In my opinion, the key result in that poll report is: "those surveyed favoured the Conservatives over the Liberals by 45 per cent to 26 per cent", which gives Ve = 13.49, or about 200 seats.

But according to Mike Duffy, there is NO WAY that the Liberals can afford to go to an election until their next allowance payment from the People of Canada. And I believe that doesn't happen until May or June.

In the interim, watch for the MSM & Liberals to launch Mission Destroy Harper!

By the way, have any of you every realized that the "Liberal Party Of Toronto" spells LPOT ? I think it's a perfect acronym for them for several reasons.

Wow, best thing that could happen for Canada in our situation.

Now, Harper can truely run the country as a pseudo-majority. I'd prefer if he worked things out with Ignatieff. Dion was way too partisan.

Montreal Simon: "As I said yesterday I believe that the only reason the Coalition has done badly in the polls is because it hasn't been sold properly."

Funny, they said the same thing about the Green Shift.

"But if we want to change all that we'd better start soon. Canadians can't support something when they don't know what it looks like. Or what it has to offer. And the baby is DYING.

I still think if English Canadians can be shown how beautiful it is, and how it can provide the stable government we need at a time of crisis, they would choose it over the evil Con government of Stephen Harper. The tyrant who has raped our country, and shutdown our Parliament." - Montreal Simon

***Seriously, these lefties need a grip on reality. When you start describing a non-entity like a coalition as a "baby" and "beautiful" and the PM as a "tyrant who has raped our country" one has to ask themselves, 'are these guys for real?'

I think Harper should include the public financing cuts in the budget. He's got the $3.3 billion stimulus so there's not really a good reason why the liberals can vote it down. They'll get there compromise and a shot in the foot at the same time :) muhaha

We [our elected representatives] should not allow a mealy-mouthed response to this “constitutional crisis”. Face it head on. Give us an election. Allow the “coalition” to establish their platform, and then take it to the voters.

The Stunning Idiocy Award in all of this goes to Layton.

All he has accomplished is to polarize public opinion around an issue that only has two sides to it, which sooner or later will be settled in an election by voting Liberal or Conservative.

People will not vote for another coalition, period.

As the polls results consistently have shown, support for the NDP has tanked back to their base support...which is worth about a dozen seats.

Atta boy, Laydown! You da man!

Montreal Simon made my eyes hurt. And my brain, too.

That blogger, 'Montreal Simon' is one sick puppy. Anyone who can seriously type stuff like this might want to up their medication dose, or take up meditation or yoga or something:

'And WTF is happening to the rest of the country? Does it really hate Quebec....or Gilles Duceppe... THAT much?'

'the evil Con government of Stephen Harper. The tyrant who has raped our country, and shutdown our Parliament.'

To expand on my previous post, Montreal Simon refers to the democratically chosen leader of the Canadian political party that democratically won the most seats in the last election as 'the tyrant who has raped our country'. And these kinds of people want Harper to be more cooperative and accomodating? They wnder why Harper plays hardball?

Kate...I an NOT taking the news rather hard. It's just a little gloomy out here. Are you telling me it's sunny in Saskatchewan? Or that you wouldn't jump on a plane to Tahiti if you could? Or that that Stephen Harper's days aren't numbered? C'mon I don't believe you...

As for you Dean...REALLY.How could you say my blog hurts your eyes AND your brain. Get a pair of glasses and bigger brain eh? :)

Heh heh heh...

He who gloats last gloats better...

Dion's last desperate gasp for a power grab failed miserably and the Liberal Party is going to pay the price for it for a while to come - the electorate is now aware of the party's duplicity in the "coup" and they don't like it, and they now do not trust the Liberals as much as they once did. Trying to get into bed with the separatists and the NDP (a party that regularly gets only 15% of the vote) and giving them power does not sit well with Canadians and it has exposed the Liberals power-hungry ways.

Also, despite the msm spin on it all the polling shows more support for the anti-coalition...could an added bonus to all this be that people are at least beginning to see through some of the msm spin?

It appears that Harper will have to get a million percent of the vote to be recognized by the MSM and the no-hopers as being the officially-recognized Prime Minister of Canada.

"It's just not right! It's not supposed to be this way! Someone stole it from us! It's not fair! Let's gang up on the winner! Where's my money! We demand justice! Harper sucks! We're so lame and unprincipled that we cannot gracefully accept the fact that we lost! Voters are stupid and cannot be trusted!

Behind all this is the disappointment that there is not now a left-leaning government in synch with the US.

Simon,

The colours on your site are horrific from a design perspective - I can easily understand how someone would call it painful to look at.

And as for Harper's days being numbered, well...if the "Coalition" keeps it up the only numbered days for Harper are the minority ones as he'll probably get a majority if we get another election.

He who gloats fails due to hubris.

"He who gloats last gloats better..."

Let us all remember this pathetic line and repeat it to the poor baby, a multitude of times, after the next election.

I'm not the least bit surprised that Iggy didn't give the Libs a bounce in the polls. He handled the coalition situation very badly. He failed to show leadership by staying virtually silent throughout. He signed on what Dion was doing then later said it would have been a catastrophe. He's boxed himself in as far as any possibility of a coalition come January 27th. He wouldn't just be following Dion into a catastrophe at that point, but leading us there.

Those people who didn't know Iggy and were looking to form an opinion of him got precious little confirmation that he is the intellect he's claimed to be.

Phil, I like your point that Harper should "include the public financing cuts in the budget." He could insulate himself from accusations that he was springing it on the opposition by having the cut come into effect in 2010, then assume a populist stance and ask Iggy and Rae why they don't think they should share the economic pain being felt by ordinary Canadians. It would be so easy to paint the Libs and Dippers as being selfish to the point of being too lazy to get off their butts and raise their own money.

And hubris is a killer. I always find it ironic that Harper is called "arrogant" by the left. Psychological projection again.

Apparently, "arrogant" now means confident, reserved, patient, dignified, fair-minded, and not a looney.

If Harper waits until just before the per vote income for each party is due then delays payment because of the economy he will be a winner. Challenge the other parties to forgo their payments for the good of health care, education or job retraining in these tough economic times. Talk about a poison pill, any party that took a political handout under these circumstances would be toast. Shame the shameless bastards, if that's possible.

Perhaps I saw this concept here (I forget) but one idea regarding leftists is that they establish themselves as being flawed (just like everyone else) and thus deserve to lead since they represent the "real" people since they are "like them".

Out the door goes striving to excel, in-comes standing on the shoulders of mentally-challenged social levellers.

Unfortunately for lefties the flaws tend to accumulate and define the breed, not to mention polluting the rest of society.

"I think Harper should include the public financing cuts in the budget. He's got the $3.3 billion stimulus so there's not really a good reason why the liberals can vote it down. They'll get there compromise and a shot in the foot at the same time "

I agree!!

Horny Toad

Sounds pretty much like my overly dramatic 15 year-old daughter when things don't quite go her way. Not unexpected from somebody who uses halloween colours as background/text for a website.

Just another helpful hint, Simon - you want people to read your site with any regularity, change the background colour of your page to white or light yellow with black text. As an added bonus, you can put more histrionic words on the page as you can reduce the font size and weight. If you really can't lose the drama, at least use a text box in the aforementioned colours to contain your posts. Your readers will thank you for it.

Tho' something tells me you won't take the advice. Drama being more important than reason.

Remember, folks, Michael Ignatieff was not elected leader of the Liberal Party, he was selected. Not in anyone's imagination, but in point of fact. It was all done as a back-room deal.

Henceforth, let's all try to remember to speak of Iggy as "the unelected leader of the Liberal Party."

Really rub it in, whenever you get the chance!

"Selected, not elected." Bwaahahaha!

Sounds pretty much like my overly dramatic 15 year-old daughter when things don't quite go her way.

Jan, an interesting theory might be that leftists are basically, when it comes down to it, "overly dramatic 15 year-old girls".

Really, think about it: obsessed with appearance, oblivious to reality, overly concerned with what others think, playing popularity games, ignorant regarding anything outside their sphere of knowledge...

Of course, this is a stereotype and I may burn in hell for suggesting such a thing.

The difference is that most 15 year-old girls eventually grow up.

Is Simon mental?

Just curious; won't CAW financial support for the NDP in Ontario pretty much dry up if the Auto sector doesn't get a bailout? I'm assuming that a LOT of unemployed auto workers aren't going to be too thrilled about paying union dues, and especially not political contributions(?). They really only have two choices (well, three if you count staying home); vote Liberal in the hope that the gravy train comes back through town, or vote Conservative based on the reality that they'll likely have a majority and it's always nice to be on the winning team...
Hell, why would anyone throw their vote to Layton's crew? Even the media admit that's a dead horse.
In case BC news doesn't make it past Revelstoke, the BCTF is busy trying to scuttle the BC branch of the NDP's chances in the upcoming Provincial Election:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hoY4ldxZqczFMzn2E_SbcrmbqHhg

Ther common 'leftie' does not understand success.They have been raised to believe that everyone and everything is equal. When someone reaches the top of their game as PMSH has,they cannot attribute it to hard work,ability,and sacrifice. To them,anyone that has reached the top has just had to have someone evil behind the scene pulling strings,"like c'mon we are all equal,I am as smart as him". That mindset is exploited by the likes of Layton and whomever is leading the liberals at the time.They do not understand the principles of achievement,and when others rise above,they feel cheated.It is a pity.

Sorry,that was a little off-topic. The coverage today on cbc portrayed the meeting between PMSH and the'selected'( I like that) one, as Iggy going in and making 'Harpo'understand that the libs had the country behind him and Harper better smarten up. What a joke. I would guess that PMSH explained the situation as it is,and iggy will be spending a few days digesting reality before he responds.

Take this poll with a grain of salt. The Liberals haven't done any advertising of Ignatieff yet. Only once Canadians get to know him better, will these poll results will hold more value.

Has anyone noted the remarkable similarity
between Michael Ignatieff and John Kerry?

Not just the physical resemblance
but also the way they speak
and the pompously stupid things
they have to say.

Only once Canadians get to know him better, will these poll results will hold more value.

Posted by: John at December 13, 2008 3:36 AM
Conservative bowels are loosening as you speak. Run away,run away.

"Run away,run away."

Yes, that's what brave Stevie did by proroguing parliament. But he can't run away forever...though he can keep on flip floping on his policies and promises while you sycophantic whing nuts keep on singing his praises.

And you can get the polling results you want if you ask the questions the right way.

Never have I laughed so hard reading the comments on here, then Dear Simon's post and then the comments there, including some brilliant ones from you all.

Like Phil, I also burst out laughing at Simon's line, "I still think if English Canadians can be shown how beautiful [the Coalition] is ...." Indeed, the discarding of our democracy, the attempted unseating of a newly elected government in a Putsch-like manner never before attempted in Canadian history is clearly a thing of "beauty" ... if your first name happens to be Josef or Adolf or Fidel or Kim-Jong. Never before have I realized how HDS (Harper Derangement Syndrome) could twist someone's mind around to so easily discard our entire democratic tradition.

And then Jan, a social worker from the Bruce Peninsula, shows up and offers this gem of wisdom: "The family pact class hates the coalition as it puts democracy in the hands of the people rather than in the hands of backroom dealers, moneyed elite, and the power brokers."

I've never heard the term "family pact class" before but then I never took Women's Studies 101 or Sociology 666. Perhaps it means those of us who care about a healthy family unit as the basis for a strong & stable society? And yet Jan's the one who goes in to help families in trouble? God help them! I mean that literally, God help any clients of a person who thinks like that.

Her closing comments about the Coalition being free of "backroom dealers, moneyed elite, and the power brokers" is beyond naive. Clearly she knows not a thing about Power Corp. and its influence over every single gov't for 40 years up until Harper. Clearly she knows not a thing about how the upper echelons of the Liberal Party are frequently married to the elites in the MSM. Ignorance is bliss but for the likes of Jan it's the equivalent of a religious calling!

Then came a flood of SDA'ers, including this beauty: "Give it a rest you Bolsheviks." This was followed by some longer comments from MB Mike, Horny Toad, & Pat. Good attempt at edification of Simon & His Clubhouse pals but it'll all be to no avail. Jack Layton could come out in January and say, "Olivia and I have conducted an online poll of our supporters and have concluded that upon sober thought, the Coalition is not a good idea for the NDP", and Simon et al would STILL think it was a beautiful thing to behold. Oh yes, Power without the People Voting - So, So Beautiful!

Scary, scary, scary folks.

Quick Follow-up:

Being the "political social worker" that I strive to be at times, I couldn't resist but to visit Jan the Social Worker from the Bruce Peninsula. I came across this posting: http://janfromthebruce.blogspot.com/2008/12/question-for-libs-and-iggy.html

Here's the comment I left her:

Can I ask you a simple question, Jan?

Thinking ahead a few years, let's say the situation was reversed and the Liberals or the NDP had just been elected as the minority government of Canada. Imagine that out on the Prairies a Christian Heritage Party reemerged like in times past in our history.

Based on your principles to be consistent in your views, would it be correct to conclude that had the Conservatives and this Christian Heritage Party formed a Coalition that you would fully acknowledge it as the legitimate Government of Canada? Clearly you wouldn't be a supporter of theirs but you would fully support their right to govern?

Simon - I'd like to encourage you to reduce your CO2 production.

Global warming and all that stuff, y'know.

jlc

Simon - I'd like to encourage you to reduce your CO2 production.

Global warming and all that stuff, y'know.

jlc

Sorry for dp

"As for you Dean...REALLY.How could you say my blog hurts your eyes AND your brain."

Because it did.

That colour scheme made me feel like I just got back from 'Nam. I'm still seeing spots. You are doing a disservice for the four or five percent of Canadians that are supporting the Coalition and want to read your fine prose.

"As for you Dean...REALLY.How could you say my blog hurts your eyes AND your brain."

Because it did.

That colour scheme made me feel like I just got back from 'Nam. I'm still seeing spots. You are doing a disservice to the handful of people that are supporting the Coalition and deserve to read your prose.

I think we should have a vote to change your colour scheme. The second, third and fourth choices win.

does the country hate the people of quebec? only those who want to destroy the country. a vote for the bloc is a vote to destroy canada. if you vote for the bloc join the hate list and the list of traitors. simon, get some critical analysis skills.

I'm not one to gloat, but (ahem), I knew Harper would come out of this smelling like a rose.

Let's face it, simple Simon lives in Montreal , he and his little friends are licking their lips, waiting for all that extra money to flow to Montreal and the rest of Quebec, if the Bloc gets the power .

Captain CSL Iggy reporting for duty, Madame G-G.

Captain CSL Mikhailevich Iggy is a control freak, a bully, a neo-con; Tsar/Czar Iggy.
Iggy is Ad$Cam Paul Martin Jr's Frankenstein son.
...-

"Liberals' new captain tidies up the ship
New Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff told his troops there will be no freelancing; the Liberal Party will now speak with one voice and it will be his, according to an insider." (nnw)

Well.

I hope Simon doesn't play with firecrackers. When I got to the word "...HOPE..."? I had to get out of my truck having almost thrown up.

Bring an election. Let's just get it done and get back to business.

gordinkneehill: "Remember, folks, Michael Ignatieff was not elected leader of the Liberal Party, he was selected ... It was all done as a back-room deal."

And go back further.

Count Iggy was "selected" in his Lakeshore riding, too. The duly elected Liberal candidate, who had lived in the riding all his life, was rudely shoved aside, and The Iggster was parachuted in from the hallowed, ivory towers of Hahvahd, I think because he LOOKED good and had a "family pact" pedigree--his Ignatieff/Grant family was certainly part of the Canadian "moneyed [sic] elite" and were "power brokers."

Just to repeat for Jan what she obviously doesn't know: The political party of the "backroom dealers, moneyed elite, and the power brokers" is the Liberal Party of Canada: Power Corp, the Desmarais Family, Mo Strong, John Rae, France Chretien (married to Andre Desmarais), etc., etc. Jan had better do her homework if she doesn't want to look like a total fool.

She might want to begin by looking up "bagmen."

"I think Harper should include the public financing cuts in the budget"

Absolutely - and he can say it is because the previous liberal government stole the EI money and he only has a year to pay it back so he has to find the money from somewhere.

Zing....Zing - two shots in one!!

Is there footage of Ed Broadbent singing "Happy Days are Here Again" after leaving his meeting with Cretien? That's the image of the coalition that sticks in my mind. It was gruesome.

'a small sliver of doubt crept into my soul".........."a beautiful baby'.....

reads to me as though Simon is channeling Rosemary Woodhouse and Minnie Castevet.

Iggy has a pile to learn about the realities politics. He'll find it somewhat unnerving to hear about himself in print and other media outlets. He'll have to get used to hearing about stuff he may have long forgotten.

Michael Coren has a good take on him in the Ottawa Sun today:"Loyal Liberals? Coren writes Iggy told him fifteen years ago he had no interest in returning to Canada.

Isn't it precious how His Arrogance now expects the masses to soak up his professorial piffle and drivel as he goes forth to rub shoulders with the Rubes and smells the barns. He'll learn quickly he's dealing with people who know crap when they see it.

The gall of the man is astounding, it certainly exceeds his political experience.

The problem with the coalition, as Simon has pointed out, is that they have no SONGS!
How can you have a decent coup without a song for crying out loud?

May I suggest Coalition Uber Alles?

I don't know ... I usually agree with the very articulate and erudite Robert Fulford, who writes a column at the National Post. But, I'm not sure I can go along with his assessment of Count Iggy in today's paper:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/12/12/robert-fulford-ignatieff-starts-slow-but-has-promise-as-a-politician.aspx

[begin quote]
...

In this initial display [on TV] of his ability to lead, Ignatieff sounded suspiciously like a smug, old-fashioned Liberal expressing his belief in his party’s inherent right to rule.

Even so, it’s not hard to imagine Ignatieff as a successful leader. Behind that armoured personality there’s an interesting and exceptional man -- and perhaps a prime minister. True, there’s something crazy about choosing a leader who has rarely taken part in practical politics and has spent most of his adult life in Britain or the United States as a journalist, novelist and professor. Admittedly, he has seldom shown more than a cursory interest in economics, a subject that will be at the top of the agenda for a long time to come.

Nevertheless, he may well develop into what his party needs most, a politician who inspires respect and confidence. ...

He has a quality that he shares with no other federal politician or provincial premier: He’s articulate, all on his own, without speech writers. ... If Ignatieff chooses to deploy his talent he will be the most articulate Canadian public figure of his era. He may even help his fellow citizens come to a fresh understanding of Canada’s purpose.

If he can free himself from the worn clichés of the Liberals and learn to be himself in public, he may well be the leader his party needs. If that happens, Canada in the next election will have two major parties led by competent and plausible leaders. A happy thought.

[end quote]

I’m not clear that “being articulate” is what the Canadian electorate most needs at this juncture in our recently chaotic history. Mr. Fulford is right about one thing, however, that there’s something “crazy about choosing a leader who has rarely taken part in practical politics and has spent most of his adult life in Britain or the United States as a journalist, novelist and professor.” That’s a huge concern of many politically savvy Canadians—and the fact that Ignatieff has TWICE been parachuted into positions in the LPC, never elected, never chosen by the “grassroots” of the party. IS there a grassroots in the Liberal Party or is it always backroom deals to favour moneyed elites and power brokers?

If Mr. Ignatieff is ever to become a respected and effective leader of his party and a candidate that Canadians might consider for their PM, he’s going to have to pay his dues and earn his laurels. He’s going to have to roll up his sleeves, shovel manure out of the barn to air it out, and lay down fresh straw before he can ever legitimately take the reins of his party and, possibly, the country.

And that's going to take years.

The media has failed to notice a secondary impact on Liberal party funding from the economic update.

By simply by suggesting the elimination of the voter subsidy, Harper has effectively stopped the Liberals from BORROWING. They now have to convince their banker that they can WIN an election in order to use the voter subsidy as collateral.

Bankers can read polls, too.

The media has failed to notice a secondary impact on Liberal party funding from the economic update.

By simply by suggesting the elimination of the voter subsidy, Harper has effectively stopped the Liberals from BORROWING. They now have to convince their banker that they can WIN an election in order to use the voter subsidy as collateral.

Bankers can read polls, too.

The Libs can't be let off the hook. They signed onto the Coalition for Change. And changed the politics. If the Libs can't win, they will form a Coalition. So, a vote for a Lib is now a vote for the Anything-But-Harper Coalition.

I apologize for the double post. My satellite dish died.

"If he can free himself from the worn clichés of the Liberals and learn to be himself in public, he may well be the leader his party needs."

The problem there is that who Iggy is will scare of all the Torrana women liberal champagne socialists who are all that's left in the party.

Pro war, pro torture, anti welfare.

He's a Republican.

The prostitution with the Bloc is going to plague the Liberals on the next campaign. Ignatieff had a golden opportunity to paint himself as the nationalist redeemer of the LPoC and he royally blew it. All he had to do was step to a mic, publicly denounce the Coalition with the Bloc and declare some platitude about defending Canada against the separatists. He didn't, and it makes him look as much a Power Whore as Dion.

Duffy's point about the position of the Liberals to enter another federal election should be food for thought to the Harper neo-Cons as they approach January: GO cONSERVATIVE, BABY!

.........i don't think enough emphasis is being placed on Taliban Jack's involvement in the creation of this sordid 'coalition'.....

.....why this silly little man isn't being relentlessy hammered by the few 'right' thinking media types disappoints me....he should be made to explain his motivation and his thinking over and over and over again.....

Dear Simon if you think it is gloomy in Frenchieville just try hanging off the monkey board here in Alberta right now. Simon the monkey board is where we rack pipes, when drilling for oil, to make money, so we can send welfare cheques to you welffare bums in Quebec in the form of transfer payments. To the auto manufacturers in Ontario I would like to see your commodity go down like the oil and cattle industries have, never seen a GM truck go to 70,000 and then drop to 21,000 yet, oh yea that is what our products have done but we still send the welfare payments east. If you people are blind enough to think another "tenured professor" is your saviour, well dream on while we in the west continue to work for our money and yours!

Perhaps there is no "Iggy Poll Bounce" because Canadians are finally realizing that whenever the media pundits anoint a new Liberal messiah they are spectacularly wrong. John Turner and Paul Martin were built up so high and their performance so poor. Iggy may be the Liberal answer but he will have to prove it.

There is nothing in his background or performance as an MP to date that indicates to me he can be a great leader of Canada - especially as he has never lived here.

"Is Simon mental?"

Perhaps he's just "simple".

Best comment at Simon's blog:

"Anonymous said...

Give it a rest you Bolsheviks. The best thing that could happen to Canada is a majority Conservative government. The coalition is undemocratic and it is clear that the left is scared to death of an election because they know they are going to get waxed. Bring on the election!

Calling Canadians dumb or unenlightened never works as an election startegy...it doesnt work when the conservatives tried it and it won't work when the coalition tried it.

Simon, you ask the wrong question and it starts with a flawed assumption....you are assuming that there is nothing wrong with including the Bloc in a coalition. This may be true in Quebec where out of necessity you need to compartmentalize these things....however, it is when you step away from that crazy situation that you realize just how effed up it is and that if given the choice most people wouldn't live in that twilight zone world where speratists (and they are) support a national government they openly wish dissolved.

Most Canadians are not in an altered state of mind, like those who see no trouble with it. It isn't about hate (Duceppe is a nice guy, most seperatists I know are decent people) it is about what makes sense.

Andre Pratte, editor of La Presse said it best,

"Refusing to bow to all our paradoxes is not to reject Québec."

In other words, telling your spouse that her mother farts at the dinner table doesnt mean you want a divorce, or that you hate her mother....just dont invote her to dinner, especially when you are serving beans.

Canadians opposed to the coalition are just refusing to bow Quebec's paradoxes. You might try spending time outside of Quebec to better understand how ROC, the majority of Canadians, think and feel.

I don't understand Montreal Simon's conclusions.

He says that the Coalition is a 'baby'. But whose baby? It certainly wasn't created by or elected by the people. It was a backroom secret deal, created by Layton, Dion and Duceppe. It was then signed by their MPs. Without the approval of the electorate which these MPs are obliged to represent.

It set up a coalition that not only was developed without democracy but is the most vicious attack on Canadian democracy in our history. Why? Because it denies any and all democratic approval of the people.

Not one single Canadian voted for a coalition government. Not one. The rhetoric that 62% voted against Harper is nonsense, suggesting that all opposition parties, including the NDP, Liberals, Greens, Marxist-leninist, communist etc have no distinct policies in themselves, are all totally similar, and have only one idea: against Harper.

The electorate didn't vote for Liberal AND NDP AND Bloc AND..etc. They voted Liberal OR NDP Or Bloc etc. Therefore the coalition's informing us that we voted for a coalition - is pure rubbish.

Stability? Dicatorships are stable. They are undemocratic.
The Coalition was set up as immune from and isolate from the electorate. Not one Canadian voted for it. And these parties meant to keep it that way - out of the reach of the electorate. They wanted to take over the government without an election, denying the results of the most recent election. Then, they set themselves up as 'undefeatable' in the House by using the Bloc as their 'Demon'.

The Bloc, a political party out of the reach of over 80% of the electorate, was set up to be the Veto of all confidence votes. The Bloc agreed, even without reading the Motions, to support the Coalition. This is a violation of their duty to the taxpayer as an MP - to be responsible to the electorate. Instead, the Bloc chose partisanship; they would vote for political partisan purposes. Not for the content of the Motion. That, again, is a violation of their duty as MPs.

With this setup, NO MPs vote - no Liberal, NDP, Conservative vote has ANY meaning. They might as well all stay home. The only vote that counts is the Bloc vote. That is a violation of the duty of parliament.

Then, this coalition set itself up, as immune from going to the electorate for almost two years. That violates our democratic right to choose our own government - and for that government to be accountable to us, the people.

Shut down parliament? That is EXACTLY what this coalition does. The votes are all MPs except that of the Bloc are irrelevant.

Therefore, Simon and your followers, how can this be considered 'beautiful'? And please tell me, what is the data base for your conclusion that Harper has 'raped our country'? Please explain.

The MSM will easily warm to Iggy because he is so much like them. He travels in the right circles, has the proper education, well-traveled, well-connected, "nuanced" etc. Any flaws like "I understand rural issues because my uncle had a barn" are overlooked while SP's "I understand foreign policy because of its nearness to Russia and Canada" was the height of absurdity, according to the MSM. Pardons are given to those the MSM feel kinship with.

But Iggy's track record is not good:

-Flip-flops like his Israel gaffes (Coren's article) displays his manipulative behaviour.

-He signed on to both the coalition idea and greenshift without regard for economic consequences, national unity implications or public opinion. Not only was the coaltion an undemocratic power grab but both initiatives are highly Toronto-centric and anti-western. He now wants the west to "forgive and forget" long past errors by the Liberals. Forget the past...it's the present and continuing pattern of LPC anti-western behaviour that he should be apologizing for.

-He has yet to win any political position without the outcome being rigged - parachuted into a safe Liberal riding, parachuted into LPC leadership and threatening to parachute into the PMO. Not exactly acts of bravery by Sir Iggy.

I have not read any of his books or BBC interviews but his actions are not awe inspiring.

I now suspect a long-operating conspiracy to dose the Toronto and Montreal water supplies with Librano Acid Diethylamide.

The 'elected' seat count outside of Quebec is 133 Conservative,100 Bloc/NDP/Lib. The coalition throws that little niggling fact out the window and gives the power to the 'Quebec only' separatist party. Perhaps that is why simple Simon believes it is a beautiful thing.

I left the following comment on Montreal Simons site. Whether he'll publish it??

Do I hate Quebec. Not at all.
Am I tired of listening to threats of seperation after 40 years? Yes I am.
If you don't like the results from the last election work a little harder in the next one.
The weather has you down? Buddy, it's mid December, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
Canada is in far better shape than most of the world.
If you want to go, then go.
If Quebec wants to go, then go.
We'll muddle along without you.
This isn't hatred or disrespect.
It's fatigue.

The rhetoric that 62% voted against Harper is nonsense

It becomes even more nonsensical when other election results are examined.

LPC - 77 elected, 17 by majority or 22%
NDP - 37 elected, 7 by majority or 19%
BQ - 49 elected, 13 by majority or 27%

So, three parties who were more than happy to accept first past the post for their own election results don't accept the same rules for a rival, and winning, party.

If a majority is needed to be the legitimate and proper government, let's send all but the majority winners home and let the CPC have an overwhelming majority.

CPC - 143 elected, 79 by a majority or 55%.

batb: "The duly elected Liberal candidate, who had lived in the riding all his life, was rudely shoved aside,".

Mikhailevitch Iggy is a bully, a control freak, a neo-com.

Jean Augustine was cossacked by Tsar Iggy.
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"LIBERAL: IGNATIEFF CANDIDACY STRONGLY PROTESTED
Monday, November 28, 2005 at 18:33

IGNATIEFF CANDIDACY STRONGLY PROTESTED

Media Release (27 November 2005) - Toronto

After prolonged speculation about whether and where he would run, Michael Ignatieff appears to have found himself a safe haven in Etobicoke-Lakeshore.

The Executive of the Etobicoke-Lakeshore Federal Liberal Riding Association learned late on Friday, November 25, 2006 that their Member of Parliament, Jean Augustine, has resigned her seat and that Ignatieff is to be parachuted in as the sole, uncontested candidate in a surprise nomination meeting scheduled for December 1, 2005. The speed with which the nomination meeting was called and the abridgement of all timelines suggests that the Liberal Party is discouraging all other contenders.

Despite the abridgement of time, and the difficult nomination filing requirements, two candidates were in fact able to prepare and submit the required forms, including police and credit checks, as well as the required 30 signatures in support of their nominations.

The two candidates delivered their nomination documents to Liberal Party headquarters in Toronto, only to find that the office was locked before the 5:00 p.m. filing deadline. Liberal party staffers could be seen through the second storey windows but they refused to answer repeated knocking on the doors and phone calls to the office.

The two potential candidates are more than qualified to seek the nomination. Marc Shwec, a bilingual (English/French) engineer and MBA, has been active in community and volunteer work. Ron Chyczij, also an MBA, is the president of the Etobicoke-Lakeshore Riding Association and is active in many community and volunteer projects.

Mr. Ignatieff, who had ample notice of Ms. Augustines resignation likely faced no obstacles in filing his nomination papers.

The intended coronation of Mr. Ignatieff, a virulent Ukrainophobe, is offensive to the numerous Ukrainian Canadian residents of the riding, many of whom have been members of the riding association for many years and form more than one half of the membership of the riding association. To Mr. Ignatieff, Ukrainians conjour up images of embroidered peasant shirts, the nasal whine of ethnic instruments, phoney Cossacks in cloaks and boots. These views are unacceptable to all right-minded Canadians."
http://www.lufa.ca/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=5453

The politicos that think they can spin the Bloc's role in the coalition to something relatively innocuous, or as Quebec-bashing, demonstrate their disdain for the intellect of Canadians. The great unwashed are not that stupid, much to their chagrin, and there will be a backlash against those who try to sell this poppycock.

Canadians will not suffer what amounts to extortion by the Bloc, and therefore, correctly reject this coalition, and those who have tried to perpetrate it upon us.

The polls show this to be the case, and I am quite confident that an election will offer final proof.

It's time for the spinmeisters to shut up for once, and listen to us. We know that the Bloc will extort every cent it can from the rest of Confederation. We also now know that the Liberals and NDP are just fine with that. The spinmeisters might as well be trying to convince Canadians that water can flow uphill.

I don't think Iggy is going to connect. TO, UCC talks about the "sound wood of the Liberal plank and he likes the smell of manure. Yeah right, shovel a sidewalk? Rotate your tires? And PM Harper better give him what he wants..or else.
As stated he was annointed,like Mr. Martin..ah democracy the liberal way. Always right, always relevant, always Liberal, still dreaming.

"Montreal Simon" is Count Igor the "Pie Man"?? is he still wearing his parachute?? Is Jack still strutting? are Parizeau and Ducette still "very satisified"??
I want an election, and after putting the Conservatives back in with a MAJORITY I want this "traitorous trinity" ie "Coalition of CROOKS"to be tapped for the cost of the election.
Cheers Bubba

I just read an article where the reporter said he interviewed Iggy about 15 years ago and asked him if he would ever consider moving back to Canada.

Iggy's reply was "What for?????"

His favourtie vacation is holidaying at the family home Provence, France with his Hungarian born wife who was once his BBC publicist.

Oh, and he has an agent and is due to release a new book about his new found love and repsect for his "cherished" Canada in April.

Are we Canadians so shallow that we can be hoodwinked by the propaganda of a professional orator and showman YET AGAIN????

Thanks, maz2, for the link to the details about Count Mikhailevitch's parachute drop into the Etobicoke-Lakeshore riding in 2005.

Iggy's a parasitic cuckoo--always marauding other birds' nests.

As lookout puts it: Iggy's a parasitic coup coup.

Speedy: And PM Harper better give him what he wants..or else.

Agree. Iggy could have opted to give a big, soft, Obamaian speech for his kick-off about how Canada is a great country and how we have to come together etc. and turn over a new leaf. The MSM and a lot of voters would have lapped it up.

Instead he delivered a hard edged and abrasive rant about how he was going to take Harper down. One would think he was planning to meet Harper in a ring and not the HoC.

Lost opportunity and a poor start added to the blunder of signing on to the separatist coalition. Now reflected in the polls.

Simon: **He who gloats last gloats better...**

I guess after the election in March 09, all those Conservative sheep will turn to gloats.

Groan.

Let's all donate $1.95 to Simon's baby for the season and put it in a brown bag under the holiday tree.

Professor Lipstick! Very good one, Kate!

"Simon says" (isn't that a game?) that the coalition is a beautiful thing. Wow. That's like saying pig sh** is beautiful.

I don't think it matters one good god dammed what Iggy ignoramus has going against him, the public will never hear a thing. The MSM will hold him up as the new and shining savior with nary a flaw.

In their disgusting, pathetic and biased attempt at balanced journalism they have set themselves up as no better than and siding with the untruthful back pocket propaganda ministries of the past. In to days world I guess it passes as third world Mugabe journalism.

My contact with the media over the years has led me to the same conclusion about them as, help me out here, I think it was George Jonas’s description of them, and to use my own words, gutter types lacking in the moral principles and ethics of the average person. The MSM and the liberal left display a loving and incestuous relationship that only someone with no sense of smell could tolerate.

You can put Liggystick on the Liberal Party, but it's still the Liberal Party.

On Simon's blog, there's a comment that the opposition parties 'put aside their differences' to form the coalition. Now wait -

We were told by this same coalition that there were NO differences between them to set aside. We were told that our vote for these parties was for one issue only - a vote against Harper. That's what they told us.

Then, we are told that this coalition is 'democratic' despite its being formed by a backroom agreement, an agreement signed without the will of the electorate. Not one member of the Canadian electorate voted for a coalition. Not one. Yet these backroom individuals signed an agreement to demand that they take over parliament as a coalition, overturning the October election.

And they set up their coalition to be immune to an election, by setting up the Bloc, a party isolated from over 80% of the electorate, as the sole Vetting Agent over all House Motions. All confidence votes, ie, financial Motions, were, by signed agreement, already approved by the Bloc.

This not only violates their duty as MPs to vote on Motions not partisanship. But, it means that this coalition was setting up a government that was based on: Taxation Without Representation.

This is an outrageous violation of democracy.

It is a red herring to state that our outrage and rejection of the coalition is 'anti-Quebec'. Our reaction is against the sabotaging of democracy. And this outrage would be valid whether the Vetting Party was the Bloc - or one based in Nova Scotia or one based in the Yukon or one based in BC.

The point is - to set up a regional party, that is out of the electoral reach of over 80% of Canadians, as the effective governance over all Canadians, is a profoundly undemocratic situation.

How would Quebecers feel if their vote, via the Bloc or any party, didn't count - and if the only party that counted was one Party, confined to the voters of BC? How would Quebecers feel?

Simon and his follower's naive and ignorant view of this coalition, their acceptance of its anti-democratic structure - is astonishing.

The severely normal Canadian has spoken.

We're tired of the BS (Bolshevik Stuff) that so clearly coming from the coalition.

Canadian voters will have a long memory on this particular incident, where Comrade Jack tried to install sockpuppet Dion as Prime Minister of Canada when Comrade Dion was rejected by his own party just seven weeks earlier.

The coalition of losers is done.

Now, the credibility of the MSM has taken yet another body blow.

Can hardly wait for the idiot opposition to trigger an election.

Another Iggy-ism I read somewhere: He should call his next book "The Accidental Canadian" since his being Canadian was simply an accident of where he was born.

He quickly rectified this by leaving this mundanme plebian country in his youth and instead claimed to all who he deemed worthy of his comments that he was truly "cosmopolitan" - a "citizen of the world" roaming from country to country - sevant to none.

Nice for someone with Daddy AND Mummy's money to fund the world traveller playboy's exploits so he could be free to "pontificate" to the masses.

No mention of the Ipsos Reid poll on National News Watch. But, they mention the Star Poll. Wonder why? All Liberal all the time. Pretty soon the only reading I'll be doing is the blogs.

These self-appointed "progressives" just don't get it. By not immediately killing the coaliton idea, Ignatieff not only showed himself to be an indecisive leader (if necessary, but not necessarily, is just plain BS), and will now be tarred with a socialist brush, with his Bloc and NDP allies.

Ignatieff lacks the political savvy to understand there is no way GG will give coalition power, if he is stupid (and he seems to be) enough to defeat the government in January, he will get smoked in an election (that he will actually have to win, not be appointed or parachuted in).

Ignatieff will have to present a party platform, and he has no legislative record whatsoever. He has simply not paid his dues, and frankly is unknown to most Canadians.

I notice Angus Reid poll is much better for him than Compass. But, that is before he has made a single pronouncement, or made a single decision, about anything. His "I will take Harper down" sounds very much Stockwell Day's "a new sheriff is in town.. oh, look at my seadoo." That went over well. He seems to me a cartoonish character. Wait until the CPC goes to work on this guy; and Simon et al, spare us your infantile "bully raping Canada" BS.

The truth of the matter is that Harper is, in Warren Kinsella's words, an "everyman," that Canadians want. They don't want some elitist wannabe, a "progressive" who represent some of the most prejudiced and intolerant people you ever want to meet.

Progressive talk about saving Canada, or being at someone's kitchen table, being for the little guy, is simply hypocritical nonsense. Nothing could be further from the truth, these people are cloistered elitists, living in their ivory towers of privilege, totally out of touch with Canadians, lecturing us as if we're getting ready to write one of their mid term exams.

Think about it, Ignatieff is presently on a honeymoon (definition-where you're unaccountable because, well, you haven't done anything). His baptism of fire awaits.

So, Simon and others, spare us your bigotted comments about Harper and the CPC; get over it. He beat you, he did it with hard work and reaching out to Canadians, earning their trust. That's why you hate him, and nobody's afraid of your "beautiful" coalition. It died last Thursday when the GG asked PM Harper, "would you like sugar with your tea?"

Oh, and another thing, spare us your GG "set bad precedent" by granting prorogue. HUH?? She made the exact same decision as every other time, but she set a precedent; no, she upheld precedent. When I hear an "expert" say that, I know they're a party hack.

See you weasels out on the hustings; good luck with your platform; good luck raising money, with the lords asking the peasants for money. They should make a political master card commercial about these clowns:

Liberals bribing themselves with stolen taxpayer dollars - $40 billion

The peasants paying the lord to, well, lord over them, $1.95

Seizing power, without bothering with an election (also known as the third part of the "Ignatieff hat trick") - priceless

BTW, season's greetings to Jack Layton - Conservatives are eternally grateful to you - in one fell swoop you managed three seemingly unattainable things - a CPC majority next election, NDP voters actually changing to CPC, and the CPC as the second choice of voters.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

simon out west calling on Simon in Montreal:

Unfortunate for me that we share the same name.
Fortunately we DON'T share the same thoughts.
So for the sake of clarity may I suggest that you include 'Suck's' in your moniker so as not to confuse folks that might miss the subtle fact that I sign my name with a lower case "s".

Yes calling yourself Simon Sucks is the logical choice as from your comments one can easily see that in fact YOU DO SUCK!!
cheers

"New Liberal Leader Micheal Ignatieff told his troops there will be no freelancing; the Liberal Party will now speak with one voice and it will be HIS" (emphasis mine, on 'his')
WELL WELL WELL
How's the MSM gonna get around this little beauty...and I thought PMSH was the dictatorial one!!
Oh right...they'll just conveniently ignore it,cause after all he's a Lib on a mission.

I have a strong hunch that when Iggy and Harper had their 1/2 hour meeting yesterday Harper read him the riot act about causing political instability in our country which is spooking investors during these tough times.

I also have no doubt he would have "shared" the truth that no Governer General of any political stripe would ask a coalition which included separtists controlling the agenda for our country to take over and that there is a clause that the opposition has to have REASONABLE arguments for their non-confidence.

Mean old Harper was going to take away our welfare does not qualify as reasonable.

Neither does "We are not going to participate in helping the government with the budget because he might steal our good ideas (Liberals)
or
I don't care what is in the budget - if there are good ideas we will steal those ideas and vote him out anyways (Layton)

or
No matter what is in the budget it will NEVER be enough for Quebec who must get MORE MORE MORE so we will vote him out (Duceppe).

No reasonable argument for non-confidence except for raw hatred for all things conservatives.

Or, as Bob Rae said "I hate Conservatives. Oh, I'll golf with them or have breakfast with them but I sure as h ell don't want them running MY country".

Perhaps the Human Rights Commision should get involved here - blatant public hate mongering and demonizing of a specified group.

Montreal Simon Round Two

Do you really believe that people who speak out against the coalition are sheep? Really? If that was true, it would be "We have to trust our betters to know what's best for us." as I saw a commenter post on another site. Sheep go where they are herded. They don't stand up to the collie. Ever.
Is Harper divisive? If by divisive you mean he makes decisions and leads then I guess he is.
Concensus usually means doing what the guy that finished third wants. Thats not leadership. If the guy that finished third was that great he wouldn't be third would he?
As for divisive, you need to read some history my friend. The National Energy Program was and still is divisive. The gun registry was designed to divide rural from city. Equalization is divisive. No offense, but progressive usually equals forcing someone else to pay for something you want and they don't.
Have you looked at the cost of living and unemployment in Germany? They have huge problems they can't fix because they have to prop up that coalition. That's the dog being wagged by the party that finished eighth or twelfth. Ontario and B.C. looked at proportional representation and rejected it because it would lead to just such a mess.
As for Cuba. Canadians love Cuba because there are no Americans there. Most are smart enough to know it's a dirt poor third world dicatorship that is nice to visit but not so nice to be forced to live in. And I do mean forced. You don't emigrate from there, you escape.

What? Count Iggula will allow no freelancing from his Liberal foot soldiers after they treated him to a coronation? That's really showing confidence and appreciation eh?

Any bets this will pose a major problem for the windbags like Jennings, Brison, McCallum, Fry and Holland?

My brain tends to work laterally much of the time, which often brings in seemingly unrelated thoughts which later prove to not always be so unrelated.

With that in mind . . .

I got to thinking about who precisely is telling us that Michael Ignatieff is "extremely brilliant". I even heard one person say that "he's the 7th Smartest Person in the World". Really? Is there any scientific evidence to back up such claims?

I distinctly remembered that glamour gal Jessica Simpson bragged about having an IQ of 151: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/294929/jessica_simpson_shocker_iq151.html

Do we have any evidence to support her claim? No. So why do people think this is true? Because her & her PR minions keep on repeating it over & over & over again.

Such is the playbook of the Left.

Weren't we told before that Stephane Dion was a really smart guy? And before that we were told that Paul Martin was a "financial genius". No facts were ever offered to support these claims and both men turned out to be disastrous leaders.

Don't buy into the Ignatieff claims without questioning them. Listen to him, listen to him fairly, but listen to him. Let him prove himself first before any adoration should be attached to him.

Back on Simon's blog . . .

A commenter named Ted, who I assume is a SDA regular, posted this parody of Simon's thoughts:

"Hi, I'm liberal and I'll talk down to you for disliking people. For example, if you do not like Quebec, you are a horrible person. In fact, even if you DO like Quebec, I'll still assume you do not and call you a horrible person. Also, if you do not agree with my politics I'll call you a sheep and say you don't like Quebec and...you guessed it, call you a horrible person. You may wonder why I'm calling you sheep, well, haha, good question my knuckle-dragging right-wing friend, it's obviously because you are not smart enough to think for yourself. The only reason you would ever disagree with me is if you were brainwashed by the Conservative party - as opposed to brainwashed by the CBC...er, Liberal Party, I meant Liberal Party. Hi, I'm liberal and everything I think is the correct and ONLY way to think. You can call me Simon."

Yes, I'm going to say it; I'm going to compare the framework of the Coalition to the Third Reich's famous 'Enabling Law' of 1933.

This was a law that permitted the government to pass budgets and laws..for several years..without parliamentary approval.
But, but, the Coalition will say - We don't have that; our budgets will be put to the parliament for approval! But wait...Think.

The Coalition's framework renders parliament null and void; MP votes don't matter. The CPC MP number of 143 versus the NDP-Liberal vote of 114 suggests that the Vote DOES matter; the CPC could reject the Coalition budget.
Nope.
The framework includes a signed agreement from the Bloc, a party out of reach of the Canadian electorate, to SUPPORT these budgets. Without even reading them.

The rest of the MPs of parliament might as well stay home; their votes are irrelevant. The framework is set up so that parliamentary approval is ..irrelevant.

Just like the German 1933 'Enabling Law'.

I'm all for leftists like Simon and their unhinged fear mongering. People know that no matter what, Harper isn't that bad.

Also, note the elitism. I've been seeing quite a bit of that from the left-osphere since this began. We don't know what's good for us, and so forth.

You nailed it Robert W. The Liberano supporters are squirming because deep down they know that this troika of traitors would bring nothing but bad times for them! Quebecers know that they will be thrown off the Liberano gravy train if their protest vote is of no value to a Liberano leader. If the bloc has veto power in the Canadian government Duceppe is the de facto dictator of Canada. Dictators love power and do not 'bow' to the demands of mere minions who voted them in expecting to share the 'spoils'!

In this country, at this time in history, Canada (including Quebec, at this moment in time) has only the Prime Minister, Hon Stephen Harper who respects and recognizes the citizens of Canada as the real power brokers in Canada.

The troika of traitors and the msm are terrified and cowering in their 'coop' - a toxic, closed, evil smelling coop - I am a country kid, I know what a closed bird (chicken or Puffin!) coop smells like - if the fowl poke their beaks out the fresh air will make them feel giddy and maybe even prompt them to go outside - but outside is a dangerous place for stupid fowl who have no skills to protect themselves from enemies. Cooped fowl almost always have clipped wings, after a few generations they are too fat and domesticated to fly or survive outside a fowl coop.

The Troika and the msm see our Prime Minister and Conservatives as the collie who is given the job of protecting foolish birds from all predictors.

At our place, in the beautiful Cypress Hills, we had an honorable collie; he had a healthy contempt for all chickens - he looked after them but he loved to chase them when they ventured outside the coop - he enjoyed watching the feathers fly and the squawking - he never allowed them near his food dish. Our collie would have never given a second thought about who to protect - our family, his pack (the citizens of Canada, in the case of our Prime Minister) or the chickens (the troika traitors/puffins and msm), protecting the chickens was just a job he volunteered to do for my family, he would have abandoned them for us without a second thought. I think that the troika of traitors and the msm know this and I think that the citizens of Canada are finally waking up to the fact that this Prime Minister, Hon Stephen Harper, is on the same team as the citizens of Canada. He is a citizen who identifies with us.

God Bless Canada and God Bless our Prime Minister, Stephen Harper. We are so fortunate to have him volunteer to serve as our protector of all things that matter to us - and him.

Radio host Roy Green has actually read the coalition agreement, and challenged John McCallum. Right at beginning of document it makes reference to "Canada and Quebec." Hmm, shouldn't that just be Canada or Canada and, and, and, so on?

When McCallum was asked about this, that Ignatieff signed this document, his lame response was, well he signed it but he didn't actually read it (or understand it, or even mean it?).

So, a document that will drive the takeover of government without election, is signed by present Liberal leader and he didn't bother to read it, but went ahead and signed it anyway (BTW, he was NOT last signature).

These elitists really take us for idiots. They shouldn't use the stupidity of the MSM to make that assumption - very dangerous indeed.

This is unbelievable. Anybody who thinks Bloc didn't extract unannounced concessions should shake their head and ask themselves, if this is so (notwithstanding obvious insult to intelligence), why does document reference "Canada and Quebec?"

Perhaps we now know the real reason for outrage over Harper Senate appointments. Is there (not so) secret agenda to hand over Senate seats to NDP, Bloc and perhaps Elizabeth May?

Mr Ignatieff, disavow this coaliton now or you shall suffer the wrath of the Canadian voter; or don't bitch and complain when we wrap your party up neatly with the socialists and separatists.

You nailed it E.T. The Coalition gave Hitler and his cronys the ability to take over the Richestag. It was too late once they made their backroom deal. I have posted this elswhere and people were offended I did not bother to explain my point because they just did not get it. If you do not learn from history you are doomed to repeat it if you are interested google Hitler and coalition. It is one of the ironys of this situation that our Prime Minister is called "Hitler" and funniest of all"washed up Jack" calls him "undemocratic" WTF?
This is going to be interesting folks Count Arrogant the "parachuting prince" has yet to stand up and actually be elected as leader of anything, let alone the Liberano party yet the CBC toadies are all over his blustery show. The shame of it all whose creature is this?? Does it run back once again to Power Corp?
Cheers Bubba

Jema 54: I loved your last line so much, I copied it. My sediments too! 100% When I meet someone new, I usually take note of their eyes. They tell you lots about a person. Rarely, do you ever see Iggy's eyes open, but when you do get a glance, they look like they are lacking a soul.(IMMO)
God Bless Canada and God Bless our Prime Minister, Stephen Harper. We are so fortunate to have him volunteer to serve as our protector of all things that matter to us - and him.

Don't you think if Iggy was Conservative (horrors) the media would have already called him on many of his half truths; over the top verbatims and now his "tyranny" over the caucus that nobody but HE should speak for the party.

It is like being a woman in business:
A woman is "stubborn" and pig headed whereas a man is "decisive"
A woman is a b itch whereas a man is showing leadership
There is a whole list of such double standard comcparisons that now work for Liberal/Conservative Harper/Iggy don't you think?

I third your blessing on our Prime Minister, Jema 54. And God bless his family, who stands by him and supports him.

Feedback from the "rednecked, knuckle-draggers" via the MSM.
The liberal-left bias oozes through.
Final poll results for this riding: "Final election results for the riding as a whole had Gallant [Conservative] far out in front with 28,908 votes to 9,737 for Devine [Liberal]."
This riding is home to Camp Petawawa and AECL.
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"Liberal grip on Deep River slipping"*

"MP stirs the pot with "hateful" comments, opposition says"**

*http://www.magma.ca/~drcanrt/libgripslip.htm
**http://www.magma.ca/~drcanrt/gallantcoaldebate.htm

Rather than preparing his minions for the next election slaughter, Iggy would do well to find those individuals who can cause money to rain down on his party from grass roots members.

A concerted effort must happen to make the GG know that Canadians want an ELECTION to happen rather than a coalition forming the government should the Harper government fall. We must send e-mails and letters to Rideau Hall regularly and by that I mean REGULARLY AS IN TWO OR THREE TIMES A WEEK until after the budget is introduced.

We cannot allow Iggy and the Stooges to take over.

Nice!
"He(the un-Eelected Liberal Leader Ignatieff) has a quality that he shares with no other federal politician or provincial premier: He’s articulate, all on his own, without speech writers....

No doubt. No doubt.
Ignatieff the un-Elected Liebralfurher-Third signer of Liberal Caucus for the Bloc Coalition-(nod in Simon's direction), will articulate the socialist agenda in palatable mummerings.
(who expects less of the Worlds 7th intellect.)

I have to ask why did Bob Rae give over the leadership run so easily. He has the backing of the 'power corp' and I think that there must a longer range plan.

Excellent post 'shamrock, ET, jema54 and Robert W'

(who expects less of the Worlds 7th intellect.)

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after the "I'm a decissional type of guy" by iggy, I would have to then conclude the kretien with his "da proof is da proof" must be the world's 6th intellect:-)))))

Canadians are better fighters than you think Simon, we have been fighting your kind for a very long time.

Roy Green brought something to the attention of Canada today which I had not heard about before. I documented it here: http://pelalusa.blogspot.com/2008/12/liberals-ndp-supporting-separation-of.html

Shamrock, my apologies, I didn't see that you already alluded to Roy Green's "find" in Coalition Policy document.

Question: Why isn't the MSM all over this????

Real Canadians don't like Gilles. Why would anyone think real Canadians would?
I wanted to think the post was a farce but then I read the comments there...

Uncle Iggy says: I WANT YOU CANADA ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v714/stevekog/UncleIggy.jpg

This is my first look at this blogg, it may be my last.

This is probably my first and last look at this blogg. It's incredible, i had no idea a group of fellow Canadians could spew so much bile and vitriol in one place.

You are so right,kc.When you come back to see if anyone slags you,maybe you can point out what upsets you.

More than ever I'm convinced that the MSM has pushed this idea of Harper being a monster to stir the pot...in hopes of course, that the almighty Liberals will rise to power once more. No doubt Mr. Harper avoids the media and doesn't include them in "everything" because they only pick and choose what they feel is important and that seems to always be something negative. Sadly, I think it has more to do with a PM from the West than it does anything else. Ontario and these elitist politicians, can't stand the thought of a Western Prime Minister. It's not the first time they've pushed a western PM out.

So now, god forbid, the Libs have "choosen" a new leader as though he's the Messiah...and strangely enough, I believe Mr. Ignatieff believes it as well. What I'd like to know is what his real goals as possible PM are? After all, he's only been in politics in this country since 2006...previous to this he had basically washed his hands of Canada, and now suddenly, he feels he can scare our PM...which in fact, I don't believe he can. Tell me how the MSM can avoid pointing out his history and faults, and there are many of them.

It's all become so corrupt that it literally makes me sick to my stomach. The coalition, the hate....I think our politicians forget that they are here to represent us...the people of Canada. I don't think that it matter what our PM does or doesn't do anymore....the opposition parties are determined to see Harper gone.... Thank goodness the majority of Canadians are starting to see through this evil plot!

If I may be so bold as to just jump to the sub-text of the accusations that this is so-called "proof" of Quebec haters in the ROC.

See, we don't hate Quebec, nor is there any hate directed toward separatists....we just don't want our country to be destroyed. But more to the point, we in the ROC (the folks that don't inhabit the rarified air of political Ottawa) know that the talk of Quebec separation, is just a ruse.
Even if given the chance, you wouldn't take it.
Why you may ask?
Simple dollars and cents.
All it is is blackmail.

A coalition gets in, be prepared to have your bluff called.

BTW

Iggy isn't going to improve the fortunes of the LPC by threatening to bring down the Harper government. If he votes down the budget, he will be faced with an election or he will be PM for an afternoon when the Bloc makes a demand that will force the liberal party to make some tough decisions that would give Harper enough MPs to get that majority.
Iggy's no messiah, he's a Toronto blue-blood that has never had to work for a living and only see's Canada as a social experiment.

Wow, KC, I think the prog and Lib blogs own the patent on bile and vitriol. I think you misspoke.

I'm surprised that the new (and quite impolite) person at SDA is having a problem with the apparent "spew[ing of] so much bile and vitriol in one place". (This is asserted, not explained.)

Being a lefty, isn't vitriol and bile all (s)he’s likely to hear at the blogs (s)he usually frequents?

If what this whiner says about SDA is true—which I very much doubt—this lefty should actually feel right at home!