Gee, all that and still December to go! India is showing an amazing amount of restraint. I know that both Pakistan and India have nukes but Pakistan has to know that India has superior fire-power. They really should stop poking India in the eye with a stick, ya know?
Posted by: a different bob at December 8, 2008 7:33 PM
India is a natural ally in the war against Islamic monsters. It's too bad the West doesn't do more to cooperate with them. No doubt they're afraid of treading on the toes of Pakistan.
Ok. I'll take up the offer.
The first thing to understand is that it is not about poverty, oppression, or grievances based on western imperialism:
"These data should remind us that there is just one historically relevant meaning of jihad despite contemporary apologetics. Jahada, the root of the word Jihad, appears 40 times in the Koran—under a variety of grammatical forms. With 4 exceptions, all the other 36 usages (in specific Koranic verses) are variations of the third form of the verb, i.e. Jahida. Jahida in the Koran and in subsequent Islamic understanding to both Muslim luminaries—from the greatest jurists and scholars of classical Islam (including Abu Yusuf, Averroes, Ibn Khaldun, and Al Ghazzali), to ordinary people—meant and means “he fought, warred or waged war against unbelievers and the like”, as described by the seminal Arabic lexicographer E.W Lane. Indeed, Lane’s, An Arabic English Lexicon (6 volumes, London, 1865) is still used to this day by Muslim and non-Muslim scholars for definitive Arabic to English translation. Thus Lane, who studied both the etymology and usage of the term jihad, observed, “Jihad came to be used by the Muslims to signify wag[ing] war, against unbelievers.” – Dr. Andrew Bostom
Second. This has been going on for a very long time. So long, that some forget. Like the writers of modern day historical fiction:
"Despite the brutal Islamization of India—dating back to the initial 8th century Arab Muslim jihad ravages, and the subsequent more extensive campaigns under the Ghaznavids, through the Delhi Sultanate period (1000-1525 C.E.) during which an estimated 70-80 million Hindus were slaughtered—due to India’s bowdlerized educational system, and public discourse on Islam, many modern Hindus remain ignorant of both this history, and the Koranic injunctions which inspired the brutal waves of jihad conquest and Muslim colonization of India." - Dr. Andrew Bostom
http://www.americanthinker.com/andrew_g_bostom/
Third. It's not just the people that get brutally removed from the earth. It's everything they did and accomplished:
Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Fourth. Because the root wasn't rooted out, it's growing again:
(The following excerpts from 'The Art of War on Terror: Triumphing over Political Islam and the Axis of Jihad,' By Moorthy Muthuswamy)
"The roots of this jihad on the Indian sub-continent began in 1947, when the British departed South Asia and granted independence to the sovereign states of India and Pakistan. India chose to establish a secular democracy and a legal system based on English Common and Statutory Law. Pakistan, however, was founded under the leadership of the Muslim League, later renamed the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, and based its governance on Islamic law. At the time, the Hindu minority in West Pakistan constituted 29% of the new nation's population and 23% of the population of West Pakistan. But, by the start of the India-Pakistan War of 1971, some 2.5 million Hindu citizens of Pakistan had been massacred. Soon thereafter, when East Pakistan was established as the People's Republic of Bangladesh, 10 million Hindu refugees fled to India."
"In the summary of a 1971 report to a U.S. Senate judiciary committee investigating the problem of refugees and settlement in South Asia, U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy wrote of the situation:
"Field reports to the U.S. Government, countless eye-witness journalistic accounts, reports of International agencies such as World Bank and additional information available to the subcommittee document the reign of terror which grips East Bengal (East Pakistan). Hardest hit have been members of the Hindu community who have been robbed of their lands and shops, systematically slaughtered, and in some places, painted with yellow patches marked ‘H.' All of this has been officially sanctioned, ordered and implemented under martial law from Islamabad."
"On April 23, 1977, Bangladesh amended its constitution, renounced secularism and dedicated itself to Islamic solidarity. In 1988, Islam became the state religion and sharia the law of the land. Meanwhile, an insurgency by Muslims of almost 20 years duration in the Indian Kashmir Valley is part of an ongoing attempt to Islamicize the region and expand Pakistan by incorporating the valley. Toward that end, Muslims have expelled 350,000 Kashmiri Hindus and have murdered, raped and kidnapped them.
Fifth. The rest of the world best beware. This is how they do it:
"Muslim conquest is scripturally driven and Islam's frontiers have been extended by gradually overtaking the land of non-believers and ethnically cleansing their territory. Unbeliever genocide has gradually swept through Pakistan, Bangladesh and parts of India. Muslim population growth is 1.5 times that of non-Muslims and physical threats and political correctness conspire to further the Muslim takeover."
Sixth. What to do? Ask a Holocaust survivor:
"In a final "Policy Response" section of his book, Muthuswamy suggests a multi-pronged plan of action for America. He advocates the potential weakening of political Islam through the discrediting of its theological foundation and manufactured Muslim grievances. He recommends a change in focus away from individual terrorist groups and the axis of evil to the axis of jihad, even to the point of formally charging Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran with crimes against humanity. Muthuswamy further contends that the strengthening of India, as well as a coalition between India and Israel, could act as a counterforce to political Islam and the axis of jihad. Recognizing the physical threat of the global jihad, he acknowledges the necessity of developing a comprehensive allied nuclear retaliatory strategy to fight jihadist nations.
Seventh. Is there hope? Maybe. If they put aside not only their grievances, but their prophet:
"Muslims in India Put Aside Grievances to Repudiate Terrorism,"
(Robert F. Worth, New York Times, December 8)
MUMBAI, India — Throngs of Indian Muslims, ranging from Bollywood actors to skullcap-wearing seminary students, marched through the heart of Mumbai and several other cities on Sunday, holding up banners proclaiming their condemnation of terrorism and loyalty to the Indian state.
The protests, though relatively small, were the latest in a series of striking public gestures by Muslims — who have often come under suspicion after past attacks — to defensively dissociate their own grievances as a minority here from any sort of sympathy for terrorism or radical politics in the wake of the deadly assault here that ended Nov. 29.
Muslim leaders have refused to allow the bodies of the nine militants killed in the attacks to be buried in Islamic cemeteries, saying the men were not true Muslims. They also suspended the annual Dec. 6 commemoration of a 1992 riot in which Hindus destroyed a mosque, in an effort to avert communal tension. Muslim religious scholars and public figures have issued strongly worded condemnations of the attacks.
So far, their approach appears to have worked: the response has been remarkably unified, with little of the suspicion and fear that followed some previous attacks. [...]
“It’s a pity we have to prove ourselves as Indians,” said Mohammed Siddique, a young accountant who was marching in the protest here on Sunday afternoon with his wife and mother. “But the fact is, we need to speak louder than others, to make clear that those people do not speak for our religion — and that we are not Pakistanis.”
India with nukes now. Islamists may find they have no Holy cities left.
How many less Muslims would care?
Once upon a time there was the Partition.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India
17 million people were moved either to India or to Pakistan, the whole purpose of the exercise being to give Indian Muslims their own nation because they didn't want to share with the Hindus. Or the Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, etc.
Since 1947, despite the very best efforts of Mr. Gandhi and his assorted offspring, India has done extremely well, and is poised to break out into real affluence and world importance.
Pakistan, not so much.
Posted by: The Phantom at December 8, 2008 8:36 PM"Pakistan, not so much"
Genetically, they are the same people. However, a company owned by India's richest man has a market capitalization larger than Pakistan's entire GDP.
What ever could be the difference?
Posted by: irwin daisy at December 8, 2008 9:39 PMA lot is being said about India being an ally against Pakistan. However, we seem to forget that in terms of military might and population they're also a very good counter-balance to the Chinese. I'd like to have a democratic country who has English-style jurisprudence, a history of fighting for the Commonwealth against tyrants and over 900M people on my side.
favill
Posted by: favill at December 9, 2008 8:29 AMGood point favill. The differences between the countries are stark. India has its militants but Pakistan not only has militants but militants in a government that is corrupt from within. India is a democracy and wants to co-exist in peace with other nations. Pakistan has that culture of "death to the infidels" working against it.
Its hard to make headway as a peaceful and prosperous nation when your energies are focused on power and keeping your people down.
Posted by: a different bob at December 9, 2008 8:40 AMI'd say that India is very racist, as it seems they are unfairly targeting one specific group. Perhaps just to make them look bad.
Posted by: grok at December 9, 2008 9:59 AMI think you'd need to go back to the Moghul conquest to get a full timeline.
And yeah, the Moghul did build some nice palaces and tombs (the Taj Mahal springs to mind), but they built them with Hindu slave labor.
Posted by: mojo at December 9, 2008 11:37 AM