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December 6, 2008

Rally For Canada, Saskatoon

A good turn out of "severely normal" Canadians showed up at Saskatoon City Hall at noon, and a good time (if somewhat chilly) was had by all.

For a round up of reports from across Canada, your best starting place is Blogging Tories.

Update - Star Phoenix coverage (Via Financial Post). Yours truly is quoted.

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Part way through the rally, I walked over to the small, noisy, (and predominantly francophone) pro-coalition group and asked them to close up so I could get everyone in the shot.

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The photo taken, I told them that I simply wanted to record the faces of those who had chosen to disrupt the moment of silence that had just been observed for the fallen soldiers in Afghanistan.

And that, in a few hours, several thousand people would know them, too.

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Update - several of you have sent photos via email. I can't possibly use them all, but here are a few... including my favourite from Ward, from Vancouver!

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London, Ontario courtesy of Jason.

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"No Guff" sends shots from Nanaimo, BC

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Click for Winnipeg rally pics. Maurice writes "A few days ago, Winnipeg's leftwing elite held their pro-coalition rally in a warm hotel banquet room."

Also - Youtube of the Queen's Park rally in Toronto.

Pelalusa has a bunch of photos and video, too. (sorry, link fixed!)

Feel free to drop links to your own albums in the comments.

Posted by Kate at December 6, 2008 5:48 PM
Comments

awesome. winnipeg rally went very well too, over 300 people despite the -35 windchill! real prairie people!

there were about five pro-coalition morons in attendance at ours.

(btw, link to full size image appears to be broken)

Posted by: steve at December 6, 2008 5:59 PM

I love the Internet. Now I know who's @ss to kick next time I'm in Saskatoon.

Hey Hey! Ho Ho! Retard lefties eat yellow snow!

Posted by: The Phantom at December 6, 2008 6:03 PM

what a bunch of little shitheads. give 'em a few for me, Phantom.

Posted by: steve at December 6, 2008 6:09 PM

link working fine,steve.Funny Kate.Tried that here in Edmonchuck,but we are not allowed to take pics of beaten bodies until after the cops are done.

Posted by: Justthinkin at December 6, 2008 6:09 PM

Meanwhile, in the bunker...

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/549448

Posted by: ulianov at December 6, 2008 6:09 PM

My short video of the Rally For Canada at Queen's Park in Toronto can be viewed at www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO6bkWOHUgc

Click on "watch in high quality" to get a better view.

Posted by: Mississauga Matt at December 6, 2008 6:10 PM

This whole coalition deal-making is precisely why Porportional Representation is bad. You don't get to vote for a government. The politicians decide what government you get.

Posted by: RW at December 6, 2008 6:10 PM

I am glad to say that I was able to attend the rally in Saskatoon. It was a good turn out, even for a cold day.
It was good to hear that several of the Liberal MP's are wanting out of the coalition. While I don't always agree with the Liberals, I respect them, for most part, and the ones wanting out of the coalition remind me why.
However, the best part of the entire rally happened when I was leaving. The Chevy pick-up parked in front of me had a "FREE SASKATCHEWAN! END THE SOCIALIST REGIME!" bumper sticker.

Posted by: Trent at December 6, 2008 6:11 PM

So the local CUPE offices can get a few of their members out with some signs and they think it is a "grass roots" effort.

The coalition is Socialists, Unionists, Separatists and generally stupid people who are afraid to run in an election as a coalition because they know Canada would kick their traitorous asses so hard they could wipe their butts and blow their noses at the same time.

Posted by: Fred at December 6, 2008 6:15 PM

You lit up there lives I'm sure. As Bugs would say. Life is a stinker.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at December 6, 2008 6:15 PM

Stephane was late for his rally in Toronto despite being introduced... drew chuckles from supporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEutatn0dqo

Posted by: Paul W at December 6, 2008 6:16 PM

Right From Alberta has some great pictures of the rally in Calgary.

Dion Not Worth The Risk (See, We Weren't Joking)

Posted by: TimR at December 6, 2008 6:16 PM

Will the flag be flying at half mast on parliament hill?

Show a little respect, and don't use Soldiers as your political football.

Posted by: hugger at December 6, 2008 6:18 PM

Bawwwaahhhaaaaa!!

Catherine McMillan you are a classic!!

Posted by: AtlanticJim at December 6, 2008 6:20 PM

Winnipeg pics are up at the Broom.

http://dustmybroom.com/

Posted by: ChrisinMB at December 6, 2008 6:24 PM

Good photojournalism work, Kate!

See the guy in the middle in the bottom pic? Looks like a young Vlad Lenin with glasses, doesn't he?

In the back is a sign so ironic as to be yet more proof positive that Leftists have a mental disorder: "We want democracy". Eh? Overthrowing the duly-elected-by-the-People-just-weeks-ago-government is "democratic"? Hoo-boy!

Leave it to the deranged Left to believe that the will of the politicians trumps the will of the People. Don't they realize that the Leftist politicians, if they can't take power via democracy, they'll find another way to steal it? Oh, wait... yes, they do, and this is what they want; shame on them! I wonder if they're now using what might've been Hitler's 'Plan B' for if he hadn't won? Does anyone believe that Hitler would've ultimately respected the democratic will of the German people if he hadn't won? Not me. These National Socialists are, after all, all alike, at least ultimately.

The disrupted the moment of silence for the dead and wounded? Why am I not surprised? Ah. So these are the people who support the Leftist putsch! Undemocratic socialist revolutionaries who disrespect those who paid the ultimate sacrifice so they could have the right to be such antisocial lunatics in public. National Socialism really does make one mad, doesn't it?

Somebody call Zombietime.com.

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at December 6, 2008 6:27 PM

Is someone hiding behind the sign on the right side? It sure looks that way. Maybe even 2 people?

Posted by: Johann at December 6, 2008 6:30 PM

I was at the saskatoon rally too. I can safely say my toes have finally thawed out. That was a cold day but a good time!

Posted by: Melissa at December 6, 2008 6:33 PM

The weenies all seem to have man-boobs, even under three layers of cloths.

Too much tofu makes the mind and body weak:)

Posted by: Rednik at December 6, 2008 6:34 PM

Looks like a buncha hippies if you ask me.

Posted by: mark at December 6, 2008 6:45 PM

Great to see the pictures and videos. Loved the signs, especially the hammer and sickle.
Best, of course, was Walsh's lonely gig. If she was still alive, Princess Warrior would have really screwed Dyawn.

Posted by: gellen at December 6, 2008 6:46 PM

It was great to shiver with my fellow patriots in Toon town. I think we had the best soundtrack too:

"We don't need no coalition!

We don't need no thought control!

No dirty backroom politicians!

Hey!

Dion!

Leave our votes alone!"

Posted by: Kelly at December 6, 2008 6:51 PM

The TO rally featuring Dion and the speechifying Jackrat seemed fairly cold and lifeless except for the hot air provided free and for an extended period by the bald one. I think City TV did a quick wide angle zoom in error and the crowd wasn't very large considering the resources that the NDP can usually call on. Probably most of the regulars were already committed to other demos.

Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at December 6, 2008 6:51 PM

It was great to shiver with my fellow patriots in Toon town. I think we had the best soundtrack too:

"We don't need no coalition!

We don't need no thought control!

No dirty backroom politicians!

Hey!

Dion!

Leave our votes alone!"

Posted by: Kelly at December 6, 2008 6:51 PM

Attended the Kelowna rally held in Rutland Community Hall. Would estimate over 200. Organized by a Grade 11 female student. Also addressed by a Grade 12 male student who wants to be Prime Minister some day. He gave a very passionate speech about democracy.
Very positive experience. All speakers were respectful. Which I notice is something our opposition are not doing as they name call Harper and make nasty remarks about him.

Posted by: Fred Clark at December 6, 2008 6:53 PM

Was at the anti-coalitin rally in Toronto. Small crowd of about 500 or so but enthusiatic. The crowd seemed much larger at City Hall for the communist/socialist rally. Now you know why Toronto is solid socialist with its huge public unions.

Only silver lining for the economic crisis is maybe thousands of these socialists will be laid off or their wages cut back drastically as money is properly spent on the private sector that creates all the wealth not consumes it.

Posted by: Dave at December 6, 2008 7:01 PM

oh boy . . . a petition to freep.

I have left my "name", well actually more of a description of what I thought of their 62%, and a few paragraphs in the comments section

Posted by: Fred at December 6, 2008 7:04 PM

ahhhhh here

http://www.62percentmajority.ca/action/yourvoice

Posted by: Fred at December 6, 2008 7:05 PM

All the counter protesters look like college students. Wouldn't be surprised since Jackie Layton is promising them all free tuition.

Posted by: Phil at December 6, 2008 7:09 PM

"I'm not going to stand by and let a separatist run my country."

Note: "Landowners" include urban landowners; "on both sides of the Ottawa River" includes Quebec.
...-

"Landowners plan Ottawa protest against coalition

Rural landowners are planning a protest rally Monday on Parliament Hill to voice opposition to a proposed coalition government.

The rally, which will involve heavy agricultural and forestry equipment in Ottawa's downtown core, is expected to draw participants from the Upper and Lower Ottawa Valley as well as Leeds and Grenville, Hastings-Prince Edward and the Peterborough area.

Gill Cyr, vice-president of the Leeds and Grenville Landowners Association, said area farmers are poised to protest on Parliament Hill.

"We're getting a lot of calls," said the soybean and wheat farmer who resides between Prescott and Brockville. "We're back on stronger than ever right now. The feeling is that this coalition is going to be terrible for rural Ontario... It has nothing to do with democracy. It's strictly greed."

Protesters are demonstrating against the proposed coalition of the Liberals and the New Democrats, which is to be propped up by the Bloc Quebecois.

"No one I know in rural Canada voted for a coalition that would have a separatist holding the reins of power," said Reg Presley, vice-president of the Prescott Federation of Agriculture. "This is nothing but a power grab by three little men who want to be king.

"They need to know that rural Canada is standing on the outside looking in, and that's why we decided to do it on Monday," he said. "We're not going to let these three clowns railroad us."

The farmers and landowners are part of rallies sprouting up across Canada both against and in support of the proposed coalition government.

A bus from Kingston is to stop in Brockville at 9:30 a.m. until 9:45 a.m. at the Food Basics grocery store before making its next stop at Kemptville's Shoppers Drug Mart, Kemptville at about 10:45, aiming to get to Parliament Hill by noon. It will cost $20 per person for the coach bus, said organizer Connie Fournier. It departs Ottawa at 4 p.m.

Ontario Landowners' associate director Jamie MacMaster said the rally is not just a farm protest.

"This is a call for all rural folks, not just farmers, but small businesspeople, loggers, machinery dealers, construction guys, whatever, on both sides of the Ottawa River to come and stand with us on Monday morning," he said, adding: "I'm not going to stand by and let a separatist run my country."

Anyone wanting more information about transportation, can e-mail Fournier at contact@freedominion.ca."

Posted by: maz2 at December 6, 2008 7:33 PM

Vancouver's Rally for Canada photos now up: http://pelalusa.blogspot.com/2008/12/vancouvers-rally-for-canada.html

Videos to come later today!

Posted by: Robert W. at December 6, 2008 7:38 PM

I'm sure the coalition supporters were very, very concerned about the woman taking their pictures and posting them on her blog so 'thousands' of her fellow bile-spewers could work themselves into a frothing rage at the very sight of them.

Oh, shiver, shiver! Quake, quake!

Posted by: real at December 6, 2008 8:02 PM

Great rally, first one I was ever in. Very good conversation, laughs and nobody liked the '3 stooges' and their lust for power. Big issues the $1.95, government and bureaucracy perks. Not to many liked CBC, and a they like PMSH and what he is doing about the economy. Don't just through the money out there and if money is lent make sure it as payed back.

Posted by: Merle Underwood at December 6, 2008 8:07 PM

The Rally in Calgary today was GREAT.

We drove in from Airdrie and parked at Dalhousie Station in the N.W.

We got on the C-Train and discussed how we were dressed for a couple of hours outside in the cold.

Some people behind us exclaimed, "I guess you're going to the Rally" and we gave the affirmative.

Soon nearly everybody in the car started talking excitedly of going to the Rally and the events of the past week.

All supported PMSH and by the time we got down to the City Hall Station, it was about 10:50 AM, about 200 people debarked from our C-Train and walked straight over to the rapidly filling Olympic Plaza where the Rally was already underway.

After some semi-organized chants we were lead in a rousing chorus of "Oh CANADA" which we sang again at the conclusion of the organized part of the Rally.

Alderman Rick McIver lead us in a moment of silence for the Polytechnique(sp?) Massacre and another period for the three infantrymen we lost yesterday.

Monte Solberg speechified, after Rick McIver and Jason Kenney, and said we had about 2500+ people there.
(my opinion was we had a few hundred more but I guess Monte was just being conservative)

Mayor Bronconnier was notable by his absence and so was Joe Clark who stood for Calgary Center in 2000.
(apparently leading the Gay Pride Parade is more up Joe's alley then leading the Rally for Canada like retired MP Monte Solberg did)

The CBC was notable by it's absence but there was a CBC Radio van.
(of course on Radio you can say there were 50 people at the Calgary Rally and who is gonna dispute it with a picture?)

Posted by: Oz at December 6, 2008 8:11 PM

Good pic, Kate! Sadly, I'm not surprised that two of these punks are hiding behind their sign! And yeah, quite a contrast between them and the REAL Canadians whose moment of silence they chose to disrespect! Come to think of it, I'd hide, too...

Posted by: lynne at December 6, 2008 8:16 PM

Reposted from Reader Tips:

A bunch of pictures from the "anti-coalition" event in Calgary 06 December 2008. Please note my awesome photographic talent to focus on the back of people's heads.

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It was a quiet, respectful event, very Canadian.

Some applauded often, I reserved mine for after our national anthem.

Posted by: PiperPaul at December 6, 2008 8:24 PM

I was at the Saskatoon rally. I think one of the "punks" hiding behind the sign was actually a little kid. The other was likely the Mom. The left indoctrinates them early.

Posted by: crazybengal at December 6, 2008 8:27 PM

I was one of these (let me remember the names people called us) socialist, bolshevik, communist, hippie, racist, traitors. I will apologize for us having spoken when they honoured the recently deceased soldiers; the speakers weren't very loud, and I doubt any of us knew what was being said at the time.

I recall that despite claiming to be "unifying" Canada, Conservatives and some of their supporters have been very hostile to anyone who disagrees with them. I'm a history major, and I know that Conservatives aren't "fascists". On the other hand, we were called communist agents (apparently, we still work for Stalin?) at the rally, and someone told us to "go back to Russia".

There is the obvious hypocrisy of saying Stephen Harper "respects Quebec" right before dismissing Bloc MP's as evil separatists who have no right to be involved with politics. Even if most of us disagree with their objectives, 1.3 million Quebeckers voted for the BQ, and have the same democratic rights as everyone else. They wanted good politicians to represent their interests (more than just separatism). If the Bloc wishes to prop up a gov't, as it did several times for the Conservatives in the last Parliament, it can do so.

I won't say that everyone at the rally was hostile. Some of us had some good one-on-one, reasoned, debates, without the insults and threats that others prefer to use. Hopefully things calm down before Christmas, though it will pick right up again at the end of January.

By the way, I'm the one on the left of the picture holding the yellow sheet, in case anyone wants to have a nice discussion about Canadian democracy.

Posted by: Derek at December 6, 2008 8:33 PM

G'Day maz2 !

In another news item....just who cooked up the whole rotten coalition anyways?
Ralph Goodale (from Regina).
And Marlene Jennings (from Montreal)

Posted by: The Glengarrian at December 6, 2008 8:35 PM

Oh, and for being fair and balanced, I saw some children in the anti-coalition crowd. There were also some of those "punk college students" on the opposite side as well.

Posted by: Derek at December 6, 2008 8:36 PM

In Nanaimo we had a great rally, with more than 100 people attending. The crowd included families and pensioners and happily lots of younger men and women. Plenty of great signs and lots of Canadian flags.

This being historically NDP territory, they of course had to stage a counter rally directly across the street. Thankfully it's a busy throroughfare right downtown, so conflict was avoided. They were a scruffy, older crowd, many of whom I recognized as the hard-core NDP crowd. I can guarantee there wasn't a single Liberal party member in the bunch. Another thing that wasn't amongst them was a Canadian flag. Not a one.

And while our group broke out in several rousing choruses of O' Canada - in fact I got 'pre-empted' when they started before I could ask for the first round. The other guys : nothing but some anti-Harper chanting. They really do hate Harper more than they love Canada.

I had walked across the road to take a 'long shot' of our crowd and one of the NDP'ers started to take a picture of me. I pointed to the 'I Support Our Troops' logo on my shirt and said "make sure you get this, too". The guy yelled out to his fellow loser's that they too support the troops, shouting, "bring the troops home, they're being slaughtered by George Bush".

Not much point in trying to point out that our troops were first sent to Afghanistan by "their coalition partner" the Liberal party or that as of the forming of th coalition, their own party leader apparently agrees.

I was very proud to be part of our rally and to see so many who care.

Posted by: No Guff at December 6, 2008 8:39 PM

I have telephoned to protest that the local CTV Montreal supper newscast said that our rally ended early because we wanted to hide our small numbers. The rally was from 12:00 to 2:00 and we started packing it in at 1:55 because we were cold and had done our thing. There were maybe 60 people there, some who drove in from Sherbrooke. Mostly francophones. Meanwhile the pro rally was all union people with union signs so they make no bones about whom they represent. Christian Paradis the Conservative Minister was at our rally as well as Pierre-Olivier Brunelle the Con. candidate in Pierrefonds-Dollard. Thanks to everyone who turned out. Nothing so far on Radio Canada (I saw RDI there). We did get coverage on the number one English station CJAD!

Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at December 6, 2008 8:40 PM

Predominately francophone...what a surprise...We do da colition...where my cheque!

Posted by: Sean M at December 6, 2008 8:41 PM

I'm sure Kate didn't know you were a history major.

Posted by: ural at December 6, 2008 8:43 PM

"There is the obvious hypocrisy of saying Stephen Harper "respects Quebec" right before dismissing Bloc MP's as evil separatists who have no right to be involved with politics. Even if most of us disagree with their objectives, 1.3 million Quebeckers voted for the BQ, and have the same democratic rights as everyone else."
~Derek

Yes, Derek, 1.3 million Quebecois voted for the Bloc and not only do they have the same democratic rights as everyone else, the Bloc were given respect at the Calgary Rally today as being part of the group of 308 MPs who were working to serve Canada.

Well, you can imagine that the group of people within my earshot disagreed.
Why? Because we all know that the Bloc exists only to destroy Canada.

Yes, we give them the right to take part in our political process.
The Coalition even wants to give them 6 seats in the Canadian Senate.

Perhaps you don't know, Derek, that Canadian Senate seats are for LIFE?

Imagine a separate foreign Quebec nation, with these Six Bloc Quebecois Senators-for-Life with dual citizenship still throwing a monkey-wrench into the Canadian political process and demanding a transfer of wealth from Canada to Quebec.

Yes, Derek, I call that EVIL.

Posted by: Oz at December 6, 2008 8:47 PM

Having watched the YouTube video with that old gasbag CBC 'star' Mary Walsh, reminded me of how old and tired that "hey ho, hey ho (fill in the blank)has got to go" chant has become.

Oh and the appropriation of the "Yes We Can" meme of Obama's was very orginal too, dontcha think!

No wonder the 'gang of three' party is going down: they haven't had an original idea in years.

Posted by: No Guff at December 6, 2008 8:49 PM

Oz, are you crazy? Never, never take on a history major!!!

Posted by: ural at December 6, 2008 8:49 PM

In addition to my Sentinel e-mail address receiving anti-coalition stuff, my own personal (not related to my online moniker) email inbox is already receiving stuff from concerned family members of mine in Ottawa, who are well aware of the situation and are alarmed and opposed to the so-called "coalition".

One email from a family member was actually of a Blogging Tories post mocking Stephane Dion... another was a forwarding of a petition against the "coalition".

Clearly, Canadians are no longer apathetic, no longer think politics is something they can afford to ignore. Clearly also, the Left miscalculated that they would either be supported against the supposdly "scary" Conservatives or that the People just wouldn't care. Boy, were they wrong, and, boy, did they awaken a slumbering juggernaut of Public Opinion against themselves...

This is of the magnitude of the Quebec referenda and threatens to equal the magnitude of the FLQ crisis, potentially...

But I do believe that, after the break, cooler heads will prevail. There are those in the Liberal Party who will not go along with a coup, and, should the coup go ahead, the Liberal Party just might splinter into at least two factions, further splitting the Left-wing vote. Funny how Iggy seems prepared to blame it on Harper, daring him to split the Liberal Party... well, Iggy might get his wish, still...

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at December 6, 2008 8:53 PM

Kate, simply the best :-). Those creeps had it coming :-).

That said: What a great day for freedom-loving people all over the world engaging in free speech freely gathering to petition for redress of grievances...

Shame on the CHRC and the Supine-Socialist-Seperatist Bloc.

Posted by: Josef at December 6, 2008 8:56 PM

"Perhaps you don't know, Derek, that Canadian Senate seats are for LIFE?" - Oz

I didn't know that, because it's not true. Senators can only stay until age 75 (this has been the case since 1965). Did I forget to mention I've taken courses on the Canadian parliamentary system? Besides, the rumour of giving Senate seats to the Bloc is as sketchy as the coalition appointing Elizabeth May as Environment Minister, or Stephen Harper rushing in new Conservative Senators if he knows his gov't will fall. There's a lot of rumours and innuendo swirling around in this period of tension, but we must be careful not to use them to defend a position.

Posted by: Derek at December 6, 2008 9:06 PM

Pretty pathetic Dionski rally in Toronto, no wonder he was late for it, who wouldn't be? Maybe he had to get fortified at a local bar.

Noticed the Queen of hand gestures and empty flak, Carolyn Bennett and perpetual loser Syd Ryan were among the faithful there with him.

They are in such disarray, divided in camps and no one seems to know what the others are up to.They seem to all be winging it on their own, certainly Rae and Iggy are. It's a fine stinko mess and certainly they have to be told they're in no position to offer themselves up to govern any time soon.
John Manley has it right, they should get back to work and rebuild the party.

Posted by: Liz J at December 6, 2008 9:10 PM

I had a nice time today at the rally. Seemed like pretty decent people. The Anti-Harperites did their requisite chanting, and they obviously weren't there to listen but rather to rudely interrupt the speakers. Oh yeah, and the moment of silence. (I do agree with Derek that they probably didn't hear the call for silence, but what did they think we were doing? Waiting for a Dion telecast?)

Otherwise, the anti-coalition group consisted of a broad demographic, and were very respectful and positive. I also enjoyed meeting a few decent folk there too, including SDA's own Kate and Paul. Good people all around.

Posted by: Rob Huck at December 6, 2008 9:17 PM

Derek, if you really are the guy in the picture, you're a dork. And your mother dresses you funny.

Please, be on Dion's side. I like it that way.

Posted by: The Phantom at December 6, 2008 9:21 PM

Nice to meet you in person today, Kate. That's a great photo.

I concur with crazybengal ... that's a mom hiding a young boy behind the sign. I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt that she was hiding him from the camera on purpose which is a good choice.

The pro-coalition protesters need to work on creating chants that can't be co-opted by their adversaries. They were chanting "Coalition?" but their "Yes." answers were quickly drowned out by "No!" Too funny.

Posted by: Michele at December 6, 2008 9:26 PM

derek - because Quebecers voted for the Bloc, does not give them or their MPs the right to vett ALL confidence Motions in the proposed coalition government.

Don't you realize that this sets up a two-tiered parliament, where the votes of all the other MPs must be submitted to a higher-level PowerBroker? And that this higher level is made up of MPs who are out of the electoral reach of over 80% of Canadians? This is not a democratic structure. Surely you realize that.

Second, as a history major, you ought to realize that a democracy rests on the Electoral Will of its people. We had an October election which elected a govt, which was sworn in, and whose Throne Speech passed parliament. It is now legitimate.

The coalition's agenda, obviously planned for a long time, was to discard the electoral will of the people, install themselves in power without an election - and - keep themselves in power without going to the people for almost two years. They would keep themselves in power by a signed agreement with the Bloc that the Bloc would support them through any confidence vote.

That means that the Bloc has signed an agreement to ignore the content of any financial bill, because they have given their signature that they'll support it. That's a violation of their democratic responsibility - not to make partisan decisions, but to make decisions based on the actul Motions.

You should not be surprised that people are angry with this coalition and its attempt to take over the government without an election. It is an insult to the democratic rights of Canadians.

And, a political party whose members are outside of the electoral reach of 80% of Canadians, and is open only to people in one province, Quebec, has no legitimate right to act as Overseer for the national interests of Canada. You should not be surprised that people are angry at anyone who suggests such an idea. So, it is incorrect of you to say that they have 'no right' to be involved in politics; they have no right to be making decisions about the national interest when they are not electable by anyone outside Quebec.

I won't speak of their mandate to separate from Canada because we all know that they have no such desire and use it only as a threat in order to extort more money from Canadians.

No, this time the Bloc is not 'propping up a government' based on its decision on one particular Motion. It has signed an agreement with the coalition that it will, regardless of the content of a motion, support the government. That is a violation of their duty to us as MPs. They are not there to set up a partisan alliance but to judge, review, debate and vote on Motions. Their refusal to do this, in favour of unlimited support - is a violation of their duty.

Again, the fact that this coalition seeks power without the approval of the electorate, is a violation of our democratic rights as citizens. I'm sure you know enough about history to have some respect for those rights. Or do you?

I'm quite astonished at your dismissal of democracy by your support of the coalition.

Posted by: ET at December 6, 2008 9:26 PM

"I didn't know that, because it's not true. Senators can only stay until age 75 (this has been the case since 1965)."

Oh well, my bad, Derek.
Of course you are correct.

So they get 6 Senators who are 25 and they serve for 50 years, or maybe the get 6 Senators who are 30 and only serve for 45 years and clearly you think that is OK.
(because 75 years isn't life even if the average Canadian male only lives to 75 years-81 for females)

I nominate you, Derek, for Evasive Leftist of the Year and Nitpicker Extraordinaire.

Posted by: Oz at December 6, 2008 9:40 PM

Tid Bit from a friend who attended one of the rallys in Alberta. She was told by a party insider that Prime Minister Harper was NOT in danger of losing the confidence vote on Monday.

He had been contacted by more than enough opposition members who told him they were disgusted by the whole thing and would either not show up or abstain.

That would have to be more than 12.

So , closing down parliament 5 days early was to let some cooler heads prevail, as the PM said.

If these opposition members had abstained it would have been public and they and their families would have spent the next two months being bombarded by the media, blackballed by their parties and as targets for the vitriolic wrath we have seen the left unleash on their own who do not toe the party line.

This way everyone can save face.

Good on the PM.

Posted by: Marie at December 6, 2008 9:54 PM

Oz: "6 Senators who are 25 and they serve for 50 years"

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the minimum age for a senator is either 35 or 40. Still, it's pretty much for life.

Posted by: Candace at December 6, 2008 9:57 PM

"predominantly francophone"
And to think you restrained your crucifixion reflex.

Posted by: Carter at December 6, 2008 10:03 PM

Thread was going great until someone(ya,you oz...and ET??) starting feeding the troll.Can't you guys/gals read Kate's rules??
And regarding the pic...methinks that was a Mom slapping her kid,behind the sign, for asking why s/he was being used as a prop,instead of playing street hockey.

Posted by: Justthinkin at December 6, 2008 10:10 PM

Derek

Are you sure you're not taking poli-sci, because either you are ignorant, or are spinning recent events.

...."the rumour of giving Senate seats to the Bloc is as sketchy as the coalition appointing Elizabeth May as Environment Minister"....

Tell me then, why was Moonbat May front and center, proclaiming just that fact? That's more than 'sketchy'...although it would be a terrible day for our country to see such an abuse of power happen. Exactly what has she accomplished? What has she done that is notable? Being leader of a wingnut party, that has never, and likely will never elect a single member? Does that mean that any leader of any unelected fringe party qualifies for the senate? And a senior cabinet position?

Derek, this is the lunacy that Dead Man Walking was proposing. Lunacy. Sheer. Mockery of the democratic process. To an extreme. And you still wonder why conservatives will go to the wall fighting agianst the corrupt and power-mad coupalition?

You're young, one day you will wise up.

Posted by: DanBC at December 6, 2008 10:17 PM

Hey Kate saw you taking the picture didn't realalize it was you, you certinatly sure do know how to make a point! (LOL)

Posted by: jack ferguson at December 6, 2008 10:30 PM

Here's an interesting link, plugging in the COMPAS numbers to a seat calculator.

Thanks to Norman Spector's site for the link.

http://langhjelmletter.blogspot.com/2008/12/what-annihilation-looks-like.html

Mind boggling, no wonder Jacko Lenin doesn't say boo about democratic elections, they are evil in his eye

Posted by: DanBC at December 6, 2008 10:32 PM

Justthinkin - Troll? You can't say that about a history major that has "taken courses on the Canadian parliamentary system"

You're mean!!!

Posted by: ural at December 6, 2008 10:37 PM

Look at the fat bastard holding the "Harper is a Coward" sign. Is Michael Moore really here taking up the cause of the Libs/NDP?

Posted by: a different bob at December 6, 2008 10:56 PM

Did you take a survey on the major of all those disrupters (at least they look like Uni students). No, wait, let me guess - General Arts (i.e. just hanging out) 40%, Sociology 40%, Human Justice 20% ?????

Thank the Good Lord I write my last final in one week.

Posted by: SKite in AB at December 6, 2008 11:09 PM

To be fair to the hippies, they probably did not hear about the moment of silence and did not know it was taking place. I could be wrong, a number of us took our hats off during it and they might have noticed and been able to figure it out.

Posted by: soup at December 6, 2008 11:20 PM

I ask again, will the flag be flying at half mast on parliament hill?

No?

Why not?

It is a true low life that would use our Soldiers as a political football.

It is a true low life without a conscience that would use dead Soldiers as a political football.

As for the rest of the chorus, you are a disgrace.

Posted by: hugger at December 6, 2008 11:27 PM


I was at the one in Windsor. Seemed to be no more than 80 people there. Windsor is a socialist enclave so we can't expect too much. It was arranged by university students and many immigrants were in attendance. I spoke to one gentleman who seemed to have known Jack Layton quite well. Said that his father was a conservative but the son is well schooled in Marxism. Must have attended the same school as Bob Rae. This gentleman was inscensed at this situation and having come from a communist country I can understand how he feels. It scares the shyte out of everyone. Looked for Sam s, but couldn't find him in the crowd.

If this coalition is allowed I can't see how we will ever remove them from government.

Posted by: dolly at December 6, 2008 11:33 PM

hugger - Well, its a military thing. Are you suggesting THEY change for YOU?

Posted by: ural at December 6, 2008 11:44 PM

Anyone get any pic’s of Kinsella lurking around identifying Nazi’s? The public washroom’s maybe?

Posted by: Knight 99 at December 6, 2008 11:48 PM

I got a cruddy video of the "performance" we had at Saskatoon on my phone. I'm sure there are better videos out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIMQGsKHKlE

Posted by: K Stricker at December 6, 2008 11:57 PM

I also brought my son to the rally. We could only stay 15 minutes because I had to go to a job. My son wanted to stay longer so I put a little more money in the meter. He's 10. He's already a political junkie. He loves rally's.

Posted by: soup at December 7, 2008 12:02 AM

Just an observation from the past week, and the various demonstrations

When it comes to the left, the demos, no matter what the reason (they DO complain a lot), the ussal suspects and rent-a-crowd show up. Same old unions, same old signs, same old ranters and ravers.

The thing is, what we've seen this week, is people who NEVER come out to demonstrate, never protest, in truth, THESE are the ordinary Canadians, that Tally Jack claims to speak for. This is the true grassroots, the 'silent majority', who have woken up, are stepping out, and being vocal, telling the intolerant left,...

"WE'VE HAD IT AND WE'RE NOT TAKING IT ANYMORE"

Very civilly, of course!

This is the sleeping giant that the radical left have awoken. Congrats Jack, and thanks. You've mobilized, and strengthened the Center-right!

Posted by: DanBC at December 7, 2008 12:10 AM

"Tell me then, why was Moonbat May front and center, proclaiming just that fact?"

Tourette's Syndrome.

Posted by: Hannibal Lectern at December 7, 2008 12:57 AM

I was at the Saskatoon rally as well - Kate, sorry I missed you, I would of liked to have said hi! I did talk to my MP again though, and offered to go doorknocking again for her in Feb if we go back to the polls.


"Never, never take on a history major!!!"

I was a History Major too! with minors in political science and slavic studies. After I graduated I promptly joined the Army - and retired 23 years later as a real Major.

Posted by: Sarge (not the idiot troll) at December 7, 2008 1:23 AM

My guests have just gone home for the night. "Uncle Wob" did a fine job entertaining a 5 year-old and a 2 year-old but finally lost the battle on the energy front! :-)

Anyhow, I've compiled Rally For Canada photos from across our nation: http://pelalusa.blogspot.com/2008/12/more-rally-for-canada-images-from.html

I'm sure there are more. Please leave me comments to URL links that contain photos and/or videos and I will update the posting!

Posted by: Robert W. at December 7, 2008 1:24 AM

DanBC said, "The thing is, what we've seen this week, is people who NEVER come out to demonstrate, never protest, in truth,THESE are the ordinary Canadians"

Exactly, when I showed up I didn't have a clue what to expect or what to do. It was obvious that many felt the same. I observed many on arrival would stand back observing for a few minutes sipping coffee, almost timid, then work their way forward into the crowd after chatting among each other in small groups.

Posted by: ChrisinMB at December 7, 2008 1:25 AM

DanBC wrote: "rent-a-crowd".

That speaks for itself. Who is paying the bill?

False flag operations are the scourge of decent societies everywhere.

Posted by: PiperPaul at December 7, 2008 1:32 AM

"I ask again, will the flag be flying at half mast on parliament hill?

No?

Why not?

It is a true low life that would use our Soldiers as a political football.

It is a true low life without a conscience that would use dead Soldiers as a political football.

As for the rest of the chorus, you are a disgrace."
-Hugger

Well said.

Posted by: Carter at December 7, 2008 1:37 AM

heard the queen might come to one of the rallys but scotty brison never showed

Posted by: richard linton at December 7, 2008 1:54 AM

heard the queen might come to one of the rallys but scotty brison never showed

Posted by: richard linton at December 7, 2008 1:54 AM

Thanks for the inspiration Kelly, to add to yours...

We don't need no coalition!
We don't need no thought control!
No dirty backroom politicians!
Hey
Dion!
leave our votes alone!

All in all you're just another prick on the hill

Posted by: the bear at December 7, 2008 2:00 AM

Yo, Derek. You and your buds look like you're going to the Marc Lepine Lookalike Contest. (Guess that must be a real turn-on for those lib women, yeah?)

But seriously dude, when someone takes your picture, stand up and don't look so much like you've got a load in your pants.

Posted by: Wurstman Ever at December 7, 2008 2:52 AM

Comprehensive report on Coalition thugs in Vancouver: http://downtowneastsideenquirer.blogspot.com/2008/12/union-member-opposing-coalition-denied.html

Posted by: Robert W. at December 7, 2008 5:09 AM

I was at the Saskatoon rally, too. Guess we should have started an SDA chant in order to find each other! Sorry I missed the Bailey's, Melissa.

Posted by: kdl at December 7, 2008 8:16 AM

Marie: "[PMSH] had been contacted by more than enough opposition members who told him they were disgusted by the whole thing and would either not show up or abstain [at the vote on December 8]."

I figured as much. The antics of the Coalition Coup are enough to turn the stomachs of any but the most hardened leftbats. Now, I'm wondering how many of them might either cross the floor or sit as Independents when Parliament resumes?

'Talk about a pivotal point in history: Canada's there!

I was at the Toronto Rally, where about 500-600 stalwarts braved two hours of snow and a bitterly cold wind. It was difficult to get the crowd chanting at first, but as the rally proceeded, we warmed up and started to get into "the groove."

Let's face it, unlike the knee-jerk Marxists, Canadian c/Conservatives aren't usually the rallying type. It's going to take a few dress rehearsals to get the hang of it.

Posted by: batb at December 7, 2008 8:31 AM

I was at the rally in Winnipeg and the turnout was great - it looked like at least 300 people. There was some media there, but for some strange reason, the CEEB seemed to think sending 2 vans+equipment trailer to cover Bob Rae's make me Prime Minister Tour was more important than watching real democracy in action.

I covered a bit of the Rae-fest to scope out sentiment of the local hardcore Winnipeg Liberal faithful prior to going to the real Rally for Canada. Numbers were similar to the rally at the Leg, even though they were inside and had coffee and muffins. I knew it had to be mainly hard core Liberal party faithful as either Rae or Anita Neville were identifying most of the people participating in the Q and A session by name. Based on some of the questions I was picking up and the generally lukewarm applause even the faithful are having trouble buying this.

Posted by: Sylia at December 7, 2008 9:12 AM

Here we go with the stupid flag thing again. For the umpteenth time: The flag on the parliament buildings is the the flag of the nation. It only comes down for certain diplomatic circumstances and only one other reason - surrender of the nation. Every soldier understands that, too bad the trolls don't. Dip all the rest all you like or feel necessary to.

Posted by: Skip at December 7, 2008 10:32 AM

Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.
If you don't like the way our government operates, work to change it in the House. But wait, you can't do that; Parliament has been shutdown.

Posted by: Donnie Campbell at December 7, 2008 10:38 AM

Parliament has taken its xmas break, only. Patriotism is also the badge of the stalwart and the righteous of spirit.
The decision to prorogue was the decision of the Governor General, one of three choices, not the decision of the PM. So you disrespect the office of the Governor General for partisan politics?

Posted by: Skip at December 7, 2008 11:05 AM

BatB

It's rather unlikely that Libs are going to 'cross the floor' or go Independent.

Much more likely they don't show up, or, maybe, vote for the budget. It wouldn't be a complette shock for some to do just that, and then afterwards, proclaim themselves as saviours of Canada, or other such dribble.

Just a thought, it would be pretty ballsy of them, maybe too much to expect. The Liberal thing to do is to sleep in.

Posted by: DanBC at December 7, 2008 11:34 AM

Would people please get it right. The GG DID NOT make ANY f*&ing decision.As much as monarchists love to preach it,the GG has NO say in our gubbermint.She either does as she is told by the PM,or finds another non-job.

Posted by: Justthinkin at December 7, 2008 12:08 PM

I just searched the online versions of our local 'rags' and apparently the Saskatoon and Regina rallies didn't take place. After all if they are not in the S-P or the L-P they couldn't have happened. Lots of coverage of pro 'coup-aliton' rallies though. Why am I not surprised!
Just something to consider if you ever get a request to subscribe!

Posted by: Jake at December 7, 2008 12:46 PM

I'm kind of appalled; Derek comes here, posts politely-worded disagreements, invites reasoned discourse, and what does he get in return? Personal insults based on his appearance - nice, Phantom and wurstmann. Snarky rejoinders when he corrects YOUR errors - tell me, Oz, what's so evasive about pointing out senators are appointed until they're 75, not for life as you wrote? And Derek rather doubted that Lizzie had, based on her say-so, been offered a Senate seat and the Environment portfolio, but DanBC apparently accepts it because she said it was true. Um, since she's also said that Harper is contributing to the destruction of the planet, global warming threatens us all, and that Harper was planning to put tanks on Parliament Hill, do you believe all those are true as well, Dan? I doubt it.

I don't mind a little blood-sport when it's directed at manny, I, beria, and qs - they come slinging mud, and deserve all that comes their way. But Derek came in respect - he even offered an apology for unknowingly disrupting the remembrance ceremony - and received disrespect in return. This reflects poorly on all of us.

What bothers me most is the young man writes coherently, doesn't indulge in invective, and shows himself open to discussion. It's possible that, through engagement, we might have shown him why this coalition at this time was absolutely the wrong thing for Canada. I don't think we can do that now.

Posted by: KevinB at December 7, 2008 1:59 PM

Justthinkin, sometime subtleties just go right over your head.

Posted by: Skip at December 7, 2008 2:39 PM

Kevin B

Lizzie Moonbats words, not mine. You should know that.

From the sound of your little rant, I will call you a leftard troll! Pot, kettle, black

Posted by: DanBC at December 7, 2008 8:09 PM

KevinB, one does not discuss things politely with people who are seeking to destroy the country. You DEFEAT THEM, as fast and economically as possible. Discussion and politeness is reserved for the time when you accept their unconditional surrender.

I think if more Conservatives understood this, and understood that this is how Liberals fight, maybe our f-ing taxes wouldn't be eating half our incomes, and maybe the health of the economy wouldn't be hinging on the incompetent morons who run Ford, GM and Chrysler. And maybe my mother wouldn't be on a waiting list for tests to be on the waiting list for a f-ing hip replacement.

You want to get out of the corner these fools have backed us all into, you call a dork history student a DORK. If he actually STUDIED history instead of regurgitating what his profs feed him, he'd see this coalition abomination will only lead to a bad outcome. As it is, maybe a little strong language will rattle his comfy little cage just enough for him to look out the damn window for a second.

I'm not about to play patty cake with these people Kevin, I'm working toward seeing them exposed as the architects of our discontent and routed from government ASA f'ing P. On the end of my size 10 1/2 steel toed boot if necessary.

Seems only fair, since they're working toward chucking people like Mark Steyn, Kate and Ezra in jail. Kate goes to jail, how long before I do? I go to jail, how long before YOU do, KevinB? The slippery slope gets pretty steep just before it goes vertical.

Posted by: The Phantom at December 7, 2008 10:53 PM

Democracy + Coalition = Demolition?

I cannot help but think that the two sides of the "coalition issue" are being somewhat hypocritical. If the roles were reversed, and it was a Con/NDP coalition (with the support of the Bloque) threatening to oust a Lib minority government, I suspect that most of the "pro-coalition" folk would be vehemently "anti-coalition" - and vice-versa.

Both camps claim to be acting on the side of "democracy". The Bloque elected 49 MPs with 1,379,991 votes. The Greens elected 0 MPs with 937,613 votes. Democracy? Please.

Posted by: Greg Elborne at December 7, 2008 11:28 PM

DanBC: Lizzie Moonbats words, not mine. You should know that. From the sound of your little rant, I will call you a leftard troll! Pot, kettle, black

Dan, you really should work on your reading skills; I said quite clearly that Lizzie claimed she had been offered the post. Derek doubted it, and you called him to task using these words "Tell me then, why was Moonbat May front and center, proclaiming just that fact? That's more than 'sketchy'...". As I pointed out, May has said many outlandish things during her annoying presence on our political scene; I prefer to believe none unless they're independently corroborated. You apparently have some unusual power to discern when May speaks the truth, and when it's just her usual departure from reality. My congratulations to you, and please accept my wishes that you apply your powers to something important.

Oh, and I spent over 100 hours working for my local CPC candidate last election - phoning, putting up signs, canvassing, etc. Before I'll accept you calling me "leftard troll", I'd like to hear just how often you got off your butt for your candidate. Yeah, that's what I thought.

Phantom, I urge you to go back and re-read Derek's initial comment. He doesn't call us "fascists" or say that "Harper's trying to destroy the country". He does object to being called a communist, or being told to go back to Russia. He holds - for now - a different political view, which last time I looked is his right in our country. He actually invited discussion, which suggested to me that he was open to argument. Responding with insults has not, in my extensive personal experience, been conducive to changing minds.

You write "As it is, maybe a little strong language will rattle his comfy little cage just enough for him to look out the damn window for a second." I disagree; make your points as vehemently as you like, certainly. Use strong language, OK. But please tell me how your comment "Derek, if you really are the guy in the picture, you're a dork. And your mother dresses you funny."
can be considered intelligent, instructive, or useful. On the contrary, it's simply childish.

Both of you should note that I had no harsh words for ET, who penned a lengthy reply to Derek, but didn't find it necessary to attack him personally or insult him gratuitously. You could learn from ET.

Finally, Phantom, you say you are "working" towards "exposing [the coalition] as the architects of our discontent". I would be interested to hear more details of the work you are doing.

Posted by: KevinB at December 7, 2008 11:57 PM

It is hypocritical for Harper supporters to be wrapping themselves in the flag. Harper and the Conservatives routinely worked with the Bloc in order to defeat Liberal Government legislation, and allied with the Bloc to defeat the Martin Government. Even more recently, the Harper Government depended on the Bloc for the passage of the budget. So please dump your moralizing hypocrisy.

The rhetoric about a "coup" is also ridiculous. Canadians did not give Harper a majority of the seats, and hence he has no monopoly on the position of prime minister.

Posted by: Abigail at December 8, 2008 1:31 AM

Is that Kim Justin-Il on the far right of the "disrupters" photo?

... nah, I was mistaken ...

Posted by: nv53 at December 8, 2008 2:53 AM

Just to note, I believe the one in the center of the pro-coalition group in the green jacket is one Jae Ford, president I believe of the Saskatchewan Young New Democrats?

Posted by: bar_jebus at December 8, 2008 4:18 PM

Just to note, I believe the one in the center of the pro-coalition group in the green jacket is one Jae Ford, president I believe of the Saskatchewan Young New Democrats?

Posted by: bar_jebus at December 8, 2008 4:24 PM

KevinB said: "But please tell me how your comment
can be considered intelligent, instructive, or useful."

No problem, Kevin.

It isn't meant to be any of those things. Its meant to be coarse, unpleasant and confrontational. I'd spit in his eye, but this is the internet and spit doesn't travel by packet switching.

Hope that's cleared it up for you.

Posted by: The Phantom at December 8, 2008 7:25 PM
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