Well it may not that coolers heads prevailed, more like a fear of Section 13 action or the potential of a visit from the Hate Crimes Unit of the Metro Toronto Police. Uttering death threats is a criminal offence.

They are covering their legal bare a**.

Like Gerry, IMO Scott Reid should be charged, either by the police or under Section 13 for uttering hate speech.

A chilling thought: What if some crazy takes Reid's screed seriously. What he wrote could be considered an incitement to doing real violence. What would THAT mean for PMSH, his party, and our country?

This isn't something to be shrugged off. Taken literally, as some idiots might do, it's a death threat, with hatred dripping from it.

Scott Reid is deranged. Bobo Rae doesn't seem far behind. 'See everyone at the Rally for Canada later today!

Interesting actually, that (apparently)some liberal staffer believes that if Harper's current government were turfed out by the wierd parliamentary maneuvering going on in opposition that the conservatives would necessarily replace him and that that would make him weaker.

Especially after the current polls.

I think exactly the opposite would happen, the conservatives would rally around him, and the hypothetical "3_arses_in_Charge_coalition" would face a no-confidence vote within months, if not weeks, and force an election.

I notice that WK was dueling with Tim Powers on Mike Duffy - maybe the Libs were afraid Time might bring up that article!

Poor Scott - first Beer and Popcorn - now death threats....The Libs might do well to suggest he find another career path.

Fear rules the Liberal Party now.

Bluelikeyou's conclusion is faulty tower stuff.

"That’s right! We hired them and they’re not doing their jobs!! The partisanship has got to go."

Blue is referring to Goldstein's words: "…Stephen Harper, Stephane Dion, Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe needn’t have a "Kumbaya moment" and sing around the campfire. But with the global economy entering recession and thousands losing their jobs, this Parliament must do what we hired it to do seven weeks ago…"

Temporizing when confronted with the Separatist Coalition is suicide.

Ask Mao Stlong's nephew, Boob Lae.

Rae has published his Revolutionary Manifesto on his website.

Down with the Separatist Coalition.

fred2 - you don't understand. The Coalition set themselves up that NO non-confidence votes could pass. They have the written assurance of the Bloc that the Bloc members would support this coalition in any confidence vote. That means that it would be impossible to bring down this coalition if it came to power.

The Coalition could pass any budget, do anything, raise taxes, reward their friends with Senate seats, reward each other's favorite groups with huge amounts of money...and nothing could be done about it. They set it up so that their Coalition would be immune from the Electorate. NO VOTE.

They set it up so that they would get into power without the will of the power. No Vote.
They set it up so that no opposition to their continuance in power was possible. No Vote.

This total abuse of the electorate, of the people of Canada, of the nature of our democracy, of the Houses of Parliament - that's their agenda.

New Coin Minted:

Have you heard that the Royal Canadian Mint has stopped production of the "nickel"?

Apparently the beaver has been removed and a completely new coin will be minted to commemorate the "coalition".

One side will have a weasel, and the other side will have two snakes in the grass.

*YAWN*

New Coin Minted:

Have you heard that the Royal Canadian Mint has stopped production of the "nickel"?

Apparently the beaver has been removed and a completely new coin will be minted to commemorate the "coalition".

One side will have a weasel, and the other side will have two snakes in the grass.

This article seems to show Iggy going militant and wanting a confrontation.
Do the readers view it the same way?
I get that this is war and a fight to the death.
It sounds to me like Ignatieff has chosen to go militant and go after Harper no matter what...
Quotes..."In Saint John for meetings with local business and political leaders, the Liberals' prospective quarterback said that not even banishing Parliament to a seven-week recess will help Harper save his government.
later....
"Canadians can have confidence in a coalition, provided they know certain things are on the table and certain things are off it at all times. And they have our iron-clad assurance they we will govern in their best interest."

http://dailygleaner.canadaeast.com/cityregion/article/503626

ET....Thankyou for making that clear. It need to be made even clearer, to Canadians as they settle into their accustomed pattern of, "Oh-well-ism".
These commies, would run the show with no accountability for 18 month minimum. GAWD, that is scary!

The tape of Layton mouthing off to his caucus is another card in Harper's hand. We have only released 25 % of that tape. The Libs must be sweating, wondering what else Layton had to say. Maybe we can release some juicy tidbits from Layton's big mouth, hopefully with him musing about Dion's role in the coup, just before the Libs turf him next week. Meanwhile, Don't Layton & Duceppe have a say in who the new interim coalition leader should be ?

Corporate GlobeMedia is essentially a leftist information disseminating medium in Canada, in the same mould as The Torstar corporation, and NBC and CNN in the USA.
Attack dogs like Reid and Travers reflect the mindset of management, in my view.

The opinion makers for the electorate.

The same lot that turned a wilful blind eye during the corrupt Chretien years of government malfeasaence..

Hopefully this will be the last of reid as a credible liberal spokesman on Mike Duffy Live or any other news for that matter.As for the globe,what would you expect from a libshit rag except revisionist history!Have any liberals distanced themselves from reids comments?

I have to support Scott Reid on this one because I believe in freedom of speech. He was talking metaphorically, and I hate the orwellian speech law.
Let him spew his "Hot Air". It clears the air in how people like him think. The msm with their harper derangement syndrome cannot seem to stick with a position, today its news, tomorrow it must be cleansed from the news. Manipulation machine is in overdrive, and it has five forward gears. All I ask is if you are going to report something take a position and stick with it.

On CBC Newsworld this morning, musings by Susan Riley and Chris Hall that either McCallum or Goodale would make a good "choice" to replace Dion as "interim leader". What they ignored is that the "choice", as they put it, would in fact be no choice at all... it would instead be a party rejected by Canadians in it's worst showing in more than 100 years engaging in something even more vile than having Dion lead the country, it would be to impose an unelected PM on Canadians, not just an interim leader for the Liberal Party as they spun it.

How could anyone suggest as these two clown did that Liberals behind closed doors emerging to tell Canadians before a throng of reporters who "they have chosen" by secret vote to be Canada's next PM is in any way legitimate and a choice.

"The same lot that turned a wilful blind eye during the corrupt Chretien years of government malfeasaence."

The same group that decry Harper as a bully and a control freak, love to point to Chretien as one of the great prime ministers.

The same group that call Harper a chicken for proroguing parliament; call Chretien's prorogation to get out from under the scrutiny of the Auditor General's report on Adscam "brilliant strategy".

I guess it just depends on the color of the shoes the guy is wearing.

I guess he can argue he meant kill in the rhetorical sense. And he certainly should have the opportunity to argue that in a brightly lit room for about twelve hours with a couple of the RCMP's finest.
I'm sure it will never happen.

Think back to the comment that Gerry Ritz made in jest in what was supposedly a private conferance call and the garbage that the MSM put him through. Scott Reid writes this in a newspaper for all to read. Did any of the MSM even mention this crap with Scott Reid? If I sent a letter to the editor of a newspaper saying the same things about Jack Layton, I bet the RCMP would come by to see me. And it wouldn't likely be a pleasent experiance. Reid should face the wrath of the law on this one. Of all the crap that went on with this coalition, this upset me the most.

And by the way, section 13 shouldn't exist therefore it should never be used.
It's a police matter or not a police matter.

Steven harper has cut my taxes, supported our troops and most importantly allowed Western Canada to be part of the National political process.
These unethical scribblers are just trying to point the responsibilty away from the enemies of our Nation.
It's a fine day for a rally!
What's so terribly wrong about stopping the tax payer funding of political parties? Think about it! why should tax payers fund any group with an axe to grind from the right or left?
They really can't attack that, so they attack the person. That is all that is going on and if we cut out the wide ranging topics and clearly focus on facts, that stands out.
Many years ago Saul Alinsky wrote in his "rules for radicals, "personalize the attack", that is what they are doing.
The one truly damaging individual in this horror story is Jack Layton. Notice how he is sitting back, not quite being heard from while all the big guns fire at each other? He leads a group that has some on board who have a lot of experience at skulduggery.
He may be less than a good Canadian, he would never make a good leader, but he is a damn fine schemer!
Led by the ugly little minds at CBC a lot of people in the media are the problem rather than being a part of the solution

"How could anyone suggest as these two clown did that Liberals behind closed doors emerging to tell Canadians before a throng of reporters who "they have chosen" by secret vote to be Canada's next PM is in any way legitimate and a choice."

It is becoming abundantly clear listening to the media that they believe that the polls we saw this week were solely because Dion was leading the Libs. I think both the media and the coalition think that with another leader, the Coalition would be very popular with Canadians.

How can they be so stupid!!

To take anything Scott Reid says seriouslty means you are sitting in the same Politics 101 class he is continually repeating.

Everything that Paul Martin touched outside of a budget is tainted by mania....including Mme Jean. Yes despite doing her job, in the rear view mirror doesnt it just strike you as the only reasonable option, to accept her First Minister advice, she is hardly qualified for the position to substitute her judgement.

What I find amazing is that the media are now forgetting she accepted the PM's advice, which could have been election or hand over to the coalition or pass the sugar.

She is a the face on the office. Such an ahistorical country, the left side of this country runs away from any inheritance from the UK until such time as it suits their needs for the moment.

The GG did her job, no more no less.

"I have to support Scott Reid on this one because I believe in freedom of speech. He was talking metaphorically, and I hate the orwellian speech law."

There's nothing wrong with making them drink their own urine! Until these egregious laws are GONE off the books we need to use these bastards' tactics against them.

Censored by the Toronto Star !

I've just logged into the Torstar's website, ready to comment on their editorial Time for Dion to step down.

I get through the login process, and I can vote (agree/disagree/offensive) on other comments already posted, but when I click on submit comment, I get nowhere ?!

Anybody else have this happen to them, or suggest what I may be doing wrong ?

Liberals clinically mad, concludes top shrink
Eminent psychiatrist makes case that leftist thinking is a mental disorder

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56494

WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.

"Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded," says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness." "Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."

While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to "the vast right-wing conspiracy."

For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.

Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.

"A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do," he says. "A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation's citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do."

Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:

creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;

satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;

augmenting primitive feelings of envy;

rejecting the sovereignty of the individual,

subordinating him to the will of the government.

"The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind," he says.

"When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious."

It's obvious that Reid was speaking figuratively.

So why is it necessary for the Changealition's Ministry of Truth to attempt to purge the quotation from the public memory?

The error is to make such an attempt when it is not technically possible. The Great Cache in the Ether has already archived it out of reach of the G&M editorial staff. The braintrust in our media performs for our public entertainment the journalistic equivalent of hopping in a white Ford Bronco and heading for the Mexican border.

Context is important, If you print that your "I support the coalition rally" bombed. The cop's could detain you for twelve hours demanding to know the definition of bombed. Maybe Im wrong but it really bites when they drag right wingers through the legal mud for what we say, how else can we expect to get continue to get gems like beer and popcorn.

Gerry Nicholls asks the question

Are the Conservatives worth Defending

Head over and tell him Yes because the left have discovered the question.

http://gerrynicholls.blogspot.com/2008/12/are-tories-worth-defending.html

Albert Girl said... "It is becoming abundantly clear listening to the media that they believe that the polls we saw this week were solely because Dion was leading the Libs. I think both the media and the coalition think that with another leader, the Coalition would be very popular with Canadians."

CBC Newsworld this morning is putting out the most positive spin for the coalition, reporting that Canadians are "clearly divided" on support for the gov't vs support for the coalition. Put on screen was the EKOS poll, showing 43% support prorougation while 43% don't. The next screen shows 64% of Canadians don't want Dion leading the country -- now made easy for the CBC since the horse has already left the barn on the future of Dion's "leadership".

The new message track will be that with Dion having resigned, the coalition is now legitimate once again. Proof of this is how they're making no mention of the Ipsos poll that shows the second preferred option to Harper governing is not the coalition taking power, but an election instead, which makes Dion's resignation completely irrelevant. Ipsos' numbers showing plummeting Liberal and NDP support was also ignored. For the CBC, mentioning those results would have a pejorative effect on the coalition their pushing.

Oops, that's 45% support, 43% don't.

just over at the CBCpravda site. the headlines of the whole week have disappeared. not a mention of a rally anywhere.

I suspect by tonight they will have pictures of pro-coalition rallies photoshopped to the tune of thousands and likely one picture of Calgary .

Shaken, I agree with you. The thing to remember about the Blob & Snail is, they just aren't that bright. They think its still 1980 and they can still control what's out there. They can't seem to understand this whole "Google cache" thing.

Do I think Scott Reid plans to actually kill Stephen Harper? No way, he doesn't have the stones and neither does Stephie. Would the Blob & Snail make it front page news if a conservative made such a figure of speech about Dion? Oh, absolutely!

The B&S is preemptively covering their butt because they think conservatives are scummy retards like they are.

Based on their own rationale for a coalition, the Bloc holds the balance of power. The coalition can only function under the Bloc's veto power.

The war needs to be re-positioned. It's not the left vs. the right. Or, the unions vs. the free world.

It's Quebec vs. Canada. Or more appropriately, the Separatists vs. Canada.

With this positioning they will be crushed, with no way out.

If the only arguement against your policies is that "it's not fair" and "you're mean" then you're doing a pretty good job.
It's so funny how the lefties love to quote Sun Tzu but when someone pushes back they get all teary eyed. Suck it up buttercup!
It's time Canadians learned there is not such thing as government money. It's taxpayer money. Every cent of it. If you want it, earn it. I do!

I suspect the Rally For Canada events to be somewhat smaller with average Canadians going about their day-to-day lives, feeling that prorougation has removed the urgency of the situation. Understandable considering how sick of this whole thing everyone is.

That said, watch for the MSM spin at the conclusion of today's events: "While the events to show support for the Harper gov't were much smaller than many analysts had expected, by contrasts their was a 'sea of humanity' out in 'full force' to support the coalition."

With it there will be a lot of zoomed in shots of protesters supporting the coalition packed in tightly together while the crews dispatched to cover the Rally For Canada events will be strategically placed at the back and at angles where the crowds naturally thin out.

Well, unfortunately for the Peg, we're expecting windchills in the -30 and colder range so kudos to all who will attend there. That being said, don't forget to mention how they will point out how they're conservative staffers, and the conservative astro turf war machine is hard at work. Idiots - they would't see grass roots unless they did a face plant into the golf green.

How can they be so stupid!!

That's it! They think that Canadians are stupid!

They should use it for a campaign slogan. Cabnadians wouldn't even notice.

The Phanton, for the G&M, Reid's rallying cry to "kill" PMSH is no biggie but conservatives referring to Dalton McGuinty as an "evil reptilian kitten-eater from another planet" is just pure evil.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030912.wonta0912/BNStory/National/

It would be interesting to hear from Douglas Christie how the Western Block 's Petition for Western Separation is filling up.

No MSM even dares mention it.

Newsmedia Canada's leftist GATEKEEPERS

Never forget it was Quebec who gave us the flq, never forget one of its killers ran for the ndp.

The Ligue de Défense has referred to itself as the "Nouveau FLQ."

Don't forget we have many terrorist sympathizers on the left.

Send in a copy of Reid's missive to all the coalition supporters of note, the media, including the G&M (you dropped this, sir, it fell outta your briefcase). Plug up CTV and CBC email boxes with it.

We could then post a poster with Reid's mug on it and a reward "Wanted Dead or Alive".

Send a copy to Duffy and that Neuman dork.

"Kill him. Kill him dead. Do not, whatever you do, provide him with an opportunity to extend his hold on power. Because you can be damn certain he will never again be so reckless as to give you a chance to finish him off."

It seems to me that if Scott Reid is openly advocating "Kill him dead." in reference to the Prime Minister maybe he was one of the Toronto 17 or is it Toronto 18?

Here we have a country in which the Toronto 17 are on trial for a plot against the Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Scott Reid comes out in the G&M newspaper supporting the call to kill Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Pretty good optics of the LIEberals supporting a patently terrorist cause. And when is Scott Reid's trial for his plot against the Prime Minister to "Kill him dead."?

Just asking because as we all know plots of treason to the Crown are apparently illegal.

And just when are the RCMP going to arrest Scott Reid for questioning in connection with his advocacy to "Kill him dead."? And does Scott Reid have any connection to the Toronto 17?

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
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Criminal Code
PART VIII: OFFENCES AGAINST THE PERSON AND REPUTATION
Assaults

Uttering threats

264.1 (1) Every one commits an offence who, in any manner, knowingly utters, conveys or causes any person to receive a threat

(a) to cause death or bodily harm to any person;

(b) to burn, destroy or damage real or personal property; or

(c) to kill, poison or injure an animal or bird that is the property of any person.

Punishment

(2) Every one who commits an offence under paragraph (1)(a) is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding eighteen months.

Idem

(3) Every one who commits an offence under paragraph (1)(b) or (c)

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 38; 1994, c. 44, s. 16.

Criminal Code
PART XIII: ATTEMPTS — CONSPIRACIES — ACCESSORIES

Counselling offence that is not committed

464. Except where otherwise expressly provided by law, the following provisions apply in respect of persons who counsel other persons to commit offences, namely,

(a) every one who counsels another person to commit an indictable offence is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an indictable offence and liable to the same punishment to which a person who attempts to commit that offence is liable; and

(b) every one who counsels another person to commit an offence punishable on summary conviction is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 464; R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 60.

Reid made a mistake, the Globe shouldnt just "disappear it". The Globe should actually retract and apologize and condemn, the way they used to do it before. Thats integrity, not removing it like it was a draft document.

Don't editors read these things before they go up?

So, if Scott Reid's comments to Kill the Prime Minister. Kill him dead published in public media for all to see and be influenced by is simply poaradoxical and so the good old media simply shrug it off

why then was our Ag Minister's off the cuff comment about Wayne Easter in a PRIVATE conversation made into front page headlines complete with demands he resign??????

Our major media have absolutely no scruples, no morals and no shame. In other words - they too are Liberals.

hanging traitors would be a good idea.

Russ at 10:50, thanks for pointing to Rossiter's book which might help to explain what motivates today's "progressives". The excerpts you have given are exactly in line with an excellent speech on the same subject by
Evan Sayet which you might also enjoy.

Just Now: Freudian Slip Or Full Disclosure???

CBC's Julie Van Dusen publically admits on national TV that she IS a Liberal:

When talking about the Liberal Party's present situation she says 'WE are presently in a Leadership race".

Nowhere to hide Julie. Now, if the rest of the CBC talking heads would be just as honest don't you think? How about it - Peter Mansbridge, Don Newman, Peter Boag, - time to come out of the closet???

Alberta Girl: Harper IS a bully and a control freak. You don't have to be a Chretien fanboy to recognize that. He can't seem to control himself. And that inability cost us a majority government in October, and directly precipitated the Liberals deciding that Layton's coalition was worth the attempt. Harper is teetering between being an asset or a liability to the conservative (small "c") movement in Canada, and I fear he will tip to liability before the next election. We are in serious trouble if he doesn't get some control over HIMSELF.

Steffie needs help

www.cp24.com

'Yes I think Dion should lead the Coalition.'

Tarpaper

In the political context, the figurative cry was to kill the king. As much as I can't stand watching this guy, his comments must be taken in a political context.

Reid is correct about one thing. This may have been their only chance.

A coup like this may have worked before the peons had a way to voice their displeasure and historically has worked many times.

But the attempt to kill the king utterly failed and now their only recourse is to ratchet up the character assassination of the king.

Once again, we saw the attempt of impostors, pretending to be long-time supporters of the king, attempting to influence the peons that it was now time to replace the king.

That attempt has also failed and now the coalition has nowhere to turn as the coalition starts turning the knives onto themselves.

Long live the king!

djb: Are you SURE you remember the Chretien days?

If you think PM Harper is somehow a "bully" in comparison you really are delusional.

And, for those of us who remember Trudeau - the so called Liberal God - he never ever got more than 38% of the vote and was and is HATED across this country to this very day. He treated Canadians with utter elite disdain - but moreso he damaged our country and millions of people to the depths.

Je me souviens. We remember.

I live amongst lefties, I find many have a permanent "siege mentality" as if the world is a cesspool and crumbling around them. Really quite extreme considering how fortunate we are in Canada. I mean where is it better? Bangladesh? Russia? Somalia?

The predictable has happened: the big guns are trained on the Liberals, sepratists and the MSM.

Time to swing the barrels and acquire new targets - the NDP. Jack! is getting a free ride here. The "plotter" needs to acquire the fear of the Lord from the wrath of Canadians. All his union buddies need a slap up side of the head and a lesson on what real democracy is all about. The kind that they don't practice in the union halls.

I for one will boycott CAW products, bail out or no bailout, Toyota or other foreign manufacturers will now benefit. I'll check every item that I buy for the moniker "union made". I won't buy it. I will pressure my provincial premier to rein in public sector wages and benefits and demand that they cut staff in these tough times. I want these freeloaders to feel my pain. I pay their over compensation, they work for me. I want the heavy hand of government reduced from what's left of my paycheck.

What is this need of the left to have a pussy asskisser for PM? Harper knocked them all on their asses, with one punch. My money is on Harper, the only one who can lead Canada through this economic downturn, and give us pride back in our country.

Angelo Persichilli was just interviewed on ctv,on the future of the coalition.Some highlights from interview:
All libs agree Dion has gotta go
Clear split in party between Rae/Iggy camps
LIB SENATORS ARE BACKING RAE AND WILL BE USED TO IMPOSE 'SOMETHING THAT LIBS DON'T LIKE'
So...I guess that's why rae has been so cocky!He's counting on the Sen.to ram this down some throats.

djb-- Is that you Scott Reid? BTW- You're fired. Signed the Duffster

"Alberta Girl: Harper IS a bully and a control freak. You don't have to be a Chretien fanboy to recognize that. He can't seem to control himself. And that inability cost us a majority government in October, and directly precipitated the Liberals deciding that Layton's coalition was worth the attempt. Harper is teetering between being an asset or a liability to the conservative (small "c") movement in Canada, and I fear he will tip to liability before the next election. We are in serious trouble if he doesn't get some control over HIMSELF."

Well djb, Marie gave my comment, but I will give it again. Chretien, the hero of the left, the small guy from Shawinigan, the street-fighter of politics, the guy who is lauded as carrying the Liberal party to three straight majorities was a Bully.

So how come when he called elections at opportune moments - your ilk said he was smart.

How come when he progogued parliment to escape the auditor general's report on adscam - no one said that he was "locking the doors" of parliament or "subverting democracy" or - as I heard one comment emailed to CBC this morning - cooking up a backroom deal with the GG to shut down democracy.

Harper is a leader - a leader needs to lead - he needs to be tough when it is called for and he needs to make decisions that might not be popular with everyone; but are best for the country in the long term.

So get over yourself djb and realize that Harper is the best prime minister this country has had in a long time - and I think the recent outrage, confirmed in the many, many polls taken by leading pollsters confirms that.

BTW - =for your reading pleasure - here is the article regarding Chretien "shutting down parliament". Still think Harper is wrong?

PM Shuts Down Parliament
Chretien likely to hand over reins sooner to Martin

Bill Curry
CanWest News Service

Thursday » November 13 » 2003

OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Jean Chretien officially shut down Parliament on Wednesday, saddling his successor Paul Martin
with a host of unfinished bills associated with the Chretien "legacy."

Among the most significant bills to die with the prorogation of the second session of the 37th Parliament is Bill C-34,
creating an independent ethics commissioner; Bill C-38, decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana; and
Bill C-49, which moves up the creation of seven new ridings to April 1, 2004.

The next sitting day of the House of Commons is set for Jan. 12, but the date could be changed at any time by the prime
minister. Chretien continued to dance around the subject of his retirement date however, stating he will meet with
Martin on Tuesday to discuss transition.

Insiders say Chretien's choice of Jan. 12 -- two weeks before the first scheduled sitting day of 2004 according to the
parliamentary calendar -- is a sign he intends to retire before then.

On the first day back, the prime minister is required to present a speech from the throne for the new session.
Presenting such a speech would be a controversial move for Chretien if he intended to remain prime minister until
February as previously stated.

Chretien downplayed the fact several bills he had promised to pass in last September's throne speech will now die,
pointing out the Commons can revive them when the new session begins.

"They are not in limbo. They are postponed until January," he said. "All the parties voted for all those bills in the
House of Commons, so I presume that they will pass them."

Martin spokesperson Scott Reid said the announcement means the Martin team will begin preparing a throne speech in the
event Chretien retires before Jan. 12.

"We'll have to wait for the fog to clear on Tuesday," he said, in reference to the transition meeting.

Reid would not commit Martin to passing all legislation that died Wednesday. While he stated Martin will not bring back
C-7, the First Nations Governance Act, in its current form, Reid declined comment on any other bills.

"I'm not going to do the dance of the seven veils. We will have to evaluate this. We just learned the House is going to
be prorogued, so we will have to find out on Tuesday what precisely the implications are of that," he said. "And then
we will make decisions from there."

Is there any venue out there to voice our support for Stephen Harper specifically? I keep hearing things like "this is all about Harper.....the conservatives should dump Harper, etc." I think we need to stomp on the infighting before it gets out of control, especially in these turbulent politcal times, no?

Whenever I see comments like this coming from a left-of-centre type, I think 'what would the response be if a right-winger said it'. I think we all know the response.

djb, you need to get that there are no (c)onservatives in Canada. Those are only pussies. In today's political environment you are either a (C)conservative or you're leftist bait.

You have said it all Sam, Thank you!

"Harper IS a bully and a control freak."

Dion manages to hide it with his ineffectual and ridiculous appearance, but I'd say he's a genuine control freak. He was rejected by the public, embarasses and damages his own party, yet he refuses to step down and allow rebuilding to begin. And he has gone ahead with this idiotic coalition so he can be prime minister. I'd say that's a bully and a control freak.

Who cares what the teat sucking, trough wallowing P.O.S. said. He is yesterday's news. He does not matter. He has finished off what little was left of his pathetic career.

No matter what happens now, nobody is going to employ that sack o shit as he is now pure poison.

These are good times......one by one the bigoted jerk off's are losing their spot at the trough.......you had to expect them to put up a fight, eh!

Pity it never occurs to libs that if Martin had been a leader instead of trying to be a nice guy he might have survived Adscam.
Harper is leader. He leads. Thats the job. Get it through your thick skulls.
I quite like a guy that has the guts to tell the Chinese their human rights record sucks.
When he's on the international stage he's representing Canada, not the UN, or Power Corp. or some mushy third way bullshit that only gets more peasants killed.
Leader. Leads.

I just watched the CTV news. 3minutes of video of Dion talking at a rally in Toronto. Audio was of a conservative rally in Ottawa. I guess no video of a con. rally was available. Questions were of the "How much anger is there at Steven Harper?" variety.
CTV all liberal all the time.

I'm a strong Conservative supporter but I want an election that has only one Coalition candidate per riding facing each Conservative opponent. I concede that such a move would heighten the chances of the Coalition by eliminating vote splitting. So why do I want this? Because it's long overdue to get resolved the most important question in our country: "Which direction do we want to head?"

Those on the far right have been sure. Those of us on the moderate right have been sure. But everyone left of that has been in LaLaLand about what they want. The only thing they think they're sure of is that Stephen Harper is an "evil maniac". And why do they think this? Because they've had a beer with him and saw horns growing out of the top of his head? No, it's because this is the image that the mainstream media has provided to them, day after day, month after month, year after year.

So decision time is near. Not for us on the right. It's clear how we'll vote. Rather, it's time for those on the left to put their money, their livelihoods, and the future of their children on the line and decide whether they REALLY feel that a government run by liberals, socialists, and separatists is in their best interest.

pretty much bang on as I predicted. CBCpravda reporting on the procoalition rallies with numbers "thousands" last time you could see it was less than two hundred.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/06/political-rallies.html

CBCpravda All Lieberal All the Time.

note that they do not call the coaltion a Liberal/NDP minority - its smaller than the CPC.they seem to have problems counting on all things.

Stephen at 10:45am. A little technicality here is that the GG has not requested the leader of the oppositiion to inquire if he can form a government until that request is made said coalition is actually conspiring to overthrow a sitting government. Only a technicality, but hell so was Pearl Harbour.

Seems to me this is being overplayed just a little bit. I remember one time long ago uttering the same words about one of my competition, kill the bastard, kill him dead, cut his goddamned throat and bury him. Him personally, physically, No, the situation, and we did but he is quite alive and doing well. A lot of this post sounds like a bunch of hyper active bleating liberals. Did I miss something?

Liberals are beyond desperate. All the stops are pulled out. Media pals are in high revolution spin mode. Liberals trying to Pin the Tale on the Dionkey.

It's not just about Dion: Canadians are fuming - they are breathing fire, actually - because the truth is that Liberals will fornicate with the separatists, we can see that now.

The Power Borg - the man who does not have the chance of a snowball in Hell to be elected in Ontario - is at the helm now, steering the Barbadian-flagged Liberal ship onto the Reef of Oblivion.

The Liberals fear Harper more than they love their country.

It's astounding that criticizing Harper immediately labels one a leftoid or Liberal in the SDA altiverse. I've voted Reform, CA and Conservative since Reform began.
I'm not comparing Harper to any other Prime Minister, or any other current political leader. I'm judging him on his actions and words. If he doesn't get a majority in the next election, and it's entirely possible he won't given his record of being unable to resist doing and saying stupid things solely to piss off his opponents, then he needs to resign or we (the conservative voters in Canada, and particularly in the west) will find ourselves well and truly screwed.

You are right ET wrt "no vote".

The Lib/NDP coalition needs only to make the bribe large enough when ever they require the Bloc vote. They could potentially cancel an election completely if they could strike a deal with the Bloc. Then the only thing standing in their way would be the Senate; and that's a SCARY thought.

DJB, your acting like Dion, you don't know when you're beat. Now put in your call to SEPARATIST Duceppe and tell him thanks for helping out the coalition.

Liberal senators throwing support behind Rae?

What a gift this would be.

Anybody from Ontario willing to venture a guess as to how many seats the Conservative Party would grab in the next election?

Current standing is 51 of 100 seats Conservative, with polls showing 52% current support for the Conservative Party.

Go ahead, senate, make your move!

I support Prime Minister Harper.

Christians need to pray for this man as he needs our prayers.

Athiests keep those emails and calls going out.

Pray for peace but prepare for war.

set you free... Rae might not be needed for the Tories to nearly sweep Ontario. If the latest polls are correct, the Tories might win 90 seats in the province including a majority in Toronto itself.

The Liberals really shot themselves in the foot with thise one. Most English Canadians hate the Bloc like nothing else.

The pro-Separatist Coalition MSM.

MSM/CTV buries this:

"In Ottawa, CTV's John Hua reported that a large anti-coalition rally had brought thousands of "regular Canadians" to Parliament Hill in the bitter cold on Saturday,".

MSM/CTV spins here:

""They are just saying that people here are for Stephen Harper, but for the most part they are here for democracy," he told CTV Newsnet in a phone interview from Ottawa."
...-

"Dion says Harper 'wasted time on partisan games'"
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081206/coalition_rallies_081206/20081206?hub=QPeriod

Ghost of Ed: Harper is Prime Minister because of the incompetence of the Liberals in reacting to Chretien's treachery, plain and simple. He's made some very elementary errors that have hurt the Conservative party because he won't take counsel from others. If Chretien hadn't stabbed the Liberal Party in the back on his way out the door, there's a very good chance that Harper would be gone as leader by now. He needs to give his head a shake and start behaving like a minority Prime Minister rather than a petty, mean-spirited prick.

From the Star....

"Duceppe said his party would not introduce any non-confidence motions or vote against any budgets or speeches from the throne until the agreement expires but would be free to vote as it wishes on any other legislation."

Does anyone know what the accord specifically states about "abstentions on matters of non-confidence"? Because in reading that, Duceppe doesn't say whether the Bloc will abstain, just that it will not "introduce" motions of non-confidence or support those by the opposition Conservatives. If they abstain, the coalition gov't falls anyway. Isn't this a loophole? Am I wrong? Does anyone know the answer to this question?

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http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/546315

Frankly if Scott Reid was to be butt-f%^ked by a gang of Scotty Brison groupies, after a night of margarita fueled leather-lace debauchery, I wouldn't be happy.

Nor would I be shocked, Scott keeps dangerous, delusioned company. Being a lawyer,(and a man of the Liberal under world) has its downside I guess.

Mery Christmas Scott...you turd!!

Jack Layton is the true villain in this attempt to sidestep the Canadian electorate. In the last election, he talked about reaching out to people at their kitchen table, without revealing he intended to move that table to the backroom.

It is nonsense to infer a vote for the opposition as a vote "against Harper." Only the most blind would view that thought uncritically. Nobody can claim to know the mind of any voter. Many people may have voted Conservative, for instance, despite not liking Mr Harper, it could happen.

More likely, though, which recent polling seems to support, is that many people voted other than Conservative, even though they were fine with PM Harper in a minority government. Polling shows a sea change in that regard, many Canadians seem to now feel more comfortable with a Harper majority, given the alternative, an arrogant attempt at seizure of power, Layton et al telling voters what they meant when they entered the booth, without ever bothering to ask them.

Layton has forever pinned his party's a** to the Liberal machine. He had a chance to replace them, instead he made himself indistinguishable from them.

It amazes me that people like Michael Ignatieff are still trumpeting this coalition nonsense. He arrogantly states that Harper has lost the confidence of parliament, never once considering that his cabal has lost the confidence of the Canadian people.

It is a rare event indeed in Canada that power changes in HofC without election. Our rule, not our exception, is that the leader of the party with the most seats is PM. Disregarding that cannot be taken lightly, with arguments cherry picked, with all others ignored.

It was laughable to hear the MSM say GG agreeing with prorogue was "setting a bad precedent." Total nonsense - no precedent whatsoever was set; the rule was upheld because convention says GG exercises no discretion in advice of prorogue she receives from PM, her chief adviser. Refusing prorogue would have been precedent setting, not the other way around, given that request has never been approved here or any other Commonwealth country.

Does the coalition honestly believe GG would now refuse dissolution if government defeated in January? If they hate Harper so much (which they do, and have only themselves to blame for that), why would they hand him a majority like that?

Are they hoping, once again, for bad news? Why don't they admit their gambit failed and get on with helping parliament function. Their job is to cooperate with the government, rather than the onus being the other way around. The role of the Loyal Opposition is threefold: to assist the government in passing legislation; to criticize the government on point, not to use every policy initiative as an excuse to seize power; and, to be the government in waiting.

They seem to want to be the government in waiting without the inconvenience of an election. IMHO, Canadians don't see it that way at all. Elections are the norm, and only in the rarest and most exceptional of circumstances (such as scandals, closeness in main party's parliamentary support), are elections bypassed for power change.

That is our system, like it or not. Additionally, why do people assume voting patterns don't change when the rules do. If the oppostion had run as a coalition, how can they assume, with a straight face, the popular vote would have gone the same way. By the same token, if we had proportional representation, voter patterns would surely change.

If we had PR when Chretien was PM, running for re-election, is it at least possible that he would have garnered more than 50% of the popular vote, given his popularity as PM?

We may not like results or even our system of governance, but it is ridiculous to change the rules, to use the exception to prove the rule, when it suits us, no matter what our political preferences.

The biggest bully,control freak, and most undemocratic leader by far is Layton. The New DEMOCRATIC Party is anything but.They always vote the party line or else. The only time anyone voted outside the party line was during the free vote on same sex marriage,and then Jack would not allow her to run in the next election...Cbc just gave Gerard Kennedy 6 minutes of airtime to hype the liberal party,pathetic.

MSM/CTV buries this:

"In Ottawa, CTV's John Hua reported that a large anti-coalition rally had brought thousands of "regular Canadians" to Parliament Hill in the bitter cold on Saturday

HT/Maz

I just watched that particular CTV clip and it was amazing in that there was no footage of the Anti-Coalition rally and they showed Dion with no volume speaking during the Anti reporting. All the questions were slanted in a biased direction as well.

Can sure understand why in troubling times, the media get targeted. "
When you've got a dog in the fight, you're in it."

Gerard Kennedy- Food Bank poverty industry supporter just said on TV that the entire coalitions NEW and BETTER economic crisis budget information is available to ALL Canadians to see.

Does anyone know where we can actually read this document?

Does it also spell out the bribes to Quebec through the BLOC such as $1.2 Billion MORE and every single demand Duceppe said he made.

If this is all spelled out and they really want to make parliament work and this is really about Canadians and the economy then why would they not bring these proposals to the government to work together for all of us.

Heh. We know the answer don't we. Cracks are showing up. Union leaders are bragging that this was their idea with Jack Layton even before the ELECTION.

Do ya think Harper knew this too and that is why he called the election?

DJB, I'll agree with you to a point. Harper does turn off some voters. Still I'd rather he be himself than turn into another phony politician.
If you look at the surface, is this the fight you would pick? Party financing is pretty small potatoes in the big picture.
But, if you know there's a coalition on the horizon, (Layton has admitted it was a long time in the making), it's really pretty clever. You draw them into the fight of your choosing that's entirely self-serving.
I have a friend that generally votes Liberal who was pretty unhappy to find out his tax dollars are supporting political parties. He's really unhappy to find he's keeping the Greens and BQ in business.
He suggested that we need a law stating that to sit as a party in parliament you need to run in a certain percentage of ridings in every province. So Scary Steve has got the soft Liberals going "Hey wait a minute, what's going on here? We need to rethink this."
That can't be a bad thing.

Refusing prorogue would have been precedent setting, not the other way around, given that request has never been approved here or any other Commonwealth country.

Sorry for typo, should read that prorogue request has never been REFUSED

Thank you, Globe and Mail, for demonstrating to us all the vast gulf of professionalism that separates the considered commentary of mainstream opinion from the vicious rhetoric that permeates the blogosphere.
lol Good full nelson applied to the bums.

Haven't had time to read all the comments, so my apology if this has been covered.
It's very telling that the press would take an impersonal, wreckless, of the record comment like Ritz's and drag it out and spin it,
yet...
totally ignore a very determined, personal attack in the written record such as this, directed at the Prime Minister of our country.
I choose to not give Reid the time of day.
MSM has other reasons for giving him a free pass.
MSM is useless.

morgan - the govt only falls on confidence votes, which are votes which are about the budget or financial issues. The Bloc is declaring that it will ensure that the Coalition will not fall.

And that's without even seeing the content of the budget or financial Motion. That's a violation of democracy and their parliamentary duties. They aren't supposed to set up pre-hoc agreements about the nature of votes.

antenor - right, the coalition is conspiring to overthrow an existing government. And, refusing to take their coalition to the people. They are setting up their coalition such that, with the bribed support of the Bloc, it can't be put to the people.
That's both a violation of our democratic rights and also, an abuse of parliament.

It amazes me that a person can encourage people to kill a sitting Prime Minister, to put him in his grave and nothing happens.

If I said similar stuff about Layton or Deuceppe, never mind Twinkle Toes, I'd have cops at my home, my guns would be confiscated and valuables would vanish or be broken in the "investigation".

Bad stuff this.

But if we don't kill Harper now look at what will happen!

http://harperdictatorship.ca/

Liberal propaganda hitman Scott Reid's recent unhinged, extreme and dangerous utterance isn't anything new for him.

Scott's always been of that mindset. That's why I call him a "hitman", just as I thusly call Warren Kinsella. This is why I'm so harsh when talking about their nasty, vicious, lying-and-cheating-like-crazy ilk.

And it's why Harper is the kind of PM we see. He knows that if he doesn't figuratively kick the Librano scumbags when they're down, then they'll get up and attack him like pitbulls, sure as the sun rises and then sets.

Harper knows how to deal with those bullies. And it's not just the "hitmen" who are bullies. Remember Chretien and Martin? And just watch Dion spew pure, vicious, dishonest bull, proving that he's no better.

The right way to deal with those Leftist revolutionaries is to always remember what they are and what they will do to regain executive power to direct the Leftist-dominated state apparatus as to what radically extreme crap to submissively, obediently, unquestioningly, unthinkingly impose onto us all (noticed how petulantly disobedient they've been of the Conservatives, in contrast, proving what I just said?).

Harper knows the stakes and realizes that in Canada, federal politics is actually a non-violent WAR waged by people in suits.

Never, never trust Leftists like the Liberals, NDP and Bloc. They will stop at nothing, ultimately, to regain and abuse executive power, for nothing short of Hard-Left totalitarianism will ever make them rest. Just watch them impatiently, desperately, furiously trying to undemocratically overthrow the duly-elected government shortly after its election... as we speak!

Shannow: Are you suggesting that the party finance cut proposal was deliberate, based on foreknowledge of the coalition? Then was the arts funding cut that lost seats in Quebec also deliberate? The "there are some deals to be had" comment was deliberate, too? It's fascinating to think Harper may be playing so far ahead of the field, but we're not in Asimov's Foundation series here, and I don't believe it. Were it true, he'd already have his majority.

The coalition is a horrible idea, and I wrote to the GG asking her to send us to the polls rather than give it the government, but to suggest that Harper deliberately placed Canada in the current political disaster as part of a long-term strategy boggles the mind. I can't give it any credibility.

The simpler answer is almost always true, and in this case the simpler answer is that he just couldn't resist an ill-timed attempt to cripple his political opponents. It's who he is.

Are there any book store repositories near Parliament hill? In which a crazed, mad, skinny ghost of a French madman, is waiting to exact his revenge? See there on the grassy Knoll? Its Jack Layton!
Seriously I think he meant a political death. Though if this has been written in the 14nth century. Scott Reid could look forward to being hung than drawn & quartered while still alive.
Until hanging to the death it would have been an axe to the neck for the elites. Treason has a way of pissing off people. He should have qualified his statements. In this day of the censor with a rabid bull such as the CHRC you have to or a black Maria will pull up in the night.

harperdictatorship.ca

Click through to the forums among Liberals. The discussion is hilarious. Here's a good one:

I dont know what kick this girl is on, but I cant remember the last time I saw a politician so eager for the limelight...(and thats saying a lot)...

AJoseph92
Lurker

Thread Title: Ruby Dhalla is a joke.

1. Rumor is during the last election, she allegedly went on radio and proclaimed she would run for Liberal leadership when the election was done....I cannot confirm this because the interview was not in english...

2. Her website is gratituous self promotion...The intro has since been deleted but up until last week, it was filled with flashing text like, "Charismatic"..."Articulate"..."Innovative..." CRAP!
Talking and being able to move your hands at the same time isnt the lone classification to make you charismastic...

3. Allegedly she offered herself for dates to raise money for Ignatieff's campaign...

4. Youre a chiropractor...not a doctor...

ET, the Blocks entire pupose is to be a violation parliamentary duties. The Libs should know better than to go along with this nonsense.
And lets not hang Steph out for this. He's interim leader because no one else wanted the job. There is no way he has the pull to get the Libs into the coalition.
I think some light needs to be shone on the back-room players. The Libs need a good purge but if Adscam didn't convince them of that then nothing will.

Truth, bad taste, joke or not - where is the liberal outrage? Only days ago - BCL and the "Lying Jackel" reported a comment to the police that didn't even relate to them. LJ has a habit of it (drama).

NOW his blog is SILENT on this threat to PM Harper. What gives Worn?

But since the RCMP could NOT find the internet address of a CHRC staffer using someone else's account to post on neo-nazi websites - this being on the MSM should be easy for them to trace????

Scott Reid should be charged with inciting to kill the Prime Minister !

Reid's disgusting behavior is typical of Liberals with an axe to grind and a big mouth .. they seem to think they can say or do anything in the name of "liberalism" with impunity.

I dare say if anyone wrote an article suggesting that a Muslim be killed the police would act instantly !

... yet another lefty with "Harper Derangement Syndrome"

"Joe of East York: :If you want a measure of how much Harper and his extreme right wing politics have damaged democracy, it is in the loss of someone like Dion from the political scene. I am certain that my statement will have our distinguished and articulate commentators on the right spitting with their usual bile. However, if you actually look at what Stephane Dion has done for the country, you find a person who is a strong Federalist and Nationalist, who has a keen intellect, and has made significant contributions to keeping all of Canada strong and united through the Clarity Act (Bill C-20). The problem, however, (and again thanks to Harper), is that we now have a political environment in Ottawa that operates on the emotional and intellectual level of the World Wrestling Federation thanks to the CPC. When good people cannot contribute, and the political equivalent of Vince McMahon prevails as leader, then Democracy suffers. Harper makes a good show of right wing fantasy, but is not a real leader."

"Joe in East York sums it up quite concise and clear.The poisoned arrows from Harper`s bow killed any chances for Stephane Dion to do his job.His performance at the worst of times outshone the best of these low underhanded Harper tactics,who follows the slimy American tactics of lies character assasination,as we witnessed again during their last election campaign.Harper felt threatened by Dion`s intellect,because he knows he is no match for Dion.He therefore resorts to his cunning and animal killer-instincts.His choice of four letter words,when he tries to scare his MP`s into submission and total obedience,show his adolescence,which he obviously has never been able to outgrow.And something like that wants to rule our country?"

You've got to shake your head and just laugh at the posters in the Red Star and Flop and Wail. It is so true that leftists are all emotion and you can sense their frustration and wet tears as they attempt to defend their heroes. Rarely do you ever read about criticism of specific Conservative policies, its just attacking the mean bully Harper who just isn't a nice man. Its just not fair...followed by bursting into tears, stamping of feet and running from the room into mommy's arms.

djb - "I'm not comparing Harper to any other Prime Minister, or any other current political leader. I'm judging him on his actions and words."

Seems, to me at least, you're being measured by your own yardstick here at SDA. Why would that astonish you?

The old adage is still true (especially for socialists who think they've "won"):

Given enough rope...

"if you actually look at what Stephane Dion has done for the country, you find a person who is a strong Federalist and Nationalist, who has a keen intellect..."

Federalist? Nationalist? That's what a guy in bed with the separatists is now called, is it?

Keen intellect? I've never seen any politician walk into so many low hanging branches.

Liberals are seriously and hopelessly deluded.

Didn't the Liberals steal the Clarity Act from the Reform Party?
As environment minister he named his dog Kyoto.
As leader of the party he got his head handed to him.
I'm sure he's a really nice guy. Very fair.

I think that it is quite obvious that by "kill Harper" Reid meant politically. In all fairness, the Coalition did their best to do this. Their plans were thwarted by the GG agreeing to prorogue Parliament.

Imo, the GG felt that although the Coalition would have been on firm ground constitutionally, this would have been undemocratic politically as the Bloc were giving the NDP/Liberals "carte blanche" concerning confidence votes. In this context, the coalition proposal was just bizarre, PERIOD.

I find it humorous that the G+M removed Reid's article. I don't think it was removed so much due to hate speech concerns. I think it was removed due to the consequences Reid spoke of if it failed, which it did when Parliament was prorogued. Now, they'll just carry on spinning this dead horse coalition thingie-do.

djb - the simpler answer is most always true? I don't think that Ockham's point was exactly that. I could easily say that the simple answer about you, is that you have a biased view of Harper.

I think it's equally a simple answer that Harper knew about the coalition plans to take down the govt on a fiscal or confidence vote and immediately insert their own unelected 'government' - which was set up so that it would not be put before the Canadian electorate for almost two years. They had a signed agreement with the Bloc that it would support them through any of their own 'confidence votes'.

Can you imagine - these three parties were setting it up so that one party would vote for them, always, even without seeing the content of the Motion? Heh - how's that for democracy.

I think Harper knew and he smoked them out, by setting up a fiscal motion that he knew would do the job of bringing them into the open - ie, taking away their previous subsidies that they rely on, because they don't get any money from private donors. With that announcement, he knew they would vote it down..and he got them to go public. This publicity provided shock, not only among the Liberals who hadn't heard of it, but among the Canadian people...who are, in the majority, furious about this abuse of their vote and this violation of our democracy.

Can you imagine, the Bloc, a separatist party, relies on the Canadian taxpayer to fund over 80% of its costs? We are funding them...to spit on us and our nation. Hmmm.

So, it's a simple answer. There's no need for you to add other clairvoyant scenarios, such as the arts funding - which are completely different.

After all, this coalition was a private, planned deal, with Layton, Dion, Duceppe and probably some union leaders involved. Not at all similar to cutting arts funding which doesn't involve any smoke-filled plotters in a backroom.

"I'm not going to stand by and let a separatist run my country."

Note: "landowners" includes both rural and urban.
"on both sides of the Ottawa River" includes Quebec.
...-

"Landowners plan Ottawa protest against coalition

Rural landowners are planning a protest rally Monday on Parliament Hill to voice opposition to a proposed coalition government.

The rally, which will involve heavy agricultural and forestry equipment in Ottawa's downtown core, is expected to draw participants from the Upper and Lower Ottawa Valley as well as Leeds and Grenville, Hastings-Prince Edward and the Peterborough area.

Gill Cyr, vice-president of the Leeds and Grenville Landowners Association, said area farmers are poised to protest on Parliament Hill.

"We're getting a lot of calls," said the soybean and wheat farmer who resides between Prescott and Brockville. "We're back on stronger than ever right now. The feeling is that this coalition is going to be terrible for rural Ontario... It has nothing to do with democracy. It's strictly greed."

Protesters are demonstrating against the proposed coalition of the Liberals and the New Democrats, which is to be propped up by the Bloc Quebecois.

"No one I know in rural Canada voted for a coalition that would have a separatist holding the reins of power," said Reg Presley, vice-president of the Prescott Federation of Agriculture. "This is nothing but a power grab by three little men who want to be king.

"They need to know that rural Canada is standing on the outside looking in, and that's why we decided to do it on Monday," he said. "We're not going to let these three clowns railroad us."

The farmers and landowners are part of rallies sprouting up across Canada both against and in support of the proposed coalition government.

A bus from Kingston is to stop in Brockville at 9:30 a.m. until 9:45 a.m. at the Food Basics grocery store before making its next stop at Kemptville's Shoppers Drug Mart, Kemptville at about 10:45, aiming to get to Parliament Hill by noon. It will cost $20 per person for the coach bus, said organizer Connie Fournier. It departs Ottawa at 4 p.m.

Ontario Landowners' associate director Jamie MacMaster said the rally is not just a farm protest.

"This is a call for all rural folks, not just farmers, but small businesspeople, loggers, machinery dealers, construction guys, whatever, on both sides of the Ottawa River to come and stand with us on Monday morning," he said, adding: "I'm not going to stand by and let a separatist run my country."
http://recorder.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1334226

"Anyone wanting more information about
transportation, can e-mail Fournier at contact@freedominion.ca."

ET:

Harper will take responsibility for putting out the bait, which he has now taken off the table.

The power-hungry marxist coalition will have to take responsibility for biting the bait and signing a suicide pact.

Canada carries on, some political parties die.

Pretty simple.

the Globe and Mail is a joke these days. they're devoting one-third of their political commentary space to that jerk Jeffrey Simpson and swooning over separatists in Quebec. like Jeffrey Simpson. man.

djb: I don't know. I certainly wasn't tying the present crisis to the Quebec arts funding.
I wouldn't have thought that was enough money to be a big deal but I guess quebecers vote with their wallet.
At some point the ROC will have to man up and break them of the habit.

Check out Stephane Dion late for the coalition rally in Toronto... humour not lost on supporters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEutatn0dqo

The criticisms from the Leftards, must be critiqued themselves, as, when one scratches below the surface, the truth is there to be seen.

Jack Layton : "Harper didn't listen to us"

Well, it's not his job to take job advice from socialists. He doesn't, and will never represent them, nor do their bidding, unlike Jack, who will do Duceppe's bidding.

"He's mean and arrogant"
Truth? He's brutally honest, and he stays the course. Would we want a mealy mouthed dithering type of leader? Why? Chretien, for all his faults, was an arrogant snot, I couldn't stand him either, but...he was a leader (grudgingly admitted) did I say I couldn't stand him?

We expect our leaders to be strong, and, yes, arrogance comes with the territory. Jack Layton should know that, he's the most arrogant miscreant on parliament hill.

We don't want leaders like Martin (Mr Dithers) or Dion (Beeker), they are inept, weak, and have poor political instincts. Layton's instincts have also been underwhelming lately too, but that hasn't stopped him from removing all doubt as to his ability to be a bigger fool, day after day.

After all, Jack knows what's good for us, doesn't he?

"He should step down"

This is the biggest lie of all. Of course, the leftards want him to step down. He's been a big pain in their ass, and always hits them where it hurts. No wonder they want him gone, he's been effective at weakening them, or opening a trap door, and letting them fall into it. Brilliant.

Harper won't be stepping down anytime soon.

One commenter @ December 6, 2008 12:22 PM, 1:35 PM, 2:10 PM, 3:06 PM, calls Harper:
Harper IS a bully and a control freak.……his record of being unable to resist doing and saying stupid things…..He's made some very elementary errors……..Harper deliberately placed Canada in the current political disaster……….

The commenter is clearly Liberal/socialist despite his claim of being conservative.
He needs to introduce some real, concrete points where Harper did all these things.

The removal of subsidy for the political parties is the right thing to do. If anything, allow for a mistake that it was postponed.

Removal of subsidy from the artsy is the right thing to do. The CBC management are already subsidizing the artsy in Québec with their expense accounts. Allowing for a mistake, it should have been said why this was to be done.

The removal of strike privilege from the federal employees is the right thing to do.
They have to feel the pain with the rest of the population.

…….he just couldn't resist an ill-timed attempt to cripple his political opponents…….
What would be a good time for that one may ask? Next week? Next month perhaps. Maybe a year from now. Maybe he should abandon the idea and sweet talk to them how he admires them.
Actually he should go on and follow the philosophy of Alexander the Great to never give up a good fight and demolish the opposition to smithereens.

Harper is finally doing everything right, by the constitution, by law and parliamentary customs.
That the Liberal/socialist/separatist cabal and their fellow travelers don’t like it and want to change the rules as they go along qualifies for naught.

Last night at a party, there was actually conservative speaking similar nonsense to your agent. The guy is a conservative apparatchik in the area. Sometimes you wander if these people live in a real world, though it is a small town in BC so that may give you some idea, why. After explaining the intricacies of Liberal/socialist/separatist cabla agenda the guy is more agreeable to Harper.

One commenter @ December 6, 2008 12:22 PM, 1:35 PM, 2:10 PM, 3:06 PM, calls Harper:
Harper IS a bully and a control freak.……his record of being unable to resist doing and saying stupid things…..He's made some very elementary errors……..Harper deliberately placed Canada in the current political disaster……….

The commenter is clearly Liberal/socialist despite his claim of being conservative.
He needs to introduce some real, concrete points where Harper did all these things.

The removal of subsidy for the political parties is the right thing to do. If anything, allow for a mistake that it was postponed.

Removal of subsidy from the artsy is the right thing to do. The CBC management are already subsidizing the artsy in Québec with their expense accounts. Allowing for a mistake, it should have been said why this was to be done.

The removal of strike privilege from the federal employees is the right thing to do.
They have to feel the pain with the rest of the population.

…….he just couldn't resist an ill-timed attempt to cripple his political opponents…….
What would be a good time for that one may ask? Next week? Next month perhaps. Maybe a year from now. Maybe he should abandon the idea and sweet talk to them how he admires them.
Actually he should go on and follow the philosophy of Alexander the Great to never give up a good fight and demolish the opposition to smithereens.

Harper is finally doing everything right, by the constitution, by law and parliamentary customs.
That the Liberal/socialist/separatist cabal and their fellow travelers don’t like it and want to change the rules as they go along qualifies for naught.

Last night at a party, there was actually conservative speaking similar nonsense to your agent. The guy is a conservative apparatchik in the area. Sometimes you wander if these people live in a real world, though it is a small town in BC so that may give you some idea, why. After explaining the intricacies of Liberal/socialist/separatist cabal agenda the guy is more agreeable to Harper.

Buddy, just because the guy doesn't love Harper doen't make him a socialist.
He has an valid opinion.
You have a valid opinion.
we need to tear them apart, not us.

Sorry about double comment.

djb: "Harper IS a bully and a control freak."

Give it up.

Harper's no bully. Just because an opponent is focused and principled, moving forward with purpose and a clear concentration on his goals, and doesn't pat you on the back constantly so you feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn't mean he's a bully.

I can see how in the new Canadian dispensation of the past 30 years--"you must be nice, no matter what, all the time"--you might be able to construe Prime Minister Stephen Harper as a bully, but you would be incorrect.

Stephen Harper is extremely self-disciplined and given that the media in Canada is on the lookout for anything he or his party members say in order to misconstrue them to put the PM and his party at a disadvantage, no wonder he has asked for iron-clad discipline in his party. There's a difference between self-discipline and reserve AND being a control freak.

It behooves his enemies to label one of his very fine qualities as exactly the opposite, which leads me to suspect, djb, that you are an enemy of Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

This is not about love of Harper, could not care less if loves him or hates him.
It is about a position in politics.
The guy is writing all those things and does not give an actual deed.
Let him tell what is it that Harper has done an why is it wrong, rather than hot air as it were.
It is not wrong to state your platform. If the conservatives had a plan to reduce art funding, how is it wrong.
That someone thinks that you cannot get elected for having that in your platform, that it is wrong to state it, means only that you don’t want to talk about it because someone may get upset, that would be wrong.
The way it is, you state your platform and then defend it. You absolutely must expect opposition to it. You prepare your arguments ahead of time and go for it.

rd: "I just watched the CTV news. 3minutes of video of Dion talking at a rally in Toronto. Audio was of a conservative rally in Ottawa. I guess no video of a con. rally was available."

There SHOULD have been some video available because I saw a CTV cameraman WITH HIS CAMERA at the Toronto rally. He was standing about 2 feet away and was filming the rally.

And what was with the footage of Dion at his rally while the CTV voice over was about the Pro/Harper/Democracy rallies???? Totally confusing. Methinks that's what CTV wanted to do: confuse their watchers, not admit that the Pro-Canada Rallies were as successful as they were.

And never was the size of the crowd mentioned at the pro-coalition rally in Toronto--some pretty tight shots of the crowd and some side shots of Dion on his podium, sheltered underneath a big canvas tent. That was it.

There were several hundred grassroots supporters at the Pro Canada/Harper/Democracy rally in Toronto at Queen's Park and I've yet to see any footage of it on CTV. Our speakers, among them Peter Kent, CPC Dykstra from St. Catherines, John Tory were not sheltered from the cold wind and snow, and all of the signs were handmade, unlike the union-backed pro-coalition signs.

Grassroots democracy in Canada is on the move! The sleeping giant is awakening!

Jack Layton, Stephane Dion, and Gilles Duceppe: LOOKOUT!!!

batb, thanks for the pointer to the Dion video.

It was atrocious and I'm glad I missed it. Even watching it just now as a scientific curiosity, I found myself drifting off a third the way through. I had already inspected the clearly focused background, so I quit.

batb: Any guess on the numbers at the pro Harper Rally? Canoe says 3000 at the pro coalition rally but only upwards of 500 at Queens Park.
The coalition rally would be at city hall wouldn't it?

batb, what is working in our favor, is the liberal bias of the media and establishment in this country. They reflect their own, ideological view of reality, but not what the great un-washed really think.

It's the old Roman Emperor problem. How does the Emperor get real feedback about the mood of the populace, when those providing it have their own agendas.

To put that into our current situation's perspective: The liberal establishment receives information via its liberal media. They employ the same lenses. People can't possibly believe life would be better with LESS liberal policies.

I'd like to develop this theme but I am with cold and feeling grotty; brain not working swift.

Alberta Girl at December 6, 2008 10:29 AM

Alberta Girl, you spell it out preciesly; Iggy himself recognizes it in a sideways manner. Support B-Ray!

Gerard Kennedy is still a Dion booster. He's a dullard.

I'm glad Dion spoke at the pro-overthrow-of-the-elected-party rally today. He keeps reminding Canadians why we voted his party and him down!

Just back from F'ton rally,turn out about 2oo not a great number but vocal Harper supporters.Did I mention that our fish wrap F'ton gleaner had iggy on front page above the fold proclaiming Stephen Harper dead today.This $hit passes for News here in NB.
I should also mention that Irving owns all the major rags in this province so this all lib all the time $hit gets repeated in St John,Moncton and in several other town of any size,even so we managed to elect 5 conservatives in the last election.So I think we are putting up a fair showing.The scum that pass for media should all have their asses kicked GOOD.

I worry for Dion, I think his psyshe is very fragile. I hope he comes out of this unscathed but I worry that he will do harm to himself and I'm not speaking of his career as a politician. He had very poor advice and those around him will be held responsible.
Most of these Liberals are mentally ill, but in Dion's case he cannot take ridicule. He should have stayed in his irvory tower, not everyone has the disposition to live through such disdain.

"the liberal bias of the media and establishment in this country"

What? Like this? (editorial in Todays Toronto Star):

"Meme of the week: Coup d'etat"

As Canada's constitutional scholars basked in their 15 minutes of fame, calmly explaining the various possible constitutionally permitted outcomes of the week's drama - a significant percentage of the country reacted less rationally. "A coup," they spat - encouraged by Stephen Harper and his minions - in coffee shops and, by the dozens, in comments on newspaper websites. Never mind that the actions of the coalition have been perfectly legal, though undeniably surprising and arguably detrimental to the country; never mind that they were trying to wrest power from a party that received a mere 37.6 per cent of the popular vote. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THE SPUTTERING OF AN UNEDUCATED BUT HARD-DONE-BY VOTER.

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Good one. Insult half the country, and then cry the blues about plummeting readership, subscriptions and stock.

Scumbags. Man, I despise the Star.

i bet snott red is a homo, and would probably firebomb the parliament building to get his way.

"He needs to give his head a shake and start behaving like a minority Prime Minister rather than a petty, mean-spirited prick."

Translation: Wah! Wah! We demand our entitlements! Wah! Agree to our demands or we'll go on strike! Wah!

"I notice that WK was dueling with Tim Powers on Mike Duffy - maybe the Libs were afraid Time might bring up that article!

Poor Scott - first Beer and Popcorn - now death threats....The Libs might do well to suggest he find another career path."

Yeah, but look where "Nat Landow! Dead! Cliff Jackson! Dead!" and a knife plunged into a restaurant table got former Clintonite Rahm Emanuel, currently Obama's Chief of Staff and pitbull.

Maybe that kind of thing plays better in Chicago?

djb, and some others:

Let's take a brief review of Canadian elections over the last 50 or so years. I wasn't born until 1956, so I can't comment on the Diefenbaker years. However, my understanding was that a lot of people were fed up with him in the early 60's, but there was no single burning issue, and the Chief won a minority in 1962. By 1963, discontent with Dief was widespread, and his refusal to allow Bomarc missiles on Canadian soil caused his defeat in the Commons. Despite this issue, and running on a new Flag, Medicare, and the CPP, the Liberals couldn't muster a majority under Nobel prize winner Lester Pearson, and couldn't do the trick in 1965 either.

In 1968, Trudeaumania was the rage (and whatever faults I find with his policies - and there are many - I freely admit that he had style, grace, and eloquence), and he easily outpaced Bob Stanfield to a majority, despite having a relatively united opposition and no single issue to campaign on. This election will be seen to be an anomaly.

By 1972, despite calling in the troops in Montreal, Trudeau was out of favour except in Quebec and urban Ontario, and he barely won a minority (by two seats) over Stanfield. There was no single burning issue during the campaign.

In 1974, with the first serious hit of inflation, the election was fought over wage and price controls. Trudeau's famous campaign line was "Zap, you're frozen!", and he rode that to a renewed majority over Stanfield. Some of us remember that Trudeau instituted those same wage and price controls mere months after being elected, but I digress..

In 1979, with his tenure approaching its constitutional end, Trudeau called an election, and lost to Joe Clark's minority. Once again, there was no galvanizing issue during the election, just a weariness of Trudeau, and Trudeau's quite visible contempt for the electorate, and once again, we had a minority. Djb, are you beginning to see the pattern here?

Later in '79, we had Clark's incompetent arithmetic to account for his defeat in the Commons, and the subsequent election was a failed attempt by the PC's to defend their gasoline tax. Trudeau and the Liberals seized on this, and trounced the Tories with a new majority. Again, Trudeau implemented the same policy he had explicitly campaigned against within months of his election, and again, I digress.

By '84, Canadians were weary of almost two decades of uninterrupted Liberal government, John Turner seemed like a retread (and ran one of the least inspired campaigns in history), and Mulroney seized on his "I had no option" blunder to deliver a massive majority for the PC's.

In 89, Mulroney ran on free trade, and used that issue to win a second majority.

In the 90's, Chretien faced a series of divided right wing parties, and easily won majority governments against his splintered opposition. Once the right wing got their act together in the form of the CPC, Chretien wisely bowed out.

Now, let's look at our last three elections - in no case was there a single lightning rod issue to campaign for or against. And in each case, we ended up with a minority.

Before I go any further - do I think Harper could be a better campaigner? Yes. Do I think some of his decisions, such as the arts funding, were poorly timed? Yes. Do I think he should use his position as PM to exact better conditions on things such as debates (i.e. one-on-one instead of 4-vs.-1 format, etc.)? Yes. Do I think he's by far the best choice available to be PM? Emphatically and decidedly YES.

So the message of Canadian history has been for over five decades, without a single major issue to campaign on and a united opposition, no party has been able to win a majority. The key to a majority is create an issue that your party is on the right side of, and get an election called while the issue is still hot in the public's mind. I think the Tories expected that Adscam was going to give them a walk to majority status, and they ran an uninspired campaign in 2006.

Let's now turn to a fact: The Tories clearly had the NDP's "secret" tape some time before they announced the proposed end to political funding. They knew that if they provoked the opposition enough, some form of coalition proposal would emerge. I don't know for sure, but I'd say it was a safe bet that the Tories had already done polling that suggested most Canadians would be disgusted by an attempted coalition coup. This would be the single issue they need to win their majority.

Accordingly, they baited the trap, the stooges bit, and here we all are. Harper had to be pretty certain the GG would accept his request to prorogue (as someone pointed out above, there is no precedent for refusal), and now he just sits back and waits while the coalition tears itself apart, meanwhile offering public olive branches and consultations (especially with the popular incoming US administration). Much has been made about his two-hour meeting with the GG; I suggest much of that meeting was spent discussing what would happen in January if the government were defeated. I suspect Harper spent that time trying as delicately as he could to convince Mme. Jean that the right thing to do was to respect the wishes of the Canadian people; if they wanted a coalition, fine, but if popular opinion suggested they didn't, then she should accede to Harper's request for an election.

My only concern is that they've given the opposition a bit too much time to get their act together; I'd have rather seen Parliament back in early January, while holiday discussions were still fresh in the electorate's mind. But, as has been said at SDA many times, "When your opponent is shooting himself in the foot, don't stop him."

Scott Reid is a typical Liberal mouthpiece. Inciting people to hate, and even to kill the PM could only come from someone so terminally deranged that they'd have to be a Liberal. Scott Reid is typical of all fascists, can't get elected, can't debate idea's, so preach violence. Also typical is the reaction of the MSM, which is to say no reaction, this silence from the MSM essentially gives approval to these extreme calls for violence. Let's face it if a Conservative was to say, we should have killed that closet queer Trudeau, the MSM would have had their head on a pike.

djb at December 6, 2008 12:22 PM

Wanker. You are a liberal and there is no more to say. I am sorry for you, and your profound loss of power.

Scott Reid is a typical Liberal mouthpiece. Inciting people to hate, and even to kill the PM could only come from someone so terminally deranged that they'd have to be a Liberal. Scott Reid is typical of all fascists, can't get elected, can't debate idea's, so preach violence. Also typical is the reaction of the MSM, which is to say no reaction, this silence from the MSM essentially gives approval to these extreme calls for violence. Let's face it if a Conservative was to say, we should have killed that closet queer Trudeau, the MSM would have had their head on a pike.

djb

Peter McKay admitted today on Roy Green's show that the party funding thing was poor timing, therefore not one of Harper's chess moves.

KevinB that is an excellent summary and you are right, we cannot relax.

"djb

Peter McKay admitted today on Roy Green's show that the party funding thing was poor timing, therefore not one of Harper's chess moves.

Posted by: clair voyant at December 6, 2008 9:32 PM "

And the only conservative bone in Peter was the one he gave to Belinda!!! Sheesh.Saying Peter is a conservative is like saying Mao was a humanist.

kevinB: 50 years starting in 1968? Not so good at math? But let's put that aside. You say "Let's now turn to a fact: The Tories clearly had the NDP's "secret" tape some time before they announced the proposed end to political funding." That's nonsense. The Conservatives didn't have the recording until the conference call actually occured. When, precisely, do you believe that call happened? What "secret" tape are you talking about?

clair voyant: Peter McKay is now speaking for the Prime Minister? Wow!

batb: Name calling is the best you've got?

RW: Me, a Liberal? LOL!

What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it? ” - Jack Layton

From the conference call with the NDP caucus. Get your own copy and read through it.

Any comments from our Liberal bretheren who jumped into bed with this coalition? You want to be associated with a man who thinks so highly of democracy? You signed a deal with the NDP and the BLOC to suspend non confidence votes amoung you, subverting the Parliamentary system for a minimum of 18 months. Can you explain the reasoning behind that action? If Harper prorogued Parliament, it was to prevent this abomination of a coalition from subverting Parliament and the democratic process.

By your thinking, Harper should approach the BLOC with a slightly better deal and sign a non confidence vote arrangement with the BLOC for 10 years. Hey, it’s “legal”. Your three parties set the precedent. and you intend to ram that down voter’s throats come January 27.

Wear it, prima donnas.

How many times has SDA spoke out against those who would take away our right to freedom of speech? Now many of you are wanting to take that right from Scott Reid? We can't have it both ways, freedom of speech for what we believe in and censorship those we disagree with. That would put us in the same league as the Liberals and the Dippers. I believe in letting people like Scott Reid speak their minds and show others who they really are, and in the case of Reid it is obvious he is a hateful, spiteful little man with no integrity.

djb,

Just curious. What do you think that PMSH and the LPC, NDP, and Bloc leaders talked about before the election? Why do you think there was an election? Why do you think that Taliban Jack thought he was going to be the next PM?

Wonder why folks think your a liberal? Check the polls re Harper and leader. Harper is staying.

I've asked on another topic - You've seen the alternative, what do you think? Well, what do you think?

djb:

I wrote "50 or so years ago", and referenced the 1962 and 1963 elections, some 46 and 45 years ago. Not so good at reading?

Tim,

Holy missing the point, Batman. There really is a difference between breaking the law and hurting someones feelings ... you have come to the right place to discover the difference.

BTW: I believe, like you, Scott Reid is just like some derelict with a sign that that "The World is ending Tomorrow, Give me a vote it's worth $1.95 to my party ... maybe a few millions in backroom deals next month".

PROCLAMATION:
Jack LAYDOWN will henceforth be addressed (to quote Mary Walsh) as democracy's ARSE LICKING SATAN.

As you were....

madasl,

here in New Brunswick we elected 6 Conservative, 3 Liberal, and 1 NDP Ministers of Parliament in the last Federal election. Keep the faith. We are solidly Conservative despite our Irving Liberal media rags, unlike the rest of the Atlantic Provinces. Look at NFLD, 48% voter turnout.

The Globe and Mail has published and then quickly withdrawn the venomous diatribe spit out at Stephen Harper by Scott Reid of popcorn and beer fame. Like a snake whose strike has missed its mark they have slithered back into their spider hole but the moment of action gave us a glimpse of the fury of a denied conspirator who thought his side had taken power but who were denied at the last second. There will be no second chance the opportunity for power is gone and they know it.

This was not hate speech, it was revelation. This attack on Harper showed us how desperate they have become. Dion as Prime Minister was the last chance for Quebec centred Liberals to dominate Canada. The power base in Quebec that has long sustained the Liberal party has ended with the failed putsch by the coalition.

Where do they go from here?

Tim,

As a staunch supporter of free speech, I have trouble believing your take on this.

Many politicians and their travelling road shows say incredibly stupid things.

Reid's comments are illegal as stated in Section 264.1 (and subs). He wrote inflamatory comments and that rag published them.

Can you imagine the outrage - and all of aimed at Stephen Harper and CPC - in all the Canadian media, had even someone like Sandra Buckler communicated in any way the same thing about Dion.

Criminal charges should be up to the RCMP.
And a published report of the investigation should be made available to all Canadians.

We need free speech to be able to ridicule authors and publishers of similar trash.

Make no mistake - progressives only wish to silence their opponents. Those group thinkers believe they can say whatever garbage enters their minds.

I just searched the online versions of our local 'rags' and apparently the Saskatoon and Regina rallies didn't take place. After all if they are not in the S-P or the L-P they couldn't have happened. Lots of coverage of pro 'coup-aliton' rallies though. Why am I not surprised!
Just something to consider if you ever get a request to subscribe!

"How many times has SDA spoke out against those who would take away our right to freedom of speech? Now many of you are wanting to take that right from Scott Reid? We can't have it both ways, freedom of speech for what we believe in and censorship those we disagree with".

That's why I prefer to concentrate on the different treatment the media gives to a runaway Liberal vs Conservative tongue. Presently they evince a double standard. What would be presented as front page news in the case of a Conservative and prima facie evidence of widespread thuggishness in their party is air-brushed to protect the Liberal Party.

Scott Reid is influential in the Liberal Party and didn't "mispeak" but pounded away at his killing theme. Scratch a pacifist leftist and underneath you will find absolute ruthlessness against what they see and describe as "the enemy" aka someone who disagrees with them and frustrates their agenda.

We seem to have forgotten that Michael Ignatieff came out in front of the television in support of Dion and the three stooges coalition.
Did any of you see Michael Ignatieff stand oppose favouring our democractic rights-let me so-NO!
So, the coalition/separatist continues behind the scenes.
By the way folks, again for the second time the prime minister receives an award Dec 4th, MSM refuse to let canadians know.
The MSM thinks nothing of Scott Reid's comment and why should they since they hate the prime minister as well.