Ass , meet teeth .

Gee, that would be a masterful ass-whipping in conformity with the spanking law case:

Canadian Foundation for Children, Youth and the Law v. Canada (Attorney General), 2004 SCC 4
URL: http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/2004/2004scc4/2004scc4.html

I think this would be in hickory switch territory.

Yowza!

"yowza - (slang interjection; became current circa 1932) An exclamation of delight or approval;

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North

Well, this is a START.

What I want to know is: WTF do the liberals have to do to lose the other 24%, diddle their own supporter's children?

Just what will it take? Scum-sucking, moral-less vermin.

Stephane Dion is trying to get his deposit back on the new drapes for 24 sussex drive. It seems he is having trouble though because the drapierierre says wtf am I sposed to do with 300 cubic metres of slime green drapes ? you tink its izzy cancelling dese drapes ?

The numbers by themselves are meaningless because they don't take into account the fact that Canadians are outraged at these poll results.

I'd be a lot happier if I knew those surveyed lived in TO and Quebec...

I'd be a lot happier if I knew those surveyed lived in TO and Quebec...

OT here,but I really want to thank all who posted comments about the Dion 'tapegate' last eve.I came home from a long day,tired and a little worried about the GG's decision today.Reading those comments made me laugh out loud..and gave me hope!Thanks to you all.

A terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day for the "coalition," especially Dion and the Liberals.

How are they going to get out of this one?

Those numbers are just beautiful. The key is now PM Harper has to do everything now to keep those numbers.

Historical Reference, sorted in terms of descending popular vote:

Year Pop.Vote Winner Parliament
---- -------- ------------- ----------
1917 56.93% Unionists Majority
1958 53.66% Conservatives Majority
1940 51.32% Liberals Majority
1904 50.88% Liberals Majority
1900 50.25% Liberals Majority
1984 50.03% Conservatives Majority
1949 49.15% Liberals Majority
1908 48.87% Liberals Majority
1891 48.58% Conservatives Majority
1911 48.56% Conservatives Majority
1953 48.43% Liberals Majority
1930 47.79% Conservatives Majority
1887 47.42% Conservatives Majority
1925 46.13% Conservatives Minority
1968 45.37% Liberals Majority
1935 44.68% Liberals Majority
1980 44.34% Liberals Majority
1974 43.15% Liberals Majority
1988 43.02% Conservatives Majority
1926 42.90% Liberals Minority
1878 42.06% Conservatives Majority
1963 41.52% Liberals Minority
1896 41.37% Liberals Majority
1993 41.24% Liberals Majority
1921 41.15% Liberals Majority
2000 40.85% Liberals Majority
1882 40.40% Conservatives Majority
1965 40.18% Liberals Minority
1945 39.78% Liberals Majority
1874 39.49% Liberals Majority
1957 38.81% Conservatives Minority
1997 38.46% Liberals Majority
1872 38.46% Conservatives Minority
1972 38.42% Liberals Minority
2008 37.65% Conservatives Minority
1962 37.22% Conservatives Minority
2004 36.73% Liberals Minority
2006 36.27% Conservatives Minority
1979 35.89% Conservatives Minority
1867 34.84% Conservatives Majority

I suspect that Dion is being taken out to the woodshed and dispatched as we speak.

He will not be missed. I hope he's around just long enough to give the scumbag party of Chretien and Trudeau the fatal blow.

I think people should still show up in force to the rally for Canada though. I'm taking popcorn and empty beer cans.

Quite a miscalculation by PMSH all this eh.

john, I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY!!!!

When can Conservatives come out of the closet and admit they are actually popular? Steph, Jack and Gilles and Lizzy May keep telling us how dirty and awful we are. But dammit, its ok to be you and me...

Harper is brilliant! I think he smoked them out.
I have stopped listening to the CBC...

Listen to Bob Rae's outrage!!!!!!

His sinister plan to get rid of Stephen Harper so he would not have to run against such a strong and dynamic opponent if he wins the Liberal leadership has been spoiled now by the big bully.

I have a theory about why the elite and the backroom establishment like Rae's PowerCorporation and his Uncle Maurice Strong want Harper gone, gone, gone.

Harper is the first PM since Trudeau they could not bribe and use as their puppet.

Scary indeed.

Its going to be next to impossible for the PM to maintain his numbers at that level. They're inevitably going to drop when this political crisis cools off over Christmas, and into the New Year.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Harper's numbers stay at 44% or 46% but I don't see it happening. Its likely to come back to earth by the time Parliament reconvenes in January.

I think that Jack Layton is going to be one of the most reviled politicians in Canada ... but he is too dumb to realize it yet !

Warwick at December 4, 2008 6:27 PM

A little assistance on the vocabulary front: Amoral is the word for "moral-less". Otherwise, good post :-)

Who cares we have 2 years at least now until the next election unless the coalition have really gone stark raving mad

I posted this comment on the CBC website under the interview with their so-called constitutional expert, Erroll Mendes who: "worries that the GG's decision sets a very worrying precedent" (whereupon the unwashed multitudes take the bait and tear her to shreds). http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/04/constit...

"The GG is among other things: member of a visible minority, first generation Canadian, a woman, appointed by a Liberal Prime Minister and married to a man who has espoused the separatist cause. She's a veritable poster child for the left, the disenfranchised, the underdog immigrants to this country. How could anyone come up with more reasons for the Neocons to wring their hands over her appointment? But who is castigating her today? You and you and you. All of you are supreme hypocrites. Shame on every one of you, especially the media for encouraging this frenzy."

Luke ,
The cracks are there , the leaks are soon to follow . When Canadians are made privy to the details of this mess , Harper's numbers will increase .

Listen to Bob Rae's outrage and then listen to Graham Richardson's outrage on CTV news net.ca. What say you CTV?

What astounds me is how the liberal chattering classes are just SOooo disconnected from real folks that they don't recognize the outrage that burned in regular folksd hearts about the separatists bein in control of the federal government. I guess we just aren't sophisticated enough.

Before they incinerate his sorry derierre, I hope they purchase enough carbon credits to get the job done thoroughly. But, using their own money, not ours.

If there is any money left over, they could cast a small bronze statue that Mdm Chretien could use to club the next burglar. For extra effectiveness and safety in handling, it should be mounted on antiqued copper barge pole - the Rene Levesque Memorial Green Shaft.

edncda, kudos to you for posting that! Though I've long held the belief that the words "hypocrite" and "hypocrisy" have been chemically removed from the brains of the Radical Left. It was a chemical added to our water system ... though some of us are apparently immune and still do run our lives with concerns about never acting like a hypocrite!

I just learned that the RallyForCanada.ca event here in Vancouver has been switched from Robson Square to the Library Square. What's interesting about this choice is that it's only a block away from CBC headquarters. I'm thinking of sign ideas based on this fact. My only inspiration so far is this one:

Even with the CBC (Pravda)
Propaganda, Democracy Still
Prevailed in Canada.
At least for the time being...

Any other ideas, you all?

As long as the coalition continues to keep shooting itself in the foot, the government should be fine, but they must do a better job of informing the public that it is a world crisis,too many years of Liberal pablum has resulted in many Canadians thinking that the government can fix everything [Kyoto and the gun registry anyone?]

Another scientific poll:

http://www.leaderpost.com/Political+power+struggle+scaring+Canadians+Poll/1032813/story.html

OTTAWA - Almost three-quarters of Canadians say they are "truly scared" for the future of the country and a solid majority say they would prefer another election to having the minority Conservative government replaced by a coalition led by Stephane Dion, a new Ipsos-Reid poll says.

"worries that the GG's decision sets a very worrying precedent"

What?? As far as I have heard, no GG has ever refused a request to prorogue. Is that not true? If it is indeed the case, then it would only be a troubling precedent if she REFUSED the request.

The Rally For Canada is still going ahead in Ottawa on Saturday @ noon, Parliament Hill. I have unoffically renamed it The Party for Canada Party.

But, keep those placards dry; we will probably need them at the end of January ;-)

VICTORY !!

Democracy Saved In Canada !

Ticker tape parade ! Lots of material - CBC shredders dim lights !

I'm going to read "deep" into this, a little bit:

How come the "coalition" never asked the public what they want?

How come the coalition never did any polling?

Why didn't they wait until the government fell, to form their coalition? A "surprise attack" would've worked much better then our current situation. This is a major strategic blunder.

Ah Shamrock. Judith Viorst. Takes me back. Love it!

Don Newman's editorializing all day has been an utter joke.

CBC reporters, and anchors like Nasty Wilson were repeating the coup-alition leaders verbatim while Don Newman and Keith Boag were mocking PM Harper.

Screw you CBC!

The best part was having the 2pm Newsworld newscast replaced by texts of angry emails from Liberals about the GG's decision to the CBC.

It demonstrates the fringe who hang on CBC'ers every cue and CBC'ers who lead with the koolaid.

Repeat: Screw you CBC!

Robert W, "Any other ideas, you all?"

Can't
Bear
Coalition

or

Canada's
Biased
Coverage

or

Canadian Broadcasting Whoreporation

Just a couple thoughts. See you there Saturday.

I'm thinking orange scarves would be a nice touch......

Lets not get complacent. The liberal hatred is starting to boil over . They screwed up bigtime by raising Dion from the dead and entering into the neo-communist cabal and are just starting to realise it.. These people are desperate for power and they will try anything . I hope the Rcmp increases security.

but but - the media said many in PMSH own party wanted to dump him ??
Emails just plants ?
Craig Oliver was telling lies ?

I am so tired of the "62% of the voters didn't vote for Harper" schtick or as they say 62% hate Harper.

Same logic then - 82% hate Layton and

78% hate Dion.

Based on this logic the person who is hated the least, 62%, should be Prime Minister.

I agree with "R W" and have to disagree with John. I don't think it'll be 2 years before the next election. It think it'll completely depend upon when Michael Ignatieff is crowned leader of the Liberals.

Oh no doubt, the Video Professor will be wanting to bring down Harper asap but it seems clear now that cooler, smarter heads in the Liberals will take control of their horrific PR mess and instead setup a schedule of their own making.

One thing I'm not sure of is whether Bob Rae will either be forced out or quit of his own volition. Either way, he's toast. Pretty amazing that a supposedly smart man destroyed himself so quickly.

On the not so smart front, Ujjal Dosanjh should get out before he's disgraced in the next election. Recall that he only won by 22 votes. I cannot believe he can ever win again.

And once again we see the Globe's and the rest of the media aiming their anger at Harper is colossally out of step with the rest of the country. The Globe actually ran an editorial calling for Harper to resign rather than noticing Dion's insane coalition ideas were never going to hold together.

The guy didn't even have the support of his own party, how could he manage such an unstable coalition?

"How come the "coalition" never asked the public what they want? "

Thar was the question that CBC should have been asking each of the 'leaders' rather than shilling for them.

The best thing that could happen is for Dion to go even more Klingon, so that the Christmas holidays are filled with family discussions wondering when the Liberals will finally pull that chain on the John Crapper, and why would they ever think we would accept the Bloc calling the shots at a time like this?

Yes, Liberals, please ignore my earlier requests to terminate the Frankensteinian monster as soon as possible, and let it live through the Christmas holidays. There's nothing better than getting a few nogs down the cakehole and having a good old tear at those evil Conservatives at the local neighborhood party.

Can we have more photo ops of Stephane with Jack and Gilles? Will the CBC please make us all a Christmas special featuring our next 3-headed (or is it 2-headed and 1 tail, or 1-headed and 2-tailed) Prime Ministers to be?

Are there any plans to come out with a Limited Edition 100% Pure Porcelain (the Liberal Platinum Edition will be real China) Collector's Plate celebrating Canada's first "Progressive" Coalition, with the full text of the side agreement in gold lettering, and a certificate of authenticity signed by the one and only Jacques Parizeau?

Please, fight on! Do not give up! After all, it looks like a whopping 45% of Canadians want the coalition!

Bourque impales Dion & the libs.
"STRIKE THREE, STEPHANE, YOU'RE OUT"
Here- http://www.bourque.org/dion.html

It must drive the leftie MSM crazy - 1st that the GG progued then on top of that these kinds of polls come out. They must be going out of their minds

Think of it - the pseudo scandals didn't work
hauling Mulroney back into,the spot-light didn't work, he back room coalition didn't work,and now he gets another chance!!!

Then all these polls come out to show that Canadians would most likely give him a majority!!!!

They are livid and I predict it will become viseral - the MSM will do everything in their power to destroy Harper. It is our job to keep vigil - call them on their bias and point out the truth.

CBC should fire Don Newman. This morning he argued with John Baird.You would think Newman was heading the coalition . He did the same yesterday with Cannon.
What is with CTV dragging out Ed Broadbent who called my Prime Minister a lier. Broadbent and Layton are two of the biggest liers. Layton plotted this coup long before the economic statement.CTV anchors are not hiding their bias. The MSM are creating and promoting the issues and left wing agenda.

I think a lot of people are waking up to the fact that the MSM are in the tank for the liberals now. I was quietly warning these people in my head as I was watching saying "you better watch out because this thing is going to raise a hell of a backlash".

This poll results fits what I've been hearing at work and with family. The outrage against the coalition and the loathing for the NDP/Bloc as guardians of the national trust was profound. This poll does not reflect a new found love or respect for the CPC.

We appear to have (maybe) won this squirmish. Well, more than a squirmish. We should recognize that this so called victory still came with some serious political costs, and is really a testimony more to how weak the opposition is than to how strong we are. If Ignatieff had been the Liberal leader, it could have turned out very differently.

It's not over. We cannot gloat yet.

In my opinion PMSH was NOT impressive last night. In the next few weeks Mr. Harper has to do better. The nation WANTS non-partisan leadership, and will eventually turn en-mass against a PM that seems to be indifferent to the suffering of the nation and acts like a bully. I am not saying that he is either of these, nor that I disagree with the policies he proposed that started this mess.

However, optics are everything, and the optics right now are not great for Mr. Harper. All indicators is that he is a very smart man, smart enough to understand this. A REAL concession to the Liberals (not the NDP or Bloc of course, who are scum) that is not too far out of line with core Conservative principles would be a worthwhile gesture. Mr. Harper has preached incremental gains, but nearly lost it all on a drastic gambit.

We've been in the muck for a long time now. I'd like to rise above it.

Oh, and whoever of his advisors proposed or championed making the 1.95/vote thing an issue at this time should be fired. Now.

Despite the chattering class, despite the union bosses, despite Jack Lenin, despite Stephanie, despite Gilles the communist separatist, despite every single know-it-all opposed to Harper and the Conservatives, who seem to know better than anybody else.............

His popularity has increased 10 points thru all this.

Ya gotta love it!

In your face Steffi, Jack and Gilles! and all your socialist separatist hordes!

How disappointing. I was looking forward to getting Taliban Jack as Defence Minister or Bob Rae as Finance Minister ("we're gonna spend our way out of this recession!")

Watching the CBC broadcasts at the same time as I'm reading Bourque.

I feel like we need to fire Mansbridge, Don Newman and all those other tossers and hire Comical Ali.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comical_Ali

* "There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"

What I want to know is: WTF do the liberals have to do to lose the other 24%, diddle their own supporter's children?

I wish it were that "simple". It would have to take something even more despicable to make them see the light. Face it: some people (such as those in T.O.) have (bodily excrement) for brains.

Cons 45%, Libs 23%

Yesterday in the National Post Canada's most sagacious insider-pundit, Don "Tiny Bubbles" Martin, wrote, under the title "No undoing PM's historic blunder" --

"Canadians must crash-position themselves for the inevitability of a coalition government under...Stephane Dion."

"...this government's noise has been reduced to a death rattle...Stephen Harper's increasingly frantic response....cannot change the unfortunate outcome."

"Stephen Harper...has been mortally damaged as Prime Minister..."

"If an infuriated electorate had the chance, it would vote a pox on everybody, blaming a dumb Harper provocation..."

Good call, Bubs.

Lori

Despite your concerns, Harper called it like it is.

And for that

Cantuc,
"I hope the Rcmp increases security."

Wouldn't mind seeing a half dozen JTF2 folks permanently assigned to Mr. Harpers entourage.

'Tis the nature of National Treasures!!

Hope he gets over the flu that's had a grip on him for the last little while.

Pat

Permit me to be excited for a moment:
woooooooooooo!

Iggy above the Coup-alition fray ?

[ The e-mail dispels rumours that Ignatieff was hesitant to support the coalition proposal.

Ignatieff's e-mail reads: "It would appear that Canada is heading for a coalition government based on an accord that stresses responsible economic leadership in tough times while ensuring national unity and equality - values that our party has always believed in." ] 24 hrs Van

Anyone have pictures/vids of Iggy & Rae standing on stage, shoulder to shoulder, full square with Dion ?

We're probably stricken from MSM web sites the minuite the GG and EKOS came out.

It is not my computer because I just double checked. The Edmonton Journal's video of Dion's speech clearly shows the Book titled "Hot Air" in the background. In the CBC version of the same speech this book has been blacked out. Now why would that be?

Move the entire HQ and Broadcast operations of the CBC to Moosejaw.

Problem solved.

allan-"How come the "coalition" never asked the public what they want?"

They asked the only relevant skum they're in bed with. Unions.

As the floorboards of the goodhouse Canada become infested with more vigorous slime mold and maggots.

Ace: "Taliban Jack as Defence Minister"

I love the idea. Time for a friggin fraggin.

I honestly believe that PMSH used the economic statement as a lightning rod to get the coalition out into the open now, rather than later.

By getting them to come forward now, they caused the coalition to make a strategic blunder.

http://anothercanadianblog.blogspot.com/

Stay, Stephane! Stay!

But, what of the unpopular Popular Front for the Liberation of Canada?

Well, will it hang together? This is independant of the question as to whether Dijon's remains hang together. Rather, are there other interests to keep the PFLC together?

Well, B-Ray supported it strongly; this means the Desmarais familly supports it; therefore Mao-Strong, the man who hides in China, is supportive. PSAC and the NDP are committed, as they should be, to an asylum for the politically insane.

Serious powerful interests are behind it.

Against it are the people of Canada and Iggy The Silent.

The "People of Canada" don't count to these folk. It's down to Iggy. Perhaps B-Ray will receive some more popular support.

PS Just heard the good news on the radio - the banks made good profits. Hmmm, that's an ambiguous piece of news, that it is now considered good.

Look, I want Harper to be PM for the next decade. There are big issues to solve - immigration, HRCs, the government bureaucracy and the political culture in Ottawa, the CBC.... that only he can address.

But he has to be in power to address them.

I don't believe Mr. Harper predicted and orchestrated these events. He had no way of knowing what Jean would do. He had no way of knowing that Dion would disgrace himself, again, or that Parizeau would gloat publicly about the triumph of the Bloc.

It could have all turned out very differently. And there will still be a price to pay for these events that did not have to be paid - in Quebec, in the media, and in the hearts of those Canadians who in the past couple of years began to think that maybe he was not so ruthless after all and could be trusted with a majority.

The next election will be Harper vs Ignatieff. Ignatieff is not a lefty loon and is a real threat to the middle-of-the-road crowd that did not feel comfy with Dion and despised Layton.

Colin - exactly what I've been saying all along. Harper's playing chess while everyone else (MSM included) is playing checkers. Sooo many think that he made a "blunder" but time will tell that he has been a tactical genius with every move.

Now if only was as good of a PM as he is a bare-knuckles politician...

Lori - I think the taxpayer-funded-politician-subsidy-ban is a winner for PMSH.

Sure looks like it today :)

Colin: **I honestly believe that PMSH used the economic statement as a lightning rod to get the coalition out into the open**

No No you're wrong Colin, it was a gross "miscalculation"

I would recommend that everyone in ridings with NDP and Liberal MPs save copies of every stupid thing they said about this coalition (and their love of the good people in the Bloc who are just doing their best for their constituents.) These quotes will be needed in the next election when a new Liberal leader (iggy or manley) tries to ignore this big mess. You know the media will act like this coalition talk never happened or was only a mild threat needed to bring that bully Harper into line.

Lori, you need to know that for the last week and a half Harper has been quite ill. I think he was lucky last night to be able to even talk.

"Wouldn't mind seeing a half dozen JTF2 folks permanently assigned to Mr. Harpers entourage."

Yeah, they can pull them off Steffie's and Jacko's entourage, not needed there anymore.

What has Elizabeth May to say on the GG's decision?

Follow up to my previous post - I have underestimated the power of Jack The Egomaniac.

I feel a little more optimistic after hearing his "concession speech".

Lori:

Harper sniffs a coalition with the bloc. He deliberately two-fingers them in the eye to bring it out BEFORE the Obama spinmasters are available for a left-wing campaign here, while the economy still looks as rosy as possible, and while the memory of the previous Conservative election win is still very fresh.

Outcome 1: A new election is called in which the Cons have a 30 day campaign to rip the coalition to shreds
Outcome 2: The coalition takes power and lasts an hour or two. Then we have a new election and the Cons have a 30 day campaign to rip the coalition to shreds.
Outcome 3: (the best) The coalition falls apart before it can have a confidence vote.

62% against the coalition? HAHA and all those lefties saying 62% didn't vote for Harper. I guess 62% won't vote for a coalition.

CBC,s Alfred E. Newman and CTV's Craig Oliver have seen their senate seats go "poof".

Schmuck, why do you think outcome 3 is the best? My Canadian instinct urges me in that direction, but my higher cognition questions it.

Lori, you need to know that for the last week and a half Harper has been quite ill. I think he was lucky last night to be able to even talk.

______________________________

Fair enough. I did not know that until yesterday. But it doesn't change my concerns. When your enemy is weak and you are strong, fighting in the gutter lowers you to the their level and reduces your advantage.

The CPC is strong financially, morally, and politically. The libs are none of these right now.

In the coming weeks the PM should try to fight above the level of the Coalition of the Swilling.

As I have pondered the events of today, it occurred to me that there is a way to turn this to advantage. Perhaps the best way to humanize a person is to see them brought down. Despite my admiration for him, to deny that PMSH's aloof persona and air of arrogance is a political stumbling block would be silly. A smart person recognizes weaknesses and works on them.

In most people's eyes, SH was brought down by these events. One moment the leader of a triumphant and near majority CPC. The next moment nearly ejected, at the mercy of an appointed artsy-liberal GG. That must have rankled.

These events should have humbled him. A humbler PMSH will be a better PMSH, or at least a more successful one.

In my humble opinion.

:-)

The real story here, is this has just occurred to the MSM. How out of touch can they be. The answer is to spooky .If you ask me, they are zombies with lobotomies. So cocooned in tax funded luxury, they have no more perception of the real, than a schizophrenic off their meds. There Canada does not exist in the Universe. It’s a man made dogmatic construct of a peculiar death cult ideology proclaiming freedom in bondage.

Time to send emails of encouragement to Mr. Harper now. He must have heard all the dimbats saying that the Conservatives just had to get a new leader.

Lizzie May is trying to get back the deposit on the Condo she was going to buy in Ottawa for when she was Senator......

Lori:
I am sure he did this on purpose and events unfolded as he had planned. This Coalition was in the works since before the election was over. No matter what legislation he put forward they were going to try and take him down. By including the little poison pills in the Financial review he smoked them out and made them play their hand. Had he waited until later the Coalition may have gained strength and credibility. By catching them by suprise they looked sneeky and underhanded. He has destroyed this coalition pretty much before it launched. As for preticting what Jean would do he must have had a good idea that he would get a bit of time. It was a good risk. He had no choice. Harper dosen't make mistakes. This is why the leftists hate him. He is miles better than their best.

We can be jubilant for a short period, but lets not forget how close we came to the commie's overthrowing our government.

Once a commie always a commie, and the sleepers Gilles Duceppe, Bob Rae, Ujjal Dosanjh, (go read their resumes) nearly managed to team up with the NDP. They were ably assisted by CBC-Pravda, CTV-Tass and other useful idiots (Broadbent, Schreyer), they nearly accomplished their dream. Hopefully sanity prevails in the next election and the Lieberals are destroyed by this blatant undemocratic action (24% share does not say destruction to me)

The came close, too close.

These polls are gonna change, people forget quickly. CPC need to be on top of their game and demand better from CPC communications, sending out John Baird is NOT the answer, where was Ablonczy, Cummins or even MacKay.

I do believe that come Jan 26 the budget will be passed with a lot of mumbling and grumbling. Then the hard work begins governing during a depression.

Despite annoyances with the CPC - not filling senate seats, section 13.1, etc-we have to support them, the others are too terrifying.

I don't want to get this close to commie control again. So vote CPC but work to Free the West.

"nor that I disagree with the policies he[Harper] proposed that started this mess."
~Lori

Wrong. PMSH didn't "start" this mess. Jack Layton did.

"The next election will be Harper vs Ignatieff.

Ignatieff is not a lefty loon and is a real threat to the middle-of-the-road crowd that did not feel comfy with Dion and despised Layton."
~Lori

Are you talking about Michael Ignatieff?
The Michael Ignatieff that is going to lead the Liberals AFTER the election we are going to have in March?

The Michael Ignatieff that has remained silent during this coup d’état?

Where, when Canadians are SCARED by these Leftist usurpers, has the leadership of Michael Ignatief been to calm them and the markets?

No. Michael Ignatief was just another opportunist who waited to see which way the wind blows before he denounces the Usurpers.

One couldn't tell from Michael Ignatief's inaction that he planned to be leader of the Liberal party.

So, Bob Rae is outraged that the House of Parliament adjourned 5 DAYS earlier than it was supposed to????????

Oh - the horror!

This guy is the puppet of PowerCorp, his brother John Rae is VP. He is the "nephew" of Maurice Strong of Oil for Food and China scandals and when Rae was Premier he even appointed Strong to be head of Ontario Power.

The backroom elites are going through withdrawls - it has been nearly three years since they could get at the trough and suck off Canadian taxpayers for money, influence, inside information....

Yes, Bob Rae. Harper IS scary - but not to normal Canadians. He is only SCARY to those who wish to use taxpayers as personal pawns.

Rae's moral indignations are so over the top that I am convinced he was the architect of this whole thing.

Anybody else with me there?

I would prefer Iggy as a Liberal leader since he's more of a blue Liberal but good is he boring to listen too!

We can be jubilant for a short period, but lets not forget how close we came to the commie's overthrowing our government.

Once a commie always a commie, and the sleepers Gilles Duceppe, Bob Rae, Ujjal Dosanjh, (go read their resumes) nearly managed to team up with the NDP. They were ably assisted by CBC-Pravda, CTV-Tass and other useful idiots (Broadbent, Schreyer), they nearly accomplished their dream. Hopefully sanity prevails in the next election and the Lieberals are destroyed by this blatant undemocratic action (24% share does not say destruction to me)

The came close, too close.

These polls are gonna change, people forget quickly. CPC need to be on top of their game and demand better from CPC communications, sending out John Baird is NOT the answer, where was Ablonczy, Cummins or even MacKay.

I do believe that come Jan 26 the budget will be passed with a lot of mumbling and grumbling. Then the hard work begins governing during a depression.

Despite annoyances with the CPC - not filling senate seats, section 13.1, etc-we have to support them, the others are too terrifying.

I don't want to get this close to commie control again. So vote CPC but work to Free the West.

Ruth, I agree, send encouragement emails to PMSH. Although he won't be pining for them. Every Conservative MP and Minister that has been interviewed has expresssed unequivocal support for PMSH. It was also easy to see that they were absolutely sincere.

The refrain on other blog comments was

"This is how Westminster works" when they referred to the automatic handover of the keys to the Croc n Bloc coalition.

You dont hear that so much now that we see how Westminster works....PM advice over GG "judgement" is an almost sacred thing. Makes sense, he's elected she isnt. Keeps the crown clean for when it is really required, not a trumped up crisis like this one.

Shame on the coaltion for putting the GG in this position and shame on the coalition for bringinf the Bloc so close power, creating Rene Levesque's Soveriegnty Association as a consequence of their their ill thought through plan.

Boneheads of State

We all owe the GG a thanks.

Bazoo, I would believe what you say, except for the fact that it came down to the GG's decision today. I cannot believe that SH was able to control or predict how that would go. Nor to predict Dion's bumbling or Parizeau's gloating.

Marie - regarding Michael Ignatieff. I disagree. His lack of leadership on this issue is exactly my point. Dion is disgraced. The liberal party is humiliated and discredited as federalists. But Ignatief is not tarnished. He could have tried to block this, and earned the enmity of many rabid Liberals who were too stupid to see the ruin they were heaping on their party, and this would have given Rae the leadership race. He could have participated, and been tarnished too. He chose to keep quiet at the right time. That should tell you something about his political abilities.

glasnost - a miscalculation that has resulted in a 10 point gain in popularity. Coincidence? I think not.

"By getting them to come forward now, they caused the coalition to make a strategic blunder."

Colin, I completely agree with this. Stephen Harper is a very cool tactician and he knows what he's doing. He's known about this coalition for quite a while, probably before the election. Might have had a hand in him calling the election. I think you're exactly right. He baited these fools into showing their hand, and then beat them. There is no pulling a stunt like this twice, so now he has more of a free hand to win other more important policy issues once he gets past the throne speach and budget.

I don't know why people underestimate Stephen Harper, he united Alliance, Forged the Conservative party, then took on Paul Martin and won. Now he's done it again, pulled of a brilliant win against an admittedly incompetent foe.

He's not self serving either, if he was he would have allowed the coalition to take over the government, I'm quite sure it would have given him a majority in the next election. Instead he beat them down so that he can govern in the best interest of Canada now. As usual though, most won't appreciate how good a PM Stephen Harper is until he's gone.

I had a chat today with the most rabid liberal lover that I have ever known about the coalition. This man ,on a charitable day,would call Harper a nazi redneck. He works every election for the Liberals,he has been a party member and regular contributor for some 20 years.He not only talks the talk,but walks the walk. He told me,I'm paraphrasing,"we lost the f'en election,these stupid asses should let the conservatives get on with governing instead of pulling this coalition crap,we'll get you next time". It made my day,and then I got home to find out that the GG made the right decision. If good things as well as bad happen in threes,Shania should be,,,,,got to go ,my doorbell is ringing.

"Move the entire HQ and Broadcast operations of the CBC to Moosejaw.

Problem solved."

What makes anyone think that Moose Jaw or Saskatchewan want the CBC polluting our environment. It bad enough having the remnants of the NDP here - although they have not won a seat in the last 3 federal elections. Keep the CBC in TO - at least there some watches and listens, Very few people I know do either with CBC anymore.

It is simply a sinkhole for tax dollars. Demolish the CBC immediately. It is a plague and pestilence on the land.

What I can’t understand is the number of wise Canadians that tout the “normal coalition governments” in the world as a supporting precedent for the Big-Four (Lib, NDP, Bloc, Green) coalition in Canada. I’ll ask again: which countries are governed by coalitions of losers. In other words which coalitions do not include the party with the most seats in their respective parliament?

We should start calling into the talk shows and give support to PMSH.
Tell the listening public that WE do not want him gone.
It is only the shills at the MSM that are calling for him to be gone.

Relative to the video Dion states;

" It's something that I decided to have an inquiry about it to identify what was missing in terms of professionalism."

(this from the Globe)

An inquiry..? sigh...

While I agree the GG did the right thing, I also agree with Alberta Girl and other posters that we have to be vigilant... The only people more upset then Bob Rae and the Separatist/Liberal/NDP alliance are their mouthpeices in the MSM. The extreme left in this country are a dangerous cabal of sore losers and they are going to go after the PM with all the vitriolic bile they can muster. Sheila Copps looked like she was going to have a stroke on Duffy tonight and that lying bitch Joy McPhail says BCers are outraged at the PM. Why Separatist supporter McPhail thinks she speaks for the peolpe of BC is anybody's guess, and of course she's lying her considerable ass off. These people are ugly with a capital UG, and they will do anything to bring about the demise of PM Harper, so we have to stay focused or these wackjobs will take down the country with them.

Lori: I like your thinking, I agree with your take completely.

I am not super happy that the GG prorogued only because I think the better outcome would have been fresh elections against these 4 bozos with no money left in their coffers. Todays polls bear out what might have happened.
I still do not like the optics of a Paul Martin style "cling to power", too much ammo for the opposition. I have always liked our chances with the electorate, even with the MSM in the tank for these coalition clowns.
Perhaps we get a fresh crack at a majority come Jan 27th? By then the Liberals will be tearing each other into various factions and this cabal will die on the vine.
Anyone else want elections?

Did that, Ruth, and the next day had a response from the office. Haven't heard back from Jackal, Dyawn, CBC, Global and CTV. Can't imagine why.

Someone earlier asked why the coalition didn't wait for the govt to fall before forming their coalition. Because it was planned long ago.
& yes - they did try & pull a surprise attack, they had planned on pulling it off already but Harper's too smart for them. He delayed that vote & the opposition was furious at him for doing that because it gave us a chance to see what they were doing behind our backs. The voters & all Canadians had a right to know. The coalition is STILL pissed (heard it come out tonight) because Harper gave that right to us.

Stefan Dion. The Peewee Herman of Canadian Politics.
The magic word for today was: Prorogued

No more political porn for you Dion. You got caught with your pants down as your doppelganger did in a more elemental way.
No PM for you brother.
Boom baby Boom!

Lori at December 4, 2008 7:54 PM

Tghis putsch was planned from election day. The only error made by Harper was to exist.

The GG did her job, no more, no less.

That she did her job is a miracle, given her background or lack of background. The fact that it took two hours means that she exercised her right to advise and warn. All fair game as long as she doesnt decide.

Right now though, I would love to hear the sigh of relief that went up at Buckingham Palace. The Queen, better than anyone, knows that the last words the Queen wishes to utter are "In My Judgement" becasue they may be the last words she utters as Queen.

Taliban Jack.....

He's soooooooo concerned that his democratic rights have been trampled on.

Where's his concern for the average Canadians democratic rights, to have an election to choose their government? It's not up to him,it's up to the voters

Hypocrite!

Given the new love for coalitions from the Liebrals and the Dippers should Dusanj, Martin and Duncan be worried over this time-out. After all they have to go back to their ridings, all squeaker wins, and hope that their opponents from the election don't form a coalition and demand that the parliamentary seat be surrendered.

Lori , I agree with all of what you say.

While some feel that the funding issue was cleverly used to smoke out the Opposition and that is certainly plausible, I doubt we will ever know for sure. What we do know is that many blame PMSH with energizing these scumbags and we “nearly lost it all on a drastic gambit.”

BTW, I'm all for cutting the funding but I think we should campaign on it.

I think PMSH does not get enough diversified advice. He does not have people to set out the possible unintended consequences and he therefore takes risks that might be mitigated with a more thoughtful approach.

Hopefully we’ve all learned from this. But it would be a mistake to interpret the increase in the polls as all directly supporting the CPC. Part of that increase is intelligent people recognizing that we almost got our democracy hijacked . But “It's not over. We cannot gloat yet.”

To be clear I support PMSH 100%. Which is why I would like to see him get better advice.

Anybody hear whether Laytons mother has taken him behind the woodshed and whipped the snot out of the little jackbooted egotistical dork?

You know I always wondered if the solution to 'the Indian problem' was to give a one-time cash settlement to every Indian in Canada (probably we have already done this) and say that it is it, no more.

Same thing with Quebec.

Stephen:**The GG did her job, no more, no less**

Stephen, you are wise.

Steve Harper is an ideological scumbag that needs to crawl back under the NCC rock from which he slithered.
It's quite telling the slavish, unquestioning devotion he enjoys here.

Manny

Can you tell us how you really feel? You are not very clear

Re Ignatieff...came out of the foyer doors with Leblanc and Rae, arms raised, telling reporters that all three supported the coalition. He's not silent. He's complicit as well.

Lori:

Harper should govern as a conservative. Thats what he was elected as.

The left has never reached across the aisle when in power. All they have done is continue to march lock-step further to the left since about 1968

All that happens when conservatives (or Republicans) "reach across the aisle" is they get dragged towards and as such validat Lib/Left positions.

We won fair and square. When it was time for the left to "reach across the aisle" to us, they tried to overthrow the government and disenfranchise the Canadian voter.

Alot of Canadians who did not pay much attention to politics are now, and they are seeing what wretched, lying jackals the media are, and just how much of a hate they have for Harper, and how willing they are to soft peddle any Lib transgression - including sedition.

Harper needs to do whats good for this country, and since much of that will be to undo years of Liberal social reengineering, I don't think it will do much good to "reach accross the aisle"

Harper is a good, fair and honest leader. He has nothing to apologize for.

Hey, manthing, will have to bow to your expertise about slithering and climbing out from under rocks. You must be incensed about the opinions of free-minded individuals who do not rely on the pap dished out for all from your socialist masters.

Manny,

As opposed to the rageblind, reptilian brained spitooning he "tellingly" receives on other blogs.

I think the ideological scumbag line gave you away, might want to hold that back next time.

uuess,

Martin, as in Pat Martin? he was in a close fight? How close was it because I suspect that if the election were held today he would be gone.

I await the post mortems from the Dipper side but I really don't get why they were so wlling to let the Bloc get so close to them....would have worked better if the Bloc just said they would no longer support the government but might support a different one. No formal coalition, or "permanent consultation mechanisms".

The whole thing smelled like Meech/Charlottetown, elite driven, backroom and you just knew it was going to spark a backlash. How Dion (rae) and Layton missed it in the analysis I dont know. Why Laytons Western MP's, who knew and feared it, didnt speak up is also beyond me.

Manny, it’s understandable that you don’t have the time to read all of the posts in this thread, and that nonetheless you feel compelled to comment. I have that urge myself upon visiting your normal haunt. I will help you though by pointing out that the posts here have not shown “slavish, unquestioning devotion”, instead, just like your normal haunt, the posters are attempting constructive dialogue.

So why don’t you just ps off.

Ward - the annals of Canadian politics are full of good and fair and honest leaders who had the courage of their conviction, and ended up losing to opportunistic backroom dealers and shady operators who misrepresented their agenda and their ideology.

Mr. Harper needs to stay good and fair and honest without taking unnecessary risk that would jeopardize the bigger picture.

The single most important thing Canada needs, in my opinion, is 10 years of consecutive PC rule, minority or majority, to change the entitlement mentality and socialist tendencies of the government bureaucracy. This would address many of the ills that we beef about daily on this site and others.

Them that control the PM's office, whether majority or minority, control those appointments and those processes. PMs come and go, but bad bureaucrats are a cancer that takes a decade or longer to remove.

That's the big picture to me.

Lois I think they opposition went public with their coalition agreement for two reasons. One, to give it legitimacy with the signing ceremony, for example. Second, they had actually deluded themselves into believing this 62% voted against Harper nonsense.

They got the smell of power in their nostrils, and the moderates among them, who knew that many Canadians who didn't vote Conservative were quite comfortable with PM Harper, were reticent to speak up. Now that the polling is out and prorogue is in, they will be more willing to voice their doubts.

How Dion thought, with 26% support in the last election, that Canadians in any way wanted him as PM, just shows the pathological streak of the Harper haters. The hate him for his beliefs, but more because he removed them from their position of easy privilege.

This fight, however, is not over yet. Dion is deluded enough to think the latest polling still means he should be PM. He can't seem to understand the notion that there is a disconnect between our consitituion, which doesn't discuss political parties, with elections that are all about political parties.

I read a paper today that argued this disconnect becomes more pronounced as the gap between top parties in parliament widens. Thus, the paper says, only when election results are very close between first and second placers, does this idea of coalition/minority taking power without an election have any real legitimacy.

The paper also argued if more than two parties are involved in the minority takeover, its legitimacy is further eroded. When a regional/separatist party holds balance of power, legitimacy evaporates completely.

It isn't about how long it's been since the last election, this thing needs to be about pluralities and their size.

The voters, through their answers to pollsters questions, confirmed they see it the same way.

The problem for the Liberals is the GG cannot be blind to public opinion, for the reasons discussed above. If they pursue their attempt to defeat the Conservatives in confidence, they now run the very real risk GG will agree on dissolution. They will then have to fight an election with no money, no real ideas, with the NDP millstone firmly around their neck, facing an angry electorate they just scared the s**t out of.

IOW total and complete defeat. Are they willing to take that chance. Do they think they have a choice.

We will see, very soon what their decision is. Layton, while in jeopardy too, has a constituency further away ideologically from the Conservatives, so he may survive, and therefore feel complelled to risk a confidence vote and likely election to get his only chance at the brass ring of power.

Stephen; no I meant Keith from B.C. , the Duncan is from Edmonton.

What I find astonishing is when Jack said that Canadians can no longer trust anything PMSH says.

This from a man who railed against the $50 billion corporate tax cut and made it not just a key plank of his platform, but THE centrepiece! And remember, he attacked Dion and the LPC not just Harper on that issue. How many times did we hear Jack say, "Dion supports Harper's $50 billion corporate tax giveaway"?

Then Jack abandons it for a cabinet position.

Is he going to campaign on rolling it back in the next election?

Jack, I think Canadians know who they can't trust.

And Manny show up with his "words of wisdom"

Tell us Manny - why do you hate Harper so?. What did he ever do to you?

Just to clarify a point some of you have made.

Both Jack Layton and Bob Rae talked about a coalition DURING the election campaign.

At the time, Dion suggested a coalition with the NDP would spell economic disaster for Canada.

Considering what we know now, Layton and Duceppe (longtime marxist activists) had already agreed to form this coalition and recruited the dupe Dion after the election was done.

Read the contents of the tape, Layton tells his caucus they would look for an opportune moment to make their move.

I'm starting to convince myself Harper knew this and tossed out some bait that the power-hungry Layton would take as a signal to act on.

Harper need not apologize or be contrite for putting out the bait.

It was Layton who over-reacted, thereby showing a complete lack of patience in his goal of becoming the unelected interim Prime Minister once Dion was shuffled aside.

I claim the marxist NDP/Bloc agreement was done BEFORE the election.

Manny. Get an ice pack and put it on your head. You have taken a pretty good beating today and you could use the rest. Rent a copy of "Reds" and it might make you feel better....or not. I really don't care.

Why are people feeding the troll?

Some Liberals are now advocating that Dion be pushed aside and a new leader picked to head the coalition.

Didn't Ignatieff come out and say that the democratic thing to do is to have the leader -- Dion -- who led the party in the last election as the one that should lead the coalition?

So if a new leader is chosen, what does Ignatieff then say? That the democratic way is to have a new leader chosen behind closed doors before the Liberal caucus emerges to tell Canadians who their next PM will be?

Arrogance!

I think the Liberals are stuck with Dion for awhile. He is their leader until the convention. There is no way his ego will let him step down, he feels he will get another kick at the can after the budget. They would have to drug-tie and put him in a closet to get rid of him.

I watched Iggy and Rae and they seem to both go along with this coalition. After these polls come out they will back away, but there are alot of Libs that will remain in Dion's corner. Then the NDP with Layton who was actually the craftier one, his caucus of Marxist are square in his corner will once again stroke Dion's ego. The coalition will be weakened but will be still there come Jan. You see these clowns are so enthralled with themselves and power they really believe this is what Canadians want and need. These idiots will vote against the budget regardless of what is in it. I'll bet when Parliament falls after that we go to an election. The GG knows full well where the electorate stands on this coalition. It's the triad that is blinded by ambition.

I hope the backroom boys have taken notes and have these ducks pegged to use in the next election. Some of this would make great videos.

Canadians are getting a little wiser to what is going on and I don't think it will be forgotten by January. This whole episode scared the s#^t out of all the country and we are all P*%%ed.

So we agree Lori, and frankly the Liberals are desperately afraid that they will be out of power for at least the next 8 years, which will total the 10 of Tory rule you speak. I think that is what prompted this attempted coup. Its the only way chance they had at gaining power again.

This temper tantrum has been ongoing ever since they lost power. Harper could implement the entire Lib platform and they would still call for his head.

He doesn't slither, he skates... and in fact skates past socialists, separatists & has-beens on a regular basis.

In what ways should PMSH "cool it" ?

No, really. I don't remember him raising his voice and turning red as Chretien and Dion have.

I DO remember him reaching out to Quebec.
(Even Jeffrey Simpson gave PMSH credit for that. Simpson said "But with Quebec, it is always something. If not they will make it up.)

IMO, the politician subsidy ban thing is a winner. Politicians consistently poll LOWER than used car salesmen.

Again, this from Warren Kinsella, Liberal operative tough kicking ass guy;

[ Me? Why am I - unlike too many Liberals, who are running around like deranged street corner prophets, hollering about an imminent conservative apocalypse - so unafraid of Stephen Harper? Well, for starters, I'm from Calgary. Even though I'm one of the two dozen Liberals who lived there, it annoys me - it pisses me off - that Central Canadians perpetually associate Albertans, out loud or not, with Jim Keegstra and hooded Klansmen. When they get impatient with persuasion and argument, and when they start to insinuate that Harper is a Nazi, they lose me and a few million other folks, too. I disagree with many of the man's policies, sure. But I don't feel the need to peddle facile bullshit to beat him on the campaign trail.

The notion that he is a heartless automaton, too, doesn't work for me. When my Dad died, Stephen Harper called my Mom, right out of the blue, and he talked to her for a good long while. I had been ripping him and his party for years, and I hadn't held back - but he did that. My Mom is asleep in the next room, and I can tell you that neither she, nor anyone in my family, will ever forget that phone call. Cynics will sneer at that kind of gesture, but that's because they're assholes who have forgotten what feelings are.]

Breaking News:

Sandy Rinaldo tasers Craig Oliver in attempted coup at CTV National Headquarters. Lloyd Robertson missing. Fears that he may be in Belize. Hairclub for Men issues plea for calm. RCMP accidentally pepper spray CBC headquarters after dispatcher mixup. Peter Mansbridge tears of joy:

"I thought you were management. Thank God it was only the police."

Don Cherry rumoured to be inside.

Developing....

manny!!look the toronto maple leafs are on cbc.

Ward, I agree.

The actual meat of the policy does not matter to a Liberal. The only thing that REALLY maters to Liberals is that it is THEIR policy and THEIR pork. Adscam being the best example.

Harper could promise them the moon and they would still want his head. NGP group think does that.

Harper should do his best (as of today polls say he is) if he is returned to power fine. If not the regions will have to consider their options. Quebec has no option. Has been faking it for decades.

From wk's blog;
[ What frightens me is that Harper may have got the attack ads right. A coffee shop survey Thursday afternoon shows that rural Ontario is still stuck on, "What'd'ya mean, political parties get money?" and "The Liberals have signed a deal with the Separatists." Absolutely no one seems to understand the precedent set by suspending Parliament. It is really scary, out there on the hustings.
Jennifer Bunting. ]

Re: Harper's alleged failed leadership.

Rutherford had the best retort to that one:

“So now, Stephen Harper cannot lead the Conservative Party unless Jack Layton approves of it?"

Near as I can remember, that responsibility is up to the Party membership, not to some lyin' marxist involved in character assassination.

Ron,

WK's an "interesting" guy.

Funny, if this "prorogue" was such a new thing how come there was already a name for it?

Don't "precedents" normally happen when something new occurs?

You'd figure a LAWYER would understand the lingo. But then, he supported the sock puppets.

Yup, those newfangled ideas with the really old names. Sounds scary to me. Mosty cause WK passed his bar exam.

Kate, you gotta getting working on your fellow wheat fielders. The numbers in SK/MB are too favourable for NDP still.

Gosh ... haven't they learned anything? Brad Wall seems to be doing a super job in Saskatchewan.

I am constantly annoyed by msm hosts who say that Harper did not cooperate with the opposition. Excuse me but I think Harper won enough seats to be asked to form the government. Surely the opposition should cooperate with him, besides before the election he met with opposition leaders and asked if they would cooperate. Their answers led to an election. Furthermore during the election Dion stated he would not cooperate with the NDP and suddenly after the election he drops that claim, LIAR. And, as pointed out by Megan, Layton changed his mind on corporate taxes, he too is a LIAR. The look on his face as he stood beside Dion when this announcement was made, was priceless. He was very uncomfortable.

Wait? I always heard that 62% didn't vote for Harper or the Conservatives so by logic 62% support the coalition.

How many times did we hear Jack say, "Dion supports Harper's $50 billion corporate tax giveaway"? Then Jack abandons it for a cabinet position.
Posted by: megan at December 4, 2008 9:35 PM

And, mark my words, had the traitorous coalitionists actually attained power, they would have claimed Conservative shenanigans with the nation's finances, that a massive deficit existed, 'forcing' them to in fact cancel the corporate tax cuts. Not their fault, you see. It was the evil CPC.

‘Canadians say they are "truly scared".’
That is truly a stupid statement. If your question is ‘are you scared’ and have not another option to state your displeasure, you of course will say yes even though you don’t agree with the premise. This is how the media manipulate polls to get desired answer.

The Tories also were deemed ………to be the best managers of the economy in these troubling times.
This is an undeniable fact. The cabal is clueless as to what economy is. They think it has something to do with kickbacks, fraud and other such socialist convoluted ideas.

‘Fifty-six per cent said they would rather go to the polls than be governed by the
Coalition.’
Not if you believe ‘journalists’ in the “Globe and Mail’ and other sheets of paper. They would like to tell the masses that the masses ‘hate’ (they actually use the word) going to the polls.

Every update on CTV starts with "Harper has been thrown a political lifeline". This insinuates that without this Harper is dead in the water. Then they follow with Layton, and then Dion giving their opinion. Followed by "doubts about Dion's leadership" followed by liberals defending dion and denouncing Harper. Fair and balanced,maybe not.

Oh, Adler is as angry as I am ;)

http://www.640toronto.com/StationShared/BlogAdler.aspx

He does anger well... It lessens mine just to hear it.

Phil, that 62% is a far gone memory, check out the very latest polls. Besides, as the latest polls show, many within the Liberal ranks do not support the coupalition.

Torys have gained almost 10 points, and are well in Majority territory.
Fiberal support has collapsed, and the NDP? Dropped 6 points.

These results reflect poorly on the cabal's conspiracy to usurp power.

No wonder Wacko Jacko doesn't recognize any call for an election over this, slyly saying it costs too much, instead whining about his poor friggin democratic rights being violated. This guy is a walking disaster

For democracy, the cost is never too high!

Yup, Dan, Layton's commies are being shown for what they are.

Dion was always in the wrong party.

The "New" "Democratic" Party should be more accurately branded the "old-school communist party" but then, they'd be telling the truth and they try very hard never to do that - it scares the voters...

The Liberal Party is finished in Western Canada. Do you hear that, Ralph. Here, let me turn that up for you - THE LIBERAL PARTY IS FINISHED IN WESTERN CANADA. Now Ralph - go get a real job.

I watched on SDA, some folks (alleged Conservatives), that said they wouldn't vote CPC because blah,single issue,blah.

Now that you've had a clear look at the alternative, whatta you think?

What is truly funny is that the coalition has been a wet dream of jumpin' Jack for quite a while and he actually had the Bloc on board before the election. However he had a problem Stifle DeYawn wouldn't play along thinking he could win with the Shaft. There are no secrets in Ottawa and Harper learned of Jack's plotting. Harper decides to do a preemptive strike by calling the election. Harper couldn't really tell the Canadian public what he knew because the MSM would have made him out to be a conspiracy nut so he ran on his record. He didn't run a stellar campaign but still received an increased minority. Unfortunately for Jack Dion went into a post election funk and missed the grand opportunity. Had Dion played nicey nice with Jack and Gilles right after the election he would now be Prime Minister now. Of course DeYawn was petty and shunned Jack's whisperings until it was too late and Harper was once again sworn in as PM. Late to the game as always Dion suddenly realizes that the coalition was a great idea and waits with Jack and Gilles for the moment to spring the trap maybe after the next budget since that will give them time to put on the finishing touches. Once again Harper hears about their plans and springs the trap on the trappers with the proposed removal of the party subsidy. The plot is fully exposed with many many Liberals so mad at Harper they will crawl across broken glass to get him. Except the plotters forgot one thing. Westminster Parliamentary Tradition does not have any mechanism for firing a sitting Prime Minister. The opposition can bring down the government but that is all. The sitting Prime Minister remains the Prime Minister and the Governor General must follow the Prime Minister's dictates or call an election. The Governor General can not demand the resignation of one Prime Minister and replace him with another nor can she accede to the wishes of the opposition no matter how great the plurality. She can only go along with the wishes of the Prime Minister or in the rarest of rare cases ask the people if they want a new Prime Minister by forcing a general election.

In other words Jack Gilles and Stephane Parliament may hire the Prime Minister but only the people can fire him.

Having it any other way is what shall we say? UNDEMOCRATIC!!!

By the way Iggy go back to Harvard your dithering on this debacle makes you look like Paul Martin.

If there is an election in the new year are the three stooges going to run under the coalition "banner" or their original parties

From one of your southern neighbors--how is it that you who have experienced more of the benefits of socialism move to the conservatives in times of economic stress, while we do the opposite?

Or have I just answered my own question?

nomdeblog, "blame Harper".

This is the Liberal propaganda take. I heard one Liberal on the radio say that the whole of Vancouver, entirely, including Conservatives, blamed Harper.

A blatant lie, or she doesn't get out enough.

Blame Harper. My goodness, next we'll hear he is "scarey" too. oooh.

Of course, to the Liberal establishment he is; hence the desperation to get rid of him.

We will have our Conservative majority.

ural: "I watched on SDA, some folks (alleged Conservatives), that said they wouldn't vote CPC because blah,single issue,blah.

"Now that you've had a clear look at the alternative, whatta you think?"

I've been thinking the same thing.

In fact, maybe rather than "blame Harper" we should be blaming the Conservatives who caved and voted for Anything But Conservative. Some of the ridings where Conservatives lost by a hair might have turned things around.

And, Joe, I agree about Ignatieff's dithering/"choosing his words carefully." (He actually said that in front of the cameras a couple of nights ago. Choosing words carefully is a euphamism for "I'm covering MY butt.") His best shot at this point is to go back to that ivory tower at Hahvahd.

As an American grad student who's dabbled in the study of your politics (from the right side of the spectrum), this is fascinating. I mean, I can remember watching a documentary made by Ignatief bemoaning the rise of separatism in my undergrad Canadian politics class. The man's an Anglo Canadian from Montreal originally, and the documentary's a real tear-jerker about the effects on the Cree and other tribes and historic Anglophone communities in Quebec. Then the party he's in, the party of Trudeau, Cretiane and all these other guys who've been hammering the crap out of the separatists since 1970, the party which, as I recall reading, sent troops into Montreal to hunt FLQ supporters, this same party is going to form a coalition government with the Bloc Quebecois in support? It's not even that it's insane, it just doesn't make sense. How many lifelong Liberals who supported the party because they were the anti-separatist game in town will tear up their membership cards? How is the Liberal Party in Quebec, which will probably take the brunt of any separatist campaign in Quebec, feeling right now about essentially getting stabbed in the back by the national party? Will Anglo Quebecers and non-secessionist Francophones ever pull the Liberal lever again? It really really doesn't make sense. And, let's assume this coalition got into power and didn't fragment. Forget Alberta separatism for a moment; would they be within their rights under current Canadian law to withhold funds from the federal government? Because if so, that would cause a huge budget crisis.

Maria wrote: "Rae's moral indignations are so over the top that I am convinced he was the architect of this whole thing.

Anybody else with me there?" Yep, that was my initial thought. Forgive the American, but wasn't he NDP when he was running the ?Ontario Govt? Would be natural for him to assume he'd get to be PM and inact his agenda with NDP backing. Frankly I can't see how he wasn't the central player in the whole thing.

Manny,

I do not know you, but why do you hate me so much. By spitting hateful words at Harper, those very words are directed at me and every Canadian that voted Conservative.

I disagree with the political agendas of the NDP and Liberals, but I do not hate Dion or Layton. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and has a right to place them in the publics view without recrimination.

Layton and Dion publically name call and insult Harper on a personal level. Harper challenges their agendas, but never takes on a personal attack using hateful words such as "hate, liar, vengeful, mean etc." like Layton, Dion, CLC, and every other left wing protester.

There is a huge difference between Harper and the others, he has class and truly understands the importance of the job of Prime Minister.

Joe:

With all due respect, you really need to study Westminster Parliamentary traditions a little harder. Yes, the GG cannot fire the Prime Minister, willy-nilly. However, should a sitting PM lose an explicit vote of confidence, or a vote on matters traditionally considered "confidence" matters (such as budgets, Throne Speeches, whether to go to war, etc.), those same traditions demand that the PM submit his/her resignation to the GG, which is usually accompanied by a request to dissolve (note: not prorogue) Parliament and call an election. The GG does not have to accept the resignation or call an election, although he/she usually does (see "The Lascelles principles": the GG can refuse a dissolution if "the existing Parliament was still vital, viable, and capable of doing its job" or if the GG "could rely of finding another prime minister who could govern for a reasonable period with a working majority in the House of Commons"). This happened once at the federal level in Canada, when GG Byng refused Mackenzie King's request for an election, and instead turned the government over to Tory Arthur Meighen (whose 118 seats were more than King's 101 Liberals; King had governed with the support of 3rd parties). Meighen's government lasted through four votes, but fell on a fifth, which more or less forced Byng to accede to a request for an election.

However, should a PM lose a vote of confidence, and refuse to resign, the GG does have the right to dismiss or request the PM's resignation. This has happened five times in Canada, albeit always at a provincial level (twice in Quebec, three times in BC). I doubt very much whether PMSH would ever force Mme. Jean to do this; however, if he failed to resign over a lost confidence vote, she would be within her powers to dismiss him.

Here endeth the lesson.

"Kate, you gotta getting working on your fellow wheat fielders. The numbers in SK/MB are too favourable for NDP still.

Gosh ... haven't they learned anything? Brad Wall seems to be doing a super job in Saskatchewan."

Sadly, many in Sask. are hardwired to vote NDP regardless of the issues. If the NDP was to run Paul Bernardo as a candidate, he wouldn't win ... but he would get votes. Although the NDP are not fit to govern a Sunday School picnic, they are tireless organizers and are completely devoid of conscience. At a moment's notice, they are able to mobilize hundreds of "worker bees" to spread the word about "Mediscare" and the "Hidden Agenda". Remember that this was the party that did not hesitate to proliferate nursing homes with pamphlets solemnly proclaiming that a Sask. Party government would gut medicare and provincial drug programs. Apparently frightening vulnerable seniors is not beneath their modus operandi.

From my point of view after living in Sask. my entire life, the thought of the NDP being, in any way, involved with the federal government, was as distasteful as the Bloc's presence.

A. J. Nolte,

You understand Canadian politics much better than the Liberals. And you're probably right about Rae. I wouldn't be surprised if Power Corp has been planning this since the Liberals began their steady decline. This incident is simply an exercise in testing the idea on the Canadian public, so that the merger won't be much of a surprise later.

A. J. Nolte at December 5, 2008 9:23 AM

Check out latest polling figures at http://www.bourque.com/.

The liberals and NDP are just so far under the seperatist bus with this coalition .... that they can't see it.

"Westminster Parliamentary Tradition does not have any mechanism for firing a sitting Prime Minister."

Of course it does. All government ministers, the PM included, serve at Her Majesty's pleasure and can be dismissed by her or her representative, e.g., by the GG in the case of Canada. If you think this is all medievalistic abstraction, I'd suggest you look up the Australian constitutional crisis of 1975.

"The Governor General can not demand the resignation of one Prime Minister and replace him with another nor can she accede to the wishes of the opposition no matter how great the plurality."

But that's exactly what Sir John Kerr did when he dismissed Gough Whitlam, so why would it have been impossible in Canada? It would've been bad policy--it would've been a catastrophic mistake by Jean--but it wouldn't have been illegal or unprecedented.

http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=930018e7-5333-44e9-a0b9-bb70a9ae3e68
This guy doesn't sound like a card-caarrying Conservative to me, and this is in an NDP area.
So, my question is, even if both the NDP and the Libs replace their leadership, how long is it going to take the average Canadian not to think of them as the parties who cut deals with the Bloc?