I have one simple thing to say about the Harper's and the Alliance's negotiations with the Bloc:

I may flirt with a pretty girl but I've never cheated on my wife.

That's gotta hurt!

Keep your promise Stephen, keep your promise and lock mr nasty away.

Now is the time for the argument, this is how Westminster works.....

Yessssssssssssssssssss!

Check!

Well, let the exodus of the "loyal" Liberals begin.
Dion's "goose" is done like dinner.

Well, considering the circumstances, this was likely the best outcome.

But isn't this a misuse of the prorouging option? Shouldn't there be an emergency? What are the laws/rules, if any, around prorouging?

The mature solution would have been for this coalition never to have seen the light. Instead, if the gov falls (e.g. via the budget) then there should be an election. Simple and clear.

The best possible outcome, at this point.

Recall Ralph Goodale
What were you thinking Ralph?

And done without meeting with the Coalition Trio?

That has to be a stinger.

Now, the CPC had better get this done with a better approach.

Cause for sure, the media will want to keep spinning.

Good. This is the only way acceptable to Canadians, IMO.

In January, if the opposition parties wish to defeat the Conservatives when the budget is presented, so be it. At that point in time the Coalition of Three Asses can send the voters back to the polls and face the repercussions of same.

You think we Conservative supporters were angry last time? Just wait for that election in March '09 (?) when our ranks will be added to with angry Libs. Dion, you fool, if you are still the leader in March, (can't see Iggy wanting to take the blame for this one) you'll be the leader of a party with even less seats than today. What an utter fool. You've been suckered Stephanie. Harper has taken a bad situation and turned it into something he can smile about.

kate.

I sent a copy of the signed accord to your email in europe.

The whining has already begun!

We're having prorogies while we wait!

Johan i Kanada:

In this case, proroguing gives the CPC the chance to create an actual budget — y'know, a real reason to vote "non-confidence" — which the other parties can then vote down.

An election, while not certain, is the most likely outcome of such a vote.  And we deserve it: I don't remember being offered the option of a coalition party in the last election, and I would've appreciated the extra information.

Garth

Has Robert Fife been body-snatched?

CTV New Poll
Did the GG make the Right Decision?
Yes 610 (71%)
no 255 (29%)

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So, we have an economic hurricane coming with its rain and floodwaters to drown us, and…

- rather than work with the opposition to help Canadians and build barricades and window covers, Harper ignores the economic crisis and lights the house on fire…

- rather than put the fire out and settle with just showing Harper as the petty arsonist he is, Dion and the opposition leaders try to put the fire out with gasoline and turn an ignored economic crisis into a political crisis…

- rather than say ‘whoa, we’ve now got a bigger more immediate problem here, let’s get this out-of-control fire out’, Harper throws a handgrenade into the fire, tries to pit Canadians against Quebec/Central Canada, and turns an ignored economic crisis and a political crisis into a unity crisis…

- rather than step back and let the "Prime Minister" take the shrapnel from his own grenade, Dion and the opposition leaders try to prevent the explosing by jumping into the middle of the fire and covering the grenade with their own bodies, turning the ignored economic crisis, political crisis, unity crisis into a leaderless farce…

… and we’re the ones who get burned.

… and soon we’ll be drowned.

Can’t it be the other way? Flood all of these guys (notice how few women are speaking out on either side?) out of Ottawa.

Although it benefits Harper and his lying propaganda machine and his cowardly evasion of Parliamentary democracy, the GG did right to prorogue Parliament.

In an ideal world, The Queen would fly across the ocean, dismiss Harper, dismiss Dion (and send him to Ryerson U. for videography training), force the CBC to hire Layton for a bit part in This Hour Has 22 Minutes and force Duceppe to spend a couple of months working out in Fort McMurray.

I'm guessing she won't.

But one can hope. We've seen stranger behaviour already this week from a PM and opposition who clearly don't care too much about Parliament or Canadians.

Bawaaaaaaa.

Aw thats to bad

What about the three stooges?

Are they mad?

Bawaaa

So, we have an economic hurricane coming with its rain and floodwaters to drown us, and…

- rather than work with the opposition to help Canadians and build barricades and window covers, Harper ignores the economic crisis and lights the house on fire…

- rather than put the fire out and settle with just showing Harper as the petty arsonist he is, Dion and the opposition leaders try to put the fire out with gasoline and turn an ignored economic crisis into a political crisis…

- rather than say ‘whoa, we’ve now got a bigger more immediate problem here, let’s get this out-of-control fire out’, Harper throws a handgrenade into the fire, tries to pit Canadians against Quebec/Central Canada, and turns an ignored economic crisis and a political crisis into a unity crisis…

- rather than step back and let the "Prime Minister" take the shrapnel from his own grenade, Dion and the opposition leaders try to prevent the explosing by jumping into the middle of the fire and covering the grenade with their own bodies, turning the ignored economic crisis, political crisis, unity crisis into a leaderless farce…

… and we’re the ones who get burned.

… and soon we’ll be drowned.

Can’t it be the other way? Flood all of these guys (notice how few women are speaking out on either side?) out of Ottawa.

Although it benefits Harper and his lying propaganda machine and his cowardly evasion of Parliamentary democracy, the GG did right to prorogue Parliament.

In an ideal world, The Queen would fly across the ocean, dismiss Harper, dismiss Dion (and send him to Ryerson U. for videography training), force the CBC to hire Layton for a bit part in This Hour Has 22 Minutes and force Duceppe to spend a couple of months working out in Fort McMurray.

I'm guessing she won't.

But one can hope. We've seen stranger behaviour already this week from a PM and opposition who clearly don't care too much about Parliament or Canadians.

Ha ha!

Bawaaaaaaa.

Aw thats too bad

What about the three stooges?

Are they mad?

Bawaaa

Bawaaaaaaa.

Aw thats too bad

What about the three stooges?

Are they mad?

Bawaaa

I'd love to see that "accord". How can the Libs and Dippers say the Bloq is not part of the coalition? I say their fearless leader sign the accord. We all saw it.

So, we have an economic hurricane coming with its rain and floodwaters to drown us, and…

- rather than work with the opposition to help Canadians and build barricades and window covers, Harper ignores the economic crisis and lights the house on fire…

- rather than put the fire out and settle with just showing Harper as the petty arsonist he is, Dion and the opposition leaders try to put the fire out with gasoline and turn an ignored economic crisis into a political crisis…

- rather than say ‘whoa, we’ve now got a bigger more immediate problem here, let’s get this out-of-control fire out’, Harper throws a handgrenade into the fire, tries to pit Canadians against Quebec/Central Canada, and turns an ignored economic crisis and a political crisis into a unity crisis…

- rather than step back and let the "Prime Minister" take the shrapnel from his own grenade, Dion and the opposition leaders try to prevent the explosing by jumping into the middle of the fire and covering the grenade with their own bodies, turning the ignored economic crisis, political crisis, unity crisis into a leaderless farce…

… and we’re the ones who get burned.

… and soon we’ll be drowned.

Can’t it be the other way? Flood all of these guys (notice how few women are speaking out on either side?) out of Ottawa.

Although it benefits Harper and his lying propaganda machine and his cowardly evasion of Parliamentary democracy, the GG did right to prorogue Parliament.

In an ideal world, The Queen would fly across the ocean, dismiss Harper, dismiss Dion (and send him to Ryerson U. for videography training), force the CBC to hire Layton for a bit part in This Hour Has 22 Minutes and force Duceppe to spend a couple of months working out in Fort McMurray.

I'm guessing she won't.

But one can hope. We've seen stranger behaviour already this week from a PM and opposition who clearly don't care too much about Parliament or Canadians.

It will be interesting to hear what the Separatist Coalition spin-meisters have to say about this. Given that the G-G didn't even bother to call them in (at least, publically) they really look like they eaten s**t.

Tough!

You should read the comments on the cbc.ca site! Not a happy little group of idiot socialists.
I agree that we need another election and the cost is irrelevant.

At some point someone has to realize that this move by the Prime Minister was because he somehow found out about the coalition conspiracy and knew that he had to shuffle the deck early.

If you assume that the government gets past the economic update and the coalition defeats the budget then the coalition would have definitely formed the government. A coalition government would (will) result in a strong western Canadian separatist movement and a strengthened Quebec separatist movement. To eliminate this and keep a stable situation the coalition had to be exposed early and PM Harper did this by poking the opposition on funding.

This is much more plausible than this being an error or mistake by the Prime Minister.

Well, since Harper has yet to speak, the burning question on MY disgusting mind is:

Who is that Valkyrie body guard of Harper's? She looks like she could bench press a Buick! That girl is HAWT!

Yikes. Sorry about the multi-post. Sincere apologies.

Robert Fife: "...this might help make the coalition crumble".

Wow.

duceppe didnt sign it , what it says is establish a PERMANANT consultation with the bloc.

but he is certainly in the photo ops with borat dion and taliban jack.

"this will mek western pipples 'ead explode with grin house guesses" Borat Dion

Hey Ted, having a little multiple personality crisis this morning?

Yeah! Christmas is still on although we'll now have to look further than the nightly news for a good laugh.

Haha, listening to Layton now -- what a whiner!!!!

This is great news -- now a real budget can be presented and the coalition can burn.

Now there is precedent for any future government wishing to avoid a non-confidence vote - they can simply ask for prorogation. And when you say - hey, this is unique circumstance' - recall that all non-confidence votes are unique.

Remember this when your political partisans get it done to them.

It is so Canadian to look for the correct time in a big pile of $hit, rather than looking at the clock on the wall.

Hello thar 'tinpot teddy' or 'puking history', were you not happy about this. In Right Hornable PMSH in his speech stated that they have already table 12 items that would help the economy. Watch clip again, I am sure if you get in line and make the clawing motion of 'that pathetic loser Dion' you can still receive the government welfare. It's just going to take time 'grasshopper'.

Yeah, for the GG!
Now I can really look forward to the rally at Olympic Plaza at 11:00 AM this Saturday to support PMSH.

"Yikes. Sorry about the multi-post. Sincere apologies."
~Ted

Interesting that the first one is Posted by: History at December 4, 2008 11:50 AM

Canada will now have a sensible budget.

Canadians voted for a steady hand in a turbulent economic time.

Harper himself pointed out that the Coalition of Losers have made the economy the issue, not the party funding.

The only possible course of action is to let the party who can deliver a budget, deliver a budget.

The Coalition would have to go through the same pre-budget process and would be unable to deliver a budget until at least April. At least the power-hungry egomaniac Layton should have the decency to wait to the duly-elected government of Canada to deliver a budget.

Harper appealed directly to the national parties brilliantly: “My Canada includes Quebec, but the Bloc's Quebec does not include Canada."

Just a matter of time before the coalition unravels.

BRAVO ZULU, PMSH

Jack Layton essentially just said that he doesn't care about hearing the Conservatives next budget proposal, he'll be pushing for non-confidence regardless.

I believe that's what PMSH wants to hear.

Ignatieff got to the GG. Soon the editorialists will be proclaiming him to be Canada's savior. This is all about enhancing his stature in the eyes of the public.

Sorry if this ends up being a double post:

Dear History/Ted: Your summary actually isn't too bad, in my opinion, with the exception of one perspective on your analogy:

- Yes, I think that Harper lit the match...but it was the Grits/Dippers/Blocheads that took the lit match and set the house on fire. Plus, the house was clearly going to be set on fire ANYWAY by the Grits/Dippers/Blocheads soon enough, so all Harper did was influence them to do it sooner rather than later.

Apart from that, I can "buy" your analogy. It's not the way I would have put it, but close enough.

PS: Was your sockpuppet name chosen to reflect what your precious Liberal party will become? How appropriate...they're soon going to be history!

I don't remember being offered the option of a coalition party in the last election, and I would've appreciated the extra information.

Hidden agenda!!!!!!

Best guess on when Stephane returns from a cold winter walk.

How come when you google cpc to get some news, the Canadian Pallet Council ranks higher than the Conservative Party?

Cerberus just got a time out. Next step is to euthanize this dog.

My guess is that the hand full of sane voices in the lib party will kill this three-headed monster and send Dion to his deserved obscurity in retirement.

I was going to comment on it earlier, but the GG has been known to be friendly with Harper and their kids play together. I think we "misunderestimated" her integrity. I think the libs kid themselves if they think that Jean wants to be judged by history as the GG who wrecked the country.

Dion a goose whose been cooked. Harper's hanging by his feet in the kitchen, ready to be axed next. He damn well better have something up his sleeve to avoid being the new year's duck.

Most people won't like what I'm gonna say. I think Dion is not a bad guy, but he should never have been elected leader of the Liberal Party of Canada. I'm sure he entered the race as a kingmaker, or envisioned that his running would ensure a good cabinet position down the road. Harper is not a bad guy either, but he should have done everything to sustain a weak Liberal leader, rather than publicly slap him around. Whereever we are right now, this is not "good" for Canada. Rifts that were papered over (or bandaid-ed) have been ripped open - sometimes that's a good thing, but not now.

Journalists criticize the lack of a stimulus package - huh? Who gets the money? Why?

So, we're going down a river in a raft without paddles. Doubt there's a waterfall downstream - we are less an indebted nation than the US that has more to worry about - but if the wrong people get charge of the raft - it will be disastrous.

Thank you Ted.

Fife reported earlier that NDP and Liberal MPs who were in a bar last night (perhaps drowning their sorrows?) nearly came to blows over the embarrassment of Stephie's Al-Quaeda-directed video. Details I would love to hear. Cell-phone video of that would be worth millions. (And be of better quality than Dion's video)

All I know is at the end of the day,Mr.Harper is still at the helm,the rest is Ted...oops,I mean history.

Kate, I was one who wanted to see the showdown occur on Monday. Whichever way it went, the Libs as they currently exist would be finished.

The GG granting prorogation (sp?) tells the "coalition" she doesn't think they are the right way to govern Canada now. She may allow them to try once a budget is presented and defeated, but, I think she would lean toward another election unless the "coalition" can show very concrete reasons why the budget is bad for the country.

The best news today might be that we get nearly two months before the people from the government arrive to "help" us.

Le question est maintenant qu’est-ce qu’il se passera est actuellement qu’est-ce que nous souhaitons que se passera. C’est important que Messrs. Dion-Dceppe-Layton +/- Mme. May du ‘Coalition de Sedition’ soient absolument convaincu qu’il vont gagner l’election du printemps dans leur deguise de Coalition. Pas s’ils prennent le temps pour reflechir qu’ils feront mieux bagarrer l’election commes Mensongeberaux, Tetes Bloquistes, et Syndicat-Amants Socialistes. Dans ce cas, les Mensongeberaux auront le chance to regagner une minorite – pourriez-vous imaginer la premiere idee qu’ils vont avoir dans le cas qu’un Parti parmi eux a plus des sieges que maintenant ?

When I worked in Quebec in the late 80’s, I had business dealings with farmers in Portneuf County. I asked an elderly farmer what he thought of this whole separatiste thing. His reply:

“Laissez-moi vous dire quelque chose. Mon grandpere etait Canadien. Mon pere etait Canadien. Moi, j’suis Canadien. Mon fils est Canadien. Et chali*e, mes maudits vaches sont Canadien!

I believe the vast majority of Quebecers outside Montreal are staunch federalist Canadien(nes) and they will have nothing to do with this Coalition. The danger is the Coalitionistes ‘deform’ prior to the next election and ‘reform’ after it, since finding ways to skirt the truth seems to be a Liberal mindset and cash transfers in brown paper bags fits right in. Quebec won’t buy it; the West won’t buy it; hopefully Atlantic Canada won't buy it; Ontario seems to be buying it.

Apologies for the ‘three-years-in-rural-Quebec-twenty-years-ago French’

Aureus Puer
A proud Conservative in Iggy's riding.

Fife reported this a.m. that Lib and NDP MPs who were in a bar last night nearly came to blows over the embarrassment of Stephane's Al-Quaeda-produced home movie. Cell phone footage of that would be absolutely priceless (and of higher quality than Stephie's vid).

the rat at December 4, 2008 11:36 AM

What negotiations are you referring to?

At the end of the day,Mr.Harper is still at the helm,the rest is Ted....oops,I mean history.

sorry about the multi post... I got excited

GG Michaëlle Jean is nothing but a tool of the Liberals! Oh wait... she made a decision that wasn't partisan?

What is it with these Libs? Thinking thoughts and not just following party doctrine?

sorry

Another poll gone horribly wrong:

CTV

Did GG make the correct decision?

71% Yes
29% No

I am curious to hear the GG's reasoning for accepting prorogation this quickly.

Dion's in a world of hurt.

In respect of the Koalition of Klutzes, I believe the GG took to heart the immortal words of Trudeau -- an apprehended insurrection in a time of national emergency.
Bwaah!

MSM did its best to downplay the BQ/separatist threat to national unity last night.

Does this mean that it's not a real threat after all? That we have been duped by the LPC about need to elect them for the sake of national unity all this time?

Which would the MSM have us believe now? BQ good for Canada, or bad for Canada.

If bad for Canada, then what are these LPC clowns doing make a deal to establish 'permanent consultation' with them?

If not a threat, then what has the past 40 years of LPC branding as the party of national unity been all about?

Time for MSM/LPC to decide which it is: good or bad.

The mask has slipped a little. We've noticed.

I'd say that as soon as people go home from parliament, the liberal party's Brutuses will be dragging Dion's political corpse to the forest for an anonymous burial.

I would also say that Iggy just tied up the leadership and that Power Corp's Bob Rae is finished. All of which may be bad for the CPC because it's healthy for the liberals. Although, I think the liberal brand has taken such a beating it may not be possible for a mere purge to save it. More than leaches and bleedings may be necessary.

Stay Dion, Stay!

Harper is in an extremely strong position now. This nonsense that he must resign is simply a wish from the left because Harper outsmarts them at every turn. The Libs and the ND's have opened their kimono too far and the public doesn't like what it sees. It seems there has been a hidden agenda all along and it lurked in the heads (notice I didn't say minds) of the Liberal and the NDP "leadership".

I am kind of bothered by how long the meeting went. I suspect Harper got a lecture from the Governor General. She has seen the guy three times in two years for two proroguings and an election.

This fiasco is the best argument for having another election and Canadians just electing a majority government. If I was the GG, I would have called an election hoping this minority nonsense would finally end.

FYI the 0n-line petition: Our Right to Vote on the Coalition Government has just sailed by 1/4 million signatories, and increasing by the hundreds every few minutes.

link http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?CANADIAN&1

Everyone seems to feel that proroguing was choice #1, my feeling that Harper's first choice was an election after a non-confidence vote, but he and the GG couldn't agree so proroguing was a compromise.
Just my opinion, I know that we'll probably never know.

Go Stepehen! we're behind ya!

I heard that she was discussing Harpers new book on Hockey.

He has been holding off publishing it till the Leafs win another cup or backdoor Jack Layton becomes PM.

Anyone interested in seeing what Harper really wanted to say last night should read:

http://www.beerbellybuddah.com/2008/12/this-just-in-copy-of-harpers-real.html

Rumor has it from the hill is that Layton held a secret meeting with Dion days after the election to explain what he and the separatists had concocked. Dion was enticed when Jack told him, you will be the PM. The deal was sealed and when the time was right they would strike.

Dion and 11 other Liberals knew about it and the Wednesday before the update the Liberal Caucus was told of the deal. Sounds like it went ballistic.

Power blinds, if was not so sad it would be funny. Wait it is funny. Ole' Ralph in Regina is not answering his phone or emails. The gig is up.

All I know is at the end of the day,Mr.Harper is still at the helm. 'post by h.ryan'. I am in complete agreement with this part.

Rumor has it from the hill is that Layton held a secret meeting with Dion days after the election to explain what he and the separatists had concocked. Dion was enticed when Jack told him, you will be the PM. The deal was sealed and when the time was right they would strike.

Dion and 11 other Liberals knew about it and the Wednesday before the update the Liberal Caucus was told of the deal. Sounds like it went ballistic.

Power blinds, if was not so sad it would be funny. Wait it is funny. Ole' Ralph in Regina is not answering his phone or emails. The gig is up.

ryan - I can speculate as well; I speculate that Harper was explaining to her the full extent of the Hidden Agenda of the Coalition.

Ted, we aren't in an economic crisis; we are in an economic downturn; our GSP is still up; we are still solid. Those industries that structured themselves out of the competitive market, eg, auto industries, shouldn't expect the taxpayer to fund them to stay the same. They'll have to restructure. Same with other industries.

The global financial shift is a symptom of the entry of masses of middle class consumers from China and India into the global financial and economic network.

The Coalition is a deeply undemocratic agenda. Notice that it deliberately rejects the October democratic vote; and refuses to take its idea of a coalition to the people. It's set up that way, with the Bloc guaranteeing no fall of the coalition for several years. In return for 1 billion and several Senate seats. Is that democracy?

And, they've set up a two-tiered House of Commons. All Motions will be approved by MPs who are voted in by 100% of the electorate. But this won't be enough; these motions have to go to a higher tier. The Bloc, whose MPs are elected by less than 20% of Canadians. Over 80% of the electorate are barred from voting for this level of the House. A two-tiered House. That's not democracy.

Now that Layton has swallowed the Liberals, who can never shake free of being tainted in this way, will a break-away section of the Liberals emerge, to start up the New Liberal Party?

Congratulations Canada. Canadians are on the precipice of throwing away the one piece of identity that truly differentiates them from their cousins to the south. We are about to do something that America accomplished back in 1776. When the Fathers of the American Constitution signed the Declaration of Independence they created a republic wherein the final arbitrator of Justice is the State. In Canada we retained the system of British Common law, including the retention of the Monarch as the final arbitrator of Justice. A small difference in the greater scheme of things, right? Both systems are based on British or English Common Law, which is based on the Magna Carta. So on the eve of the eighth hundred anniversary Canada is on the verge of throwing the Great Charter, to put it in the American vernacular, under the bus. The solution to the litigation that is lurking behind the latest American election, requiring Obama to produce his birth certificate, is that the Crown in the personage of the Queen could demand that Obama prove that he is eligible to become President. In a society there must be a system of law to retain order and good governance. A system that embodies an ephemeral substance as its figurehead has a disconnect from the people who want to exist within the system. In Canada under the system we have evolved, the Sovereign with the assistance of the Supreme court, would adjudicate. Now we're about to get into the same mess that America is in. How do you ask? As a politician would respond that’s a very good question, and I really am at a loss as to how our country has reached this point because it was all explained to me back in high school.
When King John signed the Magna Carta he rescinded the Divine Right of Kings and allowed the Lords of England at the time to select a group of them to assist Him in ruling the Realm. Since then through the course of time we have come to the system that we have today. This system is encoded in the Statute of Westminster. The one thing that hasn’t changed is that although the Crown has relinquished total authority to rule, the Crown still has the authority to request an election to be called to select a group of citizens to assist the Crown in governing the Realm. In other words the Sovereign is supposedly to be seen as to be still in charge. So for the last eight hundred years we’ve been using this system where the Crown calls for assistance to govern. It worked pretty well, sure there have been some rough spots, the English Civil War is one instance, but all in all it’s worked for the last almost eight hundred years.
Under the present system the Crown in Canada is represented by the Governor General and the Governor General decrees that an election should be called in order that the people of the country can select their representatives to represent them in the House and ensure good governance and order. After the election the leader of the party with the most seats or representatives elected to the House meets with Governor General and formulates for the Crown the party’s plans for governing. If it meets the Crown’s requirements and is accepted then the Throne Speech is read and a government is formed and all members of the House are empowered to govern with the Crown’s consent. All members swear allegiance to the Crown, as the Crown is a singular visible sign of authority. If for some reason the ruling party in the House of Commons looses confidence of the House then the Prime Minister must approach the Crown and state that the ruling party has lost the confidence of the House and he requests the Crown to call another election. At this point the Crown has a number of options, but basically it boils down to the Crown can order a cessation of Parliament for a short time, the Crown can request the Prime Minister to go back to the House and try again, it can request the Prime Ministers resignation or the Crown can request the Leader of the next party with the most number of representatives in the House to attend the Crown. At this meeting the Crown can request the Leader of the Opposition meet with the other members of the opposition and decide if they can form a government. If they can reach a consensus then the Leader of the opposition returns to the Crown and informs the Crown how the Opposition intends to govern. If it meets the Crown’s acceptance then the Crown will again read the Throne Speech and a new government is sworn in. Fairly straight forward, it’s been operating like this for hundreds of years now. It’s all a matter of protocols, conventions, traditions, formalities and the like. For a society to function it needs to operate under a system of laws. We have one of the best, if not the best system in the world. Now we are about to throw the very foundation of our system under the bus.
The present situation in Canada should be resolved very quickly by referring to the Statute of Westminster. The coalition that was precipitously formed last week prior to acquiring the Crown’s consent has conspired to overthrow and usurp a duly elected and appointed government. Someone within the ranks of the opposition should have warned them before they began this process. To act in this manner is in effect to dictate to the Crown, and by dictating to the Crown they are dictating to the Canadian people. We have never and hopefully will never elect a dictator in this country, however we may never get another chance, if we throw out eight hundred years of law in the next few weeks we may find ourselves in a morass that has no bottom. In order to step away from this poisoned chalice the coalition should withdraw from parliament and the signators of this coalition document should resign. They were never elected under the mantle of a coalition and they were never given the authority or the Crown’s consent to form a coalition. They have acted without authority and as such this is illegal. This better be resolved somehow and in the present situation we have already tossed aside the Justice of the Crown.

The Prime Minister has Put a Lock on the Door to Parliment, This is Not what Canadians Want!
jack layton

Well there you go Again Jack saying this is Not what Canadians want
No Jack Your Wrong, we had a Democratic Election Not 6weeks ago where Canadians Expressed their Democratic Rights of What they Want! And that is Leadership & Good Governence When we are about to go into a Period of time that Rivals the Dirty 30's.
So If you dont Like Democracy Jack Pick Up Your Pail & Shovel & Go Home! Cause Canadians are sick & tired of you & your Rabble saying this is what Canadians Want & need.

ET: **Now that Layton has swallowed the Liberals, who can never shake free of being tainted in this way, will a break-away section of the Liberals emerge, to start up the New Liberal Party?**

The conservatives reframed themselves into today's Conservatives why not the liberals. Certainly, now would be a good time to start such a movement.

Antenor...thanks for the lecture, but I don't have the time to read your self-absorbed babbling. If anyone wants some real entertainment, go over to the CBC website and check out some of the comments there. The left is going ape-$hit. But it really is an interesting look into the mentality of some of these bozos.

Oh.....and I'll bet Lizzie May is miffed today...that Senate seat was oh so close!

FYI the 0n-line petition: Our Right to Vote on the Coalition Government has just sailed by 1/4 million signatures, and increasing by the hundreds every few minutes.

link http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?CANADIAN&1

Everyone seems to feel that proroguing was choice #1, my feeling that Harpers choice was an election after a non-confidence vote, but he and the GG couldn't agree so proroguing was a compromise.
Just my opinion, I know that we'll probably never know.

Go Stepehen! we're behind ya!

Ted is history.

I cannot believe that Dion just had the stupidity to come out & say when someone asked if it was about the budget or about taking Harper out - & Dion said straight out that it was about getting rid of Harper. To hell with the country - this was personal. They know they can't beat him so a coup was their only way to take power, & since they still intend to do this they really don't give a damn about our votes. But boy are they ever crying that that they were denied THEIR vote in the house!

naaahh . . she just made him sit through the entire slide show of the pictures from her recent euro trip

Dion, wait until Jack starts moving towards the center. What space do you think the Liberals can occupy then?

I suggest we start a collection for the broke LPC to buy them some tar and feathers. In his quest to "show them", he has pushed the LPC off a cliff.

Jack played the Dunce like a fiddle, and the Dunce fell for it.

Please check out this CBC video on the King-Byng Affair. It begins in 1926 instead of 1925 and it claims that Byng refused to allow King to dissolve Parliament and call an election. Not true. King asked Byng to ignore the results of the recent election, which gave Meighen a minority government, and let him stay on as PM with the help of the Progressives. Please help by complaining to the CBC that a more accurate picture of the 1926 crisis must be forthcoming and until then, this deceitful and incompetent piece of journalism be taken off the air. It draws a false analogy between then and now.

NB: The piece was first aired on The Journal in 2004, so it couldn't have been made to draw a false comparison at that time.

I am sure she will call an election if the Jan. budget is defeated. There is no way she can let the coalition govern. It is signed by the Libs and Dips - not enough seats. They would have never let the Bloc sign it - very bad optics. If the budget is good for all Canadians and it goes down to defeat then the Libs and Dips wear it.

I believe the PM played his hand well and threw this hardball at them to bring the co-conspirators out for all to see. He is just what we need as a leader. Those wolves are always at the door.

Has anyone seen any "real" polls on this? Nanos or whatever. This is at least as important as the election, where polls came out every few minutes.

The thing that pisses me off is the total biases in the media.
Harper is a bully, cant play with others, they openly question him saying that its his mistake.
BS, Harper passed more bills then most any previous prime-minister, he did so with a minority government.
This could not happen if he wasn't playing well with other party's. We all know this was planned before the election, and would of happed no mater what he said. I wish someone out there would say the truth.
Peter

First of all - thanks to the GG. She at least proved that she's not a Liberal pawn.

Second, this 'solution' is the best for the vast majority of canadians (e.g. Conservative and Liberal supporters).

While certainly not positive for the Conservatives, it is the best of a bad situation. The only better solution was to have a small group of Liberals cross the floor, but clearly this was not going to happen this week.

It's good for the Liberals, who now have a month to resuscitate their party, and re-establish it at their leadership convention. If they really want to run out the Conservatives without an election, they must do it AFTER a new leader is picked. Bob Rae is clearly a "coalition" leadership candidate, and Ignatieff could be a strong Liberal leader.

As for Dionne & Layton - they are clear losers, but whose interests do they really represent?

News Flash: British Columbia Labour Union officials are outraged that the GG made the decision she did.

Most telling isn't it. The Radical Left can't wait even a few hours to show their true colours - namely that they only believe in Canada's Constitutional process ... when it suits them.

Incidentally, is it also becoming clear to the rest of you that the unions are some of the most primary ones propping up this whole Coalition travesty? I'm hearing from some union members that they're mighty peeved that their leaders are saying that all union members support Le Coalition.

Antenor. . . . Thanks. Your post was well written and I enjoyed reading it. Helped make the situation more clear.

The political situation in Canada is now crystal clear. You have Old Canada (Golden Triangle) represented by the left wing of the Libs, the NDP and the Marxist Bloc who are losing grip on power and it is getting nervous. Old Canada is not able to understand that while they are still in their little make believe bubble of socialist Nirvana, the illusion is breaking down around them and they don't want to be woke up from their fantasy. The imperialist/colony model of Canada is fracturing and like many empires throughout history, Old Canada is blind to the reality. This Old Canada power grab has revealed the true intentions of the left all along. This entire drama was caused by the Marxists in Quebec, the hard socialists in the NDP and the left wing of the Liberals along with the union "leaders" across Canada (many of which are public sector unions) and supported (not that they matter much), by Lizzie May and her greens and by the Communist Party of Canada. This entire bit of theatre is really little more than a Bolshevik-like attempt takeover of Canada. That much is now revealed. The three stooges have been stripped naked for the Canadian public to see. And they don't like it.

Hope I didn't post this elsewhere too. I've been having a few computer problems on this site.

We won a battle I guess, but guys like the three stooges never stop coming. There is always three more stooges waiting to join the game.

I hope the Western Premiers are watching things closely and building a firewall wall around the West. A bad word? Don't care anymore. I've just seen the face of Toronto and Montreal and I didn't like it.

I also am thankful to God for our voices being heard by the GG.

Long live the Western Republic, I don't see any other choice.

I've got a question for posters on this forum: can you name one political pundit of any repute who predicted the formation of a Bloc/NDP/Lib coalition to defeat Harper prior to this week?

All we've heard from the MSM over the past week is that Harper was stupid, arrogant, careless....blah blah blah, and that "he should have seen this coming". I find it odd that I don't recall any MSM pundits foretelling the emergence of a coalition either, even though that was always theoretically possible at any time since Harper took power. Can anyone else?

It seems to me that his move was not stupid, it just wasn't clairvoyant. So I don't think it's fair to malign Harper for not seeing something that no one else did either.

Ryan 1:25-- two prerogies and a lecture?, seems like meagre fare. glasnost 1:43-- "Layton swallowed liberals" heard Laytom didn't swallow.

The GG had to swear allegiance to Canada and to uphold the laws of Canada when she took the job.

There is absolutely no way she could/can have any dealings with a party like the Bloc that is dedeicated to breaking up the country.

Her job is to protect the federal govt in Canada, not to molly coddle Quebec separatists.

The foolish constitutional experts keep referring to the Bing/King GG precedent.
Both of the political parties involved then swore allegiance to the country.
Bing/King is irrelevant today because this one involves people dedicated to breaking up the country.

And the Bloc will never swear allegiance to Canada, because they put Quebec first, last and always.

Antenor... I read about 2/3s of your post and I think there is definitely going to be some constitutional problems going forward. The coalition really upset a delicate constitutional balance by forcing the Governor General to make such a call.

A prorogue was the best option for her. Now if the government falls in two months, she can just call an election because the government lasted a few months.

The bigger problem is how stable and unstable this minority government arrangement has been since 2004. While no government has been defeated on a budget, there have been 2 proroguings and 3 elections.

Canadians just need to elect a majority government because this love affair with minority governments is getting out of hand. Anyone who continues to support proportionate representation should seek mental help after this crisis.

The Liberal party lets out a large sigh of relief, that they no longer have to stand behind a coalition that Jack Layton convinced them to join. The most likely scenario is that while Dion was trying to decide to stay or go, Layton approached the Bloc with an idea of how to kill the Liberal party. Take the first opportunity to declare a coalition that the Liberals would join and form a government. The Liberals would lose all support in the west and Quebec and most of their support in Ontario. The new liberal leader would be handcuffed by the coalition partners who would defeat his government at the most convenient time for them not him.

Fortunately for the Liberals Harper discovers the plan early and decides that he will open the door for this coalition. Dion helps out with an amateur hour tape last night and the Liberals escape extinction

Dandy @ 2:27, I am also thinking that Jack pulled a fast one on the Dunce, and the real objective was goal was just as you stated, destroy the LPC. There is no downside for Jack in this play at all. Only upside.

I am surprised, nay, shocked, that the MSM pundits could not see this coming. Maybe they were too busy trying (and apparently failing) to train their puppies.

Antenor - that was a nice post. A few paragraphs would have helped; You wrote:

"The coalition that was precipitously formed last week prior to acquiring the Crown’s consent has conspired to overthrow and usurp a duly elected and appointed government. Someone within the ranks of the opposition should have warned them before they began this process. To act in this manner is in effect to dictate to the Crown, and by dictating to the Crown they are dictating to the Canadian people."

Exactly right. The correct process was that IF the government of the day falls, then, the Crown has a number of options. The Crown must review the options. You write:

"At this point the Crown has a number of options, but basically it boils down to the Crown can order a cessation of Parliament for a short time, the Crown can request the Prime Minister to go back to the House and try again, it can request the Prime Ministers resignation or the Crown can request the Leader of the next party with the most number of representatives in the House to attend the Crown. At this meeting the Crown can request the Leader of the Opposition meet with the other members of the opposition and decide if they can form a government."

As you point out, the Coalition did not wait for the Government to lose confidence and did not wait for the Crown to call the Liberal Party in and ask if they could form a government. The Coalition burst forth on its own, to declare its intention of so doing. As you say, they had moved into a position of dictatorship to the Crown and to the Canadian people.

Nice post; again, try a few paragraphs for easier reading.

Harper knew about their plans, and his 'cuts to funding' announcement was geared to bringing them out in the open to make their Hidden Agenda public. Now, we know - and can tell the Stooges what we think of them and their dictatorship.

yup, time to look at that flawed document cobbled together by that kommunist dressed as lieberal

if the powers that be won't address this constitutional fault line than we the electorate (of all politial stripes) should demand it!!!

Best quote I've heard all week about this mess:

"This Coalition makes me feel like Luke Skywalker seeing the Death Star for the first time: 'I have a very bad feeling about this.' "

Given the economic crisis only the insane would long for a stay in Parliamentary proceedings. The hyper partisanship on all sides will only serve the petty while damning the many. Harper's desire to co-ordinate his return to Parliament with Obama's inaugural proves two things:

1. - he is devoid of original ideas.

2. - he would prefer to subject us to unnecessary economic peril to save his own political skin. Our dollar will fall through the floor between now and January.

My PM = coward.

Heard on Rutherford this morning:

Constitutional expert, whose paper/opinion on the subject was presented in the House this week, said that contrary to the popular version, the GG does not have the right to do anything but what the PM orders. Once a PM is chosen and accepted by the GG, that person is PM until he resigns AND a new PM is chosen and sworn in - no gap. The GG does not decide anything about a current PM. So, "asking" for prorogue is not exactly the correct phrasing. Also, the opposition cannot under any circumstance ask for any decision from the GG.

The reasoning is that the PM is elected, the GG is not elected, and cannot interfere with elected officials. The GG involvement is "royal perogative" where the royal or representative does announcements, but PM writes the script. Eg. Throne speech, declaration of war.

Example was from Australia where the GG was contemplating giving the government to an opposition party instead of an election and received a call from the Queen saying "Butt out".

I assume that this would be the basis of any Conservative legal challenge to contrary GG action.

BeerBellyBuddah: Harper gave some original ideas to deal with the economic crisis. He was going to have the government tighten its belt like the rest of the population is doing.

He was not going to run around and spend money worthlessly like everyone else. There is no evidence these stimulus packages do anything except run deficits which mean higher taxes in the future.

Harper has provided plenty stimulus over the last few years already. He cut taxes for everyone twice! He increased spending!

This is a time for austerity. It is not a time to bail out every pathetic company who is about to die.

"Canadians just need to elect a majority government because this love affair with minority governments is getting out of hand. Anyone who continues to support proportionate representation should seek mental help after this crisis."
Posted by: Ryan at December 4, 2008 2:24 PM

Yes, indeed. Needless to say, one of the voices speaking up for proportional representation is Brian Mason, Alberta NDP leader. I guess that says it all, eh?

Thursday afternoon and...all's well.Stephane Dion and the wife have been spotted at Future Shop in Gatineau checking out Christmas specials on cordcams....Jack Layton is sipping a glass of wine with PSAC union reps...And Duceppe is discussing his future over a pint with Fat Jack Pariseau.Mr Harper,on the other hand is preparing Christmas cards with Mrs.Harper....chances are Stephane ,Jack and Gilles are not on the list......

Go over to the CBC website and see some of the looney bleatings going on in their comments section. My guess is that there will be a rush to the Emergency Wards of many hospitals in Canada as some of these leftie weirdos have strokes or heart attacks. What a screaming bundle of lunatics!

Imagine what the world might look like today had Neville Chamberlain taken the Harper approach when faced with losing the confidence of the British House of Commons in May 1940.

Buddah,

He's timing his budget to coincide with obama so he can see/plan/...BUDGET for any auto-bailout in COORDINATION with the US government and their US auto companies. As much as it pains me to look at the government bail out private corporations (especially foreign owned ones,) if we must, at the very least we should wait until we know what's needed if anything.

Tossing money at them now is shoots your whole wad before it's time and leaves you with no negotiating power when obama comes along and demands the auto companies move all the jobs to the US.

That is a retard's move that only Dion, Layton and the communist separatist guy would make. An idiot leftard such as yourself may not be able to see it (and the weasel media won't say so if they do see it,) but the general public (outside Toronto and Quebec) will see it - and clearly.

"Now there is precedent for any future government wishing to avoid a non-confidence vote - they can simply ask for prorogation."

For all those coalition apologists whose best argument was that a coalition was constitutional and therefore acceptable, well ... so is prorogation. So deal with it!

Although the GG made the right decision and possibly saved the country in the process, we must all remember that the barbarians are still at the gates and, as they have shown, will stop at nothing to gain power.

When parliament reconvenes, the GG would be well-advised to keep a close watch on the proceedings and, if the Conservatives present prudent and non-partisan proposals and the opposition continues its belligerent and obstructive behaviour, she should file this away for future reference.

Finally ....Will Ralph Goodale, who has shown himself once again to be nothing more than an opportunist of the highest order, do the honourable thing and resign?

Will Jack Layton please cease and desist with his annoying pontifications about what Canadians want and do not want?

Neville Chamberlain was the architect of Britain's rearmament.

His only real flaw was be such a decent honourable man that he couldn't comprehend the reprobate character of a little jumped up socialist corporal.

Iberia, this isn't anywhere near the crisis of 1940. BTW, how many more days did parliament have to sit until rising for the Christmas recess?

Layton keeps bleating on about what Canadians want. A Leger poll shows 60% aren't thrilled with the coalition.

Jack, here's a bit of advice - STFD and STFU, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Iberia: Thanks once again for your brilliant insight ... NOT!

John Luft: Our lil' amigo, Iberia, normally spends all his time over at CBC News but once in a while comes over here to share his Radical Left brilliance with us.

Squiggy: Hilarious!!! (You should send your ideas to Rick Mercer for a Xmas special)

Foobius: Thank you for sharing that. One thing I've immediately noticed is how so many of our "friends" on the Left are blowing a gasket because the GG dared not to listen to their sage advice.

Foobius: you asked above if there have been any real polls on this. Ezra linked this morning to a "massive" national poll from Leger showing that sixty percent nationally oppose the coalition, including seventy percent of Canadians outside Quebec.

Sixty-four percent of Ontarians are concerned about the Bloc's presence in the coalition. As Ezra said,

"In that generic Ontario riding, you've got three parties chasing that 31% -- the Liberals, NDP and the Greens. And you've got the Conservatives all by itself, fishing in the 64% pond. Those kind of numbers would mean Tory victories in Toronto proper.

"And we're just three days into this thing."

Ryan @2:48pm

My pappy always taught me that when you pick a fight you stick around to defend your position. Harper sacrificed his integrity by: a)picking an unnecessary fight, b)then backtracking on his economic statement he tried (with faux regret) to take back the offending parts, c) now, having lost all confidence among the opposition that his word is worth a damn he avails himself of an arcane prorogation ploy to hang on to power. Sorry, but that is cowardice.

Look, I don't know if the coalition has a snowball's chance in hell, and I do now that if Harper had only stuck to strict economic meat and potatoes he might have actually been able to navigate this global crisis - but, unfortunately, this petty-petty-petty man decided to piss away any hope of a cooperative parliamentary session. His words to "govern responsibly" in the aftermath of the October election have been shown to be meaningless. There's no going back -regardless of what happens with the Libs the die is cast - Harper is toast and the rest of us have to pray the result doesn't further cripple our collective ability to address the real problem -i.e. day-to-day economic survival.

I don't even know why the leftards are so mad at the GG. She just saved the Liberal brand from irreparably being tossed into the gutter.

She did the Liberals the biggest favour by taking the gun out of their hand before they shot themselves in the face.

I'm only happy because now getting rid of the libs will be done without 6 separatist senators, one defeated green party wanker/senator getting into cabinet, 30billion cash and an extra billion a year until eternity to Quebec. Oh, and we get to keep the country intact (although losing quebec and toronto and keeping the rest would be my preferred option.)

Iberia: Thanks once again for your brilliant insight ... NOT!

John Luft: Our lil' amigo, Iberia, normally spends all his time over at CBC News but once in a while comes over here to share his Radical Left brilliance with us.

Squiggy: Hilarious!!! (You should send your ideas to Rick Mercer for a Xmas special)

Foobius: Thank you for sharing that. One thing I've immediately noticed is how so many of our "friends" on the Left are blowing a gasket because the GG dared not to listen to their sage advice.

Ten Bucks Gilles leaves Ottawa within weeks when the PQ get crush by Charest. Charest will be useful again too... fighting the Devil Himself in the National Assembly.

Sorry about the long post at 12:38 Kate and to the rest of your readers but I think I had to put some background to it for a better understanding. I've also sent it to a number of papers in Canada. What the MSM is saying is that the coalition is not unconstitutional, but if you understand the system, and the formalities involved it is. Some will say it is only a matter of timing to that I will respond with so was the declaration of war on Japan. Once again thanks to the readers that persevered to the end.

Let me get this right, the Liberal Party did not have a teleprompter so Stephane had to read from a laptop and look totally ridiculous. Some coalition, you would think one of the other parties might have lent them one????

I think they've been accusing the wrong party of having a hidden agenda.

Jack and Co. have had their hidden agenda for quite awhile by the looks of things.

They've been just waiting to pull their moose out of their hat. Economic reason was just a huge farse.

Prime Minister Harper's press conference today was much more powerful than his speech last night.
Watch it, keep it, use it.
The MSM are totally ignoring .

Antenor, I for one appreciate your heartfelt attempt to explain the historical context but you're going to get yourself into a padded cell PDQ if you think that those on the Left are going to pay ANY attention to such arguments!

Remember that these are the same people who say, with great bombastic conviction:

"62% of Canadians voted against the Conservatives so Le Coalition actually has a mandate to govern."

"Using the term "separatist" now to describe Bloc Quebecois & Parti Quebecois members is inflammatory and a slap into the face of average Quebecers."

"Harper is a fascist and a reincarnation of Hitler. He won't be happy until all MPs are goose-stepping down the Halls of Parliament."

"Reducing taxes doesn't put money into people's pockets."

So keep up the fight indeed but fully realize what you're dealing with!

I tried to leave this on that Curran creep's blog but I couldn't:

So let me get this straight:

You aren't upset about the libs trying to seal power after they lost the election.

You aren't upset about "senator Liz May" the new environment minister.

You aren't upset about a partnership with the separatists (where the PM may be liberal but the senior partner is the Bloc - veto and all.)

You aren't upset at giving the separatists 6 senate seats.

You aren't upset about the extra 30 billion spent without thought and the extra billion thrown at the separatist every year until eternity.

The only thing you are upset about is that your slippery weasel party didn't HIDE their intentions until they could get away with the theft.

Yup, you're a liberal.

The "coalitionistas" have been amplified mightly by the so-called MSM (that's a surprise, I'll bet). According to a massive national poll taken by Leger Marketing, 60% of Canadians oppose having the Bloc hold the balance of power in the proposed Liberal-NDP-Bloc coalition, and that number rises to 70% outside of Quebec.

I don't think there's a teaspoon of common sense between Layton & Dion, or much sense of any kind for that matter. If Canada had the system they'd likely prefer, the result would be that Dion wouldn't return from that walk in the snow...

When the going gets tough, the craven prorogue.

Something very much like this happened in Saskatchewan in 1991, when former premier Devine prorogued the legislature before passing his government's spring budget.
The feeling at the time was that some Conservative MLAs were sufficiently upset about the direction of their government that they might vote against their own budget, raising the possibility the government could fall prematurely.
Devine's government staggered on to the fall of that year, but the early prorogation only underlined the image of a government no longer in control of its own agenda.

This little gem is in the comments over at Curran's website, "If we don't vote him(Harper) out at the next opportunity he will recover and he will call an election when a new leader is elected and soundly defeat him. We have a choice: hold together or fall apart and give Harper a majority by this time next year." That pretty well sums up the motivation of this coalition of fools,they do not want those foolish voters to interfere with their plans.

Let us see now.

“Journalists” say that taking away from politicians $1.95 is a mistake.
It will be the right thing to do. They are not eligible for anything from the plebeians.

“Journalists” say that stopping public unions from extortion is the wrong thing to do.
It will be the right thing to do; they are not superior to and should feel the pain just like the rest of the plebeians

“Journalists” say that it was a mistake to criticize the Block.
The Block should be criticized by all people, including “journalists”, although the term ‘journalist’ is neither used loosely, nor reflecting activities of said cabal.

(ca•bal [kə bál]
n (plural ca•bals)
1. group of plotters: a group of conspirators or plotters, particularly one formed for political purposes
2. secret plot: a secret plot or conspiracy, especially a political one
3. clique: an exclusive group of people

The conservatives should defend all these points as a mater of fact, not to get week kneed and roll over. The triumvirate should be revealed as corrupt, should be openly discredited. Their conduct and spin should be questioned by the “journalists”

Harper has not made mistake in anything he has done recently. He needs to do some talking.
The media would like this thing to go on, it is good for the business, the country be damned.

Yes, that's what's interesting over at Curran's site - that complete fear of and rejection of an election over the coalition.

It doesn't seem to occur to these people that they are thereby violating our democratic rights as a people, to elect our own government. It simply never, ever occurs to them.

They think that if they can get their coalition, by stealth, past the House, past the GG, and get it 'in', then, this is The Triumphant Way.

The fact that such an action violates democracy, ignores the electorate - doesn't even occur to them.
So much for the Liberal rhetoric of 'the people'. And the NDP similar rhetoric.

Incredible to read the way these people operate; no sense of shame, no sense of obligation to the people. Simply...how do WE get power. Period.

ET,

Yup. And they're angry at Dion for not getting it done before anyone noticed their coup.

The idiot is saying: "how dare you fail" rather than "how dare you attempt"

Time for a nice Proroguie dinner!

looks like Harper can have a do over on Jan 26th.

Get Jim to stand up and read the same speech.

Have them go ballistic.

Like I said in a privious post , one thing I learned about turkeys , If you hang them upside down for awhile they get too confused to struggle..

Harper , you magnificent bastard!!

Thank you GG. I had my doubts given your appointment be the Libs, your husband's kinship with separatists and your CBC heritage.

Why has mainstream media kept pointing at PMSH for stirring up the soveigntists when this whole schlaumasel is timed to benefit the PQ in the next week's Quebec election. Do Liberals think that without a viable separatist movement in Quebec there is no raison d'etre for the Whigs?

Is it that the Liberals are so obsessed with their history of alternating PMs of English and French persuasion that they would sell their souls to the Bloc just to keep this streak as vested in Mr. Dion alive?

While taxpayer funding unites the unholy LPC-NDP-Bloc tryst, one other common interest is protection of civil service unions. Is CUPE the driving force behind this insurrection?

This coalition has been planned for a lot longer than just the past week. The cabal goaded Mr. Harper into giving them an excuse. Methinks, I smell the orchestrations of Mr. Chretien and Mr. Broadbent in this sordid coup d'etat.

Vive Le Canada!

Jennings has just accused Harper of whipping up 'hate' against members of parliament. Uh oh,the HRC may have another case on their hands,fellings have been hurt. She is right though,I do hate what the libs and NDP our doing to our democracy.

Feelings,my mistake,forgot to use the spell chick,again.

closed unit the 26th of jan. freakin good. close the place forever. everything frozen for now and forever.

Ted

I can't help but notice your own denial of your own history. On many occasions you have adamantly argued on the side of AGW; yet, now you appear to support a bailout of the automotive industry that makes cars that contribute to AGW. Surely these companies going under is a good thing for the environment. Surely a new tax on Carbon will create new industries that will bankrupt the automotive industry all the while creating a green economy. This should balance any loss of jobs in the automotive industry shouldn't it? After all, it was good for Alberta and Saskatchewan, so surely the green economy will compensate for job losses out East.

I just listened again to Adler reading his editorial from today. This version seems to be an expanded one: http://chedam.corusradionetwork.com/dynamic/dynamic_audiovault_process.asp?dt=20081204_14

Tune to 34:00. He skewered, and I mean SKEWERED the tenured professors the MSM can't get enough of. He pointed out that a recent poll showed that only 7% (SEVEN PER CENT) of Canadians surveyed felt the NDP were the best ones to manage the economy. Why do I think that this would include 90% of CBC employees, 95% of tenured professors and 100% of Union Leaders?!?

What a crazy world we live in!!!

Nearly woofed my cookies watching Don Neuman.

Situation: Don's wrapping up a segment with CPC Jay Hill, LPC M. Jennings, and Dipper Libby Davies.

Paraphrased...

Don: I don't know if I'll see you before Christmas so Merry Christmas to you all.

Jay: Merry Christmas.

Marlene: Merry Christmas

Libby: Happy Holidays.

To me it almost seemed that her intuitive reply was going to be "Merry Christmas" but she shifted in her seat at that precise moment and 'forced' out 'happy holidays. '

So freakin' PC it reeks. I'm sorry their party consists of homosexuals and pagans who can't reconcile with Christianity so they need to pander to them but f~, gimme a break, when in Rome....

I'll apologize in advance if this comment crosses the cyber-Rubicon.

It is a very sad day in Canada place I was proud to be part of. I feel sorry for my children when I have to raise them to be honest and only to make excuses for the government in power how they lie and manipulate the media. This country that is a democracy and having Harper to close the government down before democracy takes place and uses the Gov. Gen to sucker punch the country is a SAD TIME FOR All. To All the conservative fans out there please for the sake OF ALL CANADAIN CHILDREN return to democracy and let the 2 thirds of the people of Canada decide if we want to turn INTO 3rd WORLD WAY OF LIVING.

Take a look at National Newswatch, which is obviously a template for 'the Coalition'.

It has, right at the top, a petition stating "I'm a part of the 62% majority"...against an image of an old pair of jeans..ie..grassroots.

Then, further down, a colourful ad "Coalition for Change: For Action on The Economy'.

Of course, there's not a word about the Petition on 'Our right to vote on the coalition government'.

And not a word about the cross Canada Rallies for Canada.

Again, Layton and Dion have been capitalizing on Obama's 'Campaign for Change'. But the major difference is that Obama's campaign was put to the people for a vote. Layton-Dion-Duceppe's coalition was to be KEPT from any kind of vote by the people.

It is a very sad day in Canada place I was proud to be part of. I feel sorry for my children when I have to raise them to be honest and only to make excuses for the government in power how they lie and manipulate the media. This country that is a democracy and having Harper to close the government down before democracy takes place and uses the Gov. Gen to sucker punch the country is a SAD TIME FOR All. To All the conservative fans out there please for the sake OF ALL CANADAIN CHILDREN return to democracy and let the 2 thirds of the people of Canada decide if we want to turn INTO 3rd WORLD WAY OF LIVING.

dd,

The sad thing is you're too idiotic to notice that you crab that the winner of the election won't let the losers steal power.

Well boo-f'ing hoo.

Give me a break. "for the children" nothing. Every big-state, greedy, money-sucking, lying, manipulating, honourless, integrity-challenged, socialist a-hole uses "the children" as a cheap excuse for their power-grabs, cynical abuse of that power, their theft of other people's money and their over-reaching state intrusion into the lives of Canadians.

How about you stick your head up your arse and break your neck in the process.

And for the record, it's in 3rd world banana republics which the losing party steals power after losing elections. In first would nations, the losers don't plot to over-turn an election which was just held.

Further, I doubt you have anything to be proud of and even if you did you wouldn't know that's what you ought to be proud of.

In closing, I'm not in a charitable mood to suffer leftard fools. I'm not willing to play nice and humour your idiocy any more.

"...please for the sake OF ALL CANADAIN CHILDREN return to democracy and let the 2 thirds of the people of Canada decide if we want to turn INTO 3rd WORLD WAY OF LIVING."

The semi-illiteracy demonstrated in that post is clear evidence of one thing. The poster is an Ottawa snivel servant.

Does anyone truly think this will end with no future repercussions? This is just the fore play before the affair. Even if Harper wins this round completely. Something called Trust has been lost. They have already tarred him as the villain & by extension the West. Silly people this is an Empire crumbling out East. They first raped the Maritimes, than the West since Confederation. A rat just gets more mean when its backed into a corner or its food taken away.
Adler & the rest of the MSM have bought into the idea already that Harper will just get another minority, than have to resign. Happy even. Even with the wide trail of evidence that this was defiantly a done deal a while ago. That Canadians where left out of the loop that this junta was already online On some stations this is now scripture. All blame Harper.
They work in radio, but know nothing of the Tape of the Traitors plotting even before an election. This was just an EXCUSE to form the pustules three.
I don't like any of them being a small l libertarian myself except Harper is closer to my ideals than the rest. Particularly now.. But sheesh the proof is overwhelming this was a coup. I have no idea what the Governor General said, but for my money (Yup another elitist sucking at the trough appointee.) I would like to be rid of a Monarchy no longer even relevant in the Nation of its birth. Let alone here. Specifically having a foreign representative to be one to decide Canadian destiny.
Eat the cake off your own pie hole Adler.
JMO

"...please for the sake OF ALL CANADAIN CHILDREN return to democracy and let the 2 thirds of the people of Canada decide if we want to turn INTO 3rd WORLD WAY OF LIVING."

The semi-illiteracy demonstrated in that post is clear evidence of one thing. The poster is an Ottawa snivel servant.

dd

I know exactly what you mean.

The difference is that I have felt exactly the same since the days of Pierre Elliot Trudeau calling us Westerners 'racists, rednecks and bigots', day in and day out for 14 years.

Trudeau's idea of 'reaching out' was to give Westerners the 'finger', and to tell us that we were not welcome in the federal civil service. And yet the MSM fawned over him as a 'nation builder'.

Welcome to the Club.

Tarpaper

It's quite something to read the posts by people blaming Harper for 'being a bully' and starting this 'whole thing' by threatening to take away the subsidies to political parties.

These posters don't seem to understand. Harper was smoking out the cabal. Layton-Duceppe-Dion had a plan to take over the govt without their having been elected as such by the people. Their hidden agenda plan was to, no matter what the budget said, to reject is anyway. Then immediately announce that they could 'run the govt' as a coalition. No election.

And, they had signed agreements among themselves not to put this coalition to an election. No way. The Bloc was sworn, by bribes of over a billion and promises of Senate seats, etc, to support them during any confidence votes. How's that for democracy? How's that for respect for the people?

Harper smoked them out so that their plan, meant to be secret, became public. So that we, the people, could debate and decide on it.

Now, the cabal is trying to tell us they were 'thinking only of the welfare of Canadians'. Heh. Sure. Setting up a two-tiered House of Commons, with all Motions vetted by a party that is electorally out of reach of over 80% of the electorate? Heh - some democracy.

Making sure there wouldn't be an election. Talking on their blogs now, about how necessary it had been to keep silent on this plan, and how Dion 'blew it' because it became public. Notice the words. They have no interest in democracy, feel no commitment to obtain the Will of the People. No, their focus is onlyon Power.

Some people state that our political method is that our only act is to elect and MP and then, our power is over. The MPs take over and can do what they want. No. That's how Liberals think, but it's not true.

We have a Representative Democracy. That means that the MPs represent us, the people. They don't act on their own whim; they are answerable to us. At all times.
Liberals think that they need to acknowledge The People only at election time, when they fling promises of billions at them, in return for votes..and then, after the election, turn their backs and ignore the people until the next time.

No; that's not Representative Democracy; that's just power hungery demagogues.

We, the people, ahve the right and the sole right, to decide on our method of government. And we didn't elect a coalition, and the smug Layton, Duceppe and Dion, who tell us that they know what's best for us - are hiding their own hidden agenda. Power.

We, the less liberal side, had to sit by while Parliament after Parliament, headed by either the Liberal or Progressive Conservative (aka the Oxymoron Party) Party wasted, borrowed, spent, taxed, indebted, altered, or harmed our country with no chance of repair in the forseeable future. Real harm, caused to real people, to reinforce political power in the electoral center of the ruling party. That center just happened to be in the center of the country.

We had to live with it, because the electors had spoken. That was democracy.

Political distributions are changing. More and more electors are tired of the Liberal Party way, which has itself changed over the years (not in a good way). Possibly the fear of WHAT IS is overcoming the FEAR OF WHAT MIGHT BE.

The electors have spoken. Yes, a minority. Yes, negotiation. Yes, cooperating. NO OVERPOWERING HOLD ON CANADA.

The last Parliament was continuous abstruction, rhetoric about killing the government, Senate blockages and underhanded tricks. If the Liberal opposition hadn't ran from important votes, for whatever reason, the government would have fallen long ago.

The Conservative party (not the PC Party) won a second minority. They want to get things done. Let them try. Quit obstructing. They cannot possibly be worse than the previous 30 years.

To those devastated by the Liberal failure to cling to power:

DEAL.

I love the "all the children" comment.
That's almost as good as "if it saves one life its worth any cost".
I believe the translation is "I have nothing intelligent to say so I'll throw the kids at the meanies. That'll learn 'em.

Several things:

Get over the prorogue. The house would normally adjourn in a week or two for xmas and not return until, yup, late January or early Feb, as per usual. No big deal.

The opposition needs to be careful bad-mouthing the prorogue. Badmouthing the prorogue is badmouthing her Excellency, the Governor-General (their Governor-General). She made the decision based on her constitutional choices, not the pm. For the opposition to not respect her decision, is to not respect Parliament and the office of the Governor-General, all which they have sworn to uphold. Bad juju.

Hopefully it took Stephen two hours because he spent an hour and 55 minutes going over the list of 18 senate appointments. Senate appointments are made without the consent of Parliament but with the approval of the GG. Parliament need not be called. If Stephen doesn't do it now, the coalition most certainly will. If Stephen is devilish clever, he'll offer a senate appointment to, wait for it... Steffie Dion! Iggy! Bob Rae! Jack Layton! then fill the rest with good conservatives.

"To All the conservative fans out there please for the sake OF ALL CANADAIN CHILDREN return to democracy and let the 2 thirds of the people of Canada decide if we want to turn INTO 3rd WORLD WAY OF LIVING."

Posted by: dd at December 4, 2008 6:15 PM

Well, dd, I'm worried for my kids' futures, too. Worried that if this Coalition of Losers ever gets in power, they will promptly bankrupt the country with wild spending sprees where none is needed. They will chase industry/business out of the country with higher taxes. I don't want my kids and future grandkids to be paying back hundreds of billions of dollars more debt that these jokers would be sure to rack up. Give your head a shake. And let me remind you, we just had a frickin election. Harper won even MORE seats. The West went overwhelmingly Conservative. Does that even matter to you?

Now excuse me while I laugh LAUGH at your naivete.

""To All the conservative fans out there please for the sake OF ALL CANADAIN CHILDREN return to democracy and let the 2 thirds of the people of Canada decide if we want to turn INTO 3rd WORLD WAY OF LIVING."

Hey,outside of Quebec,the conservatives won 133 seats to the 'coalitions' 100.The coalition wants to ignore those votes. Please,for the sake of the children,have someone that knows democracy explain it to them,preferably someone that knows,at the very least,how to spell Canadian.

'let the 2 thirds of the people of Canada decide if we want to turn INTO 3rd WORLD WAY OF LIVING."------------------ So,you want the 2/3 of canadians that did not vote conservative to decide whether or not to turn canada into a 3rd world country? Totally unnecessary,they have already decided.

"To All the conservative fans out there please for the sake OF ALL CANADAIN CHILDREN return to democracy and let the 2 thirds of the people of Canada decide if we want to turn INTO 3rd WORLD WAY OF LIVING."

To which I say: Why don't you pack up your goddamn brats and move them and yourself to Sweden?

The Liberal forum, as noted by Kate, sure gives some insight, as it largely is the true believers. Nice to see, indeed, there are many there that also believe that it is unethical to seize power underhandedly. More than I expected.

Given that the coup is on hold at worst, done at best, the grassroots, whats left of it, will be giving their local MPs a shrill blast through the holidays, realizing it just ain't right.

They also echoed the 'Don't get in bed with the Bloc' sentiment. There are still a few Liberals who get it, they've just been run over by the power-mad short-timers. That party needs a total rebuild (Shhhhh, don't tell them that)

When they have to import other parties retreads (Boob Rae, U!), the odometer is well past warranty