As much as I like Harper, and I do, his defeat by the three stooges will in my opinion be a turning point in the advancement of Western Canada as a separate Nation. Would you trust someone that's french and an x separatist, the GG, to make a call for the good of Canada? This may well be the turning point in Canadian history with the West arming itself with more that just oil, money and rhetoric.

As far as I’m concerned, “Quebec, just go. We’re tired of being blackmailed.”

I was disgusted by the mantra of nearly every commentator on CTV last night, “Poor Quebec [my FOOT!], its feelings are hurt. We must stop this.” What the heck about the rest of us, especially the West? It’s quite obvious that we don’t count to the left-wing elites in this country, who believe they have the divine right of kings. I was so proud of PMSH last night for not bending the knee to these tyrants.

With things as they are, even as a staunch monarchist, I believe we need to do things very differently from the way things are set up now.

Our GG is a fluff, political appointment: she’s married to a separatist and has no credibility for the high office she’s been given. That this political operative, who is definitely not seen to be impartial, has to decide the fate of our country in this crisis, is a travesty.

Westminster rules may work in Britain, where all the parties are either the government or the “LOYAL” opposition. Canada has a DISLOYAL opposition in the Bloc. Crazy.

(And, yes, since she acquired Sarah Palin Derangement Syndrome, Peggy Wente has lost much of the common sense she once had and the corresponding trust of people who used to respect her. Too bad.)

Dion cannot follow his own rational statements of the past. He has went completely rogue.

Very telling of the embarassement showered on the fans of the "Tree" traitors last night is the poll from the Toronto Sun, after this historic occasion, the poll questions whether movie theaters should sell alcohol. Is this because Dijon's tape was late? The folks in the ROC watched this fiasco on television. You should know that even large amounts of alcohol will not remedy the public's inability to understand what this member of the bright red nose big floppy shoe crowd is attempting to communicate.

The Coalition of "Dim & Wit" Keep saying the Bloq is "Not" I repeat "Not" a part of the Coalition!
So if that is the Case, How is that the Combined Votes of Dim & Wit that are Less then the Prime Ministers Govt. Defeat the Govt?
You cant say In one Breath that The Total of the Left (Inc. the Green)is More then the Conservatives When YOU INSIST the BLOQ is not a Part of the Coalition!
Hypocrites For Power

The Traitors New Slogan
"Jack & Gilles went Up the Hill to Fetch a pail Of Money"

The writing has been on the wall now for two decades and like most things obvious that one does not like to face, address or admit it is pushed into a little corner of it's own to fester. Has the appeasement of quebec all these years accomplished one thing for the good of Canada as a whole? One lasting god damn thing. Me, me, me, take, take, take, Bugger off, do your own thing, only this time you can pay for it yourself.

Petition, there should have been another petition, supporting the PQ to let them know we support their cause 100%.

Bugger off, and maybe, just maybe there is hope for a real Canada.

Ralphy this morning states the Separatist are not part of the Coalition therefore the Libs and NDP do not have more elected representation than the CPC elected members. John on NTR650 once again never calls his buddy out on these misrepresentations brainwashing the public. Numbers matter and either the Separists are a full partner or not.

I'm sick and tired of the tactics the Bloc use to control this country. Mr. Duceppe struts around in his arrogance knowing he has this hold on us. I say next election (and that could be soon), we have a referendum asking ALL of Canada if they should stay or go. It's time the rest of us decided. I can't see any reason to keep them.

Ralphy states the Separatist are not part of the Coalition therefore the Libs and NDP do not have more elected representation than the CPC elected members. John on NTR650 once again never calls his buddy out on these misrepresentations brainwashing the public. Either the Separatists are full partners or not.

where did all the trolls go?

Big sign Petition on National NewsWatch for the Coalition.
I see why you cut that Link Kate

Today's ctv poll
"What did you think of stephen harpers address to the nation"

impressive 4961 24%
did the job 6344 31%
dissappointing 9050 44%

If you combine the First 2 questions? Right!

I'm sick and tired of the tactics the Bloc use to control this country. Mr. Duceppe struts around in his arrogance knowing he has this hold on us. I say next election (and that could be soon), we have a referendum asking ALL of Canada if they should stay or go. It's time the rest of us decided. I can't see any reason to keep them.

I wonder if future PM You Tube will be broadcasting his response to prorogueation from his moms basement again?

Syncro

Maitre chez nous (masters in our own house). Be careful what you wish for. That statement is directed to Quebecers. Remember Mr. Parizeau when he stated "...like lobsters in the pot"? What did he really mean?

The sepratists ate one of their own once, Pierre LaPorte. There are no monuments to that man that I am aware of. It would be too much of a reminder of where this all started. I guess political blackmail is a more palatable concept for these people. If push came to shove, they might have to eat more of their own to get what they want.

Makes me wonder who J. Couillard was really working for.

where did all the trolls go?

One of the Talking Points of the Coalition
Get rid of the 2 wk waiting period(which is actualy 4) for UIC

I have been saying that for 25yrs or More,But lets Remember Who Put that in place in the First Place! The Liberals Thats Who, Not the Conservatives, The Liberals!
Hypocritical Coaliltion party of Canada

LPC MPs from outside the province of Quebec, if they think this through, must realize that if they support a coalition that exists solely at the whim of the Bloc, that the LPC is finished outside of Quebec. Probably finished inside Quebec too, where they won't have the federalist credentials to differentiate them from the BQ.

Thinking LPC MPs then, if they want to pull their chestnuts out of the fire, should splinter off, vote confidence in the CPC, and let Talibanana Jack face his own music, and let Dion can fade away into blessed obscurity.

news is leaking that some Libs & Dips crossed paths in a bar in Ottawa last night and almost came to blows over Steffi screwing the tape production/delivery.

Libs & Dips ina bar fighting ?? My kind of coalition.

Seems to me most of you could use a lesson in Canadian parliamentary law. The CPC didn't win a majority so they have to play nice with at least one other kid in the sandbox, otherwise parliament loses confidence and the GG has to either dissolve parliament which triggers an election or see if there is another option to form a government that parliament has confidence in. When Mr. Harper starts off the new parliamentary session with confidence motions that are not helpful to the economic crisis that we face and are designed to piss off all other parties, he can't expect there to be no backlash. Mr. Dionne and Mr Layton did the right thing and if we end up with a Liberal/NDP coalition the blame lies squarely with Mr. Harper. I think the best thing for the CPC right now would be to get rid of Harper and put someone in place who can work with the opposition in a minority and work with the caucus in any case. With the way Mr. Harper treats his opposition and his cabinet he will never win a majority.

just a reminder 10:41 "There are no monuments to that man that I am aware of"

Yes there are - Pierre LaPorte bridge is the main link across the St Lawrence between Quebec City and Levi. 1,000's use it every day.

MM

just a reminder:

re: Pierre Laporte. Interesting comment, I don't want to go too much off topic - but I never thought of that before, so thanks for that.

No public park, no statue, no building, nothing named after him. Why?

The comment by Ken Melrose@ 10:57am just made the crease between my eyes get a little deeper. What a joke you are sir! Should I call you sir? Or just a regular panty waste like the rest of the Liberal/NDP supporters? The "crisis" you speak of is a manufactured lie. Canada has faired pretty well until the communist, socialist and separtist parties got together and turned our political lanscape into a gong show. You make me sick.

Michael St Paul's - thanks - I stand corrected (not unusual).

I have polled people in the office, they are in favour of prorogueing our company until after Christmas sometime. Excellent.

Ok here is an interesting Thought

If the Coalition Dont succeed & we go back to the Polls, Who will lead the Liberals?
Or will they Run in an Election as a Coalition?

My guess if this happens No Coalition Party Running & Liberals scramble to get anyone other then Dion, And spin the hell out of it that he was Resigning anyway.

Ken Melrose....nobody needs any lessons in parliamentary law from clowns like you. I notice you mention the "coalition" as being between the Liberals and the NDP and like your sycophantic operatives in the CBC, you don't mention the separatists. The "coalition" is illegitimate without the separatists so at least have the gonads to say that. Of course, the Libs and the NDP have far fewer seats than the Conservatives so maybe you need to learn math as well as parliamentary law. One other thing that clowns like you like to try to kick dirt over the corn studded turd is that two weeks before the end of the election campaign, the concept of a coalition was raised and both the socialists and the Libs said categorically they would not consider it. And Canadians made their electoral choices based on that. I realize that people like you have little in the way of principles. I noticed that is a couple of debates in Canadian newspapers when the pro-"coalition" side got cornered ethically, their answer was "well that's the parliamentary system"....you will notice that they had no real come back....just "well that's the parliamentary system". They had no real answer. Just like you.

And I also notice that this call for Harpers resignation comes from the left and not from the Conservative party itself. The reason is simple. You and your comrades are scared to death of Harper. And it is the main reason why you and your comrades don't want an election....because you know full well that the Liberals will absolutely be destroyed and Harper will almost certainly get a majority now that the radical left has exposed itself for the scum it really is.

Ken, "Seems to me most of you could use a lesson in Canadian parliamentary law....."

I think you could use a reminder of WHO this great country belongs to.

I would like to know who is behind the rumours I keep hearing that PMSH must "step down",The conservatives must replace Steven Harper.
I even read that PMSH was going to resign during his address to the nation.
It looks to me like he has more support now than ever before.
Please call an election.

Rumour GG say see you on tuesday

The CPC won a majority in Canada, but the Bloc won in Quebec, so that majority became a strong minority. Do you get that? Canada chose the CPC while Quebec went their usual way.

Jack Layton had set up a deal with the Bloc long before parliament had resumed, and was only looking for an excuse to launch the coup and take over the government with whatever phony claim the coalition deemed appropriate. Whether it's a stimulus package or backing down on the party funding, the CPC has expressed a willingness to work with the opposition.

The coalition is more stubborn, petulant and childish than they claim Harper to be. Their pathological hatred of Harper is no one's fault but their own. Until they produce an effort to work with the government, this coalition should be put out to pasture. Dion cannot meet a TV network deadline and has compromised any principles he may have had in a deal with separatists. The Quebec flavour of this unholy alliance has Jacques Parizeau smiling, and has the fingerprints of Chretien, Broadbent, Bob Rae, and Jack Layton all over it. A veritable smorgasbord of socialist and separatists ; a collection of irresponsible, economically illiterate and power-mad opportunists hell-bent on spending $30B and creating the very deficit they have been claiming the CPC has been hiding.

For all the scare mongering and right wing neoCon Republican labels being constantly applied to Harper, isn't it ironic that the left wing is demanding that Canada do exactly the same thing as the US, when evidence is plentiful to prove that these stimulus packages are not working? Isn't the definition of insanity repeating something that doesn't work, hoping that it will this time?

We're still waiting for the GG to appear. Could she possibly endorse this coalition and go against Harper as well?

Hey Ken
Which parts of the update would you call not playing nice? Which wasteful spending of tax dollars would you recommend maintaining? Which parts of the update are not helpful to our supposedly tanking economy?
Please provide examples and facts. It makes it way easier to refute your arguments. When you deal in platitudes, it's kind of ambiguous.
We know what happens when the government loses confidence. I remember Paul Martin completly ignoring numerous confidence votes a few years back. What we've got a problem understanding is what's the real justification for losing confidence. That's the real foggy part.
Most of the theories out there are pretty ugly too.
So maybe, Ken Marley, the parliamentary guru, you could help us out by providing real facts to support your position. I mean other than 'Harper's mean'.
Sam.

John Luft:

That seems to be the point Harper is pounding on.

Without the Bloc formally being in the coalition, the Layton-created putsch cannot hold any legitimacy, since it has cannot match the numbers of MP's of the duly-elected government.

Parliament may not have the confidence in the Prime Minister (and that's obviously who they're targeting in their fake dump-Harper rumours), but no two parties have the numbers to bring down the government by themselves.

That is why Layton, the scheme's architect, needed to assure the Bloc would not bring down the illegitimate government on confidence motions.

The fact they clearly intend to not face the voters for at least two years is disturbing.

Well for us in the USA. We would so love to rid ourseleves of Calif & NYC. We have all seen what the libs have done to both states. (BROKE)

"if we end up with a Liberal/NDP coalition"

We can't end up with a Lib/NDP coalition; the numbers just don't add up. For this to work, it has to be a Lib/NDP/BQ coalition and the BQ will hold power.

Do you trust them to govern Canada? I don't.

Ken, I think that you need a lesson in political reality. Harper is his own man and plays up front and in your face, like it or lump it. On the other hand, Jack Layton freely admits that he was conspiring with Duceppe to subvert the results of the late election long before we voted. Canada could have 5 elections and as long as Layton and Duceppe sit in parliament and the electoral result is less than a majority for the gov't, we shall have two traitors conspiring to subvert the results to their advantage. Given the fact that Mike Duffy is reporting that Layton expects that he would be not a subordinate of but an equal to Dion suggests that he intends (as usual) to punch far above his weight in this "coalition". Rather than fire Harper who was elected to his position by the people, I recommend that we take take a cue from our American friends and impeach Layton NOW!

Related; "Dion should read his own book".
Home Video For Dummies???

Related; "Dion should read his own book".
Home Video For Dummies???

Let me share with you all a little episode I've already heard on the radio that has my head spinning. It combines the issue of Quebec and the trouble with deep-seated liberal media bias.

CKNW radio's morning man, Bill Good, was having a conversation with a reporter from Halifax earlier today. Good posed this question:

"Do you think that Harper is causing problems in Quebec by speaking out about the quote separatist unquote party in the tones he has?"

EXCUSE ME?!?

When Jean Chretien was banging the drum against the separatists (note that I'm not using quotes!) he was Canada's hero. But now for Harper to do it, he's the greatest devil the country has ever known ... at least in the minds of our corrupt media.

Ask a Bloc Quebecois member if they are a separatist and they'll gleefully tell you 'Oui'. But yet it's somehow now politically correct for any of us to mention this?!?

Has the world gone insane?!?

I would like to know who is behind the rumours I keep hearing that PMSH must "step down",The conservatives must replace Steven Harper.
orvict

The coalition (cabal) unmasked
Tim Powers, November 29, 2008 at 10:51 PM EST

My long-time debating partner Scott Reid has courageously unmasked the Cabal Government on this website. I encourage everyone to read Scott's piece because, as he all but acknowledges, this is nothing but an unprecedented power-grab by the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc.

Scott's advice to the opposition parties: "Their imperative could not be more clear: kill him. Kill him dead. Do not, whatever you do, provide him with an opportunity to extend his hold on power."

Hmm. Yes, of course this debate is about stimulus and the direction the government has taken on the economy. Yup, it sure is. If you need any more proof that this is a reckless power grab by the coalition, read Scott's article.

Not once does my friend counsel do what is best for the country. Nope. He advises them to stick the shive in their main political opponent. "Kill him. Kill him dead."
From Scott Reid's latest article
"Kill Him Dead"
"Dead, Dead Dead"

The double standard is truly amazing. Frankly, I couldn't be more proud of my Prime Minister. My donation is on its way. Now that I know Harper is still steering the ship with full support I think I'll double it.
Cheers.

Ken I'll relate what you said to wheels. If you have a unicycle you have one wheel. It goes in the direction the rider with skill and balance decides where it goes. Here we have three wheels, that is a tricycle with 3 on board. Other than the screams of did not, did too, gum in the hair, ice cream in the eyes and two yelling which way to go as entertainment it is not going anywhere significant.

"CKNW radio's morning man, Bill Good, was having a conversation with a reporter from Halifax earlier today. Good posed this question:

"Do you think that Harper is causing problems in Quebec by speaking out about the quote separatist unquote party in the tones he has?"

Bill Good, he's so bloodly thick. He's a Westerner, for God's sake, and he can't even think to ask the obvious question...which would be "Do you think this coalition effectively slaps the West across the face"? He's an idiot.

"Westminster rules may work in Britain, where all the parties are either the government or the “LOYAL” opposition. Canada has a DISLOYAL opposition in the Bloc. Crazy."

Well not being a Canadian I am at a loss to understand this somewhat, but I would add that in Britain there are similar problems brought about by the socialists. When Blair was elected he immediately pandered to the Scottish vote. In England the majority voted for Conservatives but thanks to the support of Labour MP's in Scotland and Wales the Labour party were able to form a government. Blair then set about creating a Sottish parliament and Welsh assembly. Now you have the ludicrous situation whereby MP's who represent Scottish constituencies vote on laws that affect England but English MP's have no say in the running of Scotland.
In Scotland they have voted to remove prescription charges for medicine. They have voted to abolish higher education fees for Scottish University students.

The English feel rightly aggrieved that Scotland gets more money per head for welfare than England. Then the leader of the Scottish Nationalist Alex Salmond claimed that Scotland, could join Northern Europe's "arc of prosperity."

A month later a number of Scottish owned banks have had to go to the Bank Of England for a bailout after running up debts they can't cover. I did read Mark Steyn's take on it where he mentioned the possibility of the Prime Minister asking the Queen to sack the Governor General. I would have thought this would be the nuclear option and I'm not sure the Queen would be amused! I doubt many Canadians would be happy either. Personally I wish the Quebecois would bugger off but it strikes me that this is about as likely as Scotland voting for independence. They know they can't hack it on their own and all the talk of going it alone is just bluster.

Soccermom when you typed Westerner did you mean Lieberal?

But agreed Bill Good is bloody thick.

Listening to CKNW will not keep you informed except to Lieberal chatter. They even have Christie Clark (wife of Stephane Dion's lieutenant in BC) hosting a political talk show on the air, No bias there!

It is amusing to see the MSM keep asking/commenting about 'hurting Quebec's feelings' in this discussion.

The Rest of Canada gives Quebec $16 billion/year in transfer payments.

Maybe the MSM should start asking -'Do the hurting taxpayers of Canada want to continue sending $16 billion/yr to the ungrateful separatists in Quebec?'

Tarpaper

I must say this coalition posturing is a bit much for our democratic country. Their eagerness to replace Harper whatever the cost is obvious, and will certainly be short-lived come next election. I am in genuine disbelief that the libs and ndp have been flirtatious with the bloc, resulting in this udderly distasteful ménage a trois.

QUEBEC!!!!! JUST GO PLEASE, SEPARATE, DIVEST YOURSELVES, SPLIT,WHATEVER JUST MAKE UP YOUR MINDS AND LEAVE THE ROC.
I'M ONE CANADIAN WHO IS SICK OF YOU SEPARATISTS.
NOW FOR THOSE QUEBECERS WHO WANT TO STAY EITHER FISH OR CUT BAIT AND GET RID OF THE SEPS OR MOVE TO A DIFFERENT PROVINCE.
BTW, I AM OF FRENCH DESCENT SO DON'T BE ABOUT CALLING ME PREJUDICED.

I am so glad that I stopped by Kate's today before I set to firing off another outraged e-mail to all the media for all their talk about how this is all Harper's fault and Quebec has their 'feelings hurt' and Harper should 'reach out' , then 'he should apologize'.... this just gets me riled in ways I cannot express adequately! I want to take Craig Oliver and pull his lips over his balding head, ( which is most of it) and that Donolo character? What an idiot. CBC is worse and there was not one yammering so called 'tv journalist' that made an OUNCE of sense. They ALL blame PM Harper! I wanted to puke and that was all before my morning coffee... by my time the Prime Minister went in to see the GG at 6:30 AM..
God Bless the man!- I think he is wonderful and there is not one talking head on any network, ( including that idiot Bill Good and the CKNW yammerers) who could shine Stephen Harper's shoes.
The conservatives under Harper are doing a fine job governing and then the 'tree stoougees' start poking themselves and everybody else in the eye and all of a sudden we have a 'crisis'! Yeah, if it involves Quebec, they pee their pants over how many ways they have been offended and just how much they will want to stop pouting.
Reading all the comments just put me in a good mood. Many comments are hilarious and I just loved them. Kate is always so articulate and funny. And the guy who compared the tree on a tricycle poking each other in the eye would make an excellent political cartoon if anybody is so inclined. I would love to see that.. somethng like what Lucianne does. That would be hilarious.

So, thanks everyone ( except those who are around here trying to poke US in the eye!) for coming here today calmed me down. Though I am still outraged at the media for the way they are blaming our Prime Minister and I will send more e-mails and make more calls, I took a much needed 'lighten up' here at Kates.

Thanks all! Better to die laughing than weeping in our bier!

After listening to a constitutional expert on Rutherford today I found it most amusing knowing that Jack Layton and Stephane Dion have forever tarnished their party's reputation in an endeavour that could never happen. Should the coalition bring down the government the Governor General could not ask the coalition to take over. The Queen long time ago stated that the GG MUST listen to the Prime Minister never to the leader of the opposition. Since losing confidence in the House of Commons does not remove the Prime Minister from the office of the Prime Minister (there can be no power vacuum between fall of government and election) the GG is forced to heed the advice of the Prime Minister or in only the most extreme cases call on a higher authority, asking the people, by calling a general election. In other words there never was a true threat of Stephane Dion becoming Prime Minister by stealth. In the mean time the Liberal brand has been forever tarnished with the attempt at what could never be! Talk about shooting yourself in both feet!!

I'm beginning to wonder if there might be a dissolution of the Liberal party with them declaring bankruptcy and the formation of a new Progressive Party which is a formal coalition of the newly dead liberals and the NDP.

You've never heard of the Pierre Laporte Bridge? Goodness, you should travel a bit more.