small typo..Guelph not Buelph

Well God bless Mr. Frank Valeriote for showing a lick of common sense and decency. Let's hope it holds. The Liberal Party has a habit of cracking down on such things.

One down, 11 to go.

If it is true, everyone should e-mail Mr. Valeriote and thank him for standing up for Canada.

Courageous man, with some integrity. Bless him.

Apparently, in addition to Jacques Parizeau, the Communist Party of Canada has endorsed the coalition.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hey Liberals MPs...just waiting for the first one of you to cross, nay, RUN across the floor!

It's more than a crack, Kate. The fact that he vocalized his disdain means there's a RIFT in the Liberal ranks. I suspect this whole coalition thing will fall apart from within the Liberal caucus within four or five days.

Apparently, in addition to Jacques Parizeau, the Communist Party of Canada has endorsed the coalition.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hey Liberal MPs...just waiting for the first one of you to cross, nay, RUN across the floor!

We may yet get our majority...(fingers crossed)

Congratulations to this man; it won't be easy for him, and who knows if there are any waiting to follow.

I was born and raised in Guelph, and still live close by.
He is a Liberal and all, but I've never heard of him doing anything dishonorable before.

I'm getting a bad feeling that this coalition is going to fail. In a couple of years it'll be forgotten.
Had they taken over, we would almost certainly had at least two majorities after that.

thanks Rich.

Chuckling Bobby Rae will be calling him a Harperite as he so soundly reminded Iggy if Iggy didn't come along side.

We need 11 Liberals to get sick and not vote.

But you only need 6 to switch sides....

Check out Kinsella's site, looks like he's not 100% behind it either. Quote:

"I don't love it, I hate it."

I wouldn't be surprised to see Iggy cross the floor. How humilating it will be to watch that tape, and listen to the jokes about it. It was all they could do on cpac, not to fall on the floor laughing as they waited for that tape of Dion. It was embarrassing for everyone on that panel to watch it.

Frank the Tank spoke in response to the Remembrance Day ceremony speech by former MP William Winegard. Wild Willie, a naval vet of WW2, tore the UN and the role of peace-keepers in places where there's no peace to keep. It was a helluva speech. Mr. Valeriote responded gracefully, not just mouthing the same old platitudes. He thanked all those who served, and those who continue to serve. Nice enough, but he also spoke directly to Winegard as a friend.
Both men impressed me. I voted for Wild Willie. I would never vote for Valeriote, him being a Liberal and all, but his stature grew for me last November 11th. His statement on the coalition increases that opinion. I still won't vote for Frank the Tank, bit he's earned something more valuable. My respect.

Question posed by my wife:

When it comes to swear allegiance to the Queen, what will the Bloc do?

I know they were Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition at one time, but is there a higher standard when their votes are cast for the hunta.

Perhaps that's why it's being portrayed as a Liberal/NDP coalition.

If that's all there is, then it's impossible for for the coalition to outvote the Conservative members.

Anyone else have the feeling they're watching a sequel to Being There and the Liberals, Separatists and Socialists are installing Chauncey (the) Gardiner as the Prime Minister of Canada?

I guess the guy with the good video camera on his cell phone had to take a whiz by the time Dion got through a usable 'take' for his rebuttal.

I think Frank Valeriote just became the front-runner in the race for the Liberal leadership.

I didn't leave the Liberal party, the Liberal party left me.

I emailed Frank last nite about this mess. I'm sure mine is not the only letter he received over the last few days and I told him I voted Conservative. He's new to the party and the house. He's a good solid family man and a down to earth guy and a christian. He cares about Canada first not politics.

You can email him here and thank him.

FV@frankvaleriote.ca

For your viewing pleasure -

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=4o0IEq_1kto

If you have a Liberal MP, email them. I emailed Joyce Murray, Vancouver Quadra. Now we have this fine fellow, a real honourable fellow from Guelph.

The floor crossers are lacing up their shoes.

ugh!!!!!

O/T
Liberal MP libel Tories -- accuse Tories of paying opposition MPs to cross floor?

Has anybody seen the Martha Hall Finlay interview with Don Newman tonight (Dec. 3) around 8:40pm? I'm trying to get a hold of the transcript or *avi file, but no luck so far.

She said something to the effect that the Tories having a financial advantage actually are using that extra cash to pay for opposition MPs to cross the floor...And she said "and that's illegal of course."

Sorry, wish I could get the video, but it was streaming live...

Don't MPs have to be in the actual house of commons (on the floor) to avoid libel charges?

I am not in the habit of handing kudos to a Liberal.

I e-mailed him a thank you for his courage.

There's one honest and realistic Liberal. Will there be more?

Martha Finlay had better mind her words unless she's damn sure of what she says. That has lawsuit written all over it.

A half dozen floor crossings would be BEAUTIFUL.

After that address by Dion, I am having a difficult time being serious about this comedy coalition. The three stooges with an entourage of adoring media and the cheerleading team headed by uber-separatist Parizeau.

I get the feeling that Frank Valeriote drew the short straw and now has to be the first one to jump off "The Good Ship Lollipop" without a parachute.

Having a whole bunch cross the floor will not happen, in fact if any do they would look like opportunists. Now if one quit the coalition and sat as an independent that is a whole different story and that seems more realistic. This seems to have so much drama going on that who knows what will happen. Although as someone who is a card carrying Liberal I am not keen on this. I don't like the Tories and I hope Stephen Harper as gone as PM ASAP, however I dislike the NDP and Bloc Quebecois even more.

I think that Michael Ignatieff has already done the calculus and doesn't want this Coalition to go ahead either. But having a few "lesser" MPs go first will provide good cover for him.

People need to know there's likely no turning back for the Liberals. If they withdraw their coalition gambit, Harper and CPC will have license to ride roughshod over Grits (I hope they don't, though, just govern well).

If they play out their gambit, and Harper gets his dissolution request (because it will be the first time in Canadian history that a party with the most seats in parliament was refused by GG), then we will have election, where CPC will only have to campaign against, or debate one party outside Quebec.

There will be no need for anyone by Dion and Harper in the English debate, with Duceppe added to the french debate only.

Maybe, Ignatieff and some other Liberals will fashion a face-saving way out of this, given where public opinion on the matter is growing (I easily swung about five people today, no effort really required). They may say something like, "well, we still believe in the coalition, but it's not worth putting Canada (iow themselves) through this."

Otherwise, LPC playing Quebec no limit hold em poker, and are all in, trying to convince the dealer to declare them the winner of the pot without showing their down cards.

Have they got the guts to see this through, government or destruction as a mainstream political party?

Things surely change very fast in politics, so this situation continues to evolve, but I see big cracks developing in coalition armour.

Unless, of course, they've known all along GG would, for the very first time in our history, refuse PM request for prorogue, proving firstly she is a Liberal hack, and secondly, causing the greatest constitutional crisis in our history.

I don't believe she wants to, or even has the parts, to do it; but, we will see.

Nobody has to cross the floor.

They could either abstain or declare themselves independent.

I suspect there has to be at least a dozen sensible Iggy supporters who will not support the Coalition of Idiots.

Once you get one Liberal publicly saying it's basically not a good idea it is only a matter of time before others get the gonads to speak up too, especially after Steffie's great performance this evening.

"When it comes to swear allegiance to the Queen, what will the Bloc do?"

Supposedly that's why they won't become cabinet ministers. They won't take the oath.

this makes me think of nixon with the missing watergate tapes....laughing my ass off..

Jack Layton's stimulus package, give auto makers tons of money to make vehicles nobody wants. Give Forest industry to make piles of lumber nobody wants.
Create a union of unemplyed to stack the lumber into teepees and burn, these workers will also be responcible to destroy Ford, Chrysler and GM vehicles in demolition derbys.
Get panel of experts together to determine if air bags will be on or off.
There we have a PLAN!!

Robert W. is probably right but it make him look like a follower rather than a leader.

Just saw a replay of Dion's speech on CTV...it appears that they have cropped the video to cut off the HotAir book in the top corner...anyone else notice that?

Also, Dion's speech would have worked much better with subtitles.

Just saw a replay of Dion's speech on CTV...it appears that they have cropped the video to cut off the HotAir book in the top corner...anyone else notice that?

Also, Dion's speech would have worked much better with subtitles.

Just saw a replay of Dion's speech on CTV...it appears that they have cropped the video to cut off the HotAir book in the top corner...anyone else notice that?

Also, Dion's speech would have worked much better with subtitles.

Just saw a replay of Dion's speech on CTV...it appears that they have cropped the video to cut off the book titled HotAirin the top left corner...anyone else notice that?

Also, Dion's speech would have worked much better with subtitles.

Just saw a replay of Dion's speech on CTV...it appears that they have cropped the video to cut off the book titled HotAirin the top left corner...anyone else notice that?

Also, Dion's speech would have worked much better with subtitles.

Wow....posted the same message 5 times....I think I just set an SDA record

JohnT - hit button once.

JohnT - hit button once.

JohnT - hit button once.

JohnT - hit button once.

Skip:

I did hit it once, but 5 different times

If they merely abstain, there would need to be at least 21 of them do it for the coalition vote to fail. Lib/Dip/Bloc have 163 seats in total.

They have cropped it, but the book was still visible last time I saw the video.

"Just saw a replay of Dion's speech on CTV...it appears that they have cropped the video to cut off the book titled HotAirin the top left corner...anyone else notice that?"

I was wondering where they book is. Sneaky incompetent bastards, aren't they?

Valeriote is a signal, like the nice letter in the Cuban Missle Crisis. Just need to figure out who it is a signal from, Dion or Iggy, and how to respond.

The book was visible on the CTV news with Lloyd Robertson.

The book is over Dion's Right shoulder. Top left of your screen.

Stephen, we will know when the Liberals start demonizing him, which is inevitable.

Looks like if this does not go through I look for the following narrative.

"Never really any intent to try to steal power, just wanted to get the PM to listen you see. All we ever wanted was to work together and get a little respect. Really if it wasn't for the fact that Harper wasnt such bully and a control freak we never would have had to have concocted this whole fake power grab. Really.

This is effectively the end of the federal NDP, which will merge with the LPC at some point and probably soon because their socialist credentials is all but in tatters... Either that or Layton follows the same path as Rae and defects to the Liberals. How can he remain a New Democrat? He championed a roll back of the $50 billion corporate tax cut... I mean, that's quite a significant promise to just break on a whim like that. It tells his supporters that he actually doesn't really stand for anything. I mean, to just walk away from it just like that, and for a symbolic cabinet position? Truth is, the NDP realize they'll never form government. This partnership gives them a taste of power... a little bit, but enough to get drunk on. They'll merge like the CA and PC parties did. Just you watch. Oh, one or two diehards may peel away in protest, maybe sit as independents. But the vast majority will go along. Again, for the NDP -- at least this current crop --- to have just walked away from something as significant as $50 billion shows that they can so easily be bought and paid for. And doesn't that make them suitable Liberal candidates in the next election?

"Valeriote is a signal, like the nice letter in the Cuban Missle Crisis. Just need to figure out who it is a signal from, Dion or Iggy, and how to respond."

I don't know about that. I think he could be making a name for himself, but your speculation is possible. Also, I don't mean to reduce him by saying he's making a name for himself.

If he does that by doing the right thing and standing up for Canada, I can more than live with it.

Jon, you're totally wrong. Getting some power for the NDP is seen as a victory within their ranks.

It's potentially damaging to the Liberals and a blessing to the Bloc. Those two being related, of course.

Next step for a majority - all MPs must swear allegiance to Canada.

Jon, read this. Note Ed Broadbent's reaction. I assure you it is not uncommon in Dip-turd ranks.

CBC is really spinning this whole thing against Harper and for the 3 Stooges. And they are fanning the fires in Quebec saying that Qeerbecers are not happy with Harper labeling them all as Separatists which of course he is not.
This amazing PM has had to fight 4 opposing Partys and the immense influence of the most of the Press who consistently attack him or spin against him.
I am just sick of this BS.
I think I'll just take advantage of my 2nd amendment right and find myself a hole somewhere and hope to hell some socialist comes looking for me.

Click on my name to see a pic of Dion with the Hot Air book over his right shoulder.

Franks email addy ??

God Bless Mr Valeriote. We in Saskatchewan must never, and I mean NEVER, let Ralph Goodale off the hook for his stand on this issue. He is an Eastern Liberal Ass Kisser and could not care less about the West. We must do all that is necessary to get his sorry ass retired for good!

valeriote.f@parl.gc.ca

Mailing Address - c/o Frank Valeriote, MP
Confederation Building, House of Commons
Rm 713
Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6

Office Phone - 519-837-8276 (Guelph Riding Office)
613-996-4758 (Ottawa Office)
Fax - 519-837-8443 (Guelph Riding Office)
613-996-9922 (Ottawa Office)
E-Mail - valerf@parl.gc.ca

Brent:

That's the original copy and I saw that, but with the replays currently running on CTV, you can only see half of that book and none of the book to the left of it.

Maybe CTV agreed to this do-over.

Anon, the NDP has no credibility left. Jack certainly doesn't and if the party doesn't merge then at least he defects. What does he do as NDP leader in the next election? Rail against corporate tax cuts again? Promise to role them back? Makes another whopping promise like that but this time, promise to stick by it no matter what? He'll be laughed at.

Rick, did you also notice how CBC showed a Bloc supporter on the street who said she was upset because she feels the Bloc "has a role to play "in" government"? Their was no mention by the reporter, indeed no clips of what Duceppe has said many times himself.... that the BQ doesn't run to be in government. It was absolutely ASTONISHING that that was not mentioned in the report. Also, Hebert continued on the Quebec-bashing theme. She said it's dangerous for the Conservatives to attack the Bloc for playing an active role in supporting the government when it's the BLOC THEMSELVES who have said they are against that very thing yet doing it now. Surprised Coyne didn't respond.

The fringe is unfringing. The part of the Liberal Party with brains will put this sad and short chapter of Canadian history to rest.

I was just listening into Rob Breakenridge's show on CHQR in Calgary. Being interviewed was Gil McGowan is, President of the Alberta Federation of Labour.

He had the audacity to say that "the Liberals and NDP are the most staunch federalists in Canada." He said it with such conviction that I perhaps he didn't even know how much he was lying.

How else to explain such a comment?

Why do I suspect it won't be too much longer before Coalition supporters are saying "2 + 2 = 7" and screaming at us when we dare to disagree?!

From Mark Steyn:

To recap: the soft left (Liberals), hard left (NDP) and secessionist left (the Bloc Quebecois) have entered into a backroom agreement signed in blood (and with many billions of dollars and Senate seats changing hands) and are leaning on the Governor-General to fire the Conservative Prime Minister and replace the present government with a "coalition" - a misbegotten pantomime horse comprised of three rear ends.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTI5MTBhZjgxYzdjZTE2MzI0N2IzMzExNGIxZGViNzM=

It's over. Warren Kinsella has (sort of) played his card - right after Valeriote goes first of course.:

"I was in Guelph last Friday for a meeting. I wish I had met Frank Valeriote then. Maybe someday soon.

Here's another brave man, Michael Chong, from the other side of the aisle. We were at a wonderful Sikh wedding last weekend, and Michael was there - and I can attest to the fact that he, too, is a very impressive person.

We need more MPs like these two in the House of Commons, don't you think?"

He would have posted nothing of the sort if he was in with the Cabal.

My sense is that unless Stephen Harper has to prorogue tomorrow because of the parliamentary rules he will not but rather wait for more defections.

It was said of Lyndon Johnson that his greatest skill was his ability to count noses accurately. In all his years as Senate Majority leader he always had the votes counted coreectly and only allowed a vote to happen when he knew had enough.

I hope the whip (jay hill?) or someone else has a similar accumen and will be able to reliably say whether Stephen Harper has enough votes/abstentions to win on Monday or Pro-rogue. He cannot lose that vote - especially now that he has said he will do whatever he can to keep the government in place.

people get real...

We hate you all... wait for 2-3 more months and Gilles Duceppe will be Prime Minister of Canada..

He will simply rename Canada to Quebec... don't assume it is not going to happen..

We are going to rule you.

Soon every francophone will have a anglo slave.

i'll be laughing... ah ah ah

Dave in Guelph - thanks for Frank's email. Thankyou sent!

Goodale took a stand on the issue? I thought he was too busy taking care of his constituants in some province that wasn't Saskatchewan?

"After that address by Dion, I am having a difficult time being serious about this comedy coalition. The three stooges with an entourage of adoring media and the cheerleading team headed by uber-separatist Parizeau."

Speaking of the coalition and adoring media, the Globe and Mail news site is now moderating comments, which may not show up there for 24 hours, if at all.

YET, Scott Reid, who is a Liberal strategist and has a vitriolic tongue, worse than vitriolic, according to a report by Charles Adler...Yes, Scott Reid wrote a column about this coalition coup for the Globe and Mail news site. The Globe and Mail must know Scott Reid by now.

Here's the ever subtle and eloquent Liberal strategist, Scott Reid, according to Charles Adler:

"After all, Stephen Harper is the most dangerous animal lurking in the jungles of Parliament, writes Scott Reid. Kill him. Kill him dead. Do not, whatever you do, provide him with an opportunity to extend his hold on power. Because you can be damn certain he will never again be so reckless as to give you a chance to finish him off. ..The other elephant in the room is leadership. Stephane Dion has bargained his way to the drive wheel of the new government. Good for him, but only if it suits the greater good. If Mr. Dion can make his case, then great. If he can’t, move to an alternative - and do it fast. Mr. Harper knows that his greatest advantage lies in Mr. Dion’s weakness. The coalition can’t let that impulse triumph. Don’t permit the defeat of Mr. Harper to depend upon Mr. Dion’s personal credibility - or that of any single individual, for that matter. There’s too much at stake.”

Scott Reid's "soul."

"When it comes to swear allegiance to the Queen, what will the Bloc do?"

Yell Sacre Bleu!

This should wait for the "reader tips" post, but I'll be asleep by then (damned work)

over 202,000 votes so far for an online petition (that appears to have all of the necessary fields to be considered a valid petition) saying that, as voters, we don't want the last election nullified.

Read, consider, sign if you agree (and have not signed already). And spread the word.

http://www.petitiononline.com/CANADIAN/petition.html

eh, QS, you laugh fonny. "You t'ink its izzy to spell in da Franch dialect?"

You can tell by the reaction from the media arm of the Lieberal party (CTV) just how much respect you seperatiste types are held in. As in, even the in-the-tank MSM hates your guts.

Go shrivel up somewhere cold,

Gord Tulk,

I think Kinsella is very disappointed with Iggy, hence the post you referenced.

I hate WK at times, because he's on the 'other' side and he's good at what he does. But he's a fighter, and you have to respect that.
Ditto for Chretien.

Iggy, on the other hand, is a turtle. The chips are down, and the guy has made like Houdini.

You can't put steel in someone's spine.

So WK's left to compliment a backbench Liberal MP who has a pair, when everyone else has handed them over to Layton and Dion.

Kinsella is a pro... so he's still refusing to allow posts on his site, making fun of his Iggy web banners on the side of his own page, where Iggy is described as "STRONG" and "UNITED". But it's obvious where his head is.

Yesterday, WK urged people to do the right thing, so that they might get a good night's sleep.

I don't think WK's sleeping too well these days... because he hasn't brought himself to tell the world what he thinks of Iggy and the rest of the Liberals are doing to Canada and his party.

While I'm glad the MP from Guelph has made the right choice, it's clear that he's only looking out for number one, because he's the same guy who was advocating for "uniting the left" during the by-election in Guelph!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWtmMNJfDVs

Cripes! This is the most attention Guelph's gotten since Gwen Jacobs strolled down Grodon Street.

Which my senior citizens were witness to. According to my Mum, she was strolling about like she was rather proud of herself. According to my Dad, Hummana Hummana, Hummana!!!

Cripes! This is the most attention Guelph's gotten since Gwen Jacobs strolled down Grodon Street.

Which my senior citizen parents were witness to. According to my Mum, she was strolling about like she was rather proud of herself. According to my Dad, Hummana Hummana, Hummana!!!

When WK is so conflicted about his party, the Liberals should know they have crossed the line.

Good for Warren Kinsella.

If there was ever a time for giving credit where credit is due, it's right now. He's on the right side on this one, and at a critical time.

We have a lifetime to excoriate him, later on, on other issues.

/:>*>

Here too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmddfJiQmmo

The MSM are now trying to silence Canadians. Don't call the Separatists, Separatists. That might upset the Separatists, who's constitution states their goal is to Separate Quebec from Canada. OH,OH we better start sending out the cheques to Quebecers or they might have a temper tantrum and hit us all with the false threat that they might Separate. Does anybody actually beleive that charade any more? Maybe if we spend 100s of billions of dollars forcing french on an English nation we might be able to convince them to stay. Yeah, go ahead and separate and see how long you're Tribalism lasts without the bank of Canada paying fot it.

Valeriote won by what? a 150 votes. There are about 30 to 40 LP MPs who are very, very scared that they will be unemployed before June. The abandonment starts tomorrow. Dion's performance (or lack of it) tonight may have just made the number grow to well over twenty.

If the GG is a stand in for the Queen of England then can we not petition the Queen to overstep her representative and deal with this insurrection on her own. The Bloc would be thrilled.

Kinsella, like his mentor, leads from the back of the column. Once the outcome is in the bag he moves right out in front. Opportunist and not much more.

How do you think Iggy feels about the endorsement? Well, let's see what Count Pavel Ignatiev would say about the Bolshevisks shall we?

From Wikipedia:

Ignatieff is the son of Canadian diplomat George Ignatieff (Russian: Георг Игнатьев) and Alison Grant, and the grandson of Count Pavel Ignatiev (Russian: Павел Игнатьев), Minister of Education to Tsar Nicholas II and one of the few Tsarist ministers to have escaped execution by the Bolsheviks. His Canadian antecedents include his maternal great grandfather, George Monro Grant, the 19th century principal of Queen's University. His mother's younger brother was the political philosopher George Grant (1918-1988), author of Lament for a Nation. His great-grandfather was Count Nikolay Pavlovich Ignatyev (Russian: Николай Игнатьев), the Russian Minister of the Interior under Tsar Alexander III. In his book called The Russian Album, Ignatieff explores the importance of memory and obligation to ancestry in the context of his own family's history. Ignatieff is fluent in both English and French, and has a basic knowledge of Russian, the native language of his father.

I've just had a hateful Radical Left commenter (Anonymous of course) criticize this posting: http://pelalusa.blogspot.com/2008/12/constitutional-legitimacy-vs-democratic.html

He said two telling things:

1. Because I'm an engineer and not a Law Professor, I have absolutely no right to an opinion about this matter. Can you say Liberal Elitist?

2. My strident belief that Democratic Legitimacy is as important, if not even more important, than Constitutional Legitimacy is completely invalid. Can you say Supporter of Totalitarian Regimes?

Where on earth were the Radical Left thugs in our country educated? Were they all kicked around in their childhood and are now seeking their revenge?

CTV's Rosemary Thompson ran an equally misleading piece tonight suggesting that Harper is threatening national unity by his attacks on the Bloc's decision to prop up the coalition government... again, like CBC, not mentioning that Duceppe himself has said many times that the Bloc doesn't run to prop up the federal gov't because he says it's antithetical to advancing sovereignty.

Also in her piece a Quebecer was interviewed and of Mr. Harper's actions said "it's prejudice". An analyst that followed added more blame to Harper. The entire theme was that Harper is threatening the stability of the country. The MSM is the one fanning the flames on this matter. They can easily diffuse it by playing back Duceppe's own words that the Bloc doesn't run to be in government. And they can also tell Quebecers to grow up, to stop accusing the RoC of being anti-French when we get upset that a separatist party will gain legislative power while a duly elected PM who ran in EVERY DAMN PART OF THIS COUNTRY is completely stripped of his!

That's GORDON Street. Right by where the Red Lobster used to be. That's where my senior citizen parents saw Gwen Jacobs have her big, old, floppy boobs flashing about. This was something like 14 years ago...so apparently there's no Youtube video kicking around.

"If the GG is a stand in for the Queen of England then can we not petition the Queen to overstep her representative and deal with this insurrection on her own."

Sure.

She won't do squat, but sure.

BTW, if you live in the west, or if you have various feeds from different time zones, be SURE -- please, even if you're otherwise disinclined -- to check out the first seven or eight minutes of tonight's National. It's the worst yet.

CBC, in a desperate hope to influence events, has gambled on an outcome. Whoops. If the subject of this thread is any indication of what's to come, they may well and truly -- finally -- pay for it.

Michael Ignatieff has a chance now to do the right thing and stop this coalition nonsense. More than that, he would probably save the country and his own party.

When WK is so conflicted about his party, the Liberals should know they have crossed the line.
Posted by: Ryan at December 3, 2008 11:17 PM

Meh. WK has been "conflicted" about his party since Martin took power and he was booted from the inner circle of the LPC elite. He's been in a perpetual political hissy fit since. I don't give him any credit for his stance on the current crisis, right as it may be, as I'm certain it's motivated only by his desire to re-enter the LPC inner circle and back into the machinery of political power.

jon - the crucial argument against the Bloc's role in being the Essential powerbroker in this coalition, is that it, as a political party, is electorally out of reach of over 80% of the Canadian population.

That in itself, is what makes it untenable. You are setting up a government, where all decisions must be vetted by a party whose members are unelectable by over 80% of the population affected by those decisions.

THAT'S the problem - not simply their agenda of separatism..which is, by the way, just a cover. Quebec has no intention of separating; the goodies from the Canadian taxpayer are indispensable to their way of life.

Absolutely right, Belisarius. If Ignatieff's primary concern pertains to ensuring that a portrait of Stephane Dion up on the wall in perpetuity -- can you say memento mori? -- he'll support the coalition. If he's concerned about his candidacy, and, more importantly, the long-term prospects of the Liberal party as federalists and centrists, he'll do something...dramatic. Say, tomorrow.

Quebec Separatist A.K.A. Quebecois Separatiste:

In English, "Ha Ha Ha" would be the correct spelling, not "ah ah ah."

"Ah ah ah" is what we say before we say "Choo."

I don't think you'll be ruling anyone any time soon.

Throughout this entire seditious mess it is amazing to watch the MSM's spin on making Harper's "Catastrophic bungling of any economic stimulus " (Oh, like he's single handily responsible FOR the global melt-down) and "nasty partisan politics and intransigence" THE reason why the Liberals felt compelled to "save us."

On the other hand why the hell don't the Conservatives point out that Harper has TWO degrees in ECONOMICS and just might have a slightly better grasp of the situation than a sociology professor, a communist wanna-be and a separatist? We do NOT need typical knee jerk reaction SPENDING which is the hallmark of the incompetent.

Finally I'd like to point out that SEDITION needn't be an armed insurrection. It is described as ""the stirring up of discontent, resistance, or rebellion against the legitimate government in power."" Les Twois Stoogies should feel lucky to be in Canada ... most other places in the world they'd be shot and their wives and children sold into slavery!!

The Communists' support for the coalition is going to badly damage the Conservatives' support outside the GTA. Mark my word.

CBC really shaped their news broadcast on The National tonight against Harper. On the other hand, they covered the "Separatist Coalition" issue so much, that maybe it will sink in with Canadians that the Quebec Block really is a separatist party. One Quebecer interviewed said Harper is trying to "scare" Canadians about the Block. Maybe Quebecers don't realize that many in the rest of Canada have always been scared of the Block...or, at the very least, resentful of their regional self-interest.

Hey Kate:

Careful with the Cossack thing.

My ancestors on my father's side are Cossacks and they protected the Czar from the Commies.

Made it kinda inconvenient to live in the country after a while.

"Made it kinda inconvenient to live in the country after a while."

Fond of understatements huh?

Dear lord, don't let Layton near that Commie Press release, he might get more ideas.

"Where on earth were the Radical Left thugs in our country educated? Were they all kicked around in their childhood and are now seeking their revenge?"

Robert, some people just never grow up and have an in-built inability to admit they were wrong. It's a character flaw that inhibits one's ability to develop and learn as an individual.

Needless to say, there are those who wish to encourage this extended childhood for their own questionable purposes.

Most of us here already know this, I suspect you do too.

I lived in Alberta during trudeaus nep. I lived in Alberta and Sask. during the decade of darkness under cretin and martin. Now these same elitists assholes want to reverse the Western votes and say sorry Westerners, your votes don't count.

If this coalition goes ahead, I can't for the life of me think of a better reason to go to war against them. There comes a time when a person must stand for something he or she believes in. I believe in God and standing up against evil.

I have been doing alot of thinking these past few days. Either we stand up now against this tyranny or we just quietly march off to the gulags. I don't feel like marching myself. If they want a war, and it appears they do, then war it is.

Do you think it will ever improve for Westerners? The east will always come out on top. Our votes are useless. This country has been stacked against the West since Confederation.

Just watching all the attacks by the left and the press against Harper and in fact all Westerners, makes me realize these people really do not like us and will never let us have a true voice in this country.

If this comes to pass, this unholy trinity of lunatics, I will spend however long I have left fighting against them any way I have to. I will fight for an independant Western Republic.

The Liberals and NDP are not a coalition. They do not have nearly enough seats.

It doesn't matter that the Bloc will support them, as long as they have veto rights (aka blackmail).

The Bloc must be part of the coalition, otherwise there isn't one.

Kinsella is just showing his survival instincts, not any sense of morality. He doesn't like the idea of being a member of a rump party. It'll hurt book sales.

These MP's are the "feelers" from the Iggy campaign. If they get some kind of positive response then Iggy will cut a deal with the PM and take his MP's with him.

Here is a thought....a business is so drowned in debt you you are left with the question, should I buy it and keep my obligations or should I just build a new one. Often it is cheaper to build a new one, new culture, no past debts....Expect to see the "I" party, as int eh Independent Liberal Party or Independent Party start up.

Fresh, looks like the old Liberal party but with no legacy.

Medium term serious threat to Harper, but gets him through today, and is likely a party he can deal with.

And Bob and Iggy get to be leaders.

Change of topic.....part of the reason this colaition thing ticks me off is the Liberals and Layton have given us Sovereignty Association. They didnt intend to, they didnt realize it, but you have a Quebec nationalist party as a serious partner, all major decisions need to be checked with them and they will extract a price.

If this was about an ideological coalition only, ie the death of sovereignty, then I wouldnt be as concerned, the Cons will pick up a few more seats since Quebec has a conservative ideological part to it. This isnt about that, thats the patina, but for the Bloc tis is S-A and layton and Dion/Rae are too dense to see it.

You knew it had to happen. This is why Stephen Harper should simply let the opposition parties continue heading towards the cliff; there should be no prorogation. Either the federalists on the opposition benches will stand up and be counted, or they will not. My feeling is, they will. What they are probably really hoping for though, is that they won't have too.

Kevin @9:27 am. Agree.

Where is the constitutional support for a side-deal that? GG has to ignore that, it has no constitutional basis.

If Dion asserts he has the confidence of the House, he should be made to prove it.

This gives the true Federalists in the LPC the opportunity to show Canadians where they stand.

A failure to support the unity of Canada, overtly, by voting non-confidence in a coalition that exists only at the whim of a party dedicated to the destruction of the federation, would being the anglo version of the Clarity Act.

If the LPC is tuned in to the grassroots in any meaningful way, they ought to be realizing, as the gentleman from Guelph did, that they are vaporizing their support in Ontario.

Failure to stand up right now and support the federation will relegate the LPC to a regional party only - Quebec, where the best they can hope for is to duke it out with the BQ henceforth.

The media is trying to spin Quebec Separation is something other than Quebec Separation. They might as well be trying to tell us the sky is orange. Canadians are not buying that load of fertilizer either.

Perhaps PMSH should let the confidence vote proceed, and we should just let the LPC impale itself on the great big Green Mistake it tried to foist off on us.

They should not forget that the Green Mistake is all over Youtube now, reminding Canadians of the bald lie that he would not entertain a coalition with the NDP.

Roll the dice Dion. Long term, I think the outcome is good for the country. Either your own "cleaners" take care of you, or your far-left masters will march the LPC off to the far-left wilderness for a long, long time. Either way, the LPC is finito unless it demonstrates to Canadians that they are willing to pay more than lip service to Canadian unity.

Scratch that... apparently he's contacted the paper and claims that his comments have been miscronstrude... still developing... http://guelphmercury.blogs.com/guelphvotes/2008/12/shortterm-maverick.html

Guess the almighty "PARTY" has go to him already

Luke: Dear lord, don't let Layton near that Commie Press release, he might get more ideas.

Hmmm. Confused now. Could you please point out to me where that release differs from the actual NDP platform.

Oh man, am I loving this!
Thanx Kate.

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