Good advise, Kate!

Whups! Make that read "advice".

"Premier Wall, you need to be calling an emergency meeting of your cabinet to draft whatever legislation it takes to protect our resource industry from these crackpots - now."

Probably a good plan.

No, wait! He should secede. That'll work.

/sarc

Harper needs to immediately fill all outstanding Senate vacancies. Just in case the s*** hits the fan.

Fill the vacancies and then let the Liberals self destruct! I predict that if this coalition gets off the ground it will crash within a year.

Mike Duffy has just reported that Elizabeth May has said:
Please Mr Harper Don't Put Tanks On The Hill to Prevent Coalition MP's.

God Help Us

I suspect the Coalition will tear itself apart within months. Harper would likely be damaged goods under such a scenario. Who replaces him? Prentice, MacKay (too bad Belinda is no longer in Parliament), Clement, Moore? Too bad Montie Solberg is no longer in Parliament. I miss that guy. I suspect Cannon and Charest would not have a chance seeing they are from Quebec and provincial Liberals.

For God's sake, lets hope Harper can survive this though. He is the best leader in the G8.

Ryan:

How is Harper damaged goods?

Up to 82% of Canadians, in the four polls that I saw, agree that political parties should not be funded by the treasury.

They're betraying the trust with the Canadian voter for $1.95.

At least Judas had the decency to hold out for 30 pieces of silver.

Duffy is also reporting the Ignatieff Camp is showing signs that this is turning Insane & that Bob Rae is another one to Blame for this Mess of a Coalition with NDP/Bloc & Now the Greens.
Update Are Unelected Greens to get seat at the Cabinet.
This is not sitting well with Mr Ignatieff
Ignatieff if you were ever to Show some balls & show that you Do Love Canada
Walk! Walk Now! Across the Floor Help Save Canada before it is too late.

Funny, CBC still hasn't mentioned anything about the 6 seats for the Bloc. Duffy interveiwed Cannon in the corridors of Parliament Hill. No CBC reporters there? I guess they're still trying to digest it... rather, needing time to put a positive spin on it.

"Mike Duffy has just reported that Elizabeth May has said: Please Mr Harper Don't Put Tanks On The Hill to Prevent Coalition MP's."

God help us indeed!

Why? Elizabeth May, that dolt?!

No. SDA commenters. I'll use "Ryan" as a particular example for shaming purposes:

"Where do you get any suggestion the Canadian forces will remain loyal† to this coup? Don't they have an obligation to protect the constitution and rights of citizens?

"If the Forces are loyal to their oaths, they would march on Ottawa once the coup occurs and restore the democratically elected government or force the GG to call an election."

This sentiment — or more commonly, Western separation — appears to be a common one on this blog.

Fortunately these people — many of your readers as it turns out — are radical nutbars and they don't represent the mainstream of the Conservative Party of Canada.

But with these comments sprouting up over the internet, perhaps we should cut Elizabeth May (spit) some slack for her paranoia.
 
 

†Indeed. Where would I get such a crazy suggestion?

Christoph asks "Indeed. Where would I get such a crazy suggestion?" Most likely from Hugo Chavez.

Incredible -- the Bloc to get SIX Senate seats?!?

It's getting more terrifying by the day.

"We're supporting this not to gain influence," she [May] said at a press conference in Ottawa.

Who is this "we" of which she speaks? She's the one who stands to gain influence, not the Greens, she's the one who'll get her snout in the trough, not the Greens.

She's just another parasite.

Premier Wall, you need to be calling an emergency meeting of your cabinet to draft whatever legislation it takes to protect our resource industry from these crackpots - now.

Perhaps he could follow Reagan's lead.

"My fellow Saskatchewaners, I am pleased to announce that we have just passed legislation that outlaws Ottawa for ever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

Christoph - no one commenting on this site is an elected MP or the leader of a political party. They are ordinary citizens, entitled to their views, like them or not. But no one has to answer for them, because they represent only themselves.

This is not the case with Elizabeth May. The woman is an unelected idiot who has been granted unearned credibility by leftist sympathizers in the media - and no one else. Their party has been thoroughly rejected by Canadian voters.

Harper needs to fill those senate seats ASAP.

Did they say Green would get cabinet? I thought that was just a senate seat.

Ethics of Leadership Candidates eligibility for the New Cabinet‏

When Ralph Klein announced his stepping down as Premier/party leader he indicated that any MLA that held any position must resign their Cabinet position if they wished to campaign for the leadership of the party thus Premier.

If the Liberals are so ethical, does that mean Ignatieff, Rae, and LeBlanc are disqualified from the cabinet of the new alliance?

Gerry from Toronto

Until Canada, and especially the west calls Quebec's bluff, Quebec will continue to run this country at the expense of all others.

Does anyone suspect that there is a drug problem in this coalition and maybe they should all immediately go to rehab?

Until Canada, and especially the west calls Quebec's bluff, Quebec will continue to run this country at the expense of all others.

At the very least, the four western premiers should call a high level meeting for this week to discuss their terms for secession or staying in Canada.

"Christoph - no one commenting on this site is an elected MP or the leader of a political party. They are ordinary citizens, entitled to their views, like them or not.

Kate, you're right.

That's the point exactly -- that elected MPs or leaders of political parties should behave responsibly.

Elizabeth May should be excoriated, as you have done, and the Bloc Quebecois should be marginalized and considered "odious" as pretty much every mainstream Conservative in and out of office has done...

... but where I get angry is these fringe morons undermining both of those cases by talking about the Canadian Forces marching on Ottawa and "forcing" the Governor General to act, or separatism, which would probably, in the end, fail... and if it was a serious movement, get people killed.

Most separatist movements do. If it had a hope of succeeding, I might possibly give it serious thought, but you'd just have a Western Canada totally capable of electing socialist governments at will.

We'd be smaller, weaker, more easy to pick off or fracture further, and in the mean time such talk only hurts the Conservative cause while there's serious work underfoot.

This talk undermines conservative arguments against May's stupidity and the Bloc's treacherous ways.

But the biggest thing I don't like about it is it's ignorant. One would have to know almost nothing about the Canadian Forces as it is as opposed to how it exists in Ryan's fevered imagination to believe it's going to March against Canada's Prime Minister, if the Prime Minister came about legally.

For what it's worth, I'm sure many CF members who voted Conservative are seething right now, but their officers aren't going to lead them to Parliament Hill to overthrow any constitutional government.

"Don’t delay. Send this link (http://www.canadians4democracy.ca) to everyone you know and sign and send this petition."

"Canadians For Democracy

Jack Layton and the NDP say their attempt to overthrow the democratically elected Government of Canada is all about the Fiscal Update. But it's not. Jack Layton said so himself.

"BQ stability issues, worry about BQ potentially being off-side, we're taking that very much into account. We have numerous strategies designed to deal with it, I actually believe they're the least of our problems, but in case I'm wrong, let's just say we have strategies, this whole thing would not have happened if the moves hadn't have been made with the Bloc to lock them in early, because you couldn't put three people together in one, in three hours. The first part was done a long time ago, I won't go into details..." – Jack Layton

Jack Layton and the NDP are trying to overthrow the Government as part of a secret and longstanding deal hatched with the separatist Bloc. That's right. The same separatist party whose stated goal is to destroy our great country.

So what does this all mean?" (More)
...-

(H/T)http://jacksnewswatch.com/2008/12/02/sandy-conservatives-sign-send-this-petition/

Albertans are encouraged to give their leaders an earful through this page:

http://alberta.ca/home/contact.cfm

Actually there is precedent to make Lizzie a senator. Caligula actually did so when he made his favourite horse, Incitatus, a senator. Of course, Caligula also married his sister.

I hear it was a toss up between Dion naming May as a senator or his dog Kyoto. It appears that Dion has lost what little brains he may have ever had. The man is insane.

I wonder what Newman's take on the reported Bloc appointments. Newman in his usual comabtive mode with CPC reps on his panel will probably say... "Well, you know, the PM does have the right to appoint senators, does he not? What's wrong with that?!" Of course, blustering and being disruptive, talking over the conservative guest while he/she is giving their response, then quickly going to the Liberal/NDP guests for comment and sitting back in abject silence as they go off topic and choose instead to trash PMSH.

Newman will be on in a few minutes... I suspect he won't mention the reported Bloc appointments. Again, he needs time to put a proper spin on it.

Christoph, please come clean with us and your agenda. Are you a troll on here to fight with everyone or are you actually interested in having intelligent conversations?

Flash...Spin is now the swirl, as in around the drain. Straight up and spinless. Let the left kill itself with spin because most just do not listen and thinking people see right through it. We want the thinkers, they can keep the fish.

Remember those ads about Canadian Forces in the street with guns under Harper's leadership?

The ones we laughed at when we weren't outraged by? And I was outraged. I took action in a serious way for weeks of sustained effort.

They were ludicrous... but people like Ryan would give them credence, and give support to Paul Martins' Liberals despicable attack. But Ryan is too dense to realize that's what he just did.

"Christoph, please come clean with us and your agenda."

Defeating separatists. Advancing conservative causes. Loving Canada.

Great poll question at Bourque

' Should all Tory MPs resign in protest over coalition gvt ? '

I voted yes.

Great idea ! - do you think the occupation gov't would ram their bills through if the Tories didn't show up ?

Newman has been angling for a senate appointment along with Peter mansbridge. They will go for this big time don't you think?

Ezra Levant has an interesting take on the developing news.

Apparently one of Gilles Duceppe's immediate demands is a $1 Billion transfer of cash to Quebec.

BUT remember, say the Liberal-NDP pundits, we can't have an election because that would cost us $0.3 Billion.

CANADIANS DESERVE AND DEMAND A NEW ELECTION!!!

Whomever recommended watching the Elly May clip on CTV - I will never forgive you!!!!!!!!!!!!

So instead of going to the voters for a mandate, the coalition chooses to buy support with taxpayers money and patronage- a billion more for Quebec, special powers and veto for Quebec, cabinet seats, senate seats....and that is just what we know about.

Disgusting.

Soldiers.

With guns.

In our cities.

In Canada.

Elizabeth May is not making this up.

She's not allowed to make things up*.

* - except for anthropogenic global warming, what passes for her economic theory, the idea that the Green Party currently exists to do anything other than stroke her ego, the idea that she deserves to participate in the leaders' debate despite having elected as many MPs as I have...

BREAKING

The knives of the faux-cons are coming out within the Conservatives? Does 'Pinky Prentice' have the right aspirations to wait out this coalition and move to the top?

Politics - and not governance - has been within all parties since the dawn of party politics. Et tu, Brutus?

"On Monday, as he entered the House of Commons, Conservative MPs - with two notable exceptions - gave Harper a standing ovation. Those two exceptions were Environment Minister Jim Prentice and Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, two men who could challenge for the party leadership should it come to that."

Fill the damn senate seats NOW!

Do the same to any unfilled judicual, parole board, and any other spot that the treasonous trio could get their grubby socialist hands on.

Bloc in the Senate? You have to be kidding.

I'm still hoping Iggy pulls the plug on this shytestorm in a socialist teapot. For the good of the Liberal Party, he needs to.

Bet those yogic flyer guys are kicking themselves. If they'd only hung around a few more years that've gotten into the senate and cabinet, seeing as every other whack job is.

If the coalition secceds, the Tories should quit.
At least, this protest would remove the ability of the Bloc to influence the coaliton while the rest of us clamour for an election.

Any hope in Hell Danny Millions can be called upon to reverse the error of his ways with a new ABC slogan - Anybody But the Coalition?

I think Elizabeth May would make a great MP or Senator.

She's look great in those tight pant suits. The nut from Connecticut who got rejected in the US and came to Canada - now in Parliament.

That's just the best.

Here's an idea: Why not a REFERENDUM?

If PMSH is successful in proroguing Parliament and the house does not resume until the end of January, is that sufficient enough time (7 weeks)to put together a referendum question to Canadians, just like with the Charlottetown accord?

The question would be quite simple...

Do you support the duly elected government of Canada?

Or

Do you support a Liberal-NDP-Bloc coaltion to run the country?

How could this cabal be opposed to that idea? How would they explain to Canadians that giving us a say is a bad idea?

Is it possible that the gov't can do this?

Danny Williams. HMMMMM. That poses the question doesn't it. Was he in on this from the beginning - launch an anti Harper campaign in return for a whole whack of more money and Accdords and you name it from the menage a trois?

Then a senate seat?

What was the payoff to Danny Williams. His campaign was faux rage and a great big over the top act, don't you think he expected a payoff just like everybody else is getting with YOUR money and YOUR country and YOUR government?.

Up there with "Lay back and think of England?"

Ha, ha, I wrote Campbell, Stelmach, and Wall the other day, asking them to hold a press conference to denounce Le Cabal. Good to find out he was listening! :-) Now that's direct democracy!!

More here

Elizabeth "Tanks On Parliament Hill" May As Environment Minister?

Well May herself IS a tank...and she's also a walking environmental disaster (sort of along the lines of a train wreck), so...qualifications on both counts?

Elizabeth "Tanks On Parliament Hill" May As Environment Minister?

Well May herself IS a tank...and she's also a walking environmental disaster (sort of along the lines of a train wreck), so...qualifications on both counts?

STILL WONDERING

http://poll.pollcode.com/h1p

I'm glad Campbell made a good statement. He's a smart man, mostly.

Elizabeth May will be the only "tank" on the hill.

As I sat back and watched this nightmare unfolding, I thought to myself that the only thing missing from the picture was Elizabeth May. Now, apparently, that incredible scenario is a possibility. This is too surreal. Someone wake me up ... quickly.

On a more positive note .... does anyone think that there are any Liberal MPs with enough common sense and principles to come to their senses at the last minute and end the madness? We know that these qualities are completely lacking in the camps of Layton and Duceppe.

For your edification....Ujjal Dosanjh on election evening:

(BTW, he only won over the Conservative by 20 votes!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1lZB5g7kME

I urge everyone to donate to the Conservative party now. The despicable MSM in this country is doing their best to bring Harper down with this moronic approach that Steven brought this on himself..who suggested that headline, the incoherant poodle or Lenins stupid pissboy nephew Jack. I am donating now and would like to see how much the Conservatives bring in in the next few weeks. I want my children to grow up in a stable country, not this band of lunatics in the public treasury!

I suggest we try to find a dozen or so Liberal MPs who would like to continue their political careers and work on persuading them to cross the floor, for the sake of the country.

This is not business as usual. The people that make this country go (rather than the parasites) are furious, absolutely furious.

This fiasco finishes the LPC.

Why is it that Harper is a failure for not getting a majority in two tries by May and the Greens are a success for not getting ANYONE elected and never getting over 10% of the vote?

CTV POLL Update
Who would you prefer to govern the Country?
conservatives
14571 69%

the ndp-liberal coalition
6428 31%
3:02

This is the first time this has dropped since the poll started early this morning

Coalitions are a fact of life in democracies, get over yourselves. If Canadians wanted to give Harper a majority mandate then they would have given him one.

Heh. I sent an e-mail to the Queen of England (no, not Elton John), as follows:

"Your Majesty, as you are undoubtedly aware, the Governor General of Canada may soon be faced with a monumental decision that is of pre-eminent importance with respect to the governance of Canada. The Governor General may be asked to decide if a coalition of opposition parties, relying on support from a Quebec separatist party, will be permitted to usurp control of the government from the duly-elected Conservative Party of Canada.

Due to the pre-eminence of this decision and the potential for the Governor General's personal viewpoints to affect her decision, it would seem to be appropriate that you provide thoughtful guidance to the Governor General, on the basis that she is Your Majesty's representative.

Thank you for your consideration of this matter."

What the heck...worth a shot...but I'm sure that PMSH has already done this.

OK guys it's time for a tax revolt. We will have our own Boston Tea Party.

I've already started. My freezer is full and my stock cupboard is full. If this coalition sees the lite of day, I will buy only staples. My clothes closet is full and since I will not be dining out I have no need for new ones. I will have private dinner parties and entertain in my home like the good old days.

We have a small business and I do not send my taxes quarterly but at year end. Maybe I will - Maybe I wont. This will depend on if the triad is in government. If they jail granny then so be it. This will save me money in the long run.

I will be closing my stock portfolios - if I lose money I will make it up with all the above savings.

I will pull my money out of the TD Bank and put it in a credit union leaving enough in my safe to go on an extended vacation.

Have I forgotten anything that I can do to make this economy sink if this treasoness trio get the government. If I have please post what else I might do to bring this economy down.

Ducceppe just now... paraphrasing: "Our deal is good for Quebec, good for sovereignty."

Dion and Layton, should they speck to reporters, need to explain what part of their deal with the Bloc is good for sovereignty.

Christoph

Western separation is the only true BIPARTISAN issue there is. Western Canadians will ALL BENIFIT by excising the cancer that is central Canada. That is the plan, left, right and center coming together to fight a common foe. Remember, with friends like Ontario and Quebec, who needs enemies?

Soon it will be up to central Canadians to answer the question "Why shouldn't western Canada separate?" because I can assure you that no body is going to make that argument out west.

See for yourself:

http://poll.pollcode.com/h1p

"does anyone think that there are any Liberal MPs with enough common sense and principles "

No. They are Liberals. Ergo, they have no principles save one: POWER.

shaken i have tried to email ignatieff figuring he is the only one that is against this socialist coalistion, My emails will not go threw, Duffy was elating to this earlier (Vid on ctv.ca) their are rumblings the Ignatieff camp are starting to feel betrayed by Guess Who None other then the Closet Socialist Bob Rae.

"Western separation is the only true BIPARTISAN issue there is. Western Canadians will ALL BENIFIT by excising the cancer that is central Canada. That is the plan, left, right and center coming together to fight a common foe. Remember, with friends like Ontario and Quebec, who needs enemies?"

Answer this: When has an explicitly Western separatist candidate in any riding received > 1% of the popular vote?

See for yourself:

http://poll.pollcode.com/h1p

You're joking, man. An online poll? Linked by SDA?

A reporter just asked Dion to explain Duceppe's comments that his deal with Layton and Dion is good for sovereignty... he became flustered and couldn't answer, then he said it's good for national unity. CBC then quickly cut away from live coverage.

Jose:

And if Canadians Wanted Dion or Layton Or Liz May to be Prime Misnister they would have Elected their Respective Parties in the last Election,
However they did Not
Get Over It YourSelf!

btw: duceppe dont enter into the equation as they are for one thing Only & could never be elected Govt

Jose:

And if Canadians Wanted Dion or Layton Or Liz May to be Prime Minister they would have Elected their Respective Parties in the last Election,
However they did Not
Get Over It YourSelf!

btw: duceppe dont enter into the equation as they are for one thing Only & could never be elected Govt

"I've already started. My freezer is full and my stock cupboard is full. If this coalition sees the lite of day, I will buy only staples. My clothes closet is full and since I will not be dining out I have no need for new ones. I will have private dinner parties and entertain in my home like the good old days."

A tiny radical selection of right-wingers cutting their income and investments, getting penalized for tax evasion (every government takes that seriously, including Conservative ones), and wearing dumpy clothes. That will show them.

May to the Senate isn't a surprise. She likely has a "contract" signed by the obvious person that should he become prime minister after the last election she would be Senatized for "services rendered".

The comments prior to mine illustrate that the grounds for this coalition are nothing but quicksand. The grumbling has started and the monster is only two days old.

I read a decent article by a former advisor to the GG who stated that it is unlikely that the GG could grant her sanction to an idea that seems destined to collapse in such short order.

"Remember, with friends like Ontario and Quebec, who needs enemies?"

You mean the Ontario that voted Conservative this time around?

Christoph - stuff it. Go back to your playground.

I am dead serious, I don't joke about something that will effect my children and grandchildrens life. You youngster, haven't lived long enough to understand what is important. You are part of the MEMEME crowd.

Jose: **Coalitions are a fact of life in democracies, get over yourselves. If Canadians wanted to give Harper a majority mandate then they would have given him one.**

Minority governments are a fact of life in the Canadian democracy. If the big-four (Lib, Bloc, NDP and Green), with their rather diverse platforms, pull this one off, there is probably no further use in the GG allowing any government to be formed by any party in a minority position.

"Stand back, think of Canada !"

Exactly, you God-damn separatists.

dolly:

Ontario voted in 51 Conservative members out of 100 seats.

Toronto, on the other hand ...

"I am dead serious, I don't joke about something that will effect my children and grandchildrens life."

I know you're serious. You're just a radical nutbar who's going to teach your children to evade taxes, and probably also to pay the penalties for same.

Am I accusing you of being an immoral person -- a person advocating crime -- and a bad parent? Yes.

Liberals have reached the breaking point with this government of Harpers. He has denied them the keys to the treasury for far to long for a liberal, there is nothing to steal where they are, just look at their donations, none, not even themselves donate to this corrupt band of liars. In their little swindling minds this is business as usual, and we can all thank the mini bastard Danny Williams for a large part of this mess, as most of his Newfies are here in Alberta working and sending money home like so many other expats, he continues to dump on success.

What would be interesting is for the western conservative MPs to resign and then run under a western separatist banner. Apparently it is the best way to extort money, senate seats and special powers from the ROC. You do not even have to do fund raising, just sit back and collect public financing.

If Canada has 10 provinces & 3 territorys and in all of them I can vote for cons,libs,dippers & various fringe partys.Yet if I want to vote bloc it exists only in the province of Quebec.Therefore if the majority of Canadians cannot accept or reject the bloc at the ballot box,how can it be constitutionaly legal for the lib / dipper coalition to form an alliance with the bloc /and give them the balance of power over all Canadians.This is a coup and the vast majority of Canadians have just seen their votes and their country hi-jacked.

I am from Ontario -- for more generations than there has been a Canada. And I must tell you westerners -- Albertans especially -- something. We despise you. Not all of us, but enough of us that that is a fair conclusion to draw. Would anyone ever have countenanced this against a central based party? Or used the kind of rhetoric the liberals have against the west in recent years?

No, learn your lesson. Ontario despises you, sad to say.

This is becoming More & More Obvious that this was a Pack that was made long before an election call, We all know about the lib/grn but the way Jack likes motel rooms & the way they Ganged up on National TV (debates)

I think Canadians are going to be more Outraged then ever

I am from Ontario,for more generations than there has been a Canada AND Ken B is talking out his ASS.

"...how can it be constitutionaly legal for the lib / dipper coalition to form an alliance with the bloc /and give them the balance of power over all Canadians.."

It sucks, but it is constitutional. Everyone with any sense acknowledges that, including the CPC.

I don't support it. I believe it should be opposed by any and all legal means. I believe the Governor-General should (but probably won't) shoot it down, unless Harper prorogues Parliament first and the coaltion collapses by January 27th.

Failing that, we should hang this over the Liberals' and NDP's head like an albatross -- which will be more difficult thanks to some of your own secession nonsense (I'm not saying you, greyburr; your comment, at least on its face, implies that you aren't a separatist.)

But you're not understanding something, doesn't make your wishes true!

People who say it's "unconstitutional", prey explain how? In your explanation, try to cite -- you know -- "the Canadian Constitution".

Thanks.

New poll on burque. You know what to do.

Let's recap the latest:

* Cabal to appoint six separatists plus failed Greens leader May to the Senate.

* $1B cash payment to be delivered to Quebec.

This must be some kind of bad dream. I wonder if the rumors about Iggy getting cold feet are true? He may looking at taking over a party that doesn't electorally exist by the spring.

"New poll on burque [sic]. You know what to do."

Because salting polls on Bourque is so important.

Christoph - aside from recent reactionaries, passers by, and the odd curious type, western separatism is an appealing and pragmatic path to get out of this statist gulag known as Canada.

Whether unequal representation amongst regions (Quebec), uneven political influence across regions (Ontario), or simply taxation without representation - federations such as Canada are inevitably doomed.

The landmass is extant, the cultures not shared, and political leadership plays one against the other for personal gain. The inevitability of breakdown is shown throughout history - and the recent consolidation of the USSR is a clean example of the lust and drive of national 'leaders'. The desire to have, possess, and peddle influence is boundless in these types, whether Putin, Layton, or Mulroney.

The delusion within our particular statist gulag is that westerners will have some form of input into the leadership of the country. Whether population, economics, or intellectual leadership drive a legitimate claim to such - is the issue. Central Canadia - by virtue and influence of existing power - will not let that happen.

There are the reactionaries and emotional ones in here who will like the idea of separatism on the face, but whose commitment is low. And recent actions will fuel them.

But for the persistent and steady 18% in Alberta who see it as a viable option, the only question to be had is: 'how long until it happens?'

Dismissing such sentiment reveals your own bias more than actually criticizing - or making a rational argument against separation.

Which I notice, you certainly have avoided. Res ipsa loquitor.

Facebook link, in case it hasn't been posted here.

Canadians Against a Liberal/NDP Coalition Gov't -

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=51442165364

Why is there no discussion of the fact that the deal with the devil's is specifically only good for 6 months? With the Liberal Party constitutionally into a leadership convention, the deal is only good until the new leader is picked, then it needs to be re-written.

I am at best a only-as-a-last-resort separatist but this coalition action will inflame westerners. There is no denying that. The pattern of the Liberals makes it clear that they have no intention of ever giving the west their voice in this country. We are here solely to provide for Quebec in the style they have become accustomed to. The question then becomes - Is there now more benefits to leaving than staying? Are the pros for separation greater than the cons?

"The delusion within our particular statist gulag is that westerners will have some form of input into the leadership of the country. Whether population, economics, or intellectual leadership drive a legitimate claim to such - is the issue. Central Canadia - by virtue and influence of existing power - will not let that happen."

We do have "some form of input". The person we wanted to be Prime Minister, a Westerner, was, for years. He still is. He may be in a month or he may not.

I don't know how to break it to you, but we don't have the majority of Canada's population. As a rule, Ohio has more to say about the Americans' Presidency than Montana and California more about the Congress's makeup than Maine.

Funny that.

Conservative support was quite widely spread across the country this last election, and that is a great leap forward. If this dog of a Liberal-NDP-Bloc deal goes down, it might even increase.

Yes, there are problems with Canada: the Senate and size of ridings in particular (where PEI gets by far the best deal).

Larger population centres always have more "say", even in the provinces. That's a physical reality. Breaking up our country won't change it, it will just shift it.

Christoph,
No,I do not support separation for Quebec or any other province.Point taken ,time to read the constitution.But if it is legal and one regional party can control Canada then the constitution should be revisited.

Anyone know where Ignatief and Rae are today.

Not in question period. Didn't ask any questions, and pretty sure they were not even there.
Also, not present in media scrums post-questioin period.

Yesterday, they were standing up so nicely beside their leader. What are they up to?

"Dismissing such sentiment reveals your own bias more than actually criticizing - or making a rational argument against separation.

Which I notice, you certainly have avoided."

I haven't avoided it. I made such arguments on a previous thread, focussing primarily on peace and security, where I was ad hominem attacked.

The attacks were -- literally 180 degrees wrong -- but I don't feel like addressing those. They aren't relevant.

I can make arguments for and against separation. The problem you face is this: A majority of Westerners don't want to separate.

Even if the West separates you people would still hate the government.

I will say as well Christoph - you are pretty funny.

But whether you are getting the last word in or 'winning' an argument on the internet - wait, what do they say about that again?

"No,I do not support separation for Quebec or any other province.Point taken ,time to read the constitution.But if it is legal and one regional party can control Canada then the constitution should be revisited."

Amen, brother.

Should be. But it requires the constitution to do it, so there's the rub!

Dont feed the Troll's

They are making the rounds in record Numbers
Yah iam talking about you KenB

"Even if the West separates you people would still hate the government."

Mike's probably a Liberal or Dipper or some other class of moron, but he has a point.

What's more, we would hate it for much the same reasons.

Layton sees Obama the socialist getting into power in the United States based on lies, deceptions, and omissions, and he figures he should be able to so himself. He probably figures the twit, Dion, will fail as leader, and his narcissistic self will assume the role of Prime Minister of Canada before too long - his ultimate goal.

Canadians certainly didn't vote in a coalition of socialists, wannabes, and Canada-haters, so what makes those members of Parliament think Canadians have lost confidence in the Government when Canadians overwhelmingly voted in the Conserative Party and not them?

Consumer strike, right now.

Suspend all purchases of non-essential goods and services. This will minimize GST revenues flowing to this Frankenstein being bolted together in Ottawa.

My wallet is closed until we have an election.

The GG has to reject this document to form a coalition. It cannot concevably work on behalf of Canadains' interests since one of the parties did not run nationally and whose stated intention is seperation. To allow the Bloc to be part of this coaltion and having the balance of power is like a legislature in one province passing bills that take affect in another. While the 3 main federal parties do not have representation in all parts of Canada, they did field a slate of Candidates from each party, giving Canadains that choice on the ballot. The Bloc were not on any ballots in any part of Canada outside Quebec therefore they have no authority - moral or otherwise - to be given this type of power on behalf of the rest of us.

Lizzie May completes the three stooges.

She plays the role of (S)hemp.

I already hear from friends in Ontario that Albertans and Harper are to blame really, for wanting a triple E senate (as if that was the issue). We hear more of the "tanks" and "soldiers in the streets" issue. No I stand by my remark: a LOT of Onations despise the west. And if it were just taken for granted that we are better and more sophisticated this putsch would have no support.

"My wallet is closed until we have an election."

I'm not sure that's terribly effective, but if it was organized and ably lead into a public protest it could help a lot, especially if it got publicity and popular sympathy.

At least you're not advocating tax evasion, i.e., crime.

"The GG has to reject this document to form a coalition."

That would be nice.

"To allow the Bloc to be part of this coaltion and having the balance of power is like a legislature in one province passing bills that take affect in another."

But optimistic.

"My wallet is closed until we have an election."

I'm not sure that's terribly effective, but if it was organized and ably lead into a public protest it could help a lot, especially if it got publicity and popular sympathy.

At least you're not advocating tax evasion, i.e., crime.

"The GG has to reject this document to form a coalition."

That would be nice.

"To allow the Bloc to be part of this coaltion and having the balance of power is like a legislature in one province passing bills that take affect in another."

But optimistic.

The whole of this coalition is not so much to get rid of the Conservative government as it is to get rid of Harper.

Scott Reid gave away the game when he mentioned that the objective is to kill Harper. Notice that he didn't say kill the Conservative Party, or even kill this particular government.

The whole coalition idea, as I mentioned before, is built on quicksand. I doubt that many Liberals truly buy into the idea. But it does have a purpose: to try to drive a wedge between Harper and his caucus, and hopefully humiliate him into resigning. Then he can be replaced with a more pliable leader like Peter McKay.

The role of the MSM in all of this cannot be underestimated either. Their rabid partisanship is almost overt at this point. They hate Harper too and want him gone because he mostly ignores them. He does little to brush their egos and they resent it bitterly.

"I am from Ontario -- for more generations than there has been a Canada. And I must tell you westerners -- Albertans especially -- something. We despise you." by Ken B.

This is true - an Ontarian actually speaking the truth....Good Lord mark the calendar.

When my son was attending University in Ontario, a lone Albertan boy who stood up when all those from Alberta were asked to do so, as each province was asked, and he was mercilessly booed. We had just moved to Alberta, so my son stood up for our previous residence, but he was totally amazed at the hatred expressed for Albertans.

It is called envy - the east has always hated the west because we are successful, and they are not.

I'm all for separation....where do I sign up?

I'd rather spend $30 million for an election that would provide needed stimulus in several hurting sectors of the econmy than have the coalition spend $30 billion of our tax money on a hasty stimulus package that may not work.

Joanne,

Layton is only doing his job, which is to get into the the PMO. For Layton to become PM he must get rid of the Liberals. He has been assailing them from the outside for several years with little effect.

But things have changed big time for Jack.

Dion has now opened the door and invited Jack in, who can now start eating the Liberal beast from the inside. Think of Alien

After the separatists (both Quebec and western) Layton is going to come out the biggest winner in all of this. The Conservatives, depending on how they play their cards, can come out winners.

For the Liberals there is only shame and decline in their future.

SYF,

You seem to see the point without actually seing it.

Ontario voted in 1/2 conservatives then you ask "what about toronto." That's the other 1/2.

It isn't Ontario that are the f'ing wankers - it's Toronto. Dump Toronto, and we're to the right of BC, SK and MN.

"No, learn your lesson. Ontario despises you, sad to say. " Ken B speaks for himself.

Speaking as an Ontarian, I like Westerners just fine. Twits like "Ken B" are whom I despise.

Agree with Dennis.

I'm still waiting for Iggy or Rae to come riding on the proverbial white steed and rescue the Liberals from the treason of Dion, who would throw Canada under the bus and bed with the Separatists.

Then I wonder if either of them is actually that smart.

"I'm all for separation....where do I sign up?"

You realize, Joanne, there's a not insignificant chance a boy from Ontario would kill your boy from Alberta if a separatist movement gained hold and your son joined or was pressed into service?

I know that sounds harsh, but it's also true, and could be so for many mothers. Think carefully.

Posted by: Christoph at December 2, 2008 3:49 PM

Straw man bub. Naw, same infected boil on our collective rump. Telling people to take a percoset, a couple of shots of vodka and to just chill out isn't gonna cut it. This ain't the Canada of 1965 anymore. The population is less pliant, the media is finally refining its' peddling of emotion in the information age, and the Gen Y's and below are disconnected and singularly driven for self.

As to your second point? Same difference. A majority of Westerners don't want to separate.

Not yet. But as I said, it is an inevitability. Whether 10 years, 50, or 100, it is an inevitability.

Explorers, settlers, pilgrims, and others left Europia to seek freedom, liberty, and opportunity from the old ways of old europe. Whether vestiges of serfdom, hereditary lineage, or good old fashioned patronage and butt kissing, those who came to seek a better life sought to escape from the repression and pre-defined stations in life that were determined by others.

That drive will never be suppressed. Even if we run out of land running away from it. Thus, a war will begin.

ian vaughan - because the leadership contestants all have publicly declared that they support the putsch and coalition.

bartf - yes, it seems that the cabal has gone totally insane. Our Senate, already a corrupt haven for Liberal patronage-appointees - is now, not to be reformed and made democratic, but made corrupted even more, as payments for political sycophants and deadbrained followers. Six seats for the Bloc. That's giving seats to a party not to the person; and a party dedicated to separation from Canada.

A seat for Elizabeth May, in return for urging her voters to support the Cabal.

Are these people stark raving mad? Is there something in the Ottawa water? Have they forgotten that we are a democracy and that they can't take over our government and set up a fraudulent unelected govt, bent on using our money to bribe and buy support?

christoph, please help me. Take as a premise that I have 'no sense'. You say that the coalition is legal; that it's constitutional. Please help me. I cannot find anywhere in our constitution anything about a coalition, legal or illegal. Please cite the Canadian constitution and tell me where it talks about coalitions. Thanks.

Jose- coalitions are not a fact of life in democracies unless their governmental structure operates that way - as in Italy or Israel, etc, where they have proportional representation and many parties. In these cases, the party with the highest votes/seat count, gets the right to form the govt, which it does via coalitions.

This is not the case in other countries, which use the Westminster system of democracy or the US style. In these cases, the party with the most seats/members elected gets the right to form the govt. Period. They do not set up a coalition. And this has nothing to do with a minority or majority; just, the most seats.

But, this putsch is now moving into the realm of pure insanity. Handing out Senate seats as plum rewards, setting up its plans to reward its unionites with taxpayer money. All, all, without the will of the electorate, and indeed, ignoring that will.

And why? Just over a fiscal update that asked for financial restraints within the govt, the civil service, and the political parties who refuse to raise their own funds and prefer to feed off the taxpayer? But this was planned long before any mention of these restrains, long before. The tactic was to be used on ANY financial Motion put to the House - it had nothing to do with the Motion, but with the Agenda of using a financial Motion as a means to take Power.

Insane. And frankly, evil. We are not a third world nation of oligarchs taking over our government. We are a democracy and the government rests on the will of the people. We did not vote for a coalition. Each of us voted for a separate party.

For example, in one riding in Toronto, you had Peggy Nash NDP running against Gerard Kennedy Liberal. Against each other. Not a coalition. We did not vote for them both; we voted for one party only.

And we do not want to be a colony of Quebec, which is being made into the Imperial Emperor of Canada, with the lone right of allowing Motions to be passed or not. We are not a colony; we are a free nation.

Well my little friend Christoph, I must tell you that my children are adults - probably much older than you. All are extremely well educated - in lucrative positions and pay high taxes that are going to support your schooling. Not to worry I have no influence on them anymore.

As for you, your prove from you statements you are uneducated and ignorant. Won't respond again

A Newfie here.
A great many people and the MSM are saying looking at total vote from the last election supports a coalition
The Conservatives cannot be taken down by the Liberals and NDP alone. Most Canadians don't want anything to do with the NDP or Layton. Fewer still want anything to do with May. Most do not want Dion. The Bloc is a separatist Quebec party. Very few (no real Canadians)Canadians want them. This is a coalition of people that no one wants except the Ultra Left. The GG has to see this.

The Canadian people must be shown how far to the left this coalition must be in order to survive. I don't believe most Canadian realize what this coalition will bring. I hope to see the coalition fail right from the start but if they succeed they will ultimately bury themselves. Surely there must be some moderates in the Liberal party who sees this.

regards
Dan

Dave, you are an idiot. I don't despise westerners. But a LOT of ontarions do. My point is if westerners feel that -- well they have cause.

By the way there was a great post on the national post website today

"Needless to say, the mere fact that something is legal doesn’t make it either right or desirable. If the endorsement of the Conservatives in the 2008 elections was far from unequivocal, the rejection of the Liberals in general, and their leader, Stéphane Dion, in particular, certainly was. Whatever Canadians wanted six weeks ago when they went to the polls, what they clearly did not want was a Liberal prime minister, especially Stéphane Dion. If this is what they end up getting, constitutional as it may be, it will be a mockery of democracy"

regards Dan

Canada is at a crossroads and the GG had better get it right.
If she accedes to the wishes of the troika to govern, ( as per their agreement, they have outnumbered the conservatives ).
But here is the rub - Canada will have it's first defacto communist government.
A fact of life, accept it, Canadians, we will have joined the ranks of Cuba, Venezuela, and China in governance ideology!!

Because Taliban Jack and marxist Duceppe were plotting a coup long before the financial "update" by Flaherty, the scheme to dump the conservatives and gain control was well planned.

The GG must allow the people to decide in another election.

"Surely there must be some moderates in the Liberal party who sees this."

One would hope. But one wonders where the optimism comes from.

My optimism is with swing voters, and conservative supporters being enegized. I hold out little hope for engaging the majority of NDP/Lib/Bloc supporters in actual thought.

It's hard enough here.

Bob Rae: Hello, Office of the PM-Elect, how many I help you? (listens) Sorry, if you want a final decision on that, you'll need to speak to the Bloc Quebecois. One moment, let me transfer you. (hangs up)

(To Ignatieff) You know, Ig, the last thing I wanted to deal with was people asking me to get back to them on final decisions for things.

Michael Ignatieff: How do you think I feel? I've painted this office fourteen times in the past three months - The Laytonites tell me I keep choosing "colors of oppression and imperialism" and want me to soften things up, while the Bloc tell me they want it to be all "pure laine" coloring. I went down to the local Canadian Tire and asked for it, and they gave me a funny look and just handed me some eggshell coloring.

Rae: At least you're not sitting on the phone forwarding calls ten hours a day. I never had it this bad when I was Premier of Ontario. All I had to do was go down to any Toronto University, find any gaggle of budding progressives, and they'd fall all over themselves volunteering to do my work for me. I'd go skinny dipping instead. With Rick Mercer.

Ignatieff: Please, I don't want to hear this story again...

(An argument is heard outside the office door, whick opens. Jack Layton, Gilles Duceppe, and Stephane Dion enter, arguing)

Jack Layton: Look, it's neccesary we do this. Otherwise those pro-choice, misogynistic, right-wing Christian conservatives might get back in control! And who knows what they'll do to us! I mean, its awful, they're going to try to show that actually working for more than six months out of the year won't kill you! And besides, how could I deny Canadians the pleasure of seeing my mustache every day during their Reeducation Studies course? I spend a lot of time on this thing, you know! It's not just so Olivia says I don't look like an egg!

Stephane Dion: Iz dunno, what doos you think, Gilles?

Gilles Duceppe: (shrugs) Does Quebec get more transfer money for it?

Dion: Iz don't tink zo, ze West, zey are already mad enough dat dere teamz be moved around..

Duceppe: Look, just because we made it more equal for zem peoples of Canada to enjoy ze hockey - ze Flames can go play in Quebec City for half their home games, and the Oilers can play in Hamilton for half of theirs, then switch through ze season after their players subsize ze Arts Foundations in Montreal. Dats not my fault we 'ad to sieze them 'as a lesson to 'halberta.

Layton: They're funded by evil Oil Companies, we had to redistribute them to the rest of the country to make it more fair!

Ignatieff (aside to Bob Rae): Did you already get refills of Laytons prozac and xanax prescriptions? He's in rare form today.

Rae: They're on his desk along with the model representation of Alberta and Saskatchewan, and the model Godzilla.

Dion: Well, we know what be best for zem anyhow. Poutine in every pot, plus ze 'appiness of knowing dat the Conservatives were evil terrorists.

Ignatieff (aside of Bob Rae): When did that happen?

Rae: You don't think we're going to stop with lollygagging our way into office, did you? Might as well do some reeducation while we're at it.

Isn't there something in our laws that makes it illegal to bribe people with personal enhancements in exchange for support - like cabinet posts, senate seats, billions more for their province?

I'm just saying - are there no laws or is our federal government just a pork piggy bank to buy support with YOUR money when you can't earn it on principal alone?

Anybody know what the law for political inducements are?

By the way there was a great paragraph in an article on the National Post website today.

"Needless to say, the mere fact that something is legal doesn’t make it either right or desirable. If the endorsement of the Conservatives in the 2008 elections was far from unequivocal, the rejection of the Liberals in general, and their leader, Stéphane Dion, in particular, certainly was. Whatever Canadians wanted six weeks ago when they went to the polls, what they clearly did not want was a Liberal prime minister, especially Stéphane Dion. If this is what they end up getting, constitutional as it may be, it will be a mockery of democracy"

Regards
Dan

"Isn't there something in our laws that makes it illegal to bribe people with personal enhancements in exchange for support - like cabinet posts, senate seats, billions more for their province?"

That's a good question. You're not supposed to sell a vote in the Commons, but there's nothing that forbids coalitions or the mutual pledge of support they necessitate.

It came up during the Stronach defection. I can't remember the details, but in general, I think it's illegal to offer something of financial value for a vote in the Commons, like a car or cash.

But offering someone a position and then requiring them to vote in support of the government -- their own government, no less -- isn't deemed to be the same thing.

Probably government couldn't function if it were.

Mark,

There were rumours that iggy was near rebellion but it seems like he's been bought.

"There were rumours that iggy was near rebellion but it seems like he's been bought."

That's sad as hell.

I'd love to respect some Liberals and think they were partners in a Federalist Canada at least, but where is the evidence?

I think they're partners in stamping down every threat to their power and that is it.

Christoph

Obviously the poll is bunk, I just think it is interesting. WRT Ontario, I hold the province accountable for their electoral history.

This has been discussed extensively so I will give you my take in a nutshell. There is nothing wrong with how Quebec or Ontario votes, I support them and their rights. I simply recognize that western Canadian values/morals are not compatible with those in central Canada, what ever "those" are. Further more, the only way we out west will be able to preserve our values/culture is to part ways with those who belittle our values/morals and consider them not valid. Confederation is BAD for western Canada, it is our responsibility to protect our children and our property(resources) from those who don't share our values/morals.

WRT to you comment on the poll posted at SDA, you are right, thank-you for making my argument. SDA is predominantly conservative and most of all WESTERN. Always remember, the beauty of western separation is... we don't give a f' what those out east think or wish about it. The separatists in Quebec are correct about this: Canada doesn't work, the split of the country is inevitable. The only question besides when, is: Will central Canada accept western Canada's choice to leave; or, will central Canada use force to keep us here?

Separation is not a right-wing strategy, this appeals to many people out west from all political leanings, left, right and center. Think of all the trees we could save if we didn't send billions to Quebec. Finally, the ace in the hole will be First Nations people in western Canada. Western Canadians and the First Nations out west will set an example for the world and bury the hatchet once and for all.JMO

DECISION
What should the GG do ?
Prorogue Parliament (237) 17%
Hand government to the Coalition (335) 24%
Dissolve Parliament, call an election (796) 57%
Not sure (16) 1%
Don't care (18) 1%

Total Votes: 1402

So Bourque's little straw poll suggests roughly 74% should prorogue or go to another election rather than handing govt. to a Bloc controlled cabalition.

Personally, I would go for another election, before handing power to the coalition. Let them run on their coalition platform which is set out in election materials to be announced.

Should the coalition want power, they should demonstrate they legitimately earned it.
Any other way, is just a hijack of Parliament.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
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If "Iggy has been bought" then the Liberals will be finished in the long run

dan

CTV Poll Update 4:38

Who would you prefer Govern the Country?

Conservatives 17606 67%

The Ndp-liberal Coalition 8635 33%

Looks like this Non-Scientific Poll is staying the Course and Canadians are Speaking out

And since the Greens(tanks on the Hill)have entered the equation, Ctv News should Run a similar poll wed. Only stating the Whole Coalition as this poll Only states NDP/Liberal Coalition. And since the Left is insistant on stating their Combined Votes from the last election justifies their OverThrow of Democracy

"Ignatieff if you were ever to Show some balls & show that you Do Love Canada " -- It would be very good for Ignatieff to back off or put a halt to this if he can. It is definitely time to move off of partisan antics and look seriously at what is in the best interests of Canada. The West, clearly would be livid if the coalition takes over, as would many fair minded, centrists Canadians. I think it is only those strongly on the left who are foaming at the mouth to have this happen. This is not a good move for Libs. If Ignatieff can see it, he will be a hero in Canadian's eyes. Rae, Ignatieff, and Leblanc think they are safe if they let Dion lead on this -- they are not -- they will wear it in the next election.

Canada is at a crossroads and the GG had better get it right. If she accedes to the wishes of the troika to govern, ( as per their agreement, they have outnumbered the conservatives ). But here is the rub - Canada will have it's first defacto communist government.

Yep. But she's a leftist who has supported separatists in the past, even toasted them.

I think the Prime Minister should set up a God-damn video conference call with the Queen and say, "We need a new governor general or the commies take over (I don't think the Queen supports commies). Here's my man, Preston."

But it isn't going to happen, now, is it?

;)

Appointing Lizzie May is only the first step.Actually suspending the election results is the first step, The agreement is for 18 months of 'carte blanche' power and then may be re-negotiated for another year. That is 2 1/2 years to purge any conservatives of power and put their own in place. After the 2 1/2 years is up,Ottawa will be firmly 'progressive' and there will be little hindrance to extend the deal again. This is how democracies cease to exist.We just saw this happen in Venezuela.I'll bet Jack was watching their turn to socialism very closely.This is scary, think 'Jack Layton,President-for-Life,'.

"Personally, I would go for another election, before handing power to the coalition."

Oh for God sakes, damnit!

Why don't you learn what you're talking about rather than creating imaginary armies?

Of course Harper would take an election if he could get one. The Governor-General does not have to give him one after receiving a letter from the other three parties stating they've lost confidence in Harper and are ready and able to form a government. If there's a confidence vote, the government falls and the Jean makes the call.

Jean was appointed by a Liberal, and she is also a leftist who had to renounce French citizenship, who also is a former separatism supporter... and toaster.

A little reality, please, Commander in Chief.

"The agreement is for 18 months of 'carte blanche' power and then may be re-negotiated for another year. That is 2 1/2 years to purge any conservatives of power and put their own in place. After the 2 1/2 years is up,Ottawa will be firmly 'progressive' and there will be little hindrance to extend the deal again. This is how democracies cease to exist.We just saw this happen in Venezuela.I'll bet Jack was watching their turn to socialism very closely.This is scary, think 'Jack Layton,President-for-Life,'."

I believe that's quite possibly the goal.

Layton is as left as you can get and Duceppe is a "former" communist well into his 30s. They appear to have been plotting this for quite some time whether Dion -- on the left of the Liberal party -- was aware of it or not.

Speaking as one who has always been an Alberta Nationalist I was lulled to sleep and dreamed of a good Canada by the hope that Stephen Harper's CPC would begin to heal the damage that these socialists, the Liberals/Dippers/Bloc, had perpetrated on my beloved Alberta.

Yes there is a threat to Alberta today from Ontario, who I have blamed and hated, and the Maritimes, who but for their culture of defeat could have overbalanced the Bloc and given the CPC a majority.

The secret to Liberal/socialist power has always been divide and conquer. Let us fix a vision of a united Canada together and see if we can buy time for Stephen Harper to show Canada the road to a better future. A future that is safe from the rampant radicalism represented by this so-called "coalition".

The past coalition, over 90 years ago, had a chance to return the Canadian body politic to a normal path.
As we stand at the close of 2008, does anyone of good faith think that this coalition, should it take power, will ever find a path back to the normalcy that has any connection to the hope for the future that most Canadians even vaguely entertain today?

What do we, as Canadians, really have to hope for and expect in 2009?

I trust Stephan Harper.

A little reality, please, Commander in Chief.
Posted by: Christoph at December 2, 2008 4:48 PM

Reality indeed. This nation is about to be governed by a socialist/separatist/professor government. Despite the desires of the populace, the words spoken during the election, or anything outside of a deal struck between these three players.

And there is nothing any of you can do about it. Partisan or not.

The downside of this chaotic period, is that the Conservative Party will be finally swallowed by the Progressive Pink Conservatives - ending the entire exercise that Manning and Reform started. First course in this banquet is Harper. The rest will fall into place. Eventually.

That is the reality.

"If there's a confidence vote, the government falls and the Jean makes the call."

Those of you haven't e-mailed or called her office, do so. If you have, do it again. Be polite, be clear and check your spelling and grammar before hitting send. "Your Excellency" wouldn't hurt, either.

info@gg.ca
1 800 465 6890

I don't know if it will make any difference, but it looks like she's our last best hope.

For those of you Christians that think rebellion against an unjust gov't is not biblically permissible read the puritan Samuel Rutherford's "Lex Rex or the Law and the Prince" or read "a Defence of Liberty Against Tyrants" by Junius Brutus a book poular before the French Revolution.

FREE THE WEST!

hardboiled, you forget the part where Duceppe was a communist into his 30s.

"The question then becomes - Is there now more benefits to leaving than staying? Are the pros for separation greater than the cons?"

lynnh

I too am Canadian first and separatist as a last resort.

Allow me to make your question more concise.

Why stay?

"I don't know if it will make any difference, but it looks like she's our last best hope."

Really?

hardboiled, you forget the part where Duceppe was a communist into his 30s. Posted by: Christoph at December 2, 2008 4:56 PM

Great. I didn't know that until today. I wonder if Alberta will be the new Georgia under this bunch?

Section II of the Emergencies Act, formerly the War Measures Act, may apply to this unconstitutional power grab:

"Declaration of a Public Order Emergency

Declaration of a public order emergency

17. (1) When the Governor in Council believes, on reasonable grounds, that a public order emergency exists and necessitates the taking of special temporary measures for dealing with the emergency, the Governor in Council, after such consultation as is required by section 25, may, by proclamation, so declare.

Contents
(2) A declaration of a public order emergency shall specify

(a) concisely the state of affairs constituting the emergency;

(b) the special temporary measures that the Governor in Council anticipates may be necessary for dealing with the emergency; and

(c) if the effects of the emergency do not extend to the whole of Canada, the area of Canada to which the effects of the emergency extend.

Effective date

18. (1) A declaration of a public order emergency is effective on the day on which it is issued, but a motion for confirmation of the declaration shall be laid before each House of Parliament and be considered in accordance with section 58.

Expiration of declaration
(2) A declaration of a public order emergency expires at the end of thirty days unless the declaration is previously revoked or continued in accordance with this Act.
Orders and Regulations

Orders and regulations

19. (1) While a declaration of a public order emergency is in effect, the Governor in Council may make such orders or regulations with respect to the following matters as the Governor in Council believes, on reasonable grounds, are necessary for dealing with the emergency:

(a) the regulation or prohibition of

(i) any public assembly that may reasonably be expected to lead to a breach of the peace,

(ii) travel to, from or within any specified area, or

(iii) the use of specified property;

(b) the designation and securing of protected places;

(c) the assumption of the control, and the restoration and maintenance, of public utilities and services;

(d) the authorization of or direction to any person, or any person of a class of persons, to render essential services of a type that that person, or a person of that class, is competent to provide and the provision of reasonable compensation in respect of services so rendered; and

(e) the imposition

(i) on summary conviction, of a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars or imprisonment not exceeding six months or both that fine and imprisonment, or

(ii) on indictment, of a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding five years or both that fine and imprisonment,

for contravention of any order or regulation made under this section."

laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/E-4.5/bo-ga:l_II//en#anchorbo-ga:l_II

There is no precedent for this power grab, making it unconstitutional and the very definition of a coup. According to international law, when a state fails, sovereignty reverts to the people, meaning that any and all agents of the state have no controlling authority over the people.

Let's shut down the airports, like they did in Thailand.

"I wonder if Alberta will be the new Georgia under this bunch."

Maybe Obama will be like Bush and check the socialists from taking over Canada like Russia tried to take over Georgia?

christoph - note also how the signed deal, a deal signed by Layton, Dion and Duceppe, says that the Bloc will not support a non-confidence motion at any time in the agreement.

This means that this corrupt coalition, if put in place, cannot fall. It can announce the most terrible budget, filled with patronage deals and kickbacks - just as they are now doing with offering Senate seats to the Bloc and May - and nothing can be done about it. Nothing. Nothing.

Because the Bloc has moved out of being operative in a parliament, where its vote must be based on the validity of a Motion, and into a Cabal, which operates to maintain the Cabal - and to hell with the nature of the Motions proposed.

The Bloc has been, so far, bought with one billion of our taxpayer money. One billion goes to Quebec for its part in destroying democracy in Canada.

Are they insane?

The improved link to the Coalition Terms, which seem to include the return of the issue of national daycare:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Policy%20Frame_en.pdf

"Families: As finances permit, we are committed to moving ahead with improved child benefits and an early learning and childcare program in partnership with each province, and respectful of their role and jurisdiction, including the possibility to opt out with full compensation."

Bob screwed it up in Ont. I don't think he is there for the repeat. Iggy called the coalition a poison chalice so he has misgivings too. Iggy has about 70% support. The problem for him is they will leave the non-leader in as PM to take the heat. But people know it is Iggy with the support so if he wanted to stop it he could have and did not. Iggy is going to wear it and he is the one with the least to gain.

BREAKING on Duffy...

Jean Lapierre says that Jacques Parizeau is to come out and endorse the colaition.

ET, individual MPs of whatever party could, in theory, vote to bring down the government. However, lots of people think it will immediately implode.

It might, but I wouldn't bet on it either.

Off topic, but this is terrible.

Remember how big online video was in the recent American election?

That is the Conservative Party of Canada YouTube channel. Last sign in -- 2 days ago.

Logo, design, etc? Nonexistent. Relevant video message (audio if need be for now) on this issue? Zero.

We always did suck on the web front.

My God! Look at Stephen Taylor's website. I throw up whenever I see it.

There is no precedent for this power grab, making it unconstitutional...

Logic isn't your forte. A does not imply B.

... and the very definition of a coup.

"unprecedented" is the definition of a coup?

According to international law, when a state fails, sovereignty reverts to the people, meaning that any and all agents of the state have no controlling authority over the people.

You're either a nut -- which is my first guess -- or you're a Moby (a leftist pretending to be a conservative to discredit them, named after Moby the jackass, but very talented artist).

Either way, you're an idiot.

ET:

You didn't think that the cabalition really cares a tinker's damn whether we live or die, as long as they have power and most importantly; the money.

We are after all, only mere peons who are a democratic inconvenience to their longer term designs.

What we are quickly finding out is, that the cabalition will not be separated from its 'lolly' come "Hell or Highwater", I believe was Paul Martin's phrase.

In short, they will tell you what to believe, like they have planned all along.

Real democratic freedom is a dangerous concept to them.

If Dion has real guts, let us see him take the coalition proposal to the people, with or without the backroom machinations.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North

ET, individual MPs of whatever party could, in theory, vote to bring down the government. However, lots of people think it will immediately implode.

It might, but I wouldn't bet on it either.

Off topic, but this is terrible.

Remember how big online video was in the recent American election?

That is the Conservative Party of Canada YouTube channel. Last sign in -- 2 days ago: You Tube "forward slash" cpccpp

Logo, design, etc? Nonexistent. Relevant video message (audio if need be for now) on this issue? Zero.

We always did suck on the web front.

My God! Look at Stephen Taylor's website. I throw up whenever I see it.

There is no precedent for this power grab, making it unconstitutional...

Logic isn't your forte. A does not imply B.

... and the very definition of a coup.

"unprecedented" is the definition of a coup?

According to international law, when a state fails, sovereignty reverts to the people, meaning that any and all agents of the state have no controlling authority over the people.

You're either a nut -- which is my first guess -- or you're a Moby (a leftist pretending to be a conservative to discredit them, named after Moby the jackass, but very talented artist).

Either way, you're an idiot.

Maybe the present government should declare Quebec an independent country and ban their MPs from attending the House of Commons. Then they would have a majority, and Duceppe could hardly complain about it.

Taking into account that the CPC built up a huge war chest and Jason Kenney spent a lot of time peeling away immigrant votes from the Liberals, perhaps when he comments publicly, Parizeau will say that the only reason Harper won more seats is because of "money and the ethnic vote".

A "former" Commie (Duceptte)...A Seperatist (Duceptte)...A French Citizen (Dion)...A Socialist (Layton) want to make plans to wrestle control with a former French Citizen and Separatist mascarading as the Head of State (Jean)
In any other contry this would be called treason or sedition. Any gov't that these evil people form would be false and lack true authority to lead. The west should declare independence immediatly. Rebellion is warented when gov't has lost the support of the people and the intermediate governing bodies.

"Maybe the present government should declare Quebec an independent country and ban their MPs from attending the House of Commons. Then they would have a majority, and Duceppe could hardly complain about it."

But how could you convince Canada's loyal Governor-General to sign onto that?

/sarc

Christoph: You linked to a two year old article about events 14 years earlier. Jean may, or may not, have changed her views since then and she was/is not responsible for her husband's views.

The fact remains that she will have two choices - dissolve parliament or accept the coalition. Those of us who want her to choose the first should make our views known to her. As I said, it may not make any difference but it certainly can't hurt. And the five minutes it will take to make that view known is time well-spent.

"The west should declare independence immediatly. Rebellion is warented [sic]..."

If you were "merely" advocating rebellion, yes, that's a crime and all, but I could understand it as misguided patriotism.

Instead, you criticize separatism and advocate separatism. Leading me to believe -- sincerely -- you are an idiot.

Same with your separatism call. Where is this majority of people who would do this? Don't even worry about answering. You're stupid.

And don't bother attacking me in return either. You just advocated both rebellion against Canada and secession, the vary things we are fighting against. You advocate Treason. But also criticize it.

You're a mess.

for those of you inclined to speak out to (ex) Citoyen Jean, the attached link seems to be gaining momentum...

http://www.canadians4democracy.ca/

So much may ride on a Governor General who had a dual citizenship, who was appointed by the Liberals and who has a husband with separatist leanings.

Greg Weston of the Ottawa Sun makes a valid case that a new coalition government could not possibly deliver a new budget before March:

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Columnists/Weston_Greg/2008/12/01/7601731-sun.html

Posted by: Christoph at December 2, 2008 5:29 PM

Due to recent events, maybe you've had some over-stimulation on the partisan front, or maybe just frustrated. Either or, it looks like you've been posting too long today bub.

"I don't know if it will make any difference, but it looks like she's our last best hope."

How I remember arguing with the mush-heads three-plus years ago about the utter unsuitability of this woman to be GG. They liked her smile. I pointed out that she had no experience for the job, was appointed for politically-correct reasons, and had had, at the very least, separatist sympathies. And her husband was a separatist supporter. No matter.

I'm afraid that Lucien Bouchard may have been right.

GG is not obligated to give into coupalition, even if she refuses PM request for dissolution. Why, because she must be sure coupalition does indeed have support of parliament. And, though above politics, she cannot make this decision in a vacuum, and must consider those ramifications, because they indeed have effect on parliamentary stability.

She also has piles of precedence backing dissolution and zero that apply to coalition without majority, where government, by far, won the most seats. This kind of decision risks invalidating any future minority government, of any stripe, which, given we have a four, and possibly five, party system, majorities are becoming increasingly difficult.

BTW, Lester Pearson tried something similar in 1958, was rebuffed, and then creamed in next general election by Diefenbaker.

History shows coalition and minorites are extremely unstable, with promises not kept. Dion, Layton and Duceppe lied to the electorate about not entering coalition, so why are there statements and agreements now to be believed.

On balance, GG has no choice but to grant dissolution request. Unless and until Bloc are formal members of coalition with cabinet seats, thus with real stake in keeping parliament stable, she must refuse coupalition request.

No matter what happens, the Liberals and NDP, and possibly the Bloc (though their leader has been quite cunning) are finished as viable political parties in their own right. Nobody will believe them, and the thousands (IMO) of Canadians who voted for Liberals on basis they WOULD NOT ENTER INTO COALITION WITH NDP, will change their vote, whenever they get their chance.

Our constitution sets out condition of peace, order and good government. How can the coupalition possibly deliver this, and how can GG believe they will, given their duplicity and dishonesty with electorate?

BTW, the argument that Canadians will forgive the Liberals when they deliver good government sounds a lot like Chretien saying it was OK to steal money from the taxpayers because the were trying to "save the country."

For Liberals, that is. If this $1.98 coup succeeds, the West will howl, and all their disparate separation movements will quickly gain legitimacy and momentum. And I will be there, with these suggested conditions to forestall separation, dutifully and carefully carried out in conformance with the Clarity Act:

- we collect all our own taxes
- we administer each and every provincial responsible program (health, education, etc), retaining all revenues.
- ALL transfer payments are to cease immediately
- proper rep by pop, or proportional rep if necessary if to be IMMEDIATELY implemented

Do what is necessary, change the consitution, whatever, or we will go.

Separation if necessary, though not necessarily, provided our minimum requirements are met. Otherwise, bye bye.

Christoph, I think the paradigm of a dysfunctional marriage is most applicable: PQ has merely threatened to leave the marriage, and used that threat to leverage a good deal for itself.

To suggest separation as a the solution is more a case of fatigue with the constant threats and leverage, and seeks a haven of peace and stability by finally calling the bluff and walking out the door.

I have no desire to keep PQ in federation, and wish the threatening spouse would finally pack their bags and leave. However, life is better for that spouse staying on the inside and whining.

If the spouse won't leave, then the other alternative is leaving the spouse.

The constant threat of separation has fatigued the ROC. This grab for power is likely the last straw for the west, and I cannot blame them. Enough.

If we want this nonsense to stop once and for all, we have to find our teeth, and sink them deeply (figuratively) into the calves of these scumbags in Ottawa.

I believe our response should be to find every legal way we can to be ungovernable, to refuse to be governed in "business as usual" manner, while every region of the country weighs its options.

christoph - it's naive of you to think that in this coalition, with the Bloc committed to all its members refusing to agree with a non-confidence vote, that any or enough of the other MPs of this coup in the NDP-Liberal party would vote in favour of a non-confidence vote.

And actually, Taylor has a point about precedence informing constitutionality. I suggest you tone down your rather smug assertion of superiority. My point is that I cannot find, anywhere in the constitution, any comments about coalitions. I've asked several times on this blog, for people who claim that it is or is not 'constitutional' to please provide the article. No reply.

This leaves us with the conventionality rule of law, ie, where convention, which is not signed law, but it acts as a law of precedence, ie. a form of common law. And there is no precedence for this attempted coup, which does make it, in common parlance, illegal or non-acceptable as a procedure. No need to throw up, christoph; just consider it.

Also, 'lots of people' (? argumentum ad populam?) think it will implode. How? Why should it? These MPs have everything, they think, to gain, raiding the taxpayer, bleeding the taxpayer, and using the money to pay of special interest groups in return for their presumed..next election..votes.

But ahh - what next election? What if they vote to extend their Rule? Now,that might be unconstitutional, but I'd bet they'd get around that as well.

They are already setting themselves up such that they do not face an election.
And I suspect they are terrified of an election. Think about it.

Would they campaign as separate parties? Liberal candidate vs NDP candidate? Hmm? Or would they agree not to have opposite candidates? No Green candidates? The end of the Green party? What about the Bloc? No Liberal-NDP-Green candidates in Bloc ridings? Or would they campaign as a coaltion? Or???

I think they are totally insane.

We need an election. Now. They have no right to take over our country and our money and our House and Senate.

Kathryn: "Christoph: You linked to a two year old article about events 14 years earlier. Jean may, or may not, have changed her views since then and she was/is not responsible for her husband's views."

And the separatists had a referendum 13 years ago. But that was so 1990s -- surely we can't draw any conclusions from that. The Bloc can't possibly still want sovereignty. It was so long ago. Duceppe is such a great guy. In fact I'd vote for him if I could.

"You realize Joanne, there's not a insignificant chance a boy from Ontario would kill your boy from Alberta if a separatist movement gained hold and your son joined or was pressed into service."

Christoph - Dec 02 4.10

And if you said that in front of me Christoph, there is a 100% chance of me ripping your nuts off and ramming them down your effing throat.
Threatening people over their political beliefs, how bloody bizarre can you wackos get?

Sounds like you are an expert on the Charter of Rights in this country, eh?

MJ, I'm not drawing conclusions from anything. Her past/current sympathies may come into play in her decision and there's not much we can do about that. All I'm saying is that we should do what we can to help her make the right decision. We may not have much of a voice in this but it's still a voice. Use it.

"christoph - it's naive of you to think that in this coalition, with the Bloc committed to all its members refusing to agree with a non-confidence vote, that any or enough of the other MPs of this coup in the NDP-Liberal party would vote in favour of a non-confidence vote."

It's not naive of me, I have the opposite opinion for God's sakes.

In other words, I believe it may prove stable. And that's what I said. Further I think this is a longstanding leftist plot between communist in all but name, Layton, and "former" communist Duceppe. Whether leftist within the liberal party, Dion, was aware of it or not is an open question. He says he wasn't.

Professor clueless or professor liar and plotter, have your pick.

"And if you said that in front of me Christoph, there is a 100% chance of me ripping your nuts off and ramming them down your effing throat."

No one threatened her son, but her own actions in calling for separation.

Wars start that way. People are killed in wars.

If her desire was carried through to fruition, it would have a reasonable chance of killing her son.

"And if you said that in front of me Christoph, there is a 100% chance of me ripping your nuts off and ramming them down your effing throat."

Separation is not the path of peace. If you're too stupid to understand that, rockyt, so be it. If Joanne is, so be it. But her son shouldn't have to pay the penalty for such shortsidedness.

If separation is worth the price, fine, but I say it isn't. Not yet. Hopefully not ever.

And if it hurt her feelings? Good. She needs to grow up. So do all of you calling for Treason and separation. These things have consequences.

*shortsightedness

Get a grip Christoph. How many Qubecers have been killed over threatening to secede over the years?
PS, why don't you create your own blog as well, this isn't your personal site to yak on and on.

I am thoroughly disgusted with the Liberal Party right now.

What they can't get in an election they try and take by theft.

It's like they believe they have some god given right to govern Canada, regardless of their actions and whether the majority of voters want them or not.

Disgusting!

"Treason and separation"

Chris you sometimes make sense but this statement is false. Alberta entered into Confederation willingly, and will exit in the same matter. Your brand of Federalism is nothing more than fascism.

"How many Qubecers have been killed over threatening to secede over the years?"

A few.

And it's not the threat, it's the actuality. IF secession reached critical mass, particularly in a low population province where the central government could realistically prevail in shutting it down, then the odds of conflict are high.

Plus it would leave provinces and territories ripe for our neighbour who has a history of expansion even this century.

But you know what? She's a traitor. She calls for the dissolution of Canada. F--- her.

But not her son. I don't know anything about her son. For all I know he is a fine decent man.

"Chris you sometimes make sense but this statement is false. Alberta entered into Confederation willingly, and will exit in the same matter."

Well then, I guess we should all respect the Bloc Quebecois.

"MJ, I'm not drawing conclusions from anything. Her past/current sympathies may come into play in her decision and there's not much we can do about that. All I'm saying is that we should do what we can to help her make the right decision. We may not have much of a voice in this but it's still a voice. Use it."

My point is that an event 14 years ago is highly relevant to the situation.

Today in the H of C Stephen Harper was as energized as I've seen him for a long time. His theme was that the "coalition" is gambling with the unity and future of the country simply for the sake of power. I suspect that Harper isn't confident that the GG will view the threat posed by collaboration with the separatists as a serious one; that HER normal isn't the same as his or that of most Canadians. I think that his repeated beating on this theme is an attempt to frame the issue for the GG specifically, so that she HAS to take it into account.

Just heard that Jacques Parizeau will have a letter published tomorrow which throws his support behind Dion and Duceppe. That should help Dion a ton.

shaken: "I suggest we try to find a dozen or so Liberal MPs who would like to continue their political careers and work on persuading them to cross the floor, for the sake of the country.

"This is not business as usual."

That's for sure. I suggested the floor crossing four days ago. 'Came to me in the middle of the night! There have GOT to be some sane Liberals (and maybe a few NDPs) who will band together with the CPC to see that Canadian democracy is preserved.

This palace coup cannot stand.

"That's for sure. I suggested the floor crossing four days ago. 'Came to me in the middle of the night! There have GOT to be some sane Liberals (and maybe a few NDPs) who will band together with the CPC to see that Canadian democracy is preserved."

You know what? I'm done.

Most of the people here vote the same way I do -- and I'm pretty f'n far right -- but you guys are mostly nuts to the point of being dumb.

NDP MPs are going to throw away their chance of a coalition government and real power to move the country left? And to discredit the Liberals at the same time? Why? I don't care what reason you think they should have. They don't care enough.

They're redistributionists. Marxists, communists, socialists, call them what you will.

It's not even an option and shows the utter fantastical thinking going on between your 2 ears that you think it's possible.

Liberal MPs? Maybe. But probably not. And not many if there are.

"This palace coup cannot stand."

Actually it can. That's the thing. It can. But we should fight against it nonetheless.

Kate, thanks for the nice forum and all the sh--s and giggles over the years; I've enjoyed them.

I suggest you tone down your rather smug assertion of superiority.
Christoph has been banned from alot of blogs for his superiority complex that often shows itself through bitter personal attacks about his superior intellectual and moral analysis. This ranges from cerebral sites, like Patterico's Pontifications, to (just recently) the more open (he typed euphamistically) Ace of Spades HQ's site. And no, I don't know why he just doesn't get his own blog.

Do you think that Dion and Layton truly in their heart of marxist hearts believe that we the stupid people got in wrong in voting for Stephen Harper as our Prime Minister.

Marxist/socialists always believe that the ruling elite are the only ones who know what's best for the peon masses.

Maybe they think they are just righting our own big stupid uneducated mistake and we should be so happy that they found a way to save us from ourselves.

Christoph, lets be clear.
You did threaten her, weasel.
You told her to think carefully after telling her her son could be killed.
And I don't like that.

And now Christoph, are you really that stupid about separatism?

When the UN (United Nations, I writing this really slow so you can keep up) was formed in the late 1940s, there were only about 50 countries in it.

And now in the year 2008, there are about 200 nations in it.
So, where did they all come from, big boy?
Did the stork bring them?
Did they all raise their hand and ask politely if they could leave the country?

Today it is a commonly accepted belief that any group of people who think that they have legitimate reason to become an independent country has the right to do it.
Including Quebec. And I would wish them well.

That is the signature of civilization in the last 100 years of world history.
New nations are being created all the time because of ignorant selfish little (coalition) jerks who want to plunder and destroy the democratic system.

Try to keep up, eh?

Ken B: "I am from Ontario -- for more generations than there has been a Canada. And I must tell you westerners -- Albertans especially -- something. We despise you."

Kevin B: I, also, am from Ontario and my family has lived here since 1799. I DON'T despise Alberta. I really like their rugged individualism and the fact that their reform movement against the entrenched, entitled "powers that be" has challenged and changed for the best Canada's democracy.

Thank you, Alberta. My Canada includes Alberta.

Whoops: I was addressing my comments to Ken B.

The time for the Rally for Canada has been posted; it's from noon to 2:00 pm across Canada.

Also, there's an online petition asking the GG to, on dissolution, call for an election.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nocoalition

Meanwhile, write, write, write - to all MPs, the GG at info@gg.ca, newspapers, etc against this putsch.

One thing that's for sure, this coalition does not want an election. Absolutely not. Notice how they've set up their 'govt' such that it can't be dissolved for at least two years; the Bloc, which is the King and Emperor of this govt, has guaranteed that it will not permit a no-confidence vote to pass. How's that for democracy? Could Putin do any better?

But this coalition does not want an election. After all, if one were held now, would they go to the polls as separate competitive parties? Or as a coalition? Of how many parties? We now have the NDP-Liberals-Bloc on paper. Then, there's the Greens who've publicly locked in to get at the goodies and plum senate seats and pensions. So, how would they go to the polls.

The first, last and most important thing this coaltion does NOT want is an election. They don't want the people to have any power. They are the Power.

Rudy: "What are they [Bobo Rae and the Iggster] up to?

No good, and that's a given.

Now that the sh** is hitting the fan (just watched MDL--and is HE on a roll!) we're not going to see these guys. They're holed up somewhere trying to distance themselves from Little Dion and his Twisted Troika of Twits.

Good luck, guys. Your names are forever connected with the Libarno$ and are seared into the collective Canadian brain and psyche.

Note that the Rally for Canada will be held from noon to 2:00 pm across Canada. Type in the name and you'll find out where in various cities. I can't provide the link as the spam filter catches it.

Also, there's an online petition to the GG asking her that if dissolution occurs, to ask for an election. Again, I can't provide the link. Try 'no coalition government for canada'. It's on triple w dot ipetitions dot com slash petition slash nocoalition.

Hope that works.

Why do people even respond to "Christoph"? Pay attention to our gracious and magnanimous hostess:

DON'T F****** FEED THE TROLLS. WHAT DON'T POSTERS HERE UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?

May and her tanks is just as stupid as Hedy Fry and her "burning crosses, as we speak".

ET wrote; And why? Just over a fiscal update that asked for financial restraints within the govt, the civil service, and the political parties who refuse to raise their own funds and prefer to feed off the taxpayer? But this was planned long before any mention of these restrains, long before. The tactic was to be used on ANY financial Motion put to the House - it had nothing to do with the Motion, but with the Agenda of using a financial Motion as a means to take Power.................... Exactly,and for further proof ,there is time between when a motion or bill is introduced in the HofC and when it is voted upon.During this time there is debate,amendments,and compromise.The coalition did not attempt any of this,they sprung their scheme immediately,without amy debate. It really didn't matter what was in the bill,the timing is what is important. The closer to the previous election,the better chance that the GG will accept their offer of a coalition and not call another election. These people are evil.

And i always figured dionkey and flaketon were merely ignorant, worthless, stupid morons.

I really have to learn how to set up my comments better. I was quoting ET only up until the.............The rest is my thoughts.

WallyJ, you wrote: "It really didn't matter what was in the bill, the timing is what is important. The closer to the previous election,the better chance that the GG will accept their offer of a coalition and not call another election. These people are evil."

They are scheming traitors.

Just heard that Roy Romanow was a part of this plan to overturn a duly elected gov't.

SHAME on Romanow and SHAME on Broadbent.

"Mike Duffy has just reported that Elizabeth May has said:
Please Mr Harper Don't Put Tanks On The Hill to Prevent Coalition MP's.

God Help Us"

Elizabeth May and Dion have flipped their lids.

What rubbish they spew.

reg,@7:45

re dippers and libs

what have they done recently that might change your mind?

actually they could hardly have positioned themselves further from what they want - they merely made their ignornorant worthless stupid move and it is as close as any moron is ever going to get. the scheme they have cooked up has as much chance of success as a snowball in hell.

they have done damage to our democracy but it's nothing a conservative majority won't heal. there is going to be an election whether they want one or not. they thought they could blow one by canada and they will suffer terribly for their poor judgement and naked ambitions. they have done immeasurable damage to their their own political causes.

they are revealed... and up shit creek without a paddle.

If anyone is going to write the GG,it may not be a bad idea to remind her why her family fled Haiti after 'Papa Doc's" democratic gov't.

re dolly: "OK guys it's time for a tax revolt....My freezer is full and my stock cupboard is full. ... I will have private dinner parties and entertain in my home like the good old days....We have a small business and I do not send my taxes quarterly but at year end. Maybe I will - Maybe I wont. ...I will be closing my stock portfolios ...I will pull my money out of the TD Bank and put it in a credit union....Have I forgotten anything that I can do to make this economy sink if this treasoness trio get the government."

AND
re shaken "Consumer strike, right now.
Suspend all purchases of non-essential goods and services. This will minimize GST revenues flowing to this Frankenstein being bolted together in Ottawa. My wallet is closed until we have an election."

It's called going John Galt.
http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2008/10/going-john-galt.html

Hate to put a damper on anyone's hopes that the GG can be counted on to make a good decision.
In September I spoke with an Ottawa friend who has mingled with GG several times at a few functions.
My very intelligent politically active friend did not have great things to say about the level of intellect of our GG.
I am sure PMSH is dreading this aspect of the mess.I'd rather he could go directly to the Queen.

"I'd rather he could go directly to the Queen." ============ Please, don't tell me that the NDP have brought Svend back.

What next? The buck-toothed Lizzie May really will end up on the back of the nickel. (I dunno who said it first but it so describes her!).

I am totally disgusted and irritated at the coverage the media gives to Elizabeth May. I have started tonight by emailing CPAC, and will continue with whatever channel I see her on. We should all do the same.

"If you were "merely" advocating rebellion, yes, that's a crime and all, but I could understand it as misguided patriotism.

Instead, you criticize separatism and advocate separatism. Leading me to believe -- sincerely -- you are an idiot.

Same with your separatism call. Where is this majority of people who would do this? Don't even worry about answering. You're stupid.

And don't bother attacking me in return either. You just advocated both rebellion against Canada and secession, the vary things we are fighting against. You advocate Treason. But also criticize it.

You're a mess."

Chrissy,

Don't you have a real job? You've been posting on this blog for two straight days now as far as I can tell, maybe longer. My goodness you have a lot of free time on your hands.

How is it that you know how the majority of Albertans would vote if presented with a referendum on separation? Do you really believe those people in Alberta who would support or feel indifferent to separation would actually admit it to a pollster? A pollster that they would correctly assume was hired by some branch of government? C'mon buddy, you are living in an academic dreamland. How bloody stupid do you think we are out here? This province didn't become the economic powerhouse that it is today without the dedicated, intelligent and ambitious efforts of it's people. Policticians in this province know not to play the divide and conquer games that are played in central Canada. They would have their a**es handed to them in short order.

You see Chrissy, we are a proud and independent people. We have been quite hardened by the constant Alberta bashing that seems to spew out of the mouths of socialist politicians and their sycofants. We really don't care if Quebec leaves and that's a fact. And hey, if they, the Quebec elitists can constantly threaten separation then why can't we? Why should we transfer billions and billions of our hard earned dollars to ungrateful creeps who hate us?

How about this Crissy?: I proclaim the majority of Albertans would vote yes to separation if presented with a credible choice to do so. Like you Chrissy, I just said it. Like you Chrissy, I don't care about evidence to support my proclamation it is simply so because I say it is. The one thing I do know is that EVERYBODY I talk to about this issue agrees that although Canada has great potential as a country we are not in any way worried about separating. We know we can take care of ourselves very nicely thank you and we really don't need the rest of Canada. In fact we believe we would be far better off financially if we weren't a part of Canada. So whatever poll you are refering too that describes Albertans as staunch nationalists is not quite correct. If pushed too hard and disenfranchised too much, we will deal with the issue and our decision to boot central Canada out of our lives will be quick and decisive. We are not afraid of threats of military occupation. We are a hardy people and we know how to care for ourselves and our children. You obviously don't realize how many citizens of Alberta have a stash of weapons at the ready in the unlikely event some stupid politician decides to take our land and property by force from us. I'm not making a threat, I'm stating a fact.

Now please stop with your elitist bulls**t. Stop talking down to us folks here. Yes, you know a great deal about our constitution or you are an avid reader of the MSM news. Who cares buddy? Good for you. Please show some respect to people who comment on this blog. Some folks are rightly very, very upset and they might say things out of emotional outrage. So what? The least you can do is show some integrity and respect thier views without constantly trying to correct them or ridicule them. Have you never had an emotional reaction to an issue that you are passionate about? Of course you have so tone it down a bit please.

Cheers, Cal

ET - I am no constitutional expert, but it seems to me that there are a lot of examples of coalitions forming government in the Westminster parliament both before confederation and after. In fact the way government works is that the Prime Minister is supposed to have the confidence of the house and in a parliament that exists before or without a party system the only way a Prime Minister can govern is with a coalition. We have seen coalitions in the form of minority governments where the PM must act in a manner that has support of the house (informal coalition where there are often behind the scenes talks about potentially divisive matters). Or are you suggesting that a coalition, or this coalition is somehow different?

It seems to me that if the house fails to support the PM, what the GG will be asked to decide is whether there is sufficient evidence before her that the coalition (less members of parliament than the conservatives) has a better chance of governing than the conservatives. She cannot ignore the obvious - and that is that they will not/do not have the support of the conservatives. That means the coalition will require the support of the Bloc. This puts the GG in a constitutional pickle. She will have to decide whether constitutional precedent requires her to give "negative control" to the Bloc, who are dedicated to the breakup of the institution she has been appointed to preserve. I for one hope she surprises us and says no to the coalition and calls for a general election. The worst that can happen then would be a minority government and a general population supported coalition falling out of it.

I find it difficult to see how a coalition to govern Canada can include a party whose express purpose is to separate from Canada. That is in effect what will have to happen, even if they are not signatories to the coalition document. I think that is a red herring they are putting forward to deal with this concern.

That grotesque abomination, Elizabeth May has no more business being involved in government than do I. In fact, she doesn't even deserve an interview with the media as her perspective on the situation is totally irrelevant.

As for the GG ... it would be completely unconscionable for her to allow this maniacal trio to run the country. Dissolve parliament and call an election. So what if it costs another $300 million? If we deny the taxpayers the right to choose our government (even though I thought we did that a short time ago) on the grounds that we can't afford it, then what good is democracy?

The Liberals will have to wear the fact that they ganged up with the socialists and the separatists. It will look good on them.