No doubt the federation is unravelling as it should.

I'm not sure if this is good news or bad news. I don't know how much more crashing our stock market can take.

Now, a domineering Prime Minister known for running a minority like he has won a landslide is on bended knee, petitioning for survival. In a matter of days Mr. Harper has recanted on his plan to withdraw public funding for political parties, has disavowed his intent to eliminate the right of public servants to strike, has moved up the timing of his budget and moved back the timing of a confidence vote.

The sight of him semi-prostrate before the likes of Stéphane Dion and Jack Layton is not something many would have believed. He hasn't done the full revocation yet. He hasn't come forward with a plan for major stimulus in the budget, as opposition parties demand. That could come later this week. But whatever the outcome of the current crisis, one thing is clear: This is a Prime Minister who is getting his comeuppance. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. He isn't dead, but he is mightily humbled. History won't forget these days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv4n4IWKu5c

Yeah Slevine. History will remember ... that the Libs and NDP used to be parties in Canada, until they tried to over run the will of the people and were wiped out ala Mulroney 15 years ago.

If PMSH gets an election forced?

He'll suffer for it.

But, on the bright side? We'll have Dion for another "re-start". :D

I can't see the Liberals ever recovering from this. I mean siding with the separatists. Really! If the coalition collapses and Dion leads them into another GE, on paper it should be a slaughter. But of course they have Montreal and the Toronto core...

Then again, Iggy, of the 'poison chalice' concept, may ask 9 colleagues to find other places to be on Monday. He may even let PMSH know of his colleagues' intentions so as to preclude proroguement (sp?) procedures. I think even Iggy knows that an active Parliament is better than one on sabatical. In which case all of this nonsense is mere hype to make the Conservatives sweat bullets for a week.

"Mr. Harper has recanted on his plan to withdraw public funding for political parties,"

Yahoo the NDP and liberals get to steal more of my money because their supporters don't believe in them enough to give them theirs.

Is this a great country or what? Heres hoping history doesn't forget them tying in with Quebec separatists.

I like how they claim they want a stimulus but don't use the money liberal sup[porters are too selfish to give to their party for it.

Let them implode in on themselves MR Harper. If the west gets out it's not your fault.

Canada's New Flag of Le Cabal de Trois

It is all coming down to a decision by the GG.

No election, a governing coalition - Canada unravels.

Election, PMSH solid majority - Canada, the country, can work.

Michaëlle Jean, social activist, journalist, documentary filmmaker.

Husband, Jean-Daniel Lafond: In it, he says: "I applaud with both hands" Quebec independence and promises to be at "all St. Jean (Baptiste) parades." CTV

We are seeing history here.

If this Alliance comes together Which is looking more & more like it will. Dalton, Danny & others will be crying Bloody Blue Murder!
Why?
Because the NDP/Liberal will bend over backwards to give Quebec anything & everything that the Bloc asks for.
The Premiers who dont normaly weigh in on federal takeovers Better get their act's together & renounce this unholy alliance.
The premiers were against the carbon tax saying what it would do to their economies & Now they will have Dions Tax soon in place & they wont have a chance in Hell of doing anything about it.

If you read into history, you'll find that every civil war, every revolution, and every great nation was destroyed by unstable leadership. Tis only a matter of time.

Whodda thunk it just a week ago?

- Harper "pulls a Paul Martin", ignores his "first obligation" as minority government to consult with the opposition and get their confidence before taking actions, acts likes he's entitled to do whatever the hell he wants because well he's Stephen Harper, including ignoring Parliament, and pulling moves Harper called anti-democratic just a few years ago (eg. cancelling or postponing opposition days).

- the Liberals meanwhile "pull a Harper" and work with the NDP and the Bloc, just like Harper did in 2004-2006, and, just like Harper did, ask the Governor General to respect her constitutional obligation to ask the Leader of the Opposition if it can form a government with the confidence of the House (which, unlike Harper now, it can).

- the NDP and the Bloc, meanwhile, pull "an NDP" and "a Bloc", respectively, and work with the opposition (then the Conservatives, now the Liberals) since they know they can never get any real power without doing so. Oh, and in the case of the NDP, consulting their lawyers about criminal actions against a law breaking, lying Conservative Party.

Does Harper stand for any principle any more or is everything that made the man optional when it comes to clinging to power?

I wish I could tell those rabid jackals over at the CBC what STUPID F***ING IDIOTS they are, but any comment even remotely close to that truth gets blocked!

Public Service Unions are coming out in favor of this Coalition NNW, 76% Quebecers in favor NNW.

So the NDP jumped into bed with Liberals & spread 'em. Then the Lib-Dip Lovers jumped into another bed for a threesome with the Bloc.

So question #1:

How much did the Liberals pay to service the NDP's political libido ?

And Question #2:

How much did the Lib-Dip lover's squeeze have to pay the Bloc to get a few hand jobs during votes to allow them to run the country ?

How many $billions in secret deals has been made that we don't know about

slevine

Thanks for the plagiarism of Lawrence Martin's Globe and Mail article, but we can read for ourselves.

ROTFLMAO
Can one imagine Steffie now as he proudly walks around with his little weenie stuck out like a three year old toddler with a pee hard on!

Mr Teach, sir, or may just call you 'Blackbeard'?

I have now reached the point at which I no longer rise to the baited provocations of Liberal Party mouthpieces like the CBC. It is far more productive and satisfying to simply write them off (like slevine and all of is/her ilk) and refuse to engage with them at all. The time to get busy has come. There is nothing to be gained in attempting to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

The right way forward is for all of us to begin the gritty work of persuading like-minded Westerners to entertain serious thoughts of self-determination. There is no future in any dialogue with Globe and Mail fans, believe me!

The best reply to the CBC-Globe&Mail types is a Western Self-Determination outfit.

I see the stock market is all in favour of Canada's new separatist government, down 700 points with a couple of hours to go. Thanks Jack.

Whatever you may think, never underestimate the abilities of Stephen Harper. I am quite certain he fully anticipated this move by the Professional Socialist Teat Suckers Union. One result that I anticipate is massive voter revolt ending in a conservative super majority at the next election.

BCF, looks like we have Stelmach on our side. His news announcement today about creating a financial hub in Calgary was no mistake. Don't forget that Tom Olson is his communications director, who used to work for the Herald. He is well placed to make sure things can get headlines when necessary.

I for one look forward to hearing further on this issue, and what Albertan's can do to protect themselves further from eastern intrusions that serve no purpose for us and, in fact, hurt us.

Actually, Harper is merely being concilliatory with the opposition, and showing his ability to compromise in order to keep Canada running smoothly.

Geez, make up your mind lefties. When he leads, you call him a dictator and want him to compromise. When he compromises and tries to incorporate the opposition's demands, you sh!t all over him for that, too.

The opposition is either insane, childish, or simply mad for power. Which is it?

Let me get this straight. The Liberals and the NDP are about to manufacture a situation whereby the party that exists for the sole purpose of ripping Canada apart will have more power in the Parliament of Canada than the province that has for the past couple of three decades paid the most into equalization? And this while all about us the markets crumble. Not even the most severely brainwashed leftards can look you in the eye and tell you that the Liberals and NDP are putting Canada first. Hopefully the swing voters will punish this treasonous behavior at the next election assuming the new coalition allows elections.

grok...all of the above.

Here is a link for a rally that is going on in YOUR city this upcoming weekend.

http://www.rallyforcanada.ca/

Get out there and make your voice heard folks!

Canadians will be asking themselves Why should I vote When you have such deals being made Hours After the Election.

Fred: With all the Backroom BS going on For all we know the NDP has agreed to Share with the Liberals their monies they Receive from the Taxpayer Political Party Welfare Cheque.
This may be part of the Deal as We Will Never Know the Truth from this pack of Liars.
This Money of course would most likely pay off most of their Debt.
And speaking of Money Jack have you asked the Liberals to Pay Back to Canadians the Money they Laundered?
Because this is also what Canadians want.

So the lieberals looked at the poo sandwich they constructed over the weekend and thought "Holy cow our leadership contenders are a pretty poor shower, a dipper, a Canadian who only lived here as a young man, and a nepotism candidate. Who is naive enough to lead this thing". Errr.... Stefan yeah we need the Blocs support so Stefan should be good, no problems there and his comments about the NDP finance program weren't really that bad. I'm sure we can patch things up, and it was just bad luck he could not explain our platform last time around I'm sure his English has improved a lot in ten weeks. Stefan can convince the Governor General that her sworn oath to uphold the crown in Canada will be enhanced by needing the Blocs support for the coalition survival.

And while we are discussing getting ourselves considered for government lets put in a few unelected people in the Finance portfolio, they need their pensions topped up. That should not irritate the electorate too much.

Announce corporate tax cuts and a $30,000,000,000 increase in spending (on what?).

Thats a pretty good weekends work.

Coalition of the swilling indeed, or maybe the franco-phonies.

Free the West.

Stephan shines in his new role as Librano Party Useful Idiot.

I'm looking foreward to all these jokers making fools of themselves.

Bonnie Prince Stephie and the Pretenders.

Think about it.

Would the Liberals take down the government and chance an election ? - if the GG had not already assured Dion that he would be appointed PM of all the land ?

I'm looking foreward to all these jokers making fools of themselves.

It was a nice country while it lasted.

Oh well, welcome Cascadia!

Garth

Dion is Gilles' b****. We know who'll be wearing the pants in that family, and it ain't Stephane.

Quick question: If the coalition does go through erasing my democratic rights as a Canadian, do I still have to pay my taxes??

Bob Rae, speaking LIVE on CBC Newsworld stated that, in fact, Harper doesn't have the moral authority to govern because, as Rae put it, "65% of Canadains did not vote for Mr. Harper." Does this mean that Bob Rae is saying that he himself was an illigitimate premier in his day since 65% of Ontarians voted against his New Democratic Party in 1990? Just curious, Bob.

If this coalition gets in,how long will it take Dion to load the senate even further to the left??

People seem to forget that under our system, during an election we don't vote for a government. We elect a member to Parliament. It is up to the House of Commons to select a government within itself as they see fit. It does not have to be the party with the most votes if 50% of the House does not support that party. A coalition is therefore constitutional under our system.

How, exactly, is it undemocratic for a group comprising 52% of the seats and 54% of the votes to depose a group comprising 47% of the seats and 37% of the vote? Isn't democracy rule by the majority?

Think beyond the immediate news, folks.

Canadians Deserve An Election and Must Demand One!

Please write Canada's Governor General, Michaëlle Jean, here: info@gg.ca

The Conservatives will have some wonderful film to use for their adverts for the next election.

I think this is going to really hurt the Libs big time. Just can't see Iggy going along with this, his own career will be on the line.

It's undemocratic because we did not vote for a coalition, fool. Did they campaign as a coalition? In fact, we increased Harper's minority. That should tell you something.

Let them try that during an election and see what happens.

We elect a member to Parliament. It is up to the House of Commons to select a government within itself as they see fit.

Bullshit. That argument would be valid ONLY if members were allowed to vote freely based on the will of their constituents. I would then be able to call up Ujal Dosanjh and tell him to vote against this fiasco and if enough of the other constituents did the same, he'd have to comply. What do you think the chances of that happening are?

"Bob Rae, speaking LIVE on CBC Newsworld stated that, in fact, Harper doesn't have the moral authority to govern because, as Rae put it, "65% of Canadians did not vote for Mr. Harper.""

There are 92 Federal ridings in Western Canada (Manitoba - BC).

21 ridings are help by either Libs of Dippers -that is 23%. 23% Support

so by Boob Rae's logic 77% of Western Canadian ridings will not be represented by The Coalition of the Swilling

Good bye, Canada, Rest in Pieces! (About flippin' time too!)

I am just sick of the thought of Quebec having more VETO power.

Trudeau - Quebec
Trudeau - Quebec
Trudeau - Quebec
Trudeau - Quebec
Clarke - Alberta
Trudeau - Quebec
Turner - Ontario
Mulroney - Quebec
Mulroney - Quebec
Chretien - Quebec
Chretien - Quebec
Chretien - Quebec
Martin - Quebec
Martin - Quebec
Harper - Alberta
(?) Dion Duceppe - Quebec Quebec

Herb - Let me explain this to you like you're four years old. There's a difference between what you can go and what you should do. If you don't know the difference, you'll fit right in with our new "government".

Some pundits are saying that this coalition will be such a disaster that it will deliver Harper a majority.

One problem with that scenario. This coalition of the seccessionists and seditionists has awarded itself a 2.5 year mandate. Once that is finished they will award themselves another

There will be no election and there is no mechanism available to remove them.

a copy and paste for everyone

Subject: Column by Chuck Strahl MP

A Political Crisis?

By Chuck Strahl MP

November 29, 2008

Last week I sent around an update on Canada’s economic situation, with the observation that it wasn’t a very enjoyable subject to write about. Unfortunately, this week it appears that our economic woes are morphing into a political crisis of sorts, at a time when we can least afford it. What’s happening in Ottawa is bordering on the absurd, but its impact would be felt most harshly by Canadians, not political parties. It is potentially a shame of historic proportions.

The Throne Speech I wrote about last week has now been passed. The Opposition Parties apparently had no trouble supporting the direction of the Conservative government, and in fact, they let it pass “on division”, which means they didn’t even want a stand up vote! When the Finance Minister tabled his economic update, though, things got ugly, mostly because the speech made reference to politicians and political parties receiving less from the government coffers. Suddenly, the Liberals and NDP want to form an alternative government, apparently by joining forces in a coalition, and supported by the separatist Bloc Quebecois.

This unholy alliance is trying to paint a different picture, of course. They say they simply want to spend more money to stimulate the economy, but when asked for details, it’s pretty thin gruel. Apparently they’re prepared to take the ‘ready, shoot, aim” approach to spending, and agree to some blank cheques without even knowing what will actually help specific industries, without knowing what Barak Obama has planned, and without working in concert with the other G-20 countries. It is a recipe for a fiscal disaster.

More importantly, it is a democratic disaster. During the campaign, Liberal leader Stephane Dion said he would not and could not have a coalition with the NDP, because their policies would destroy the economy. Apparently that principled position has now gone out the window. Now we have the prospect of the Liberals (with 77 seats) joining with the NDP (with 37 seats) to unseat the democratically elected Conservatives (with 143 seats) . Of course, the only way to do that would be with the support of the separatist Bloc Quebecois, who bring their votes to the table in exchange for their separatist agenda. It is almost beyond belief, but apparently the back room discussions amongst these parties are happening as I write this note.

As I said last week, our Conservative government has been preparing our economy for over a year to weather this world-wide economic storm as best we can. We have brought in almost $200 billion dollars in economic stimulus over a 5 year period, by lowering taxes across the board and in every category. We have freed up billions more by adopting Bank of Canada policies and mortgage protection that have increased the availability of credit and addressed liquidity issues, without costing the taxpayer too much and without risking our country’s core stability. The IMF, the World Economic Forum, the OECD and other international organizations are united in their opinions that Canada is in the best shape of any industrialized nation in the world. Now the left-leaning parties in Parliament are willing to risk it all in order to gain power through the back door, power that was denied to them in a general election.

In order to diffuse this crisis, our government has agreed to separate the political party financing issue from the confidence vote, and we’ll be bringing it back to Parliament in a stand-alone Bill for a vote next year. Whether a person believes the taxpayer should be forced to pay for political party finances will be debated and decided at another time. I’ll be supporting the Bill when it comes to a vote, and we’ll see what happens. For now, Canadians should be appalled that we could be thrown into a democratic and constitutional crisis by an attempt to gain power at any cost, to overthrow the democratically expressed will of the Canadian people, all at a critically important economic time for us all.

I’m uncertain where all of this is going, but it is entirely possible that the Conservatives could lose the confidence of Parliament and be forced into an election within days. You can’t run the government without revenue, and we simply must have the authority to pay the bills and stick to the agenda already approved in the Throne Speech. But it is also entirely possible that the Conservatives could be forced from government by the Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition, if the Governor General agrees. Canada deserves better than either of these options, and we’ll be working hard to keep everyone focused on the economy, jobs, and a sound budgetary plan. We believe Canadians want us to get on with governing. But I just don’t know what will happen, and I share Canadian’s shock and anger that we’re teetering on this abyss at this critical time.

The vote to bring down the government will now take place on December 8th, so Canadians have a week or so to express themselves before that critical moment. I urge everyone to write a letter-to-the editor, call a radio talk show, circulate this article (or others) through their own email list, and contact political parties with their opinion. A strong grassroots reaction may be the only thing that stands between us and a Prime Minister Stephane Dion and Finance Minister Jack Layton.

Harper -- Toronto boy

"When the NDP show up to form a coalition with the Liberals, you're supposed to pray for an asteroid, not pick a favourite."

LOL!

About those CBC comments. We should lock-in on a sensible comment and then "recommend" it until it reaches the top of the heap of garbage that always seems to pile up.

For example, the opposition is clamouring for a stimulus package despite our GDP growing in the last quarter. How stupid is that?

Bob Rae continues to make the rounds, justifying this coup d'état for anyone who will listen, using the minority gov't elected in Ontario in 1985 as his ammunition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_general_election,_1985

There's a HUGE difference between the seat distribution for the elected PC minority gov't and the Liberal Party in 1985 and what's unfolding here. The seat distribution map of the legislature at that time shows what an absolute crock it is for him to have the audacity to compare the two. A 3 seat difference, BOB, between the Tory gov't-elect and the Opposition Liberals. Nice try!

A Liberal party that won a paltry 77 seats, a whopping 66 seats less than the CPoC, with a lame duck leader whose policies as well as he himself having been resoundingly rejected by Canadians, the worst showing for the LPoC since confederation, set to become the PM of Canada.... and chosen NOT by the people, but in a backroom, with Ignatieff, Rae and LeBlanc having been so generous as to emerge from that backroom to tell millions of Canadians who the leader of our country will be. How big of them. How democratic of them. This is nothing short of criminal.

"65% of Canadians did not vote for Mr. Harper."

Actually, the only people who could vote for Mr. Harper reside in the riding of Calgary Southwest but I'll play Rae's game anyway:

74% did not vote for Mr. Dion
83% did not vote for Mr. Layton
90% did not vote for Mr. Duceppe

and most tellingly, 100% did not vote for a coalition of the above three.

If there is such presumed support for a coalition, let the GG dissolve Parliament and let's have an election between the CPC and the coalition. That's it - two, and only two, choices on the ballot.

Herb - Let me explain this to you like you're four years old. There's a difference between what you can go and what you should do. If you don't know the difference, you'll fit right in with our new "government".

The old saying says there is a little corner of foolishness in the mind of even the smartest man.

So if the French citizen Dion was to actually become the PM of Canada after all of this, I'm betting that he would not resign easily just to let the wussy Toronto Liberal Mafia take over the Crooked Liberal Party du Quebec.
After all it is his baby.

Bob Rae continues to make the rounds, justifying this coup d'état for anyone who will listen, using the minority gov't elected in Ontario in 1985 as his ammunition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_general_election,_1985

There's a HUGE difference between the seat distribution for the elected PC minority gov't and the Liberal Party in 1985 and what's unfolding here. The seat distribution map of the legislature at that time shows what an absolute crock it is for him to have the audacity to compare the two. A 3 seat difference, BOB, between the Tory gov't-elect and the Opposition Liberals. Nice try!

A Liberal party that won a paltry 77 seats, a whopping 66 seats less than the CPoC, with a lame duck leader whose policies as well as he himself having been resoundingly rejected by Canadians, the worst showing for the LPoC since confederation, set to become the PM of Canada.... and chosen NOT by the people, but in a backroom, with Ignatieff, Rae and LeBlanc having been so generous as to emerge from that backroom to tell millions of Canadians who the leader of our country will be. How big of them. How democratic of them. This is nothing short of criminal.

Sorry for the double post. An error was indicated the first time.

Let me get this straight---the opposition are angry because the gov`t has not gone on a massive spending spree, thereby triggering a large deficit. Is that what voters want?

The phone # for Rideau Hall is 1 800 465 6890.
The email for the gg is info@gg.ca

Get to work folks. I am on hold even as I type this. And next, I am going to fire off an email.

Another CTV poll goes horribly wrong.

An NDP-Liberal coalition would:

Reflect the will of the people
4031 votes (27 %)

Be nothing more than a power grab
11152 votes (73 %)

Total Votes: 15183

The Faust coalition train leaving the rails in an astounding fashion.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North

Duffy, l ian macdonald are saying the PM needs to Porogue in order to come back with a Budget that will force the Opposition to Vote on that & not a economic statement.

The phone # for Rideau Hall is 1 800 465 6890.
The email for the gg is info@gg.ca

Get to work folks. I am on hold even as I type this. And next, I am going to fire off an email.

Hans, you should start your own blog, you come up with some real gems sometimes.

kate - please provide the link to Rally For Canada, so that as many people as possible will go to these rallies.

Also, write to the gg and urge her not to make the untenable decision of allowing an unelected cabal to take office as the govt. We didn't elect any of these three parties as our govt, and we most certainly did not elect a coalition.

And write to all the MPs.

Imagine a situation - where a separatist party, whose members are outside the accountability of the majority of the Canadian electorate, is being put in the position of allowing/not allowing ALL actions of govt in Canada. Putting Quebec alone in charge of Canada. The rest of the electorate has no vote in this government.

The small weasel of a man called Layton in cohoots with Duceppe were plotting this prior to the economic update. How could that have anything to do with what was in that update? The Liberals under a half-assed, lame duck leader is a willing dupe for power, nothing more.

These Bastards care nothing for the country. They're crashing the stock markets, no matter. Putting us in an uncertain future in uncertain times, no matter, it's all for power, nothing more.
Duceppe, a Separatist will call the shots with the balance of power, they can't do without his support and he only cares about what's in it for Quebec.

Surely people have to realize the danger in having a Separatist on the inside of government and with the information available to him and havoc he could wreck upon the country. This is a dream come true for him, Separation will be back on the front burner.

This is a war, it may not be civil either, we cannot let this happen. We must take to the streets in masses if there's anymore of this outrageous Banana Republic takeover of our elected government.

William...Most Toronto and Quebec voters,and isn't that all that matters?

Why would it be necessary for Canada to have an "economic stimulus package" right now? Reports are that our GDP grew last year and Canada is considered to be one of the (if not the most stable economy). It sounds to me as if Obamamania has infiltrated the country and the liberals and NDP are jealous and want to try their hands at this form of socialism.

I just got off the phone with my broker. I've sold my stocks with the most exposure to the Canadian market.

I urge everyone else to do the same.

If we are not going to be allowed to vote against this coalition politically, at least we can vote against it economically.

@ Kathryn (4:09)

Let's go one step further, shall we? Didn't something like only 15% of the country think that Dion would be the best PM, 2 1/2 times less than Harper and about half as many as Layton?

"It sounds to me as if Obamamania has infiltrated the country and the liberals and NDP are jealous and want to try their hands at this form of socialism."

Violet,

I think you are correct. In some perverse sense of logic the Libs and the NDP must somehow believe that there will be some type of orgasmic euphoria if they think "working" with or be in some type of same mindset with Obama.

I'll be quite blunt here, the leftoid SOB's who claim that Harper is a dictator have failed to realize that a dictator usually employs guns to maintain power. Have people disappear. And these types of dictators have one thing in common. The same Marxist/Socialist dogma entrenched in their minds. The same dogma that Jack, Gilles and probably Dion believe in.

If these three SOB's claim to represent the majority of the Canadian people, then form a political party and go to the polls.

Somebody is desperate for power, and what the under lying reason is not clear. This movement to over throw the government, is not done for the love of county that is for sure.

Dion being an interm PM is perfect...he won't be around long enough to get any blame if there is any, and the Liberals will get their house in order before the next election. And we'll get a consensus government instead of a government whose sole purpose is to get in power and stay in power.

Oh, the TSX was over 15000 last year and it dropped to 7600 a couple of weeks ago. Harper was in charge the whole time...what does that say about market confidence in his leadership abilities?

"Oh, that's different...look, Dion, adscam, liberals, socialists"

Stephen Harper...not a leader.

"If we are not going to be allowed to vote against this coalition politically, at least we can vote against it economically."

Umm, you're voting against Canadian companies by taking your money out of the market. The socialist swine will only interpret further economic turmoil as further evidence they're needed.

The TSX has had its largest drop in history.

I admit that I was completely wrong on this front. Anyhow, take a look at the comments on that link. One fellow had the audacity to say about the drop, "Who cares?!" But being a CBC Kool Aid dufus, he couldn't even get the tense correct!

I've got a comment up at Free to Choose

I just told my office manager to close our business account with the Bank of Montreal and open one with the Alberta Treasury Branch. I'll be moving my personal accounts as well and trying to find a home for my RRSP portfolio as well.
I'll be sure to let the people I deal with the reason why.
I refuse to have any of my money down east.
Any other way I can think of, I will do. I have no other say except what I do with my money.
My daughter's cell phone plan with Bell will follow.

I would love to see someone post other financial steps that we can take to move our money west.

From the CTV website: "CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife reported earlier Monday that a high-profile, four-person economic panel would guide a Liberal-NDP coalition government on finance matters. The group would comprise Frank McKenna, Paul Martin, John Manley and Roy Romanow. "This is a way to assure Canadians the economy would be managed properly," Fife told CTV Newsnet. The panel of "wise men" would help the new government navigate the current global economic turbulence, he said."

I also saw Fife report this on television today, and he added that this group of "wise men" would be formed to reassure Canadians that the coalition of national disunity wouldn't do anything economically "reckless." Then, without any apparent sense of irony, the CTV article continues, just as Fife's report on television did:

"Fife also reported that the coalition government would introduce a $30-billion economic stimulus package and roll back $50 billion in planned corporate tax cuts."

All this on a day that we learned the economy grew -- grew -- 1.3% in the June-Sept. quarter, and the TSX fell 8%.

molarmauler, here:

http://www.cwbank.com/branches/alberta.htm

"...Canadians will be asking themselves Why should I vote When you have such deals being made Hours After the Election."
---bryanr

True.

and unfortunately the MSM will brainwash people into believing the coalition gang are poor little victims of big bad Harper and they had no choice...

result; many Canadians will be angry at the conservatives instead of at the real culprit...

You know just as the MSM has managed to brainwash people into believing it was not Democrats who caused the Sub-prime financial "meltdown" it was big bad Bush...

I hate the fact the MSM has the power to brainwash, disinform, and influence elections etc....

The hell with western separation, I'm moving to Quebec where all the ezee money is soon to be... doled out on a first come first served basis... while supplies last.

So, "Gilles Duceppe will have veto power over every single bill put forward by the coaltion" is the pay-off for the Bloc accepting Dion as leader of this coalition despite the fact that he is reviled by them for his work on the Clarity Act. The rest of Canada better get used to bending over!

Lets see..
Harper tried to cancel political parties from being at the public trough.
He wants to stop public service strikes till the economy rebounds.
He wants to be frugal and not blow billions on a economic package for a country that's doing quite well, thank-you very much.
He's being lambased for not negotiating with the opposition over these policies.
These policies are exactly what the voter put him there to do.
We already knew the opposition was against such common sense.
I guess when the media says he isn't getting along, they really mean he's not governing as the left wing opposition would.

Molarmauler, if this coalition ends up in power, we can snap our wallets shut and keep them shut, to choke off as much GST revenue as possible. Voluntarily suspend all non-essential purchases. This will leverage provincial governments in the east as well, as they will enjoy a drop in PST revenues.

grok: "Geez, make up your mind lefties. When he leads, you call him a dictator and want him to compromise. When he compromises and tries to incorporate the opposition's demands, you sh!t all over him for that, too."

That's why PMSH seemed to be going for broke with his proposed motion last week. The Opposition has made governing for the CPC like having to dual with a blindfold on, with both hands bound at the wrist, and both feet bound at the ankles. The Liberals, NDP, and Bloc are nasty bullies, empowered by the favour they find in the MSM.

They care nothing about the Canadian electorate, as is plain in this stunt they're trying to pull. I'm watching Dion live (puke) and he insists that he and the coalition are putting "the interests of all Canadians" first and foremost.

What a lie! These guys are delusional. Canada needs a "strong, effective, and responsible government" bleats Taliban Jack. Like he and the other stooges can deliver that. Canada down the Rabbit Hole.

grok: "The opposition is either insane, childish, or simply mad for power. Which is it?"

All of the above.

God help Canada. We're in the hands of unprincipled, power hungry madmen.

Canada died 28 June 2004 when it elected a known thief. This BS is just the funeral.
Up the Republic of Western Canada.

lberia- the stock market drops/rises are related to the global financial infrastructure, not to the Canadian PM. Heh - you sure don't know much about the financial market, do you?

The Liberals are the party that is focused only on power - remember Adscam, remember Chretien and his machinations, remember the Liberal setting up of immigrants into balkanized blocs of dependent voters?

And if you think that the Liberals/NDP have any interest in Canada or Canadians, and are not interested in power - then, you are really 'out to lunch'. Backroom deals that ignore the will of the electorate are third world strategies, not the tactics of a democracy.

And to have a govt totally dependent on the veto of a political party, the Bloc, whose members are out of the control of over 80% of the electorate - if you think that's not a powergrab and is a sign of a democratic country - well, what can I say.

The phone # for Rideau Hall is 1 800 465 6890.

It's busy.

I wonder how many of us will be able to get through.

Those of us who are self employed have the option of showing what we think about this troika of traitors by withholding tax payments. If only a few people do this they will get screwed but if a substantial fraction of self-employed individuals refuse to pay their tax installments there is no way the tax department can go after all of them. I'm seriously thinking of doing this for the December installment. Anyone else interested?

I'm thinking more and more....

This move may give Harper the majority he needs... eventually...

Just listening to the three stooges' press conference. Layton is telling Harper that they have every intention of bringing the government down at the first opportunity. I say Harper gives it to them. Make the party funding issue a single topic money bill and then let the opposition pull the trigger. Imagine the outrage from the voters...

lberia, aka Lavrenti Beria.

Stalin's pervert, psychotic:

Lavrenti Beria Executed: December 23rd, 1953
LAVRENTI PAVLOVICH Beria was a Georgian, like Stalin, who called him 'my Himmler '. ... who was shot on Stalin's orders, apparently at Beria's prompting. ...
www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&se=gglsc&d=5002061094

Stephane Dion just said in French that "we offer another opportunity to Canadians".

Okay, let's have a vote to confirm your "opportunity", Mr. Dion.

WE DEMAND ANOTHER ELECTION!!!

Did you hear Duceppe?

NEP II on thae way 1990 targets. This will kill Nova Scotia, but is far worse on Sak and Alberta.

Godspeed west, go for the good of the country!

Those on the left opposed to PM Harper often ( as here ) constantly refer to him as a bully ... funny ... I seem to remember Chretien being the real bully , but that is never mentioned.

I'm so frickin mad I could spit....we need to flood every MP's in box with letters...John Gormley Live has posted a link with every MP's email...here
http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/MainMPsCompleteList.aspx?TimePeriod=Current&Language=E

In other words what the coalition gang is saying is,

" We don't want your $1.95, we want total control of the country "

batb - email the gg and everyone else.
info@gg.ca

What we must realize is that this coup is not the result of anything Harper did; any financial Motion would have done the trick. Layton and the Bloc - and Libs - have been planning this for months. The agenda was to vote down a financial measure - any financial measure - and insert a 'coalition'. Without going to the electorate; without a vote.

And, setting up the Bloc, a party out of the reach of over 80% of the electorate, with total vetting power.

This isn't democracy; this is a blatant thuggish power grab - based on backroom promises of cabinet positions, millions of money being offered to special interest groups and so on.

This also has nothing to do with our economy; there is nothing in this agenda that has to do with the economy. Instead, Layton, the Bloc and the Liberals - set it up as their strategy of gaining power.

Again, the tactic was to vote down a financial measure; any one would do - as long as it was financial. Then, insist that a Coalition ought to take over. That's the coup. An open slitting of the throat of democracy. An arrogant rejection of the electorate.

Rae's, Layton's and the rest's bleating that this coalition IS a majority because the NDP, Liberals and Bloc represent over 60% of the population is a specious and insulting argument. We didn't vote for a SET of these three parties. We voted for only ONE party.

Imagine what this is doing - setting up a precedent where ANY time a budget is put forth, the opposition will, to gain power, defeat it and insist that it, along with a few of its cohort friends, be made the new govt. Without an election. Incredible - the arrogance, the utter arrogance of these people and the disdain for democracy.

Anyone listening to the three stooges on National TV about to be taking over the government of Stephen Harper, we the people chose to run the ship of state? My God in Heaven, we are in trouble if this is permitted to happen.

Brian says "Those on the left opposed to PM Harper often ( as here ) constantly refer to him as a bully ... funny ... I seem to remember Chretien being the real bully , but that is never mentioned."

Right you are. In fact, they refer to that creep in hallowed tones as "a street fighter". There is no bigger bully in Canada than Chretien. Remember the picture of him throttling that demonstrator? Chretien and the Liberals in general are scum.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM......

Maybe this is why certain leaders were calling for a fiscal update ASAP?

Here's a question I'd love to hear the corrupt MSM ask Le Cabal de Trois but I don't expect they ever will:

"You have no mandate from the People of Canada to move forth with your mandate to spend $30 Billion. Is it not your democratic responsibility to go to the people to get their mandate and confidence?"

John - That is an insult to scum everywhere. These guys are lower than that which feeds upon scum.

This has revealed several things.

This is all about the $1.95. Nothing else. Whatever they say is irrelevant; it's about the political subsidy. Period.

The opposition will complain that Harper is spending too much money and not enough money all in the same breath.

They are DESPERATE for power, and are incensed that they don't have it and that Canadians for reasons unfathomable to them did not choose them to be the One Governing Party of Canada.

They know no shame in twisting and spinning anything to their perspective. They wanted Harper to be more compromising, and so he backed off on several issues. Did that appease them? Nope. Last month they said Harper was spending too much money, now he's not spending enough. They say the economy is in crisis, but there is no economic data to suggest that yet.

This is how civil wars get started.

I wonder what Danny Williams is now thinking that all off shore drilling will halt.

Brian...He was warmly known as the Shawinigin strangler by the media.

I wonder what Danny Williams is now thinking that all off shore drilling will be halt.

An "absolute cap & trade system" in concert with Barack Obama is a certainty. Take that Alberta & Saskatchewan!!!

THE PEOPLE OF CANADA DESERVE & DEMAND AN ELECTION!

If Taliban Jack has his say on Afghanistan, Canada will suffer it's first military defeat in its history, much like the US 'defeat' in Vietnam (and for the same reason). I wonder how many years (decades?) it will take us to recover from this disastrous defeat. Will it take a Canadian 'Reagan' to help us recover our national pride?

Here's an interesting thought. This is going to end up in the hands of a former CBC employee whose husband is, at the very least, a Quebec separatist sympathizer. I dont' much like Stephen Harper's chances at convincing the GG to call Canadians to the polls.

Support for Western separatism is on the rise!

Ah yes, CTV already changed their question of the day.

As for the idiot Duncy Danny Williams, he will rue the day that he decided to wage his ABC campaign in the last election.

If the corporate tax cuts set to kick in next year are to remain in effect as part of the Lib-NDP coalition government then what, pray tell, does Layton get out of this deal besides 6 cabinet ministers? There's got to be more in it for him in this power grab. And where is the $30 billion supposed to come from if not for the tax cut roll back he campaigned for to fund all of his election promises? An increase in the GST? Downloading to the provinces (a distinct possibility with Paul Martin as one of the 4 economic advisers)? Too many questions with too few answers.

This entire thing is a FARCE! A new PM telling reporters that he will resign before he offically takes power. Iggy and Rae saying, in effect, that Harper has to go and that he should be replaced by a guy who has to go.

What follows is what I posted today at Warren Kinsella's site - he screens his comments so I thought I would put iot up here as well:

Warren:

I think you had an inkling (or more)that this coalition was being plotted well before last week.

We have tape of the NDs and BQ plotting well in advance. And that Stephen Harper knew of the plot. SH came out with an aggressive stance so as toi give him room to retreat and thus make it harder for the oppo parties to claim that the CP was being unconciliatory.

The professed motive for the coalition is a ruse, The CP could have promised the moon and the stars and they still would have gone ahead with the plot.

I am heartened by the majority of posters here saying that the coalition is a very bad idea - perhaps liberals who support it should think twice.

...

Here are some things that look to be a part of the deal - consider what these will do to the LP long-term especially points west of the Ottawa river outside of hyper-urban Toronto:

1. Gilles Duceppe is to be given executive control of the whole show as he will have veto power over every bill put forward.

2. Brison has stated that the scheduled corporate tax reduction - a piece of legislation passed by the liberals under Paul Martin - will be cancelled immediately. Presumably this was a price demanded by the NDs and the BQ.

3. The green shift is a go. This is Dion's price - his revenge - on the CP for beating him - for going a long with the coalition and allowing the leadership to be given to someone else in thew spring. The impact on the LP and ND in western Canada will be devastation - a Gobi desert for generations to come - think in terms of a post-civil war mason-dixon line that runs north/south.

4. Restoration of equalization to the originally scheduled rates. In the next few years this could mean anywhere from 5 to 10 billion more annually taken from Alberta and Sask and BC and sent to points east.

5. 18 LP-friendly (to put it mildly) senators will be almost immediately be appointed.

...

And the TSX had its worst single day today since the '87 crash.

Bob Rae looks to have been instrumental in cobbling together the deal. He was also involved in the last coalition of this type in Canada - the Rae/Peterson deal. and we know how that ended for the LP and the NDs.

...

I think that within the week the CP will pro-rogue parliament until January to allow all side to take stack and engage in somee sober second-thought. During that month you can expect an onslaught of protests against ND and LP MPs in ridings that were won by thin margins. The CP will in effect be saving the LP from itself and perhaps the country as we know it in the process.

slevine re the stimulus pkg: "That could come later this week." So you think it would be quite all right to just hastily throw this together without much planning (there has not even been that much time to plan since the election when the whole issue first cropped up!) and before we have a sense of the direction in which the Americans are going. Yes, it is about humiliating Stephen Harper who saught to crush the opposition -- that is exactly the game being played on BOTH sides. Noone looks good here. The next question should be what will be best for the country. I do not think that a coalition government with the Bloc holding a balance of power is somehow it. Intersting isnt't it how this whole new government will be pretty Toronto/Quebec centric. I think this is asking for serious trouble. Better to go to an election and let the voters decide -- yet again.

Great comment from the NP:

"If people think another $270 million election is unconscionable they should think again. It would be a bargain if it put a stop to this farce."

Let's be serious.

While, as a reluctant Western separatist, I cannot say that I'm surprised by this turn of events, I also am a realist.

Westerners, and Albertans in particular, will do nothing to try and send a message to the Troika and Central Canadians who support it.  We will do what we've done for the last three decades or so — bitch, whine, moan and complain, instead of starting the hard work of laying the political, social and economic infrastructure necessary to carry out political separation from the RoC.  We already know what needs to be done, and in fact we have a political / administrative structure in place (the provincial government of Alberta) which could do these things in relatively short order — say, a year — if it put its collective mind to it, but we won't.  We even have a formula (the federal Clarity Act) which tells us, in broad outline, how to proceed.  But we won't.

Sorry, folks, but we've been rogered good 'n hard here, and we're gonna bend over and take it, just like we always do.  In the end, there are too many people out West who are too frightened to proceed.  Like the abused wife, we can't possibly leave the marriage, because we always have an excuse for why we should stick around and take more abuse.

Garth

Many of these politicians should be considered pollution. Maybe there should be a cap and trade on MP's. Given the current population spread with BC and Alberta having a greater population than Quebec, what would the distribution of MP's be? Looking forward to the next election...

I think maybe we should burn a few blue flags to get the seperation ball rolling

"The stock market drops/rises are related to the global financial infrastructure, not to the Canadian PM."

ET, why don't you email Kate and let her know. And get your sarcasm detector fixed while your at it.

Harper is the author of his own misfortune. He thought that he could financially cripple the opposition parties and get away with it. So much for his promise of being conciliatory and working with the opposition. Regardless of what happens next, he is going to pay for this blunder. Still, better a coalition that understands positive compromise than an arrogant minority that can't spell the word.

Stephen Harper...not a leader.

I've just watched (as much as I can stomach) the "big" news conference with Steffie soaking in the second coming aura and still mangling both languages, Taliban Jack calling on Mr Harper to do the right thing and the separatist blabbing about better for Quebec. Never have politicians made me so sick as to almost hurl. The shear arrogance that the trois amigos can come up with a plan that has obviously failed the rest of the economic world, is a wonder to behold.

Serious question: how can I get my RRSPs out of Canada without paying an arm and a leg? If the opposition want to act like a banana boat republic then I might as well go to one... less snow to shovel.

Lavrenti Beria! A leader for our times! STFU, idiot!

I miss the good old days of the Rhino party, at least they KNEW they were a JOKE....unlike the 3 stooges!!

Will Alberta have to bend over so far with regards to equalization payments? The Alberta Government has a tried and tested method of giving its wealth to where it belongs - Albertans - rather than send it elsewhere and which can now be implemented quickly if necessary: remember the $400.00 Ralph bucks? Maybe there are things the West can do independently like pay Albertans first as suggested above, don't buy products from anti-conservative MP held ridings, etc. or am I missing something?

Well I think I still have my Alberta Sepratist Party membership somewhere amongst the piles of paper on my desk... If the three stooges form their coalition, I guess I'm going to have to figure out where the bloody card is.

I vote to porogue.
Come back and present the real budget.
The Opposition votes it down.

Call an election.
Then we'll see how many people really agree with cutting the $1.95 voter subsidy to the Liars and Thieves parties.

Git'er done, once and for all.

If Liberals get back in, the West is GONE and FREE forever.
No more piggy bank to Ottawa.

may eastern canada burn in hell

These fools don't realize they are taking our country to the brink. It is obvious that the Libs, Bloc and NDP have been plotting this for months. If they think what the Tories have done is so bad, they should force an election and campaign as a coalition. Let the people decide.

On the other hand, if these idiots succeed in staging their coup d'état, I will resign my commission in the CF and work actively in support of western secession.

Iberia: "Harper is the author of his own misfortune. He thought that he could financially cripple the opposition parties and get away with it."

Thank you for acknowledging that this has everything to do with the cancellation of the $1.95 per/voter subsidy and nothing to do with a supposed lack of fiscal stimulus. At least you're honest about it.

Could someone with the e-mail addresses at their fingertips post all of the addresses of the government personnel we should be e-mailing about our outrage at this hijacking of democracy?

I've e-mailed Michaelle Jean.

I have to say, she looked a little too smug in the HOC during the Throne Speech. I think these shysters have been in cahoots for a long time, all back room stuff, all smug, cat that swallowed the canary ... as they take Canada down the slippery slope faster than greased lightning.

I catch a whiff of Power Corp/Demarais/Maurice Strong and it's not too savoury. 'Only a few years left for Kyoto to be ratified and if it's not ... no $$$$ for China, where the ex-Liberals are hanging out, hoping to make big profits from their Chinese portfolios.

Did you hear who may be getting a Senate seat? Ellie May! And about all the "women's programs" that will be resurrected: NAC, LEAF, etc. And these clowns have the NERVE to accuse PMSH and his party of spending too much money????

Canadian democracy is being hijacked by the Three Stooges. GOD'S TEETH!!

CTV is now reporting there is a signed, 18-month coalition agreement. I don't think there's any way the GG will refuse to go along with this.

It's over.

RIP Canada. To the Albertans reading this board: Go. In the name of God, go! Save yourselves!

This is the result of strategic voting. If this manage-a-trois assumes power this country will embark on the road to hell. The stock market slump experienced today will pale in comparison by what we can expect for the next ten years. I've often said that Canada under the Liberals was a "benign" Communist state, if they are allowed to steal democracy you can bet the last election will have been Canada's last taste of democracy. Once they are in power there will be nothing to stop them from 'suspending' elections for the common good. We're seeing history starting to repeat itself, remeber the Fascist Thirties!

Goodness gracious, Iberia you said,"He thought that he could financially cripple the opposition parties and get away with it." This is so patently stupid, I am surprised you would utter it, considering you have been posting on SDA for literally years now. The Libs, NDP, and the Bloc brought about their own financial woes by failing to assemble a palatable package that individuals would support with their wallets!

This is by far and away the best reason to pull public funding of political parties. Let them die the death they deservedly brought upon themselves.

(And lest we forget, Iberia, when this welfare for parties was brought in it was called the "incumbent re-election fund." It served the Liberals well for a short time when they were in power, until they became so utterly unpopular with liberal supporters themselves that private funding dried up. A pig is a pig by any other name.)

"Harper is the author of his own misfortune. He thought that he could financially cripple the opposition parties and get away with it."

FOR G*D'S SAKE. Who financially crippled the Opposition parties????? Their own "supporters," who couldn't even cough up $1.95 for the Librano$, Dippers, and Blockheads.

These would be the same narcissists who order Frapuccinos at their local Starbucks for over $4.00 a pop. (BTW, I don't drink Starbucks, so I'm not too sure of the exact prices of their conconctions. I do know that they call their "small" coffees, "tall." Liars.)

But, no doubt about it: This palace coup is ALL about public monies continuing to prop up Canada's political parties. The lefties always expect others to pay their way. It's cheaper that way.

Unless I missed it, why have I not heard anything about the NDP's "hidden agenda". Seems this back room deal was considered long ago.

Things could be worse. Lizzy Mao could've been named Environment Minister in this cabal, had she won her seat.

On another note, a constitutional expert on Newman stated that it should not be dismissed that the GG could call for new elections (fat chance! I know). However, if that was to happen, what's the plan for the opposition? We no it wouldn't effect the Bloc, but what of the NDP and Liberlas? Would they run separately as they always have? Would the NDP fold into the Liberal party? How would that happen? What's the procedure on such quick notice? Does the NDP constitution state in this regard? Would the Libs and NDP not run against each other in certain ridings? If so, which? Who decides? Who would lead the Liberals? What would this do to next year's leadership race?

So many questions, so few answers.

Hopefully the GG will come to her sense and will not allow this cabal to seize power without consent from the Canadian people. Just think of what an exciting election camapign it would be.

Actually, this is a nice precedent. The Riders didn't win the Grey Cup, but if we combined our wins with the Alouettes and Blue Bombers, we could take claim to the title.

DEAN!!! Youdaman! LOL!

cryptic cynic: "The Alberta Government has a tried and tested method of giving its wealth to where it belongs"

This isn't where you were going but it brings something to mind - income taxes are sent to Ottawa and then the provincial portion is sent back, except, IIRC, Quebec where they collect it and then send some to Ottawa. Can we pressure our provincial governments to get the same deal as Quebec? Keeping as much money out of Ottawa's hands for as long as possible can only be a Good Thing.

So, the cabal say that they have a signed 18 month agreement.

Note: this agreement is a backroom deal and has not been ratified by the electorate. Is Canada a democracy or an oligarchy run by thugs?

Note also: this agreement, which states that it is valid for 18 months, effectively means that decision-making will not be on the nature of Motions, ie, on their goodness/badness; on the results of any debate in the House. No. The decisions are already made; whatever the Liberal-NDP propose, the Bloc will support it. No matter what.
Is this a democracy?

Again, a party that is out of the electoral reach of over 80% of Canadians, is given the role of supporting any and all decisions of the Lib-NDP. No debate will have any effect. Nothing will have any effect. Whatever the Lib-NDP want to do - will be supported by the Bloc.

And, this Lib-NDP coalition was not agreed to by the electorate. It was never mentioned to the electorate, who voted, not for a coalition, but for separate parties.

Is Canada a democracy? Not to Jack Layton, Dion, Ignatieff, Rae, LeBlanc and Duceppe. They are the BackRoom Boys who want to take power away from the people.

a $30-billion economic stimulus package.

Consulting fees for the advisory group comprise of Frank McKenna, Paul Martin, John Manley and Roy Romanow?

The west just got the trudeau salute again,but many,many times worse. If this coalition goes through,Alberta and Sask. who voted for 40 conservatives out of a possible 42 will end up with Ralph Goodale as our voice,and a NDP newbie with no experience. No frigging way we should roll over and get raped by these shysters. I have written the GG with my concerns about this and urge everyone else to also.

Once more:

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION

Why should we pay taxes to a government that can only function with the support of a separatist party (Bloc) that we can neither vote for or against?

Amazing. I used to scoff at Western separatism. No I think it's the only solution.

Amazing. I used to scoff at Western separatism. No I think it's the only solution.

I wonder if Harper can skip all this nonsense and ask the G-G to dissolve parliament and call another election?
Not that she has to grant the request mind you.
30 Billion to stimulate what exactly,I wonder?

Seems to me that the MSM are in bed with this "sad" group as well.
There is a big conspiracy going on and we all better be aware of it.

Here is a link to e-mail addresses for MPs.http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/MainMPsCompleteList.aspx?TimePeriod=Current&Language=E

What I would like to see is [at least] the 3 most Western premiers hold a joint press conference and say, "We recognize that our country has hit a constitutional brick wall. But we adamantly oppose the idea of a transfer of power occurring in this way. So we respectfully request that the Governor General let the people of Canada decide which path this country takes. It is too important to do otherwise."

Do you think they might do this?

No

I would hope so,Robert W. That shithole Brison is on TV right now saying that this coalition will put people before politics,except their votes won't count anymore. I guess this $30 billion stimulus won't put us in a deficit either.

We should also be emailing Danny Millions and say thanks. He could well have been the tipping point for this coup with his ill thought out hissy fit. Had he shut his egotistical big mouth and let the federal election run its course, PMSH could well have the majority he deserved.
I have some good Nfld friends here in Ab but I hope Danny rots in he**. Hope the new coalition treats you well Danny boy.

I think we need to keep in mind that 'electing' a Prime Minister is not akin to electing a president or even a king. Perhaps you should brush up on how it is a parliamentary democracy actually works - I do not understand how what is going can be so shocking to the morals of a rational person or even be construed as illegal. Two-thirds of the population did not vote for Harper or the CPC and if those two-thirds should choose to speak up in parliament, so be it - it is within their rights to do so. If Harper were to cling on to power at the expense of parliamentary progress (by which I mean proroguing parliament), it would indeed be the only un-democractic action in this whole debacle.

Also, does anyone remember Harper seeking a similar action when he was in the opposition?...Irony.

I must congratulate ET, you called two events bang on:

- when Dion was elected LPC Leader you said he would tax the west and give it to Quebec and Ont - ie - the Green Shift

- as the election results of last month unfolded, you said the reason Dion didn't resign outright is he wanted to take one more crack at the PM job - hence, the coalition

This measure is without support from Canadians, if any straw polls are indicative (BTW, they are just as indicative as arguments like 62% of Canadian voted "against" Harper). The only one I could find that gives majority to the idea of coalition was question as to whether or not GG had authority to grant coalition request - we already knew she did anyway.

As Norman Spector has rightfully pointed out, the GG is under to obligation to do anything. Her range of options is full - from disollution to granting coalition wishes, to doing nothing or telling parliamentarians to try to work out their differences.

Harper must immediately request meeting with President Obama within a day or two of his inauguration (22 Jan 09?), as preparation for his budget in late Jan 09. This is necessary to coordinate the US response to the US auto industry bailout, given our cooperation under the Auto Pact. Action is that area would be very irresponsible without US cooperation and coordination.

So, Harper WILL prorogue parliament until then. As far as the howling, ET is right, this coalition coup has been planned from day one, involves an unprecedented minority coalition which disenfranchises residents of 9 of ten provinces plus the territories. All financial legislation decisions would require the approval of a party which refuses to/cannot run candidates outside Quebec.

From now on, if coalition succeeds, minority governments can be automatically invalidated. It means parties can say they won't have coalition during election campaign, change their minds, and have GG appoint a PM who was the last choice of Canadians during the actual election, whether the voters like it or not.

On almost any level, this seems unlikely to happen, but momentum is building, and Canadians will find out, too late, that their decision, under our system of government, has been disregarded.

I say so be it then, and let the chips fall where they may. Here are two indisputable outcomes: First, Quebecers may now vote for a sovereigntist party, secure in the knowledge they will have full control over the affairs of state for all Canadians. Second, westerners will feel they've been bitch slapped, they will be told how to handle their affairs, such as oilsands production, with no recourse but to pay $billions. That will undoubtably sow the seeds of western separation, make no mistake about that.

Oh, BTW, is the only argument against necessity of election is its cost. Hmm, wouldn't government and other parties be spending money on signs, jobs for workers such as returning officers, and offering goodies. Surely that would be stimulative ne c'est pas?

Our default position has always been stable governments, even in minority, with elections to decide. Coalition proponents would have us believe the exception is the rule, even though, while we've had minority governments and coalitions, we've never had one where the coalition was in minority, and appointed without election.

The last time GG refused to dissolve parliament, it was in response to request of PM who had just LOST the federal election (no not be adding up those votes that didn't go for Harper, and assuming they support coalition). If 10% of Liberal voters would have been swayed by coalition platform (which was explicitly rejected by Mr Dion himself), that would likely have resulted in Harper majority.

I know, facts don't matter anymore. Pure emotion, pure drama is the order of the day. BTW, this make nice with coalition is nonsense; they have been at war with Harper since day one and clearly have never accepted the results of the last election. So this is war - to paraphrase Scott "Beer and Popcorn" Reid, Conservatives must kill the coalition, period.

Use whatever means are necessary within our constitution Mr Harper - prorogue, approach GG ex parte to get sense of what she is thinking, block coalition procedurally at every turn. Force the coalition to take their proposals and platform to the people in a general election. Take the GG to court if you have to.

This is war. You must win. Do everything in your purview to stop one of the most unpopular Canadian political leaders in our history from becoming PM without benefit of election.

The day we decide who are leaders are, in direct repudiation of their election campaign statements, to be given the reins of government by partisan appointed GG, I, and many others, will want out.

Don't worry, we will rely on elections, not procedural tricks.

This just in from the Garlic News (Onion was taken): Caesar Chavez is reportedly writing to governor General Jean demanding to be invited to the coalition too.

There's a tear in my beer
'cause I'm crying for you dear,
Canada as we knew it.

I haven't worn the maple leaf on my shoulder
(besides my tattoo) in over 15-20 year but sign me up for Plains of Abraham, Part Deux. I don't have a M-16 or C-7 but a Lee-Enfield would probably do.
Damn the poutine, full speed ahead. Forget about Labatt's and Molson. They've sold out their canadian soul.

If I convert my RRSPs into gold bouillon then I could pour my keel with it and sail out of this circus.

I think we need to keep in mind that 'electing' a Prime Minister is not akin to electing a president or even a king. Perhaps you should brush up on how it is a parliamentary democracy actually works - I do not understand how what is going can be so shocking to the morals of a rational person or even be construed as illegal. Two-thirds of the population did not vote for Harper or the CPC and if those two-thirds should choose to speak up in parliament, so be it - it is within their rights to do so. If Harper were to cling on to power at the expense of parliamentary progress (by which I mean proroguing parliament), it would indeed be the only un-democractic action in this whole debacle.

Also, does anyone remember Harper seeking a similar action when he was in the opposition?...Irony.

If this coalition gets into power I think we should make sure that the guy in jail who was going to behead the Prime Minister gets bail and a very sharp knife right away.

"Also, does anyone remember Harper seeking a similar action when he was in the opposition?...Irony."

That's because the Liberals were being assailed, constantly hammered because of adscam. Not only did parliament lose confidence in the Liberal party, Canadians did as well.

The same cannot be said about the Conservatives, in fact their mandate was strengthened in the last election(a mere 6 weeks ago!).

Two totally different situations. You cannot even begin to compare the two.

That's it.

NOW I'm mad.

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2008/12/soviet-history-repeats-in-canada.html

I'm getting really tired of hearing that this is legitimate because he didn't get fifty per cent of the votes. It may be legal but it's certainly not legitimate.
When this mess is settled it may be time to push for a constitutional amendment banning coalition governments. I think we can see how a coalition is going to work. Not well.
And only a leftist can cry $300 million is too much to spend on an election but $30 billion for a "stimulus package" is just enough.

alain - you can't merge the different political parties and declare them ONE. You can't say that because 60% of the vote was for the Liberals, NDP, Bloc, Green - and Marxist-Leninist, Communist, Libertarian etc parties - that this SET of ALL OTHERS deserves to be defined as the legitimate government.

The system operates not by aggregating all the parties but by voting for ONE political party. That party 'wins' the govt because the electorate has chosen THAT PARTY as the winner. It is absolutely unacceptable to coalesce all the parties that didn't win and lump them into one.

Furthermore, we are, I hope, a democracy. We vote for our government. We don't accept backroom deals outside of the electorate as legitimate representations of our will. That type of behaviour, an oligarchy, or call it simple thuggery, belongs in third world countries. Not in a democracy.

Think about it. This is setting up a precedent where any time a financial bill is introduced, all the Opposition vote against it, and then, immediately demand to be named as, together, the New Government. Without going to the people. Bypassing the will of the people. In a minority situation, that would mean a new government every fiscal year. Without an election.

And think further about this deal - it's setting up Quebec as essentially the Emperor, the Caesar, the Napoleon, of Canada. No parliamentary decision can be made without being approved by Quebec. Canada is no longer being represented by its elected representatives, but run by one province, Quebec. And the members of the Quebec party, are totally offlimits to over 80% of the electorate.

Is Canada a democracy?

I suppose the way these clowns think, if ten million people show up to rally on Saturday it won't matter because twenty million didn't.

I'm p**d off that these fools are mucking with our rightful government and democratic process.. We don't overthrow governments this way in Canada. I don't hear anyone saying Treason! But I'm saying it. And I'm going to keep saying and hope others join me! I'm not an expert in constitutional law, and this little scenario may just blow itself out. I'm an ordinary citizen, I shouldn't have to wonder what the h**ll is going on?, and how serious is it?.
This is how the little demagogues in third world counties take over, they just walk in and push the elected government aside. If she's going to buy into it I say get rid of this GG, term over!
Now we can see what Dion, Layton and Duceppe are all about, they have so much disdain for you and I, the voter, that they will act treasonously to take control....for their own benefit.

Traitors All! I'm just afraid that we haven't the wherewithall in this country to withstand this scheme. Someone calm me down!

"The Prime Minister and Cabinet must enjoy the confidence of the House of Commons to remain in office. Confidence, in effect, means the support of a majority of the House."

www2.parl.gc.ca/MarleauMontpetit/DocumentViewer.aspx?Sec=Ch01&Seq=2&Lang=E

Kate McMillian: "THIS ISN'T FAIR!!!"

Haha this is sooooooooo sweet. I am absolutely loving every minute of this.

Exactly, ET. You can't just add up the number of people who voted for the individual coalition member parties and say that the sum total is the number of people who support the coalition. Many -- millions? -- of people who voted for one of the (now) coalition parties voted for their choice of party for the specific purpose of stopping another party that is now a member of the coalition. Some voted BQ because they hate the Liberals, for example, and some voted Liberal to stop the NDP.

Not one single Canadian voted for a coalition government propped up by the separatists.

My level of hatred for the Liberals has absolutely gone through the roof. Unelected insiders like Chretien and Broadbent cobble together a coup, and then the man who will lead comes right out and says that instead of letting Canadians decide who will lead them, a bunch of backroom insiders will decide instead for our own good:

"We are ready to form a new government that will address the best interests of the people instead of plunging Canadians into another election."

You heard that right, it's in our best interests to have no say in who forms the government. Politicians from the losing party will decide for us instead of "plunging us" into a situation where Canadians would have a say.

This is a war on democracy.

loke, my husband and I are self employed. I refuse to send installments and haven't for the 10 years in business. They call and I tell them they will get the whole amount at years end. I have never been forced to make installments and I won't. My husband may work for three weeks but because of health reasons it could end tomorrow. If I start they will hound me to no end.

Next April they may get their check say around August or maybe not.

You know, all of a sudden the Leftists care what, exactly, the Constitution actually says, as written.

How convenient for them... this time.

Remember when they were claiming that the Constitution is a "living document"?

Well, funny, that... if it's a "living document", then maybe we the people will decide that it has changed, and we'll declare that the germane part of the Constitution cited by the Left does NOT allow the Left to do what they're doing... hey, it's a living document, after all, so...!!!

Irony of ironies... ah, but then again, we're talking about the Left... and, of course, this time they'll forget, conveniently, that they ever said anything about "living document" and "reading-in" and "interpretation"...

The Left only cares about what the Constitution actually says as written... only when it suits their extremist agenda. Like this time.

What a massive flipflop on the part of the Left! From reading-in stuff that ain't there to as-written literalist.

They're even more foul and disgusting than a loaded, clogged toilet in a Mexican restaurant... in Mexico.

That said, constitutional or not, it's not legitimate, as I said in my post. They have NOT made their case. There is no state of emergency to justify this radically extreme move. There's no WMD! They haven't proven it! Haven't made the case!

It's really all about getting rid of Harper and the Conservatives. If they can't do it democratically, they'll seek to do it some other way, on false pretenses.

No Putsch in Canada!

They're going to be sorry. The People will see to it.

This Putsch will NOT last long. Even the one in the USSR in 1991 lasted only three days, ending in the complete collapse of the USSR!

That %$&##^&$ Left!

"The leader of the party having the support of the majority of the Members of the House of Commons is asked by the Governor General to form a government and becomes the Prime Minister."

www2.parl.gc.ca/MarleauMontpetit/DocumentViewer.aspx?Sec=Ch01&Seq=2&Lang=E

Dear ET, Shannow, & Netty:

"Alain" is indicative of the Left & Radical Left in this country. They do NOT believe in Democracy. They do NOT believe in Free Speech. They do NOT believe in Freedom.

Even after I went to the trouble to gather all the historical facts in every election since Confederation, such thugs just ignore it.

I'll ask the question again, like I've been asking all day:

Is there even one good reason why an election should not be forced by the GG?

It can't be about the cost because the Cabal de Trois has already announced they plan to waste ... errr "spend" $30 Billion very quickly.

It can't be about a lack of interest because every Canadian I talk to is very interested to vote.

And it can't be about precedent because there has NEVER been any event anything similar to this.

If Ms. Jean declares that there must be an election then she will be viewed as honourable and just by all concerned. Oh sure, some will not *like* such a decision but they can't say it's wrong.

So, let's see:

"The Prime Minister and Cabinet must enjoy the confidence of the House of Commons to remain in office. Confidence, in effect, means the support of a majority of the House."

And,

"The leader of the party having the support of the majority of the Members of the House of Commons is asked by the Governor General to form a government and becomes the Prime Minister."

This has nothing to do with who YOU voted for, it has everything to do with having the support of the majority of MPs.

Suck it up, Cons. This is not a coup...this is the parliamentary system in action.

http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20081201/450_cp_agreement_081201.jpg

You can see in Gilles sig, even IT is separated.

Toronto M.P. Jack Layton was born, raised and for the most part educated in Hudson, Quebec.
The new coalition government "leadership" is totally rooted in Quebec and its rotten culture of entitlement. Bred right into the assholes.

Robert, I'd love to have an election round about the second week of January.
I'm a firm believer in the law of unintended consequences and I'm sure something unintended is about to happen.
I just have no idea what.
I still think Harper is a hell of a lot smarter than the three stooges. That's why the lefties hate him so much. Plus he's mean, and arrogant, and fat. Did I forget any?
I guess we'll see what happens...

better hide you wallets and purses, cuz here comes the socialist coalition government...

Here's one for the constitutional "just-add-water" experts on the left:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/12/01/michael-bliss-unstable-coalition-is-a-powderkeg-under-canada.aspx

"The constitutional 'experts' who point out that Governor-General Michaëlle Jean could legitimately ask Stéphane Dion to try to form a government are correct but superficial. They don’t take into account the responsibility the Governor-General would have to consider the circumstances.

"Ms. Jean and her advisors would have to note that a party with 143 seats in the House of Commons would be defeated by an alliance of the Liberals, NDP and a Quebec-based political party explicitly and historically dedicated to the destruction of Canada. The Conservatives cannot be defeated except by Bloc Québécois votes.

"If this were to happen, and Mr. Harper were denied a request to test the sentiments of Canadians with a new election, and a Liberal-NDP coalition, commanding 117 seats in the House, took office, the day-to-day power of the separatist party in the Canadian Parliament would be hugely enhanced, whether or not it had made a back-room deal with the leaders of the coalition.

"I do not believe that the Governor-General can possibly allow herself to be complicit in such events. If the Conservatives are brought down by a separatist party, Ms. Jean would have to accede to the Prime Minister’s request to test the will of Canadians. To refuse to do this would be an abuse of vice-regal power, an abuse that would rai