“Dion is like Frankenstein’s monster - he’s on the slab and just had a jolt of life injected into him"

Its obvious, to anyone who reads The Black Rod, that Dion has cut a power deal with Gary Doer to give his King Lear like final scene a touch of studio lighting.

Hurry! Hurry Hard Stephane!

I wonder how Chretien's deceased father feels about his son aiding a deal with the Bloc?

And we're supposed to be surprised by any of this?

"I wonder how Chretien's deceased father feels about his son aiding a deal with the Bloc?

Posted by: Hannibal Lectern at November 30, 2008 8:31 PM "

He feels just ducky.The apple(or crap in this case) doesn't fall far from the tree.

I wonder if the liberals are starting to have second thoughts of committing suicide.

I swear I'm spitting nails and hoping to hit dippers and liberals with every one.

Slimey weasels. I hope al qaeda gets them.

"He feels just ducky.The apple(or crap in this case) doesn't fall far from the tree."

The reason I mention it is that there's a well known story that the Catholic priest that performed the funeral mass for Chretien's father told Chretien "your Father is surely going to hell for being a Federalist". In addition to being idiotically spiteful and contrary to Catholic doctrine, it stuck with Chretien his entire career. Even corrupt politicians running a Librano style operation have loyalty to their family.

For Chretien, aiding the Bloc is beyond the pale. Unless he really has sold his soul.

It's like the horror pics from the '50's.

Dion aka "the creature from the black lagoon"

or..

the Liberals: "Night of the living dead"

For me,Chretien was the most crooked politician this country has ever seen,he could teach Putin a thing or two.I believe Chretien would do absolutely anything for a dollar,including the destruction of Canada.

no shows... I think that's exactly what would happened.

Hannibal,

Chretien has no soul to sell. He's pure sociopath. Always has been.

I bet he doesn't care for his dead father any more than he cared for his party when he crippled it or his country who he stole from.

May he find a painful spot in hell where he and his father can watch each other burn for ever.

And we're supposed to be surprised by any of this?
Posted by: MJ at November 30, 2008 8:34 PM

It seems that Harper was. He may be about to go down in history ... right alongside Joe Clark.

We don't have the numbers.

chuck

and the G&M still tries to cover up the biggest story of the day.

G&MM Headlines at 5:45pm Pacific

"Tories climb down in face of coalition

No mention of Jacko the Traitor negotiating to sell out Canada's interest for some cheap political advantage by screwing with the Bloc.

Dion can join Tommy in the "not quite dead enough" political category.

chuck,

Joe clark lost (after his minority defeat) because he ran truth (a tax RAISE) against trudeau's bald-face lies.

This time, Harper will be running against layton who has been caught plotting with the separatists and liberal traitors who went along with it.

And if the cost is a unilingual public service, i bet the libs even lose toronto.

You know, every time I see Duceppe, I get pissed.

The question I have is why are the Bloc not forced to run candidates across Canada? The Reform Party, Canadian Alliance and the Green Party are all forced to run candidates across Canada, but they get a pass???

I am going to be writing my MP and a few radio talk shows to see if we can get some of this part of the equation opened up.

After all, the Bloc has no place deciding ANYTHING for anyone outside of Quebec.

looks like a golden opportunity for Iggy to take the role of "the hero who saved canada":-))))

"every time I see Duceppe, I get pissed."

I prefer to call him Chairman Mao. Or, if we're following Parliamentary decorum:

The Right Honorable Chairman Mao.

The Buck Ninety Five coalition is the best name yet.

"The Buck Ninety Five coalition is the best name yet"

Is there GST on the 1.95?

Prior to the last year and some, I though Dion was basically a nice, honourable man who just happened to be incorrect on the issues.

i've learned the truth. He's an arrogant, honourless, lying, power-mad... liberal.

I always thought much the same about layton. Kind of a buffoon but meant well even if he'd be a disaster. Nope: he's pure scum of the earth.

Death isn't enough for those two. Infinite torment and pain isn't even enough. At times like this I wish I was a religious man. I'd like to picture them in Dante's sequel.

MM, would that be 7% GST?

I had this hours ago...

Not a "private communication either"

Buck Ninety Five coalition + 5% GST = Two loony coalition.

For how long now have we all been predicting a tectonic shift in Canadian politics? Welcome to the shift! With the waning influence of the Liberals the loons are let loose. Unfortunately for the Liberals the destruction is coming from within none other than Jean Chretien. I wonder how JC's lick spittle WK is doing since he is now backing Iggy. Thanks to JC, Iggy may well be the second leader of the Liberal party never to become prime minister.

Allan - agreed. I wonder how many members are adding up their "days in office" to see how many more they need to qualify for that gold-plated pension. An election is as likely as a coalition (would YOU want to be known as the GG that stole democracy, or the one that sent the politicians back to their masters for a spanking?). Regardless, any coalition would likely only last a few scarce months (legitimately, that is - once in power, I don't see Mr "I know what is best for you" Dion dropping the reins for anything). Harper, however, is a known quantity. Several more years of peaceful service, then comfortable "retirement", supplemented by consulting/lobbying.

As much as I can't stand today's flavour of the Liberals, I am ashamed as a Canadian to see them stoop this low.

The Bloc might as well be Taliban - They are the virus of this country.

Its time has come...Free The West!

Lets get out of this charade...CONfederation!

What is going on here is eastern bigotry and their sence of entitlement.

Well, I live in London Ontario, but after Ottawa burns, I do like the sound of Canmore.

Keep in mind, most of Ontario west of Toronto went tory blue. If we cut Ontario in half, you think the western half could go with you guys? lol.

This article has a mistake:
18 Liberals would need to abstain (if the two independents vote with the Government).

if 18 abstaid:
NDP: 37
BQ: 49
LPC: 59=77-18
CPC: 143
IND: 2

145/(37+49+59)= 50%

Then the speaker votes with the Government.

jm

The speaker votes with his party: liberal.

YES IT
IS TIME TO FREE THE WEST!!!!!!!!
An

Stephane wants a do over.

My name is Jack Layton,and I'm running to be Prime Minister of Canada! Could this have meant the coup was already in place when election was on?

time for the conservatives to try and entice some libs to cross the floor.

I wonder if they have thought of the far-reaching consequences. Alberta and Sask will have to fork out the bucks for these jokers and we won't have representation.
Don't mess with us or they may end up with less money than they thought.
We are not the 'milk cow'

Advice to some posters here. Stop bash the EAST! I'm from Ontario and I'm a Conservative. So are 51 MP's in government in case you weren't paying attention to the last election. The people of Eastern Canada are not the same as the leaders and MP's from the opposition. We work hard too and we're ashamed of what's going on!

The fate of the federal government is going to lie in the hands of a liberal appointed civil servant who may put an unelected tri-party coalition comprised of a leaderless party, a socialist party, and a separatist party into power to run our country during the worst global economic crisis since the great depression and all the while fighting a war half way around the world.

And whose going to lead this farce? The professor who would be Prime Minister (Dion). How about another appointed liberal leader to become the (un)elected Prime Minister? How about cabinet ministers? This would be funny if some politicians and journalists weren't so gungho about it.

Time is coming to offer Iggy the UN ambassadorship. He would make a great one. Too bad our Security Council membership wasnt a sure thing....

Phil, it's not about bashing the East. It's about Western perception that Central Canadian parties want to usurp power, bypassing the results of the election.

If this hairbrained coalition ever succeeded (though zero chance IMO), there is not doubt many westerners would want to wash their hands of Confederation.

It is what it is, Phil

I agree with Stan -- "The Buck-Ninety-Five Coalition" is the best name, hands-down.

shamrock,

the libs and ndp run candidates across the country. The NDP and Liberals are the only parties in BC provincial politics. Alberta has lib and NDP candidates and even occasionally elects a liberal in Redmonton.

It isn't "east" it's Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal triangle of evil which is the problem.

Liberal-NDP coalition government with projected life of 2.5 years. NDP to receive 25 per cent of cabinet seats, however, NDP will not receive Finance or Deputy PM positions. Bloc will prop up government. per CBC.

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46831&Itemid=41

Say no more....say no more

Mr. Harper is an idiot for pushing things this far but everybody else except Duceppe is tarred with the same brush.

Taliban Jack is lying in the same bed as the separatists. Once again he sells out his country.

Dion, the supposed saviour of Canada because of the Clarity Act, is the lamb lying down with the lions (Duceppe and Layton) while wolves (Ignatiefand Rae). Funny that the Clarity Act was sponsored by Dion and Chretien, both of which are incomprehensible.

Duceppe is the only politician empowered by all of this. How sad!

"Liberal-NDP coalition government with projected life of 2.5 years. NDP to receive 25 per cent of cabinet seats, however, NDP will not receive Finance or Deputy PM positions. Bloc will prop up government." per CBC.If the conservatives are defeated and the GG agrees to let the troika govern, theen I repeat -
Canada will be a de fact COMMUNIST led state.
God help us.

Justthinkin 8:35 Try "the turd doesn't fall from the horse's ass. It fits that whole crew quite well I think.

@ Rich

Funny how CBC puts out how the NDP and Liberals reached a deal as their front page story but nowhere can I find a story about the (not so)secret "coup d'etat" plans of the NDP/Bloc. CTV, National Post, Globe and Mail, even the Red Star have it. CBC wouldn't be biased at all, no would they.

Earl- this isn't a result of Harper's pushing it; this is strictly a hidden agenda, and long in the planning, by Jack Layton.

I suspect that Harper knew about it, and realized it had to come out on his terms, rather than on Layton's terms. Make no mistake; Layton probably planned to do this at budget time. He's been planning this for some time, aligning the Bloc on his side (probably with promises of millions).

Layton had to do it before the Liberals chose a new leader. After all, if the chose Rae, then a coalition of Rae and Layton would be viewed as Rae returning to his NDP roots. Ignatieff, I still think would have told Layton to 'get lost'. Possibly LeBlanc would do the same. Layton had to stage this coup before a new leader - and it had to be over a financial motion. I suspect that Harper knew this, and chose this financial motion rather than the budget.

But the party in big trouble in this scenario, is the Liberal Party. Are they that insane that they think that they could take power from a legitimate govt, without an election and over a small financial bill - not a budget?

And don't the Liberals realize that such a coalition would be the end of their party as a viable party? It would be forever defined as socialist left, and as part of the NDP.

Plus, the money deals would come out; this always happens - the payoffs, the bribes, the promises of contracts, etc. Layton has already gotten the union and other support by his promises to them of millions in taxpayer money.

Think about it; a government focused on raising taxes, raising taxes more and more - and spending like crazy, moving us into a deficit. Spending on keeping the status quo rather than dealing with the rotting infrastructure. It would be disastrous. And who would be blamed? heh. The Liberals.

If any Liberals have any integrity and brains, they'll abstain. I think that at the moment, they'll be silent, they'll let the insanity continue, showing itself as more and more about greed, lust for power and indifference to Canada and Canadians. Then, on the day of the vote - they'll abstain, or, even have the courage to vote with the govt.

Note that Layton doesn't talk about the economic welfare of Canadians, but only those in the unionized corps - the public service, the union auto, etc. How can increased taxes on the regular citizen - to support this segment - help Canada?

And to allow the Bloc to function as the lynch pin for any govt is unethical. Remember, the Bloc has only one interest. Money. It's not really interested in separation because the money disappears if such happens. It's not interested in Canada or Canadians. Just money from the Canadian taxpayer. That's all. And that's what Layton has probably promised them. Money.

Again, such a move would implode the Liberal Party. It would no longer have any reason to exist.

Let's cut Old Canada lose and form a country out of Western Canada and BC. I'm weary of Quebec and Toronto.

There are not enough Liberals willing to defeat Harper and as a result been seen enabling this proposed monstrosity. Jack has miscalculated if he thinks M. Green Shaft enjoys the unwavering support of the Liberal caucus.

At the end of this, Taliban Jack's hidden agenda is exposed, and public funding of the Libranos and Gilles DoSep(please) is done.

Now that looks attractive.

Stay the course, PMSH. These fools are in self-destruct mode.

Problem with the above numbers is that Iggy may know the number of Liberals who will absent themselves on Monday but you can bet your boots that he doesn't know how many Conservatives might catch the '24' hour bug on Sunday night. Do the Liberals realy want to throw the dice against the House when they don't know the odds?

At one time I would have been willing to allow that Dion, while he was a lousy leader, might actually be a nice guy, with principles. Alas I have grossly overestimated him. He might do well to consider emigrating to France...after this he's not going to be welcome in too many places in Canada, except maybe Jack Layton's boudoir.

Interesting discussion occurring on my blog here. Feel free to add your voice.

Or even better, maybe Kate et al will start a new thread, posing the 2 questions I've outlined!

Steph,Jack and Gilles,
Stole up the Hill,
To Eviscerate Democracy,
Its Plain to See,
To You and Me,
Its Nothing, But Hypocrisy

Hannibal Lectern: "For Chretien, aiding the Bloc is beyond the pale. Unless he really has sold his soul."

UNLESS he really has sold his soul???? He has DEFINITELY sold his soul and long before this. He's just acting according to type. You know? ... slimy, sleazy, slithery, sans conscience, entitled, thug-like ... definitely a guy who has sold his soul ...

Remember the cartoon of cretin?

IDIOT in both official languages!

we need one for Dion-

TRAITOR in both official languages!

Warwick at 9:48 P.M.: "It isn't "east" it's Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal triangle of evil which is the problem."

Right. The Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa axis. Eerily reminiscent of the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis, is it not?

If this coalition actually materializes, we should simply call it The Axis Government. Wonder if they'll get themselves some snappy uniforms?

Jack Laydown has always been a horse's a**. The eyes never smile, even when the mouth is upturned at the edges. There isn't an authentic bone in this guy's body.

But he's sure great slurping at the public trough. I see no evidence of his concern for the "working wo/man" nor any genuine concern for the downtrodden.

So a party that received 37% of the popular vote is to be ousted by two parties that collectively managed 44% of the vote...and this is some kind of anti-democratic coup?

Hmm...I think some deep blue is showing on all of your shirt sleeves.

This is how parliament works and in fact, it works even better with 308 independent MPs. What a lot of people fail to realize are the simple things like how even one of the two independent MPs could be the prime minister if that's what the majority of the house endorsed. Just because partisan politics have perverted our system of government doesn't mean you should all forget to figure out the basics of how it works.

I kind of think that Iggy's instincts will tell him to back away from this. Rae -- I don't know, he is a bit of a snake in the grass. I don't think either of them are likely to follow Pied Piper Dion on this, but Rae could stage a Liberal coup.

Dear Zach Bell,

Please provide just ONE historical example of where this has happened in Canadian history.

I'll even save you the time with the research: http://pelalusa.blogspot.com/2008/11/historical-summary-of-canadian.html

We're all awaiting your response,

Robert W.

Robert W.-

What Zach is saying is that if 3 people run for office, and one gets 40% of the vote and the other two get 30% each, then the person who got 40% doesn't deserve to be elected, because he didn't get more than 50% of the vote. Get it?

Essentially Zach has not noticed that only one government in recent memory got above 50 percent of the popular vote. Essentially Brian Mulroney is the closest thing to a legitimate Prime Minister then.

Iggy is more intelligent than most of the idiots in that party. He should really be a Conservative. I could even live with a Lib government for four years if he was in charge. He will at least pull them back to the center. I just can't see him going along with this scheme. He sounds quite evasive when they are interviewing him. I find him awfully arrogant but oh well can't have everything. Maybe there's hope.

Bob Rae and Ujjal Dosanjh are both former NDP premiers. Libs/NDP are both like a pair of black socks ... makes no difference on the foot you place them on.

Speaking to the "Reform Assembly" in 1987 Harper, in a sort of rebuttal to Preston Manning, said that trying to hold the balance of power with a western contingent of reformers was impossible.

He asked "how can you hold the balance of power between the NDP, Liberals and PC's (the pcs being what would remain of the Mulroney coalition) when they are the "three heads of the same monster."

The monster has risen!!

The present day Bloc, Liberals and NDP have demonstrated much in common in committee, the public displays are a charade. A long lasting minority government sheds bright light on this drama and demonstrates the fact that Canada is ungovernable when our system is one of mob rule. A democracy, not a republic.

With out a Triple E Senate western independence is the only option for the west. Separate or surrender!

Backbenchers need to introduce legislation into the BC, Alberta, and Sask Assemblies ASAP calling for a consultation vote on their continued place within the nation. Yukon should do the same. Conservatives in Manitoba and Ontario should consider partition of their provinces if such a farce goes forward.

You guys that are lumping Ottawa into the "axis of evil" scenario should remember that Ottawa painted 11 out of 13 federal ridings Tory blue last month, probably one of the strongest conservative showings in the country. Nevertheless, if you people in the west are leaving, wait for me! Now if I can just find someone to buy my house.....

I say lets partition Ontario. Isolate Toronto from the rest of what is left of the Canadian corpse. Cut Windsor, Hamilton, and Toronto out of Ontario and the west can have the rest. The north might vote left, but its culturally more in line with the west. Ottawa can remain in the new nation too. Just cut out Ottawa Centre.

Old geezer in a trench coat: "Gotta get rid of de conswerveative guvernement; an doze government shredders working. Gotta get POWER!"

Dey aven't got evidence again mee yet, no proof dats prooven. Shredd before eets too late. I was luckey, but dee ole Adscam storee will come out, and I donn wan dat!

Mais..Aline veintents vite, vite!! Lors que on n'est pue cache dans la noire!....

I don't see players like Keith Martin or Iggy taking marching orders from Dijon. For Martin, he's always been a maverick, deviating from party lines as needed, and he has differed from Steffi on various environmental policies.

As for Iggy, his leadership aspirations would be derailed by allowing Steffi to remain in charge.

Steffi is a lame duck, too many Libs want him gone, and gone fast.

I don't see this going down the way Steffi or Wacko Jacko would like it to. Could be a massive flu hits the Liberal party come this week.

In 2009 I think Jack Layton will have a new self-help book entitled "Jack Layton: How to Gain Power Without Ever Earning It"

In case you're not aware, Stephen Taylor has marvelously transcribed the secret NDP conference call. I link to it here.

Ivison now sez His Igginess has shoved aside His Dioness to be leader of the putsch.

Casts a whole new light on the turgid debacle.

Odd, can he really be apart of it now that the NDP and Block crappola has bubbled to the surface..?

See Bourque

I think we all can see now, why the beautiful people jetted to Bali instead of Minsk last year.

Ivison's old article is gone... it now says Ignatieff has convinced Dion to make him PM.

Fundamentally if Harper falls its his fault for trying to woo Quebec when he should have thrown everything at BC and Ontario. He would have a majority if he would not have been so focused on Quebec.

I agree with shaken at 10:30 PM. I wish that the Prime Minister will stay the course. Let the three clowns make fools of themselves because that is just what they are doing.

The PM knew that this was in the pike. We all should have known because this was floated around during the last election. Mr. Dion said he wouldn't align himself with the NDP it would be bad for the country. Or something like that. Why would this even have come up for discussion if it hadn't been floated around.

We just don't pay attention, but you better believe the Prime Minister is. He threw out that $1.95 to get it out in the open. He made the weasles crawl out from under their rocks. This is better than a soap opera.

They say he is flip flopping. I don't believe that. He showed us all what these three amigos are about, themselves. Then he puts out a statement that he will put the entitlements in another thread for later. This will also be a confidence vote. If they take the government down over a budget they look bad especially if there is an economic package in it. If they take the government down over their loss of entitlements they look bad. You bet he knew what they were up to. I just can't see Iggy going along with them. Thought he had more sense than that.

The PM hasn't made a mistake - it's strategy and he will show the country that these clowns are not interested in the greater good of Canada but in their own greater good. This is what I see and I think I'm right.

By the way I'm in Southern Ontario and we elected Jeff Watson {Conservative MP} for the third time. Aren't you all proud of us. Don't know how we could join up with the West though, but we certainly don't look at things like Toronto or Windsor for that matter. Before the New Conservatives were formed I worked for and voted Reform and I've never been out west.

Didn't dion promise 2 score meetings over 2 score days with 2 score experts on the economy during the last election?. He must have gotten the answer back on Friday ... we're saved!!!

I say lets partition Ontario. Isolate Toronto from the rest of what is left of the Canadian corpse. Cut Windsor, Hamilton, and Toronto out of Ontario and the west can have the rest. The north might vote left, but its culturally more in line with the west. Ottawa can remain in the new nation too. Just cut out Ottawa Centre.

Ok...where do we ship Hedy Fry and Libby Davies to?

Damn it if I have yet to hear a reporter ask this question:

"Mr. Dion, Mr. Layton, could you please tell us and the Canadian people exactly what economic package you would introduce to stimulate the economy once you are sworn in as the new government and how soon after you are sworn in will these measures be introduced in the House?"

If this is really about the economy and nothing else, then they should be presenting this plan RIGHT NOW to us, the Canadian public, and not just saying that the CPC is doing nothing. No answer = power grab, plain and simple.

CTV now has a tape proving the scheme to nullify the election was in the works long before the fiscal update/buck ninety five issue. And, according to Ivison, Iggy will be the coup leader.

The Liberals, of all of them, will regret this the most. Possibly for decades.

Bring it!

"Mr. Dion, Mr. Layton, could you please tell us and the Canadian people exactly what economic package you would introduce to stimulate the economy"

Heck, were still waiting for the government in power now for any type of package.

Its funny how the liberals where shouting and screaming when Harper appointed no-elected cabinet ministers but its ok to put the un-elected NDP and liberals in as leaders of Canada, talk about hypocrites.

@ Bryan,

I fully realize that what I am saying is that Brian Mulroney was probably the most legitimate prime minister we have had in recent memory but I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying that a party must gain 50% of the vote plus one in order to legitimately govern. I think a government could be led by a single independent MP which would translate into something like 0.30% of the national vote so long as that MP maintained the confidence of the house.

What I am saying is that our system of government was designed to accommodate a group of independent MPs but party politics have unfortunately perverted that system.

Popular vote doesn't matter when it comes to determining who will govern. What matters is who can keep the confidence of the House of Commons and currently, the Harper Conservatives haven't been able to do that. It's easy to do with a party majority but that type of governing is immoral and dishonest. Rather than allowing MPs to represent their constituents, MPs are forced by party traditions to represent the interests of their organization.

All in all, a legitimate government is a government that can maintain the confidence of the elected representative of the people. In some cases that's a coalition and what's being demonstrated here is that a government can indeed have fewer seats than the opposition. So juicy no?

I'll say it again. I think most of you have forgotten how our government works.

The potion with the poison is in the flagon with the dragon. The chalice with the palace holds the brew that is true.
-- Danny Kaye

Question? Have the liberals promised Dion a seat in the senate? The vacant seats will be filled by his friends, no chance for senate reform for a generation.
Treason is as treason does.