Jack Layton: Man of Integrity, Good Faith, and Willingness to Work for the Good of Canada!

What's happening right now is beyond comment. The country will pull itself apart if this Coalition goes through. I, for one, will have to give some serious thought as to whether I want to pay taxes to what would, in my eyes, be the result of a coup d'etat, and totally against the democratic system which spoke six weeks' ago.

One more suggestion for the name of the new coalition party. How aboot the Canadian Leftwing Alliance Party (aka The CLAP). Like its namesake, you just wish it would go away as it causes you nothing but problems.

Otherwise Larry, Moe, and Curly (aka Stepane, Gilles, and Jack) seem to have a favorite catch phrase. That being "providing stimulus to the economy". Funny though but they have no definitive ideas of their own on how to do this, without utterly bankrupting us.

I guess the DIPPERS and the SEPARATISTS have curtailed their own ability to use the words "hidden agenda" any more.

I'd be ROFLMAO, if I wasn't so disgusted by them all.

leftists trying to seize power?

well that's a new one, who'd have thunk it?

Yet another disgusting example of the sleazy nature of the dippers, Lieberals, and BQ - power at ANY cost. What vile scum bags the Three Stooges are.

Jack believes in same-sex marriage, but he draws the line at polygamy: he wants Gilles all to himself.

Take a hike Libs! Taliban Karl wants his Chairman Mao and his bedpans all to himself. The Sino-Soviet pact lives on.

Norman Spector provides some solid advice to the GG. What he is saying is correct of course, there is NO precedent for the Cabal de Trois to just take over if the PM demands that there be another election.

On the entertainment front, read the many comments. Most are complete morons, arguing that they have more understanding of this issue that Spector. Reminds me of how the 9/11 conspiracy nuts suddenly gained Metallurgical Engineering Degrees in a matter of minutes. It really is amazing how Emotion always usurps Intellect in the minds of the Left.

If the Liberals have any brains they should be backing out of this coalition as fast as they can.

Jack believes in same-sex marriage, but he draws the line at polygamy: he wants Gilles all to himself.

Take a hike Libs! Taliban Karl wants his Chairman Mao and his bedpans all to himself. The Sino-Soviet pact lives on.

The new name of the coalition!

"The Four Stooges"

Liberals, ND's, Bloc, and Greens...

maybe it should be "The 3.1 Stooges" ?

Oops.

Double post.

My bad.

Layton also says about the Bloc: "Nothing could be better for our country than to have 50 members who have been elected to separate Quebec...actually helping to make Canada a better place."
Gasp ......hahahahahahahahah..... gasp....

Jack and Gilles running the country? You know what that means don't you? Civil war in Canada. There is not one thinking Canadian that would stand by and let those two little commie bastards run it for more than five minutes.

Jack and Gilles running the country? You know what that means don't you? Civil war in Canada. There is not one thinking Canadian that would stand by and let those two little commie bastards run it for more than five minutes.

Layton held a telephone-conference meeting with his caucus Saturday morning that was recorded by a Conservative member.

How the hell did that happen? There's an interesting side story...

How will the CBC and Toronto Star spin this one? I really can't see how Taliban Jack can be part of the coalition now that he has been exposed as a conniving weasel, but the leftards are loyal to their leaders.

"If the Liberals have any brains they should be backing out of this coalition as fast as they can." This I agree with. This is beginning to look very sinister, and the consequences for the Libs would be dire indeed. Having said that, they can emerge the "heros" if they pull the plug on this nonsense. Really, I doubt Ignatieff would be keen on something like this, and I suspect is is being driven more by Dion, Rae and Liberal Harper haters.

"How the hell did that happen?"

Knowing Jack and his Wile E Coyote intellect he probably put it on speakerphone and hooked it up to the public address system in the House of Commons.

I'm amazed a steel anvil or large rock didn't fall on him in the middle of the call.

"Jack and Gilles blow up The Hill"...

Our very own Canuck Guy Fawkes' Gang?

"exposed as a conniving weasel"

How clueless does someone have to be to have only figured that out now? He's panting heavier after Gilles Duceppe than an out of shape porn star at an all night movie.

So when will the MSM start reporting that the separatist Bloc will be part of any ruling coalition?

I wonder if it was an Acme® phone, Hannibal?

"exposed as a conniving weasel"

"How clueless does someone have to be to have only figured that out now?"

Apparently the Dippers haven't figured it out yet, or maybe they have and like him all the more.

I bet $20.00 the NDP offs Jack and dredges Bill Blaikie out of retirement. Bill's hanging out at the University of Winnipeg where President Lloyd Axworthy is supporting Liberal Landmine Bob Rae for imminent detonation.

I think if they form the 'coalition government' and hit the economy with 'stim' package and 'create many jobs that the Canadians want and must have', just think of the money that is going to mysteriously going to disappear and up in the coffers of the 'libs/ndp/bloc' parties bank accounts.

So did Harper perhaps know about this plan before he mused about the poison pill? Dare I dream that this is all falling in place the way Harper planned?

By negotiating a coalition with the BQ, the NDP and Liberals show that they are more interested in power than integrity.

Lie down with dogs...

(Okay, okay, Kate's dogs wouldn't tolerate these characters, and I'm sure they are utterly flealess. The dogs, I mean.)

Exactly right. This idea came to me as I was walking back from some Xmas shopping today - that this whole scenario is really a 'hidden agenda' of Layton's to finish off the Liberal Party.

The group that ought to be most afraid right now, is the Liberal Party. Think about it.

First, the Liberals were demolished at the election. Their reaction was to Ditch Dion and move into a leadership contest. They focus as usual, on The Leader, rather than Policy. The Liberals have gone without policies for a generation, since Chretien threw such necessaries overboard and instead, relied on massive taxation followed by using that money to buy votes.
But, the Liberals were busy with their leadership race. Layton was silent.

Then, Harper - whose govt was sworn in as legitimate - announced some economic measures. Some, not all, because you can't work on them all without the cooperation of the global economic network.

This phase was cuts. To civil service wages, and to the pork barrel trough that funds political parties. The three parties who are dependent on this money went ballistic. Note that they were totally disinterested in the Canadian economy. They provide no plans, no amendments, nothing, about the economy. They daren't say that their real beef is the cutting off of the trough money; so, they instead talk about 'stimulation' but haven't a word or policy about such an action to provide as an amendment.

Then Layton makes his move. He suggests to the wild cowboys of the Liberal party to 'merge' to form a coalition and 'become the government'. Some of them fall for it. But think.

The likelihood of such a scenario is, well, it's unlikely. But, what if, what if..who would be Da Boss? Dion? heh. Rae or Ignatieff? Which one would back down? Ahhh...Layton.

And think about it, with this merger, he'd reduce the ability of the Liberal party to divest itself from the NDP. It would from now on, be seen as simply one arm of the NDP. And, the Bloc would be the other arm.

I think that the party with the most to lose in this fiasco, is the Liberal Party. No integrity, no democracy, no honour, no care for Canadians. Just power and greed.

The last line is the most important: Harper's ham-fisted political tactics gave the Libs, the Dippers and the Bloc an opening.
Nice work, Steve. Nice work.

I have talked with my wife and we are going to exchange CDN for American USD on monday. If this coalition goes through we are taking the kids and moving back to the US. I can only imagine how much this will anger Alberta. This needs to be painted as a Lib/NDP and BLOC coalition.

"Libs, the Dippers and the Bloc an opening"

Wile E Coyote often saw a light at the end of the tunnel before the train rain him over. I think Harper is playing Bugs Bunny and Duceppes is cast as Black Jacques Shellac.

"Don't blow up this one, Jacque!"

And what a surprise, "concerned, lifelong Conservatives" are showing up in the comments section to attack the Harper government.

"Because, you couldn't put three people together in one or three hours. The first part was done a long time ago."

''put 3 people together'',
that pretty much implicates the Liberals, no?

The NDP and Bloc were smart to begin these negotiations early.

They were right -- Canadians can expect nothing but subterfuge, dishonesty, and Karl Rovian tactics from Steven Harper.

Prescience pays off.

Harper is done next week Monday!

Posted this earlier at the other topic below but thought I’d post here as well.

Just a hypothosis but suppose Iggy is the man of intellect that the Liberals have claimed in the past and he knows with Chretien now on the scene that Boob Rae will get the nod as the next Liberal leader courtesy of Power Corp and as a result will lead the Liberals through the next half decade or so, Iggy will then be too old to stage a comeback so he knows he has no chance of becoming Prime Minister. As a result he leads a revolt within the Liberal party and takes some "Blue" Liberals on a walk about and they end up crossing the floor ( Say an even dozen for arguments sake,). Seems to be enough egotists on the liberal side that this could be a possibility. As a conservative I'd sooner make an interm deal with a "Blue" Liberal for the next few years than to allow the Bloc to hobble and ransom the country by letting them make a deal with the Libs/Dips. Any comments!
An upside for Iggy in the above scenario would be that he would serve enough time in HoC to qualify for a pension. Whereas if an election is called in the next few years there may be a lot of the Liberals out on the street.

I think that it is time for charges of treason to be laid against Jack the Jackal, Duceppe, all about Quebec and Dion the dork, all about money and control. Also, the RCMP should be called in to press charges against Scott Reid for uttering death threats against the Prime Minister.
Lets go to another vote, I am so pissed off right now at these three imbeciles, I would just love for them to see the wrath of the voters. IF, this coalition wins, it is time for the west to leave. AND let the tit suckers feed off of each other. So pathetic!

Harper hasn't provided stimulus to the economy, is the current version of "soldiers with guns....", and makes even LESS sense.

Dion and Layton don't mean a real stimulus, they mean taxpayers dollars to bail out their constituency, the auto workers.

Some member of the MSM should ask Dion & Layton where they stand on B.C. forestry workers bailout.

"If the Liberals have any brains they should be backing out of this coalition as fast as they can." This I agree with. This is beginning to look very sinister, and the consequences for the Libs would be dire indeed. Having said that, they can emerge the "heros" if they pull the plug on this nonsense. Really, I doubt Ignatieff would be keen on something like this, and I suspect is is being driven more by Dion, Rae and Liberal Harper haters.

"the RCMP should be called in"

Ah yes, the pillars of sanctity the RCMP. In about 40 years they should have the investigation wrapped up. Better call in the FBI instead.

Two peas in a pod really, both are ideological communists and political opportunists that would chat up a security camera if they thought the film would end up being seen by someone (anyone).

I wonder if the Republic of Western Canada could use another skilled soldier.

Venezanada? Canazuela? Chavezisnuck? Even Survivor! had high quality liaisons than the Throw Canada Under the Bus gang. Raw naked greed and lust for power is not a pretty thing.

It should be crystal clear now to everyone why the Libs (p'tooey), the NDP (p'tooey) and the Bloc (p'tui) relentlessly want to disarm citizens. Hard to seize control when the citizens raise up in arms to object...

It looks to me like Harper got caught playing checkers.

A Manufactured event. Plain and simple. Hidden agenda is the operative phrase.

I also remember a statement that Dion made just right after the election that watch out for what would happen at budget time, and he smirked. I always wondered what he had in mind. Now we know.

Cutting party subsidies is undemocratic according to Bob Rae, so the answer is a bloodless political coup to overthrow the clear results of a democratic election we just had. Now that's democracy at work!

Harper should look for fourteen sane opposition members willing to cross the floor. This would put an end to the scheming, and the Coalition of the Corrupted would be D.O.A.

But.....are there fourteen opposition members disgusted enough with the opportunistic power grab being proposed by crypt-keepers Chretien and Broadbent, or am I being far too optimistic?

The lack of Canadian outrage, except at Conservative sites, shows what a dangerous possibility this corrupt cabal could be. There needs to be a revolution in this country. There are plenty of us in the east who do not want anything to do with the left either, by the way. PM Harper miscalculated and now needs to take measures to protect us from the salivating, rabid leftbots, completely mesmerized by the thought of holding power in concert with the Obamessiah.

"Liberal Harper haters."

Are there any other kind?

What I find disturbing about this is I don't think its collusion between just the three opposition Parties.

If they defeat the government and the GG denies their request for a coalition, there would be another election.

An election the Liberals simply cannot fight. It would literally wipe them out.

So why would Dion all of the sudden develop a set of brass balls, and why would Harper after holding fast suddenly capitulate?

Seems to me it must be becuase Dion knew, and Harper just found out that there will be zero chance of the GG rejectin the Oppositions request to form government.

No way Dion bets the future of the LPC on a coin toss. Unless of course he knows its a two headed coin and he gets to call it.

While gaining power by whatever means necessary is certainly a priority, I think a just as high on their list is the thought that if they can remove the Conservatives from power, the very helpful MSM can start a narrative that Harper must step down as leader.

This is a much about destroying Harper as it is about gaining power. And I cannot see how the GG is not in on it.

"are there fourteen opposition members disgusted enough"

Keith Martin would be my first phone call.

Skip, I like Cana-banana-da if the coalition seizes power.

"Cana-banana-da"

Sounds like its time for the Bananada anthem.

So, is there accepted moniker for this one yet? Moustache-gate? Layton-gate? Slimy socialists trying to steal a country-gate?

Well, if we all just stop purchasing anything that is not essential, we can bring the economy to its knees. Let's see how the Dippers and Bloc deal with that little issue.

Antenor: "As a result he leads a revolt within the Liberal party and takes some "Blue" Liberals" -- interesting surmising. I also have been wondering about "cooler heads" in the Liberal party (or even the Bloc)agreeing to cross the floor. Having set that a separate faction of Liberals (possibly lead by Iggy) that forms a coalition with the CPC might be the intelligent way to go to both avoid this nastiness . . . and I think possibly bring Liberals back on track. Unfortunately, I just don't know how many cool heads there are in the Liberal party these days . . . though I tend to think that Iggy must be one. Rae is more likely to go for the power grab. Canadians and possibly Liberals stand to be devastated by this. The West and most moderate Canadians will be outraged.

The other useful thing about an IGGY lead faction and CPC coalition would be that I think such a coalition would help keep Harper's more draconian instincts in check. I like him -- a lot -- but reaction of many people to what he does is often too volatile. Even the latest getting rid of funding is not a bad idea . . . just bad timing (it would appear.) A coalition could help soften Harper a bit, reassure moderate Liberals and keep things nicely balance in the centre . . . where Harper is most of the time anyway.

The CTV gal is saying that PMSH wrote a letter to the GG in 2004 requesting that she recognize a coalition rather than calling an election on former PM Paulie II. At the time (for those who have forgotten), the public affairs committee was looking for the crooks in the Adscam crimes. Liberanos were stonewalling the committee but the opposition were getting close to unearthing the stolen millions from Canadian taxpayers. The Dippers and Blocheads were out for blood against the Liberanos (all Canadians had been LIED to and had been victims of a giant $$ hoist by the Liberanos). The GG refused to allow the Public Affairs committee to continue their work for Canadians, she saved PaulieII and his gang of thieves from the jailhouse by doing PaulieII's bidding and calling an election. All Canadians lost BILLIONS and the retribution we were entitled to...GG was the same one that is in now.

As suggested by another commentator, on another thread, the GG must have been in the loop, else why the confidence of the three little piggies? This was cooked up a long time ago (probably before the last election) methinks by the evil Carbon credit people - the Unca Mo crowd who want those $$ flowing and who want access to those secret Trust Funds, with Billions stashed full of $$ from the $$ --for- oil set up with Saddam Hussain/UN - it was starving the Iraqi people but the $$ made via the Americans and British (not in the loop) were all that concerned the Liberanos and their MASTER Unca Mo.

The MSM must be getting a kick back from Unca Mo to keep pushing this world slavery agenda (and the American MSM too!) - Kyotee -...Lenin and Stalin had labels for such low ilk...'Useful Idiots'. We can thank Heaven for the Internet and for sites like SDA...and for that Conservative insider who heard it all.

The 'three little piggies' are Traitors and criminals, IMO...all who support them are also traitors and criminals. Inductive logic tells me so (that includes the shrills at the MSM).

Iggy said in an interview that he had nothing to do with this coalition plan, leaving it to one with a motive like Dion. Dion took the election loss hard, and Bob Rae also seems open to any idea which might get him back in the corridors of power.

A corresponding CPC / Blue Liberal coalition would save the country from whatever havoc would be wreaked by the left-wing cabal. This would be a quick solution to a dangerous dilemma and would help Mr. Harper restore some credibility if it was brokered by him.

No doubt the police will get involved, recording phone calls isn't exactly legal...hope that whoever did it isn't hoping to be re-elected in six months time...

randal g: How the hell did that happen?

According to Corus News, the Conservatives recorded an NDP conference call after they were sent the code by mistake.

Bolshevikgate?

This is good news...

I would accept a temporary liberal-npd-bloc coalition in order to block that evil person called Stephen Harper.

Harper has failed. He must resign. He must go back to Alberta and build the firewall. We had enough of him.

Surprise, surprise. Taliban Jack conspires a coup d'etat with the separatists.What a joke.

Macleans has a partial transcript of the conference call.

http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/11/30/none-dare-call-it-a-desperate-scramble-to-the-lowest-possible-moral-ground-to-stay-in-power/

Everyone remember how a group of Alliance members left the party and sat independantly? This is what needs to happen among Liberals. They already have deep divisions in the party. Iggy sitting on his own with a group of supporters would have opportunity to show leadership (while all around him are behaving irrationally and impulsively -- a sure turn-off for Canadians). I think it would give him a leg-up on the leadership race and the Libs a better chance in the next election. I am not personally interested in Libs doing better in the next election, but the immediate problem is how to bring about a sensible resolution and stability. A Lib faction could do this.

Quebecois Separatiste, your party is funded by a larger percentage of taxpayer subsidies than any party in this country, and that is the main reason Mr. Harper's idea to cut off that type of funding is a good one. You are free to support your ideology of separation with your own money, but the rest of us aren't keen on supporting the breakup of our country.

In the meantime, we're sick of Quebec dictating its' terms to the rest of the country, despite receiving more special treatment than any other province in Canadian history, and never once being grateful for it. The best news of all would be cutting off your federal cash flow to the Bloc and watching you snivel back to the trough with a little humility. You make me sick.

We, Quebecois Separatiste, have had enough of YOU.

LindaL, from the comments from the Liberal trolls here you realize that there is no such thing as a "cooler headed" Liberal, they are calculting opportunists much like sharks. I think there are enough of them, a dozen or so that can see the writing on the wall if this tri-party coup d'etat takes place. They are smart enough to realize that governments cannot create jobs. Governments can only foster a climate where jobs can be created. Taliban Jack wants to tax the rich and the corporations, great incentive for money to stay in Canada, (remember Paul Martin and CSL) the Liberals want more money, (the brown lunch bags aren't nearly as attractive when there's no 'lettuce' in them) and the Bloc want whatever they can coerce from the RoC. This 'manage-a 'trois' if it comes to pass would dig Canada into a hole so deep that we'd never get out. I think that there are enough "Blue" Liberals that know this and will cross the floor for their own survival.

jema 54 - that letter written by the NDP, the CPC and the Bloc did not suggest that the GG recognize a coalition. It only suggested that she consider all options. These would include calling an election - which the Martin govt was refusing to do.

As for the GG being 'in' on this NDP hidden agenda, I strongly doubt this. That would be treason.

I think that it's Layton's hidden agenda, and the coalition ought to be named as NDP-Liberal, not the other way around. I think that Layton's agenda, which is hardly new, is to get rid of the Liberal party and replace them with the NDP. He had to do it before theg got a new leader, and he also had to use a 'confidence vote'.

He made the earlier deal with the Bloc, because he knew that the NDP-Liberal coalition still wasn't enough votes. But he certainly wasn't going to attempt to merge with the Quebec default party! He did, however, use the Bloc - probably promising them money, money..which is all the Bloc is interested in.

But the party to be very afraid, now, is the Liberal Party. They have a choice; either be swallowed by Layton The Wolf, or refuse, and regain some integrity, rebuild their party, get a new leader, and develop some policies.

Let's not let the media take our eyes off the ball here folks.
The troika coalition to dump the conservatives consists of three leftist partys.

Should they as a coalition become the government, Canada will have a de facto communist regime in place.

Be very careful folks.

Are you Western Canadians paying close enough attention?

Speaking of media I have concluded that GloeMedia across the corporate entitiy are pumping leftist shi*, equal to CBC and the Toronto Star!

“What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?” - Jack Layton.

What a good read over at Stephen Taylor. The whole transcript is up.

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/

Jack Layton ...you SON-OF-A-BITCH !!!!

Speaking of media I have concluded that GLOBEMEDIA across the corporate entitiy are pumping leftist shi*, equal to CBC and the Toronto Star!

I don't know if anyone wants to give her the click-through traffic when the transcript will be released soon enough, undoubtedly, but Kady O'Malley has a transcript at her Maclean's blog:
http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/11/30/none-dare-call-it-a-desperate-scramble-to-the-lowest-possible-moral-ground-to-stay-in-power/

I'd rather not give her the traffic, especially when she's more concerned about how the PMO made the recording than its contents, but for those who can't wait, go ahead.

Sorry, TimR, I missed your earlier link to the same item.

Most logical comment so far:

jckirlan at November 30, 2008 3:34 PM
we are going to exchange CDN for American USD on monday. Perhaps you should too.

International banks are already jittery, they are looking for a safe, stable haven for their money. Canada just became banana republic status. The foreign banks holding Canadian bonds do NOT like uncertainty, they certainly do not like investing in a socialist paradise. Look for a run on the canuck buck, we are all about to get poorer.

Thanks to Jackoff, the guy is a megalomaniac, remember the election campaign when he was boasting he was applying to be the next prime minister, 18.2% of the vote, worked out well huh! If commies cannot achieve their aims legitimately they will do it by force and subterfuge. And the clueless lieberals will go along.

Jackoff and Gilles have been plotting to overthrow the country, because they will never achieve leadership status with their combined 28.2% of the overall vote (and going nowhere).

These are dangerous times. Free the West.

could Deyawn be going along with this to destroy the liberals, as they did not support him (his fellow MPs) during the election. He will lose the leadership of the party anyways, so maybe payback?????

and as far as the coalition goes, it ain't a coalition of a greater number without the Bloc in formally, so it would go to court, mark my word!!!

even that fool Ted, who claims to be a lawyer, could see the need to settle such a matter in a court, plus it would be a bonus to Steve, as the final decision will not be his.

now if the liberals would make it a rule that only the one person amongst them, who has the turn with the single liberal brain, would try and think and comment, they may even sound like they have a smidgen of intelligence

I'm guessing that the Brad refered to at the end of the transcript is Brad Lavigne. He was thoughtful enough to share his email address.

brad@ndp.ca

So the Bloc want to seperate from Canada and the Libs and DIPS want to seperate us from our money. They are a match made in heaven, err I mean the other place where Liberals and Dippers go.

The money quote.

Jack Layton: “The Coalition for Canada and Quebec,” (lots of laughter).

Wow!!

The twelve NDP members from western Canada just lost their seats. I've know quite a few NDP types out west and they always regarded the Bloc / PQ as traitors. This is unbelievable.

funny how bob fife goes from a despised buffoon, amongst you lot, to a respected first rate journalist when the message suits. conservatives release an illegally obtained taped phone call to CTV and it's the god's truth? harper gets caught on tape admitting he tried to bribe chuck cadman and you all b#itch about tampering and media bias.

what utter b@llsh*t.

I agree with Joe Molner, “be careful”

What I’m hearing in Toronto from even Conservative supporters is that this is the second crisis in a couple of months and they perceive this one was caused by the CPC.

The first Crisis this fall had really scared people, it is an economic crisis, it is financial and much value has been suddenly lost in the market .. there has been a meltdown. The TSX got cut in half over the past few months from over 15,000 to 7647.

The mega-city crowd did not have any capacity to handle Crisis II , which is a meltdown of government.

So this is the second meltdown and Bay St likes status quo, it likes certainty, as little change as possible. Maybe that’s why many on Bay St vote Liberal, they think 13 years of doing nothing is better than shaking things up.

The West is hardier; it is used to bad weather and bad crops. Toronto is not used to these tough times. Toronto is a media center. The media is firing people.

As Joe said, “be careful”

Thanks for the correction ET, I had forgotten that PaulieII had cancelled opposition days...but the request was NOT granted and the election was called by PaulieII himself as he blubbered on TV that he would call an election 2 weeks after the Gomery Report. He was brought down 2 weeks early but that was the deal. What do you think the deal is this time? Dippers/Blocistas/Deyawnidites seemed pretty confident.

Robert, McClelland, if Harper is playing checkers, how did opposition checkmate themselves with blundering coalition idea?

Jack has a woody,Dion is drooling,and Gilles is holding up a 'for rent' sign. As the quebec separatiste said " He must go back to Alberta and build the firewall. We had enough of him." Be very careful of what you wish for. If this skullduggery goes down the way the 3 little piggies have planned,Harper may retreat to the west. And the west will retreat out of Canada. Then who will pay for your child-care,sidewalk snow removal,language police and all those other goodies that you enjoy so much. A western separation movement will be serious,not like the quebec blackmail scheme that has been going on for years.You see,we have the money.It's not like we mind sharing so much,it's that we don't like being buggered while our pockets are being picked.

Quebecois Separatiste A.K.A. Quebec Separatist

Dear Mr./Ms. Separatist:

The only evil here is your own blatant and immoral self-interest, as you take money from other Canadians to plot the your separatist pipe dream. You'll never really separate: you want to stamp and snivel just enough to take more of our money. Quebec is different from Canada, but, you know what? We're different out here in the West too, just as former PM Chretien pointed out, only he wasn't too happy having to deal with our "difference."

So, please, make our day and separate so we don't have to listen to our deal with you and your like any more.

WHY oh why are we sending our money to the East any more, while they continually slap us around with their regional self-interest? Canada's confederation appears to be an abusive relationship, and The West should stop deluding itself that the relationship is anything but damaging to us. Central Canada, what have you done for us lately?

I could be wrong but I suspect that by Wednesday or Thursday the Conservatives, Liberals, NDP and Bloc will all be looking for a way to save face from this.

I wouldn't be surprised that (after a 2 year American election, several federal elections in the past few years) Canadians are fairly tired of politics and just want the government to disapear for a little while. They (generally) don't care about party financing and are not big fans of the extreme bailouts that were happening south of the border. I'm willing to bet that for every letter or email that they receive in favour of their current stance each politician will get 10 letters or emails telling them to shut up and get back to work.

Westerner,we think alike,or were you peeking over my shoulder as I typed.Heh....

jeff davidson - the tape of Harper wasn't any declaration of bribing Cadman. Kindly get your facts straight.

Again, I maintain that this scenario is about Layton attempting to demolish the Liberal party. If the Liberals merge with Layton's NDP, they are finished as a separate party. There wouldn't even be a need for a leadership contest for them! It would be over; they'd be an arm of the NDP, just as the Bloc would be the other arm, with Layton controlling both of them.

Again, if the Liberals have any integrity, any care for Canadians, and any care for their party, they'll throw Layton overboard.

And get back to work on the economy rather than playing "Let's Play Paint War'.

Politics has been called "the art of the possible"

While I applaud the conservatives on their fiscal update it is obvious that their effort to reduce party funding was clumsy.

Perhaps this speech has resonance today

Oliver Cromwell's Speech on the Dissolution of the Long Parliament
Given to the House of Commons
20 April 1653
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your
contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and
enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell
your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have
no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience
for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den
of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the
whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone!
So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!

And the country was governed by a benevolent dictator.

I agree with Joe..a de facto communist govt will be the result of a virtual putsch in Ottawa.I don't give a damn whether it is Ed Broadbent, Jack Layton, Stephane Dion, Elizabeth May or Gilles Duceppe.Once a Marxist, always a Marxist.

It is now plainly evident that there is no clear delineation between the four leftist parties in our country.Through decades of political indoctrination from the left, and infiltration of our civil service and preparatory schools, the left have paved the way for a seizure of power.

Will the GG show her communist/separatist roots and side with the troika? Have we been had, as it were, in regards to her political loyalty?

We are being set up folks, for a communist coup, brokered by those with no say, to be kept in power by Marxist traitors from Quebec and funded by power corp.

If this goes through, i am afraid we are going to see riots in the streets, and bloodshed.

I hope Brad Wall and Stelmach are having their own conference call as to when to pull the plug on these commies. I think it is already a given that the "Stooges" will look to the West for oil and resource money to feed their Socialist agenda.

The West must consider separation. Harper's fatal strategic error was not pursuing Ont. and BC voters more aggressively. Quebec should have been ignored and completely marginalized.

A VOTE FOR THE LIBERALS AND NDP IS A VOTE FOR THE SEPARISTS BLOC.
LIBERALS AND NDP BRING THE BLOC SEPARISTS TO POWER.

I think the GG has no option but to dissolve Parliament if the 'troika' goes to her with the coalition BS. The 300 million will be money well spent,otherwise there is a very good chance that Canada,as we know it,will be gone forever.Though that may not be all that unappealing to some.BTW,Iggy is on question period,he has bought in to the plot.

I'll take Harper's so called hidden agenda any day over the three stooges unbidden agenda.

luckily the Governor General doesnt have any separatist leanings or she couldnt in good concience declare an opposition coolition to be the government with a separatist component.

I think she may have to defer to her husbands advice.

ET said: "Again, if the Liberals have any integrity, any care for Canadians, and any care for their party, they'll throw Layton overboard."

Pretty faint hope there, ET. We know they have no integrity, their behavior since 1993 proves it. The guiding principal of the Liberals is "MINE MINE MINE!!!"

If they do manage to seize power with the connivance of Taliban Jack and the Blocheads, ooooh its going to get touchy around here.

Jack and Gilles want the Hill
and Dion came panting after.
Dion came down with half a toonie.
He was forever called a loonie.

I can'r see this working at all for anyone besides the Blocheads. The Libs will want no part of this; Rae and Ignatieff have their own egos & adgendas to attend to... and the dippers would have to kiss (most of) their seats in the West good-bye. This is just lefty scare tactics, wish Haper would have stood his ground.

I can'r see this working at all for anyone besides the Blocheads. The Libs will want no part of this; Rae and Ignatieff have their own egos & agendas to attend to... and the dippers would have to kiss (most of) their seats in the West good-bye. This is just lefty scare tactics, wish Haper would have stood his ground.

Lets call the coalition:

Le manage et' trois Party, because all three can F#$K themselves.

I say carry with cutting off public funding for Politcal Parties. This proves contempt for this country and its citizens. Them getting into bed with a separtatist party that is bent on destroying this country (Now apparently the NDP wants to see if it ilegal for the Tory to have taped the meeting.........like who gives a shit)

Drop the writ Harper, and make removing this public one of the main issues along others. After this.....the public will have enough of these bunch of losers basically playing selfish political games, which creates instability, when we are in economic unstable times.

This proves these others parties could actually give a flying F##k about your job and the economic security of this country. The only thing they care about is power for themselves, regardless.Furthermore....obtaining power without the consent of the Canadian people without an election.What more could you expect from a pack of socialist commies and a bunch of marxist separtists (After all...the Bloc leader was wrapped up with the marxists)

I say Harper.........drop the writ and lets put this pack of losers out of their misery. You will not be able to govern effectively with these type of people across the floor.

If this goes to the GG (who icidently was mixed up with separatists) has the common sense to see this for what it is.

http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/11/30/none-dare-call-it-a-desperate-scramble-to-the-lowest-possible-moral-ground-to-stay-in-power/

The blogs over at Macleans have been in the tank for quite awhile but the above really takes the cake.

"(Bloc Leader) Gilles Duceppe only wants money for Quebec and doesn't care what happens to the rest of the country," [Gerry] Ritz said.

Interesting evaluation of Duceppe.

I wonder what Ritz was saying about him in the spring of 2007, when Harper was buying Duceppe's support for the Conservative budget with a fortune in equalization payments, while breaking an equalization promise to Ritz's home province.

Funnny how "plotting with the separatists" is never dastardly when Conservatives do it.

I'm with ET on this. If the Liberal Party is at all smart, they will run away from this coalition (with Layton as the puppetmaster) as quickly as possible. This tape will be damaging to Layton, and by revealing it quite likely to the Conservatives also. Distancing themselves from this is the Liberals best chance at renewal. But they are Liberals after all and we all know how they love to cling to power.

I can see Jack Layton playing a key role in setting things up months ago. The coalition idea is the only possible way that he can get a cabinet position. He has nothing to lose.

The Bloc has nothing to lose either. They get a chance to influence the government in an overt fashion that they are not getting now.

Dion has nothing to lose either. He might wind up as PM after all.

Iggy probably has serious misgivings about all of this. It derails his game plan to ease into the leadership spot in May and then take on Harper a few months after that. This is why he's not exactly in the coalition cheering section. At the same time, he's hedging his bets by not dumping cold water on the idea so that he at least gets a cabinet seat or possibly gets to be leader if this whole mess proceeds.

The Liberal Party has the most to lose here. If the coalition goes ahead, they are truly rolling the dice and pushing into totally uncharted territory. It's anyone's guess as to what the Canadian political landscape would look like a year from now. If Jack and Gilles wind up being undisputed puppet masters, the Liberal party could implode all on its own without any help from Harper. If things don't go well for the Liberals in the coalition, they won't be able to rely on the CPC to bail them out.

ET:

Watch for all types of smears from the commies.

Like, Harper teamed up with the Bloc to overthrow the LIberals.

Yup, to force an election.

Layton's alliance with the Bloc is not designed for force an election against a corrupt party, playing with taxpayers' money.

It is clearly a power grab without having to go through the formaility of an election.

Earlier today, Flaherty moved up the budget date to Jan. 26. That's five days after Obama is inagurated as the US president and the first opportunity to react to the Big Three woes.

There's no need to ‘stimulate' the economy until then since the budget year does not end until March 31 and there will be no deficit under Flaherty's plan.

I have never seen such desperation from the lefty bloggers here before.

What is the issue that would cause Harper to voluntarily resign?

Stimulus package? Totally unnecessary at this time and totally pointless until Obama takes office on Jan. 21.

That leaves only one issue. If these guys want to go to the polls on the issue of taxpayer funding and cause another $300 million to be spent on an unnecessary election just to preserve $30 million in funding, bring it on!

So, anyone know of a western separatist party that isn't currently full of wackos? Or do we need to create another Reform-like party?

I've had enough of the political feudalism of the Eastern parties and their dismissive attitude of Western concerns.

I believe that a credible Western Separation organization will rapidly gain support. Of interest, the Eastern backlash toward it could prove to be the catalyst we need to achieve separation.

It has been said that a politician is only concerned with his own fortune the next election.

And a statesman is concerned for the fortune of the next generation.

The trouble with Canada is that there are far too many selfish, greedy, small-minded politicians like Taliban Jack Layton, and not enough statesmen.

@Stephen,

Are you telling us that you don't see a distinction between discussing the state of parliament with other leaders (one of which may be the leader of a separatist party) and plotting to form the government with a separatist party as soon as an opportunity to seize power appears?

I can respect Liberals and NDP members (and their supporters) who believe that it is important to vote against the government in a confidence motion; but I find it very difficult to respect anyone who wants to help traitors get to the highest levels of government, and to be able to decide how the country is ruled.

If Taliban Jack goes forward with this, I will be devoting a great deal of creative energy on how best we can become ungovernable.

Jack and Gilles, I send you a Trudeau salute.

TimR, how in hell is releasing the tape to the media going to be damaging to the Conservatives, after all someone in the NDP sent the Conservatives the phone number for that conference call?

Is it not in the public interest to know what treasonous scum Layton, Duceppe and their dupe Dion really are?

The Liberal leadership convention will be quite the comedy, no?

Jack and Gilles went up the Hill?

But, of course, they were more interested in subsidies than water.

count me VINNE.
new nation nation -free from eastern canada!!
New WESTERN CANAD
NO MORE P.M FROM QUE
Ann

"Jack E. Coyote accidentally gave the Conservatives the conference code."

Nice to see that the future head of Nato has got that "don't tell the Taliban" thing down pat when discussing Canadian Armed Forces plans in Afghanistan.

Maybe he can conference Putin in as well. Canada is an inclusive country after all.

Keith Martin (from the Liberals) was just on CTV News Net and he was focusing on how Dion was "Holding a hand out" to the Conservatives ...

I get the feeling that the Liberals are starting to look for (just about) any way out of this.

"Keith Martin (from the Liberals)"

I'm starting to feel like a minor prophet in the Old Testament.

We're only in the middle rounds of a 15 round battle royale.

Given some time to think about this, is it really out of the question that the Fibs aren't exactly One Big Happy behind Steffi the Weak? That is the $64,000 question right now. It just doesn't add up, as there will be the Rae and Iggy factions that want Dion gone yesterday. Why would they support Dion's attempt to usurp power via bloodless coup? Their ambitions are to be leader NOW, not to let Steffi the failure make a desperate grab at power.

There is still a lot of game to play here, and despite the leftard similarities between the troika, I believe there are enough within the Lib ranks, that won't support a coalition with the Separatistes, let alone the Horde.

Governments must be decided by election, not by coup, bloodless or not!

From Stephen Taylor's transcript, Jack E Coyote channels Barack Obama, community organizer:

"When you’re organising your community meetings make sure there’s a speaker phone facility, or a webcam. Secondly, I believe that we should get immediately into the driver’s seats on organizing these community meetings, you have people who worked on your campaign who are exactly the kind of people, whether in labour movements, labour councils, uh, childcare groups, environmental groups, these are people that need to be pulled together."

Yup. Make sure there's a speaker phone.

@ Noone

"but I find it very difficult to respect anyone who wants to help traitors get to the highest levels of government, and to be able to decide how the country is ruled."

In securing Duceppe's support for the 2007 budget by means of an equalization deal, Harper was letting him 'decide how the country is ruled,' to borrow your term.

What's the difference between a Conservative government twice recruiting BQ support to pass budgets agreeable to the policy agendas of both parties, and a Lib-NDP government relying on BQ support to advance its own policy agenda?

Ritz, for obvious reasons, acts like it's outrageous for anyone to have anything to do with Duceppe now, but he and his government had no problem dealing with Duceppe during the last parliament, even if it meant breaking a solemn promise Stephen Harper had made to Ritz's home province.

It's an obvious case of special pleading.

Speaking as a Westerner,our only recourse is to back away from this lunacy.

ET, the last time a Liberal government had any hint of integrity was when Lester Pearson sat in the House.

The way I see it, Layton's hidden agenda to take out the Liberal Party requires that he make his move before they choose their next leader.

For example, if the Liberals chose Rae, and Layton took another opportunity to move into apocalyptic mode and set up a coalition, it would be seen as NDP-NDP. Rae would be branded as going back to his NDP roots and that would greatly harm the image of this coalition.

If it were Ignatieff, he might tell Layton to 'get lost'.

So, he had to move now, while Dion was still wavering - but I somehow think that Dion has enough integrity to reject this agenda; however, it's possible he could be persuaded; he can get trapped in semantics.

But Layton had to move now before the new Liberal leader. He had to get the Bloc onside because Bloc support is frankly, the key. Layton can dress it up as much as he likes, with his words that the Separatist Party is 'doing something to benefit Canada'...which is a false assertion for it assumes without evidence that such a coalition is actually benefiting Canada. It isn't.

As the transcript shows, the benefits are to unionized industries, civil service and other unionized interest groups. Nothing to do with the economic robustness of Canada; just the maintenance of the Good Life for all those elite unionistes.

The Liberals ought to be very worried; if they go ahead with this coalition, they are finished as a separate political party; they would be merged, forever, with the NDP.

This is all starting to look like Germany in the early 30's. After the bloodless coup I wonder when we get the fire at the Reichstag.

Yeah, the good Dr Martin........

He's my local MP, and a maverick. Once a traitor always a traitor? I don't know, but he has shown thru the years, despite his arms length party allegiance, that he's not afraid to go out of step with the status quo of his own party.

Yes, I've e-mailed my concerns to him, as a constituent, that the West abhors allowing separatistes into the halls of power is a move that will never be forgotten, and that governments MUST be elected, not seized via coup.

You never know with Keith, but, there are others like him in the Libs, and the possibilities are out there, that the day a vote is held, they might get a very nasty flu....

Yeah, the good Dr Martin........

He's my local MP, and a maverick. Once a traitor always a traitor? I don't know, but he has shown thru the years, despite his arms length party allegiance, that he's not afraid to go out of step with the status quo of his own party.

Yes, I've e-mailed my concerns to him, as a constituent, that the West abhors allowing separatistes into the halls of power, is a move that will never be forgotten, and that governments MUST be elected, not seized via coup.

You never know with Keith, but, there are others like him in the Libs, and the possibilities are out there, that the day a vote is held, they might get a very nasty flu....

Jackel Layton: "Nothing could be better for our country than to have 50 members who have been elected to separate Quebec...actually helping to make Canada a better place?

Earth to Jackel: they want to destroy Canada, not make it a better place.

how in hell is releasing the tape to the media going to be damaging to the Conservatives?

The NDP is already claiming that the call was illegally recorded and released. They are consulting legal experts to see if the Criminal Code was violated.

Have you forgotten how much furor there was over the Grewal tapes and the Cadman affair?

Stephen, that has got to be the most idiotic comparison anyone could come up with. This coalition would stimulate the economy by destroying it with increased taxes, Canadians have already voted against such a proposition.

"This is all starting to look like Germany in the early 30's."

The Germans dressed better - Hugo Boss did all their men's wear. I think a more likely scenario is Italy back many years ago when they used to change governments once a week, or one of those quaint Latin or South American banana republic schticks.

Hugo Chavez (not Boss) must have some free advice for Jack.

Big surprise, the NDP and leftists such as yourself foaming at the mouth TimR.

Short pier, long walk?

"smart ndp"? Isn't that the same as stupid Canadian?

Who are some Liberals that might throw Dion under the bus and join a "Tory-Blue Grit" coalition? I suspect that several of the GTA Liberals who almost lost to Tories in the last election would be prime targets.

Notice no mention of this fiasco on Iggy's campaign site. No mention on the campaign blog or Twitter accounts.

Harper does not have a Deputy PM? Offer Deputy PM to Iggy and encourage his minions in the House and Senate to sit with the Tories. 9 Liberal defectors, let Casey back into the caucus, and the Independent Arthur would be enough for a majority.

Hey Ed, can I use that?

I feel I must apologize to ET. On an earlier thread I intimated that the inanity of her comments was due to an excessive indulgence in the demon rum. I see now that is not the case, that there is indeed no correlation between the inanity of her posts and her sobriety or lack thereof. Mea culpa.

Hugo Chavez is Proud of Cabaña. The West will not be looted for Ontario or Quebec by these traitorous greedy power hungry imbeciles. Nor will we stand for4 a bogus GW policy rejected. Or companies being pilfered by the NDP. I for one, will never acknowledge Dion as PM.
No election , no real PM. They will have spit on my vote. Not the least of which plotting this premeditatedly, before an election. This is a Junta make no mistake by the left against the EAST for monies. For power to the NDP & who knows how much of Canada has been offered to Quebec separatists. The price to do business with the devil is never cheap with a 100% loss in the end.
How can they possibly think the ROC will go along with a central Canadian coup?
There all mad hatters. Toronto is not Canada. even if they think they are. Wonder now why Westeners did not want a gun registry even an none crooked one? Starts to look plain now does it not?

BTW, sorry to interrupt, but breaking news is that India is about to go nuts on Kashmir and Pakistan, so our new Foreign Minister gets to jump in quick behind Barack for his "P-AHKeestan" strategy.

Wallyj...I had the same thought as I read your comment a couple of minutes ago. The uncanny similarity speaks to the new zeitgeist:

FREE THE WEST

We need a new contest to find the most deranged NDPers that could form a cabinet and highlight their community organizing resumes.

I'm sure it would be entertaining.

Free speaker phone with conference call password for the contest winner.

Kate?

Layton really IS the DEVIL in the details !!

Coalition Of Deceit, Satan & Yawn

Ward, there is no way the GG can allow separatists into the government.

It would be interesting to get Preston Manning's take on all this. He probably knows more about Constitutional Law and Parliamentary procedures than the rest combined.
As far as the three amigos, perhaps they should go ahead and then the impetus for Western Canada to go its own way will be front and center, and we could maybe get rid of Red Ed Stelmach in the process.
This could be a major win in this part of the woods.

Well I hope Jack and the coalition get the election they want and I hope the conservatives, can demonstrate just who wanted it. They already got audio for a commercial.

Unfortunately, the GG owes her existence to the largesse of the former PMPM.

It is not inconceivable that she has a debt to pay to her Liberal masters, and, her separatiste Quebec roots.

The real test of her mettle, and constitutional law, is whether she would grant another election, or overrule the PM, and ask the opposition for a coalition. I won't hazard a guess there, there have been plenty of opinions to that. My ethics dictate that a government MUST be elected, not come to power via coup.

Let the electorate decide!

It's not going to happen, the commie coalition. Even the fools on the left know that the economy will shut down, no investment, and the bank managers will be standing with shotguns at their doors the following Monday. What would they gain? If they try to shove their socialist shit, Canadians will punish them, and punish them good. Some, not many, but some on the left realize creating a false economy leads nowhere. Canaidans will not allow the liberals, ndp or bloc to steal our money for one of their wealth distribution scams.

"The real test of her mettle"

Thank goodness she grew up in a model of constitutional stability, Haiti. Those model experiences will serve her well.

Re: Keith Martin's appearance on CTV...

Sorry for the off-topic note, but did anyone else notice the really large growth over his left eye, near his nose?

Hope it's nothing serious. He often does sensible things in the HoC, such as introducing legislation to repeal Section 13. One of the honest libs.

Bruce, I am not foaming at the mouth and I am certainly not a leftist. I am simply pointing out that the real leftists will be up in arms about the releasing of the tape similar to the time of the Grewal incident. And they will have the media on their side. I think there will be fallout for both Layton and the Conservatives but that's just my opinion.

Manitoba Moose: Brilliant sarcasm!!! You had me ROFL!!!

Dream on TimR, hoist that Kool Aid, drink heartily.

MM

Second's to that!

As I've said before, I am a born and bred Westerner. Stephen Harper is the elected Prime Minister. I will not acknowledge an unelected PM. or any illegal coalition. Yes it sure the fu*k is illegal in my view. I will not obey your coup, but I will fight you, whoever the hell you are.

Long live the Western Republic.

I'm guessing that the Brad refered to at the end of the transcript is Brad Lavigne. He was thoughtful enough to share his email address.

brad@ndp.ca

Posted by: ward at November 30, 2008 4:56 PM

I was hoping for his phone number

I doubt that Jack Layton accidentally gave the conservatives the conferance code. but obviously there is a Dipper inside that realized that democracy was about to be gutted from the inside by a hidden agenda Layton.

jeff davidson :
A perfect name for a revealing post.

By the way Fife is such a gay journalist who always will be. He's so lame even even my dog Lucky with no balls, three legs, one eye, & no tail has more talent & integrity. But even a broken clock you know is good twice a day.

Should Taliban Jack being the brain of this three-headed monster be funny?
Does it strike anyone else as odd that TJ would say Quebec leaving Canada would be good for the country? Even if he believes it, would he say it out loud on a conference call? These things leak like sieves at the best of times.
Is he really that stupid?

I hope this doesn't happen. However my faith in people is limited these days. Don't forget that 60% of the electorate voted for a socialist/communist agenda and the canard of "stimulus package" is blasted over and over again by the media as it was necessary. No matter how many times it failed, most people in this country is inclined to give socialism/communism another try.

Prime Minister Harper will release some ADSCAM news, as soon as he feel it will have it's maximum impact!!

Iggy has good instincs here.
He senses impending disaster for the Librannos (dogh! NOT AGAIN?)He already has his fingers close to his ears, waiting for the kaboom.
Poor Dijon, and DAFFY JACK LAYDOW... won't know what hit'em.
You heard it here first.

Oh and "Jack and Gilles.."
GOOD ONE!!! hahahaha!!

As you were...

I believe that this coalition has been in the works a long time and PMSH knew about it. If my memory is right this idea was floated during the past election and Mr. Dion said he would never consider an alliance with the NDP it would be the ruination of our economy. Or something like that.

I think that the Prime Minister threw the monkey wrench at them with the thought of stopping the $1.95 to get their attention. I am sure he would like to do just that, but it was more to bring them out from under their rocks. This lets all Canadians know what the LIBs/Dips/and BQ are about. Themselves. This was an economic review not a budget. You don't throw billions at companies without looking at their financial statements. I live in an auto community and they have been mismanaging their monies for years. This area has had more recessions than I care to remember. Now the Prime Minister knows full well you don't put the country into a huge deficit by willynilly throwing money at the problem That's what the NDP does.

The Prime Minister knew that the opposition would try to form a coalition government. Did he believe that the GG would go along with it. I don't think so. So, he took that little statement out and will send it out by itself for approval. I believe it will be a confidence motion. Then the citizens can see - for certain what this is all about. The 3 little pigs do not want to lose their trough.

If the GG goes along with this hair brained bloodless coup, you can bet their will be an uproar in Canada and her job along with her office will be on the line. Don't really see the need for her anyways, it is just costing us taxpayers a pile of money.

The Canadians I speak to who are not all Conservative, are absolutely furious at the thought of this unholy alliance with the Bloq. It is tantamount to treason. If this takes place the opposition will sit across the aisle from the Conservatives for a very long time. PMSH will get his majority and we will see a lot more dismantled other than the entitlements. Can hardly wait.

Tim R, why would the media be on the side of Layton?

Do you remember when the media's Elizabeth Thompson reported on a private Conservatives' meeting where the speaker was Frank Lutz, by sitting out in the hallway?

She explained that if they were prepared to let their words be heard out in the hallway, then it was fair game to report.

If the NDP were careless enough to let their words about pretty significant plotting against the elected government of Canada, be heard and recorded, then the truth will be exposed.

What Canadian could sit on that?

Just saw Iggy interviewed on Question Period. He is hedging his bets so doggedly that he doesn't know whether he's coming or going.

When he claims not to know what's going on in the negotiations I started to laugh. I can't believe that he literally out of the loop.

Judging by what we now know about the NDP/Bloc negotiations that have been going on for some time, the idea that the opposition is doing this because of the government's lack of a "stimulus" package is clearly just a smokescreen.

At least two of the parties in the coalition have been in cahoots for a while, and were only waiting to get the third party on board before springing the surprise.

When asked about the details of a coalition stimulus package, Iggy made some remarks about collective bargaining rights for public employees and the lack of equal pay for equal work legislation. What's that got to do with any "stimulus"?

More evidence that the coalition is based on nothing but a grab-bag of contradictory, useless ideas. These clowns are clearly making this up as they go along.

"I'm not privy to any backroom deals".... Michael Ignatieff on Question Period (CTV) Sunday.

I haven't seen it mentioned, but I'd suggest there is a good deal of internal machination going on within the Liberal Pary, with the NDP simply exploiting it for their own gain.

Stephane Dion was deeply wounded on a psychological, personal level by his rejection and the historic loss of Liberal seats on October 14th. This was compounded by his loss of face due to having been forced to back down on six consecutive confidence votes - repeatedly humiliated by Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party.

I believe Dion has been egged on by party insiders -including M. Ignatieff - who see no down side in bringing down the govenment in order to temporarily install Dion. In other words, true to form, Dion's ego has blinded him to the fact that he is again being used as a fall guy by his own party.

A bitter Dion will see this as 'pay back' to the man who destroyed what should rightfully have been his. A last chance pportunity to be, however briefly, the Prime Minister of Canada and the means to strike back at and humiliate his nemisis, Stephen Harper.

Meanwhile, the front man to the media is one Michael Ignatieff, the error apparent (sic) who while claiming "hey, it wasn't me making the deal" believe he will be the beneficiary. Dion may in turn have his personal campaign debt paid, but even without that, I think his deep seated anger and disappointment would drive him to this rash decision.

Liberal politics has always been Machivallian.

Nevermind. That's not what he said.
He's still a twit.

I can't remember the last time I watched CTV's Question Period but I watched it today. Actually it came on after the NFL game I was watching ended. Mensa candidate Craig Oliver was interviewing the federal Minister of Finance, Flaherty. He was on a roll "grilling" the minister about not bringing forth a stimulus package. The Finance Minister reminded Oliver that the government had brought forth several measures that provide for "long-term" stimulus, not just temporary and as an example he mentioned the 2 percentage points cut in the GST.

Then Craig reminded us all that he truly is the idiot many believe him to be. He said, as God is my and alot of other people's witness, "tax cuts don't put money is people's pockets!" He said it, he really did.

The smile on Flaherty's face was big and wide. I'm sure he couldn't believe what he had just heard.

>>As I've said before, I am a born and bred Westerner. Stephen Harper is the elected Prime Minister.
>>I will not acknowledge an unelected PM. or any illegal coalition.
>>Yes it sure the fu*k is illegal in my view.
>>I will not obey your coup, but I will fight you, whoever the hell you are.

>>Long live the Western Republic.

I am a born and bred Easterner, and I too do not consent to be governed by this coalition of socialist bastards.

Here in our little 905-area Ontario town, many of us are actively working on how to stand up to these leftist thugs. Since we sit almost astride North America's busiest highway, some have suggested turning to the local Aboriginals for consultation and advice...

Some thoughts:

First, I mused a day or so ago on an earlier post that perhaps Stephen's aggressive funding cuts were a pre-emptive strike - that he knew the oppo parties were planning a non-confidence vote and he wanted to get them frothing at the mouth and then slowly retreat to a place where they could not vote non-con and expect to get a coalition. (i actually got bit of that plotting-vibe from some of the people I talked to at the winnipeg convention and in the level of vitriol and bluster coming from Warren Kinsella (i.e. higher than normal)

Today's revelation of this tape strengthens my suspicions...

It also demonstrates that the oppo parties are not interested in CDA's best interests but their own. Otherwise why plot with a party that wishes to destroy confederation when nothing has happened?

The key going forward is to not let the oppo parties get the chance to move for a coalition. The likely choice will be to prorogue parliament until the budget in January. A non-con vote on the budget should be enough of an issue for the GG to trigger a new election rather than allow a coalition to takeover. And if the budget is defanged and accomadating enough the oppo parties will back away from the whole idea.

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Clausewitz and others have talked about the fog of war. What we are seeing is the fog of politics. We may not, if ever know the whole story of who knew/planned what and when.

An example of where this has happened in the past is detailed in Robert Caro's biography on LBJ. In it he details all of what happened leading up to the passing of a the civil rights act (ever) in the 50's. Some key players had no idea what actually happened until the book was published in the '90s - they thought LBJ was a dupe when in fact it was they who were taken in.

The same may be happening now - the fox may be the chicken and vice versa - we may never know...

Wow. With the revelation of talks between Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe, this is beginning to be very reminiscent of the conniving, backstabbing and coalition building of 'Survivor'

different bob...My wife made me turn the TV off as she was getting more and more frustrated by the MSM's lies.Thanks for the update.I can't believe Oliver actually said that,it would be funny if it were not so pathetic.

There is plenty we can do to undermine an illegal coalition. First, stockpile canned goods and fill the freezer, starting now. Get involved in the underground economy system. Buy only staples for the duration. Try the bartering system. Forget the stock market it's lousy anyways. Withold your income taxes. Some things are worth fighting for. That's Democracy.

Harper better do a few things:

Cancel the rest of the parliamentary session,

Stack the senate the way Mulroney did (to ensure Dion and Layton don't if they do steal power,)

Ask the queen to recall her governor general and replace her with someone who isn't a leftard separatist.

Barring that, when you westerners separate, take us here in western ontario with you. We aren't Toronto or Ottawa.

And if those scumbags steal the election they just lost, I HOPE for violence.

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Yeah sure, Jacko... we're gonna
let you drive the bus.

In your dreams.

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Andrew Coyne has them stirred up on his blog;

http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/11/30/the-tories-made-them-do-it/#comment-60066

No Guff: I was thinking about Survivor this afternoon as well. I would love another chance to vote a bunch of people off the island.

warwick: I agree woth all of your points save the last one. Demographic trend will do what you desire in time without violence.

Hi

I told you few month ago Obama is new president of united state

then i told you Harper stayed in minority and taht is his last run and may last another year if he is lucky may go to two years

I also told you NDP will come up with new managment and will lead other party soon

still NDP not find their way yet need better direction and leadership
and still i do not like none of them

now i am predicting judges in Ontario need to
changed and we need to have more knowledgable judges who make the order by law not the colour
religion or hate or big company vs small company

this change in hiring new judges is so essential and will change law and order and security for all section in canada will keep Canadian together
not seperated from each other

Hey Warwick I can pick you up on the way to Ottawa.

The Oliver-Flaherty tete-a-tete is posted on the Tass website.

Yeah, my jaw dropped when that old crag Oliver mentioned the 'tax cuts' thing.

Pot.......kettle.........black

The biggest losers in this putsch will be none other than the LPC. Should this go ahead it could well bring about the demise of the LPC as an active political force in Canada. Of course I've heard that the greatest anti-Liberals is one of the brokers of this deal that being one Jean Chretien. Were I a Liberal I would be howling for the head of anyone in leadership who even thinks about joining this disaster in the making.

Listening in on the conference call was Frat Boy politics for sure....but I'll take FratBoyz over Sepertists anyday.

"Mensa candidate Craig Oliver was interviewing"

Its past sunset in the rest of Canada, so once they clear the CTV studio of garlic and silver bullets, its time to roll Craiger out of his crypt and have Captain Ahab pull out his mighty balsawood harpoon to spear his white whale, Stephen Harper.

Mugs,

If the three Chavez wanna-be's succeed in their coup, I may take you up on that one.

I'm surprised the CBC hasn't rolled out journalistic ethics specialist Krista Erickson to analyze the implications of this.

The Tories in Ontario should consider crippling the Canadian economy by taking up the native tactic of blockading highways. 5 or 10 blockades of Highway 401 would get the message across. Canada is worth standing up for.

Chretien had a majority government and acted like a cruel demigog while pillaging the public purse with only 38% of the vote.

Trudeau's largest percentage of votes for his majority government was 41% and decimated Alberta, racked up defecits we are still paying for and created havoc with no opposition allowed.

Liberal goose-Conservative gander????

Also on CTV today,cheers and jeers.Cheers to Broadbent and Chretien for having the compassion and integrity to give up their free time to plot to destroy the country,jeers to all MP's who are running around screaming "WTF is going on?".Thank you Jane and Craig.

Its kind of odd that the Watergate plumbers were done in by tape recordings and now the NDP plumbers are done in by tape recordings. Good luck with the NDP lawsuits, Jack.

BTW, it turns out that Jack had the "real" secret agenda this time. But if Jack didn't hide in his sweatervest, where did he hide it?

quebecois separatist:" We had enough of him [PMSH].

Well, speak for yourself. Frankly, I've had enough of YOU and your Bloc Quebecois. For crying out loud, leave Canada and leave the rest of us alone.

If the Bloc Quebecois needs 86% of its funding provided by the ROC, then it's not really a self-supporting party, is it? It's a parasiste.

NO THANKS.

When NFLD fishermen had their cod quotas cut, they rioted and burned the minister's constituency office.

Just saying.

A government of national unity is what is needed right now. Ignatieff should lead the loyal faction (loyal to Canada, that is) out of the Liberal caucus to meet independently, and that party however named or constituted should support the government for at least the next two years through this financial and looming geopolitical crisis.

This could be the end of the Liberal Party of Canada, and it would be good riddance too. Let the party split, part can join the NDP, and the other part the CPC. This will restore balance to our national politics. We have been too far to the left for the country's good for fifteen years now (some would say forty).

Dion and Layton have succumbed to the illusion that the American election somehow defines our political future. We don't have to charge down that utopian road to nowhere, let's keep our feet on the ground and soldier on with the lesser evil we know, not this evil we also know from our history books.

Any more of this and Dion, Rae, Layton and Duceppe should be kicked out of parliament, don't they all take an oath of loyalty. This is not loyalty, this is sheer opportunism and at the worst possible time. They have no mandate of any kind from the voters. Let's hope Ignatieff has more sanity than the four of them put together.

http://tinyurl.com/5dccja

Video of Flaherty on CTV with Craig Oliver this morning. Jim was bang on this morning.

NDP is considering legal action against the Tories because of this tapping of a private meeting.

I retract all my statements about Canadian politics being boring. This stuff is so absurd and bizzare that I can't help but laugh out loud. Remarkable. And hilarious.

As usual, the NDP is being asses.

You can't whine that someone taped you fricken CONFERENCE CALL!!!

"As for the GG being 'in' on this NDP hidden agenda, I strongly doubt this. That would be treason."

Bwhahahahahahahahha...usually you are right ET...but ROTFLMAO!!! Treason???That word does NOT exist in this farce of a country.Thanks for the chuckle!!
Oh.And my powder is dry and ready to go.You should get some too.

Justthinkin

I'm with you on that. We can't even charge Khadr with treason. Or the GG's husband.

No, the fix would be in unless Harper tried to get the queen to recall her. But of course the leftards can subvert democracy do any and all anti-democratic, weaselly, honourless skulduggery and the media will defend them. Harper can't do the normal business of governing without the scumbag bastard media knifing him.

Central Canada Concept Party - CCCP.

Just what criminal charges are NDP talking about?

Jack Layton is easily the dumbest politician ever in Canada. He had a chance to supplant Grits as second party, but instead has joined them at the funeral pyre.

Next election, whenever it happens, will present a no-brainer for Tories to portray a vote for NDP or Bloc as vote for Liberals. Voters now will weigh the impact of a Harper majority with that of a "progressive" coalition.

How many soft Lib voters will see this as unacceptable, and go for the known quantity, Harper as PM, but this time with majority?

This coalition idea is turning out to be the single worst miscalculation in Canadian political history. They might as well go for the whole thing now. Unfortunately, they will likely get humiliated in parliament, with several Liberals getting a cold, or later when GG does grant dissolution with certitude opposition cannot govern.

Even if one thinks Harper miscalculated with remove vote subsidy legislation, the opposition harpooned themselves with their coalition response, authored by dinosaurs Chretien and Broadbent.

Surely, Dion and Layton must now be jettisoned. Duceppe, once again, has proved himself the top Macchavelian of them all - notice his silence in all this, which I interpret as "no thanks" to Layton offer, ending any chance for viable coalition proposal to take to GG.

Duceppe already knew cooperation with any federalist party would erode his support in Quebec, as it always has.

Maybe the Liberals will abstain.

From the Mop & Pail:

A spokesman for the Prime Minister's Office said there was nothing unethical about covertly listening in to the private NDP deliberations, taping those discussions and releasing them to the media.

An unidentified Tory was “