What am i missing here?
Is not a "healing circle" a Native tradition?
Is it not true that the drunken slob who let his two little girls freeze to death was sentenced to attend just such a program?

I will not comment on this particular incident but home invasions have become far too prevalent in our society. And they don't just happen in the city anymore since a well known radio gardner that lives well out of the city was also a victim a few years ago.

I think that the law should allow any homeowner the right to use maximum force to defend his family/home in any home invasion.

Of course there are probably people who will do that any way, with or without a law.
And good for them.

Personally I have always liked the nice touch of the sign that said 'This premise is guarded by a 357 Magnum five days a week. Its up to you to figure out which five days.'

This kind of crap shouldn't be going on,but wasn't it the Indian chiefs who wanted the Indians to have "justice" given back to them and the old ways? Mr Jago.You want justice,bitch at your band members and quit with the whitey guilt. If we threw these guys in jail,then Mel Buffalo or some other race hustler Indian(sorta like Sharpton et al)would be screaming racist all over CBCPravda.

Post by: rockyt
Personally I have always liked the nice touch of the sign that said 'This premise is guarded by a 357 Magnum five days a week. Its up to you to figure out which five days.'

A lot of us country people grew up in houses with guns hanging on the wall or leaning against the wall, always with in hands reach. You never heard if home invasions then. On the Indian problem, a lot of it hey have brought it upon themselves. It does not excuse the actions of the police, but there is no prior background info to base any good decision in a comment.

"I will not comment on this particular incident but home invasions have become far too prevalent in our society." rockyt
Way back when Canada had no crime; at least we kept no statistics, we had a home invasion. It was just after WW11 and I guess some of the malcontents decided it would be a great time to satisfy some of those women left keeping the home fires burning, willing or not.
There was a loud pounding on our back door about 2:00 AM. He told my Mother (I was about 4+ at the time)to let him in and satisfy his described cravings or he would kill her kids.
As he proceeded to bash the door in, Mom took my Fathers Cooey bolt action repeater out of the hall closet. She proceeded to load it, but it was one of those tube magazine things and she dropped several cartridges on the floor but managed to get a couple in. She worked the bolt just as the door came crashing open. The dufus stood there staring at a small woman standing in a scattering of cartridges on the floor and then down the barrel of the gun. "A gun"; he grunted. "Yes, and my husband taught me how to use it"; Mom replied. He was gone into the night in an instant.
The next day when the Police arrived, Mom was faced with disbelief. She pointed to the splintered door and said; "then what the h*ll caused that". They were very good about taking down all the particulars and left Mom with this advice; keep the gun handy, he'll probably be back.
Just try that today.

Sorry but there is no evidence that the "healing circle" was ever an Indian tradition. It has more the makings of someone burdened with white man's guilt complex and modern sociology.

Actually in truly traditional Indian societies such crimes would not have been tolerated. One severe punishment was total banishment - which spelled death. With true banishment being impossible in our populated land with modern transportation, may I suggest that the standard criminal code be applied like it is for all other offenders.

Time for indians to get the hell off Reservations and live among us. Best for all concerned.
The Reservation system is a sink hole for government money, our tax dollars that is.
It's a Fiefdom for the Chiefs and pure rot for "their" people. It's a National disgrace and as antiquated as the horse and buggy era.

I really hate to bring this up, but isn't this the sort of thing the HRCs were originally set up to deal with?

Anyway, good luck getting any satisfaction out of the Mounties. They've sunk to some real lows over the last few years.

We give these first nation people free food, free housing, free medical, no taxes, self government and all kinds of other cash and prizes because these people are natives.

And this guy wants to blame Whitey because his people can't enforce justice, and we should do that for him too.

I hate liberals too...but they are not the cause of the crap going on at the rez. They may be enabling the incest, the arson and drug abuse - but the guys doing the actual damage are natives.

I don't have any more sympathy for them than I do for liberals that get burned by the justice system.

Man, some of you are dumb.

Where is he blaming anybody but a liberal system of justice that doesn't punish offenders?

Makes me want to say the "R" word.

Why is it a reservation problem? Why is it an indian problem? It's a cop problem, stupid.

Yukon,

Some reflexive conservatives are dumb.

Like Jim? You're stupid.

"""""Why is it a reservation problem? Why is it an indian problem? It's a cop problem, stupid."""""

sat what?????

it's a rez problem, pure and simple

cops were wrong in their handling of this file, but some times people (cops) get sick and tired of the same old, same old. This also used to (and still does) creep up in domestics and the sex trade law enforcement. People should some times just look at the situations they create, or enable, or just tolerate out of convenience and/or stupidity and take corrective measures, like leave the rez!!

Gotta second the last comment. Here is an Indian who wants standard justice, to be treated like everyone else, a CONSERVATIVE!!! and people can't get past "Indian" before they start typing some pretty stupid stuff. The "R" word? Maybe not, but certainly some pre-conceived, stereotypical notions pouring through.

"And this guy wants to blame Whitey because his people can't enforce justice, and we should do that for him too."

WTF Jim. Enforcing justice is a federal responsibility, and the RCMP is supposed to deal justly with ALL Canadians without fear of favour. If Iago's story is true, he's a victim, and you're blaming the victim - apparently because you've got a hard-on for Indians.

I tend to believe the story because there's nothing new in it. I worked up north many years ago, well before the force became as haywire as it is now, and I know that some of our finest used to beat the living crap out of Indians just because they could. I was just a punk teenager and powerless to do anything about it.

Yeah, the RCMP aren't ever called onto the reserve to investigate a "home invasion" only to find a crowd of drunken Indians pounding the piss out of one another. Never happens.

A nurse friend of mind who worked in two Native communities for two years never ever saw groups of drunken Natives kicking in doors and what not to get in to other houses. Never. Never had the cops beat on his door in the middle of the night and ask him to accompany them to another "home invasion" in order to triage and treat people.

/sarc

Look, I'm not saying Mr. Jago is lying, nor am I excusing the conduct of the RCMP, assuming Mr. Jago's version of the incident is the full truth. They should do their best to objectively assess every situation.

What I am saying is that there's a pile of history and circumstances leading up to this event that aren't being spoken of. Doesn't excuse the conduct of the cops, but it's not fair to consider the ordeal of Mr. Jago's family in a vacuum.

Alain, you are right. I didnt realize that.
I looked it up and "healing circles" began in Manitoba (not sure when) but it was developed by Native Elders among others.
If I understand Mr. Jago's complaint, its that the healing circle was used instead of ordinary justice.
Thata what one could call an "unintended consequence".
Some of these programs just arent thought through all the way.

"I think that the law should allow any homeowner the right to use maximum force to defend his family/home in any home invasion."

Any law that would prevent self-defense is obscene.

Yes Stamps are Champs

I can not believe Sask fans hoped for Montreal.

Grey cup in Calgary next year. I think the riders will not make the playoff next year QB problemsLOL

Yes Stamps are Champs

I can not believe Sask fans hoped for Montreal.

Grey cup in Calgary next year. I think the riders will not make the playoff next year QB problemsLOL

I wish they'd used a healing circle back in my day.

Sadly, it's sort of a no-win situation. A lot of wrong was done to natives a long time ago, no doubt, and the reserve system must have seemed like a workable solution at the time, albeit don't know if long term thinking was really a consideration. However, fast forward over one hundred years, and reserves near larger urban populations have obvious advantages over those that are remote. The remote reserves - well, what is their future? Unless individuals are willing to accept a very low standard of living there - it just won't work. Three heroes of mine are Chief Crowfoot, Poundmaker, and Big Bear. The first two especially. . . . . . .

Taken at face value I'd say his brother got screwed, but really, what does he want the government to do? He needs to be yelling at the band council and Assembly of First Nations types. They're the other side of that liberal wet dream.
If Harper tried to interfere in native justice the cries of rascist would be heard all the way to the U.N.
If the reservation isn't safe to live on, move off of it. Katzie First Nation isn't exactly in the middle of nowhere.

I already posted a comment at Jango's site but here is the gist of it:

"Were I you I would go to the healing circle and go Roman (or Ezra) on the buggers. Take a video camera and put it up on You Tube. Tape the whole damn thing and make sure you have a second camera concealed because they are really, really, going to hate the camera thing."

There is nothing like the light of publicity to make the bastards fade into the woodwork...think cockroach.

Great comment from this Robert Jago!

He’s right on the money about how out of touch these liberal elitists and one world hippy’s are with reality.

I disagree with his “white, black, Chinese” comments as preferred treatment though. Everyone gets a bum rap in this society in one form or another. Each has a different grievance but all have a common enemy “the race based liberal nuts”.

Does'nt get any more racist than the liberal elite creating a separate justice system for natives. Might a well tell them they are too stupid to take responsiblity for their actions, so they might as well sit in circles and whine about how bad they have it. You really would have to be stupid to believe that even came clost to resembling justice.

It's like a broken record going round.

Racism....racism....racism...

Fah! Natives have those stupid circle jerks because Whitey's justice was supposedly racist. Now they have their own justice system, it's all Whitey's fault again for letting them administer their own justice. Now we see some supposedly conservative people buying into the white man's guilt bullchit.

I am not forcing natives to do crimes on their reservations. I am not forcing them to do drugs, molest their children, or drink too much. They do all those things themselves and we know that they do because they have told us so much themselves.

Are all people really created equal or not?

Free housing, free education, affirmative hiring policies in Albertas oilpatch, and so on, and so on. And STILL problems...

Maybe a few lessons on hard work, and lifting ONE'S SELF up by your bootstraps is in order. Nothing like the SATISFACTION of EARNING what you get, to improve ones self image and confidence.

I know personally a treaty lady from Collingwood Ontario. 40 something. Got a couple of degrees.
She's RETIRED, and spent tis summer on a Harley in Mexico. Just lucky I guess?

Other than that, I don't have any radical magic solution. Is there such a thing?