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November 23, 2008

The Man From Hope And Crawford

Combining the Clinton White House with the Bush tax cuts.

[F]inally, the day will come, and the first thing Obama will do is…not touch the Bush tax cuts. In addition to proposing a "vast economic stimulus plan," the Times news pages report today, Obama is "said to be reconsidering a key campaign pledge: his proposal to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. According to several people familiar with the discussions, he might instead let those tax cuts expire as scheduled in 2011, effectively delaying any tax increase while he gives his stimulus plan a chance to work."

Heh. Is there nothing that Obama can't do?

I wonder how many loyal Democrats realized during the heated battles of the primaries that they were making a choice between Hillary and Hillary?

Posted by Kate at November 23, 2008 11:40 AM
Comments

The Obama media honeymoon might end even before his inaugeration.

Posted by: Eskimo at November 23, 2008 12:07 PM

Looks like Obama is more comfortable having Hillary of Clinton in his loop than out of it.

Posted by: Liz J at November 23, 2008 12:25 PM

"So that was all the election was about? Just new faces on the same old, same old?"

Of course. Only the very young and terminally naive believed different.

How many politicians have promised "change", damned near all of them, and "transparency", another favourite buzz word?

Have any of them actually delivered, well, I guess it depends on your definition of "change".

The only change I can see is the face of the man in charge, younger looking, less worry wrinkles, for now. Wait four years, and another "fresh, new face" will call for "change",or maybe "change and renewal", or whatever the current trend demands in 2012.

Posted by: dmorris at November 23, 2008 12:36 PM

Ahhh, 'reconsidering'.
What is the meaning of this strange new word?

Posted by: Stan at November 23, 2008 12:37 PM

Okay, but like, Obama will definitely keep his promise and get rid of lobbyists. Hencefarce the influence peddlers formerly known as lobbyists will be called "like really experienced people who gave Democrats money to get elected and then let them, like, help Democrats decide what to do".

Posted by: EyesWideShut at November 23, 2008 1:01 PM

Come on Kate. Wait until the guy has governed for a few days before you begin this nonsense. Don't you have hockey masks waiting to be painted?

Posted by: Shane O'Rourke at November 23, 2008 1:02 PM

Shane, the guy isn't going to be governing, the Clintonites are, when they're not fighting for control of the DNC. Get with the pogram.

Posted by: Skip at November 23, 2008 1:05 PM

"How many politicians have promised "change", damned near all of them, and "transparency", another favourite buzz word?

Have any of them actually delivered, well, I guess it depends on your definition of "change"."

Actually, dmorris, i can think of one.
The Governor of Alaska.

Posted by: Lee at November 23, 2008 1:08 PM

who'da thunked?????


now every one go git a tan, erm...1/2 tan, and the change will be had!!!!!

Posted by: GYM at November 23, 2008 1:33 PM

Don't you like "change" you can recognize?

Posted by: a different bob at November 23, 2008 1:42 PM

I didn't realize the change Obama talked about in the election was a change back to Clinton adminstration.
How foolish of me to believe something else.

Posted by: Orville at November 23, 2008 1:52 PM

Eskimo writes: "The Obama media honeymoon might end even before his inaugeration."

Not a chance. This one will run and run.

Some of the president-elect's loopier fans may be disappointed, but the media, who tried consistently to play down their candidate's association with fringe elements, will be just as happy. Hillary's ideas and policies and associates were fine with the media, but Obama was just so young, so smooth, so exotic, so black.... The media will continue to maintain the honeymoon, no matter how often they are cheated on, condescended to, or bruised.

Posted by: Roseberry at November 23, 2008 2:04 PM

As much as I hate to say this, the best thing that happened was for McSame to lose to this guy. The dems have nothing new to really offer. They will maintain the tax cuts, take their time getting out of Iraq, deploy additional troops in Afganistan, facilitate some lame stimulus package to boost the economy short term and in general be an adminstation of Clinton redux. Michelle better be on the look out for any overweight intern in a blue dress.

Mean time, the Rebuplicans can start to examine their current malaise, return to their Reagan traditions of small government, low taxation and individual liberty. If they get this right, they have a shot at the midterms and a real shot at the presidency in 2012. Now that would be real change I could believe in.

Posted by: Brian Mallard at November 23, 2008 2:15 PM

Watch for the Clinton creep. I actually hope Obama is all puff & stuff.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at November 23, 2008 2:25 PM

Shane, Sarah Palin is no longer running for VP. Perhaps, along with giving O a few days 'ruling' the country before judging him, people could also leave off attacking Sarah until she runs for something again, unless the criticism stems directly from her performance as Governor of Alaska.
Slightly OT: If Hillary becomes SOS, when does she have to give up her Senate seat? My understanding of the process is that the Governor of New York gets to choose her successor until her seat comes up for re-election. Since the Governor of New York is a Democrat, I assume that he will appoint a Democrat, but who knows? Also, Obama has given up his Senate seat. So there are two senate seats now up for grabs. Are there likely to be any surprises there?

Posted by: itlog98 at November 23, 2008 2:32 PM

itlog98-

While milage varies, most States have succession rules. New York will get an appointee, probably Cuomo, unless the Governor has decided not to run again.

The key appointment is Nepolitano. She will be replaced by the Lt.Governor, a republican. After McCain is picked, he can then appoint a republican to McCain's seat. Without Nepolitano going first, we would have ended up with an appointed Dem Senator, possibly giving them a 60 seat majority.

Posted by: IanV at November 23, 2008 3:11 PM

Obama never did have a hope (scuse the term) of delivering on his election promises, which include...

1. Major increases in social spending.

2. Tax cuts for "almost everyone".

3. Reduce the budget deficit by half in 4 years.

With the economy slowing down and baby boomers starting to hit retirement age in two years (and beginning to draw on their entitlements), Obama's promises were always a fantastic - although critically acclaimed - work of fiction.

Obama has never actually run anything. I wonder if he realizes that the numbers don't add up. Or does he expect, once he's in office, that financial miracles will occur, and leprechauns will dance on the White House lawn?

Posted by: rabbit at November 23, 2008 3:41 PM

Thanks Ian.
I'm still not clear about what's happening in the Senate. Did McCain have to resign his Senate seat when he won the nomination? If so, why did Obama wait until after he was elected to resign his seat? It seems as if, had he lost, he would have still retained his Senate seat.

Posted by: itlog98 at November 23, 2008 3:42 PM

Obama never did have a hope (scuse the term) of delivering on his election promises, which include...

1. Major increases in social spending.

2. Tax cuts for "almost everyone".

3. Reduce the budget deficit by half in 4 years.

With the economy slowing down and baby boomers starting to hit retirement age in two years (and beginning to draw on their entitlements), Obama's promises were always a fantastic - although critically acclaimed - work of fiction.

Obama has never actually run anything. I wonder if he realizes that the numbers don't add up. Or does he expect, once he's in office, that financial miracles will occur, and leprechauns will dance on the White House lawn?

Posted by: rabbit at November 23, 2008 3:43 PM

O/T but has anybody noticed that it's Grey Cup Sunday and that the Riders aren't playing?

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 23, 2008 3:54 PM

Re: Richard Evans

O/T but has anybody noticed that it's Grey Cup Sunday and that the Riders aren't playing?

Dick, did your mother name you Richard at birth or did she know you for a while?

Posted by: EyesWideShut at November 23, 2008 3:58 PM

What's that rumbling sound?
Is that Chris Mathew's leg tingling in the distance?

Posted by: Stan at November 23, 2008 4:23 PM

Remaining solidky OT, I'll be watching the Redskins/Seahawks game instead of the Grey Cup since I'm not subscribed to TSN. Apparently people who live in rural Alberta where there is no access to cable service will have to catch the game on the radio (how 1950s!) It's one of the signature events in our national culture. Couldn't they have arranged for it to be available to everyone? I have no quarrel with regular season CFL games being carried on TSN, but surely the Grey Cup game ...

Posted by: itlog98 at November 23, 2008 4:37 PM

itlog98,

None of the 4 Senators in the race for Pres. or VP resigned to run.

Obama resigned his Senate seat last week but Biden hasn't said when he'll resign; apparently, how the successor will be chosen has something to do with when his seat becomes vacant. If HRC becomes SoS, she'll have to resign her Senate seat as well but I'm not clear on whether she has to resign before or after confirmation. McCain picked up in the Senate where he left off.

Posted by: Kathryn at November 23, 2008 4:37 PM

Perhaps Obama is a student of Lyndon Johnson who famously said of J. Edgar Hoover: "I'd rather have him inside the tent, pissing out, than outside the tent, pissing in".

Posted by: felis corpulentis at November 23, 2008 4:43 PM

If you count McCain, our choice was Dark Hillary, Blonde Hillary, or Grey Head Hillary.

Posted by: Tim in Vermont at November 23, 2008 6:06 PM

The Democratic party can't afford to look to activist-driven right now: that implies unstable, changing, and unpredictable.

All three of those words are adjectives that need to stay far, far away from Wall Street. And descriptions of the presidency do affect confidence in the stock market.

I think Hillary adds - as colloquial as this sounds - a "mom" element to the whole situation. She would probably find that particular descriptor of her capabilities and strengths woefully inadequate, but it sums up well the psychological dimension of creating an administration that communicates stability, safety, and familiarity. The leftist illuminati disillusioned with Obama's "centrist" choices should keep in mind that in general, the public, even if they don't like Hillary, respect her.

Posted by: conservativechic at November 23, 2008 8:18 PM

funny I see brent skowkroft, colin powel , and this morning, james baker all getting on board with obama and complimening the choice of hillary at state. funny thing about the clintons is, you take away the blow jobs, gays in the military and health care refiorm and youre left with a more compitent version of centerists republicanism ah la george w. bush's dad-frankly, bill clinton was the most succesful real republican president since nixon. purty funny that most of you are to stupid and full of hate to see whats really going on and why it's probably the best all around direction we can go right now-did you really want a ubnstable jon mccain hurling nukes at the ruissian? sad that for you, conservatism really means radical neo fascism and hate, instead of ya know...compitent conservatism, which is really what obabma's offering. I think james baker called it "right of center" this morning.

Posted by: harumph at November 23, 2008 8:47 PM

'full of hate'??
please, harumph, after 8 years of 7/24 Bush Derangement Syndrome, would you deny us the fun of watching with amusement the unraveling of the Obama myth?
Can you not distinguish between hatred and ridicule? I suppose not. This is simply a manifestation of the Principle of Leftist Humourlessness. I fully intend to enjoy the next four years to the utmost. Better than Saturday Night Live or even South Park. :-)

Posted by: itlog98 at November 23, 2008 9:31 PM

harumph


what you said


and


exactly what the big O promised


change in everyone's pockets, cuz that's all they will have left, right????

Posted by: GYM at November 23, 2008 9:39 PM

Dick, did your mother name you Richard at birth or did she know you for a while?

Dude, pull the pole out of your butt. The comment I made was nothing more than good-natured, friendly banter in regards to a football game. If you see it as anything more than that, I'd suggest you join a support group.

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 23, 2008 11:45 PM

If I were a higher-up in the U.S. Military I would get a young Hollywood TV producer to create a new daily TV show called "Da Prez". It would be done in Mokumentary [sic] style and emulate what the happenings of the First African American president.

The thing is though, without telling anyone, they would secretly start following the instructions of the actors on the show, rather than the "actors" in the White House after Jan 20th.

We'd probably be a lot better off, watching Art Imitate Life!

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver, BC) at November 24, 2008 12:23 AM

Better Hillary vs Hillary than Hillary vs Robert Mugabe.

Posted by: John Lewis at November 24, 2008 3:01 PM
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