One way to stop global warming is to switch to leaner ground beef for the burgers. Fewer flareups.

The weather station is too far away from the BBQ to have any affect on its sensors.

Heavily photo-shopped = bullshit

Then how about the driveway, stone walls and buildings der stirred? Think maybe they might cause some incorrect readings, especially as winter rolls around.

And please, the evidence for the photo shopping???

say could you toss another sensor on the barbie?

AtlanticJim,

I’m with SDA in that global warming is fear-mongering by people who really don’t have a clue. However, SDA is trying to make a case with information that can neither be proved nor disproved. The image posted has had its contrast, hue, saturation and brightness altered. If you don’t believe me just ask Kate.

And you're an idiot who apparently doesn't know how to follow links.

Let me help:

http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_itemId=4486

Here are the requirements for a temperature station to be rated as properly set up:

http://surfacestations.org/

"Class 1 - Flat and horizontal ground surrounded by a clear surface with a slope below 1/3 (Sensors located at least 100 meters from artificial heating or reflecting surfaces, such as buildings, concrete surfaces, and parking lots. Far from large bodies of water, except if it is representative of the area, and then located at least 100 meters away. No shading when the sun elevation >3 degrees."

Ahh, sorry, the bbq will have an affect on the sensors.

These morons are measuring accuracy to decimals places for their temperatures and convective and radiation heat transfer are still laws of phsyics, unless Al Gore has gotten those outlawed too.

Ever see a hot water radiator used for home heating?

"The image posted has had its contrast, hue, saturation and brightness altered. "

All factors which effects the readings from the station? Climate change from Photoshop! Time to stir up a few brain cells dude. When it comes to climate readings it is all about location, location, location.

'not stirred' is a moby.

Ok, good, it was not just me wondering what the hell contrast and hue had to do with temperature readings......

Ah, another barbecue. I love barbecues next to NOAA temperature stations. They are so great to grill environazi trolls on.

A bit of grilled troll anyone? Its been marinating in hate-juice for a while now by the looks of its posts, should be juuuust right.

Hey Folks,

Why don’t you save yourself a lot of time and just go to:

http://www.surfacestations.org/odd_sites.htm

There are numerous unaltered images of miss-applications of real Class 1 temperature stations.

Grilled crow anyone?

Not sure what 'not stirred' is yapping about.

This site is yet another clear example of poor site placement that is used to get the "average temperature".

This wouldn't be a Class 1 station

http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_itemId=39629 is better picture of it.

I believe it would be a Class 5, based on the proximity to the BBQ and house.

Hey ... no problem. The BBQ is properly calibrated !

Clearly they thought they were putting up a bird house.

This is hilarious. So much for accurate temperature readings.

As was said earlier; colour and hue are NOT the issue. Having a BBQ 2 feet from an official temperature starion is.

If you look at Anthony Watts' websites, it soon becomes very obvious that this whole "global warming" scam has been perpetrated with very little regard for real science. The work that Anthony and his friends are doing now should have been done before any credence was given to the temperature records from ground monitors. He has found that most of the ground stations are improperly sited and maintained. Many have been moved in close to buildings so that they could be more easily connected to computers. Many are next to airport runways and in urban areas that used to be out in the country. Quite a few are next to AC equipment or barbecues. The worst of the lot may be the monitors up on rooftops. It looks as if no effort has been taken to set up a cohesive system of temperature measurement in this country, and I bet the rest of the world is even worse. Now Hansen and Gore and their ilk want us to cripple our economy to save the world from this phony warming they have "found." It's too bad the news media are not capable of covering this issue fairly, but that will not happen. If you want a laugh, look up the science requirement for a journalism degree. There is none.

Mike Kelley,

What's the science requirement for a blogger?

Yes, but almost certainly the appropriate "correction" has been applied. NOAA would have been informed as to wether the BBQ was gas or briquet surely. Oh, and one burner or two.
Personally I like to BBQ fish until my weather station temperature reading rises by about 4 deg for eight minutes. Hamburger takes longer -- eight degrees until done -- much better than those crude BBQ thermometers.

Science requirements for a blogger ? And the fire hose volume of advice from the commenters ? (Of whom she confides in)

Check out sda mini survey of June 4th 2007

Of 633 responses;

61 engineers
47 computer programmers/consultants/system analysts
46 management
36 military
31 educators
28 scientists
28 small business
and many, many more - covering all walks of life.

ron in kelowna,

Thank you for the survey results.

As I’m a self-styled critic of everything right wing the objects of my initiative rarely communicate honestly with me. They are so deeply imbedded in their ideology they can’t understand the logic from the other side even if it slapped them in the face. The humourless riffing going on in this thread is an example.

Another good example is that nobody ever questions the source of Kate’s topics, they just blindly cajole each other. I’m an educated professional running a medium sized organization and as result know there is miss-information at every turn. If I didn’t take the time to examine it thoroughly a lot of people would be without a job.

Forget the grilled troll... too bitter & twisted. Although, maybe if you shoved a can of beer up the troll you can cook them like beer can chicken...

Forget the grilled troll... too bitter & twisted.

I didn't see any comments from mazz2 in this thread.

not stirred = 1 complete moron. Thank you very much for attending the form. When links are supplied please follow and then comment.

The troll said: "I’m an educated professional running a medium sized organization..."

More likely you're a 16 year old trolling "The Enemy" on a Pentium 3 in mom's basement. Also likely you're new/real/haye/mos/blahblahblah in yet another troll suit. Closet getting full?

Funny how the faux broken English seems to come and go though. I suspect brain damage.

Not stirred, what does miss-information do in your company, enquiring minds want to know?

"If I didn’t take the time to examine it thoroughly a lot of people would be without a job."

Yes, your thoroughness is clearly evident by your chattering instead of following the provided links.

Missed the BBQ, tree, house for the color and hue, eh? ... and yes, the very simple message - garbage in, garbage out.

Looks like in spite of you, a lot of people have a job.

that's a nice looking cherry(crabapple?) tree

Naw.I agree with unstirred.That thar is one of them new-fangled cold fusion barbies that irradiate your meat til done, without heat.And donchya bunch of knuckle draggers know,asphalt absorbs heat,but as John Cross would say,it doesn't radiate it back. Some foolishness about heat transfer or something.God the Goreacle Cult is dense.

Bam ... the martini.

I'm familiar with all these issues and I think the truth lies pretty close to the right side of this debate, not the left side. It's true that there are many weather stations with unsuitable exposure and poorly blended site changes that tend to favour the AGW conclusions. It's also true that there's a rather modest degree of warming in the recent past in the subarctic. However, that has been magnified to the nth degree as if it were the end of civilization just because it nowadays warms up above freezing about a week earlier in places so far north that they can't afford vowels for their names.

Once we lose this month from the data that represents the past, a lot of this global warming will go away (Jan 1950) -- have a look at these temperatures at Red Deer, AB ... it was even colder than this at Grande Prairie (like -62 F on the old scale, no wind chill either).

http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climateData/dailydata_e.html?timeframe=1&Prov=XX&StationID=2134&Year=1950&Month=1&Day=1

This one month alone is almost enough to set a lower baseline for later data. But once you get below a certain temperature in western Canada, it's just plain cold and the earth's ecosphere does not change other than half of the fruit trees in southern BC died off in this brutally cold winter. The point is this -- the changes they talk about in such hushed tones are nothing we haven't seen before. If we had another winter like that one in 2008-09 (and we are overdue) then it would wipe out a lot of that 1 C degree we've put in the bank since 1980. The winter of 1968-69 was about as cold too. When you take a few of those out of the comparisons, the climate change becomes virtually non-existent.

It's like saying the 1971-72 Bruins were all world class players when actually three were and the other guys got lucky.

They are so deeply imbedded in their ideology they can’t understand the logic from the other side

As I’m a self-styled critic of everything right wing

They are so deeply imbedded in their ideology they can’t understand the logic from the other side

Everything????

I'm sure that in the scientific method. So people looking at thew sites that are fraudulent are imbued with ideology but the person who just criticizes others for being on the wrong side isn't.

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, you should write for Monty Python, not stirred

Winnipeg the forks is also off in it's placement but maybe if you adjust the contrast to see it better it isn't.

If surface stations is posting fraudulent pics maybe not stirred can link to the real pics that show it conforms and is well away from buildings, asphalt, etc, etc.

So, what's the problem now with this sensor no one cares about???