The money line is Steyn's Post Script.

Excellent response (as usual) from Mr. Steyn

Oh, but it gets even stupider as you look into Miller's past "free speech" positions..

http://searchingforliberty.blogspot.com/2008/11/apparently-mark-steyn-should-be.html

Steyn's entire post is a money line!

Ezra doesn't fight fair? Fair? This is freedom of expression we are talking about. There is no fair. There is only win.

Oh, btw, "fighting fair" - like having the CHRC become a tool where only attacking the political right is acceptable? Where CBC is the de facto voice of the Liberal Party of Canada, on the tax payers' dime? Where "higher learning" so often is translated into "left-leaning intollerant indoctrination"?

Pardon me as a don't shed a tear Miller.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! "

http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html

Fighting fair is for losers.

I think this can best be summed up in two words:

Oh, snap.

Ezra Light ?

now Im offended. some of us are way right of Ezra.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

This Miller charactor is one fine piece of work. His trying to slam all the writers and bloggers of the right in one article is truely pathetic. At least the trolls that float by and quote stats from wiki, try to find facts, even if it isn't a vetted site.

The Fairness Doctrine is coming!

The Great O, our dear leader, will see to it. First, talk radio. Then, the internet. The rest of the MSM, except Fox news, need not be "taken care of"(Cost saving?).

Soon, Kate will have to share SDA with a counterview on each of her Threads. Cherniak or Red Tory, Kate? ;-)

Each of us right wing peons who will want to post a comment will do so in intervals with the likes of Devin, John Cross, Iberia etc...This will of course all be moderated by the new blog police, another job creation of our dear world leader.

Is there anything Obama can't do? : Is this still OK to write or is it "not fair".

Now there's a lesson for the learned Professor, good take down too, bloody well deserved.

Maybe he can find it within himself to apologize.

There are no clauses in the Canadian Charter of rights and Freedoms, (or USA's Constitution, French Constitution etc etc.) that says that free speech is limited to the "politically correct." I hold no degree in journalism, however I do know this. Sometimes a spade is just a spade.

This thread should be advertised to all the students at Ryerson so they can realize what a dufus their professor is.

Lack of credibility will be his biggest problem going forward.

And you wonder why journalism has gone down the crapper. With this idiot actually attempting to teach our future journalists no wonder they are all pretty bad. Wow...!!!

PS: Another CDN constitutional challenge on this issue is long overdue!

For those of us labouring in the belly of the academic beast, Steyn's dismantling of The Journalism Doctor (not to mention Rob Harvie's recollection of John Miller's ignominious performance as a department chair at Ryerson)brings both delight and dread. We all have colleagues (too many colleagues) whose arguments are as fatuous and reputations as inflated as John Miller's, and it warms the heart to see someone call them out on their nonsense. We wish it would happen more often. We wish we had the courage to do it more often ourselves.

At the same time, we know that the work of good teachers, serious scholars, and men and women of integrity is dependent, at least in Canada, on the support of both those who attend our institutions, sponsor our research, and those governments who subsidize our operations. There are hard times ahead for universities, at least in the short run, and the attention focused on The Journalism Doctor may, for many people, diminish us all.

There is no doubt that universities bring much public opprobrium on themselves through their indulgence, not of academic freedom, but of unscholarly behaviour. We all bear, to a greater or lesser degree, responsibility for our Ward Churchills, John Millers, and others, and we have not really had to face up to that responsibility yet.

The real proof of his intelligence (or lack of) is his willingness to mix it up with Mark Steyn. Maybe he'd like to enter a biker bar and start calling them names, as well. You're way out of your weight class here, 'perfesser'.

I cynically ask why, that when a lefty gets the pee hammered out of them, for insipid drivel, they claim that it’s unfair.

However, if “we” the right, complain about some of the misleading bull that the lefty’s spew, we are told that we are not progressive enough to see the issue.

I can’t call it a double standard,

It seems more like an excuse for a big smashing shot of unacceptable reality

I cynically ask why, that when a lefty gets the pee hammered out of them, for insipid drivel, they claim that it’s unfair.

However, if “we” the right, complain about some of the misleading bull that the lefty’s spew, we are told that we are not progressive enough to see the issue.

I can’t call it a double standard,

It seems more like an excuse for a big smashing shot of unacceptable reality

robin:

Then don't let others define you.

Stand up for your rights. Don't give up the fight.

Is it any wonder why "journalists" are largely laughed at in the real world? With "professors" like this idiot, the whole profession should be deep sixed. One wonders how many "journalists" have been taught by this ignoramus.

Great reading. The professor counters witty and sarcastic with whining and complaining about the great angry right-wing conspiracy.

In my experience, nothing ticks off an expert more than being out-done by someone they consider a lesser being. The good thing is that they usually withdraw in embarrassment for a good long while to heal their wounded ego.

Ezra 'wielded the laptop like a weapon'.

Nice. Miller's able to combine demonstrated ignorance with the audition of becoming a victim.

Home run for leftists everywhere.

deborah gyapong's source is a website promoting the prophet of doom, a self-published book by craig winn. did he translate khomeini's "blue book" or did someone else?

the answer is :

This version of The Little Green Book, is a translation done by Harold Salemson, whose source was a French translation of the Ayatollah’s fatawah compiled by a Persian named Jean-Marie Xaviere

craig winn's motives are clear but who the devil are harold salemson or jean-marie xaviere? a google search doesn't provide much insight into either individuals credentials.by the time winn gets his hands on things, it's been translated two times by individuals no one knows a thing about.

(btw, winn also wrote that "No nation on earth has been more hostile to Israel's survival than the United States. While that may sound inconsistent, American politicians give lip service to Israel while consistently funding and equipping her enemies. )

steyn uses deceased Italian journalist and author Oriana Fallaci's book, " The Force of Reason" as his source of proof for the whole muslims shagging sheep stuff. steyn asks professor miller whether he thinks fallaci simply made it up?

the problem is, she could have.fallaci made a number of bizarre and simply false claims in her book. from a literary review of The Force of Reason:

She claims that 85 per cent of blacks in America have converted to Islam, whereas the true figure is just under 10 per cent.

She blames Muslims for the murder of Dutch politician Wim Fortuyn, who was, in fact, killed by a Christian Dutchman, not a Muslim.

She also claims hat 50 per cent of all births in the French port city of Marseilles are Muslims. The registrar of births in Marseilles, however, tells us that the true figure is around 14 per cent.

fallaci interviewed khomeini in 1979:

Although the interview, done in Fallaci's characteristically provocative style does not reflect it, she told TIME last week that she was impressed by Khomeini's great dignity and splendid bearing It was the first time that I have ever felt charisma." She was surprised by "the difference between the reality I saw there surrounding the Ayatullah and the way the Western press reports on him. The reality is that the people want him."

at the end of the day, i have no idea whether khomeini wrote about shagging sheep and how to best dispose of the meat afterwards. the problem is, after a reasonable amount of research, i don't think steyn, levant or gyapong really know either.
and that.. was miller's whole point.

saying something simply because you can doesn't do much for the cause of free speech but it provides a nice smokescreen when you lack the facts.

I love how he wraps it up:

"I posted to his blogsite, correcting what he had told the crowd at the Halifax panel as he wielded his laptop at me like a weapon.

So far he’s refused to put it up.

So much for this so-called champion of the unfettered right to freedom of speech."

Apparently Miller believes that "Free Speech" means other people have to let you spout your garbage in their forum. I'm not a lawyer or a journalist, but even I understand that free speech means that the government doesn't persecute you for expressing your opinions. Maybe he's been hanging out with the infamous Sock Puppets!

Is it just me or does the left lack a sense of humor? Years ago a Stanford professor took on my father first over civil war trivia and then on the Viet Nam war. Dad has no college but his memory is nearly photographic and is critical thinking skills are very robust. Needless to say, the professor was verbally pummelled to within an inch of his life. He finally told the room at large that one can't argue with someone without an education and left. Hahahahahaha.

Maybe this is why he believes in censorship

http://www.rrj.ca/issue/1996/spring/218/

A "Prostitute prof"? Toronto's scandal-hungry tabloid couldn't have invented a better hook. But reviewing the true story, who was really guilty of perversion?

by Angus Frame & Chris Purdy

At least you got an 'Honourable Mention', Kate!
(Best Opposite Sex?)
Ezra Lite my ass...:)

At least you got an 'Honourable Mention', Kate!
(Best Opposite Sex?)
Ezra Lite my ass...:)

Steyn has a great gift. How I wish I could write like that.

"My topic was responsible journalism, and how pursuit of the truth and engaging in the discipline of verification were two qualities that give journalism its authority and justify freedom of the press.........He gave no citation for the quote, and I suspect it was made up."

The professor defeats his own line of reasoning when he relies on his suspicion that Steyn made up the quote instead of using the rigorous "discipline of verification". He didn't go very far in his pursuit of truth concerning the statement in question. It is the same problem in his newest rebuttal. He fails to research the validity of the statement and instead deflects by blaming others and claiming to be a victim. He somehow even manages to equate this to students at Ryerson setting up White Power site. Does the left never get tired of playing the racist card when they are losing an argument? You would think that at some point they would get some new material.

In a way, the whole bit of entertainment is pathetic, pathos with the volume turned to max.

But in our culture the infected, pathetic mind of the herd is what rules. Facts are a kind of interference -- added noise to the signal of control, and government manipulation.

That there is no man-made global-warming, that there is no possibility of humans affecting climate-change, that there are real consequences for diminishing the quest for freedom of expression, are of no import; facts, whether historical or observational only serve to demonstrate a departure from "togetherness" in the herd.

The Miller cases, even as humourous as they are, do damage, and leave their mess-ups as trash in the halls of supposed academia. Miller is incurable, he will excel from blunder to blunder, as most of us laugh harder.

We need more journalism janitors as we do science janitors, ready and willing to dump the trash.

PS. Garbage collection and dumping is costing more and more. Miller's trash is but a significant indicator of what could end up destroying our economy and society. As Jennifer Lynch desecrates Human Rights, Miller desecrates Journalism. And they have no shame.

Note that on Miller's blog, his first byline is "Expert Witness". And he calls himself a "journalism professor". Reminds me of the South Park episode where the kids had to rename their school mascot either "Giant Douche" or "Turd Sandwich".

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

This Miller charactor is one fine piece of work. His trying to slam all the writers and bloggers of the right in one article is truely pathetic. At least the trolls that float by and quote stats from wiki, try to find facts, even if it isn't a vetted site.

He’s been professor of journalism at Ryerson for 21 years, following a 20-year career as an editor and reporter. Most of that was spent at the Toronto Star, where he was foreign editor, founding editor of the Sunday Star, weekend editor, deputy managing editor, and acting managing editor.

Not nearly as impressive as writing a blog though is it?

Jeff speaks of credentials, yet still pretends he's a professional photographer.

Steyn...a legend in his own mind... and people accuse me of a superiority complex. Wow... how does Steyn get his head through doorways?

Steyn is the ultimate jackass, pure and simple.

Yukon Gold,

I'm distressed to learn that you find my photographic abilities to be lacking. As a regular commenter at Small Dead Animals, your analysis of my work means so much to me.

I charge $200/hr for my services, how much do you get for being a groupy?

Jeffy, Ryerson is called Ry-High for a reason. That reason is people like Mr. Miller and Wendy Cukier, sub-standard Leftists who didn't make the A-team over at UofT.

The fact that he worked for the Red Star is not a point in his favor, btw. Extreme leftward slant is not a replacement for actual skill, dude. The Red Star's circulation numbers certainly reflect that.

The toREDstar as a credential?

Now that's funny.

So he's been a prof of journalism for 21 years?
Then I say, he's stagnant, stale, narrow minded, soured and it shows. NO wonder the MSM is losing money and credibility, and it shows as well.

The Red Star's circulation numbers certainly reflect that.

i take your point. being an editor of a paper with the highest weekly circulation in the country isn't nearly as impressive as being the editor of say....the national post. lmao.

I can see it now -- Big Live Vegetables.

A perfect venue for most liberal bloggers.

How many $200 per hour in a given week DO you actually realize Jeff?

You seem to hang out here quite a bit, is your income subsidized with public funds as well?

Oh yes,working for the T.O. star,now that's impressive!

ductrapper nailed it I think. In this case a journalist tried to mix it up with a word smith and came out of it looking very bad.

Good to see ol Jeff and Ron still defending censorship. keep up the good work guys!

My grandfather told me that when he was a kid, back, say, about 1918, the really, really naughty boys would take a couple of tom cats and hang them side-by-side by their tails from the rafters of the barn, then watch the show.
Too bad he wasn't around to see Miller and Levant go at it.

Jeffy says: "at the end of the day, i have no idea whether khomeini wrote about shagging sheep and how to best dispose of the meat afterwards. the problem is, after a reasonable amount of research, i don't think steyn, levant or gyapong really know either.
and that.. was miller's whole point."

Well, no Jeffy it wasn't. Miller's whole point was that Steyn made it all up and that he shouldn't be allowed to do that, 'cause its mean to Muslims and some redneck like The Phantom might be inspired by it to go out and do damage. Or something. Maybe. Because people are stupid, y'know. They gotta be -controlled-.

That was his point.

Ok. So Jeff is a photographer and charges $200 per hour. I'm a lawyer and charge $375.00. Does that make my opinions or thoughts somehow more impressive? Jeff, you had me at your first post, but then lost me when you decided to drop into the muck..

It's fair comment that, at first glance, there is a suggestion that some of Steyn's sources are not reputable.. though, and I'm just guessing, I would imagine that Jeff didn't actually read "Force of Reason" to determine if the comments attributed to Fallaci are in fact true. I'm sure that he (like myself) googled around and found that someone else has alleged these errors in her writing - and they, like Fallaci, like Mark Steyn, may be right, or they may be wrong.. such is the risk of relying upon third-party research or data, particularly in this age of the internet.

If Jeff is right, however, and such is the case - then, here, as elsewhere, everyone should have the right to argue, clearly, that Mark's points of view may be based upon inaccuate accounts, false data from questionable sources, etc.. and that is the point of the need for vigorous and free debate.

Personally - my attitude has never been that we should only be able to give our thoughts or opinions when they are accurately and completely sourced.. for that matter, I think we should be free to just make shit up.. and then be ready to stand by our opinions when we're taken apart by others with greater knoweldge and information.

I mean, let's be honest.. how many crusaders for CO2 reductions truly have a working scientific knowledge of the theory of global warming, and long-term geographic data which supports or works against it? So - does that mean that every blogger who suggests we should reduce C02 emissions should be censored unless they can prove their theory is accurate and correct.. I mean, let's be honest - "Inconvenient Truth" has now been officially labeled as propoganda in the U.K., due to it's numerous factual inaccuracies.. so, does that mean we should censor Al Gore? While part of me would love it - the reality is that I relish freedom more than I abor an idiot.

This is the point. Attack Mark's point of view all you want - point out the weaknesses in his writing - that is great.. just don't try and say that he shouldn't be able to articulate his opinion.

You seem to hang out here quite a bit

i'm absent from the chat room for extended periods. i return on occasion, when it suits me.

oh phantom, you clever beast, it's j.e.f.f.i.e

get it right.

Who the hell is Wim Fortuyn??? Do you mean Pim Fortuyn?

If you're going to cut and paste from a book review, at least check your facts first.

http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=8&id=6104

Jeffy says: "oh phantom, you clever beast, it's j.e.f.f.i.e"

This from a guy who can't find the shift key.

Straying from the point, Jeffy. You want Mr. Miller passing judgment on what pictures you get to publish? Because that's where this is all going, y'know.

Won't take long either, another five years with a Liberal or NDP win in it, and you personally are going to be having your pics checked for "suitability" by some $9.50/hr clerk in the basement at Queens Park.

jeff, now we know the problem.

AtalanticJim,

I'm glad you didn't use capital letters when you implied Steyn is a 'Word Smith'. In his blog he consistently makes grammatical and puntuation errors. That makes him more a 'hack smith' than anything else.

Steyn is just in a blog induced virtual pissing contest with someone who's too old and tired to fight back.

Apparently, Khomeini did write that bestiality and sodomy DO take place with animals. In his book, Tahrirolvasyleh, Vol. 4, 1990. This doesn't then mean that he APPROVES of such behaviour.

The question then becomes, is this representative of Islam? Or of a Shi'ite? Or of himself? Or of a pastoral nomadic culture of the 7th century where most certainly, bestiality occurred.

And Khomeini? After all, this same individual is quoted as saying that 'In the Islamic government, all people have complete freedom to have any kind of opinion" (Nov 10, 1978, Interview with Human Rights Watch).
And then, he says, that 'the author of the Satanic Verses' is sentenced to death.
Sounds rather similar to our HRCs with their mantra of freedom and actuality of prevention of freedom.

As for Miller, because he's a professor doesn't mean he has any knowledge; because he's a journalist doesn't mean he has any critical thinking skills. So, rather than identifying him as 'he MUST be knowledgeable BECAUSE he's a professor, or writes for the Toronto Star (ahem) or whatever, just focus on what he's actually written and actually said. If you do that, his claims fall apart into empty sound bites.

liberal ron, hmmm, you consistently make spelling errors. Oh well.

liberal ron can't find the shift key either. What's up with that? All these frickin' Lefties do it.

Pinkie fingers get cut off as an initiation into Leftism or something? Inquiring minds wanna know!

"Reminds me of the South Park episode where the kids had to rename their school mascot either "Giant Douche" or "Turd Sandwich"."

Vote or Die B*#tch !;-p

I started out to write a not to Mr. Miller, it ended up a bit long-

http://freeca.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/free-to-choose-my-news-too/

IanV

I suppose using capital letters discriminates and gives those letters an unfair advantage over the rest of the sentence. It is more egalitarian, perhaps, to go lower-case all the way.

This is one situation where liberals believe in capital punishment.

ET - I was going to mention Liberal Ron's
lack of literary skills but you said it better, by just saying Hummm.

Parents of graduating high school students should be taking notes. It would be a crime to squander your son's or daughter's time and good money to enroll your aspiring student in a University that employs loser teachers like this Miller fellow.

Great 'smack down' Mr. Steyn. No wonder Steyn has a legion of fans. I never miss an article. I had never heard anything from or about this Miller fella before he crossed swords (Miller brought a dry parsley sprig) with Ezra and Mark. I will not be seeking any of his blubbering again either, as my free time is valuable to me.

$200/hr? I'd still be willing to wager that my pay packet is substantially larger than yours, Jeff. Plus, I'll put my wife's photog skills (hourly rate for photography = $0) up against yours any day, you hack.

"$200/hr?"

I had no idea those poor saps at the Santa display made that much. Hey, Jeff, when you want the kids to stop crying do you make faces or shake the teddy bear?
Let's see, I worked as a news photographer - still have my equipment - and I'm a lawyer, so I could be charging $500 for a photo and legal advice.

"Pinkie fingers get cut off as an initiation into Leftism or something? Inquiring minds wanna know!"

What do pinkies have to do with it Phantom? I only use two fingers and my spelin are good, like my gammer.

Also, a point some people seemed to have missed: jeffey said he "charges" $200/hr, not that he actually makes that much.

I once met a gal that charged $200/yr. I don't know if she was a lawyer or what but I got screwed anyhow. / it's a joke, okay!

Other than "The Little Green Book", is there any other source for Khomeni's fatawa?

Miller comments: (When I asked Levant if he considers himself to be a journalist, by the way, he wouldn’t answer, but that’s another story.) I am curious about why Miller would find this relevant -- like to anything, not just the issue being discussed. Why is what Levant considers himself to be Miller's or anyone's business?

Miller's view is not unusual. I think there is a desperation among many of the "old guard" (journalists, academics, etc.) who are lost once things start to fall apart . . . the centre no longer holds (paraphrasing Yeats). Sneering at things like Wikipedia is a clear indication that he does not "get" the new reality. I think he also does not get "truth", despite his claim that journalism is paritally about the pursuit of truth. That's a laugh, really, I guess he has not read many newspapers lately.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

And those who can't teach, teach journalism, apparently (with apologies to Woody Allen).

norman, it's the "Blue Book", and I don't understand your question. Since this book is the original source for the quote, what else do you need? It sounds like you're asking, "Other than this 'Bible' book, is there any other source for the 10 Commandments?"

" Miller's view is not unusual. "

That's pretty much the WHOLE point! Isn't it?

"My topic was responsible journalism, and how pursuit of the truth and engaging in the discipline of verification were two qualities that give journalism its authority and justify freedom of the press "

Well that was true at one time. I suppose "Prof" Miller must think Mark Steyn was single handedly responsible for the recent election victory of Barrack Obama, since I didn't see much in the way of "pursuit of the truth and engaging in the discipline of verification" in the US MSM.

If ever these conditions obtain in any media, then you will see the public flocking there for their information. What's that? They already go to the Blogosphere for their news and information?

I suppose that is what gives the "new media" of the internet it's "authority and justify freedom of the expression"

liberal Ron says, "I'm glad you [AtlanticJim] didn't use capital letters when you implied Steyn is a 'Word Smith'. In his blog [sic: a comma is needed here] he consistently makes grammatical and puntuation [sic: it's ‘punctuation’] errors. That makes him more a 'hack smith' than anything else."

PROVE IT, RON.

Frankly, I don't believe you.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black . . . in a minuscule amount of text, Ron makes BOTH a spelling AND punctuation error, while criticizing the remarkable Mark for, apparently, making such mistakes (in masses of text).

These liberals are really something else, including being full of sh . . . I mean, delusion and hubris. (Look that up, Ron.)

How many tenured socialist academicas can dance on the head of a pin?
Nothing changes but the brand name from age to eon.

I'm wondering how many commenters read the info that Rob Harvie has provided.
Any discussion about Miller could have been very a brief brush off...'consider the source'.
It's that syndrome of being so open minded your brains fall out.

If you don't like the smell oh great Toronto professor, don't step in it. Keep your ill informed mouth shut, you clowns have been trying to warp the thinking of your little minions for years, and along came the internet, almost had your 1984 but...shazam! Miller couldn't ,like most liberals, pack Steyn's lunch.

Jeff Davidson plaintively complains: "I'm distressed to learn that you find my photographic abilities to be lacking. As a regular commenter at Small Dead Animals, your analysis of my work means so much to me."

Let me take a shot then, Jeff. I'm an Honourable Lifetime Member of the Professional Photographers of Canada, a Master of Photographic Arts, a Fellow of PPABC, a nationally accredited print judge and have taught real professional photographers from coast to coast.

I've viewed your work and find it undistinguished and puerile, lacking in technical sophistication, imagination or impact.

Sadly, your work is a reflection of your mind.

jeff, you may charge $200 an hour, but, that means nothing, it's not a salary. Big difference. I've seen your stuff and will leave it at that. You invited an examination of your artistic/income ability with that self-endorsing statement, but, I suggest that in a very humble mode you just slink away from that, you really don't want to go there.

No Guff: I think your criticism of Jeff's photography is a bit over the top. I think some of it is quite good. We should return to the topic at hand.

"I charge $200/hr for my services, how much do you get for being a groupy?"

I guess the obvious question here is "how the hell do you live on $200 a year?

Horny toad

"liberal ron can't find the shift key either. What's up with that? All these frickin' Lefties do it."

Lefties don't have to follow accepted rules or conventions because, see, they're different, special and progressive in their thinking and behaviour.

This specialness also makes them incapable of reason, critical thinking and detecting doublethink/doublespeak bullshit so they just redefine these concepts to suit their political agenda and to hell with reality.

I re-read this tonight, it's bang-on:

http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html

The version of Khomeini's Little Green Book of Sayings cited by Gyapong was published by Bantam Books, owned by Random House, in 1980 with an introduction by Clive Irving, a former Sunday Times editor and author, who was probably on the left. He wrote for the Observer among many other high brow British publications.
Irving wrote a history of Iran which came out around the time of the revolution in 1980 which prompted using him for the forward.
He's best know for his book on the "Promufo Scandal"
Salemson was a well-regarded academic translator whose other work is easily found on the web.
I have vague memories of Xaviere's role in the book but nothing concrete.
One has to remember that Khomeini's long stay in France before the revolution.
The book, which I remember in the bookstores, was one of Bantam's famous "Instant Books" in the vein of the Pentagon Papers and the Watergate Prosecutor's Report.
The book itself is pretty rare. Worth over $100 at your local book dealer.

http://www.thejournalismdoctor.ca/ViewBlog/11/
"The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold."

"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."

Any homosexual reading it would get upset over that statement as it hits too close to home. Act of sodomy causes infection of abdominal cavity of animal with fecal matter (septic shock). This infection causes that white blood cells move out of animal's bloodstream into abdominal cavity in order to fight that infection. Low white blood cells count (fully blown AIDS) condition renders that animal unable to fight all common pathogens present in its body and environment. These pathogens start to multiply rapidly and turn that animal into a vector spreading common diseases among livestock and humans that come in contact with it.

This commons sense observation that is as applicable to animals as it is to men was recorded in the Bible and it was basis of Leviticus 18:22 translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

It is no small wonder that Mark Steyn pissed whole homosexual community off when he dragged that cat out of the closet. They were doing so well with this HIV virus scam that the last thing they needed was somebody bring up Ayatollah Khomeini, and his more recent teachings.

John Gordon Miller - The Journalism Doctor is well known for supporting homosexual pedophiles(http://searchingforliberty.blogspot.com/2008/11/apparently-mark-steyn-should-be.html) so it is no small wonder that he took offence to Steyn's writing.

As for Salemson, this is probably the guy. An interesting life to say the least.

http://www.bookrags.com/biography/harold-jason-salemson-dlb/

LindaL wrote: "I think your criticism of Jeff's photography is a bit over the top. I think some of it is quite good. We should return to the topic at hand."

I never left the topic, Linda. Like the good Professor Miller, Jeff likes to put himself out there as an 'expert' without really having the goods to back it up.

Sometimes, one must simply call them on their hubris.

A little further research tonight shows that the Khomeini book was reviewed in the Globe and Mail in 1980 and was subject of criticism by some
Islamic scholars (Hello, Edward Said!) according to an article around the same time in the New York Times by Robert Kaiser. Bantam defended the accuracy of their translation.

Ryerson? What's that?
A university you say?

Not a Harvard I don't think.
One of those "community colleges" that went "condo" perhaps? Clammering for "legitimacy" fo so long, the powers that be, gave in and said "okay okay OKAY!!!!" Enough of your crying call yourself a University, just STOP HOUNDING US.

Sort of like the sames sex marriage debacle..a couple equals marriage(???)like any other couple.Only here they chant "we ARE higher learning, JUST LIKE a UNIVERSITY, ergo we are one too!!!"
Too easy?

Go figure.

Anyone who has ever read Azar Nafisi's book "Reading Lolita In Tehran", knows of the disgusting truth of Ayatollah Khomeini's writings about shagging protein and it's culinary effect in regard to Halal.

It is by far one of the most poignant entries in her book.... that rests right beside my copy of Mark Steyn's "America Alone".

Hey, how come when I "Google Shit", several articles appear with John Miller's name attached to the all??

Of course, I should mention that I added all the search terms:
1) incompetent
2) biased
3) boomer
4) journalist

I also noted that googling "journalist", tends to result in a lot of "shit" related articles.

So, I am left wondering what came first, the journalist or the shit? It seems that you can't have one without the other these days.

Hey John Miller, if you are lucky perhaps you might get to write one more story before you kick the bucket. The story will be about the end of journalism as you knew it, and you can blame it all on the bloggers!!!

This is blame that they will very happily accept!!!

Sleeping with sheep and goats. That's just foreplay.

KHOMEINI SLEPT WITH A 4 YEAR-OLD GIRL.

An excerpt from 'Hal Ataaka Hadeeth ur-Raafidah?' by the late Sheikh Abu Mus'abaz-Zarqaawi

“The author of the book 'For Allah, Then For History' [1] mentions to us an event that took place before his very eyes, when al-Khomeini [2] was living in Iraq, and was visiting an Iranian individual by the name of Sayyid Sahib.

He says: 'Sayyid Sahib was joyous with our visit, and we arrived at his house around the time of Dhuhr. So, he prepared for us a lavish dinner, and called some of his relatives, who came to see us, and the house became crowded in celebration of our presence.

Sayyid Sahib then requested that wespend that night at his home, to which the Imam agreed. When it was night time, we were given our supper, and the guests would take the Imam's hand and kiss it, and they would ask him questions, with him answering their questions.

When it was time to sleep, the guests had all left, except for the inhabitants of the house. Al-Khomeini laid his eyes on a young girl who, despite being only four or five years of age, was very beautiful.

So, the Imam requested from her father, Sayyid Sahib, that he spend the night with her in order to enjoy her. Her father happily agreed, and Imam al-Khomeini spent the night with the girl in his arms, and we could hear her crying and screaming.'”

Footnotes
[1] This book was written under the alias Husayn al-Musawi, a former companion of al-Khomeini who later abandoned his previous beliefs.
[2] Ayatollah al-Khomeini was the leader of the Shee'ah Raafidah of Iran in the 1980s.

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Did he, or didn't he? Well let's check a well-known, easily verifiable fatwa by the late and unlamented Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran.

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."

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Wonder what the idiot professor would have to say about this?

Thanks No Guff for the new word of the day: puerile. There is always something to learn at SDA.

Your critique of Jeffie's work was a bit brutal but then again when one hangs his or her's work out as an example of their expertise/talent, then all is fair.

Anyone named Miller in the GTA who doesn't work at Toronto city hall or Ryerson should be entitled to a free name change.

From the Globe review in 1980. No mention of goats though.

Ayatollah leaves little to chance The Green Book instructs on every subject from politics to sex

Tuesday, January 29, 1980 - P.17

William French

Toronto ON -- First it was Mao and his Little Red Book, now it's the Ayatollah and his Little Green Book. And while the thoughts of Chairman Mao may have had a more profound influence on the history of the twentieth century - so far - Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomaini is more engaging to read. Hardly any aspect of human behavior is left to chance by Khomaini, and he even provides instructions for the proper way to go to the bathroom.

Sayings Of the Ayatollah Khomaini will be published shortly by Bantam as a $2.25 paperback. It's a translation of a French edition which became an immediate bestseller when it was published in Paris last September. The French edition was dubbed The Little Green Book because of its cover, and Bantam has preserved the color scheme.

In an introduction to the Bantam edition, Clive Irving, former managing editor of The London Sunday Times, observes that to anyone reared and educated into the assumptions of Western life, the sayings of the Ayatollah are words from an alien mind. Many of the sentiments expressed here will seem - by turns - offensive, risible, pathological, obsessive, says Irving. But their strangeness cannot be lightly cast aside . . . For these are the words of a man who brought down - with words, not arms - the most elaborately armed regime in the Islamic world.

The book is a collection of extracts from three books of Khomaini's teachings, The Kingdom of the Learned, The Key To Mysteries and The Explanation of Problems, all of which were originally published in Persian...

The book did come under some fire according to the NY Times. Someone got access to NYTimes archive through Lexis?

Baantam's Khomeini Book Stirs Dispute; 'Wrong and Inflammatory'
Question of Interpretation Basis for English Text Hired by Bantam 'Acting Responsibly,' Says Jaffe

By ROBERT BLAIR KAISER
March 28, 1980, Friday
Section: The Weekend, Page C31, 1287 words

Two Middle Eastern experts are questioning the fairness of a Bantam paperback entitled "Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomeini." They contend that parts of it are not authentic and say that they are appalled by its publication because it presents a distorted view of Islamic culture.

I guess Miller isn't moving.

http://www.thejournalismdoctor.ca/ViewBlog/13/

Re the Fairness Doctrine, will that mean that no media, either print or tv etc will be able to use unnamed sources anymore.
I could go for that.

Am I missing something here, or is Miller's confusion (among his many confusions) due to the fact that Steyn called Khomeini's book "The Blue Book" rather than "The Green Book"?

So Steyn may have failed to fact-check the name of the book, despite getting the content right.

True, enough Steyn got the name of the book wrong and used a secondary source (Fallaci).
However, Miller is a tenured journalism professor at a university and he's relying on Google when he has access to all kinds of standard data bases.(Lexis-Nexis, the Reader's Guide to Perodical Literature et al)
It took me less than 20 minutes to discover the background of the author of the book's foreward, a New York Times biography of its translator, a Canadian review of the book and a New York Times article on the book when it came out.
Miller's seems a bit lazy when it comes to research. Using Google as your sole source gets you in trouble.

In the chase for sources one wouldn't want to lose track of the fact that Steyn & his immediate source Fallaci are pushing their own peculiar versions of the Eurabia theory and are concerned to make Muslims as disgusting as possible.
Steyn quoting Fallaci quoting the "blue book" -- http://tinyurl.com/jvtpa

“A man who has had sexual relations with an animal, such as a sheep, may not eat its meat. He would commit sin.”

When challenged, Ezra Levant hops to the rescue, helpfully adding chickens to the mix --

"Those quotes were from Khomeini’s famous Tahrir-ol-vasyleh, [wiki link] his Iranian version of Mein Kampf — his master plan for the world, right down to how to have sex with chickens — the part Miller thought Steyn was making up.
I went to Google as Miller was talking, and found a ton of references for it. [...]
http://ezralevant.com/2008/11/my-opening-remarks-at-todays-m.html

Levant mentions Harper's. Harper's quotes from, not the Green or Blue book, but from an unabridged translation of Tahrir-ol-vasyleh by J. Borujerdi.
Compared to the pamphlet-sized "green book", [300+ quotes from three of Khomeini's books] it has 432 pages -- the original is about 1200 pages in two volumes [quotations purporting to be from the fourth volume -- see Levant's wiki reference -- should be regarded with scepticism]
The Harper's selection includes this admonition -- http://www.harpers.org/archive/1985/06/0010032

2,631. "It is loathsome to eat the meat of a horse, a mule, or a donkey if someone has had coitus with the animal."

The two quotatons don't really mean the same thing, eh?
Apart from twisting the quote to imply that bestiality is fine as long as you don't eat what you fucked,
why Steyn would substitute sheep & Levant chickens, it would be odious to speculate.

Quality of sources is pretty important for journalists, I always thought.
I know professors who fail students for relying on Google, wikipedia and the like without further substantation.
Anyway, the smashing of the progressive forces during the Iranian revolution in 1980 by Khomeini and his allies is a hell of a lot more important than goats.
The left, which Miller belongs with, a generation ago knew that. Why do you think that a leftist like Jean Edern Hallier commisioned the book in the first place?

"Do not use this term, ‘democratic.’ That is the Western style'
-Khomeini-1980