I recall on Damians site the mangy marxist was questioning whether in fact McCain had ever really been tortured.

Who was it last week that said something about McCain having a Cig. in an old film clip While he was a POW.

If anyone questions whether McCain was tortured, I would suggest they get the exact same treatment and then they can make their assessment.

The Vietnam war was after all the brainchild of John F Kennedy. In order to stem the expansionism of Communist countries like the USSR and China. Both of whom supported the North. Heh.

The Vietnam war was ended by Richard M Nixon.

McCain's gung-ho attitude toward the Vietnam conflict has its roots in the months he spent in Vietnam's skies. In Faith of My Fathers he describes how, looking down at Soviet ships unloading arms in Vietnamese ports and at the construction of surface-to-air-missile sites, he chafed at the "frustratingly limited bombing targets" that restricted air raids to military installations, roads, bridges and power plants, calling such constraints "senseless" and "illogical." "We thought our civilian commanders were complete idiots," he wrote.

it's a such a good thing that mccain doesn't have his finger on the trigger of anymore than a squirt gun these days.

What a wonderful cynical mind. I have watched and listen to the canadian left for almost 6 decades and I still don't see any difference between thier rhetoric and "El Duce", He, like our Canadian versions started universal medicare and other wonderful things like public housing.
They, also like El Duce would deny us of our democracy to be replaced by thier version of the guided moral high ground.
Could someone tell me if this jerk is old enough to remember our world wars? Did he read his selective insight in some NDP or Liberal comic book?
It's a sad day for human kind when an individual can write about shooting someone on the spot because the left wing fascists don'e like him.!

jeff davidson

Clearly, as a retard, you would not be aware why soviet ships unloading arms to shoot at Americans may upset American military men.

just be glad your betters in the military are willing to do what it takes to protect your unworthy, ungrateful and cowardly ass.

And explain why retards like you love JFK so much but hate Bush. JFK started Vietnam, provided Castro with his Bay-of-Pigs victory and almost nuked the world in the Cuban Missile Crisis. If you hate warmongers, know that all the biggest wars the Yanks fought in the 20th century were started under Democratic presidents (save Gulf War I.) Sure, Reagan had some minor skirmishes, but all the big ones were democrats. WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam. All Democrats.

It isn't wars you hate, it's republicans - regardless of what they do. Wars just give you your demented (and hypocritical) sense of righteousness for your hate.

Oh, and your guy Obama? "He supports the death penalty for heinous crimes, while acknowledging that capital punishment is likely not a deterrent…. He is opposed to same-sex marriage... He wants more combat troops in Afghanistan, while vowing to take American soldiers out of Iraq within 16 months of assuming office. He had himself baptized as a Christian in adulthood…" "While rejecting all stereotypes of race, Obama has been equally dismissive of pro forma liberalism, or what he wryly called the "latte-sipping Lakefront liberals,"

In Obama's words: "I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own values,"

"In The Audacity of Hope, the then-junior senator from Illinois wrote about the failure of liberal governments in the U.S., an elitist disconnect from the lives of ordinary Americans that was so effectively exploited by Ronald Reagan." ""A lot of liberal rhetoric did seem to value rights and entitlements over duties and responsibilities," Obama wrote."

Sounds like your guy is to the right of Stephen Harper. Clap now, half-wit!

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"dr dawg says... Frankly, if I'd been one of those yellow folks who
dragged him from the lake where he'd landed, I'd have shot him
on the spot."

C'mon Dawg, 'fess up... you'd have tortured him a little first.

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"C'mon Dawg, 'fess up... you'd have tortured him a little first."

Dawg would do no such thing. Dawg's a leftard and thus a coward who expects others to do things. They wait until they can get government jackboots to do their dirty work for them.

"Frankly, if I'd been one of those yellow folks"

It appears that the resident half-wit at Dawg's site needs a refresher on political correctness. Referring to North Vietnamese as "yellow folks" would earn a conservative a severe reprimand.

biffjr

You hit it on the head when you said that a conservative would be reprimanded. Leftards don't seem to think that their actions should have consequences. They are bigoted, hatemongering, hypocrites.

Warwick: HERE HERE well said

I still remember the Cuban missile crisis & how close we came, & i was only 8 the time. We as children may not have realized the enormity of the situation at the time But i sure remember my parents glued to our 1& only tv station & teachers talking drop & cover.

just be glad your betters in the military are willing to do what it takes to protect your unworthy, ungrateful and cowardly ass.

i was under the impression that Canada did not fight in the Vietnam War, and diplomatically it was officially "non-belligerent". so you see, i fail to see why my cowardly ass should be grateful to my military betters.

warwick, you talk so tough in real life or only in the chatrooms?

Dawg comes across like your classic "peace bear" - those burly, hirsute old left types who used to dominate meetings with their aggressive, cynical complaining and bellicose rants against anyone who wasn't toeing the line. They were usually as sexist and racist at heart as the supposed object of their political hatred (i.e. "rednecks" and "fascists"), and could be relied upon to go through a serial string of beaten-down women whose self-image was relentlessly battered by their constant complaining and sniping. Since projection comprised most of their worldview, they were violently allergic to any suggestion of self-examination.

I used to think they'd die out with the Boomers, but I've since seen new variants popping up in their wake. A classic left pathology.

Nixon didn't end the Vietnam War. The Democrat
controlled Congress ended it when they wouldn't
support it with further funds.
Mc Cain had a right to be frustrated, albeit bombing Soviet ships would have sparked WW111.
They were very restricted in their choice of targets. It has been said that this was the first politically-correct war ever waged.

Jeff:
maybe you should attend the 11th of November at your local cenotaph & say thanks to those who served their country & remember those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Btw i do not have the exact numbers, But Yes there were many Canadians in Vietnam, they may not have been with a Canadian contingent But they signed up & went with many US units. We have a few of those guys attend our Nov 11th & they always place a wreath.

Dawgtor Dork: major Marxist hippie loser.

I really enjoyed it when Kathy handed him his ass over the Western vs native Indian culture discussion.

Warwick & neo:

Yes your posts remind me of my visit to East Germany back at the height of the Cold War.

To process you at the border required one person to stamp your passport and two to point machine pistols in your face. When they got to me, the safety came off and a round was loaded in the chamber.

Being a young smart ass at the time, I suggested to the border guards:

"If you want to create an international incident, I would advise you to pull the trigger. If on the other hand you want to keep your job, perhaps point the guns at the ground."

As you can conclude, the border guards chose the latter. As soon as the border guards were out of earshot to the next train car, the rest of my cabin erupted with laughter; "You showed them!".

Dr Dawg is spouting a bunch of sabre rattling BS.

But then I've built my own 0.45 caliber muzzle loader and know how to use it, if required. If your going to shoot, you don't talk about it, and secondly you make the first shot count.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North

You guys are missing the nuance of his post. What he is saying is that, were he a person of yellowness, then he would have disregarded the Geneva Convention, but since, fortunately, he was born a decent white person, he wouldn't.

It is clear as day.

maybe you should attend the 11th of November at your local cenotaph & say thanks to those who served their country & remember those who gave the ultimate sacrifice

i have nothing but respect and gratitude for those who served canada and lost their lives.

WARwick:-))))

bang on in your assessment,

and I too remember dear leader JFK almost stumbling into a nuke confrontation

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In order to stem the expansionism of Communist countries like the USSR and China. Both of whom supported the North. Heh.

Posted by: Jeff Cosford at 12:30 PM

NO!!!!!

jeff, china and N vietnam fought a border war during the time that they fought and won (actually the USA gov't handed them the victory after defeating them on the battlefield) the war with the south

"Warwick, you talk so tough in real life or only in the chatrooms?"

Idiot, not that I'd be worried if you walked in the door (unless I had a mouth full of hot coffee - it isn't nice snorting coffee out your nose) but I fail to see when I puffed myself up.

I merely said that you lot are always cowards. Bullies who can't even do the bullying yourselves.

It was the military that I referred to when I stated that your unworthy, pathetic and logically challenged ass should be grateful. Those are the people which civil society rely on. They do their job regardless of politics and politicians (with the exception a handful of leftard cowards who join for the freebees and then bolt when they're expected to make good on their promise.)

And nice dodge on the point. Loser.

And nothing but scorn for the liberty we once enjoyed as a result.

And nothing but scorn for the liberty we once enjoyed as a result.

one could say the same of you kate. it's a matter of perspective.

warwick,

civil society relies on the fact that most of us do our jobs regardless of politics or politicians.

your whole bullying theme rings hollow. you resort to the big man pose the second somebody turns up with a thought different from your own.

take a look in the mirror and gaze upon the angry little man staring back. lay off the coffee also.

Did you read it? I refer to the "big man" as the guy in uniform. Then berate you for your ingratitude.

I respect many of the people I disagree with. Belittling those who have sacrificed their health and lives are not among them. Scum like you and Dawg particularly.

I have many liberal friends. My wife's a teacher. I couldn't avoid them if I tried. But you lot go far beyond being "somewhat left."

At the end of the day, I'd rather be a "big man" than a petty little man like you.

Dawg commented at GOF that his "better nature is firmly in control," due to his

"having been spared napalm, flechette guns, white phosphorous and cluster-bombs...."

...to say nothing of the soothing love-balms, supplied by the communist Chinese and supplied to the Vietminh, that were used against the Vietnamese who opposed communism. I repeat, to say nothing...

Certain quarters consider opposition to communism to be baaad (in effect, i.e. they never come right out and say it) and the rest, including anti-Americanism, just falls into place from there. On the matter of lefty iconography in the interests of same, this, from The Sixties at 40 in the June issue of New Criterion:

"There are always omissions from this list of wonders. One of them is the iconic photo taken on February 1, 1968, showing a bullet fired at close range by South Vietnamese police commander Nguyen Ngoc Loan into the right temple of Viet Cong Nguyen Van Lem exiting on the other side of his skull. Along with the photo taken four years later of nine-year-old Phan Kim Phuc roasting from Napalms as she ran naked down a highway in the Central highlands, this is the most evocative image of the war. But both photos, starkly black and white in meaning back in the day, have since taken on a grayer coloration. Lem was executed not out of the mad random bloodlust that is supposed to have touched everything related to the U.S. presence in Vietnam, but because he was the captain of a terrorist squad that had just massacred the family of one of Loan's deputy commanders. And Kim Phuc, after all the skin grafts and years of having displayed as a propaganda doll in Havana and other revolutionary venues, finally made her way to Canada, converted to Christianity, and stood in quiet opposition to the Vietnamese government."

Kim Phuc's better nature is firmly in control. Can't really say the same about the Obamalites.

I don’t know if anyone else has noticed or not – but the whole lefty troll thing on SDA appears to come from only one crazy little writer under different pseudonyms. Look at the same arguments and same attacks on bloggers in the same pitch and tone with absolutely nothing concrete to add or facts to defend.

Either the left truly does act like the Borg as one immense unintelligent collective or there is but one or two nut’s pretending that they are many using multiple pseudonyms.

Of course we couldn’t rule out that it is just one freaky little disturbed person with many split personalities who actually believes he’s all these lefty personas. I find that is probably the most demented probability and I do find it quite disturbing and really hope is not the case? There needs to be laws against these sorts having computers.

Belittling those who have sacrificed their health and lives are not among them.

i wouldn't belittle anyone who sacrificed themselves in service of our country. however, i don't respect the uniform for it's own sake. if the individual in it is worthy of respect, then they get it. there's nothing petty about respecting the person before the uniform. at least not in my world.

anyhow, i'm out. enjoy your afternoon.

It is surprising how the left rant how they are against war but have no problem profiting from it. Just like their socialist self proclaimed pacifist in Spain.

Zapatero has been careful to appoint only pacifists as Spanish ministers of defense. Zapatero’s first defense minister, the controversial José Bono Martínez, proclaimed: “I am a minister of defense and I would rather be killed than to kill.” He then issued orders prohibiting Spanish troops in Afghanistan from using lethal force on Taliban fighters.

Now the issue of Spanish weapons sales is casting more doubt over the genuineness of Zapatero’s pacifistic leanings. According to a new government report [pdf] presented to the Spanish Congress in September 2008, Spanish arms sales have skyrocketed by more than 130 percent during Zapatero’s tenure, to 933 million euros in 2007 from 400 million euros in 2004. Spain is now the world’s eighth largest supplier of weapons, after the United States, Russia, Germany, France, Holland, Britain and Italy.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3623

The Vietnam war was after all the brainchild of John F Kennedy.-Cosford

JFK started Vietnam - Warwick

Your reading of history rivals Sarah Palin's grasp of geography.

For a quick and better understanding of the Vietnam War, I suggest reading "The Ugly American" (which in fact does not refer to the stereotype with which the title is associated) by Lederer and Burdick, and also watching "The Fog of War", an Errol Morris film with Robert MacNamara.

I am always greatful, especialy at this time of year,that I was not called to war.Too young then, too old now. You really cannot imagine what it is like in battle,you relly can't ,unless you have been through it.These men and women were(are)just ordinary folks like you and me.Nothing special in thier make-up,just your normal everyday person.But when called upon they showed up,most not having any idea what they were in for.But they showed up.I ask myself,would I have had the courage to do the same,to go and probably die in the effort? These brave men and women are the reason I didn't have to find out.My deepest thanks goes to all the people who keep our faith,espcially the young,and my deepest sympathy to those who have lost a son,a daughter,a father,a mother,an uncle,an aunt,sister,brother,girlfriend,boyfriend,friend because do not forget those who died were this to someone.

ya know there are so many people out there using a shitload of words but not one will ever take action, especially canadians.

Warwick! A guy who gets it!

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I suspect that Obama is actually a little farther to the right than Harper is.

Much has been made of the suggestion that Governor Palin, through omission, (which I myself might be guilty of - given the name changes of countries in Africa over the past 40 years) referred to Africa as a country instead of a continent. Some people here in Canada think that Georgia (USA) has a President - go figure! The new president elect informed his swooning fans that his grandmother had lived through two, I repeat TWO world wars, and the Great Depression. She was born in 1923. Many people think that Australia is a country, not a continent. Schools do not teach much History or Geography today; hence we have very ignorant writers and talkers in all walks of life. Many people do not know that Alaska was a Russian colony.

When stalin killed millions the leftists in dear ole canada would find the term murder excessive, afterall these people were merely a lesser idle worshipping breed standing in the way of progressive change.

"Many people think that Australia is a country, not a continent."

Point of order: It is both actually.

I am somewhat surprised at how people "talk" to each other here. Now, I know that ideas need to be exchanged, but would (some) people actually talk like this to each other face to face?

The danger of a blogosphere is that you end up with everyone retreating into echo chambers, where they can only hear their voices and ideas shouted back.

Politeness, after all, is a civilized thing.

Check the "Comments" at Damian Penny's Dawgpost. By the way, the Dawg opposes the Korean War, amonst many others.

Mark
Ottawa

Larsen! A guy who gets it!

Sadly Larsen,

Most of lefties (although not all) which comes here to comment aren't interested in being civil. I return civil discourse. I don't consider endless, cheap, drive-by smears to be civil so there are a group I'm not planning on being kind to the likes of Dawg or Davidson - they have a long history of making pests of themeslves.

I doubt that any of us come to these forums, (ok fora), to have our political minds changed. I find it interesting that because discussion of politics at work is virtually verboten, these sorts of sites provide at least some solace to this right-winger (who would be viewed as a bit left south of the border).

But, if things get to the state of two people shouting across the fence at each other, I don't know how long people will spend their time here.

Hey, if Dion brings down the government, and Harper doesn't want to run again, how about McCain for PM? Naw, just kidding, he's way too right wing for Canadians.

"ya know there are so many people out there using a shitload of words but not one will ever take action, especially canadians.

Posted by: old white guy at November 7, 2008 3:08 PM "

Hate to burst your bubble OWG...but a lot of us did and do take action. Myself(22 yrs SAR) which is lots of fun finding dead bodies,Kingstonlad,gunny,AtlanticJim. Sure we may not have "fought" in any wars(unless the Golan counts),but when the going gets tough,most Canucks get going. The only problem is,we DON'T get going when it is our OWN country in peril. Hell,just 2 days ago,the stupid council here in Edmonchuck said that the armouries that housed the Edmonton squad of the Royal Dragoons(WWII) will be turned into a youth shelter,with BB courts and all. F*&k them.Send the little thugs to the RCR and VanDoos. That will straighten them out a hell of a lot faster!!

Justthinkin

Good comment, and, if we had to muster an army, could we??

Manny

If you don't realize that JFK's administration started the Vietnam War, you are either very young, very dense or willfully blind.

Hell Erik...thanks to 30+ years of socialism,right now we can't even muster a brigade,let alone an army. And to think just 60 short years ago,we were the third largest army and naval force in the world.

"The Vietnam war was ended by Richard M Nixon."

This is just not true. The Vietnam War was ended by North Vietnam when the US abandoned their South Vietnamese allies to their fate by deciding not to help them anymore with troops and materiel. After the US did this hundreds of thousands of people were murdered or became refugees (remember the "boat people") and the survivors have been living under communist tyranny ever since. The war did not end just because the US decided not to take part anymore.

justthinkin,

Airforce - probably
Navy - possibly
Army - not even close (A few million short!)

Zog...sorry...I should have clarified by saying by % to population...DUH...long day..HEH

Edward Teach - bingo! Now about 1923..?

From LGF
“President-elect Obama at his first press conference, answering a question about whether he had spoken to any previous president: In terms of speaking to former presidents, I have spoken to all of them, uh, that are, uh, living ... obviously, uh, President Clinton, uh ... [laughter] ... hey, I didn’t want to get into a Nancy Reagan, uh, thing about doin’ any seances...
A cheap shot at Nancy Reagan, who is currently recovering from a fall in which she broke her hip. Classy.”
“What a pompous dickhead...”
“It was also a cheap shot at a president whose boots he's not even fit to lick.”
“Finally a president willing to insult injured old women! This is the unity I've been waiting for!”
But what can you expect from a man who would let child survivors of abortion die.

Obama's comment posted previously: "hey, I didn’t want to get into a Nancy Reagan, uh, thing about doin’ any seances..." reveals his true self. Educate him, dress him up in a suit, elect him President, and he's still an immature egocentric airhead.

When the French were defeated in French Indo-China (Vietnam),the CIA thought that the US should go in and take their place.President Eisenhaur said NO,we cant win a war in south east Asia and went golfing.When Kennedy was elected he reversed that decision.Yes,JFK sent advisors to south Vietnam to advise the south on how to beat the north.He and then Johnson sent more and more advisors,in the form of troops and equipment,to aid the South Vietnamese.The pilots were restricted in what they could attack,as McCain says,and finally the North wouldnt meet at the bargaining table so Nixon instituted a bombing campaign with B-52'sknown as "Rolling Thunder",which was practised over southern Saskatchewan.I know as they flew at extremely low levels(150 ft or less) and scared Hell out of me when driving a tractor and not noticing their approach until I heard the noise of their engines.It brought the North to the peace tables.

Wow, Obama said that re Reagan? Agree re classless

Not in the MSM that I've been browsing - surprise surprise

I hope he loses that attitude pretty quickly

Rick that peace bear comment was so eerily accurate I think I momentarily blacked out.

Can I just add that a number of these guys I met in the peace movement turned out to be rapist and woman beaters?

If they had killed John McCain, they would've soon joined him.
You don't eliminate a valuable propaganda asset.
The higher ups wouldn't have been pleased.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that if there was no hot war in Vietnam, it could have morphed into an Atomic exchange between the USA against the Soviet Union?
It was the steam kettles release. Lots of proxy wars where started by the Soviets & there pawns as well. Angola by Cubans for one.
I think Vietnam might have saved us millions of lives. Those men did not fight for nothing. In time historians will know the nity gritty. It might also be noted that this period was the longest without a “major” war since Roman times. So much so Canadians started to believe the BS, that armed forces are for peace keeping.

Dawg is a twit. I'm surprised how often people forget that fact.

Does anyone really read Dawg's Blog? If so, why? The telephone book makes better reading.

If people who host blogs like this think political attacks based on opinion represent what others have died for in efforts to protect freedom of speech, I question in what kind of atmosphere were you raised in? A heavy side of this site is not speech to be protected rather views of hate that should be avoided. Secondly, did you have the chance to go to any post secondary education institute where debate, dialogue and comparative analysis was commonplace? Some of the things said here, starting with Kate's subject topics, are just stupid talk. Using labels to define individuals as "left" and "right" is the language of simpletons who understand little else but what others tell them to say.

If you want to see a classic example of left-wing hypocrisy, compare its views on Vietnam versus the Rwanda genocide.

Clowns like Gerry Caplan are still trashing Bill Clinton and the United States for non-action to prevent the Rwanda tragedy.

But other clowns trash the U.S. for intervening in Vietnam to possibly prevent, given the history of communism in the Soviet Union and China, another genocide.

In the event, the genocide was next door in Cambodia, and Vietnam invaded in 1979 which presumably helped put an end to it.

But still, to the left wing, the real reason they object to the actions of the U. S. in Vietnam is that it was fighting against evil.

The ignorance of the Vietnam war is amazing.

Eisenhower placed US military advisers into the South (republic of Vietnam or RVN) after the partition when the French colonial forces withdrew.

JFK continued and expanded the MACV (Military Assistance Command Vietnam) program to about 12,000 advisers and support troops.

LBJ increased the MACV program but when the Republicans accused LBJ of being "soft" on communism, he escalated the US involvement to include non-advisory ground troops in the summer of 1964 in order to counter the Republican charges and win the 1964 presidential election. From there, things went out of control and the US and its allies (ROK, Philipines, Austrailia and New Zealand). Nixon did get the US from Viet Nam but it left RVN in a poor battle position.

The 1973 Paris peace treaty ended US direct involvement. The congressional funding cuts (not cut off) for RVN occurred in 1975. The congress refused to increase funding for inflation erosion of the amounts agreed in the Paris treaty and the increased NVA (North Viet Nam) offensive rendered the appropriated funds woefully inadequate.

Sen. Byrd is stepping down from his chairmanship?!?! I wonder how long it will be before anything new will be built in West Virginia.

justthinkin. sorry , not enough of us.