Beware of the woman scorned. She will bide her time and come back as the spokesperson for the white trash label that was placed on her. She will surprise

The two Liberal candidates that ran for President
gave no home for the right wing voter.
McCains camp can now go back to their 'bipartisan'
(see Liberal) agenda.
McCain was simply the lesser of two evils.
That wasn't enough this time.
The smears on Palin simply shows that she is dangerous to the "Red Tory" brand of Republican
Time for right wing Republicans to take back the party from the Democrat friendly bunch currently screwing it up.
History has shown over and over that when the Republicans run on a conservative platform, they crush. When they try to take votes from the mushy Liberals, they lose.
Bush was another fiscal Liberal. This was the actual the beginning of the end for the Republicans.
If all the 'smart' politicos would just get back to basics, the electorate would respond.

Palin wasn't the right person for the time.

I have no idea how intelligent she may be, but because of her environment she hasn't been exposed to a typical liberal arts education, therefore she can't Latinize and talk much (I would guess) about past civilizations, and European history, cold war politics, etc etc.

That doesn't mean that she isn't a good decision maker, or doesn't have brains, or would be a bad leader.

It just means that in general Western societal leadership terms, she doesn't have the typical "tool bag" that other typical political leaders have, because they've grown up in a stereotypical educational trajectory.

My favorite unorthodox politician is Harry Truman, again who didn't fit the mold. But he was extremely inquisitive and well read, mostly self-educated.

I wonder if Palin will be able to run on a campaign of "Hope and CHange"?

Via David Thompson:

davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2008/11/fairness.html

As a business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama will probably be our next President, and that my taxes and carbon fees… will go up in a big way. To compensate for these increases, I figure that the customer will have to see an increase in my costs to them of about 20%. So connect economic ankle to shin, shin to knee, knee to thigh, and I will have to lay off roughly 8 of my employees in my forced tithe to “The One.” This really, really bothers me. I believe we are family here and I wasn’t sure how to choose who will get to stay and who will have to go.

So, I strolled through the parking lot this morning and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on my employees’ cars. These folks will be the first to be laid off.

Fair?

Has anyone else noticed all these stories over the last few days about Palin regarding geography? Re; Africa, North America.

They are obviously bald face lies but the media is regurgitating them over and over.

It speaks to the RNC machine that they have not stopped these lies dead in their tracks.

Palin was the only reason they got as much of the conservative base as they got. With three liberals running on the two tickets, they needed someone they could relate to.

Doug...did anyone notice how little air time Obama got when he mentioned that he had visited all 57 states!?? Now that was just a slip of the tongue.

Guess that's what happens when you learn geography in Indonesia.

"They are obviously bald face lies but the media is regurgitating them over and over."-Doug

So where is your proof that they are obvious "bald face lies" Doug?

When there is that much smoke there is probably fire.

Perhaps the RNC is not trying to stop the rumours cause they also want her out of the picture for good. I think she is too polarizing to be a successful candidate. She is a love her or hate her politician. If her approval rating is a 50% plus sure but I dont see it happening, IMHO.

Erik, I would change it to 'Palin wasn't the right person for 'this political' time.

But at the rate the world economy is going, Palin sure would be the right survivalist person to have as a leader in the future.

Either her or Kate.
Ok, Kate it is.

I voted for McCain, not because of him, because of Palin. I knew McCain had crossed the rep's many times and I never really wanted him, but as we all saw. The MSN gave us him.
Now that it's over look what we see. McCain's people and I bet him too are trashing her instead of themselfs looking in the mirror.

Well I can say one thing for McCain, next time to cross over to join with the dem's on a bill. Just stay there!

And how about Biden saying FDR went on tv.
The msm ignored lots of serious gaffes, and now are slowly starting to ask questions. As Rush says, they have to try and CYA when the truth finally ges out to the public. Love the guy that will fire O supporters first. Most of his voters never thought his great ideas would affect them first. They are not big oil so had nothing to fear.

Good observation doowleb.

Two points which helped Obama that I haven't seen mentioned post mortem:

1) Obama appearing on O'Reilley factor and Bill stating afterwards that he was impressed by Obama's fight, determination and conviction. I had Fox on sat radio during the whole week of convention and Bill's interview with Obama was interesting to hear, remember no TV visual aid. Obama never backed down from Bill unlike the Barney Frank interview where Bill smited Barney over the Freddie Mac Fanny Mae debacle. Bill, the "long island Liberal" or more closely a JS Mills classical liberal in the sense, who speaks on behalf of the right in America gave Obama credibility to many of the undecideds who watch the Factor.

2) Colin Powell's announcement was the final nail for the undecideds. When a guy who was the salesman for the Iraq war on behalf of the Bush admin. comes out and backs an individual who opposed that same war originally, those centrist Americans, those undecideds, who also backed Bush than but eventually resented how the war turned out, finally had their redemption.

Game, set, match with a little help from 2 so called conservatives.

As others have mentioned America isn't any less conservative today than it was last week. Even California and 6 other states rejected gay marriage on Tuesday and anyone can see the spending of the Bush years as anything but conservative. Just as doowleb states, the so called politicos and punditocracy who claim to speak and act on behalf of Conservatives in America led to the election of Obama.

If only Governor Palin had been a victim of something, anything. But no. She just HAD to be college graduate and independent women and a success. She foolishly encourages her kids in good times and sticks up for her kids in rough times. Perhaps if she bad been ugly, or fat or that "thing" we can't even mention anymore. What self-loathing feminist could accept such a person?
What PC liberal man (?) could even consider looking at the legitimate resume of such a candidate? Imagine for one second if the press had crucified a person of colour on the same twisted and misinformation based jihad that the MSM went on to ensure that no woman who achieved success on the basis of merit got a fair viewing by the American electorate. I'd feel sorry for Governor Palin except she would slap my face for feeling sorry for her and she would be right to do so. So how about this; “I have a daughter, Governor Palin, and I sincerely hope she sees you as a role model, I certainly do.

"The smears on Palin simply shows that she is dangerous to the "Red Tory" brand of Republican"

BINGO

Sometimes you must be careful what you wish for. S.Palin is exactly who we thought she was! She's a reformer, and the old'boys might soon find out they are next in the scope. That is why they attack Palin at this time, out of fear.

Conservatives MUST stop letting the other side define who we are. As long as S.Palin is a factor in national politics, the left and the media are not going to relent on the attacks. No one can truthfully believe that S.Palin hurt the McCain ticket, the people who suggest it are either partisan Democrats, or Republicans who fear for themselves under S.Palin's leadership.

One should ask themselves what kind of person would choose to live for the next 4 years under this scrutiny? I for one would not blame her if she said f'it.

Until people start attatching names them I wouldnt pay too much attention to this.

Proof, there is no proof either way, but this is the same as the "she wasnt pregnant rumour"...the outlandish accusation gets made then people cluck when you dont stoop to prove it was untrue.

Provide some credible proof that the accutsation is true then it is worthy of denial. But "Mean Girl" like gossip using Newsweek as the "burn book" just isnt worth the time.

Palin may not be qualified, the bigger question is why are staffers so interested in hauling her down. I understand why the media is interested in fuelling it. MCCain ran an average to below average campaign, this was the prediction when he clinched the nomination because his team, like Dion's, was staffed with lots of rookies and neophytes.

You just walk away and call it a learning experience.

A select few are dumping on Palin, but she is a smart capable gal.

The proposition that Sarah Palin cost John McCain votes is nonsense. Those on the extreme left wouldn’t have voted Republican in any case. Sarah charged up the core voters and John appealed to the middle road. In the end the combined ticket still pulled up 55.6 million votes. Nowhere near a complete blowout.

Notably the Same Sex Marriage ban ballots were won in California (no less), Arizona and Florida. The proposition that social conservatism, even in normally libertine California, was a tipping point on the ticket is not born out by these referendums.

As Mark Twain would have it, vis a vis social and fiscal conservatism is hardly dead:

“The news of my demise is greatly exaggerated.”

In my view, the worst financial crisis in some 80 odd years, would be a better bet. The hurricane just happened to land in the middle of the election.

Considering the McCain/Palin ticket was outspent by 5 to 1, and some discontent with now 8 years of a Bush presidency, the Republican ticket was getting ‘long in the tooth’ in ‘guilt by association’ rightly or wrongly. In the longer run, history may in fact be kinder to Bush than the MSM cheer leading squad.

The McCain/Palin ticket probably did as well as one could reasonably expect given the headwinds they were fighting.
Take the loss graciously, retool, regroup, refocus and be ready for 2010.

The blame game is for poor sports.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North

Watch for Palin to run for senator in the next
senatorial elections. Give her some time to get her feet wet in Washington first and then- Watch out!

I hear many times that America is a "center right" country.

But perhaps a better term would be the people who vote are center right. This time was different the left and youth showed up.

I dont think that the Calif prop 8 is a good example as Glenn stated. It was a narrow victory with a very confusing question (vote no if you want it-vote yes if you dont) there is bound to be a few voting errors on that one.

Palin's biggest flaw was she was inexperienced and unprepared for what awaited her ...

In the past I have walked into a job interview where the people in charge obviously did not want to hire me. They had someone else in mind and the interview was (more or less) a formality that was forced upon them. Questions appeared out of both left and right field which are designed to be either so specific or so abstract that they're difficult to handle well.

This is what Sarah Palin walked into being that the news media really did not want McCain (and McCain-Palin in particular) to win the election. At times she froze up which is understandable ... an example of this was when she was asked which newspapers/magazines she read; personally I would have answered that "I don't read any newspapers or magazines, they're a dead format. I get most of my news from Google-News which is an aggregation of all news sources so I get a far less biased view of the world"

By the time we're heading into the 2016 election, Sarah Palin will have been around for long enough (and will have dealt with the media for long enough) that she will be able to have a very strong run for the presidency

Is "self made" a bad thing now? B.O. never ran anything profitably and despite all the puffery I have not heard he has used a shovel or hammer in his life. I think the Palin bashing is self flagellation for having too easy a life and feeling threatened.

In any major election campaign, particularly the U.S. Pres., there are winning sides and losing sides. The wining campaign workers get to write (at big fees) the "how to books", and get on T.V. and mag covers,the losing workers try to cover their butts with "its not my fault" I had a stupid candidate who did not follow my winnig ideas. I note in passing Carl Rove is about to write his on the Bush wins.

Stephen

There is a considerable difference in info source when ALL of the media outlets report the latest stories compared to the pregnancy example that was on crap blog pages that you are using as a defence, as they all must be false then.

it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

Have to agree with a lot of you about SP. The R's had to pick a VP that wouldn't outshine the Joh Mc. Unfortunately they picked Palin while she was a rosebud and to their discomfort she blossomed during the campaign. Now the problem for the Republicans is that she has been exposed to the American public and has been resoundingly accepted by them. The Republicans now have to discredit her and remove her as a threat for the next election, problem is she resonates with the people and if she plays her cards right there is a great possibility that with four years to groom herself she could be elected as the first woman independant president in America. This would greatly overshadow Obama's distinction as the first "black" president. Both the Dem's and the R's know that SP could be a force to be reckoned with in 2012. Look for the Dem's to try and curtail the power of the internet during the next four years since they know that the MSM will be of little value to them if the real truth gets out there through sites like this and others.

You should check out what Bob Parks aka Black & Right has to say about this!

The so-called "women's groups" certainly showed their true colours during the campaign. Sarah Palin is the governor of a state for God's sake ... granted, not a large state, but a state nonetheless. This position is not simply handed out. She has shown herself to be independent, hard-working and able to get things done.

Yet the feminists took great pains to savage her at every opportunity when, in fact, they should have been heralding her accomplishments.

I wonder if Palin would have received more support from these groups if she had achieved her successes via some whiny,grievance-driven route or been rewarded through some gender-based affirmative action program.

The feminist rejection of Palin was based on fear, loathing and envy ... plain and simple.

she hasn't been exposed to a typical liberal arts education, therefore she can't Latinize and talk much (I would guess) about past civilizations, and European history, cold war politics, etc etc

palin thought africa was a country. since when is world geopraphy a liberal art?

I think if Palin was running for anything other than a lackey job (Vice Prez) she'd get demolished. However, in 4 years a person can learn alot. She just needs some serious education about the world outside of Alaska...thinking that South Africa is just a region of the country Africa, etc. isn't just a gaffe like saying there's 57 states, its a fundamental ignorance of the rest of the world.

Once she brushes up on stuff like that, figures out what her policy and beliefs are (i.e. campaign platform) she might have a shot.

RofC,

"There is a considerable difference in info source when ALL of the media outlets report the latest stories compared" in what way? Media outlets are just regurgitating the original story. If the original story is false, it being repeated over and over doesn't make the story true.

I guess, if you tell a lie over and over people will believe it.

Do you actually believe it when an 'anonymous source' says that a person with a communications-journalism degree, doesn't know that Africa is a continent or is your first thought that the source may be less than credible?

Glenn and others

for the last time O'REILLY IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!

My friend R. the Pennsylvanian was a card-carrying Republican until 1999. Since then he has drifted farther and farther to the left and is now a certifiable moonbat; but I believe him when he says that the Republican party backroom boys are complete scumbags. The treatment of Sarah Palin tends to confirm his view.

jeff davidson

"We" (whomever that includes) live in a rarified atmosphere.

I've watched segments of "Jay Walking" a few times on YouTube, and have been totally astonished

"Jaywalking: A pre-taped segment where Leno asks people questions about current news and other topics in public areas around Los Angeles (usually Hollywood Boulevard, Melrose Avenue or Universal Studios). Most responses are outrageously incorrect (one person believed that Abraham Lincoln was the first president, another could not identify a picture of Hillary Clinton. etc)." (from wikipedia)

I don't know who is behind this assasination of Palin, but I agree that the backroom Republican leaders are scum. I don't see how Palin can come back from this. It's a given that nobody really knows whether it is true or not, and there are people named Romney who want Palin gone. Now! Trouble is that the press hates Palin. When she was presented unfiltered by the press, she was very effective, but that doesn't matter, does it? This stuff will get repeated endlessly, like the meme that Bush lied about Iraq. To this day I have never got a lefty to give an example of an actual Bush lie, BTW. It will be the same with Palin.

If the Republicans think that trashing Palin is going to get anybody to like them, they are beyond stupid.

erik,

it is unreasonable to expect a candidate for vice-president to have a grade 6 education?

Cut her some slack, Jeff. She started out as a journalist.

Palin was the only reason they got as much of the conservative base as they got. With three liberals running on the two tickets, they needed someone they could relate to.

In the past I have walked into a job interview where the people in charge obviously did not want to hire me. They had someone else in mind and the interview was (more or less) a formality that was forced upon them. Questions appeared out of both left and right field which are designed to be either so specific or so abstract that they're difficult to handle well. This is what Sarah Palin walked into

she has been exposed to the American public and has been resoundingly accepted by them

When she was presented unfiltered by the press, she was very effective, but that doesn't matter, does it?

Some people need to get out more. A LOT more.

Before Katie Couric's interview with Palin, McCain-Palin were above Obama-Biden in the polls. AFTER the interview, immediately after, that flipped and never went back.

She looked like a complete fool in the Couric interview as acknowledged by many Republicans and conservatives. And the questions by Couric were completely fair and ordinary - no "gotchas" - and Couric gave her plenty of chances to give a full answer. Heck, she looked like a complete fool in Hannity's interview and he gave her the answers when she stumbled. THAT was Palin unscripted and "American" did not and do not resoundingly accept her. Very much the opposite. Hardcore rightwing Americans do, no question, but since when is someone merely sharing the same beliefs as you the equivalent of competence?

Ted

I agree, sadly, Palin was overeager to attempt to prove herself when she was not yet "ready" and not versed in the art of obfuscation.

When asked which papers she read, (other have provided model answers), one ploy would be to say "well, I try not to name names, because that favours one brand over the other. i like to get my information from a broad range of sources, not only print, but also electronic media such as television or through different websites. Exposure to a wide variety of views helps me see the viewpoints of others".

etc, etc, blah blah blah.

In my opinion, journalists have become extremely lazy over the past few years, letting their subjects get away with answers like that, unless they have personal antipathy towards the people.

Boilerplate non-answers seem to have gone over well with certain candidates, and certain areas seem to be "off-limits".

I was hoping really hard that she would prevail but she did not. I think some of that was because of naivete, poor handling and being skewered by the very people who should have been helping her. She was not the typical "fem" politician. The press was absolutely brutal. She was pilloried for some of the things she said, while Obama and Biden said equally questionable things (and worse) but were never ridiculed over and over again for them. I consider it far more worrisome when the new President considers HIS country to consist of 57 States than for Palin to mistake Africa for a country--though they're both rather surprising errors for persons who are aiming at leading the USA. And for some reason now, members of the Republican campaign machine are dumping on her (anonymously of course) trying to blame her for their loss. Why should she bear that responsibility? She was chosen because of qualities that they thought might appeal to a certain demographic and she more than delivered. If they read the voters wrong or if they retroactively wish Ms. Palin had been something other than what she was, it's their own fault. If fault can be ascribed, it was mostly due to the financial meltdown that occurred right in the midst of the campaign. People were scared, betrayed and angry and they had no better way of expressing that than voting against the Republicans. Nobody is talking anymore about McCain's unsuitability because of his age and health but if the Republicans want to savage themselves over this loss, they should spread the blame around a little more equitably than throwing all of it on Ms Palin.

It must be obvious, even to those that believe what they see and hear in the MSM, that Palin was set up by members of McCains loyal staff. This would include the fake phone call from the Quebecer posing as Nicolas Zarkozy. The staffer must have told her the French President was on the line for her to take the call.

McCain like Dole is an old man and women will not vote for an old man. The Republicans cannot seem to figure that out.

Indiana Homez,

that's why I called him a Long Island Liberal.

Maybe you should let the rest of America know. We don't get to vote.

palin added 20 million votes to the ticket.

"Hardcore rightwing Americans"

Like the ones in California who voted for Obama and for a ban on gay marriage? Those hardcore rightwing Americans? or some other hardcore rightwing Americans? Maybe the ones in Florida who did exactly the same thing? Those ones?

Stupid, meaningless terminology forms the basis for most political discussion. Which is stupid. It makes me want to stick pine cones up my nose and rabbit punch myself into a coma while jumping up and down on broken bottles of iodine. Really.

McCain like Dole is an old man and women will not vote for an old man. The Republicans cannot seem to figure that out.

Reagan's youth was his winning strategy I guess.

Still won't forget Reagan's zinger with Mondale, which my son and I were looking at yesterday.

"I don't want to make age an issue in this campaign. I will never hold my opponents youth and inexperience against him!"

One for the Gipper.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North

"Like the ones in California who voted for Obama and for a ban on gay marriage? Those hardcore rightwing Americans? or some other hardcore rightwing Americans? Maybe the ones in Florida who did exactly the same thing? Those ones?

No like the ones who are dogmatic in their beliefs and support, the ones some like to call "the base", the ones who would never consider voting for a Democrat, the ones Karl Rove identified as those who stayed at home rather than vote Bush Sr. or Dole. The ones who believe in, among other things, no abortion, no gun control, no equal marriage and would never vote for someone who believed otherwise on any of those issues.

The "20 million" old white guy thinks voted McCain-Palin only because of Palin. Like to know what evidence there is for that, actually, because I don't buy it although I accept that it could be true.

One thing that was certainly documented as true - both in polling and in fundraising - is that Palin inspired at least as many voters to vote Obama as McCain. Couple that with the fact that the Republicans dropped as soon as she wasn't reading from a teleprompter and you have to conclude that, even if she did "energize the base", she was clearly a net negative for the Republicans.

Here's what I said on August 29th, as her selection was announced:

__________________________ quotes self!

My first thought was that this seems initially like a clever pick.

But on second thought it becomes too obvious a ploy to pick up the "young" and "woman" vote, and smack of opportunism. More importantly, although she seems like a fine person, she is young and seemingly very inexperienced in US government, let alone on the world stage. It becomes very hard to criticize Obama on the very real issue of lack of experience (the most important one, in my mind) when you are picking a similar, or even weaker in that regard, person to be a heartbeat of a 70+ year old from the presidency.

Dunno how this will play out in the coming weeks, but I am concerned that this will not work out well.

____________________________end quote.

In hindsight, I think I was right. Painfully so.

She does seem like a good person. And it did seem like she was in totally over her head. After a good convention speech, it spiraled down into a disaster. The media destroyed her, and will do so again next time.

Personally, I don't think she has a future in national politics. And if she is on the ticket in 2012, and if the next Republican ticket does not get itself into the 21st century, the US will remain an "obamanation" for longer than 4 years.

Well said eyeswideshut. Speaking of ignorance, Obamma claims his grandmother, born in 1923, lived through two World Wars and the Great Depression!

People need to quit slamming "the base". These are the people who affect change from within. The "undecided" may be pandered to during the campaigns, but it is "the base" who steer the ship.JMO

Agree Lori - and I would guess that some of the dirt that is coming out now is a "shot across the bow" for Palin should she still harbour those ambitions.

Gawd, why do I keep on reading "seems initially like a clever *pick*" incorrectly?

It worries me to think that rather than going off behind the woodshed to repair itself, the Republican party is now going to engage in 2 years of civil war to decide which direction they are going in.

They had a pretty good run in the last 10 years, and tt may be that more than one election failure is needed to convince American conservatives that the Carl Rove approach is not the right one.

Sure seems like our Liberals need more than one election failure to "get it", but for that I am grateful. I will not be pleased about 8 or more years of demoncat rule in the US.

Personally, I'd like to see Palin appoint herself to the Senate to replace Ted Stevens when his conviction is upheld. If the Democrats and Republican REMFs don't mind their manners, let them deal with 30 million e-mails from her outraged supporters.

Sarah Palin was actually the only true conservative in the race, which is why the bulk of the leftist anger was directed at her. To quote Tom Mountain, a journalist, instead of sporting a NOW button, Sarah wore a NRA one (National Rifle Association. Not only does she believe in gun ownership, she is actually a hunter - horror of horror. She has been known to hunt moose that the metrosexuals only see in National Geographic. Worse yet she skins them, carves them up and eats them, which means she is a meat eater. Her husband does not even have an MD, Ph.D or JD attached to his name and he works with his hands. He is a fisherman and an oil field worker working for those greedy oil tycoons who want yet to drill for oil and disrupt caribou mating habits. Unlike those feminists' gentle, progressive, modern (submissive) husbands, he probably drinks Budweiser, watches NASCAR, shovels his own driveway and does not know what it is like when your stockbroker or shrink goes away on vacation for a week. Sarah married him after she finished not Wellesley, not Smith, not Vassar, but the University of Idaho. Oh, and she never even took a few years off after university to find her inner self before launching a career as an independent working woman. Furthermore she dove right into marriage and had five kids - one of whom joined the military and she is even proud of the fact that he is on his way to Iraq.

The liberal mantra dictates that because Sarah did not bring her daughter to the Planned Parenthood centre at age 13, the girl got pregnant. Worse yet is that instead of marching her down to the abortion clinic, Sarah encouraged her to have the baby. Not only that but her daughter is actually marrying the young man. Because Sarah does not believe in abortion, she opted not to terminate her own pregnancy, despite knowing that her child would be born with Down Syndrome. She actually regards the baby as a blessing. She belongs to one of those very non-progressive Christian churches that believes in the power of prayer and she even encouraged her constituents to pray for victory in Iraq. Praying for victory in a war makes the liberals go nuts.

Being clearly to the right of McCain, she generated the biggest hate and smear campaign from the Left.

That's all fine, Alain. She's a great person and an example for families everywhere.

But please explain to me what in any of that makes her qualified or competent to be President of the most power nation in history?

(And no, Obama is not qualified either, is not an answer.)

Governor Palin is enormously popular with the conservative elment of the Republican Party. We make up about a third of Republicans, and feel that she is definitely one of us.

She wasn't being considered for the presidency; she was asked to be the candidate for Vice President. Frankly, it is hard to imagine a better position for a deeper contextual understanding of world affairs than four years as Vice President.

Furthermore, a lot of the stuff leaked by the press has turned out to be untrue. She never went to the door in a bathrobe. The African comment was in the middle of a time crunch situation with dozens of questions and assertions being thrown around without a moment to correct some mis-speaking.

Unless you're talking about science or something, all you have to do is read ten good books on any subject to become a relative expert.

There is a bright future for her among conservatives. If she wants to parlay this experience (I can't imagine why she would want to) into a presidential bid in the future, she will certainly get a lot of conservative support.

Lastly, I want to thank a couple of you for putting "Red Tory" into an American context for me. I've been posting here for almost as long as the site's existence, and I see now I had never really understood this term. And you're damned right -- in the Republican Party we have a lot of lousy Red Tories, and we are going to do everything we can to get rid of them.

The smears and ugly attacks against Governor Palin are unlike anything I've ever seen before. They were outright disgusting. I don't believe anything coming from the media about her. Unless Sarah Palin says it to my face, it's nonsense as far as I'm concerned.
But if you question Fool-Mouth Joe Biden or the faux-messiah, you are a racist and various other vulgar epithets. No one can tell me how Obama is a wonderful leader but they can tell me to shut my mouth, implying that the new Dear Leader is above criticism.
Makes me want to back Sarah Palin more.

Correction.
Most of the Republican Party are conservatives. There may be 10 or 15% that would fit the Red Tory category. So when I say that Palin has the support of conservatives, she has the support of 90% of the Republican Party.

"I have no idea how intelligent she may be, but because of her environment she hasn't been exposed to a typical liberal arts education, therefore she can't Latinize and talk much (I would guess) about past civilizations, and European history, cold war politics, etc etc."

She majored in journalism and went to several liberal arts schools. Also, knowing the countries and NAFTA and that Africa is a continent, not a country, is part of the "liberal arts" education you learn by merely existing.

Whether the allegations against her are true or just an attempt to pin the blame on her, we'll never know for sure. I went from being impressed with her, to being on the edge with her, to being completely disgusted with her, so I'm inclined to believe there's some truth to what her former aides are saying.

"They are obviously bald face lies but the media is regurgitating them over and over."-Doug

So where is your proof that they are obvious "bald face lies" Doug?"

So you are trying to convince me that Palin, the governor of a state, a former city mayor, a person who gradualted from University with a journalism degee did'nt know that Africa was a continent and didn't know who makes up NAFTA.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!

I equate her stature somewhat to our premier in B.C. Gordon Campbell. Both BC and Alaska are major contributors of natural resources to both the continental USA and other parts of the world. And you are trying to convince me that the head of a state supplying those natural resources which involves the NAfTA agreement didn't know the participants in that aggeement.

Give your head a shake.

And comments/smears such as the one where she apparently opened to door to her hotel room while wearing a bathrobe are positively hillarious.

I watched a democratic comentator on Fox last night who was with Palin on part or her campaign and she said the insinuation that she was a shop-a-holic- is absurd. She said simply there wasn't time to do ANYTHING but campaign.

If you really gives this stuff some thought it soon becomes obvious a lot of it defies logic.

Horny toad

And my God, for a group of people that advocate self-responsibility, you sure seem to be able to blame McCain's loss on any number of external factors, many resembling conspiracies. Bootstraps, people, boostraps.

I hope the terrible campaign McCain ran and the terrible selection of Palin will jolt the Republican party back to Goldwater, Nixon, Ford, etc. If McCain had campaigned on the economy, he might've had a leg to stand on (another reason why Palin sucked: she offered no advantage to the campaign in this regard. Romney would've been much, much better).

Let's stop making excuses for these people like they're spoiled children and start holding them accountable. Palin's a hockey mom, but she's not a hockey player; you don't have to blindly root for her like you would your favourite sports team.

It continues to amaze me how 'conservatives' eat their own,one would think dealing with the media spin would be enough to circle the wagons.
Palin was a lightening rod for true conservatives in this election and without her "the one" may have had that hoped for landslide. I would support her in a heartbeat.

I remember years ago when Trivial Pursuit was just introduced and we were playing it with my sister-inlaw, a college educated Californian. We could not believe how little world knowledge she had and we even knew far more American history than she did! She admitted they were not taught what we in Canada considered the basics. She completed her BA at York and we let her stay.

Of course today we are seeing the same slippage of education here now. Remember the Dion interview on CTV at all or his question and answer session with high school kids with basic questions he couldn't answer or Mercer asking business people in Chicago during the summer about Canadians living in igloos just across the lake?

How about the hatred from Chris Matthews on CNN when Palin was announced as the VP selection. The MSM despised her as a threat to the "ONE". We always are complaining how the MSM butchers Harper.

She may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but we don't know how she was coached and urged to change her personality for the Couric interview. She seemed great on the VP debates.

I would be amazed if these stories were true about her buying all these clothes and being so difficult to deal with. Seems in sharp contrast to what people who know her and deal daily with her. She lives in a normal house, why would she want all this crap.

I will hold my opinion of her until she or unbiased sources confirm what has been said about her is true or not just speculation.

So many women I have met seemed to dislike Palin and resented her for undefined reasons, just a feeling they had, scary.

Shameful the way the Rhino’s are treating her, as well as the closet Liberals. Another guy who will not take the blame for his own sins. Kathleen Parker with Peggy Noonan should be looking for new work or a new audience . There true blue colors came out of hiding. Involuntarily in one case. Unfortunately this is what we have come to expect from Journalists. Sarah Palin. Frankly she was the only one who had the guts to go the distance with verve, while the old man tottered.

McCain adviser Nicole Wallace defended Palin on NBC's "Today Show" Friday morning, saying the Alaska governor "did nothing wrong."

"She is, perhaps, the most un-diva politician I've ever seen," she said. "The only thing I've ever seen her ask for is a diet soda."

GAFFs

obama made them by the truck load

biden made them by the super tanker full

mcCain also made them

so now why are WE discussing palin's gaffs

I can assure you people that americans ( and many canadians ) now sfa about most things outside their daily existance

and then again, bush was pillared for his gaffs, which were simply expressions of his dyslexia

so those who (and I seen much of this)denigrated bush for his gaffs only proved their own stupidity, and their own ignorance, and ignorance is much of the discussion in here today

so, let me point out that most in here (including you teddy) would fare no better , to much worst than sarah did under the circumstances

now I'll just wait and see what sarah is really about, as I'v not seen enough of her or about her to make any determination

Hey Gym: that's exactly my point. I actually assume she is not nearly as foolish as she appears, but at the same time I've seen nothing to rule that out, let alone to take the view that she is this super-intelligent powerhouse unleashed who will be a great president as so many hardcore conservatives claim. There is just simply no evidence of it.

What we do have is polling evidence that McCain's numbers took a dive at the same time as her interviews came out and Americans started to hear her more. She certainly didn't lose the election for McCain but she clearly did not help either.

Jemma 54,
"...Obamma claims his grandmother, born in 1923, lived through two World Wars and the Great Depression! "

Yeah, I remember, she and Joe Biden both watched FDR on the telly.

ted, if you missed my point by any wider margin, I would almost suggest that you missed it on purpose.

That can't be, of course.

Gym & Ted:
Governor plain is the Governor of Alaska.
Her approval rating by those who know her is over 80% (At least it was when she entered the race)
She has many achievements which are all on the record.
Her achievements are easily found if one takes the time to look.
This lady is no dummy.
Take it to the bank.

Sarah Palin--the has been who never was!! John McCain--the man who blew it for the Repubes! Is that really all that hard to fathom! It's really that simple! In the end, someone had to win! Better luck next time!

I especially like seeing all those home snapshots of her hauling in fish in her designer duds. /sarc off
The media will believe anything and everything if it discredits her or her intelligence. Frankly, she made Biden look like a buffoon in their debate, and post debate analysis shows Biden made factual error after error i.e France and the U.S. "kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon" This from the guy who's expertise is foreign policy?
The truth is that she is a real conservative with a real record. In 4 more years she will have 6 years of Governor executive experience under her belt in energy rich Alaska, and a much better insight into how to play the game. She is a threat and some don't like it. McCain's campaign was a disaster and now these incompetents are looking for a scapegoat. Hannity and Colmes and Greta all had people - Rick David being one- who debunked these allegations. Sarah will be on Greta on Monday night if anyone is interested.

[quote]I believe him when he says that the Republican party backroom boys are complete scumbags. The treatment of Sarah Palin tends to confirm his view.[/quote]

Yes that’s about right! McCain had anarchy among his Aids. It should be noted that Carly Fioina (former female CEO of HP) was the financial twit... It would seem reasonable to assume she is up to her usual tricks. McCain can't manage shit... good he lost..

TED,
Smirking Katie Couric was/is overrated. She keep her job at NBC with special favors to special PLL. She did learn to read the teleprompter & listen to the IFB (in ear). She released selective snippets meant to discredit Sarah Palin . Katie’s Production crew would have found/created embarrassing snippets regardless of what Sarah said, Network Production research does nothing by chance (obama’s crew, most likely, was in Katie’s ear.. IFB) Katie will be gone from CBS.. who would trust her?

BTW: Who the Hell thinks they Know who is qualified for any job? It is what it is.

The fascinating thing will be to watch what happens with the lower 48 going broke, and watching state taxes continue to go higher and higher, while Alaskans keep getting money back (I assume) from the state.

Also, the phone will ring from the White House to the Alaskan governor, asking how's that whole pipeline thing going . . . . . . . . . . .

When Palin runs for President in 2012:

McCain Aide: Knock, Knock
Palin: Who's there?
McCain Aide: Disloyal muck-spreading McCain aide
Palin: Disloyal muck-spreading McCain aide WHO?!

They've just blown their future employment prospects... with the Republicans, at least...

I was talking to one of my daughter's friends this weekend, and she explained to me how her professor taught her that Palin charged for rape kits in Wasilla.

Which, if it is true, it is pretty strange that not one person so charged has ever been identified, nor has any record of such a charge been found. Though it did happen elsewhere in Alaska.

Also, Alaska passed a law banning the practice, which USA Today said was aimed at Wasilla, yet Wasilla was never once mentioned in the debate for the bill.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODA1YWM5ZjM2ZTU5ODliZTY2NTczMGUwZWYwNTVlMTQ=

But what are a few lies when you are trying to get a Democrat elected?