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November 5, 2008

Is There Nothing That Obama Can't Do?

The healing begins!

Your sickening unAmerican traitorous, racist, money-grubbing, torturing, hateful ideology got struck a death blow and you and your fellow jackal-blowhards are left writhing on the floor, gasping for breath as the final death tremors subside and your bodies stiffen into rigour mortis.

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Posted by Kate at November 5, 2008 12:30 PM
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i just can't wait until the Bog O puts the squeeze on all the Peace at any price crowd in Europe for thousands of troops for the war he said he will wage in Afghanistan and the invasion of Pakistan he said he would launch. Taliban Jack is gonna hate the Big O when he pressures Harper for soldiers.

And any guess how much longer the gay marriage crowd in torrana will bow & scrape before him when the realize he is against gay marriage ?

A very target rich political environment this Obama presidency, very target rich.

He who promises everything to everyone will eventually screw everybody.

Posted by: Fred at November 5, 2008 12:55 PM

is it just me or did Real lose his fake arab/muslim typing persona.

Posted by: cal2 at November 5, 2008 1:01 PM

It will be painful, but this election is good news. The only true cure for socialism is to actually get it; the US is about to get a big fat dose of cure for what ails them. The only problem, as with Bob Rae, is that Obama likely will not remain in office for enough terms to really twist the knife and cause the pain that is needed for socialism to be rejected forever (or at least for a few generations of the people who actually experienced it).

What America really needs, to drive the message home, is for Obama to be a 4 term president. Not Constitutional you say? When has a Marxist, anywhere in the world, voluntarily left office?

Posted by: Kevin at November 5, 2008 1:04 PM

And I, for one, welcome our new negro overlord.

Posted by: bob at November 5, 2008 1:07 PM

You would think that they would be in a better mood now that they have won. But maybe they enjoy the hate. Is that it bob?

Posted by: Tim in Vermont at November 5, 2008 1:10 PM

Want to know how this Yank feels this AM? Imagine if you woke up and the NDP had won and Jack Layton was to be your new PM. There's no gilding the lily here-Obama winning is a catastrophe. I'd even -gagging here- prefer Hillary.

Posted by: Dave in Pa. at November 5, 2008 1:12 PM


Well for me, Obama is just an empty suit. There’s just no “there” there.

I’m guessing that a lot of people with overly-optimistic expectations are going to be very disappointed in the next four years.

However, we survived four years of Jimmy Carter in the White House…I’m sure we’ll survive four years of Obama there as well…

Posted by: Bruce at November 5, 2008 1:13 PM

I'm actually okay with how everything turned out. Here's why:

1) The electoral college victory was huge... but the popular vote was VERY close. The dems haven't "crushed" anything.
2) The Bush card is now out of the deck. They played it very successfully this round - good for them... but it's gone now.
3) The dems control both houses and the presidency... so when things go pear-shaped over the next 4 years they are the only ones that will be blamed. A FUD campaign like this one wouldn't be effective since the dems are the scary wingnuts in control.
4) Democrats typically campaign left and govern center.
5) It's unlikely Obama will be able to deliver on most of his promises so once the campaign high wears down I see his support fragmenting when the far left nutbars don't think he's being "progressive" fast enough (sound familiar?).
6) The republicans need time to purge the old guard from the party (especially the likes of Cheney) and refocus on what their core values are. If McCain had won there wouldn't have been the real soul-searching the party needs. They've now got 4 years to refocus and groom a REAL republican candidate. I doubt Obama will make it 2 terms...
7) I think Americans were so focused on being anti-Bush that they didn't pay much attention to what kind of "Change" Obama was proposing. When that sinks in I don't think people are going to be very pleased - especially when their paychecks get a lot smaller due to much higher taxation.

Posted by: bob at November 5, 2008 1:16 PM

I'm happy to know you're optimistic about surviving the next 4 years under Obama; it will prepare you for the following 4.

It will take at least 8 years to undo the destruction of the “superior” right wing ideology.

Posted by: Obama's your momma at November 5, 2008 1:19 PM

Fred

I suspect it will be the "center" thrown under the train in this case not the far left. As mentioned on another thread, Supreme Court appointments will have a long lasting social consequence, and fundamental changes to the constitution and free speech will be the methods the O uses to counter the "center's" discomfort with his presidency. Shenanigans is what got him into office and it will be shenanigans that he will use in an attempt to secure a 2nd, 3rd and 4th term.

If everything I say to you is a lie, then how can you know if what I'm telling you right now is the truth? The fact that Obama said he is against gay marriage doesn't mean squat. The only thing I do believe what the O and Biden said is that they will stand by Israel(like they have a choice). Everything else the O has said, has been rhetoric IMO.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at November 5, 2008 1:20 PM

I'm actually REALLY ok with how things turned out.
Here's why:
1) Sarah Palin is the future of the Republican Party....Ha ha ha.
2) See reason number 1

Posted by: bob and weave at November 5, 2008 1:27 PM

Tim raises a good point. The hate directed toward conservatives at this moment of Lefty victory is quite revealing.

Go ahead Lefties. Flail away. The more you tell us what you -really- think, the more your mask of caring tolerance gets pulled off.

Posted by: The Phantom at November 5, 2008 1:29 PM

Wow...just wow.

The hatred of the left just goose-steps on.

I hope the likes of him never show up on my doorstep. He sure as hell isn't invited.

In his ranting he probably came close to threatening inflicting grievous bodily harm.

Then, under fear of my life, family, castle doctrine, I would regrettably and hopefully not actually be required to feed him...

00-00-000-000-1 oz slug...

Feed until the threat ceases to exist.

BUT, then again. He's chickensh*t and most likely wouldn't show up...

...back to making someone's welfare cheque...probably his knowing my luck. :(

Posted by: Hard Right at November 5, 2008 1:31 PM

The comments of "Real" should surprise no one. It is no accident that socialists are the original fascists and totalitarians and Real simply proves the point. "Real" is trying on his new jackboots. The good news is that when Obama falters as he most certainly will when reality hits him and his words don't get the job done, "Real" will end up with those same jackboots well and truly put up his keister.

Posted by: John Luft at November 5, 2008 1:38 PM

How in the world you could expect the incumbent party to win in this environment is beyond me. Not to take away anything from Obama, he ran a good campaign, but it was their campaign to lose since the ground heavily favoured them.

That being said, he made impressive gains, taking Indiana! explain that one as a normal ebb and flow.

Trust the structure of the US constitution, it is your friend.

The Supremes...well I cant imagine any of the conservatives leaving in the first term. I am sure Ruth bader Ginsberg is relieved that she can now retire, replacing her is no net gain for Dems and getting someone mor moderate than her in woudl be a win for the conservatives. Obama wouldnt want to push through a hard leftie as his first nominee, not when his win has been this tenuous....you would only get that if he wins a Reagan like victory in his second term.

Who knows, he may even end up pulling a Bush 41, appointing a mirror image Souter, appears conservative but votes with the other side more often than not.

Obama is no innocent in the woods, so I expect there to be some sharp elbows. GOP got beat, GOP need to rethink, GOP needs to begin the process of planning the 2010 election cycle for the house, any vulnerable senators up for election in 2010?

Re the squeeze on the Europeans for Afghanistan....Hah! The Brits will get sucked in but the Germans wont. The Dutch are like us, done our duty tie to rotate out. The French might be willing for more....after that....fuggedabowtit...Harper wont extend unless he gets something for it, nicely played Steve, and that might include pressure from the Dems to the NDP to back the deal.

I am amazed at the left in this country who see Obama as someone like them. He is more Liberal left not NDP centre.

The funniest criticism is commentators saying Harper wont know how to connect with him, Obama is so different.....if it is because of race, well find me a Canadian politican who can relate to a Black American...temperment, similar, low key low emotion, strategic and calm...introverted thinkers....they both love sports, different ones mind you, young families of similar age, college educated, post graduate degrees, accomplished wives... and both have a religous conviction that neither wears on their sleeve....imagine for a moment that the Obama family moved into the neighborhood that Harper's lived in, you dont think the families would get along??....I think Harper will connect with Obama easier than some people think, more than with Bush, who was too "sales-manny" for "Steve".

Expect to see Steve and Obama at either a hickey game or a Bulls Raptors game. watch for it, it will happen. I believe the youngets daughters are the same age as well. They will become friends.

Probably the stupidest comparison was to Kennedy and Diefenbaker....there was a generation gap between the two men. There was a generation gap between Harper and Bush....Obama and Harper are peers generationally. Watch for it, they will become friends at a personal level.

Posted by: Stephen at November 5, 2008 1:39 PM

"If everything I say to you is a lie, then how can you know if what I'm telling you right now is the truth?"

What a pithy heuristic. Kinda like, if everything you say endorses Republican policies, then how can I know if what you're telling us is correct?

Posted by: Indiana luvs Obama at November 5, 2008 1:41 PM

To the gloaters....Had McCain won 1% more in Indiana, 2% more in Florida and 1% more in Ohio, he'd be president now. Obama's allies signed up at least 200,000 fraudulent voters in Ohio alone -- much more than the gap.

Not quite the "landslide" the Marxists were hoping for.

Posted by: John Luft at November 5, 2008 1:44 PM

Let the challenges begin. All the AFL/CIO members who knocked on doors and donated 5's & 10's and were promised jobs ! jobs ! jobs !

What ya goona do when they come for you Obama ?

voting "Present" is not allowed this go around.

"Nov. 5 (Bloomberg) — Asia’s leaders, led by an ascendant China, say they hope Barack Obama didn’t really mean those campaign promises to protect American trade. And if he did, they are in better shape to object than ever before.

To Asian ears, Obama’s calls for tougher labor and environmental rules and steps to reduce the U.S. trade deficit sound like thinly veiled protectionism, just as a global financial crisis makes exports more crucial than ever.

“The immediate concern with Obama will be economic relations,” said Wu Xinbo, deputy director of the Center for American Studies at Fudan University in Shanghai. “The U.S. will be less forthcoming in pursuing economic liberalization in the Asia region” because of concerns about jobs lost to trade."

english translation: we hold $15 trillion of your debt and do what we want or we call the loans.

Posted by: Fred at November 5, 2008 1:46 PM

I am going to make my predictions now, on the first day.

1. In 4 years, no one will admit that they supported Obama. It will be that bad.

2. If the Republicans run a Democrat in the next election, the Constitution or Libertarian party might just be able to come up the middle.

Posted by: Kevin at November 5, 2008 1:46 PM

Obama seems to be planning to extend the presidential four-year term in office. After all, this is the only job he has ever had and he'd like to keep it the easy way.

Posted by: violet at November 5, 2008 1:47 PM

bob, if you are actually a conservative, which I doubt, drop the "negro overlord" schtick.

Maybe there is a Nazi party in which you would feel more comfortable.

Posted by: Tim in Vermont at November 5, 2008 1:49 PM

So much gnashing of teeth on both sides. Obama will govern from the centre or he will be a one-term president, it's as simple as that. Americans have decided they didn't want anymore of the Bush presidency and McCain just seemed like more of the same. This doesn't represent a sea change in American attitudes. Rumours of the demise of the GOP are greatly exaggerated.

Posted by: RM at November 5, 2008 1:53 PM

The triumphant left, seeking revenge, will not be kicking down doors. As they already do, working from the Alinsky/Toohey playbook, they will be using all the legal, legislative and cultural weapons they can bring to bear. "Fairness Doctrine" is one example. In Canada, we already have "human right commissions" - will similar entities arise in the U.S. to enforce "correct thought"?

Posted by: CMP at November 5, 2008 1:55 PM

Oooh, somebody's in a bad mood. Wait until the faux-messiah falls flat on his face and the American people see what a big fraud he is.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at November 5, 2008 1:55 PM

Look who cares about the US election honestly. As a Canadian conservative I'm tickled pink over this. Stephen Harper can have a closer relationship with America now. The Bush card is out of the Liberal/NDP deck for good and Canadians are now in love with Obama. If Harper just meets with Obama a couple of times we'll be in good shape. There is the NAFTA re-opening danger but I think Obama will get bogged down in health care reform and economic duldrums for a while and will hopefully forget all that.

Posted by: John at November 5, 2008 1:58 PM

cal2,

I think you're correct, our buddy 'real' has immensely improved his english writing and comprehension skills (including our use of colourful adjectives) - impressive. He has even become nuanced enough in english to use rigour instead of rigor when in Canada - again impressive.


Posted by: cconn at November 5, 2008 1:59 PM

Regardless of what they think of as an ideological victory, these leftists still can't put a rational, coherent though together when they post. They only become more shrill and childish.

Not one leftist comment on the previous nights election thread had any content other than the expected childish remarks and vitriol. I think it's time to use the comment erasure button liberally. This would drive them nuts in their moment of perceived glory. Nowhere to spew their vile filth.

What's laughable though - what they don't seem to realize in their intellectually stunted brains is that many of Obama's policies are equal to, or more right wing than our own Conservative government - just because of the fully ensconced socialist nature of things in Canada.

Hell, even the Democrats still call it Canuckistan.

Furthermore, they don't realize that Obama, regardless of his past, is going to have to govern from the centre if he wants success and a positive, lasting legacy. As mentioned earlier, the popular vote was close. And the red states divide America right down the middle.

All of which makes these hard leftist types, commenting here, perpetual losers.

One of the first things offered for free should be a choice of razor blades or a length of rope. Also shipped for free, of course.

Posted by: irwin daisy at November 5, 2008 2:02 PM

Healing? They figure they have America on the ropes. They plan to send a new wave of carpetbaggers to take over the entire country. It's ironic that the original carpetbaggers were republicans.

I wouldn't be looking any black panthers in the eye for a little while. I expect open season on arrogant whiteys. I'm actually glad, because it's time we white Europians started remembering why we were in control for so long.

Posted by: dp at November 5, 2008 2:06 PM

Oh, by the way, the ALI_ROGER, real, new, etc. group believes they really helped win this one. I've got news for you guys. Obama will not be nearly as kind to you assholes as you thought he would. You're going to find yourselves in a world of hurt in short order. His administration will be the most paranoid in history. You think Bush tramped on your human rights and freedoms? Wait til Obama's new "patriot act" starts working.

Posted by: dp at November 5, 2008 2:14 PM

I can understand the bitterness of loss from conservatives. To get so thoroughly thrashed and to have 8 years of neo-conservativism so thoroughly rejected, has got to be a bitter pill to swallow. And I am not surprised at all that hyper-partisan Republicans and hyper-partisan Democrats are being as vitriolic and ungracious and idiotic and unAmerican toward each other as they all were in reverse 4 years ago.

I am a little surprised though that so many conservatives feel the need to invent facts about this loss.

First Kate puts up and keeps up total voting numbers that are incorrect, despite updating the post for other comments.

I see many Republican partisans making up this "he only won by 1 percent " or "1 percent shift and McCain wins". Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Obama got 52% of the popular vote, folks, and beat McCain by a quite whopping 6 percent (Source: www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/), not one percent.

The election results - the Senate and House trouncings too - should hopefully wake you up to reality-based world, not drive further into the imaginary.

Posted by: Ted at November 5, 2008 2:16 PM

Kate,
I'm taking a moment from printing up signs for my new work place, the exit ramp of the freeway.

They say, "Will work to pay tax penalties."

Incidentally, occasionally I have sent SDA a small contribution. I'm hoping I will not have to ask for that money back. Will wait and see what kind of tax bite will be leveyed by the Politburo. ;-)

Let me just add something on a serious note that may not be fully understood by all Canadians.

In the US conservatives have been muzzled for quite some time because the man we hoped to be a conservative president turned out not to be so conservative. And the man who managed to be our nominee likewise is not a conservative.

As a consequence, in order to support the lesser of two evils and not give aid and comfort to Democrats, we have been forced to be more moderate in our criticisms and objections.

Conservatism was not defeated by this election; it wasn't even on the ballot.

The country is still at least one-third conservative ideologically. Now we will have to find leaders who can articulate this conservative voice. After a brief respite conservatives will be energized by this election.

I just want to make it clear to Canadians that conservatism here is not in the position that Canada was in a few years ago when there were several conservative factions that were not unified. (Remember, Brenda S was vying for leadership of one of those factions.)

Republicans disappointed us in the House, and they got purged in 2006. All the people who were conservative before are still conservative. We have to wrest the Republican Party away from the Richard and Emily Gilmore faction who have more in common with liberals than they do other Republicans.

I feel pretty deflated right now, but it is very possible that from the ashes of this Republican defeat will come a very aggressive, charismatic, and conservative movement.

Posted by: Greg in Dallas at November 5, 2008 2:19 PM

Tim in Vermont,I was just trying to be funny doing a new take on the Simpson's meme ,although I think if we have a black man in the highest office in the land. We have to be a little more flexible on how we can say things about him, if only to respect the voices of the elders in society ,people that arent up to speed on the approipriete jargon, etc.

Posted by: bob at November 5, 2008 2:20 PM

I suspect Obama got about 150% of the black vote, so that means only about 35% of the white vote. A lot of conservatives stayed home, and for good reason.

Posted by: dp at November 5, 2008 2:22 PM

I have spoken to 7 Obama cheerleaders and none could describe a single political policy that he proposed. They all were caught up in charisma and personality and did not have a clue what he stood for!

Posted by: MJH at November 5, 2008 2:26 PM

Those who do not know history will be condemned to repeat it. A co-worker was gloating about how much better the US system and economy would work now. I responded "yup, just like under Carter." He looked puzzled. "What's wrong with Carter's presidency? He had a lot of good ideas."

This is the sound of my mind boggling.

Posted by: C_Miner at November 5, 2008 2:28 PM

Everyone needs to go out get some fresh air and do their Christmas shopping.
I was reading that only one time in U.S. history has the same party one for a third term in a row.
It was the Democrats turn.

Posted by: blanks at November 5, 2008 2:30 PM

It's surprising that there are so many comments regarding Real's incoherent rubbish. As hate-filled, gloating rants go, it's not even well done.

Verbal excrement such as that should be ignored ... or promptly flushed.

Posted by: biffjr. at November 5, 2008 2:30 PM

Interesting comment made on CNN last night: In the last 5 US Presidential elections, the candidate with the lesser/negligible/no military experience has always beaten out the candidate with more military experience.

Clinton (quasi draft dodger) beat Bush Sr (volunteered for combat duty, decorated war hero)

Clinton beat Dole (volunteered for combat duty, decorated war hero)

Bush Jr. (National Guard to avoid the draft, skipped out on full National Guard service with daddy's help) beat Gore (enlisted in the army (voluntarily but his draft number was coming up), served '69-71, didn't use daddy's connections to get out of Vietnam and once was acknowledged as "Soldier of the Month", far from war hero but better than Junior by far)

Bush Jr. beat Kerry (volunteered for combat in Vietnam, decorated war hero)

Obama (nadda) beat McCain (volunteered for combat in Vietnam, decorated war hero)

They were saying this is reflective of a generational shift which is probably true since in each case, the younger candidate was always the one to win.

Posted by: Ted at November 5, 2008 2:31 PM

omg, i can't spell read or write.

Posted by: blanks at November 5, 2008 2:31 PM

Complaining about gloating and taunts from liberals makes us look like whining cry-babies. I suggest that we hold our fire and wait for real targets, not crappy ones.

Posted by: RSP at November 5, 2008 2:38 PM

Could add as well:

Bush Jr. (National Guard to avoid the draft, skipped out on full National Guard service with daddy's help) beat McCain (volunteered for combat, decorated war hero)

Posted by: Ted at November 5, 2008 2:40 PM

Although I congratulate Obama/Biden on their victory, I cant' help but think these two will have "coyote syndrome" once the hangover subsides and they wake to see the reality the morning brings.
Kate, perhaps the topic heading should be changed from "Is There Nothing That Obama Can't Do?" to a more appropiate "Now Let's See What Obama CAN Do?"
Just a suggestion.

Posted by: Jan in Alberta at November 5, 2008 2:48 PM

Ted,

Your comment: "I can understand the bitterness of loss from conservatives. To get so thoroughly thrashed and to have 8 years of neo-conservativism so thoroughly rejected, has got to be a bitter pill to swallow." is one that I really enjoyed. Your entire post, actually, was rather amazing to hear from a Canadian Socialist, considering the ass-whooping you guys take at the polls every single election. Have the CCF/NDP, in their 75 history, every reached 21% in the polls? Let alone 51%.

I always rejoice in Canadians rejection of socialist ideology every election.

Posted by: Trent at November 5, 2008 2:53 PM

On another note, California, a state that went overwhelmingly Obama/democrat last night, voted to OVERTURN gay marriage.
So, it is the far left DEMOCRATS who have denied gays the right to marry, and not "right-wingers" and "neo-cons". Choke on that one. Of course the lefties here will pretend they didn't hear about California, or argue that it is really a "right-wing" state.
BTW, I support gay marriage and I am a CONSERVATIVE.

Posted by: Trent at November 5, 2008 3:00 PM

dp sez: . I'm actually glad, because it's time we white Europians started remembering why we were in control for so long.

Racist much?

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 3:01 PM

Trent: "I always rejoice in Canadians rejection of socialist ideology every election."

So do I and most Canadians, Trent.

Posted by: Ted at November 5, 2008 3:07 PM

Everyone needs to go out get some fresh air and do their Christmas shopping.
I was reading that only one time in U.S. history has the same party one for a third term in a row.
It was the Democrats turn.


actually I just did a count. there have been 6 times that the same party has "won " 3 or more times in a row. only once with democrats, FDR won 4 in a row, last time was two Ronnies then a George.

Posted by: cal2 at November 5, 2008 3:09 PM

a real win.


The United States presidential election of 1984 was a contest between the incumbent President Ronald Reagan, the Republican candidate, and former Vice President Walter Mondale, the Democratic candidate. Reagan was helped by a strong economic recovery from the deep recession of 1981–1982. Reagan carried 49 of the 50 states, becoming only the second presidential candidate to do so after Richard Nixon's victory in the 1972 presidential election. Mondale's only electoral votes came from his home state of Minnesota—which he won by fewer than 3,800 votes—and the District of Columbia. Reagan's 525 electoral votes (out of 538) is the highest total ever received by a presidential candidate. In the national popular vote, Reagan received 58.8% to Mondale's 40.6%.

Posted by: cal2 at November 5, 2008 3:17 PM

Ted,

What I can't seem to understand is why you assume that Bush was any kind of conservative.

The man INCREASED welfare entitlements, spending over-all, passed no legislation to speak of and didn't decrease anything but the nation's net worth. If the man is a conservative, JFK was General Franco.

In fact, W has more in common with Vietnam-starting JFK than any republican. I guess that's why all but 2 of the democrats in the senate voted with him on the war and most voted with him on everything else. To be consistent, if there was any repudiation of actual policy, you'd thing there would be a lot of unemployed democrats (along with the GOP) senators and house reps. But consistency isn't the voter's forte.

The voters acted and they will receive - with interest.

Posted by: Warwick at November 5, 2008 3:17 PM

Well, mr. Evans, we're talking about an election based almost solely on race. You think I'm racist? Out of all the comments, you think I'm racist? You just wanted to use that word, one way or another. You think that calling me racist means you are not. This election proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that racism is part of the human condition, and always will be. All we can do is minimize it, and not act out on our feelings. I deal with people from many walks of life on a daily basis, and some of them think I'm racist, but none of them believe it hurts them in any way. You can't change the way people feel.

Posted by: dp at November 5, 2008 3:17 PM

I like Obama just fine.

I'm aware of a few times when Obama has lied so I'm not out of line calling him a liar, or being suspect of things he says. That being said, I congratulate BO and wish him the best.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at November 5, 2008 3:19 PM

I find it interesting that he would bring up the trade deals at all. The number 1 and number 3 suppliers of oil to the US are Canada and Mexico. The largest supplier of loaned funds is China. Is he really going to bite the hand that feeds him?

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

Posted by: Kevin at November 5, 2008 3:22 PM

Greg in Dallas has it nailed pretty good. Hopefully the Republicans can renew themselves and find their roots. The Conservatives in Canada had to do that after the "Progressive Conservative" party went too far left to try and be everything to everyone.

BTW, they will have to find their roots AND fully utilize the new political atmosphere.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at November 5, 2008 3:23 PM

dp sez: "You think I'm racist? Out of all the comments, you think I'm racist?"

Yup. You're inferring some sort of white superiority. Thats racist.

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 3:31 PM

I thought McCain ran a very weak campaign. He made a serious error trying to mimic the change theme of the Obama campaign. Since neither properly articulated what they meant by change, it was easier to vote for Obama, especially for Democrats and others disenchanged with Bush.

Despite some of his rhetoric, I predict Obama will be a rather moderate president, if he can beat off the envirofanatics and unionists in his party. Americans will go back to the polls in two years for congressional elections, so there is a governor (pardon the pun) on what Obama can and should do.

WRT his ego/narcissism, that will be taken care of within the first year when he finds out doing is way harder than promising.

Obama's election offers Americans a chance for renewal, but he will have to tread carefully. He will be tested by some despot soon, then we will find out if he will be a weak or strong president.

Anti-americanism isn't going away with Obama's election. It will remanifest itself away from Bush derangement, but surely into something else. I also think he and Mr Harper share many values, including generational. They both have young families, good educations and are students of their societies. There are already noises being made about binational environmental policy.

Obama shouldn't risk alienating Canada by allowing protectionist elements in his party to try to destroy NAFTA. But, we will see - I think given the lack of specificity in Mr Obama's speeches and policies, nobody can make a really meaningful prediction of what his presidency will look like.

Posted by: Shamrock at November 5, 2008 3:32 PM

on the ball cal2!

Posted by: blanks at November 5, 2008 3:32 PM

"The hate directed toward conservatives at this moment of Lefty victory is quite revealing"

Not to me. I seem to recall the spectacle of a bunch of hairy 400lb diesels screaming incessantly at Surrey parents about how "intolerant" they were being because they didn't want their kindergarten-age children exposed to homosexual propaganda in the guise of children's books.
Scratch a lefty, find a fascist.

Posted by: Edward Teach at November 5, 2008 3:38 PM

Zzzzz once again, for those too stupid to bother googling it, voter registration does not equal a stolen vote. You'd still have to provide identification that you are, indeed, Mickey Mouse, and it would have also had to have passed the screeners (who are the ones who discovered the improper registration in the first place), and no, there was not 200,000 fake voter registrations in Ohio.

As to Obama...we'll see how things turn out. I'm hoping for the best from him, and I'm not expecting miracles, but changes to NAFTA, etc. do concern me a bit. Aside from that, it'll be a neat experiment. If he blows, he'll be out and the republicans will be in next term. If he's successful, well, awesome, he's doing a great job then.

Posted by: bar_jebus at November 5, 2008 3:41 PM

Speaking of "panthers" and guns...

After watching that one bearing a puppy pounder outside a voting station...

Anyone know what a taxidermist charges to stuff and mount things these days?

I think that would fall under "varmint control"...

Posted by: Hard Right at November 5, 2008 3:43 PM

Well, the party's over for Faux News, Dick Cheney, David Frum and mouthbreathing crypto-racist Indian and Muslim-bashing bloggers.

Posted by: Karl Rove at November 5, 2008 3:45 PM

[qoute]The country is still at least one-third conservative ideologically. Now we will have to find leaders who can articulate this conservative voice. After a brief respite conservatives will be energized by this election.[/quote]

Greg In Dallas,
I would note that California, Arizona, and Florida all Voted "YES" to a State Constitutional Ban on same Sex Marriage. That is a Bell-Ringer

The Anti-Abortion groups LOST every ONE.

The Republicans have to get their heads out of their butts and stop the stupid BS. Roe vs. wade will never be overturned (That bell has rung) except by an activist (democrat) Court (the opposite of popular belief). This is a State issue that Conservative Judges won't touch.

GWB made the same mistake as his father did in the Iraq 1991 war, on the advice of Colin Powell; we stopped without destroying the National Guard. We left Saddam in power & allowed him to fly helicopter Gun-Ships to put down the revolution.
Colin Powell was a liability that GWB never recognized. Powell/Rice in the State Dept failed to adequately enforce or understand the Political policy of Peace! AGAIN!

GWB had an uncanny habit of picking incompetent people.. Brownie, Powell, Rice (Lebanon), SEC, Treasury. The real GWB just didn't seem to care enough to fight!

BTW: Harper Policy = ~ Bill Clinton

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at November 5, 2008 3:45 PM

bar_jebus

Idiot, why the hell do you think the democrats have stonewalled every single one of the GOP's attempts to require ID to vote? They refer to it as "racist" to require people to prove that they are eligible to vote. They do this for obvious reasons.

Acorn isn't under indictment in 14 states for voter fraud for nothing. They wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't effective. You can call Acorn scumbag crooks and liars (I do,) but you can't call them ineffective.

Posted by: Warwick at November 5, 2008 3:45 PM

Well, Edwards, what do you call the crap on that third-rate website of yours? Inclusive?

Posted by: dp at November 5, 2008 3:52 PM

"Acorn isn't under indictment in 14 states for voter fraud for nothing"

The first thing any Democrat president does is fire all of the US Attornies. Bush didn't do this as an attempt at bipartisanship, and, well, you can't be betrayed by a scorpion.

Posted by: Tim in Vermont at November 5, 2008 3:53 PM

Hey the KGB tells Obama to "suck it", just like the leftards here.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5e3e7000-ab40-11dd-b9e1-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

Posted by: richfisher at November 5, 2008 3:54 PM

Wow what a hater...what florid retoric - bet he had a monocle on as he was typing it ...

Real have you considered decaf ?

Posted by: Agent Smith at November 5, 2008 3:54 PM

doesn't anyone on the left read history?

Posted by: old white guy at November 5, 2008 3:56 PM

richfisher

That wasn't the reds telling Obama to "suck it" that was the reds dismissing Obama as a pussy and daring him to fight back.

They seem to have measured him up and found him lacking - unlike the leftards. We'll see who has the more accurate picture soon enough.

Posted by: Warwick at November 5, 2008 4:02 PM

dp sez: "Well, Edwards, what do you call the crap on that third-rate website of yours? Inclusive?"

Save it... You want to spew that white superiority crap, head over to stormfront. It's not welcome here...

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 4:05 PM

I think conservatism in the US could easily win next time if they dump the social conservatives and focus on being fiscal conservatives. Run the entire campaign on balancing the budget, fixing social security/medicare and keeping taxes and regulations in check and you'll see gains. Coin a couple of phrases like "thrift and hope" or "hope for thrift" or "spare some change" or something I'm no marketer. And for pete's sake over the next few years shut the hell up about Obama.

Posted by: John Galt at November 5, 2008 4:06 PM

John Galt

What the US really needs is two more parties.

The fringe lunatics on the extremes of both parties can leave for the nutcase left and nutcase right parties and centre-left and centre-right can fight over who will win.

So long as you don't end up with an odd number of parties. That gets you an ideological imbalance and one-party dominance.

Posted by: Warwick at November 5, 2008 4:10 PM

IMHO,the most important thing that Obama can do is to STAY ALIVE.I hope that when he is out and about he has the best security possible. All it will take to create catastrophe and chaos in the U.S. and ultimately the world is for one nutbar to try for him. Or , more likely,someone that has from birth been taught to hate the U.S. along with a complete disregard for life.Hopefullly Obama will not damage the country through his term,but he was elected, and 2012 isn't that far away.

Posted by: wallyj at November 5, 2008 4:11 PM

wallyj

"the most important thing that Obama can do is to STAY ALIVE.'

Conspiracy theory BS. He'll be fine.

Although a guy in my office suggested he buy a Popemobile. I suggested with Obama's ego he'd consider it a demotion.

Posted by: Warwick at November 5, 2008 4:17 PM

That's the most coherent post ever by Real. And yeah Cal2, he does seem to have lost the "accent".

He must love living in a Conservative country!

Posted by: AtlanticJim at November 5, 2008 4:20 PM

I don't know, Edwards, I haven't been deleted yet. You're just here fishing for hits on your website.

By the way, since when is pride in your heritage racism? How about black pride? What about our official multiculturalism? If I'm not allowed to express my opinion that white Europian ancestry is something to be proud of, then I guess I will have to find some new friends. Maybe a new country.

Posted by: dp at November 5, 2008 4:21 PM

Richard Evans says,

You want to spew that white superiority crap, head over to stormfront. It's not welcome here...

now that's funny stuff dickie.

Posted by: jeff davidson at November 5, 2008 4:21 PM

A rather banal diatribe; it didn't include screaming about being right wing or conservative, or hate mongerererering. And I am not money grubbing...at least it doesn't seem to be working.
And also, a minor note about style - it's just silly to end with hyperbole about writhing on the floor, death blow, etc. Yes, i know it's a figure of speech, but it's clearly overdone.
And davidson, win or lose, you're still a silly piece of shit.

Posted by: clancy six at November 5, 2008 4:41 PM

"I don't know, Edwards, I haven't been deleted yet."

And you probably won't be. If I understand Kate correctly, she'll let this conversation stand as an example of how the internet is self regulating. As an example of how normal folks can deal with white "supremecy" types without the aid of HRCs.

Calling me "Edwards" only serves to make yourself look silly.

"You're just here fishing for hits on your website"

Where, above, did I post a link?

"By the way, since when is pride in your heritage racism?"

It's not. I've even noted that there's a double standard when it comes to "heritage" celebrations. That's a far cry though from inferring that whites are somehow superior to blacks which is what you did earlier in this thread.

Oh no! I just posted a link! Must be fishin' for hits!

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 4:47 PM

Hey Davidson,

Does the economy effect a photographer? If so, you may not be so happy with a protectionist in the white house.

Both US and CDN leftards such as yourself just may get what you asked for, just what you deserve.

Posted by: Warwick at November 5, 2008 4:52 PM

if the people in the US really want Obama as President thats fine, but the hero worship, fawning and crying is really starting to make me want to puke.

Posted by: x2para at November 5, 2008 5:03 PM

JOHN LUFT IS AN IDIOT AS DESCRIBED BELOW

To the gloaters....Had McCain won 1% more in Indiana, 2% more in Florida and 1% more in Ohio, he'd be president now. Obama's allies signed up at least 200,000 fraudulent voters in Ohio alone -- much more than the gap.

That's Fox math!


Posted by: slevin at November 5, 2008 5:06 PM

Kevin says "I find it interesting that he would bring up the trade deals at all. The number 1 and number 3 suppliers of oil to the US are Canada and Mexico. The largest supplier of loaned funds is China. Is he really going to bite the hand that feeds him?"

Well, first of all, leftists have no grasp of reality and so they really have no idea which hand feeds them. They don't figure it out until AFTER they have gnawed it off. Even then, they still can't quite figure it out and instead usually point at someone or something else as the cause of their problems.

Posted by: John Luft at November 5, 2008 5:12 PM

Slevin....you idiot....the election was closer than you will ever admit. I'm surprised you used the word "math" and not "number work", given your limited intelligence.

Posted by: John Luft at November 5, 2008 5:14 PM

I really don't get why the left feels they are in any way shape or form tolerant.

Posted by: dinosaur at November 5, 2008 5:20 PM

6% gap between Obama and McCain is not close Luft.

7,404,910 votes is not close.

Certainly a lot larger than the 3 million/2.4% by which Bush beat Kerry in 2004. What was Bush's conclusion then? He said he had won a lot of "political capital".

Posted by: Ted at November 5, 2008 5:21 PM

That's a far cry though from inferring that whites are somehow superior to blacks which is what you did earlier in this thread.

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 4:47 PM

You've got it all wrong man. I was inferring that Europian whites are superior to EVERYBODY. That doesn't mean I'm right, but there's not a single law against me saying it.

Posted by: dp at November 5, 2008 5:30 PM

Warwick I agree with your take, and obviously poorly worded my own.

The new KGB state of Russia think he's weak and won't have the backbone to stand up to them; they want to test him to see if he'll kneel.

Posted by: richfisher at November 5, 2008 5:30 PM

Richfisher:

Last I looked, Bush is President still and will be for almost 3 more months.

Putin/Medvedev are testing Bush here.

Is he a lame duck President right now or a really lame duck President?

Posted by: Ted at November 5, 2008 5:34 PM

Richard Evans re comment by dp: "You're inferring some sort of white superiority. Thats racist."

A question: Is it permissable to point out that there is no country run by people who are black that matches or surpasses countries/democracies run by people of white extraction in the areas of freedoms, including universal education, healthcare, equality before the law, freedom of expression and religion, etc. without being called "racist"?

Facts are facts: Or are they coloured too?

Posted by: batb at November 5, 2008 5:44 PM

batb sez: "A question: Is it permissable [...] without being called "racist"?

Absolutely it's permissible. Those disparities though are the result of cultural, social and religious differences and have nothing to do with one's race.

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 6:06 PM

I think this thread is a symptom of 'Barack Obama President Elect Derangement Syndrome'

Posted by: hardboiled at November 5, 2008 6:08 PM

So... Evans isn't a racist, he's a bigot.

Posted by: dp at November 5, 2008 6:09 PM

I think everyone should be relieved that Obamba won the election last night!

I believe that Trillions of dollars was saved by temporarily staving off mass ghetto riots throughout the US. Spreading from the inner cities and campuses to suburbia and quite possibly surrounding bedroom communities……..Like France, but far far worse. Imagine LA 92 & Watts 65 as a playground squabble………I believe real America got off lucky this time, unfortunately at the price off selling off their courage to bullies like the Black Panthers.

Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson would have had a field day with litigations, books and talk shows……..Why do you think Jessy was in tears at the victory speech last night. We all know how he really feels about Obamba we all heard the “cutting off his balls” comments. He was crying because the gravy train just made its final stop, and there will be no mass looting to defend this month. That will come much later of course when the disillusionment of a black messiah, becomes the reality of a mulatto, narcissistic democratic Chicago mobster that has his strings pulled like all the rest…………I can’t wait for the scandals to come out, it’s like waiting for next week’s cliff hanger!

Posted by: Knight 99 at November 5, 2008 6:10 PM

sez: "I was inferring that Europian whites are superior to EVERYBODY.

So we agree. You're a white supremacist. Head over to stormfront. You'd be a better fit with that crowd as you sound like their kind of people.

dp sez: "That doesn't mean I'm right, but there's not a single law against me saying it.

Actually, in Canada there is and you can bet that the thought police ("dnd dickie" and "special K") are watching this thread right now looking for anything they can use against Kate in an HRC complaint.

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 6:10 PM

Ted, please, Putin isn't testing Bush, the lame duck, he's already been tested to their satisfaction. Perhaps you missed the Iranian hostage crisis decades ago, the Iranians had no more reason to test the weak and pathetic lefty Carter at the end of his term. He was a known entity to them. They released the 444 day held hostages as Reagan was being sworn in. Testing Reagan wasn't an option for them, he was ready and willing to bomb their asses into the dirt so releasing the hostages was their only option.

The Russians testing Bush at this point in the game is a bizarre and lame statement. He's history, Russians aren't that stupid. Perhaps. Ted, you were born on another galaxy or just too young to remember, whatever.

Posted by: penny at November 5, 2008 6:11 PM

Prediction: the CIA will tap Obama's phone conversations with Putin, Chavez, Castro and Ahmedinejad, and he'll be under arrest for treason by the time the Electoral College meets in December.

The next president of the United States will be John McCain.

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at November 5, 2008 6:12 PM

Give it a rest evans. I've looked at your site, it's not going anywhere. No laws were broken here. You're trying to imply that racism amounts to hate, or hate speech. No one here suggested anyone act in any violent or hateful way against any particular race,

I will continue to believe that white Europian populations are socially superior to any other on earth. Oops, gotta go. Chinese woman peeking at the monitor.

Posted by: dp at November 5, 2008 6:30 PM

dp sez: "So... Evans isn't a racist, he's a bigot.

ummm... Not exactly... I judge people on the content of their character, not the colour of their skin. Thinking about it though, I am intolerant towards hippies and liberals. I guess that would make me a political bigot. OH, and whole-wheat bagels too. That would make me a bagel bigot.

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 6:32 PM

Evans- You've never met a hippy, and deep down you are a liberal.

But I'll agree with you on one point. Bagels are very hard on the stomach.

Posted by: dp at November 5, 2008 6:38 PM

"I've looked at your site, it's not going anywhere."

Where's it supposed to be going? What does my site have to do with your assertion that whites are "superior"?

"No laws were broken here. You're trying to imply that racism amounts to hate, or hate speech."

Are you mental? Is this your first foray into the Canadian blogosphere? I'm not implying anything. I'm stating fact. The laws suck and I disagree with them completely but I can assure you that they do exist. Educate yourself

"I will continue to believe that white Europian populations are socially superior to any other on earth."

Adding a qualifier now? Trying to maybe give yourself a little wiggle room?

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 6:55 PM

Ted, actually, it is close. You are avoiding the stats for the swing states. You will see just how close as soon as Obama goes off the rails which will happen very quickly. Interesting too how the msm is already saying that the almost 500 point drop on the Dow today is the result of "recession worries"....not that it is the worry of the market due to the election of Comrade Obama. No doubt had the market gone up by 500 (as it normally should after an election) it would be all because of the election of the Messiah.

Posted by: John Luft at November 5, 2008 6:56 PM

It is disturbing that anyone who does not march in step with Obama is immediately called a racist.
No good can come of that.

Posted by: Trent at November 5, 2008 6:58 PM

My Canadian brother and I were air force brats in the U.S. and remember very well how kids in the small town school in Missouri we went to shunned us 'integrated' air force kids. We also remember going to a scout camp and finding there was one swimming pool for white kids and another for black kids. This was in the early sixties.

So I am happy the U.S. has elected a 'black' President. But I would have much preferred one with much more experience and policies that would shrink government involvement in individual lives.

I am so grateful we reelected a Conservative government here. I feel badly for the American who posted a comment. You must feel trod on.

I thought McCain made a wonderful speech to concede and can only wonder what kind of a speech Obama would have made in such circumstances. For sure he wouldn't have blamed himself for his defeat...

Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at November 5, 2008 7:02 PM

dp sez: "Evans- You've never met a hippy, and deep down you are a liberal.

A white supremacist is calling me a liberal... Strangely enough, I'm OK with that...

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 7:21 PM

Nicola, please, spare us your recollections of 40+ years ago. By the way, by the mid-60's a segregated pool would not have been the norm even in the south here.

Obama's skin color victory for which you are grateful, not the content of his good ideas, which you concede won't "shrink government involvement in individual lives" which in fact because of his "inexperience" has the potential to make lives harder here and with citizens overseas whose thug governments such as Russia will feel unthreatened in their autocratic behavior proves just what?

Reading your inconsistent post again - skin color victory of a vacuous liberal good for America, conservative victory good for Canada - makes you look like an idiot. Just exactly is it you are trying to logically say?

Posted by: penny at November 5, 2008 7:31 PM

I'd like to remind a couple of you about the rules here. Take your extended discussions private, please.

Posted by: Kate at November 5, 2008 7:48 PM

I found it passing strange today that instead of like most Conservatives I know. Liberals on the radio kept voicing a fear Obama would be assassinated. As well as malice against the other side. One went as far as to say any State that did not vote for him was Racist. Now that is strange. You would think they would be happy. Rejoicing in fact. We as Libertarians & conservatives just took the election as the American peoples electoral wish. With no ill will towards Obama just distaste for his politics. Sad there gonna learn the hard way what we finally have in the Canada's, about would be Political messiahs. There a catastrophe in the making no matter what ideology. Wait & see. By the way was 100% wrong in my prediction .Caw caw. Hate feathers

Posted by: Revnant Dream at November 5, 2008 7:55 PM

I am not rejoicing in a Obama victory - I'm sorry I didn't make that clear. I am just pointing out how far the United States has come in not that much time. I don't think it is maudlin to remember how different things were and how they touched me when I was that age. Did you ever read Black Like Me about a white man who underwent skin treatments to live the life briefly as a black man and see how he was treated? An amazing true story.

Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at November 5, 2008 7:56 PM

Proud as punch my little comment inspired a whole thread here.

Remarkably sensitive aren't we, Kate, given that your site exists to call liberals traitors, anti-semites and worse on a regular basis...

Like all blowhards ya can dish it out but ya can't take it.

Posted by: real at November 5, 2008 8:04 PM

Posted by: real at November 5, 2008 8:04 PM >

"Proud as punch my little comment inspired a whole thread here."

Defiantly something to be proud of!

Yicks, where do you people hide in “real” life? No don’t tell me I really don’t need to know. Honestly though, there are “real” things in life you could be proud of, if you got out in the sunlight a little.

“Your sickening unAmerican traitorous, racist, money-grubbing, torturing, hateful ideology got struck a death blow and you and your fellow jackal-blowhards are left writhing on the floor, gasping for breath as the final death tremors subside and your bodies stiffen into rigour mortis”.

Defiantly not a proud day in a “real” man’s life. A trolling liberal hack on the other hand?

Posted by: Knight 99 at November 5, 2008 8:14 PM

I'd like to remind a couple of you about the rules here. Take your extended discussions private, please.

Posted by: Kate at November 5, 2008 8:21 PM

The "free mortgages and gasoline" crowd was silent during Obama's victory speech when he said (http://tinyurl.com/5j2zwn):

"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even in one term."

"This victory alone is not the change we seek. It is only the chance for us to make that change. And that cannot happen if we go back to the way things were."

"It can't happen without you, without a new spirit of service, a new spirit of sacrifice."

SACRIFICE?? WTF? When do I get my money-for-nothing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ikOxi9yYk

Posted by: aek at November 5, 2008 8:28 PM

Duly noted. Sorry Kate.

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 8:31 PM

I don't understand how the supposed conservatives on this blog, can believe that Mcain was a true conservative or for that matter how one could believe that republicans are true conservatives. With the exception of Ron Paul. George Bush increased the budget deficit several trillion dollars during his presidency allowed for a 700 billion dollar bailout, took away constitutional rights with the patriot act. No matter what side of the political spectrum you are on you have to admit that Bush was a disaster and by no means a true conservative. George W. Bush a fascist, but not a conservative.

I am not saying Obama will change a thing or that he should have won. However you cannot sit here and truly believe that he will be more left wing than Bush, and the current Republicans. At least Obama admits to wanting to redistribute wealth.

Also regarding all this talk of what has ruined the country: Unions, Taxes, Immigrants take your pic. These issues are not what ruined Canada or the United States. It is Fiat currency. Jobs would not have had too been shipped off shore to low cost producing countries if inflation was not allowed to make our countries fat and lazy don’t blame unions. Unions have simply been symptom of the cause as well as taxes and immigrants. Decade after decade of monetary debasement required higher and higher wages simply to keep pace with the inflation rate.

Nix

Posted by: Nix at November 5, 2008 8:46 PM

I guess I should have included in my predictions......mindlessly gleeful protuberances and display of tongues by people with less than half a brain!

Posted by: OMMAG at November 5, 2008 8:52 PM

Nix, partly right, wholly wrong.

If you don't think Obama was elected on promises to move the country to the left, you're either delusional or intentionally dishonest.

McCain certainly is no conservative. He won the nomination by being less conservative than his opponents, and had nothing when it came to offering a vision to the nation. No one here thought he was a the perfect candidate.

What we did think, and, largely, still do, is that he's be much less of a horrible trainwreck than Barry O.

Posted by: Yukon Gold at November 5, 2008 8:57 PM

"Those disparities though are the result of cultural, social and religious differences and have nothing to do with one's race."

Nothing? Sorry, Evans. The nature/nurture debate has moved into the realm of genomics. The bald facts of the matter are that genetic heritage plays a role in human expression, and that there are differences in the aggregate is manifestly obvious.

The presumption that culture, social expression and religious preference are disassociated from any sort of innate tendency is utterly, mind-numbingly, stupid.

People are different in shape, size, color and capabilities. This is a GOOD thing. It does not alter the universality of fundamental rights. Note that I say “fundamental”, not “equal”. People are not equal, because people are individuals and equality erases distinction. Fundamental rights, however, are those truths we hold self-evident as a consequence of common humanity. Even the word “right”, however, belies an attempt to avoid the requisite duties and responsibilities required of all people by their creator.

The two minute hate, however, seems to be characteristic of the species as a whole. Admittedly, some individuals seem to glory in its expression. Such people should be thrashed, but mercy still seems to be a legacy characteristic in our society.

Do go on.

Posted by: Tenebris at November 5, 2008 9:11 PM


Iv'e been finding a little solace in our new Comrade Obama's presidency. Just think his friend William Ayers the Chicago professor/ terrorist - of the underground movement, won't Bomb the White House while his bud is there. Well you have to find something to lighten the moment.

Posted by: dolly at November 5, 2008 9:12 PM

Yukon Gold,

I guess if you are going to shoot for something you might as well shoot for "much less of a horrible trainwreck than Barry O."

Yikes! Nothing like setting the bar low.

I guess my point is that no matter who gets in they will be a disaster. Too many problems to count. There is no long term vision from the right or the left. Everything that is done is for re-election purposes which eventually leads to pandering.

Nix

Posted by: Nix at November 5, 2008 9:16 PM

A two-headed lamb was born in the West Bank. Check that out.

I expect a large earthquake at any time, stay away from LA and SF for the next week.

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at November 5, 2008 9:22 PM

The morons have spoken. Full throttle into the wall! None of that sissy half speed stuff.

Posted by: Rosco at November 5, 2008 9:25 PM

When you look at the number the MSM has performed on Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber, what do you think the next "saying" will be when the Leftard MSM tries the same thing on future threats to the Democratic "dynasty-in-the-making"? Will it be - "you've been Palined" or "you've been Plumbed"? Either way - its going to happen.

Posted by: a different Bob at November 5, 2008 9:37 PM

Nix - you're not paying attention. Conservatives know who they are. Its those who have voted Democratic, for the One - believing that they were voting for a centrist party - who haven't a clue.

Posted by: a different Bob at November 5, 2008 9:41 PM

Must.Reread.Liberal.Fascism

Posted by: b_C at November 5, 2008 9:44 PM

a differnt bob,

Conservatives do not know who they are. There is a religous right a constitutional right that could give a rats a$$ about religon and hundreds of others in between. Every party rules to the left it is what keeps them in power. If you voted for Bush in the last election you ending up voting for a super left goverment. BAILOUT. NO PHYSCIAL RESPOSIBLITY. LIMITITNG CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. You should be assamed of what the right has become.

Pathetic.

Posted by: Nix at November 5, 2008 9:56 PM

Well Senator Obama won of course. 63 million to 56 million votes is pretty close. The gathering reduced to 119 persons. 56 leave disgruntled. Leaving 63 to cheer.

He will have his turn at bat. A worthy opponent will pitch fast or whatever is demanded. Fairly, no bean balls. Now for rhetorical question/s. This regarding the MSM.

(1)Suppose the press tried honestly to present both candidates equally, in order to inform the public. Giving as far as they could, a fair shake to both?.
(2) Suppose the press had turned against Senator Obama and Senator Biden instead of Senator McCain and Governor Palin. Just in exact measure?

We will never know the answer,never know if it meant a million votes the other way- or six million. The American press, no less than much of the Canadian press, have cast aside decency.

Posted by: Peter(Lock City) at November 5, 2008 9:56 PM

a differnt bob,

Conservatives do not know who they are. There is a religous right a constitutional right that could give a rats a$$ about religon and hundreds of others in between. Every party rules to the left it is what keeps them in power. If you voted for Bush in the last election you ending up voting for a super left goverment. BAILOUT. NO PHYSCIAL RESPOSIBLITY. LIMITITNG CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. You should be assamed of what the right has become.

Pathetic.

Posted by: Nix at November 5, 2008 9:57 PM

Well Senator Obama won of course. 63 million to 56 million votes is pretty close. The gathering reduced to 119 persons. 56 leave disgruntled. Leaving 63 to cheer.

He will have his turn at bat. A worthy opponent will pitch fast or whatever is demanded. Fairly, no bean balls. Now for rhetorical question/s. This regarding the MSM.

(1)Suppose the press tried honestly to present both candidates equally, in order to inform the public. Giving as far as they could, a fair shake to both?.
(2) Suppose the press had turned against Senator Obama and Senator Biden instead of Senator McCain and Governor Palin. Just in exact measure?

We will never know the answer,never know if it meant a million votes the other way- or six million. The American press, no less than much of the Canadian press, have cast aside decency.

Posted by: Peter(Lock City) at November 5, 2008 9:58 PM

Well Senator Obama won of course. 63 million to 56 million votes is pretty close. The gathering reduced to 119 persons. 56 leave disgruntled. Leaving 63 to cheer.

He will have his turn at bat. A worthy opponent will pitch fast or whatever is demanded. Fairly, no bean balls. Now for rhetorical question/s. This regarding the MSM.

(1)Suppose the press tried honestly to present both candidates equally, in order to inform the public. Giving as far as they could, a fair shake to both?.
(2) Suppose the press had turned against Senator Obama and Senator Biden instead of Senator McCain and Governor Palin. Just in exact measure?

We will never know the answer,never know if it meant a million votes the other way- or six million. The American press, no less than much of the Canadian press, have cast aside decency.

Posted by: Peter(Lock City) at November 5, 2008 9:58 PM

Well Senator Obama won of course. 63 million to 56 million votes is pretty close. The gathering reduced to 119 persons. 56 leave disgruntled. Leaving 63 to cheer.

He will have his turn at bat. A worthy opponent will pitch fast or whatever is demanded. Fairly, no bean balls. Now for rhetorical question/s. This regarding the MSM.

(1)Suppose the press tried honestly to present both candidates equally, in order to inform the public. Giving as far as they could, a fair shake to both?.
(2) Suppose the press had turned against Senator Obama and Senator Biden instead of Senator McCain and Governor Palin. Just in exact measure?

We will never know the answer,never know if it meant a million votes the other way- or six million. The American press, no less than much of the Canadian press, have cast aside decency.

Posted by: Peter(Lock City) at November 5, 2008 9:58 PM

Well Senator Obama won of course. 63 million to 56 million votes is pretty close. The gathering reduced to 119 persons. 56 leave disgruntled. Leaving 63 to cheer.

He will have his turn at bat. A worthy opponent will pitch fast or whatever is demanded. Fairly, no bean balls. Now for rhetorical question/s. This regarding the MSM.

(1)Suppose the press tried honestly to present both candidates equally, in order to inform the public. Giving as far as they could, a fair shake to both?.
(2) Suppose the press had turned against Senator Obama and Senator Biden instead of Senator McCain and Governor Palin. Just in exact measure?

We will never know the answer,never know if it meant a million votes the other way- or six million. The American press, no less than much of the Canadian press, have cast aside decency.

Posted by: Peter(Lock City) at November 5, 2008 9:59 PM

Oh no, "Too many comments in too short a time".
Really sorry, I wonder if it is my computer?
Oh calamity! Multiple posts of mine.

Posted by: Peter(Lock City) at November 5, 2008 10:01 PM

And I, for one, welcome our new negro overlord.
Posted by: bob

That's unacceptable. Mods?

Posted by: Scott at November 5, 2008 10:05 PM

"Did you ever read Black Like Me about a white man who underwent skin treatments to live the life briefly as a black man and see how he was treated? An amazing true story."

Absolutely Nicola, my grandparents had a copy in the basement at the farm - I've read it three or four times. I actually heard that his life was cut short by the after effects of those treatments. John Griffith? That man was a hero.

At this point I feel a real sense of loss for the people so absorbed by hatred of conservatives that I am apparently much happier that Barack Obama won than they are. It was some kind of sweetness to be watching CNN and to see the tears on the faces of Jesse Jackson and Oprah and so many people in that crowd. I've believed all along that Obama's election would acheive a psychological emancipation - it's about the only thing in his favor IMHO, but it's something alright.

Posted by: da wolfe at November 5, 2008 10:13 PM

Tenebris at 9:11 PM


there are those whom don't understand what racism is, I think richard is one of those,either that or he is to dumb to understand that he has missed the boat completely

Posted by: GYM at November 5, 2008 10:37 PM

Opray is the richest woman in America. Who's she crying for, and where was she when they were throwing oreos at Michael Steele?

Posted by: Kate at November 5, 2008 10:38 PM

Tenebris: "Nothing? Sorry, Evans. The nature/nurture debate has moved into the realm of genomics. The bald facts of the matter are that genetic heritage plays a role in human expression, and that there are differences in the aggregate is manifestly obvious.

batb was referencing cultural political behaviors (ie democracy, freedom, healthcare and the provision of education) which are absolutely shaped on the "nurture" side of the argument. Genetics has nothing to do with it. No man is born genetically predisposed to be a slave just as no man is born genetically predisposed to enslave another. Were you to discuss physical differences or mental abilities, than yeah, I'd have to agree, genetics play a part.

Posted by: Richard Evans at November 5, 2008 11:05 PM

The "racism" attack is easily countered.

Never say he's black if you disagree with something. Just legitimately and in "good faith" take issue with his stance/policies/whatever.

If "they" bring it up and accuse you of racism.

"I never said anything about him being black. Who'd the racist here?"

Throw it back in their faces...and introduce them to your lawyer.

Posted by: Hard Right at November 5, 2008 11:50 PM

"Opray is the richest woman in America."

That's why it's a psychological emancipation. I didn't think Jesse Jackson was sincire so it was very affecting for me. People like Rev Wright can't tell Michelle Obama that America is not for them any more. It's hard to understand why she would have believed it before but there you go.

Posted by: da wolfe at November 5, 2008 11:52 PM

One of the few good things about these election results is that I figured it would finally put an end to the PVS (Permanent Victim Syndrome) mindset of too many African Americans. After all, now that America has elected a black president, no one can ever say that a black person in America can't achieve everything they want.

But in less than 24 hours I've already heard a new narrative to get around this. You see, Barack Obama isn't actually a black man. Nope, he's of "mixed race". According to these same twits, if Obama were actually black then he'd never have been elected.

Expect Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to start using the same talking points pretty darn soon.

Sigh.

Posted by: Robert W. at November 6, 2008 1:47 AM

"At least the blacks are happy."

Posted by: Peter at November 6, 2008 4:45 AM

Its funny. When I was a little kid (in the frickin' 1960's, for God sakes, before all the civil rights uproar) I was taught all men are created equal. We didn't even HAVE any black people up here at that time, there were maybe five of 'em in Hamilton. I never even saw a real black person until I was like 10 or something.

None the less, I was brought up in the belief that there's no difference worth talking about regarding where you're from or what you look like. That's how I go about my business, and the older I get the more I find that this is how people actually are in life.

Which is why I have no problem with security searching target groups based on a description. The other thing I know from being an old guy is people are influenced by who they hang out with. You want to find terrorists, you go where they hang and start asking questions.

Obama hangs with Bill Ayers. That's all I need to know. You lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

Posted by: The Phantom at November 6, 2008 7:59 AM

"Slevin....you idiot....the election was closer than you will ever admit. I'm surprised you used the word "math" and not "number work", given your limited intelligence."

I'm surprised he could count that far using his fingers. Truly amazing! An idiot savant?

Posted by: irwin daisy at November 6, 2008 9:49 AM

"Proud as punch my little comment inspired a whole thread here."

This insignificant little turd is under the false impression that his drivel is somehow "inspirational".

Pathetic.

Posted by: biffjr. at November 6, 2008 11:23 AM

Posted by: Tenebris at November 5, 2008 9:11 PM

Like OMG!!! A conservative!!!! OMG!!!

I had seriously considered giving up that any remain. Perhaps a species protection act is in order.

Maybe Harper will do something conservative?

Posted by: hardboiled at November 6, 2008 11:35 AM

"And I, for one, welcome our new negro overlord.
Posted by: bob

That's unacceptable. Mods?

Posted by: Scott at November 5, 2008 10:05 PM "

What are you yapping about,Scott. It is unaccepyable only because it is wrong...i.e. Barack Huessin Obama is 1/2 white,1/2 Arab,ergo he is not a negro.
Bob should have written our new Kafir-hating,Sharia loving,anti-semite Emir.

Posted by: Justthinkin at November 6, 2008 2:02 PM

I find it very sad that anyone cares what color or race he is. If all men are truely created equal, then it shouldn't matter. Obama is 6% black, 44% Arab and 50% white. To some people, even 1% arab or black would be too much.
Obama's father was part Arab and part African. So he's labeled as black. His Mother was white, but what race? Irish, scottish, English, jewish? If he was 6% Jewish would we call him Jewish?
Obama is of mixed race, which most of us are. His skin shows the pigment of a darker man because genetics usually shows the darker pigments as dominent.
Give the man a chance.

Posted by: Les at November 6, 2008 9:26 PM

Yes, agreed. Step back and let the man get up to the plate.

What may engender incendiary statements is the callous and uncouth attacks on a woman- Governor of Alaska. She has gone home now, it is over for her at this time.

Then there is old Joy Malbon. Always thought passable Joy was sort of detached and a professional. Tonight old Joy was souped up. The target? Sarah Palin. Lawyers for the pubbies going up to check on Sarah's spending. Alaska bound. A nasty statement from some unidentified source- said to be the renegade pubbie advisers. Talking about Wasilla hicks spending big, throwing monies around and not theirs.

I thought that at least they could leave the subject alone. The pubbies are going and gone.

Posted by: Peter(Lock City) at November 6, 2008 11:33 PM
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