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November 2, 2008

Shutting Down The Coal Industry

Is there nothing that Obama can't do?

"If somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can, it's just that it will "bankrupt them".

Related - "Senator Barack Obama is not only a long time associate of domestic terrorists. He is cribbing his stump speeches from their manifesto."

Posted by Kate at November 2, 2008 10:58 AM
Comments

Hey, he's not even POTUS and he's bankrupted the Ethanol industry

http://tinyurl.com/6ekx8d

"The most prominent ethanol energy company in the US, Verasun (VSE), is filing for Chapter 11. Among other things the firm has been pinched by falling oil prices, which make ethanol less attractive, and rising corn prices, which makes production more expensive.

When oil was at $147 a barrel, ethanol was a savior for car and truck drivers everywhere. The ethanol industry built tremendous production and transportation infrastructure. It was a "if we build it, the will come" strategy. Then, the world fell apart. Prices for gas at the pump are back down well below $3 instead of being headed toward $5 as they were in August.

Verasun says it will keep operating, but common shareholders have been crushed to death. The stock was at nearly $18 late last year. Now it is under $0.50"

Posted by: Fred at November 2, 2008 10:25 AM

AND ""HE"" wants to build a people's militia

sounds rather chavez to me

Posted by: GYM at November 2, 2008 10:26 AM

To little, too late. Even using the Emperor's own words will not sway the sheeple at this point in time. G*d help us all.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at November 2, 2008 10:33 AM

If the polls are correct and Obama is elected President of the United States and he follows through on this statement then I'd say the stocks in the candle making factories will skyrocket.
Does he need another running mate? We'll gladly give him Lizzy Mae.

Posted by: The Glengarrian at November 2, 2008 10:42 AM

Up until the real estate bust, the "little" guy has been has been the big beneficiary of the full employment economy. Once the Messiah destroys the economy (as it is, it's self destructing from past excesses) and they're sitting at home waiting for their unemployment benefits, their attitude will change.

People will be looking to lay blame. The "no new energy" policy of the Marxist will invite retribution as the economy is totally destroyed. If "He" is as ruthless as Stalin and the other Russian leaders that followed, and judging from his campaign and policies he's a no-hold-barred kind of guy, we are in for interesting times.

Posted by: Rosco at November 2, 2008 10:43 AM

Last night a polster on Hannity said 31% of people think their taxes will go down if Obamataxme is elected.
What a selling job these socialists have done on the people who can least afford to have him as their Messiah President

Posted by: capt_bob at November 2, 2008 11:00 AM

Posted by: GYM>

"AND ""HE"" wants to build a people's militia"


....Like the Black Panthers.

Posted by: Knight 99 at November 2, 2008 11:06 AM

if America elects Obama then America is finished - and there will be no going back

this is the most important election in America's history...

Obama has an agenda and he is an anarchist ....

be very afraid

Posted by: Brad at November 2, 2008 11:06 AM

See, this is why I love it when women and vizmins run for office. They're so used to not getting called on their nonsense that it is inevitable that they say something stupid that a white man wouldn't think of saying.

By holding Obama, and Elizabeth May, to stunningly low expectations, their supporters are actually hurting, not helping, their candidates.

The old new thing in politics is to use women and vizmins (and gays) as "human shields", leveraging the disinclination of the public to criticize them.

The new new thing is that individuals from these protected groups are walking time bombs in terms of gotcha quotes, to a degree which should give pause to those thinking of backing them.

A perfect example is the female staffer from Lawrence Cannon's office who suggested that Native protesters who showed up at her office may have been drinking: a white man wouldn't dream of saying that - because he's already been called a racist a thousand times and doesn't particularly enjoy it.

Women, and their comrades in the vizmin and gay communities, are now so unaccountable that they have actually become a political liability rather than an asset. This is significant.

Posted by: Legacy Moralist at November 2, 2008 11:25 AM

"To little, too late. Even using the Emperor's own words will not sway the sheeple at this point in time. G*d help us all."

Zogby put McCain ahead in one day national polling on Friday. State polling has McCain ahead in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Michigan. Ohio and Florida are going McCain. Undecideds in these states are tilting McCain. State polling and the ridiculous spread in favour of Obama in national polling are going to have to be reconciled.

Even California has Obama at 43%, McCain 42%.

Obama's tactic of creating hopelessness amongst Republican voters is falling apart. His purchasing of the election is even turning off Democrats.

Reagan pulled ahead in the last weekend before the '80 election. Perhaps the same thing is happening here.

Obama's friendships, associations and sympathy for various communists, terrorists, anarchists, Islamists and racists is starting to cut through. A man is known by the company he keeps.

I want to see the moonbat meltdown. I want to see CNN, MSNBC, et al, lose whatever credibility they have left. I want to see the rising tide of socialism turned back, once and for all. I want to see complete and utter despair and depression amongst the left. So much so, that they are forced to rethink their policies and reconstruct their parties to once again support democracy and freedom - rooting out and ostracizing the hardcore Marxists that have taken over. It will be an historical moment.

You never know.


Posted by: irwin daisy at November 2, 2008 11:39 AM

If Obama wins expect the DOW to drop to ~3400 before Jan 20th.. The rewards (returns) don't justify the risk, this will be a Corrupt agenda driven market. Global warming is a Fraud that is been used to change Global economic priorities.

401K's & Pension funds will be full of Fairy Farts.

BUY a Fairy Fart! Zero Value!

BUY a Gun! Save you life!

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at November 2, 2008 12:12 PM

Where has fat jelly blob Michael Moore been in the dying days of the campaign? Is he gone into hiding to do a movie on the great one?

Posted by: Liz J at November 2, 2008 12:17 PM

All I can think of with regard to the US elections is thank God Harper beat out Dion. Can you just imagine Obama and Dion trying to out-progress themselves when it comes to NAFTA, foreign affairs and GHG's? Shudder.

Posted by: Glenn at November 2, 2008 12:22 PM

This interview is TEN months old. Why is it coming to light now, too late in my opinion. The McCain people should have jumped all over this and made him explain "bankrupt". Again, he's in San Fran saying one thing... Who knows how this would have played out in a tight race.

Posted by: Boots at November 2, 2008 12:23 PM

Where has fat jelly blob Michael Moore been in the dying days of the campaign? Is he gone into hiding to do a movie on the great one?

Posted by: Liz J at November 2, 2008 12:17 PM

Good one Liz J. Or he might be doing a 2 year documentary on Barney Frank, putting things in his mouth besides a sandwich before the next election.

Posted by: Merle Underwood at November 2, 2008 12:34 PM

not a fan of coal, its dirty stuff! Major contributor to smog, especially around the misty mountains area down south.

Until clean coal comes online(some say 15-20 years) I'm not a fan.

Posted by: allan at November 2, 2008 12:44 PM

According to Newsbusters, the print edition the next day "disappeared" that quote on behalf of the Obamessiah.

Posted by: Kate at November 2, 2008 1:02 PM

State Coal Profiles

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/coal/statepro/imagemap/usaimagemap.htm

Expect the "Bradley Effect" to creep in on certain states.

Posted by: bruce wayne riley at November 2, 2008 1:12 PM

This isn't just run-of-the-mill eco-lunacy; this is flat-out madness.

The United States obtains 57% of its grid electricity from coal-fired generating stations. Yes, you heard that right - fifty seven percent.

Hydro power is limited by available geography, and the regulatory roadblocks imposed since the non-incident at Three Mile Island make it extraordinarily difficult to build new nuclear generating stations. Gas generating stations (the only ones greenies seem to like, despite the fact that every molecule of methane burned produces one molecule of carbon dioxide and two of water vapour, an even worse greenhouse gas) burn a fuel that the US does not have a great deal of, and that therefore demands thousands of kilometers of pipeline. And there just aren't enough hamster wheels to go around.

Demand for electricity is increasing, and will continue to increase (just look at the power density and cooling requirements of microprocessors - doubling every 18 months). The US grid is already close to the point of collapse. Unless the prevailing anti-nuclear paranoia can be sorted out, coal-fired generating stations are the only option left to America. What Obama proposes is therefore nothing short of economic suicide. Which, I might add, will quickly become sociocultural suicide when the lights go out in the middle of a New York, Chicago or L.A. heat wave.

We should all, therefore, cross our fingers and "hope" that Americans realize what's at stake before Tuesday. I'm betting they will. But I've been wrong before.

Posted by: D.A. Neill at November 2, 2008 1:15 PM

The "Flea", on Hillary, one post down from link:

"She would have made a great President. Why? Not because I agree with everything she advocates but because I have no doubt she understands the existential threat we face and if push came to shove she would push the button. That is ALL I care about."

Somebody needs to have a talk with that boy.

Posted by: Harebrained at November 2, 2008 1:26 PM

"not a fan of coal, its dirty stuff! Major contributor to smog, especially around the misty mountains area down south.

Until clean coal comes online(some say 15-20 years) I'm not a fan.

Posted by: allan at November 2, 2008 12:44 PM"

You just used some electricity to send your post. It would help the cause if you would refrain from doing that anymore. Every little reduction, no matter how small, will reduce total consumption. Therefore it would also help to phase out coal plants if you would, please, turn off all your other electrical lights and appliances.

You can come back on the grid when all the alternative sources of electricity have been developed to a state of viability, have been permitted, and have been built and operating.

Posted by: Yoop at November 2, 2008 1:39 PM

All of the information relating to Obama's socialistic perspective, hanging/emulating with domesti terrorists, lack of economic understanding, etc is all true. I just can't help think it's all too little too late. The American people are about to elect their own version of Trudeau only degrees worse. It will take decades to undo the damage this guy and the dems will do.

Posted by: Brian Mallard at November 2, 2008 1:39 PM

"not a fan of coal, its dirty stuff! Major contributor to smog, especially around the misty mountains area down south.

Until clean coal comes online(some say 15-20 years) I'm not a fan.

Posted by: allan at November 2, 2008 12:44 PM"

You just used some electricity to send your post. It would help the cause if you would refrain from doing that anymore. Every little reduction, no matter how small, will reduce total consumption. Therefore it would also help to phase out coal plants if you would, please, turn off all your other electrical lights and appliances.

You can come back on the grid when all the alternative sources of electricity have been developed to a state of viability, have been permitted, and have been built and operating.

Posted by: Yoop at November 2, 2008 1:41 PM

Sorry for the double post. Been burning up the stockpile of ammo before Obama can take it away and I double-tapped the keyboard... ;-)

Posted by: Yoop at November 2, 2008 1:46 PM

D.A. Neill

Obama is not a rocket scientist, he's a community organizer. The complications of an aging and inefficient grid system, the lacking infrastructure for gas fired systems and abhorrence for nuclear energy are not to be considered. Just listen to the smooth and assuring cadence of my voice, ........

and yet...

people ask, Can someone explain something to me and I’m serious about this: What is Obama’s real goal for the USA? What’s he trying to do? Raise taxes, bankrupt the energy industry, weaken if not destroy the economy, etc. Is there some final goal he has in mind? Does he really honestly believe that all of this will end up making the states better in some way?

I just don’t get it. And I certainly don’t get why so many people think he’s the answer. What am I missing?

I know I don't get it.

Posted by: bruce wayne riley at November 2, 2008 1:58 PM

Oh come on people.

I am waiting to see who will win the election as much as anyone and hope for a McCain win.

But I don't think the Obama presidency will be the complete and utter disaster some here are predicting. (I think Obama certainly be the worst president since Carter and likely worse than Carter, but I can't say how bad in a historical sense beyond that.) The US system has enough checks and balances that we just need to ride out 2 years until of scary policy until the Republicans (hopefully) do some naval gazing and get back to their winning policies. They did survive Carter after all.

Who knows, America may then get a transformative president a la Regan

Posted by: dkjones at November 2, 2008 2:00 PM

re: Phillip G. Shaw: "If Obama wins expect the DOW to drop to ~3400 before Jan 20th.. The rewards (returns) don't justify the risk, this will be a Corrupt agenda driven market. Global warming is a Fraud that is been used to change Global economic priorities."

- Probably will happen no matter who is elected.
- I'm personally very conflicted about what to hope for Tuesday. Whoever wins will be incapable of changing anything about or surviving the financial tsunami and will get tossed out in four years.

Do I hope that the financial mess will prevent some of the worst things the great O could do or do I let my concerns about him trump what will obviously happen to McC/P if elected.

Posted by: Paul A. at November 2, 2008 2:21 PM

If anything is likely to cure people of their AGW delusions then blackouts and/or high prices will do it. In the next election, the chants of "drill, baby, drill" will be accompanied by "burn, baby, burn" (coal of course).

*Sigh* Remember the good old days when cheap, reliable energy was a sign of advancement and prosperity. When the government and business sought to improve the standard of living of citizens. Now its all about having to endure Greenshift-like pain and higher taxes..... to save the world.

Posted by: lynnh at November 2, 2008 2:25 PM

Heads up. The Dems will tax and slow development of North American oil and gas and coal. The rats. The Dems in Congress want government to "do something" because "oil is killing us". Companys will get whacked with new costs and government demands and environmental legislation.

Posted by: concrete at November 2, 2008 2:45 PM

The supreme "O" has again been misunderstood. What he really meant to say was that the coal industry needs to find new owners, hire new executives, and most important of all, retain new cons-ul-tants to show them the way forward.

Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at November 2, 2008 3:58 PM

Do you think TEN months of this would have not made a difference? Ten months of Obama/Biben stumbling and stammering, flip-flopping and backtracking...

"Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin unleashed a new volley against Barack Obama on a four-city tour of Ohio on Sunday by touting newly released audio comments made by the Democratic presidential candidate promising to restrict the construction of new coal-fired power plants in the U.S."

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/11/02/palin-attacks-obama-on-coal-production/

Posted by: Boots at November 2, 2008 4:11 PM

yoop, excellent reply. However, I'm from Manitoba, and we get our power from hydroelectric. Yes you'd be correct in saying if we "saved" hydro power, we could offset some coal power.

But I'm still not a fan. Bring on the nukes.

Posted by: allan at November 2, 2008 5:29 PM

Just watching CNN

The commentators are just inspired after Obama's speech from Cleveland, because to paraphrase, he has "raised the level of debate"

In other words, he has already promised more than he deliver, so why stop now?

After all, remember the saving grace of all elected officials:

"We really wanted to implement our plans to better the Canadian/American/(fill in the blank) people, but unfortunately the situation we inherited from the previous government is worse than we envisioned. Sorry, we'll be able to offer you these things just in advance of the next election . . . . . . "

By the way, I think the proportion of White and African American people who will vote for Obama because of his phenotype is greater than the proportion of White people who will vote "against him" based on racial issues.

Similarly, I think there are many who will vote for style over substance, so it really doesn't matter what McCain has done with his life or in government, the soaring rhetoric of Obama inspires and does have a significant impact.

If the campaign was a few months longer, things would be different, but the media is just going to hold it together for a few more days.

Posted by: Erik Larsen at November 2, 2008 6:23 PM

....Like the Black Panthers.

Posted by: Knight 99 at 11:06 AM

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at least they don't wear blowmeup vests, like some of Khalidi's ( the O's good friend) buddies do!!!!

Posted by: GYM at November 2, 2008 6:30 PM

I was thinking that a Dem win might be a blessing in disguise. Two to 3 years of Omana should scare the pants off everyone, but then in retrospect, in the land of the entitled the (Lizzie's words) stupid Canadians will probably think its all Harpers fault and the media will back them.
On a bright note if she hanges in there Sara will probably be a shoe in next time

Posted by: Tony W at November 2, 2008 6:38 PM

One question Allan, what is the half life of a spent fuel rod from one of your nuclear reactors?

You do know that plants eat the stuff coming from a coal fired generating station don't you?

Posted by: Joe at November 2, 2008 6:40 PM

I note comments on the American election.
On Sundays I often go up to the local convenience store for the Sunday Star. It seems reasonably priced. The edition today surpasses even the Toronto Star's usual agenda.
The intitial article is headed "An Insider With An Outsider's Eye". A large photo of Barack and the clutching imploring hands. Further we get Rosie DiManno "Hanging out at Obama's old haunts". A charming photo of Obama years ago with an aged lady, mentor Michelle Robinson. Then we get good old Haroon Siddique. "A Chance For Reconciliation".

We go to page E6. Geoff Pervere (Books Columnist) Geoff has a header on a book by one Cormac McCarthy. "Reality Check: America is forced to see it's true self, a nation in Ruin".

I had a little trip I had promised myself for a couple of years last Labour day, I took my spouse up to Upper Michigan's Copper Country. I live just minutes away from our sister city. What a beautiful and tranquil part of America.
The Toronto Star of this Sunday, I will preserve in the attic. Virtually nothing about Bush, except snideness. This is journalism!!!!

Posted by: Peter(Lock City) at November 2, 2008 6:40 PM

Posted by: irwin daisy at November 2, 2008 11:39 AM

I want to see the moonbat meltdown. I want to see CNN, MSNBC, et al, lose whatever credibility they have left. I want to see the rising tide of socialism turned back, once and for all.

God Bless you. Great post. Something we all want I would say, except for the usual users plus professional politicians or Ngo‘s.
A friend commenting at work who is an Atheist had a good allusion of how fundamentally disassociated Socialists are from human nature, or empirical reality. His example was pretty good. He said:

A Socialist to stop abuse towards Hookers. Would with all confidence, believe giving an annual sum to their pimps would naively stop violence towards them because they now owned by said government.

In true existence the Pimp being evil will just continue to beat the hooker only he is now rewarded for it, thus the brutality increases. This is why Neo-Marxism is sending the world to Hell. It has no idea of what’s real or not. Take gun control. Take guns from honest people to give to crooks believing they out of some feeling will reciprocate by turning theirs in. It is to weep for such imbecility. Yet this is how they think.
No wonder we are persecuted by HRC’s. They can only stomp on the innocent.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at November 2, 2008 6:49 PM

Bruce Wayne Riley @ 1:58 PM

The single goal of Obama is to be president.

It reminds me a bit of watching Dion after he won the leadership of the liberal party. His expression was "Oh my, what just happened? I did not expect to win. Now what?"

I think all of America will have a "now what?" moment in a few days

I don't think he will be as awful as some think he may be, but he will surely be a disappointment to many.

However, in the end, the mellifluous voice will sooth the disaffected, so all will be "OK".

Posted by: Erik Larsen at November 2, 2008 8:36 PM

Mao-bama want gasoline at $4 or $5 a gallon - never mind the little guy can't afford this.

Mao-bama wants to bankrupt the coal industry and put a carbon tax on EVERYTHING - never mind the loss of jobs across the country.

Mao-bama says electricity prices will skyrocket under his leadership - all the better to destroy the citizens of America and bring in a full Marxist regime.

Incredible - let's hope voters come to their senses by Tuesday or the USA as we know it is finished.

Posted by: Slim at November 3, 2008 1:56 AM


If the people of the USA are so misguided as to elect this phony man, then you get what you deserve. I see anarchy happening in the USA after the election. When Obama appoints Supreme Court lefties who will legislate from the bench....wait until they start outlawing guns....it's going to be a fight for a long time....thank God there are still good old boys, mostly from the south, who will stand up to these socialists..

Posted by: Mike L at November 3, 2008 7:07 AM

Ohio will be glad to know that. /sarc

Posted by: mark peters at November 3, 2008 7:31 AM

Fox News is going big-time with this story this morning. I'm hoping it resonnates with voters. If this doesn't then its clear that voters are in a Zen-like state of adoration for the One.

Posted by: a different Bob at November 3, 2008 8:50 AM

CNN's Poppy Harlow downplayed the item - saying that McCain and Obama's coal plans were essentially the same.

She attributed Obama's "bankrupt" comment to Palin as a scare tactic, ie not a direct quote, if memory serves.

in any case, that's the impression that I was given

Posted by: Erik Larsen at November 3, 2008 11:17 AM

Nice try but your efforts are once again lacking in facts:

Here's the facts that the McCain-Drudge-FOX axis of weasel does not want you to know: The Chronicle had not concealed the recording, which had been on the newspaper's website all along. And rather than reveal some sinister scheme, what it actually demonstrated was that Barack Obama supported clean coal technology -- aposition he shares with none other than John McCain.

Despite the fact that both candidates support clean coal technology, the McCain campaign tried to make the case that Barack Obama wanted to take away jobs from coal country in Ohio and Pennsylvania, and both Drudge and FOX were happy to oblige.

But just three years ago on the floor of the United States Senate, John McCain's Republican colleague George Voinovich of Ohio took to the floor to argue against a proposal by McCain to curb greenhouse gas emissions. McCain's proposal, Voinovich said, would "put coal out of business" and cost thousands of jobs, an argument that McCain did not contest

As long as there are sheep like some of you posters, getting caught in a lie has less of a negative effect than the sheep that vote because of that lie.

Posted by: Right of centre at November 3, 2008 3:00 PM

he wants a civilian security force funded as well as the military with more power than the military. a 250,000 man force is being bandied around.

Posted by: old white guy at November 3, 2008 6:19 PM
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