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October 10, 2008

This Is Not Fair!

In the immortal words of John Travolta - "Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin alive, stayin alive."

In an echo of this memorable moment, this morning Stephane Dion is hard at work ensuring his meltdown before CTV Halifax remains in the news cycle, where it will spark curiousity among those who may not have yet heard about the incident.

Then, there's the other problem - the shattering of the "fourth wall" and the reaction of journalists in certain quarters. There is outrage among LIberal friendly media that one of their own has had the audacity - the audacity! - to actually broadcast the unvarnished truth.

This, you see, is inappropriate.

That outrage has less to do with what happened to Dion than it does the fact that Canadians just caught a glimpse of how this business operates, and they don't like it. It's a "gotcha" moment all right, but this time it's the media with their pants down. The restarts, the admission that ATV had first agreed to bury it before succumbing to sober second thought - that's too much information.

For as hundreds have already pointed out across the blogosphere over the night, the very suggestion that Stephen Harper would have been afforded equal protection under the circumstances is laughable. The tape would have led the national newscasts, political analysts at the ready to drive the point home, pollsters already tasked with gauging the reaction of the electorate.

If broadcasting the Liberal leader's performance before a running camera is a breach of journalistic ethics, I wonder what they'll say about Greg Weston's teleprompter-bites-man story?

"Thank you to welcome me in the chamber of commerce of one of the most successful city of Canada and certainly the most resilient Halifax," Dion began ad libbing as he waited for the teleprompter.

Thanking the person who introduced him and saying a word about local Liberal MP Scott Brison, who provided a warm-up act, should not have been too tricky for a prospective prime minister.

"Thank you very much, um ... Thank you. Uh, and thank you also. Thank you, Valerie. I think exactly like ... I will speak with my heart, okay?"

"Thank you Valerie. Thank you so much because what you have as an agenda is at the core of a plan that Scotch, um, Scott has shown, a plan that want development and for the next generations as well, build on the economy and environment together."

The teleprompter finally operational, the Liberal leader reads the rehearsed script, decrying Stephen Harper and telling the crowd why Stephane Dion should be the next prime minister.


He reported verbatim! This is not fair!

Update; What would we do without CBC campaign aides?

Well that's interesting because we hear about [Dion's plan] every single day," said the CBC's Julie Van Dusen, who is covering the election.

"It's … about meeting the premiers, it's about creating infrastructure jobs to kick-start a slowdown in the economy. It's about his $1 billion fund that he has for the manufacturing sector in case they want to tap into it."


h/t the Rat

Update: The launch of the Dion Excuse Platform.

Welcome Hotair readers, where this comment captures the essence of the matter perfectly;

"Hilarious! The ultimate softball question - where one gets to use perfect hindsight to flog the predecessor - left this dolt speechless."

Posted by Kate at October 10, 2008 10:39 AM
Comments

I can just imagine the screams from the media if that had been Stephen Harper having problems "hearing" a French question.

Posted by: Marcia at October 10, 2008 10:39 AM

I especially like the way that CBC and friends all are reporting outrage at the horrible and over-the-line things Harper said about Dion's meltdown but then don't even bother to quote his comments. They leave the details of the horrible mocking of Dion to our fevered imaginations.

Posted by: molarmauler at October 10, 2008 10:47 AM

Right you are molarmauler. This is nothing more than the Liberals trying to pull on the "poor little boy" heartstrings of empathetic fools. This is not the time for little whiners sucking their thumbs in the corner. Time to show some balls, Dion. At times like these, we need someone with a spine....not a jellyfish.

Posted by: John Luft at October 10, 2008 10:49 AM

Mike Duffy deserves a high five for just doing his job.Maybe he finally took lessons from Fox..."We report..You decide"...a foriegn concept to the CBC especially.
You are so right Kate...the real story is the biased media.
And if the Canadian electorate votes for Dion, we are doomed and do not deserve to survive as a nation.

Posted by: bluetech at October 10, 2008 10:49 AM

Spell check 'foreign'
And I hope the CPC war room just sit this out and let Dion dig his own hole.Moore handled it well.

Posted by: bluetech at October 10, 2008 10:53 AM

"...we are doomed and do not deserve to survive as a nation."

Agreed. The only thing that will turn around this country is a massive, widespread depression. Or a decisive Conservative majority whereby TRUE conservatism is implemented by the government.

Posted by: Eskimo at October 10, 2008 10:56 AM

Well this old Boilermaker phoned CTV (416-332-5000) The nice lady there tried to pretend she did't know what news clip I was referring to. Right! She got a strip ripped off her obfuscating hide I am mad a hell and not gonna take this crap anymore. Stephan Dion cannot speak English well enough to order a hot dog anywhere west of thunder bay. Phone em folks and tell them how you feel about the Lieberanos trying to foist this GOOF on us. Imagine if it was Harper unable to understand a French question. Suck it up you Twinkie! Like we say in my trade "if you can't take the heat get the F**k out of the boiler"
Cheers Bubba

Posted by: bubba Brown at October 10, 2008 11:02 AM

Maybe they are just rallying around their boy because they really are cruel sadistic buggers who really, really enjoy watching him suffer.

If they can get him elected as PM they will have a field day of lazy journalism for the duration of his pathetic interregnum.

Posted by: Fred at October 10, 2008 11:02 AM

Agincourt, we have a problem.

Roger that. Shall I inform Ivan?

No need. I can hear him clearly.

What frequency?

No frequency. Just lung power. Talk about a Liberal chorus.

Oh shit.

Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at October 10, 2008 11:03 AM

I have been complaining about the CBCpravda Dioness to English Translations from the beginning.

from the onset they have translated something that sounds like Borat into something that sounds like Churchill.

to the Canadian public - certainly - dat his not fair!!!

Posted by: cal2 at October 10, 2008 11:05 AM

CBC is the coerced-taxpayer funded bilge of Canadian news disseminators with permanent hard left slant ingrained.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at October 10, 2008 11:15 AM

"Well that's interesting because we hear about [Dion's plan] every single day," said the CBC's Julie Van Dusen, who is covering the election.

"It's … about meeting the premiers, it's about creating infrastructure jobs to kick-start a slowdown in the economy. It's about his $1 billion fund that he has for the manufacturing sector in case they want to tap into it."

from http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/10/10/dion-invu.html

Is Julie van Dusen the interviewer or interviewee? It seems she's defending Dion's plan as if she were a Liberal talking head. The line between reporter and shameless shill has never been closer than in this election.

Posted by: The Rat at October 10, 2008 11:17 AM

I don't see how phoning CTV and ripping a strip off of someone who answers the phone accomplishes ANYTHING, except predisposing her and anyone she tells against the CPC. Way to go buddy! We're trying to get votes you know, not piss people off. Jeez! CTV AIRED THE CLIP, for gosh sakes!

CBC, on the other hand, had one of the most sycophantic, biased interviews I've ever seen with Stephane Dion this morning (Heather whatsername). After doing their level best to make Dion's collossal blunder look like something Haper did wrong, she even had the gall to ask Dion who would be his finance minister. I can't even watch that channel anymore.

Posted by: Jimbo at October 10, 2008 11:21 AM

Do you tink eets eazy to speak without a teleprompter?

Posted by: The Trusty Tory at October 10, 2008 11:22 AM

Dion is going to prop up an auto industry that is going bust? He would pour our hard earned cash down a rathole? Does he think a Liberal has such magical powers that a few Liberal dew drops on the Big 3 in Canada will prevent the US parent firms from getting sucked down the sewer?

"I would plan to plan a plan, that's what I would do different"...

Sounds a lot like The Messiah promising to "help the middle class"... interesting proposal... ah ha, I see how that works...

Socialist ninnies.

Posted by: shaken at October 10, 2008 11:25 AM

I predict this election will be the watershed moment where the MSM is no longer considered the first choice in where Canadians get their information.The unvarnished truth, not spun by a bias old school Liberal indentured media.

Posted by: Kursk at October 10, 2008 11:27 AM

Check poll at Toronto Star.
My problem with this is Canada has to have a leader who can communicate with the world's leaders. If he can't communicate with Canadians, what kind of a disaster will he be when he has his first meeting with President Obama?
Dear God, I get sick thinking about it. And I thought Chretien was bad.

Posted by: gellen at October 10, 2008 11:29 AM

Hey Rat - is there video of that anywhere? Can someone isolate that segment for me?

Posted by: Kate at October 10, 2008 11:33 AM

What is the MSMs plan here? I'm not sure they have thought this through. Anything but a Liberal majority or a Conservative marjority is going to be a disaster for the Libs.

A Liberal majority is a near impossibility given how fractured the left is.

Con majority is looking very improbable, thanks to typically biased media coverage.

That leaves a minority for either the CPC or the LPC.

With a CPC majority the Liberals would have 4 years to rebuild, could actually show up in Parliament and vote against the CPC without having to fear it would trigger an election, and could go about the business of installing a new leader, rallying the grassroots and replenishing their war chest.

But with a minority for either Party, we will be looking at another election in the next 12 months.

The Liberals just don't have the money in the bank to fight 2 elections in 12 months (plus have a leadership convention), and thier fundraising is anemic, to be generous.

By pimping Dion and trying to hamstring the Conservatives, the MSM is virtually guaranteeing that we will have another minority government, and a potentially decent showing by Dion, validating he leadership in his own mind, which will make it far tougher for the Libs to dump him.

While a minority might not be the best case scenario for th CPC, it looks to be potentially disastrous for the Libs.

MSM's default mode may just lead to the bankrupting and burying of the LPC once and for all.

Posted by: ward at October 10, 2008 11:34 AM

This is the hidden agenda of the MSM. Cover up Mr. Dion and help the Liberal Party. I want to thank CTV Atlantic for setting the example for all media in Canada. They decided to take a stand to present a fair and true clip of what Mr. Dion is really about. Atlantic Canada may have just saved us from the carbon tax and economic collapse. Atlantic Canada was standing up for what is right for all of Canada.Thankyou, now hopefully the rest of Canada will meet the bar that they have set.

Posted by: Fay at October 10, 2008 11:37 AM

Eet ees vury difficilt to speek wizzout ze teleprompting.

Is it just me or does Dion sound like Cretin? I'm sure I've heard Dion say "poopilar with the pooples" too.

Posted by: Irene Swain at October 10, 2008 11:39 AM

gellen:

Like two old-fashioned acoustic modems that can't quite sync up, Dion and Obama (The One) will simply nod, smile and continue to talk past one another.  Then a communiqué will be released at a later time telling us plebes what they "really" said to one another.

'Twas ever thus...


Garth

Posted by: Garth Wood at October 10, 2008 11:41 AM

julie van dussen .

yes she is a liberal talking head.

peter mansbridge is a listed liberal supporter and donator.

Posted by: cal2 at October 10, 2008 11:42 AM

http://www.thestar.com/article/290192

An article from January 2008. Harper warning about tough times ahead. Liberal finance critic saying that the OM is over stating the risks.

Who was it has the plan for the economy again? The guy who knew about things 10 months ago, or the guy who just realized he needed one?

Posted by: Kevin at October 10, 2008 11:43 AM

Is CBC sticking out like a sore thumb as the ONLY ones in MSM trying to keep their jobs...or I mean prop Dion...er,make that cover up the fact that Dion is not a leader...blame Harper...

whatever...

How about a link to Mike Duffy to thank him for 'reporting'?

Just wondering: How many times has Dion been asked the question before yesterday?It should have been asked immediately after he dissed PMSH.

Posted by: bluetech at October 10, 2008 11:45 AM

C'mon everybody; you're all just being really mean!
......
(snort)
You've got to admit, though, it's going to be a shame to no longer hear comedy gold like: "Canadians will know exactly where we are and which way does the mismanagement by whom."
Pay no attention to the snivellers. If Harper had made those gaffes, the Libs would've been on him in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Mal at October 10, 2008 11:45 AM

"I did not understand the question," said Dion. "Maybe it's because I have a hearing problem, maybe because [English is] my second language, but I did not understand the question."

This is so pathetic. If you don't understand the question, don't try and pretend you do by answering the bloomin' thing.

Jeez, the guy's a walking pity party. It appears the CBC's accepted their invitation and is now serving the refreshments.

Posted by: Jan at October 10, 2008 11:51 AM

I'm a sovereigntist and so no friend to the Liberals, but this reaction is despicable. Harper is at least as bad in French as Dion is in English, but we Quebecers tend to be a bit more tolerant of anglophones than Canadians are of francophones (surprisingly).

If Harper can run a bilingual country while butchering one of the languages, Dion can do the same.

Posted by: Eric Grenier at October 10, 2008 11:51 AM

Remember folks, the media have told us over an over that Mr. Harper lacks charisma. Assume they think Dion does have it, never mentioned it's importance in his case however. Wonder if the brain fart he had in the CTV interview would affect his charisma factor?

Posted by: Liz J at October 10, 2008 11:55 AM

Dion bloody well understood the question, notwithstanding the excuses trotted out for him by legions of leftist journalists.

He was clearly petrified that his answer might unintentionally give Harper credit for doing the right things during this financial crisis. Since he's spent the much of the last two weeks claiming that Harper has literally done everything wrong, that would have made him look like a hypocrite.

As many posters here have correctly pointed out, had Harper made this gaffe, the MSM would have been all over him. What's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander. Suck it up, MSM.

Posted by: Dennis at October 10, 2008 11:57 AM

Speaking as an old news junkie I have to admit that I've lost interest in almost all of the mainstream Canadian news outlets. This is mainly because they are spin machines and not news gatherers.

We report, you decide. Definitely not a Canadian news tradition.

Posted by: Free Thinker at October 10, 2008 12:01 PM

Eric, this isn't about "language", it's about UNDERSTANDING; Dion had the same softball question lobbed to him three separate times, and, even after he had it EXPLAINED to him (which he apparently understood, by nodding, and saying "yes, yes"), he STILL couldn't come up with anything approaching an answer. In other words, he doesn't even HAVE a plan, and he was just hoping that the interviewer would tire of butting his head into a brick wall and go on to something that Dion had memorized an answer for.

Posted by: SDC at October 10, 2008 12:03 PM

Eric,
You are full of crap.
Dion had a brain fart during the interview. Then he got a redo. Then another. Then he got busted.

I always get a laugh that Duceppes english is much better than Dions. What does that say?

Posted by: Jay at October 10, 2008 12:03 PM

Mr Dion has gone negative from the day he won the leadership of his party. They have commercials calling Mr Harper a Bush clone, that he doesn't have a plan (no, just the one he's been executing for the last 10 months; indeed, throughout his PM mandate). When he gets bit back, he calls Harper classless. IOW, la meme chose, encore.

If he didn't understand a slightly nuanced question, that is one thing, which might even be forgivable; but, not having the answer as to what he would do, today, to forestall the financial crisis, is simply unacceptable.

Now Lisa Van Dusen is answering his questions for him. Does he plan to bring the CBC along with him to G8 conferences, so they can explain what his "positions" are. Why wouldn't he just stay home.

Canadians are rightfully asking the same question now. We need leadership that can set priorities, make realistic (not seminar room technocratic) plans, and communicate with the people of Canada. Dion has demonstrated (because it's already been proven IMO), that he does not possess these attributes, notwithstanding his "disability."

Having said all that, this is likely a tempest in a teapot. The real wolf at Dion's door is his stubborn, technocratic insistence on instituting a carbon tax at a time of economic uncertainty. He says that Sweden has done well. Mr Dion might want to take a closer look; in 2006 the Swedes kicked out their socialist government who brought these measure in. Thank God Dion will never get the chance.

Posted by: Shamrock at October 10, 2008 12:07 PM

Don Martin's pathetic defence of Dion at the NP, calling Harper a Big Meanie, is taking a serious pounding in the comments there...

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/09/197948.aspx

Posted by: djb at October 10, 2008 12:09 PM

It's … about meeting the premiers, it's about creating infrastructure jobs to kick-start a slowdown in the economy.

Does that say what I think it said? Why would anyone want to kick-start a "slowdown"?

Posted by: Richard Evans at October 10, 2008 12:10 PM

And, to top it off, I'm listening to CBC right now - David Suzuki is guest hosting "The Current". Hmmm, right before an election? Good thing he's non-partisan, eh?

And Jay, no need for that type of response to Eric - that type of language is just too juvenile to read

Posted by: Erik Larsen at October 10, 2008 12:11 PM

Just had a truly wicked thought. Maybe Dion should implement Harper's policy of tight control on the press? Seems to me, he just got a lesson in what everyone of us, and Harper, and all his MPs, has known for about 15 years.

Posted by: Kevin at October 10, 2008 12:12 PM

Eric says Quebecers tend to be a bit more tolerant of Angolphones? Did I read that right? Having traveled extensively throughout Quebec I call BS on that comment. Without exception every Francophone I met gave me about 1 microsecond to demonstrate my fluency in French before dismissing me as just another "stupid Anglophone".

As for Dion - didn't Mike Duffy at CTV have a similar situation with a Liberal spokesperson. Mike asked a hard question and was practically begged by the Liberals to drop the issue - and Duffy stuck to his guns. Its hilarious to see a Liberal's reaction when they suddenly realize the media aren't in their pocket.

Posted by: John Brown at October 10, 2008 12:13 PM

Toronto star poll
go look & vote
Dats not Fair
Get the gist of it

Posted by: bryanr at October 10, 2008 12:15 PM

Harper when is commented on Dion's gaffe didn't actually knock him for his lack of understanding of the question or for his weak English ability. Harper said his concern was that Dion when he finally answered the question showed he clearly didn't have a plan. Dion's plan was to take 30 days to develop a plan. That's not a plan! The media critizes Harper for commenting on the Dion gaffe, but Harper showed restraint focusing only on the Liberal leader policy rather than his lack of ability to be a leader. Dion in contrast says Harper "no class". Dion comfortably insults Harper and no one comments, it is so sad the bias we see in the media and with the moral rules that apply to each leader. Dion's insults shows his lack of class. Please Canada see through the Liberal spin.

Posted by: Allan at October 10, 2008 12:16 PM

Jay - I agree with you. My daughter and I watched the English debate and both of us agreed that Duceppe was infinitely easier to understand than Dion. If Duceppe (the leader of a separation party) can communicate effectively with the rest of Canada, why can't Dion - the leader of the erstwhile "natural governing party"

Posted by: sooz at October 10, 2008 12:20 PM

What's really strange is that I watched Dion with Mansbridge the other night, and Dion spent the entire interview regurgitating Liberal boilerplate platitudes as opposed to answering the questions put to him. Why didn't he just do the same thing here? A job requirement in being a politician is to give the answer you want to give, irrespective of what the question is. So if he can't do that, its just one more example of him not being up to the job of politician never mind PM.

Posted by: Jethro at October 10, 2008 12:20 PM

[ ..didn't Mike Duffy at CTV have a similar situation with a Liberal spokesperson.]

Yes, during the 2005 campaign. It was John Duffy (no relation, I believe), liberal operative.

Mike Duffy really took him down - may well have been a turning point in the campaign - Harper's numbers went up.

Posted by: ron in kelowna at October 10, 2008 12:24 PM

The responses to my comment only confirm the disrespect Conservatives and English Canadians have for francophones in general.

Say goodbye to your seats in Quebec, La Presse (run by a conservative federalist) is predicting the Conservatives will lose at least 5 of their 11 seats.

Oh, and say goodbye to your majority dreams, if not a minority.

Posted by: Eric Grenier at October 10, 2008 12:26 PM

John Brown:

I have travelled extensively in Quebec, and I have never been treated poorly when I use either English or my français approximatif.

The people that I've met have been friendly, understanding, and cordial

Posted by: Erik Larsen at October 10, 2008 12:30 PM

I despise CBC spin as much the rest here, but was I imagining it when I watched Peter Pansbridge actually reporting the Dion freeze up moment on Pravda National? Sure he soft pedaled it, but the fact that it made Pravda at all was pretty surprising.

"I would plan to plan a plan, that's what I would do different"...

shaken at 11:25 am: Is that a corollary of "da proof is da proof.."?

Posted by: felis corpulentis at October 10, 2008 12:37 PM

Dion interview
Palin interview

Compare and contrast the scumsucking weasel media's coverage.

Posted by: Warwick at October 10, 2008 12:39 PM

Eric...respectfully...take the language chip off your shoulder...this is not an English/French issue...this is about leadership of our country.

Posted by: bluetech at October 10, 2008 12:40 PM

Unfortunately, my experiences in Quebec tend to mirror John Brown's more closely than Erik Larsen's.

This is unfortunate, because I have lots of family in France (in Paris and Normandy -- there's an entire town near Alençon that appears to be nothing but cousins of mine), and my travels there are more like what Mr. Larsen claims to have experienced in Quebec.  I love the French.  The Quebecois?  I can take 'em or leave 'em.

When I want a dose of French culture, I head to France.  I haven't wanted abuse for a long time, so I've avoided Quebec.

That being said, if M. Duceppe was running candidates in Calgary Southwest, I'd have half a mind to vote for him — as would a surprising number of other Albertans.  If the people I've talked to here are any indication, he's well-liked in "redneck" country, probably because a lot of people here perceive him as a straight shooter, even though they're not crazy about his politics.

Dion, on the other hand, is perceived as a weasel.


Garth

Posted by: Garth Wood at October 10, 2008 12:42 PM

The other part you are missing Erik...Mike Duffy did the "We report,you decide" thing...and it's a whole new concept in Canadian media.

Posted by: bluetech at October 10, 2008 12:44 PM

Eric,

Before you write off Harper's chances, you may want to look at today's poll at the EKOS website. Their seat projections put the Tories within three seats of a majority, despite the fact that they are projecting a loss of five seats in Quebec. What I like about EKOS is that they use a sample more than twice the size of the others.

If this trend even just holds, it will be a relatively simple matter for Harper to make a deal with a handful of Bloc or Liberal MPs to cross the floor and he will have an instant majority. Given Dion's performance, that won't be a difficult task.

If that happens, Quebec take its turn to be the isolated region with next to no leverage in Confederation. Quebeckers will begin to realize what it has felt like to be a Westerner for the last fifteen years. Believe me, it's not a happy feeling.

With so many people in Quebec feeling that they want anyone but Harper, here's some advice: be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Dennis at October 10, 2008 12:45 PM

From the comments in the National

Oct 09 2008
10:16 PM

"The transcript from tonight's emergency meeting of NATO allies.

Prime Minister Brown: Iran is threatening to invade Israel.

President Bush: Should we nuke Iran now?

Prime Minister Dion: I didn't understand the question, do you mean if I had have been elected two and a half year ago, should we act? Can we start this again?

Brown: Iran may have already invaded.

Bush: Let's nuke'm now. Agreed?

Dion: Do you mean if I am Prime Minister when they invade or was Prime Minister when they said they are going to invade? I don't understand. Can we start again?

Brown: OK start again.

Bush: Time's running out. Gotta decide. Push the button now. Agreed?

Dion: Well I've got a plan to develop a plan. I'll consult with appropriate experts and the provincial premiers. I'll be ready in 30 days. So tell the Iranians my plan will be the best plan. A plan is a plan and Harper didn't have one.

... please don't use this video, I'll look like a blithering idiot."

Posted by: Alan at October 10, 2008 12:46 PM

I watched Van Clueless live on CBC Newsworld this AM. She looked as confused as Dion, shuffling her papers, stammering and stuttering as she tried to turn the story into how mean spirited Harper is for picking on Dion. The message was clear. We should all pity Dion. Pity is not the normal emotion a Prime Minister should illicit. I do not think other world leaders will show pity to a weak, ineffective leader who cannot comprehend a simple question or formulate a coherent answer when asked about something as fundamentally important as economic policy. They'll sense his weakness, and eat him alive. Canada will become a joke internationally and we'll all suffer as a result.

Posted by: swatter at October 10, 2008 12:46 PM

Dismiss my viewpoint all you want, but I'm the Conservative target in Quebec. And this is how we feel.

Posted by: Eric Grenier at October 10, 2008 12:47 PM

M. Grenier:

No, this is how you feel.  You have a perfect right to your feelings.

As for everyone else "like" you, we'll find out about them on Tuesday.


Garth

Posted by: Garth Wood at October 10, 2008 12:50 PM

Julie Van Dusen... vying for a cushy government job the next time the Liberals get elected.

Thanks for providing the translation for Dion.

Sheesh.

Posted by: mark peters at October 10, 2008 12:51 PM

PM Harper did NOT comment on Dion's language skills. Not at all !!

The Prime Minister was just questioning Dion's C O M P R E H E N S I O N skills and R E S P O N S E abilities.

After months in office and weeks on the campaign trail, Dion still does not have a clue what the job of PM is about.

He is a professor. An Absent Minded One at that. I knew some in my day. They could not manage a Lemon Aide stand. That is why they are University Professors.

Posted by: ron in kelowna at October 10, 2008 12:55 PM

Eric,

The language and disability non-starters were cheap excuses by a lame, scarred politician who knows they screwed up large.

Contrast the coverage of this to Palin.

At least Palin had the good sense not to make excuses.

Not everything is language.

Posted by: Warwick at October 10, 2008 12:55 PM

"Dismiss my viewpoint all you want, but I'm the Conservative target in Quebec. And this is how we feel."

Eric: Fair enough. But politics brings this out in all sides, especially as the vote draws near. I assume that you remember the BQ's cartoonish ads near the end of the 2006 election which caricatured the Conservatives as red-neck cowboys from Alberta. That was far more objectionable than this event, i.e. simply pointing out that Dion's repeated inability to answer a question is evidence that his criticisms of Stephen Harper have been empty. No-one (apart from a few bigots) is ganging up on Quebeckers.

Posted by: mj at October 10, 2008 12:57 PM

Eric Grenier.

With all due respect, sir, the language issue is secondary to a larger point, which is that Mr. Dion could not answer the question, presumably because he doesn't have an economic plan, other than to have a set of meetings.

For a man who has been criticizing Mr. Harper on the economy for days and trumpeting his own 'group huddle' non-plan, he completely dropped the ball. Dion's performance indicates that he doesn't have an economic strategy firm in his head or else he would have given a direct boilerplate response to Steve Murphy on ATV.

If he had answered the question suitably people would have had leniency for his poor English. The trouble is he didn't have an answer AND he muddled his words.

Posted by: mark peters at October 10, 2008 12:57 PM

That CBC article almost blew my eyes out of my head. The fact that they had a CBC reporter quoted by the CBC in order to explain Dion only confirms two things: (a) Dion couldn't answer the question in a way that even came close to the clarity that Van Dusen did, and (b) the CBC further identified as the mouthpiece for the Liberal party.

Not that either point was in dispute.

Posted by: Surecure at October 10, 2008 12:58 PM

The NDP say they won't touch this one. When was his deal cooked with Dion and was May involved? And what cabinet position does Layton have in mind in a hypothetical coalition gov't?

Posted by: anon at October 10, 2008 1:01 PM

Two Words:

Inspector Clouseau

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvGBKFrC7P8

Posted by: jcl at October 10, 2008 1:02 PM

It's gone International.

hotair.com has the video up and has linked to sda.

Sitemeter holding up ?

Posted by: ron in kelowna at October 10, 2008 1:03 PM


remember CBCpravda , feeding questions, its not so long ago

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/007897.html

Posted by: cal2 at October 10, 2008 1:03 PM

as FUN, i watched a bit of the National last night.

the best part was listening to the "Insiders" Coyne, Hebert and Gregg, natter on about Harper "being insensitive and out of touch".

This after Mansbridge showed the Dion interview with Murphy.

We all know "who is out-of-touch-with-reality".

Posted by: puddin and pie at October 10, 2008 1:08 PM

An MSM type on Harper's response --

Your leader's biggest problem is that voters find him unsympathetic. You've gone out of your way to cast him as warm and fuzzy, the apparent failure of which has seen your lead erode in the campaign's final week. And as your primary opponent suffers an embarrassing moment owing to a poor grasp of English and possibly a hearing impairment, you put that leader in front of a camera to make fun of him?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081009.WBwbradwanski20081009211047/WBStory/WBwbradwanski/

Posted by: dizzy at October 10, 2008 1:16 PM

When will Dion answer the question??? This is by far the most telling point of the whole incident, that the libs still have yet to proprerly answer the question.

Posted by: Ken in Calgary at October 10, 2008 1:20 PM

According to the comments at CBC this is all about a mangled question, lack of journalistic integrity, and Harper is a bully.
These people have absolutely no expectations for the leader of the Liberal party, therefore they are not dissappointed with Dion.They have set the bar very low for Dion.

Liberalism is a disease manifested by denial and perpetuated by enablers.
No wonder they call the free drug program 'Harm Reduction.'

Posted by: bluetech at October 10, 2008 1:21 PM

Denis,

The scenario you paint is more likely after the next reapportionment of seats. It will become quite possible, even with the splits in ROC for a conservative majority without Quebec.

I personally dont think that divide is a good one...but it will be possible. But events shape other events and I suspect that Quebecers will realize that and it will change the dynamic of how they vote. Right now they can prevent a majority and feel protected. When they can no longer do that they will need to

1) Get inside the tent to influence

2) Leave the whole circus.

Interesting times ahead.

Posted by: Stephen at October 10, 2008 1:23 PM

Eric Grenier:
As nicely as I can phrase it so you don't pull the victim card on me: You need to grow up!
I don't believe anyone is slagging Quebec...in fact I think we would all like to see Quebec included at the dinner table.
People are usually quite adept at smelling a rat and last night's implosion by Dion was just one of those clarity moments where the truth shines forth.
The LPC,in bed with the MSM has been caught trying to foist a big steamer on Canadians. The MSM's lack of real and impartial coverage of the CPC and to constantly spotlight them in the negative while shoring up a poor choice in Dion to lead Canada is NOT in the best interests of this country.
When I encouter naive people who play the petulant PC card,knowing full well that were the tables reversed, they would be in the cheering section but are at this moment crying 'unfair' and 'foul'...well ya gotta wonder!
Eric,we all want Canada to work and will do what it takes within reason.However there does come a point...well you fill in the rest.
There is no room in politics for fuzzy thinking or for politicians who subscribe to it.

Posted by: simon at October 10, 2008 1:27 PM

"That being said, if M. Duceppe was running candidates in Calgary Southwest, I'd have half a mind to vote for him — as would a surprising number of other Albertans. If the people I've talked to here are any indication, he's well-liked in "redneck" country, probably because a lot of people here perceive him as a straight shooter, even though they're not crazy about his politics."

Garth

Very true. As an Albertan living in Saskatchewan I've always admired Gilles, he shoots from the hip(I despise his political positions). Only running candidates in Quebec does give him way more leeway because of the double standard in Quebec, but as I've said, he's my favorite besides PMSH.

Erik

Everything you say may be true. This is why most of us out here want out. Quebec and Ontario values are not in line with those in the west. Quite frankly we don't care what people in Quebec want, why should we? That caring isn't reciprocated.

Quebecers and Ontaritards are holding a referendum on Tuesday, and the question is: Would you like western Canadians to consider separating? To vote yes, vote Liberal; to vote no, vote Conservative.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 10, 2008 1:27 PM

Erik Larsen,
What type of response was offensive? The part where where eric accused anglophones essentially of being rascist? Of being intolerant of french? Let me remind you that the real French have a good laugh at the barbaric french spoken by Quebecers.

Or did you have a problem with eric being factually incorrect and insulting to 75% of Canadians that do not speak french?

How about crap or fart? That bothers you?

Living in the west I have had french foisted on me my whole life. I can handle it. Just do not accuse me of being intolerant because Dion tries to play federal politics and cannot learn proper english when a man committed to the destruction of Canada, be full of disdain for Canada and the english language can still be proficient at english.

Posted by: Jay at October 10, 2008 1:29 PM

Should western Canada separate from Canada?

http://poll.pollcode.com/h1p_result?v

Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 10, 2008 1:30 PM

Carbon Tax Man Dion (aka Inspector Clouseau):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQGb2adHCd8

Posted by: Observant at October 10, 2008 1:38 PM

EKOS is showing the Conservatives just short of majority.

http://www.ekoselection.com/index.php/2008/10/seat-projection-october-10-2008/

Posted by: Banya at October 10, 2008 1:38 PM

The polls are gonna be all over Hell's half-acre for the next three days — I wouldn't get too excited about any of 'em.

Garth

Posted by: Garth Wood at October 10, 2008 1:44 PM

Re: Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 10, 2008 1:27 PM

"Quebecers and Ontaritards are holding a referendum on Tuesday, and the question is: Would you like western Canadians to consider separating? To vote yes, vote Liberal; to vote no, vote Conservative."
...............

Right on .. and it's spelled "Morontarians" ... while les quebecois intend to vote in droves for their BQ separatists all because Harper has insulted their precious "artistes" ... and if that's how they think about Canada, the West should split the country at the Manitoba-Ontario border and let the Liberal voting Morontarians be blackmailed by the separatist Quebecers ... and the Maritime fishheads can float off into the Atlantic ..!!!

Posted by: Observant at October 10, 2008 1:45 PM

Dion:

1 Mulligan- OK

2 Mulligans- Maybe

3 Mulligans- No Way

Posted by: Al W at October 10, 2008 1:46 PM

Thanks for the condescending response Garth.

Most realistic conservative thinkers know what polls are all about. That's why were conservative.

We report... You decide.

Posted by: Banya at October 10, 2008 1:49 PM

The definition of intolerance and bigotry is Quebec language laws. There is no bilingualism there. And Dion is proof.

However, this has nothing to do with language. It's about basic comprehension.

Dion, as the leader of this country and on the world stage would not only be intolerable, it would be downright dangerous.

Posted by: irwin daisy at October 10, 2008 1:50 PM

Instead of giving the Order of Canada to Mr. Abortion - Morgentaler we should have given it to Steve from ATV Atlantic Canada. Thanks Steve for doing the right thing.

Posted by: Mary at October 10, 2008 1:51 PM

Eric:
Quebecers are more tolerant of the English than Canada is of French speaking Quebecers?
Sorry that doesn't wash. Intolerance is not the exclusive domain of one or the other.
By the way. What about the French sign laws in Quebec? There is no equivalent law anywhere elese in Canada, perhaps in the world.
What about the tongue troopers. It's only in Quebec where there's a language police, nowhere else in Canada.
And as others have said, this is not about mocking his English. He understood the question, was asked three times. He just didn't have an answer.
And if Quebecers turn against Harper because Dion is a bumbler, I'd say that's Quebec's mistake.
I wish you "Bonne Chance" at the gas pumps if Dion is elected.

Posted by: Ghost of Ed at October 10, 2008 1:55 PM

ERIC GRENIER
12:26

If the only way we can achieve a majority is to give PQ a BJ we will be happy with a minority!

Enought is enought, i for one am sick and tired of helping pay for all of Quebecs social programs.

Posted by: Al W at October 10, 2008 1:56 PM

CBC Interviewer admitted; "It sure is getting a lot viewing on YouTube.

Milestone Milestone Milestone !!

#1 The day that the Canadian Blogsphere has taken the MSM to task - and won ! Forever !

#2 The MSM's covering up and bias has been exposed in the closing days of an election campaign. (Thx also to ATV and MDL)

#3 The decades old, latte left's stunt - pulling the 'poor me' card does not work anymore, Not when all the world has access to exactly what took place in the Dion interview. (Would the MSM have shown any of the interview? Once, let alone many times, before YouTube days ? NEVER.

#4 WK's fish just had it's ass kicked -- by his own readers, no less. (er, does a fish have an ass ?

Posted by: ron in kelowna at October 10, 2008 1:57 PM

Look the thing is Did he understand the Question or Was he buying time to Formulate the answer & got Rattled.

With No disrespect to Dion(my niece lives in qc & struggles with her Eng.), the issue about it is, You want to be the PM You Damm well better be able to Understand What is going on around you in Either Official Language, Nobody standing behind you repeating in french so you understand.(Gerard Kennedy on Dions swing threw Ontario 2wks ago).
Like i have said before If this Was Harper making this Gaffe there would be all hell to pay Media would totaly take him down on top of what the Opposition would be Screaming.

As for the CBC Who Care's, 90% of Canadians know that they are Nothing but a Front for the Liberals anyways, Besides no-one watches the CBC unless Hockey night in Canada or Coronation Street is on.

Posted by: bryanr at October 10, 2008 1:59 PM

Interesting.  I didn't see anything "condescending" about my response, just cautionary.  Feeling a little sensitive, are we?

And for the record, I voted Conservative in the last election and will do so again.  My true preference would be to vote Libertarian, but that option is (at best) moribund in Canada.  Thus I optimize amongst a series of what I perceive to be sub-optimal choices.

Ignore the polls, folks.  They'll likely ruin your Thanksgiving weekend, whatever your political leanings.  Enjoy the weekend, eat lots, and vote on Tuesday.

Ciao for now.

Oh, and Banya?  Have an extra one for me, willya?  You sound like you need it, mang.


Garth

Posted by: Garth Wood at October 10, 2008 2:01 PM

It is indeed mind bogggling that the campaign has gone this far without a single MSM media journalist raising the big issue of this expression challenged non english speaking liberano being our prime Minister and being in meeting with other foreign leaders. With his loopy english trying to communicate what the Canadian position is.

This is a horrific scenario. However I guess the answer really goes back to the MSM basically ignoring liberal gaffs and nailing the Conservatives when they fail.

This is scary.

Posted by: Westcoast Pete at October 10, 2008 2:01 PM

Eric I'm sorry to say, but French is a dying language. Fewer people speak French today than did 20 years ago, 40 years ago and 60 years ago, and even then Quebec French differs vastly from France French.
As soon as I hit high school, like most of the other people I went to high school with, I dropped French for a language that was useful, I chose one of business, Japanese. I later took up one that is growing exponentially, Mandarin Chinese, and finally, just so I had a grasp of broken French, Italian and Spanish, I chose a dead language: Latin. All three of those (as well as Arabic) are infinitely more useful to western Canadians than French simply because you can then communicate with the minority cultures which actually have a presence in the area.

Not to bash French people or culture, but unfortunately its just not as useful in Canada as other languages can be nowadays.

Posted by: Irene Swain at October 10, 2008 2:05 PM

What the hell's with the likes of Julie Van Dusen aside from her Liberal bias? No one is picking on Dion, he did it all to himself and the CTV network exposed his brain fart for all to see.

There's an election going on, we need to know what these guys have to offer, we want the truth as well.
When you get a message straight from the horses mouth it's even better. Problem with the media hacks they're busy filtering and acting like Puffins hiding Liberal poop. This event with Dion is one pile pf poop they didn't get to in time.
The people of the country won on this one.

Any fool who plans on voting Liberal better take pause and think hard. How does Bob Rae as Finance Minister and Lizzy May as Environment Minister sound?

Posted by: Liz J at October 10, 2008 2:12 PM

"Dion comfortably insults Harper and no one comments, it is so sad the bias we see in the media and with the moral rules that apply to each leader."

A perfect example of this biased coverage can be found in Sask. The media never seems to tire of demonizing the Conservative MP's from Sask. for not pressing the PM on the equalization issue. He "stole" $8 million from Sask. blah, blah, blah. Yet golden boy, Ralph Goodale, unabashed cheerleader for the green shift, gets a free pass on an issue that will make $8 million look like chump change. Go figure. Goodale will undoubtedly be re-elected. It certainly helps to represent the most affluent riding in Sask. populated almost exclusively by government employees and university elitists.

Posted by: biff jr. at October 10, 2008 2:14 PM

Perhaps Harper should have just said, Mr. Dion had no language problem and actually understood the question perfectly. Whether starting today or 2 1/2 years ago, he had a chance to say what he would have done differently if he had this job and couldn't think of a single thing and yet he snaps at my ankles and claims he could do better.
Btw, Jack Layton's response to finding out that Canadian banks are #1 in the world in terms of solvency is, "I'll fix that."

Posted by: ducktrapper at October 10, 2008 2:17 PM

Erik - as many others have said; this has nothing to do with the language barrier - he can be forgiven for not understanding the question - the first time; even the second time - but after the aide explained it to him, he then comes up with the same answer he was going to give after the first question. That being he would have a meeting to find out what to do.

So please don't get your shirt all in a knot that this is making fun of Dion's English. For you to think tha shows you don't have an understanding of just how out of touch he was by the answer he finally gave.

I fear for our country if Dion becomes PM and you Erik, if you truly are a conservative, should too.

Posted by: Alberta Girl at October 10, 2008 2:18 PM

Garth,

This may be the case where the typed word changes context as opposed to an actual conversation. As someone who regards polls as suspect I guess I was miffed that you thought was getting 'excited' about a positive poll.

This was just a post for further information gathering and not a reason the celebrate.

I'll have an extra one when the Green and Gold beat the Leos tonight ;)

Posted by: Banya at October 10, 2008 2:29 PM

Prof. Dion was clearly caught clueless. Makes you wonder how many times it's happened before. He seemed to understand Heather Hiscox quite well. No hearing problem there.

Posted by: Free Thinker at October 10, 2008 2:32 PM

Hey liz J you got that right
Bob Rae Finance Minister & Lizzy as Enviroment
Very Scary Thought

BTW OT: Greens have been dropping of the Ballot like flies in a window in the fall.

Duffy made a point of mentioning this last nite that Green Canidates that figure they don't have a chance in Hell are Withdrawing & telling their supporters Vote liberal to stop Harper.

Posted by: bryanr at October 10, 2008 2:34 PM

Here we go Kiddies!
A.B.C.s And Duffy’s “Tale of the Tapes.”
A.B.C. ? Yeah, sure – A.B.C.!
Anybody But Conservatives -- are all ideologically determined to destroy Canada’s economy and future, as well as dismantle the national unity of Canada.
Stephane Dion : He has a hearing problem? He didn’t understand the “uber tricky” question couched in that ”vile English language” and “viciously partisan” Conditional Subjunctive Tense? Gilles Duceppe has ridden to champion Dion? This is the man carrying the Liberal banner for the “natural governing party of Official Bilingualism and multi-culturalism?”
Let’s see now. Stephane Dion spent a good part of his youth as a foot soldier for the separatists of Quebec. He turned his coat around and made it into the Liberal Cabinet. Yes. Those Liberals. The Officially Bilingual Liberals.
For most of Dion’s past thirteen years in Ottawa, where he had access to some of the best language and speech coaches power could obtain, Stephane Dion seemed completely disinterested in bothering to attempt learning the primary usage language of most of the citizens of Canada.
The flaw in this scenario lies not with the interviewer, nor with the interviewer’s line and language of questioning. The problem lies not with PM Harper’s comments or attacks on Dion’s language malfunction. The fault lies with Dion, with his party and with it’s machine.
The Liberal consortium, for some green hats and scarves, elevated an unbending, arrogantly unilingual francophone academic, to run for the top post in a diverse, multicultural and officially bilingual nation. This is a leader who still seems to think that he, “M. Le professeur” is the epicentre of the classroom universe. But he’s no longer in the classroom. This is the real world, this is Canada. This is Canada, in a world in crisis mode.

It is absolute folly of the most grievous stripe for Canada to be thinking about allowing a tragically-flawed character such as Stephane Dion, [a.k.a. Jiminy Criquette; Ichabod Qrueainne], to be voted into the post of PM of Canada at a time when the world is in crisis mode.
I am the father of three children, all in their thirties. Two have endured serious congenital hearing challenges. Both are fluent in three languages. One older sibling can function in five languages. Regrettably, today there is no viable defence for Dion’s linguistic arrogance, nor for his intransigence on the matter of bilingualism.
tj
t.e.&.o.e.

Posted by: TangoJuliett at October 10, 2008 2:36 PM

Here we go Kiddies!
A.B.C.s And Duffy’s “Tale of the Tapes.”
A.B.C. ? Yeah, sure – A.B.C.!
Anybody But Conservatives -- are all ideologically determined to destroy Canada’s economy and future, as well as dismantle the national unity of Canada.
Stephane Dion : He has a hearing problem? He didn’t understand the “uber tricky” question couched in that ”vile English language” and “viciously partisan” Conditional Subjunctive Tense? Gilles Duceppe has ridden to champion Dion? This is the man carrying the Liberal banner for the “natural governing party of Official Bilingualism and multi-culturalism?”
Let’s see now. Stephane Dion spent a good part of his youth as a foot soldier for the separatists of Quebec. He turned his coat around and made it into the Liberal Cabinet. Yes. Those Liberals. The Officially Bilingual Liberals.
For most of Dion’s past thirteen years in Ottawa, where he had access to some of the best language and speech coaches power could obtain, Stephane Dion seemed completely disinterested in bothering to attempt learning the primary usage language of most of the citizens of Canada.
The flaw in this scenario lies not with the interviewer, nor with the interviewer’s line and language of questioning. The problem lies not with PM Harper’s comments or attacks on Dion’s language malfunction. The fault lies with Dion, with his party and with it’s machine.
The Liberal consortium, for some green hats and scarves, elevated an unbending, arrogantly unilingual francophone academic, to run for the top post in a diverse, multicultural and officially bilingual nation. This is a leader who still seems to think that he, “M. Le professeur” is the epicentre of the classroom universe. But he’s no longer in the classroom. This is the real world, this is Canada. This is Canada, in a world in crisis mode.

It is absolute folly of the most grievous stripe for Canada to be thinking about allowing a tragically-flawed character such as Stephane Dion, [a.k.a. Jiminy Criquette; Ichabod Qrueainne], to be voted into the post of PM of Canada at a time when the world is in crisis mode.
I am the father of three children, all in their thirties. Two have endured serious congenital hearing challenges. Both are fluent in three languages. One older sibling can function in five languages. Regrettably, today there is no viable defence for Dion’s linguistic arrogance, nor for his intransigence on the matter of bilingualism.
tj
t.e.&.o.e.

Posted by: TangoJuliette at October 10, 2008 2:40 PM

Liberals should blame the MSM, not Harper, for Dion's gaffe. That, on the heels of an ill-advised refusal to take a wait and see outlook on carbon taxes, had likely sunk him anyway.

Dion had his outside jump shot opportnuity but failed to follow Ignatieff's and Rae's sensible advice to back off a bit on green shift, which could have put him in a position to win the election.

That's what Harper was talking about, trying to dissaude Canadians leaning towards Dion, who has handed an opporunity to his adversary.

Duceppe is defending Dion (actually attacking Harper, comme d'habitude) because he still needs Harper to lose votes in eastern ridings, still in play. This Duceppe is one shrewd rude dude.

Dion sunk himself with this dreadful error. Trying to blame it on Harper, whom he has ceaselessly insulted, is pathetic. Perhaps is lberia right, though; this proves Harper jumped on a chance to get back at Dion for showing him up, that fat mean bastard.

Yeah, good luck with that one as Canadians experience voter remorse and likely lean back to incumbent. I hope the Conservative war room has enough good sense now to leave this one alone, and let the MSM sharks tear Dion up as he tries to explain himself, again.

Harper and the Tories caught a break on this one. Maybe Chretien can bail him out. We will see soon.

Posted by: Shamrock at October 10, 2008 3:22 PM


From the National Post comments

by JFJ

The transcript from tonight's emergency meeting of NATO allies.

Prime Minister Brown: Iran is threatening to invade Israel.

President Bush: Should we nuke Iran now?

Prime Minister Dion: I didn't understand the question, do you mean if I had have been elected two and a half year ago, should we act? Can we start this again?

Brown: Iran may have already invaded.

Bush: Let's nuke'm now. Agreed?

Dion: Do you mean if I am Prime Minister when they invade or was Prime Minister when they said they are going to invade? I don't understand. Can we start again?

Brown: OK start again.

Bush: Time's running out. Gotta decide. Push the button now. Agreed?

Dion: Well I've got a plan to develop a plan. I'll consult with appropriate experts and the provincial premiers. I'll be ready in 30 days. So tell the Iranians my plan will be the best plan. A plan is a plan and Harper didn't have one.

... please don't use this video, I'll look like a blithering idiot.

Posted by: jfj fan at October 10, 2008 3:44 PM

The media reaction reminds me of a story from a few years back.I'll repeat it here,Canadian version, and hey, I'm not proud if anyone has the correct word for word ..go ahead and fix it.

Harper and Dion were out fishing with the Pope. A strong wind came up and blew the Pope's cap off in to the water. Dion sat there flustered trying to analyse the situation. Harper jumped in retreived the sacred cap and returned to the boat. The Pope enjoyed the day.

Next day the headlines were:
HARPER CAN"T WALK ON WATER.

Posted by: bluetech at October 10, 2008 3:53 PM

Those trying to apologize and make excuses for Dion and calling Harper a bully yada yada yada might wish to read Stephen Taylor's latest entry outlining the treatment non-bilingual conservative leaders (Manning, Day for instance) received. Dion is getting off easy.

Posted by: VanIslander at October 10, 2008 3:53 PM

gawd after all these years you would like Van Dusen would lose that weedwhacker hairdo.

A sheep interviewing a sheeple, thank gawd they didnt leave that bully wolf Stephen Harper in the room.

Posted by: cal2 at October 10, 2008 4:06 PM

Dion must be getting his advice from Paulie Martin, he's slagging Harper something terrible, it's bordering on insanity what's coming out of his mush.
Let's all scream, "IT'S NOT FAIR"!

The Weasel Dion has just said we want a Prime Minister who writes his own speeches. Well how rich is that? Let's get someone onto this statement.

Posted by: Liz J at October 10, 2008 4:22 PM

Julie van Dusen does not only despise Conservatives & Harper in particular, she's an Obama worshipper ta boot. Thinks Palin is a hag or so her articles run.
Frankly she has no credit as a real Journalist anymore , just a water carrier for neo-Marxists on both side3s of the border.

Duffy on the other hand has upgraded his skills to a professional level. I have wrote him on it complementing several shows lately, & ask others to as well. I used to dislike this guy, but I see a real change in him. Honesty seems to be the goal in his commentary now. Not a stage for Liberals nor anyone else. A nice change. As for Dion no one in there right minds thinks this is a hack job. Harper would have been in the equivalent of a journalistic shredder if he had done this & we all know it.
As I keep saying 2008 is the year 20th century paternalistic Journalism has died. Its corpse just thinks its in a zombie movie. In the end they can thank Journalism schools for perverting a once noble endeavor by teachers who are nothing but mouth pieces for ideologues.

This boy brought this odium down all on his own self, with no help from malicious sources. It was a one man job, his own.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at October 10, 2008 4:54 PM

I just heard a radio clip of Dion in Burlington. I believe what was recorded were his summation remarks. I found them to be cloying and manipulative, convincing me that this man is very shallow -- a Liberal hanger-on with not much to recommend him as an individual. He went on about looking into your children's and grandchildren's eyes and understanding that this is for them. The "this" in this case is to vote Liberal. The comments went on in the same vein which Dion attempting to "appeal to the heart". I think he was intending to be inspiring -- and it is possible that in the hands of a gifted speaker one might have had a different reaction, but I was really revolted at this sinister play for power.

Posted by: LindaL at October 10, 2008 5:04 PM

this one along with Heather Hiscox and Julie Van Dussen have been up all day on the front page.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/10/10/dion-invu.html


CBCpravda All Lieberal All the Nauseating Day Long

Posted by: cal2 at October 10, 2008 5:30 PM

The Liberals wouldn't hesitate to use something like that against a Conservative. We know this. So they're hypocritical to say, "Not fair!".

Also, I'd like to address the issue of Dion's alleged "hearing problem". I call B.S.

Why? Well, it's clearly not his "hearing problem" that's the problem, as he has no trouble hearing French, does he? He's trying to use the "disability" claim to falsely excuse his obvious longstanding refusal to master the English language for some reason (Conservatives go out of their way to learn to be ever-better with French, like Manning, Day, Harper, remember? What about former Quebec separatist and current French citizen Dion???).

Also, as I personally cannot hear a thing at all, yet understand English perfectly, I know that hearing isn't an issue in one's ability to master any language, though to learn a new one after losing one's hearing is far more challenging, it's certainly not impossible, as I know, from having learned a bit of spoken French to go with my reading comprehension thereof.

So the conclusion is that Stephane Dion is too lazy or just doesn't care, or both, to learn to be as proficient with English as he can.

And the inconvenient political truth in Canada is that if one can't or won't, for any reason at all, do whatever one can to master both official languages, one is perceived as unfit to be Prime Minister. Remember how folks used to reject Preston Manning because he didn't speak much French? Why would we give Dion any better treatment?

As for Bloc leader Duceppe now coming to Dion's defence, oh, come on, Gilles! You favor discriminating against Anglophones in Quebec and all that nasty, mean-spirited, intolerant-of-Anglos stuff, so spare us the phony consternation and hypocritical claims of "double standard" against the Tories!

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at October 10, 2008 5:32 PM

One of my favourites from the spin dept... this one from Jacques Bourbeau of Global National just a few minutes ago:

"When they got word of this, the Tories rushed to judgment."

He concluded by saying, "So what has this served to accomplish? To put out a big distraction in the closing days of the campaign."

Posted by: anon at October 10, 2008 6:06 PM

Reminds me of "A Few Good Men".

PFC Louden Downey: "Hal? Hal?"

Posted by: ural at October 10, 2008 6:14 PM

To recap:

Cartoon birds,
Five year old speeches,
A single utterance of black humour behind closed doors,

are all headline grabbing news of the day.

But a glaring example of a prospective PM's inability to communicate on even a basic level, regarding the most pressing issue of the day,

that's a "low blow" that should be kept from our eyes.

Got it.

Posted by: kody at October 10, 2008 6:18 PM

Does CTV have an ombudsman or public editor? I reject the notion that they should get off with a slap on the wrist because they're privately owned. We need to have at 'em.

Posted by: Liz at October 10, 2008 6:29 PM

Breaking News, October 2009 - The G8 meeting in London today ground to a hault. Frustrated heads of state emerged to complain that after rephrasing comments and questions over 1000 times so that the Canadian PM could understand them, time ran out and no progress was made:

Posted by: Cjunk at October 10, 2008 6:40 PM

Mr Grenier -- also respectfully -- I am most concerned about how the interview revealed that Dion is all smoke and mirrors and does not grasp economic issues. His willingness to forge ahead with his Green Shift in these dire economic times shows naivety and an unwillingness to listen.

Regarding the language issue, however, the concern here is that without an adequate command of English, he is isolated from much that happens in Canada outside of Quebec. It is reasonable to want a Prime Minister of the country to speak both official languages adequately in order to deal with complex tensions around language and cultural matters. A Prime Minister must be somewhat comfortable in both French and English environments. We have had many French speaking Prime Ministers who have been effective across the country. They have helped bring us together. Dion's inadequate English does not serve any of us well. Your own angry reaction is evidence of this.

Posted by: LindaL at October 10, 2008 6:48 PM

A revealing comment: I found this comment by someone called madeyoulook at Andrew Potter's "Mike Duffy is a Despicable Human Being" blog entry. (Shocking title really.) madeyoulook appears to be a journalist and is rejecting the criticism of Duffy.
The entry reads:
"Did you not participate in a symposium-by-Blackberry at which one distinguished media bright light posed the question along the lines of: are Canadians really going to re-elect the jerks?"

What is astonishing to me is that someone would communicate their overt dislike of Conservatives in a professional context such as this. In particular, the clear assumption is "we all agree that the Conservatives are jerks." You don't broadcast such views unless you know that the group pretty much agress with you. I know there are a few journalists who are not overtly hostile to the Conservatives, but madeyoulook's posting reveals where most of them stand.

Potter's blog entry is here:
http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/10/09/mike-duffy-is-a-despicable-human-being/

Posted by: LindaL at October 10, 2008 7:07 PM

hi ear da question somebodys else--hanutter times han spaze. ha glacksy far far haway, itink.

Posted by: reg dunlop at October 10, 2008 7:09 PM

I am still waiting for Dion to tell us by how many degrees centigrade will his carbon tax reduce the mean atmospheric temperature.

Posted by: shaken at October 10, 2008 7:22 PM

I'm sorry, I justhad to add this to the discussion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdOVONtnsj0

This version is a little somber given it's circumstances but I couldn't find a better recording.

If you prefer Canadian country,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPkqEUwnYCA


Posted by: Jan at October 10, 2008 7:29 PM

a hit from hotair...well done kate.

Posted by: tuco at October 10, 2008 7:39 PM

Watching "Your Turn" on CBC Newsworld... miscellaneous topics. So far...

Topic: The Dion interveiw
Consensus: Harper is mean-spirited

Next topic: Linking the environment with the economy
Consensus: Harper is out of touch


Also, CBC continues to direct viewers to the anti-Harper vote-swapping Facebook page. And they gave out the URL's to 3 others NEW sites for viewers to visit! This is CRIMINAL behavior for a taxpayer-funded, self-described objective news source to be promoting.)

Posted by: anon at October 10, 2008 8:34 PM

TVO is doing the same re the vote swapping, anti-Harper Facebook movement. Tonight, the university kid, who's running it, opened The Agenda with Steve Paikin, who had all kinds of time for him and his project.

I thought the MSM had gone as low as they could go. Then, this election. They have no shame and believe it's their duty to get rid of Stephen Harper. Who the hell do they think they are? IMO, they deserve to see their lefty friends "in charge". Then we'll really see the economy tank and, with it, the MSM and those Canadian artists, whom no one but the government supports.

Posted by: lookout at October 10, 2008 8:55 PM

CBC put on a caller saying he had information that Harper will cut the CBC... "I hope not," said Suhanna.

These are SCREENED calls, with a Don Cherry-like delay and a dump button facing them. Isn't the CBC in a conflict of interest in allowing callers who state such an opinion?

Posted by: anon at October 10, 2008 9:06 PM

Indeed, I couldn't believe what I was watching on the Pravda channel tonight. The blatant all-out shilling for the ABC campaign, and the dishonest voteswapping was the last straw.

Of course, there was no bias here, just honest journalism, you know.

And that Chihuahua of a host, where do they find such vapid mouthpieces?

Posted by: DanBC at October 10, 2008 9:57 PM

1664 comments on cbc.ca on this story. If anybody could stomach reading them , they'd turn into a blithering , dithering idiot and probably vote liberal .Do they let you vote if you drool all over the floor in the polling both while trying to remember your name ?

Posted by: cantuc at October 10, 2008 10:12 PM

speaks volumes when 'clarification' from top level must be issued regarding 'totally support' 4 days shy of the election.

looks like SOMEBODY is indeed in for some 'clarification'

Posted by: mr wysiwyg at October 10, 2008 10:53 PM

we actually give CBCpravda too much credit. and CBC also has a swollen head, their viewership is less that 7 % of the audience. they are mostly lieberals drinking their own bathwater and therefore the blogs are left tainted. the cost per viewer is $1500 /year. which if tagged to ones cable bill would certainly upsetting enough to have any cable viewed cut them loose and pay the US public networks donations for watching the same rerun brit shows and poorly acted Mussi sensitive cultural boondoggles.

Posted by: cal2 at October 10, 2008 10:56 PM

The should switched to a polar bear drowning ... or a puffin ... it's not fair!!!!

Posted by: ural at October 11, 2008 12:09 AM

Even the liberal spin machine can't make this goober look like a leader, but I guess when he's use to CBC slow ball questions this is what happens.
but at least he can fall back on his ball hockey career after he gets turfed by the liberals.

Posted by: Beat at October 11, 2008 2:06 AM

cal2:

If only 7% of the populace watch Pravda, would the cost per viewer logically be higher than $1500?

Posted by: set you free at October 11, 2008 3:04 AM

Dion's interview suggested flaws in his leadership.

1. His "Hollywood" style of wanting a re-take, deception in action!

2. He is stuck on details... not GOOD.. The French or English versions, of the simple question, would have resulted in the same answer by DION. We only have to go back to the example of "Jimmy Carter" to see someone that was a detail freak who was not suited to be a leader.

3. His "Consensus of the Experts approach", even a monkey can follow the consensus of opinion, of other simple-minded monkeys (Why have a leader that adds nothing). Leadership is making the hard decisions when the odds that you are right are 55:45.

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at October 11, 2008 6:36 AM

set you free,

I havent done the calculation for awhile. its somewhere in that range. and the viewership is somewhere between 6 and 7. this includes at the north where they can only get Pravda.

CBC would like to include their international where they believe about 5 billion listen.

Posted by: cal2 at October 11, 2008 9:28 AM

It seems Monsieur Grenier thinks this election hinges on his sensibilities.I agree with Ward's comments,I don't think the media thought this through[no giant surprise there].A Con minority would be a disaster for the Libs,and it would be a free for all as Iggy and Rae attempt to wrest the crown from Dion who would feel entitled to wear it after having slain the evil con majority dragon.

Posted by: h.ryan at October 12, 2008 12:22 PM
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