So what? One of the reasons that we have a catch and release justice system is that we don't have enough prisons. So spend the money and build more. Unlike running TV and radio systems, prisons are a fundamental government responsibility. Take a billion out of the CBC and use it to build more prisons and the problem is solved. Its too easy.

There's no scarcity of space six feet under. Which is where this POS belongs.

Better yet. Sentence them to work at the CBC. Let the wackos there deal with them. Wacko on Wacko. That would bring up the ratings.

The defense writing on the wall is plain to see. You see...he's a victim of his disease and drugged the child to mitigate the consequences of his behavior. He is in fact a compassionate skinner.

Watch for it.

Syncro

I volunteer my services to flip the switch, tie the noose, trip the trap door or squeeze the needle on this perv. In this case one strike is enough. I'd also volunteer his "supervisor" to a similar fate. There is absolutely no excuse for this crap. None!

I will never understand how some people will worry about the rights and "sickness" of scum like this over the rights and safety of his next innocent victim.

He was out on parole. Therefore he was in jail. This just proves Dion's point Jail is unfair .He should have been under house arrest and then he wouldn't have reoffended. Where does someone on parole get the money to buy a jeep.

I wish the family of this little girl could sue the justice system, parol board, the judge and the pyscologist who handled this POS's case file. We are now going to have to pyscologically treat this little girl for the rest of her life. Her issues are going to manifest in different ways her entire life and she and her family are going to have bare the financial burden of this. All the while that POS will get three squares and free tv for the pittance of time he will spend in jail, as the bleeding heart leftards fight for his human rights.

The only way this will ever change is that this has to happen to one of the left wing politically enlighted baffoons child. Then maybe we will see some change.

Yes, it costs money to build prisons. But it also costs money to have the police keep arresting the same clowns over and over again in our catch and release system. It costs money every time these creeps appear in front of a judge with a prosecutor, their own defense lawyer, court reporters and the whole nine yards. My guess would be if we didn't have our catch and release system we would certainly spend more on prisons but less on policing and the legal system parasite lawyers who make a damned good living off the catch and release system.

Unfortunately, waiting for each leftard to become a victim of crime prior to them coming to their senses will allow the collateral victimization of really innocent individuals as well. Sorry for the unbelievably long sentence.

It always leaves me pulling my hair when I hear some lefty say, "what good does it do to put this man/woman/psycopath in jail, they'll just come out and do it again". And then I'm always yelling back, "because when they're IN jail they're not stealing my stuff, breaking into my car, hurting children or seniors". Yeah, sometimes they finish their sentence, emerge, and re offend, then BACK they go for another term, LOCKED UP where they can't do, you know, the BAD STUFF. But if we're talking about a serial pedophile, that's one of the prime reasons we even build prisons. If there isn't enough room in Canada's prison's to 'house' the criminals that threaten our children, we gotta build more; you know create construction jobs!

Danial Todd Gratton, 44 - not a young offender.

But how about Stephen Truscott? He was charged, tried with fabricated evidence and sentenced to death at the age of 14. It would seem that the Conservative Party is nostalgic for those times.

Prison space a problem? No room for all the child molesters? Put 'em in barracks with the rest of the boys, pretty soon you'll have lots of free beds for the next lot.

Or we could just stop pretending and hang 'em.

Except this guy. Hanging's too good.

Rehab didn't work. Strike 4. Time for lead poisoning.

Danial Todd Gratton

POS is now facing additional charges for sexually assaulting a 10 year old girl earlier. Now we have two victims who have to live with this for the rest of their lives.

debeauxOs - what is your solution? Most on here have expressed their solution what is yours? Come on lets have it. How do you deal with POS like the Danial Todd Gratton? What do you say to the families of these two girls? What do you tell these poor little angels?

Come instead of spouting non-sense give us you answers.

Wondering if this is a poster here?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/10/07/elexn-vandalism.html

Wouldn't be shocked.

YES, and if Layton and Dion don't want prisons for such creeps, and feel so strongly that they can all be rehabilitated, then perhaps they would be willing to take these creeps into their own homes and look after them? I didn't think so.

Or maybe Layton or Dion wouldn't mind if one of these creeps, who should be in jail, instead lived next door to them instead?

Liberals and socialists are all the same - they are hypocrites to the very core.

keel-hauling comes to mind pretty quick

He is in custody awaiting a bail hearing.

Nothing wrong with the system, is there?

Whatever you tell the little angels at least it won't be the same as what those girls and boys that were sexually abused by uncles, coaches, pastors, priests, big brothers, teachers or neighbours said to them. The majority of children who are abused - it's by an adult they know. That's why it is rarely reported.

At least the little angels won't live in fear for their lives like all the children who were molested by a family member or an adult they trusted, and told to keep quiet about what was done to them or else be killed.

Wouldn't it be nice if all of these released criminals were sent to live in neighborhoods populated by all of those who want them released. Of course I'm dreaming. The champagne socialists live in gated communities where they are insulated from their own social experiments.

Debeaux,what an inane,insensitive statement.This little girl will likely be terrified by all males for a very long time. I am all for castration for this perv. Then you and him would have something in common.

deBeauxOs

other's mistakes justify WHAT

maybe you should try a little harder to rationalize this POS's behavior

and , yes, rationalize is what you are doing

deBeauxOs, you are one sick puppy. Justifying that POS actions by citing other disgusting crimes is no frikkin defense.

Debauchery:
Just what exactly IS your point?
You throw up a smokescreen about kin and molestation while you use the derogatory all inclusive title of "little Angels" and then revert to the word children in the same sentence.
You either have "issues or an agenda my man...or else you're f**king playing games.

This POS should be hung...TWICE!!

Whatever happened to the firing squad?

Guys, I'm having trouble with people labeling Mr. Gratton a piece of shyte. He is still human. A very messed up, criminally-minded human, yes, but still human.

Does Mr. Gratton deserved to be punished for his despicable crimes? Yes, to the fullest extent of the law. Do I mind if we have to build more prisons to accommodate more inmates? No, I don't, in fact it's one of the few things I think government should be doing with my tax dollars. Do I want this guy on the street again anywhere? No, I don't. Do I think we need tougher sentences for sex abusers, particularly pedophiles? Hell yes.

But true justice demands preserving the humanity of the criminal while at the same time exacting retribution for his or her crimes. Justice does not involve treating people like shyte or regarding them as such. If we treat Mr. Gratton like shyte then we are no better than him. If we regard him as shyte then we have begun to think of him in the same way he thinks about his victims.

We are called to be better people than he is. We are called to punish but not degrade because degradation is what HE has done. Let's not be like him at all.

Ok, let the daggers fly.....

That is the big difference between the left-lib socialist ,and the rest of us. The left-lib socialist can actually empathize with Gratton the pedophile. The left-lib socialist understand where Gratton is coming from, feel his pain, and they are willing to sacrafice not only their children, but ours. Perhaps the left-lib socialist could all start wearing little signs saying "pick me, because me and my family understand where you criminals are coming from."

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

Mark Peters I beg to differ. Gratton is a piece of shit, he is not human, he is sub-human. He needs to have a bullet between the eyes.

Honey Pot

Putting a bullet between a man's eyes is acceptable punishment and can be seen as justice if you believe the state should exercise the authority to execute people who commit crimes of certain degrees.

But capitol punishment involves killing people. Messed up, criminally responsible people, but people nonetheless.

Yes, and I am all for that Mark Peters. I see no reason to keep pedophiles alive.

Yes, and I am all for that Mark Peters. I see no reason to keep pedophiles alive.

You know Mark...its similar to war...sometimes necessary and yes,sometimes there is collateral damage...and it should be kept to the minimum. The death penalty is a contentious issue and one not to be taken lightly.
Having said that,there IS a place in our social order for that prescription. I am refering to the hopeless cases where rehabilitation is not on the horizon and the cost cannot be morally justified.Capital punishment implies the ultimate deterent. What it says is that society has had enough of the perpetrator's antics and will tolerate no more.What it also says to those who are paying attention is that your country cares enough for its citizens... both the young and impressionable and the old; that it will take responsibility for their ultimate safety through the courts.
A freak such as Gratton who is pleading to be released from his warped self, should most definitely be indulged. Keep in mind that if he has the wherewithall to turn the key in his ignition at the start of one of his self pleasuring forays then he should be able to take his own miserable life and save the state the trouble.
Left-leaners amuse me in their double standard fuzzy thinking double speak...Euthanasia is OK...Abortion is pro choice...Capital punishment for horrendous crimes is WRONG.

Go figure!!

Re: The Liberal Vandalism.
I don't know who's responsible,but the Liberals certainly have received a lot of sympathy and free press bcause of it. What with them being brave and not hiding and all.
Where Carolyn Parrish is involved,I wouldn't put anything past her.
I know a great riding Gratton could call home on his next supervised release.

At least the little angels won't live in fear for their lives like all the children who were molested by a family member or an adult they trusted, and told to keep quiet about what was done to them or else be killed.

Posted by: deBeauxOs at October 7, 2008 7:41 PM

mssr deBeauxOs is reliving a very bad past or even a worse fantasy. sad or sick.

This case is no different than countless others in the wonderful Canadian Justice System where the emphasis is on rehabilitation and reintegration of the criminal. No one is beyond redemption, everyone deserves a second chance. Does the name Peter Whitmore ring a bell? What makes my blood boil is the fact that we have these monsters locked up where they can hurt no one, and then we release them back into the general public with little, if any, supervision. How do you explain this kind of decision making to these little girls from Edmonton and their families? How do you explain this stupidity to the little Saskatchewan farm boy Peter Whitmore took from his family? He hooked him to a leash, and made him eat dog food while repeatedly molesting him and threatening him with death. Oh, we're sorry. We thought he was cured this time. Well, there there. We will be more careful next time before we release a pedophile from prison. If I owned a dog I knew was a vicious, dangerous animal capable of mauling and killing anyone who came into view, you can be damn sure I would never let it roam the streets. And if I was negligent in keeping such a beast properly locked up, and it did attack someone, I would be held liable. More to the point, I would never own such an animal. I would take it to a vet, and have it put down. Our society needs to send a message to the deviant human garbage who are preying on our children. Mess with a child, and you will pay with your life. There are no excuses. There are no second chances.

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This is the message I got from the link.

Good line from another blog "Lifers vote Liberal!"

With the proper graphics this would make a great CPC ad..............

Unlike running TV and radio systems, prisons are a fundamental government responsibility.

Agreed, but there are bigger budgets to take the money from to build new prisons. How about health care? Isn't that, according to the basic law of the land, a provincial responsibility? Why is the federal government in it at all? Why have the provinces colluded to avoid living according to the basic law of the land? Are they not colluding so they can avoid responsibility for failure and claim credit for successes?

First offense, castration and hard time.Second offense,make sure there won't be a third.

the justice system is a joke and has been for quiet awhile, people are going to start taking things into their own hands soon if things dont change.its going to be shoot, shovel, and shut up. there's also a really nice island by the north pole for 98% of the juvies and adults that are sitting in jail and some still on the street. the govt has got to start getting tough with these S O B 's

You got that right broadbent. If your child was raped, and you knew that the rapist would be getting a light sentence, it would be very hard not to kill the child rapist if you got the chance. Lots of people go missing in Canada every year. I suspect some of them needed to go missing, if you get my drift.

You know I'm tired of bleeding hearts. People who do bad things need to be punished. I don't want to walk a mile in his/her shoes...I don't want to know what he/she may have been going through in life...I don't care about their f**ked up mentality. Maybe if people were punished like they used to be back in the day, there wouldn't be so much fear about helping strangers, or letting your child out of your eyesight for 5 seconds at a park. I don't think we should have to keep human rights in mind when people like Danial Todd Gratton are out there doing what they do. They don't deserve any rights, they forfeited them with their actions. I say hang him so he CAN'T do it again NEXT time he's released.

Good.

Eliminate them all then: fathers, uncles, priests, teachers, dentists, coaches, pastors, neighbours, doctors, big brothers who have sexually abused children entrusted to them.

BTW 'inquest', it was 'Swill 1984' who first used the term "little angel". My point is if you are going to punish the pedophiles who have a criminal record, then punish all adults who have molested children. No exception.

According to Danial Tood Gratton's records, he has already been charged three times for sexual crimes against children. What is wrong with our justice system??? This man admitted to not being able to control his sexual fantasies about children and taking drugs to control his urges!!! Why was he ever let out to hurt more children??? He should have been locked up and treated the way that he treated his victims!!!!

According to Danial Todd Gratton's records, he has already been charged three times for sexual crimes against children. What is wrong with our justice system??? This man admitted to not being able to control his sexual fantasies about children and taking drugs to control his urges!!! Why was he ever let out to hurt more children??? He should have been locked up and treated the way that he treated his victims!!!!

Tougher sentences don't mean more prisons if the sentences are death sentences.

Let's follow the great socialist Che Guevara in that regard!

People like Gratton are back on the street sadly because of the Canadian liberal philosophy that high risk offenders such as pedophiles can be rehabilitated and can be reintegrated back into society. This belief is constantly disproven by reoffenders and yet there is no change. It doesn't seem to matter how many strikes a pedophile such as Gratton have, they serve their Mickey Mouse sentence and are continually are released back on to our streets to prey on innocent children despite the fact that they are expected to reoffend. In my opinion, the Canadian Justice System is just as guilty as Gratton.

As for not having enough room in Canadian jails to house people such as Gratton, the government should consider cutting back on the perks that these criminals are getting in prison and put tax payers dollars towards more useful purposes such as more prison facilities.

RE: Mark Peters at 9:13

"Guys, I'm having trouble with people labeling Mr. Gratton a piece of shyte. He is still human. A very messed up, criminally-minded human, yes, but still human."

I sense that was directed at me. For the record: Danial Todd Gratton is a piece of shyte. There, I've spelled it out. He is charged with several offences in this instance, and with several more in connection with the abduction and rape of another Edmonton child a few days before. On top of that, he has been convicted of previous offences in the same category.

As far as I'm concerned "human" is a status we are all born with, but which, by our actions, we can opt out of. The Gratton-beast has done so. Put it out of our world.

There is no excuses to be made for him. He should never had been let out. Sick or not he violated multiple little innocent children. Their rights are far more important. He forgo his rights when he put his hand on a child He forgo the right to not be judged. He should have just jumped from a tall building. injected himself with a lethal amount of something, or hung him self from the tallest post he could find. my hope is one day that these scum bags meet their match. for now personally i would pray that one day someone feeds him his own testicles to choke down before his final moment.
as for the justice system that tries to pass the buck on whos responsibility it was to supervise him... why is there any discussion, you dont let a dirtbag, educated or not into a society where already kids are scared to play outside. YOu dont put at risk the people who will one day be running this country. you dont show the world that we are going to stand by and not do anything to protect each other. it used to be that when these things happened they were shamed... and magically they disappeared. it should be that way again.
as a mother with two girls, bet your ass, someone touches one of them, and they will die a slow painful death. i dont care where that puts me. that is my promise to my girls. if the system wont protect them, and then defend them in their time of I need, damn rights i will.

You ask people not to call Danial a Piece of Shit. Come on, that's being generous to him. Previous sexual assaults, current sexual related charges, kidnapping, drugging innocent children, uncontrollable urges towards children...he should not be left to occupy the same earth as the children and family he's harmed. I wonder just how many more children he's harmed that we don't even know about. Crimes against children...unforgivable and should be given the death penalty!

Okay here is the answer for sick people like this. Now before I begin is this the redneck way...YES it is. So if you do not like my way of handling this move on. Okay you find a old granary don’t waste a good one. Put the sick
SOB inside...nail his bag to the floor. Next give him a butter knife. As you exit the building tell him it is your choice. Light building on fire...wait outside with your 12 gauge in case he has the balls to...well lose his balls.
Problem solved either way.

Okay here is the answer for sick people like this. Now before I begin is this the redneck way...YES it is. So if you do not like my way of handling this move on. Okay you find a old granary don’t waste a good one. Put the sick
SOB inside...nail his bag to the floor. Next give him a butter knife. As you exit the building tell him it is your choice. Light building on fire...wait outside with your 12 gauge in case he has the balls to...well lose his balls.
Problem solved either way.

I love it Neil! I think that is the best solution right therE! Love it love it love it. He does not deserve air in his lungs....

It's interesting to see everyone basically come to the same conclusion on this, either the Scum bag needs to nbe locked away for life, no parole, or put down like a stray dog with rabbies. Everyone i've talked to about this says the same thing, so why are the laws doing the exact opposite of what the people truly want? aren't we, the taxpayers calling the shots in the end? we need to stop TALKING about what we want done to people like this, and start enforcing our opinions on the gov't in any way we can think of through legal means. We have had this issue in Society for years, and nothing has changed. Yet we keep talking and talking...which should be directed not at eachother, but at the powers that be that can actually make the changes necessary to keep out children safe.

It's interesting to see everyone basically come to the same conclusion on this, either the Scum bag needs to nbe locked away for life, no parole, or put down like a stray dog with rabbies. Everyone i've talked to about this says the same thing, so why are the laws doing the exact opposite of what the people truly want? aren't we, the taxpayers calling the shots in the end? we need to stop TALKING about what we want done to people like this, and start enforcing our opinions on the gov't in any way we can think of through legal means. We have had this issue in Society for years, and nothing has changed. Yet we keep talking and talking...which should be directed not at eachother, but at the powers that be that can actually make the changes necessary to keep our children safe.

people do what they do for one main reason, they are not accountable for their actions! so make them accountable, and immediately. heres a possible solution, not only to sick perverts like this, but anyone who commits a crime against someone. give the victim and their immediate family the choice of what to do as a punishment. if they want a bullet in his head, than thats what we do. if they want life in prison, 1000 lashes with a belt, castoration, or worse, we do it. and let the childs father perform the punishment too. if these sick freaks knew for a fact they would be at the hands of their intended victims family (knowing how angry they would make the family for molesting their little child) im quite sure they would think twice about doing it...