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September 22, 2008

Palin Attacks Orchestrated

Rusty Shackleford has turned his attention (and his skills) from bringing down jihadist websites to investigate the origin of the Palin smears;

Extensive research was conducted by the Jawa Report to determine the source of smears directed toward Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin. Those smears included false allegations that she belonged to a secessionist political party and that she has radical anti-American views.

Our research suggests that a subdivision of one of the largest public relations firms in the world most likely started and promulgated rumors about Sarah Palin that were known to be false. These rumors were spread in a surreptitious manner to avoid exposure.

It is also likely that the PR firm was paid by outside sources to run the smear campaign. While not conclusive, evidence suggests a link to the Barack Obama campaign.


It's a long and detailed post. Don't be surprised to see this story break through to the mainstream.

Posted by Kate at September 22, 2008 1:14 PM
Comments

The angry left are going to have their Watergate. This is only the beginning.

Posted by: Jim O'Brien at September 22, 2008 1:26 PM

While Fox or Rush may run with this,I'd be surprised if the MSM even looks at it.Good for Rusty though,that must have taken a lot of time and effort.You tube is busy deleting,nothing to see here folks,just move along.

Posted by: h.ryan at September 22, 2008 1:29 PM

Well the Winnipeg Sun finally covered Heather Mallicks viscious attack on Sarah Palin course they only covered the backlash so they could denounce any republican or civil person who complained.

Maybe the will cover this in 2112 or something,

Unbiased there's a word.

Posted by: dinosaur at September 22, 2008 1:34 PM

This must be good. My workplace filter won't let me view it.

Can't wait to read tonight.

Posted by: J at September 22, 2008 1:55 PM

I would be surprised if the media covers this seriously. More likely they will hold it up as an example of right wing paranoia. After all, everyone know that the left would never engage in: dirty politics, character assassinations, rumors, racism, sexism, lies. I mean anyone that thinks that the left is capable of such things are the same crazies that believe that the MSM is biased.

Posted by: lynnh at September 22, 2008 1:55 PM

Smallish article in Sunday's Focus section of the New York Times (top page 6) about the years of left investment in the innocence of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg who were executed for espionage. Still no major mea culpa from academia or documentary makers since one of the fellow spies finally confessed all.

Don't hold your breath for 20 minute feature on CBC Radio about this end to the story. So far the left line is that they didn't pass on any important secrets and that their trial was a witchhunt.

Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at September 22, 2008 2:06 PM

qwerty1 posted this “Hope, Change, & Lies: Orchestrated ‘Grassroots’ Smear Campaign & the People that Run Them” piece at the Jawa Report under Reader Tips this morning. It’s a real eye-opener.

AMAZING--or, maybe not so amazing. It's true what "they" say: Truth is stranger than fiction.

If you weren't in the habit of sleuthing and sniffing out the rot, who would believe the permutations the Left goes to, to discredit their political opponents and to cover their tracks.

If you made a movie of this, people would go along with it as mere fantasy or an entertaining conspiracy story. But, folks, this is REAL LIFE!

With the MSM and the lib-left Dems holding hands, heck, sharing the same bed, I wonder what the chances are of its hitting the MSM? Of course, the U.S. has Rush Limbaugh and the FOX news channel, so there's more hope of it seeing the light of day in the States than a similar story would have here in the Derailed Dominion.

'Just look at what's going on up here, with not a word from CBC, Global, CTV and our print media.

Posted by: batb at September 22, 2008 2:10 PM

Does this really surprise anyone, glad there is some evidence to back up the intuition. We will see if there are any stronger links that come out because this is still pretty thin.

Did anyone really profile the original poster of the Trig is not Sarah's baby rumour. For an internet rumour it sure got big play...struck me as odd.

Anyway, we will see how this develops.

Posted by: Stephen at September 22, 2008 2:18 PM

Whoa - when I said "mainstream" I wasn't thinking of the Canadian mainstream. They're hopeless.

Posted by: Kate at September 22, 2008 2:26 PM


I met in my life so women like Palin alot in Canda the problems of them
this kind of women is good for mid job not for hight job tehy bring embrasment
tehy are good assitant they are not good leader

tehy are oppourtunist and say anything tehy liek to say
and reason she may say those sepetion of Alsaka is only because she like to do any thing she likes to do and when she can not do it

she change the law change the power in politic she sue people over and over as we saw her backgroun she fight with every body to get any thing she wants

she ask certian change in Alsaka and if Americna senat say No and then she look for sepration of Alaska

and this is also we can see in Qubequa party and they asked seperation of quebec to free anything they like to do
and we heard conservaite like to sepear west of Canda and albeta from rest of canda we are not sure that is correct or not!

seperation is not the solution and that is reason those group in conservative or in republican are all the time fight and like war to do anyhing they liek to do

I also saw taht kind of behavior in more Catholic religon and among theri women in Canda who are not shame tosay any thing they liek tos aya nd like to do anything they like to do under freedom again each has limit and they are nto care of what theygian may damage so many other people and that is selfish to my ieda

as we can see IRA Irish group, Mafia Italin and we see Republican are more Catholic famrer or we can see Spanish catholic are more to vote to those kind of seperat their job

and may be all because they have diff relgion catholci are smaller than protstan and like and saw all the tiem for their right and now get frustration and like more seperaton to do more

seperation is not the result work togetehr is challange and again it back for they like to fight alot and if you are not listen to me I divorce or I seperate Alsaka from rest of USA

this woman has so many controversy in her speech
WHO is she really?

As I said republican and Liberal need to have good security check and human resources before hire anybody to that level and that was their mistake if Palin siad taht he is OUT of game!!
when person in politic too much lie and too much controversy peopel can not trust them

politician must be honest to public or mus leave the office immideatly no more trick from them this si cost so much damage to all of us so far

Posted by: new at September 22, 2008 2:32 PM

This group MUST have a direct connection to the Hacking of her E-mail Account. Where are the FBI & Secret Service investigations? Hello!


Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at September 22, 2008 2:35 PM

"...Hacking of her E-mail Account. Where are the FBI & Secret Service investigations? Hello!"

FBI served search warrants at midnight on Sunday for the alleged email hacker at his college dorm. Gentleman by the name of David Kernell, posting as "rubico".

Posted by: Skip at September 22, 2008 2:41 PM

MacLean's has an article implicating the son of a Tennessee Democrat in the hacking of Palin's e-mail account.
The plot thickens!
http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=w092238A

Posted by: Noel at September 22, 2008 2:43 PM

"Where are the FBI & Secret Service investigations? Hello"

right here


Sep 22 2008 1:39 PM EDT
FBI Searches College Student's Home In Sarah Palin E-Mail-Hack Investigation
Hackers also hit Fox News' Bill O'Reilly in retaliation for his comments on the case.

By Gil Kaufman


FBI agents served a federal search warrant to 20-year-old University of Tennessee student David Kernell early Sunday morning in their investigation into the hacking of Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin's e-mail last week. According to WBIR TV, an unidentified witness told the station that several FBI agents entered Kernell's Fort Sanders, Tennessee, residence around midnight, looking for clues that might tie the son of Democratic State Representative Mike Kernell to the case.

A Department of Justice spokesperson confirmed some "investigatory activity" in the Knoxville area related to the Palin case, but said no charges have been filed.

Last week, someone broke into Palin's Yahoo! e-mail account and publicly posted a number of her private messages. The FBI and Secret Service immediately opened an investigation, but were initially stymied when The Associated Press refused to hand over copies of the e-mails. "

Posted by: Fred at September 22, 2008 2:45 PM

Did anyone really profile the original poster of the Trig is not Sarah's baby rumour. For an internet rumour it sure got big play...struck me as odd.

Posted by: Stephen at September 22, 2008 2:18 PM

Everything I've seen on the subject (mainly on Contentions) implicates Andrew Sullivan at The Atlantic. Down with the Beagle Blogger!

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at September 22, 2008 2:46 PM

I would suggest that the Winner's listen for tell tale bus noises.

Posted by: AtlanticJim at September 22, 2008 2:49 PM

Thanks Kate for the LGF link. Have been reading a lot of news articles about the USA elections. The left wing MSM is sure blowing this election for the Dems. Every time they put out false reports it is being jumped all over by the bloggers. It shows that the reporting is very lazy on fact checking. This twice in two weeks that LDF has linked to reports that have damaged the credibility of news reports. All I can say is keep up the good work blogging community and keep leaving the MSM in the dust.

"Maybe we can all apply to be a community organizer just like Obama" Sarc off.

Posted by: Merle Underwood at September 22, 2008 2:57 PM

Charles,

Any specific links...

Posted by: Stephen at September 22, 2008 3:00 PM

"Don't be surprised to see this story break through to the mainstream."

Until I re-read this line, my brain had substituted MSM for mainstream. I thought is was Kate who had a momentary seizure. I guess it was me this time ;)

Posted by: Warwick at September 22, 2008 3:01 PM

Stephen,

Those rumours about Trig started over at Daily Kos. From NewsBusters http://tinyurl.com/434bcf

Posted by: Kathryn at September 22, 2008 3:18 PM

Canada has it's own, not-so-clandestine, smear campaign against Sarah Palin going on.

Just have a look at the CBC Website, in particular these links:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/09/05/f-vp-mallick.html

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2008/09/21/mallick-palin.html#socialcomments

Posted by: Joe Canuck at September 22, 2008 3:20 PM

Stephen, here are several implicating Andrew Sullivan:

Media Nation (31 August 2008)
http://medianation.blogspot.com/2008/08/andrew-sullivan-goes-there.html

The Corner (1 September 2008)
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmEzZmM5ZDRkMmM5OWFkZGRhNTM1MTAzMjcyMzk1ODM=

Crunchy Con (1 September 2008)
http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/09/andrew-sullivan-and-the-palin.html

And from Contentions (there were several more that I don't have time to ferret out):

The Blogger Weeps Into His Beagle
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/30312

The Beagle Blogger and Mr. Quintus Slide
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/24892

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at September 22, 2008 3:20 PM

Stephen, start with this one. I have several others caught in the spam filter.

Media Nation (31 August 2008)
http://medianation.blogspot.com/2008/08/andrew-sullivan-goes-there.html

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at September 22, 2008 3:23 PM

Stephen, yes I have specific links. They're all caught in the spam filter.

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at September 22, 2008 3:24 PM

Thanks Kathryn....there was actually a blogger who wrote "I am acussing Sarah Palin of lying" this is the story that got picked up. Nobody credited the blogger, nobody stated the background of the blogger....at least to my knowledge.

It was probably the lowest point I have ever seen internet "discussion" go. A very serious accusation about a pretty touchy subject and not one piece of evaluation, by either side, of the original source.

My "spidey sense" told me it was a orchestrated attempt, hence my lack of surprise at Rusty's article, but nobody addressed the original firestorm.

Posted by: Stephen at September 22, 2008 3:25 PM

"Don't be surprised to see this story break through to the mainstream."

I'd be surprised if it DOES break through into the MSM. In this election year, the majority of the American MSM have made an art form of not covering the truth about Obama and the Democrats and making up "truth" about McCain, Palin and the Republicans. My contempt for the majority of the MSM knows no bounds. They are despicable leftist lickspittle propagandists for the Democrats.

Posted by: Dave in Pa. at September 22, 2008 3:27 PM

To take a step back:

It goes without saying that slime ops of this particular kind are reprehensible, but it's naive, surely, to imagine that they're not across-the-board standard operating procedure in this context. Just sensible due diligence to dig for and leverage any and all available dirt and downside, and anything that can be spun or twisted to look like dirt or downside, on one's opponents, isn't it? And can we honestly assert that the "good guys" or their agents and designates aren't up to essentially the same class of action?

Much is at stake, and every available weapon and strategy is going to be unleashed, whether overtly or covertly, skilfully (that is to say, untraceably) or clumsily (detectable and expose-able with some digging), by all parties to the process, in the battle to win, leaving entirely aside considerations of ethics, common grace, and good vs. bad form and taste. It's a given.

Have I become jaded, or is this not just how the game is played at this point in history?

Posted by: exetaz at September 22, 2008 3:37 PM

"...despicable leftist lickspittle propagandists... ", LOL, love it. Somehow I can see this quote attributed to Sylvester the Cat.

Dave, if you think the media is drinking from the purple koolaid fountain in the US, you should give a read/listen to MSM dribbling up here in Canuckistan. The poor little journalists have to worry about putting the spin on both our election and yours. Up north of the 49th, the leftoid progressive party rewards the media faithful with government appointments or senate seats.


btw, Although I have to pay extra, I can still get Fox News up here.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at September 22, 2008 3:57 PM


I don't think any of the smear stories have gained any traction with undecided or GOP voters; therefore, the whole exercise is nothing but preaching to the choir. The unintended consequence is some voters who may have decided to vote for or were leaning to Obama may have second thoughts because of the attacks on women in general.

I'm glad NEW is hear to bloviate about how Palin is a good choice for mid-management but not upper management. Apparently you don't have to be able to communicate coherently to be "upper management" but executive and life experience will be frowned upon. I suppose New would rather a candidate brought in his/her worn-out knee pads to show how much time a candidate spends talking to imaginary people.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at September 22, 2008 4:04 PM

and la shaidle invented "soy scented spittle " yesterday...that's every bit as good as 'suffering succotash' ...

Posted by: john begley at September 22, 2008 4:05 PM

Heather Mallick's column got a mention in the London Free Press. They said Fox News was raining down on her. The only quote from Mallick's column was that Palin appealed to the white trash.

I wonder if whomever wrote the article even bothered to read the Mallick piece. The white trash line was the least offensive thing in there.

Posted by: Kyla at September 22, 2008 4:10 PM

if this investigation by shakleford does hit pay dirt then the msm will have no choice but to cover it. And if that happens it's the whole ballgame.

Not that this has never happened before lbj had a huge spy op going against rmn in'68.

Posted by: Gord Tulk at September 22, 2008 4:16 PM

Fox News Channel has been reporting on the coordinated Palin smear today. Thank gawd for satellite tv!

Posted by: kelly at September 22, 2008 4:20 PM

"tehy are good assitant they are not good leader" -new

Each day we get a new aphorism of bigotry.

Posted by: Tim in Vermont at September 22, 2008 4:34 PM

I was embarrassed when O'Reilly called out the CBC. As Colbert would say "He nailed it", the CBC has made us all look bad.

Speaking of Colbert, he and Stewart were on the Emmy's and as per usual Colbert was very funny. Prune anyone?

Posted by: Indiana Homez at September 22, 2008 4:39 PM

I was listening to the Bill Good Show on CKNW Vancouver today. They had some media people including CBC's Ian Hamiman Sing (spelling sorry those alien names baffle me) They were discussing a big meeting of journalists this evening where they will be discussing the 'Glean Shift' (coined here by me) whereby the MSM is not longer the news source of choice by a growing number. They are worried no doubt.

MY POINT: A caller mentioned the horrid Mallick slur against Sarah Palin and none of them had heard about it. Shocking?

The caller referenced the Greta Van Susteren bit on FOX where David Warren was a guest ... nothing.

These idiots are indeed committing suicide. Although I think at least Ian H. was faking it since he is a CBC guy. It seems they just didn't want to discuss such an outrage.

Piss on the MSM. And shame on them for either their lack knowledge about a huge news story involving the disgrace of one of their own or their unwillingness to acknowledge it on air.

Greta called Mallick a pig twice during the interview. You would think that might have gotten around the CBC water cooler.

Posted by: John V at September 22, 2008 4:57 PM

They should be charged with: Attempted Palin-oscopy!

Columny!! I tell ya, COLUMNY!


Cheers


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Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
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Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at September 22, 2008 5:09 PM

Columny... LOL

Posted by: Tim in Vermont at September 22, 2008 5:19 PM

'Watching Newman and Duffy simultaneously, which takes some dexterity.

Noticed that Don Newman is going a little easier on BRAWWWWWDCAST. 'More like BRAWWDCAST. Ya think maybe he reads some of the blogs?

Posted by: batb at September 22, 2008 5:34 PM

"Ya think maybe he reads some of the blogs?"

Newman has never been able to demonstrate he can read, period.

Posted by: Skip at September 22, 2008 5:45 PM

People who are good leader are people who are honest knowledge educatged experience work in big cooperation and know the public and still study the books and learn info to upto date by new technology adn learn with no stop every day a lesson to upgrade their knowledge as a leader
and hire good team who are depend on themand if they saw tehy are not good team tehy will change them to better person untill all get match

Palin is only good some tell her go and let made peopel to dance she can not dance herslef she is lack of enough info to call her leader yet

she must learn alot to gain that for another 8 years

I say my opion based on my experince
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you can read these book reference too

but Allan Leighton must listen to us and give us favor for I recommanded his book to you

still he has so much problmes
and not know Muslim

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he is not the one so many otehr books you can read

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I give you some tools and clue to study
about who is the best leade and the best manger and the bes directore and the best employees

by go to goole and find the best selling book published so far

and if we can say if Loblaw cut his past fraud and past today halal food this year new president of loblaw who is products of England wrote book about leadership as well

for you to start with
but some people are write good may not act good
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next go to big cooperation in world and see who are their executive of them and thier company leader and see hwo they got success to date

and learn from them

if you know all thoe above keys elements

then send all those books to McCaina and Obama and Harper and Dion and tell them read it well and learn from existing leader in big cooperaion soem lesson not all the lesson some are crook too


http://www.randomhouse.ca/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781905211265

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwandrewrond-21/detail/1905211279/202-6639332-4479807

http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/search/article/492390/mt-interview-allan-leighton/
http://www.greatsuccessfulpeople.com/

www.amazon.com/Leadership-Allan-Leighton/dp/1905211449
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Leighton

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do not forget some peopel may write good book in real life not obey their rules too

we msut learn it from some master

Posted by: new at September 22, 2008 5:46 PM

Indiana Homez I do believe you were just about the only to actually watch the emmy's. At least from the numbers.

Hijack over. Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

Posted by: AtlanticJim at September 22, 2008 6:44 PM

Why is the National Post running a story, currently among the more popular stories at its site, entitled "Is Sarah Palin smart enough to be VP?"

http://www.nationalpost.com/most_popular/story.html?id=812430

If this is what a right wing Canadian paper looks like then I shudder to think what they are printing at the Globe these days. And to answer the question: she didn't need affirmative action to get into her college program, unlike Obama.

Cripes, I'm as anti-feminist as you will find, and even *I* think the article and subsequent conversation is genuinely sexist.

Posted by: Legacy Moralist at September 22, 2008 7:17 PM

Hey everyone

Remember all those smarmy posts Kate used to write ridiculing people who said the economy was bad? 'Recession watch' or aomething like that?

Heh.

Yeah, I'll be 'waiting' for this story to break into the mainstream ;)

Isn't it time for another couple hundred posts "debunking" global warming, too?

Posted by: real at September 22, 2008 7:46 PM

The question is perhaps not worth asking. After all, Dan Quayle was smart enough to be VP.

Posted by: exetaz at September 22, 2008 7:48 PM

exetaz @ 7:48

potato...potatoe

Doesn't really matter.

Posted by: Hard Right at September 22, 2008 8:05 PM

Perhaps the Dems should be thinking of inviting CBC's one and only Heather Mallick to speak at their next fund raiser. They could use a boost about now.

:))

Oh, and when she is done, no return is necessary. Just keep her and her strident 'opinions' down there - move her over to the KOS or something when you get sick of her.

Posted by: Joe Canuck at September 22, 2008 8:14 PM

Hard Right ~ Bwah ha - and hard on the heels of Hans Rupprecht's uber-crisp "columny", no less. Some very amusing high-end second-level-derivative abstraction happening here. Both of you, at least, unquestionably grossly intellectually overqualified for the demands of the veep-ship.

Posted by: exetaz at September 22, 2008 8:20 PM

George Bush is always portrayed by the media as dump as a post, falling over his feet, cant talk correctly, totally incompetent, yadda, yadda, yadda. Now Palin is just as stupid yet all these brilliant lights in the democratic party, bankers and top execs on Wall Street couldn't perhaps wonder if lending money to people who couldn't pay it back and perhaps, perhaps may default on their mortgages by the millions might be a slight problem! Nope couldn't happen we're way too smart for that.

Posted by: Dave at September 22, 2008 9:30 PM

exetaz .... New here eh?

Posted by: OMMAG at September 22, 2008 9:42 PM

No, OMMAG, not so new ;) - merely celebrating the general absence of unproductive "leftard"-ing and epithet-slinging in this particular thread, and the elevated level of discourse that leaving that kind of thought-free name-calling aside creates.

Posted by: exetaz at September 22, 2008 9:56 PM

the palin connexion widens:

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Conservative_commentator_Bill_O%27Reilly%27s_website_hacked

of special note to assistant blog monitor vitruvius: credibility looks high on this one. one cannot summarily dismiss 'oh that's just wikileak fiction' every time.

like all worthy scientific/journalistic/historical/etc investigation one needs to verify the source, but it helps when the sign posts are pointing the correct direction.

Posted by: signpost at September 22, 2008 10:25 PM

"...Remember all those smarmy posts Kate used to write ridiculing people who said the economy was bad? 'Recession watch' or aomething like that?..."

Said Real,

Well Kate is still right, it is not so much the economy that is bad as the Democrats who caused the present problems.

Maybe you should read this article?

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/21/baracks-wall-street-problem-is-now-americas/

Here is an excerpt,

Let’s start with the numbers. Why is a first term Senator pulling down almost $300,000 a year from Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, Countrywide Financial, and Washington Mutual? He has not even completed his fourth year in the Senate and received a total of $1,093,329.00 from these eight companies and their employees. (all data from OpenSecrets.org). John McCain’s numbers, according to OpenSecrets.org for the period 1990-2008 (i.e., 18 years worth of data) only collected $549,584.00. In other words, Barack is receiving $273,582.25 (and 2008 is not over) per year while McCain raised a paltry $30,532.44.

Want another shocker? Barack Obama has received more from one source–Goldman Sachs $542,252.00–than McCain has from all of the companies combined. Who the hell is more beholden to lobbyists? And why does a junior Senator from Illinois rate this kind of dough?

... ... ...

The day there is a crash and Americans have to stand in line all day to get a loaf of bread, I'll admit I was wrong ( but I can not speak for Kate).

Until then just be carefull what you wish for because if you get it, and the USA has a major crash, Canada will crash too because the USA buys 80 % of everything we produce here in Canada.

Posted by: Friend of USA at September 22, 2008 10:34 PM

I believe the series is "Seven Year US Recession Watch Remains On High Alert" for a reason. I'm not arguing that a recession isn't possible or even probable, given the cyclical nature of economies. The point of the series is to point out the steady drumbeat of negativity on the US economy, when by any reasonable measure, things were going pretty well - or at least as well as they did during the Clinton admin, which continues to recieve uncritical acclaim these many years later.

Posted by: Kate at September 22, 2008 11:09 PM

Let's look forward to a conservative majority so that the CBC can be purged starting with Neil Macdonald and Heather Mallick.

Posted by: tranio at September 22, 2008 11:33 PM

This guy is starting to look like the devil. Read my post in the next link up. This has passed from skulldugery into creepy.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at September 23, 2008 12:53 AM

It was the Clinton pervs and crooks that changed the stock option time line for selling free shares, from I think 6 monthes from 2 years. It was horny Willie who was diddling a Monica instead of giving the order to vapourize that murderer in the cave. On and on the liberals go with their destruction here and everywhere they are allowed to ply their perverted trade!

Posted by: bartinsky at September 23, 2008 1:19 AM

" thought-free name-calling "

Sorry, but the "leftard" name comes from personal observation as well as controlled experimentation by professional psychologists.

But Jonathan Haidt, an associate professor of moral psychology at the University of Virginia, argues in an essay this month, “What Makes People Vote Republican?”, that it’s liberals, in fact, who are dangerously blind. Haidt has conducted research in which liberals and conservatives were asked to project themselves into the minds of their opponents and answer questions about their moral reasoning. Conservatives, he said, prove quite adept at thinking like liberals, but liberals are consistently incapable of understanding the conservative point of view.

Hence the term "leftard". I think we may need to add the term "presstard" as well.

Haidt is a confessed liberal who took years to come to these realizations, and only was able to do so due to his training in antrhopology.

Of course Haidt has also summarized the likely leftard response "Reject first! Ask rhetorical questions later!"

http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/no-laughing-matter/

Posted by: Tim in Vermont at September 23, 2008 7:29 AM

The radical greens will be afainst her becuase she is from ALASKA and they openly resent these green jackasses trying to force their crap on them SCREW THE GREENS

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at September 23, 2008 2:44 PM

So she only hosted the Independent Party as mayor. I seeeeeee.

So if I were to marry a member of Hammas, and welcome a Hammas convention to the town of which I'm a mayor, this means I in no way support that organization?

Logic meet SDA. SDA meet logic. Try not to kill each other.

Posted by: John at September 23, 2008 5:12 PM

Tim ~ No disagreement with the substance of your post.

My sole point was that a civilized and respectful mode of discourse communicates a message more effectively, and that the sweet reason and manifest truth of the general perspective that's represented at SDA shines forth all the more brightly for being unobscured by the tone-lowering flinging of schoolyard taunts.

The reason that most left-leaning blogs are so off-putting and dismissible is that they're toxic hothouses of knee-jerk ad hominem attacks and puerile name-calling, and it's almost impossible to extract the real substance or a useful understanding of the intended message from of the general seething angry-mob foaminess and the shrill, rabid, unreasoning, pile-on tone. That's why it saddens me to see that kind of expression also taking place at SDA, to the extent that it does - it diminishes and detracts from the real message, and from the sense and value of the perspective that's represented here.

Two opposing angry mobs shouting slogans and epithets and waving pitchforks at each other aren't ever going to get any problems solved - but there may be reasonable paths forward for all of us to be found in honest, respectful communication and discussion. We can't control how others choose to comport themselves, but we can choose to hold ourselves to a higher standard.

SDA is widely monitored and often quoted in the MSM, and it seems to me that it is incumbent upon those who express themselves here to be conscious of that scrutiny. If a mindful, across-the-board effort was made to leave aside derisive labels for those who have different beliefs, any post from any thread could be referenced at any time and reflect only creditably and positively on the thoughtful, decent approach taken by those of a conservative tendency.

In short, there are more elegant and productive ways of expressing your negative reaction to ideas that you disagree with than labeling the holder of those ideas a "leftard". It's insulting, off-point, and leads to "Am not!/Are too!" rather than intelligent discussion, consensus-building, and problem-solving.

Surely we can - and should - aspire to a higher standard of expression, one that transcends the obscuring and lowering effect of schoolyard labelling on clarity and force of argument.

We're no better than the leftards if we don't.

Posted by: exetaz at September 23, 2008 6:00 PM

My only point is that the term "leftard" is not "thought free", it expresses a reality. The reality is that two way discussion with a leftie is a complete waste of time, for the aforementioned reasons.

For example, we could take up John's astroturf post, and try to engage him in honest discussion. You go ahead and try. We both know what the result will be.

Posted by: Tim in Vermont at September 23, 2008 6:25 PM

I completely hear and agree with what you're saying, and your point is undeniably legitimate, and well-stated to boot; my concern is more with form.

The manifest intellectual limitations of such unfortunates do not absolve us of the responsibility to, nonetheless, conduct our own expositions with dignity, and to aspire to a higher standard of discourse than those with whom there is no honest discussion to be had because they're foaming moonbats. Otherwise, we end up sounding like foaming moonbats ourselves, if you see what I'm saying.

There's a lot more mileage and enjoyment, most particularly with an interlocutor with whom no meaningful or productive interchange is possible, in wielding the double-edged sword British courtesy and creatively slighting use of language.

There's little sting in "he's a howling leftard", but "I fear that my esteemed opponent is a sadly misguided and perhaps synaptically challenged naif" is actually likely to perceptibly increase the oral frothing.

If nothing is left to us but to condescend, that is to say, let us do it with style. We can do so much better than "leftard" - and it's double-plus fun because the implied superiority and whiff of elitism really lights up their underclass-connection-leveraging monkey brains.

Posted by: exetaz at September 23, 2008 9:49 PM

I completely hear and agree with what you're saying, and your point is undeniably legitimate, and well-stated to boot; my concern is more with form.

The manifest intellectual limitations of such unfortunates do not absolve us of the responsibility to, nonetheless, conduct our own expositions with dignity, and to aspire to a higher standard of discourse than those with whom there is no honest discussion to be had because they're foaming moonbats. Otherwise, we end up sounding like foaming moonbats ourselves, if you see what I'm saying.

There's a lot more mileage and enjoyment, most particularly with an interlocutor with whom no meaningful or productive interchange is possible, in wielding the double-edged sword British courtesy and creatively slighting use of language.

There's little sting in "he's a howling leftard", but "I fear that my esteemed opponent is a sadly misguided and perhaps synaptically challenged naif" is actually likely to perceptibly increase the oral frothing.

If nothing is left to us but to condescend, that is to say, let us do it with style. "Leftard" is "thought-free" only to the extent that we can do so much better than to employ this somewhat shopworn label to express our disdain - and doing better is double-plus fun because the implied superiority and whiff of ivory-tower elitism really lights up their underclass-connection-leveraging monkey brains.

Posted by: exetaz at September 23, 2008 10:10 PM

Posted by new : this woman has so many controversy in her speech
WHO is she really?

A person of your own style.
Palinanity Jane explains the bailout --

PALIN: That’s why I say I, like every American I’m speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in. Where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh, it’s got to be about job creation, too. Shoring up our economy, and getting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade — we have got to see trade as opportunity, not as, uh, competitive, um, scary thing, but one in five jobs created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation.

Posted by: dizzy at September 25, 2008 8:41 PM
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