Slightly off topic, but now Dion is telling us that the green shaft is not a central plank in the election platform.
My chief concern over this is what is the fate of Kyoto?
The dog, not the treaty.
Will Dion simply rename the mutt?
Or will poor Kyoto disappear?
Someone better alert PETA and the SPCA.
Run Kyoto run, save yourself!

Now there's a compelling election argument. Where can I get my "May For PM" button?

But one observation. Having one's car idling at stop lights or in rush-hour traffic does little for the environment.

I think SDA broke the Green Party's website.......

ROFLMAO!!!!

Who wrote those Green Policies? Sounds like the Municipal Plan of Bedrock. Did Fred Flintstone write them?

Whoops, back up now.

That's an easy one rabbit. Just make sure you live in Kentville NS, where it is now illegal to idle for more than three minutes.

Don't ya just love it when they pass laws that will never be enforced?

Its officially in ... the list for a new name for Dion's dog has been narrowed down to just two choices:

Choice #1)....DODO

Choice #2)....IDUNNO

Now comes the really hard part...
Dion has to make a decision

Back to the horse and buggyy. Start a whip company, you'll get rich.

Hmm, with the roads going downhill I guess I'll have to look into buying a small airplane to get around.

A chicken in every pot.

Pot for all the chickens.

"Double existing funding to stimulate a massive re-investment in public transportation infrastructure in all Canadian towns and cities to make it convenient, safe, comfortable and affordable"

Hmmmm, I wonder if these rocket scientists understand that this won't do much good for the folks living in the country and villages of this country as they try and get around on unimproved roads....

Some pot in every chicken.

Stricker:

For bad roads you really do need a hummer. Definitely wouldn't want to be out there with a smart car. Pot holes eat those things for lunch.

The law of unintended consequences raises its ugly head.

The Chinese tried the "green program" for forty years but are now building cars on a huge scale. Guess bicycles and bamboo shoulder poles lose their appeal when there is a choice.

CO2 is the feedstock for plants. Don't the Greens love all plants?

From the document: "Excellent public transit and efficient housing in high-density nodes along existing transit corridors will make cities livable and people-friendly."

You don't get a driveway, Kate. You get to live in a "high density node", aka large apartment building, which will no doubt be a rental. The mule will be pulling the "excellent public transit" tram in which you will be a strap-hanger. Standing room only, more efficient eh?

No doubt the trams will be on time.

The Green Party's version of the Great Leap Forward.

seems to be a serious complaint against growth. Curiously there is no mention of immigration which is were all our population growth is coming from. How very strange?

Rabbit
"For bad roads you really do need a hummer."
I love it.
Many years ago I bought a jeep. One dark night in a downpour, on a very rough road, I was being tailgated. The guy wouldn't get off my rear end. So purposely drove into a few deep potholes.
He soon bottomed out and I left him behind in the mud.
Lesson for Ellie May.
Poor roads will only encourage the purchase of 4WDs.

"The guy wouldn't get off my rear end. So purposely drove into a few deep potholes."

Also fun: Equipping winter tires and going around a corner quicker than they can.

"Curiously there is no mention of immigration"

They never make that connection, and it's usually the same group of people yelling about growth, but favoring immigration. I seem to remember the Sierra Club in California dared to mention the environmental impact of illegal immigration, and even that linkage got screamed down.

when are these green, bike riding assholes going realize they live in canada not california.

Have you ever seen (or smelled) the streets of Calgary after the Stampede parade has passed?

(hint: lots of horses)

A very high majority of people that live in cities have their electricity, heat, and tax bills included in their rents.
It's the same as their pay, they're taxed at the source.
Susequently they're in a state of bliss with no real concept of how much these cost.
All they know is that when their rent increases, it's because of a greedy landlord.
When you see how the large urban centres vote, by and large, this disconnect becomes apparent.
Thats why all the leftist parties have platforms with Mays type of rhetoric.
Green Party MPs will:
"Increase federal funding for pedestrian, cycle and car-sharing infrastructure in towns and cities.
Double existing funding to stimulate a massive re-investment in public transportation infrastructure in all Canadian towns and cities to make it convenient, safe, comfortable and affordable.
Make transit passes tax-deductible to encourage workers and businesses to use public transport and provide financial support to provinces that provide free public transit passes to people living below the poverty line.
Cancel all funding for specific highways and bridge expansions (like the Gateway Program in Greater Vancouver) that encourage urban sprawl, increase private vehicle use, truck transport of goods and consequently increases greenhouse gas emissions.
Ensure federal infrastructure funding does not go to expanding highways and roads."
More city people, more lefty voters.
That FACT that Canada is almost 5000 miles wide, escapes these wizards.

I thought Greens were vegetarians. Shouldn't that be organic tofu in every pot?

The problem with the Green Party (in my opinion) is that some of their policies actually make some sense ...

For example, years ago I heard that the Railroads used far less fuel to transport goods and passengers and were (mostly) abandoned because the low cost of fuel made the price difference between railroads, trucks and airplanes not a major issue. If you make the assumption that we're heading towards $200/Barrel oil in the future it makes sense to reinvest into the railroad in order to maintain our standard of living.

At the same time, the green party seems to focus to heavy on ideals and not enough on practical solutions which means that most of their policies are pretty bad.

Although, when you think about it, the Green party may be the best thing that happened to the Conservative party in a long time. The Green party is (probably) going to see a 4% to 10% increase in their popular vote results in this election which will (primarily) come from the Liberals and NDP supporters, which means that if the Conservatives get the exact same people to vote for them they will (potentially) end up with a majority government.

"convenient, safe, comfortable and affordable"

Please notice: No mention of "fast"

Canada is, as noted, an extremely large country.

The Green Plan reminds me of the vast ugly apartment complexes of the Kruschev era in Moscow. These are not 'friendly' areas and ther's no pride of ownership. Their suggestion that you can travel everywhere, by public transit or bicyle is naive in the extreme. How about lugging your groceries and three children with you?

You cannot do without the car. Furthermore, the Greens (and Liberals) ignore that our suburban sprawl means that residences are far from work. Do we really have the economic means to insert public transit in each and every far-flung suburb? No.

Why should everyone live on a public transit line? Why shouldn't we live on quiet, tree-lined, garden-filled sidestreets? Why do the Greens insist that we all live on the noisy, dirty main street?

Notice their emphasis on farmers. Great. But, kindly remember that Canada moves into 'No Growth' for approximately 6-7 months of the year. Our food has to be trucked in - all those oranges and lettuce in December require roads to travel on. And not pot-holed roads; but good roads.

NoOne- agreed, the Greens (and the Liberals) are big on utopian visions. Not very handy with practicalities.

Frankly Lizzie, it is because you are delusional and ignorant.

Quote of the day from Ottawa Sun op-ed page (09.19.08):

"I'm getting very tired of discussing my electoral prospects with national media who talk to me as though I'm delusional or ignorant" - Green party Leader Elizabeth May on the race for a seat in Central Nova.

You can't make this stuff up.
Hilarious.

Let's see, aunt Bea. You Have 4 to 10 percent of those polled who agree with you.
Maybe the other 90 to 96 percent think you're delusional. Got any more pies in the window for people who won't drive anymore.

I'll be only too happy to trade my SUV in for a horse just as long as they'll let me wear six-shooters and carry a lever gun.

Looks like another part of their plan is to revitalize the railroads. Goody! I always wanted to rob trains...

Bet your boots the chickens would be organic too!
May did deliver some organic pumpkins and other veggies to a farmers market couple of weeks ago.Not clear if she has her own poop fertilized garden though.

"More roads don't solve the problem, they make it worse, quickly filling up with more cars."

Hmm, that Green Logic has a certain...je ne sais quoi:

"New housing won't solve the world's population problem, it just makes it worse, quickly filling up with more families."

"More hospitals won't solve the health-care shortage, they make it worse, quickly filling up with more sick people."

For the first time ever, I'm actually looking forward to the debates.

Any of these greenies ever try to be a painter and use Toronto's "excellent public transit", they would soon run out and buy a really big old car.

Ladders are a beeatch on the subway, eh? And paint weighs 10lbs a gallon.

EBD,

Hmm, maybe the green party has some economists working on its platform.

"More oil drilling won't solve the oil shortage, the effect of any increased supply will be negated by increased demand. $250 oil is unavoidable."

This is what comes of the new disease that has reached epidemic proportions in Canada and the US...

Cranio-Rectal Inversion (CRI). The most common symptoms include seeing only Sh!t and having Sh!tty ideas.

The Green and Liberal Parties may be repositories for this dreaded illness. Doctors are advising people to stay at least 30 metres away from Green and Liberal candidates during the election period, when most people are susceptible to the disease.

Please send money to help us fight this scourge.

I do not know about the envirotards down in latteville, but up here in knuckledragger country they all seem to live out in the boonies.

How on earth are these leftoids going to get back and forth to their rural palaces if the roads are not maintained? It sure is going to be awful tough on their volvos and subarus.

IDIOT ENVIROTARDS!

Monsooer Dion da Fwench geeneeus as da nu doog ee es calling heem fuk-f-I-know.
Cheers Bubba

Some chicken, some pot!
This epitomizes the divorce of notional authority from real responsibility -- promise whatever, given that you know you'll never be held to account to actually deliver on any of this blather. Promise the moon. And why not? The promises are free. This exists to some extent in all political platforms, but the Greens have taken it (token it?) to new levels of absurdity -- unworkable solutions for imaginary problems.

"The Green Plan reminds me of the vast ugly apartment complexes of the Kruschev era in Moscow."

Imagery always helps with the undecided, easily manipulated vote.

Green is actually grey. And ugly.

Nice one, ET.

C'mon guys....it sounds like utopia to me.

All kidding aside, if one were to follow the Green party plan assuming they had the power to implement it....

Whoa got to get a aspirin. My head is spinning

Hey, I happen to love chicken pot pie in spite of what Pammy Anderson says.

I recently heard (ergo, hearsay evidence) that Halifax public transit ridership was up. Unfortunately, so was transit crime. From the news I gather that Calgary's LRT system is turning into the place to get robbed and stabbed in Cow Town.

I say! Smart Growth! Well that's original!

The only probklem is that noone knows what it is but everytime it has been tried, it has failed.

A warm planet is a happy planet :-)

Actually Tex, transit ridership is up here in Halifax. On two routes.

The ones they added the express runs into town on, so instead of 45 minutes to travel 20 km, it is now 15.

The rest of the routes? Empty as ever.

This whole nonsense would go away if we reformed the electoral system. Proportional representation, I say!

By area!

Election one MP for every 100,000 sq. km.

Don't laugh too hard, Lizzy might get a seat in parliament yet. It's not reported too widely, doesn't fit the agenda of the media, but the young Liberals are out campaigning for Lizzie in her Central Nova riding. So much for her not having any deal with the Liberals! Fibber jib.

The Greens are cranks and crackpots.

No amount of marketing will ever quite cover up the fact that they are a fringe party for political lunatics.

A warm planet is a happy planet :-)

Yeah, one of the funniest comics I've seen on the subject is two old naked guys sitting on a park bench with all these voluptuous naked women strutting around and one was saying to the other: "Boy I'm sure glad I lived long enough to see global warming!"

Elizabeth M doesn't appear to be starving by any stretch of the imagination. Seems selfish of her to wish starvation, cold and darkness on everyone else.

Hypocrite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g0MDjrl32M

I took few Geography courses
we did study if we let city become small and wide spread or cities let all people stay togehter to save power plumbing energy and garbagge taking and etc..
the question arise by increast Tax in cityof Toronto all was escped to BRampton and Richmondhill espcially big corporation forget better bigger space and pay less tax and better structure of city can get developed

as you can see all down town city in Toronot and if you see Montrail and Qubec city are worste

no raod or tranportaion food parking all becme later issue now welcome to come to donw Toronot and see all big cooprationandeven so many are AMerincan seeling condo from 200,000 to 2 million condominum when I see that ugly road and hihg rise are sperated twoo big jiants of new building together with not shape not desing nice for city adn waste the land and noteven traffic look better it proof planer and city devlopment are not doing good job

those group should sent for punshikent to North pole of Canada and ask them to fix those ice to new land transfer if tehy can

I also I think garbage and Green garbage need to joine with Waste managment or similare company to drop look like big Iron contaier made it
smaller size for each houe in front of house to take garbage daily without touch the container to go faster pick

I mean immagine big iron green meal box one way we put garbage in ad one other side garbagemen open teh door and take garbage by use machine to do that this is efficent and reduce all job in and out of green plastic when garbage men leave all garbage plastic fell in stret and real nasty they need to change system
I may not explain it well the plastic green may not bad idea firs now I think that is not good at all road and driver of truck once of week in Toront we must see all smell of garbage thast is nasty and not enviroment correctly in order to do fast need metal small size in front and pick bymachine within a secnd to speed up the process
unless some one can fix my idea better still this garbage taking in Toront is not proper show Cityare notknow what they are doing

Ensure federal infrastructure funding does not go to expanding highways and roads.

Or to think of it another way - "Ensure the roadside memorials across our nation continue to bloom and grow".

hi !

key word: EXPANDING

I take that to mean it is acceptable, or that it can be interpreted and argued as meaning acceptable, to improve EXISTING roads to get & keep them in acceptable safe condition. this is Canada eh; its called frost heave.

the more roads ya got, the more roads ya gotta spend limited funds to maintain. you want quality or quantity?

AFA the crack about road side memorials well duh, take a gander at the drinking and driving stats. that death and carnage UNRELATED to road condition unless the driver is too drunk to see and react to one of those ubiquitous potholes.

"warn't my faults yeroner, da road wuz in crappy condishun eh?"

I will never use public transit because it's full of bus people.

As I see it, the people in "have" Provinces are looking great. Highways fall under the Provincial jurisdiction and if the province has the money, no problem in fixing the roads.

All one has to do is google "federal highways" and click pages from Canada to see who is really going to suffer. There is a wonderful chart for those that love charts.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/PRBpubs/prb0569-e.htm

I heard Ellie May on CPAC this week and she was as shrill and desperate as Hillary Clinton was near the end. She was wound up tighter than a drum and got off base trying to silence a heckler. This Green Party is simply a party of the lunatic fringe. Their ideas are vague ideals, which lack in practical application, and should not be implemented. They are not thought through.

For example I work shifts which start long before public transit even begins to run in the morning. I leave the house at 5:25am and need to change into my workclothes and be in the workplace at 5:55 to relieve the other shift. In order to get where I'm going I'd need to board the first bus at 4:30, etc. Sorry, I'm not interested in using public transit. I work so I can have a car; my bus riding days are over.

mos : Maybe next time you could take an English class or two before you post again.

By the way, were you in that winter training camp video I just saw at the link below?

http://www.nefafoundation.org/multimedia-intvu.html#nefatorontocamp

"As I see it, the people in "have" Provinces are looking great. Highways fall under the Provincial jurisdiction and if the province has the money, no problem in fixing the roads."

Well, I guess that makes Morontario a "have not" province. Mike Harris, Ontario's worst ever premier (and a progressive conservative, walked away from most of the highways in Ontario and handed them to the municipalities to "maintain", chop up, etc., then signed a contract for the worst toll road superhighway in N. America, in an agreement that nobody can get out from under, or afford to drive if you make less than 60gs per year. Most of the smaller highways have now been carved up with stop lights.

There is no transportation policy in Morontario, only pipedreams by socialists. The province let the boil on the ass of Ontario that Toronto has become, go 50 years without ever having to build single major east-west intra-urban corridor, preferring instead to allow the people of the province to underwrite Toronto's urban transportation needs with the "401 bypass" as it was originally known. As a consequence, transportation across southern Ontario is at a standstill, and no amount of public transportation can fix it, even if we could afford it. When Oakville is done, the strangulation of Southern Ontario will be complete and the economic strength that remains here will begin to collapse in on itself. Mississauga and Toronto are pricing themselves out of their labour pool which is one of the reasons for the explosive growth of the 'burbs and the need for more and better roads.

Harris should have maintained and strengthened the small inter-urban highways, started to limit their access to prevent them from become local shortcuts as the 401 has become, and required municipalities to dovetail internal transportation corridors with the small highways as part of their land development schemes. Presently, building permits are handled out with virtually no regard for infrastructure needs, and the tax base is expected to pick up the shortfall for the lack of foresight. Consequently, we get to pay for fewer direct services and underwrite expansion without limit, or I would argue, benefit.

Mississauga anticipated some of this and has a few fairly strong east-west corridors. Oakville has none. However even in Mississauga, they've continued to seriously underestimate east-west traffic flow, incorrectly assuming that the bulk of their transportation requirements would be north-south. All a planner and a politician had to do was stand back and look at a map - you can't continue to stuff development into a sewer pipe without it eventually clogging. At some point you have to put in a bigger or more pipe or you wind up with what we've now got - a stinkin' holy mess.

in any event the greens will peak this time around because ms lets-go-a-maying is going to blow it big time. she is shrill, she is delusional and getting a couple seats in the 2008 parliament will prove to be her/its/their undoing because she/it/they will be on the parliamentary channel amongst other things.

bad publicity better than none?

not in her case !!!

I voted green once. then she cut the infamous deal-with-the-devildion to avoid each other's high ground when one of them had a shot at a riding.

mmmmmm . . . never again. and soon, quite soon in the time line of a nation, there ain't gonna be greens on the ballot !!!

hint to mos: pass it thru a word processor's spell check and correction THEN c&p into the posting. are you stephan incognito?

I see the 10,000,000 mark coming up.

city need to talk to Iran for better Aspalt for city road I noticed that street all Portogess work seat and keep change the road while all wast the tiem I noice amount of asfalit percnetage is not stronge enough for that population in and out
talk to middle east and Iran for this fix percnetage of qulity of Asfallt use in road
every two years keep change it because quality is not good not good inpector an wast money
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I was watching CTV few month ago

the reporter asked Mr. Miller
I heard you have a crash on that Indian acteress
( I do not know her name her phot is every where with fak green eyes or may real)

he siad Yes I am

I just really discuss me for seeing him
act like Canadian Bill Clinton in Toronto

Mayor Miller

all the time while he crash of poor Indina miss Paki-Indian take off cloth for ther new dance act class for English men clapping and pay money

Mr. Mille all the time we hear from him when we hear few gun shut in Toronot to come to TV
saY:

1) Oh we still working in gun ban while ganag is not stop in Toroto yet

2) did you notice new permison for all Adult movie shop in every corner before in Toonto we could see one coffe time or hod dog vendor now we see adult movie

even near CIty of MRS. Hall squre
even near Muslim halal food restrautn
even near churhc of chrisitna portogesse square
even near every traffic light corner you can see

big sign
get one and second one free ADULT

realy the word ADULT is misuse in dictionary of Candian culture now like the word marrige by gayiess and teh word stupid by Mr. May used or few stupid candain

why not Mr. Miller watching all Indian crash lady
do not use the word PORN movie in each corner why tehy are allow to use "ADULT" get misuse

the city getting shamefull all full adultry and Mr. Rogers footable filed and no one else

My suggestion to take all thoe garbab adult movie out and take all women out of down Toronto like Mr. Palin-CLinton come up byr Jeiwh fund rasing and that picutre of Indain model

instead put nice phot and not let woman get abuse as we see politian model woman and beach party women every where in Toront is picture of womwan " take it offcloth" for photo modeling
keep some morality and respect for women all not garbage
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the city of Toronto If I was articulral desing enginer I tear apart
I built it again I built one Scoti building then made all park supmarket parking and etc then move otehr building far aprt from it and make sure all thing get consider

the city of Toronto only built buidiling with no future

if you have city with not correct model you can invite people to come and usepay
Canad air line more money
if you plan to made city able for torurim to come

1) city design is important
2) do not let conservative stay as host becau tehy give htem hell hate wods to new any torristm and multicultrim except american and Isreali what i mean must be talk nice to tourist come to canada

canada has good name out when peopel come never come back again not enough fun here or warm people hospitality
if number people come to down town or nice deisgn house increase tehn Air_Canda sell more ticket and poltical party are les fight over
power and tax too

we do have lots of land we do not need so much immigrant in we need more tourims come and bring money and go and we need more export for food and otehrs to go out and econmic get active

we do not like to let population stay longere here we want they come and come back again
beore we need good mayer
who made city calm and safe not look like Chicago

city need to talk to Iran for better Aspalt for city I noticed that street all Portogess work seat and keep change the road while all wast the tiem I noice amount of asfalit percnetage is not stronge enough for that population in and out
talk to middle east and Iran for this fix percnetage of qulity of Asfallt use in road

No more embrasing remark about woman Mr. Miller

Metro Toronot is still so much mess but they can made it better change all structure of city to teh way peolcan live really not like todaybuilding is there no food and nobody can move there is disaster all builidng in downtown no client can go since no paring there and too many parking ticket all is worong message for ecomnoy there

haye, aren't you supposed to be out picketing Loblaws?

Get to it, eh?

SCREW THE GREEN PARTY THEIR AS IDIOTIC AS THE REST OF THESE GREEN TREE HUGGER FREAKS