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September 13, 2008

Implausible Denial Ability

Your lying ears -- and videotape -- versus Elizabeth May's stack of Bibles:

Steve Paikin: "I thought I heard you say you 'fundamentally agree with that assessment.'" Elizabeth May: "No. I know, it's funny how it sounds, but I said 'I fundamentally disagree with that assessment.'"

May goes on to explain that the thousands of people who heard clearly what she actually said, in the clip Paikin played for her just moments before, are, in fact, mistaken:

May: "What happened is, I do have a tendency to talk fairly quickly, and I can remember we taped the segment on the Monk Center and I..."
Paikin: "It was live, actually..."
May: "Yeah...oh, but I watched on TV later..."
Paikin: "Right. We did it live at eight o'clock, and then you watched it later at eleven."
May: "Okay, so I watched it later at eleven to see how it was and I watched and I thought 'Oh, what happened there?' And I remember the beginning of when I'm talking the mic wasn't on and then it came to me and it ended up raising the volume on one part of my sentence and somebody else said something so I was fundamentally disagreeing with that assessment but turning away so the way it all worked out -- and I could swear on a stack of Bibles and if anyone watches it they can see, plus the audience at the time understood what I was saying -- I was sitting next to John Duffy, and Andrew Coyne was down the other end, and you were there -- and if I had ever said in front of a room full of anybody that I thought Canadians were stupid I don't think that would have passed without comment, so people at the time and in the moment understood what I had just said, but with the lifting the quote out of context, the putting it on a blog site and alleging that I'd said that, it's created a bit of a firestorm, but anyone who watched my speech at the launch of the campaign on Sunday morning knows that my firm and passionate commitment is to be of service to people in this country and convince them that democracy works..."

Watch -- and listen to -- the whole tap-dance. It's highly instructive, particularly when she describes how, in 2006, she was "devastated" that Harper and Layton "chose to bring down the government of Canada."

Posted by EBD at September 13, 2008 7:35 PM
Comments

Can someone tell me at what time her statement is, so I'm spared the full interview?

Posted by: Erik Larsen at September 13, 2008 8:52 PM

Just listened to the original clip a half dozen times.

She said "agree" not disagree. Absolutely no question.

If she and her handlers had half a thought between them they could have SO easily spun this to have her mean that she agrees that politicians think we are stupid, but not her. Of course her chief of communications is not even capable of typing out a coherent sentence, so this line of arguement should come as little surprise.

By trying to say that she said something she absolutely did not say, she is only digging herself deeper.

Posted by: AtlanticJim at September 13, 2008 8:54 PM

We I looks like May has finally become a Liberal Politician...She can look into the camera and nothing but Bullsh$t comes out!!

Posted by: Kitchener Conservative at September 13, 2008 8:56 PM

She clearly said "disagree". What are you? Stupid?

Posted by: andycanuck at September 13, 2008 8:57 PM

Lizzy.

No weed-ies before interviews...

Make sure your handlers pass that one left.

:D

Posted by: Hard Right at September 13, 2008 9:01 PM

My Husband and I both heard the statement on the Roy Green show today

She definitely said " I think Canadians are stupid.... not They think.....

Anyone who heard differently just wants it to be differnt.

Posted by: Alberta Girl at September 13, 2008 9:07 PM

It's too bad really. A stronger Green party means even more vote-splitting on the left. Which looks good on them. Really good on them. The best we could hope for is for the Greens, Liberals and Dippers to be in a statistical three-way tie for second place in the polls the day before the election. The whole "strategic voting" concept would be down the toilet.

Posted by: Raging Ranter at September 13, 2008 9:07 PM

"and convince them that democracy works..."

Yeah, thank God for that. Her rejection by the electorate will reassure me.

Posted by: charles pieplate at September 13, 2008 9:13 PM

Wow, enter main stream politics and become a liar. I wonder when Dion is going to scream that she's a liar.

Today on the Roy Green show, somebody mentioned that May said Canadians are stupid, and Roy knew nothing about this. After a few moments, his staff found the tape and he played it. A few minutes later, he said that his staff did more digging and the tape was a fake, and he apologized to Ms. May. A few minutes after that, he said there are always 2 sides to a story and he would talk about it more tomorrow and he would try to have Ms. May on tomorrow.

Again, it's the blogs that are spreading the news. He has a national news show, there's no excuse for him to not know about this story.

Off topic, but just imagine if somebody made the lipstick comment about her instead of Harper. We'd never hear the end of it.

Posted by: Barbara at September 13, 2008 9:15 PM

Litigeous Liz has now threatened 2 lawsuits within a week,one because she wasn't getting her freedom of speech rights in the debates,the second because she was caught demeaning Canadians and was trying to hide the truth and take away a Canadians free right to speech.
Canadians are a patient and forgiving bunch but Liz here in Canada if you threaten 3 strikes during an election campaign, you're out.
Liz you have a lot to learn about being a Canadian,perhaps you should move back to the lawsuit obsessed US of A where I'm sure you will be a lot more comfortable suing anything that moves.

Posted by: Bocanut at September 13, 2008 9:19 PM

I believe that Roy will find out the tape was NOT a fake - as much as the Greens would like it. It surprised me that he didn't know about it.

I think that TVO has put the correct tape out there and confirms that she did say I think..... I believe she has apologized to TVO and dropped her suit against the blogger.

I really hope Roy digs into this because if he has Lizzie on and asks her, she will deny, deny, deny and have things so twisted around that it is easier to just believe her than argue.

Posted by: Alberta Girl at September 13, 2008 9:23 PM

Memo to Ms May:

When you find yourself at the bottom of a deep hole - STOP DIGGING.

Of course being a pseudo Liberal mis-speaks are a big problem, real Liberals have the MSM to cover for them.

She should be glad that she didn't make that alliance with Harper or the media would have her hanged, drawn and quartered by now.

Posted by: Joe at September 13, 2008 9:26 PM

Since May is so blatantly a Liberal, what is she going to do when it's her turn to debate with Dion? Trade recipes with him?? Or do we just skip that part because they don't have disagreements on anything? This is just too ridiculous.

Posted by: Soccermom at September 13, 2008 9:30 PM

She's lying. It's that simple.

The reality is that she said 'agree' and also, that she said that 'I think Canadians are stupid'. Now - how does she get out of this?

1) Her..hem...director of communications writes an illiterate letter threatening to sue for slander and libel. He sends this to blogs that post the actual video clip and audio tape of her making those statements.
Now, he can't, legally, make such threats; there's no slander or libel in replaying a clip from a public TV show. But - he does.

2) Then, her..hem..director of communications informs blogs that TVO is ALSO intending to take legal action. Untrue.

3) Then, her..hem..director of communications informs us that the tape was 'tampered with'. Untrue.

4) Then, Ms May informs us that..actually, there was no need for her..hem..director of communications to write his illiterate letters or threaten bloggers. No need. Why not? Because she never said it in the first place!

5) She sets up a red herring ..that she was 'disagreeing with someone else..and there was a problem with the mike..and..

6) Then, she declares that she actually said 'disagree' rather than 'agree. This is not only untrue, but..her 'appeal to authority' by 'swearing on a stack of bibles..is fallacious.

7)Then, she's on to yet another fallacious tactic, the 'appeal ad populam' where she informs us that anyone watching or listening to her knew what she said and meant. Actually, she's right on that; she said 'Canadians are stupid'.

8)And, phew, yet another fallacy..ad populam..that the audience understood her..

9)And finally, another red herring and also, an illogical statement, that IF she had actually said 'Canadians are stupid' THEN, others on the panel would have commented. Because they didn't comment..she declares that proves she didn't say it.
Sorry - you can't link the two; that's 'shifting the proof'..and you can't say that 'it's a truth that the others would have commented if she'd said that'.

And then, she moves on to her final point
10) where she cloaks herself in purity, and someone defines herself as having something to do with 'democracy'.

My concern is her relationship with truth and accountability - both of which are foreign to her, and yet, are integral to 'making democracy work'.

Posted by: ET at September 13, 2008 9:30 PM

It's like the old line every supervisor has wanted to put on an evaluation at least once,

"Member has hit bottom, continues to dig."

Posted by: AtlanticJim at September 13, 2008 9:30 PM

Best thing to do when an idiot has dug themselves a hole that deep? Fill it with cement.

Posted by: bob at September 13, 2008 9:32 PM

Barbara: "A few minutes later, he said that his staff did more digging and the tape was a fake..."

I suspect that's why Paikin cut May off -- he ain't no monkey -- when she said "I can remember we taped the segment.." He made a fine point of pointing out that her utterances were broadcast live. Since there are certainly people extant who would have taped the show as it was being broadcast live, May and her handlers and trainers are going to have to give up on the whole "faked tapes" gambit.

Posted by: EBD at September 13, 2008 9:33 PM

Elizabeth May is a flake.

Posted by: Lori at September 13, 2008 9:33 PM

Up until now I've always pictured her in my mind as a warthog. No offense to warthogs, though.

Now, I'll just think of Ms. May as "The Weasel". An advancement on "bald-faced liar".

Posted by: burpnrun at September 13, 2008 9:39 PM

I'm not totally convinced that Ms. May is a liar. She is, however, stupid ..... remarkably stupid.

It is a sad commentary indeed on the Canadian political system when someone with the IQ of a common housefly is allowed to participate in a "leaders" debate.

Posted by: biff jr. at September 13, 2008 9:46 PM

Don't be silly Kate.

Of course Elizabeth May didn't have any intention of calling Canadians stupid. I'm no fan of Liz - I guess I don't have a big enough imagination - but this is a non-starter.

She's just a blathering, abrupt and unfocused day dreamer. Her mouth couldn't keep up with the incoming calls and she strangled a thought. I really don't think it's anything more than that folks, so lets move on.

Posted by: Mr. X at September 13, 2008 9:49 PM

Mr. X - please tell us your data base that makes you so certain that Ms May not only had no intention of calling Canadians stupid..but that she didn't say such a sentence.

All she has to do to deal with the issue is to declare that she misspoke and didn't mean it.

Instead, she has, via her 'director of communications', threatened the freedom of speech of a number of Canadian citizens; then, told us that the tape was doctored thereby accusing some Canadians of malice. Then, she has made fallacious appeals - informing us that 'the audience knew what she said'. But we, the audience, heard her very clearly.

Then, she's told us, authoritatively, that 'IF she had said it, THEN someone would have reacted at the time. Nope; that's a non-sequitur.

If she believes in democracy, then we ought to see some acknowledgment on her part of OUR right to freedom of speech. She has so far denied it.
And some acknowledgment on her part of the value of truth and accountability. She has so far denied both values.


Posted by: ET at September 13, 2008 9:59 PM

I have seen pretzels with less twisted contortions! As an excuse this has all the ear marks of the political equivalent of drooling. Its an insult that folks like her ,or even a Peggy Noonan. Now think we can trust them after the unintentional unveiling of their true opinions, by what passes long winded BS for denying it.

Posted by: Revnant dream at September 13, 2008 10:00 PM

Just wondering why Duffy,Palkin and Coyne did let it pass at the time....where they in shock?Or did they think it was no prob?Maybe they had tuned her out.

Posted by: bluetech at September 13, 2008 10:01 PM


For a person such a Ms. May, who was born in the USA in 1954 and lived there until 1972 and who continues to be an American citizen to this day, to say “ I think Canadians are stupid” is even more insulting and offensive than if a Canadian had said this. It is easy to tell she is American by the number of lawsuits she has threatened in the first week of the campaign. And now for an American such as Ms. May to deny and squirm and hide from the truth of this obvious blunder of a statement is a further statement of how quickly she will disappear in a democracy once the stupid Canadians cast their votes. So long and good riddance Ms. May. Don’t let the gate at the Canadian border hit your backside when you decide to move back to the US of A.

Posted by: Mudpie at September 13, 2008 10:07 PM

Not sure bluetech, but at the time, the only place I ever found it was over at loreweaver's blog, Atheist Conservative. He has the whole annoying 2 or 3 minute long version.

Never saw it here or Stephen Taylor's place or on any other blog on the Blogging Tories blog roll.

He re-upped it in light of the debate controversy and it seemed to take off this time.

Posted by: AtlanticJim at September 13, 2008 10:07 PM

This is Ms. [mistake} Elizabeth May, who cares what she says.

Posted by: Western Canadian at September 13, 2008 10:07 PM

Mr. X, the point wasn't about the I/they debate -- although May redirected it to that in her answer -- the point is that she denied, when questioned by Paikin, that she said "I fundamentally agree with that assessment" even though that's clearly what she said.

The issue at this point isn't what she meant, or even what she said, the point is her truly bizarre sense of entitlement do deny, on camera, what she said so very, very clearly in the clip Paikin showed her.

Listen to the clip Paikin replays for her and tell us that she didn't say "agree."

Maybe she can get away with the I/they denial because if you stand on a chair and hook your heel behind your head and jump up and down, you can hear "they" once in every twenty attempts, but there is absolutely, positively no doubt that she did NOT say "fundamentally DISagree," as she -- remarkably, unfathomably -- claims.

That was the phrase Paikin asked her about. May deigned to tell the whole world that their own clear senses are inaccurate because she says so.

(BTW, it's not Kate's post, so Kate's not being silly. Although, it's Saturday night, so I can't say for sure...)

Posted by: EBD at September 13, 2008 10:09 PM

I made a point of watching that TVO segment after having previously listened multiple times to the TVO on line segment. I could not believe it when she stared into the camera and said she did not make those statements. Steve Paikin even gave here a second chance to come clean and she again stated she did not say what the audio of that video shows she did. Unbelieveable. It's a wonder, with Dions's hearing problems, that Ellie May, with her speaking problems, ever struck a deal to hold each others hand.

Posted by: bverwey at September 13, 2008 10:13 PM

Ad hominem alert: And she doesn't even know enough to cover her big, fat, white legs. So unattractive and so unnecessary.

Presentation counts in politics. Talk about a pit bull wearing lipstick!

Let Canadians see and hear Miss Pigg--whoops! May--on the debate. Mixing my metaphors, unless they're as stupid as she suggests--yes, she did--it won't take them long to smell a rat.

(It's hard to believe that this woman would actually belittle herself to the extent she did here. Even Steve Paikin, the lefty's lefty, seemed taken aback.)

Posted by: lookout at September 13, 2008 10:14 PM

That's Ok Ms. May. Canadians now think you're stupid. We're even.

Posted by: Sounder at September 13, 2008 10:19 PM

Sounder, "NOW" think? ;-)

EBD, I've appreciated your fine posts for some time. I'm delighted to see you're a guest blogger. Welcome in that capacity!

Posted by: lookout at September 13, 2008 10:25 PM

May's legs are entirely beside the point, lookout. May's legs are no more relevant than Dion's thin, blue, vascular legs, or Duceppe's crossed toilet-sitting legs, or Layton's stumpy bog-dwelling legs, or Stephen Harper's mighty, muscular, threshold-crossing legs.

Posted by: EBD at September 13, 2008 10:29 PM

Thanks, lookout! It's the product of years and years of twice-daily gifts, cards, flowers and phone calls.

Posted by: EBD at September 13, 2008 10:32 PM

Geez,

Back in the 19th century, being elite meant something.

Posted by: Mr. X at September 13, 2008 10:36 PM

Aye, it meant whacking beggars with a diamond-studded cane.

Posted by: EBD at September 13, 2008 10:37 PM

Good point EBD.

Posted by: Mr. X at September 13, 2008 10:45 PM

Thanks, EBD, for the laughs and the mental images "with legs". Fun, fun, fun!

Posted by: lookout at September 13, 2008 11:00 PM

I have known many,many women, down through the years of my life, that are cut from the exact same cloth as Lizzy May.They have very big egoes and bigger mouths to go with them. Funny they all pretty much look the same as her also.I have learned to avoid them at all costs and never ,ever believe anything that comes from their mouths.I would advise the canadian electorate to do the same. Just one small question,if she is an American citizen and not a Canadian ,why is she even a leader of a Canadian party and why is she allowed a voice in our political debates?? Is this what this country has come to? We have a leader of a political party that belongs to two counties,France and Canada and a leader of a political party that is not even a Canadian citizen??

Posted by: eliza at September 13, 2008 11:02 PM

Bonjour Comrades!

And greetings from Canada's Left Coast!! C'est moi who is the "Robert" in Vancouver who spilled the beans on Roy Green's show. I feel very fortunate to be on that weekly panel and always read Kate's blog and your comments in the 24 hours prior to the show.

Elizabeth May is clearly caught in a lie. She may not have meant that "all Canadians are stupid" but I have little doubt that she has similar views to Al Gore and David Suzuki, namely: "If you don't agree that climate change is man-made then you are a Global Warming Denier!"

I absolutely detest that phrase, not only because I have a personal friend who is a Holocaust survivor, but because it is a cheap tactic employed by the radical left to silence all debate.

I won't be on Roy Green's show tomorrow but you better believe I'll be listening closely.

For any who are not familiar with it, you can listen to it via http://cknw.com beginning at 11am PDT / 2pm EDT.

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver, BC) at September 13, 2008 11:17 PM

Hey Robert W.

Great job on the show today!

I was listening and couldn't believe that Roy wasn't up to date on this story.

Thanks for bringing it out in the open! I'm looking forward to tomorrow's show to see how Lizzie is going to spin this!

Posted by: Barbara at September 13, 2008 11:23 PM

I've just been searching the blogosphere and WOW the sh*t has really hit the fan. Perhaps the most telling comments can be found on Stephen Taylor's blog: http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/green-party-wilts-tape-was-not-doctored/?disqus_reply=2335066#dsq-alerts

Posted by: Robert W. at September 13, 2008 11:39 PM

Cross-posted at the Shotgun last night:

What Eliza May wants us to believe is that she talks so fast we missed the "I fundamentally DIS-agree..."

HUH??????

Did ANYONE hear the "dis."

Does this mean Ms. May is dissing us? Not so fast, young lady...

Posted by: batb at September 13, 2008 11:48 PM

Re: ... "Watch -- and listen to -- the whole tap-dance." ...

Scared me there EBD. My eyesight isn't that great, and I read
lap-dance".

In some cases, poor eyesight would be a blessing.

Posted by: Jimbo at September 13, 2008 11:53 PM

/\ Damn! Now I've got this horrible, horrible image in my head. I hope I don't get nightmares.

Posted by: Jimbo at September 13, 2008 11:56 PM

It's easy to say "oh, it was just a slip of the tongue and does not really think Canadians are stupid...hey, it happens to everyone at some point" and maybe that really is the case, or just getting caught up in the moment while trying to make a point. But...as usual...if it had of been a Conservative that said it it would be a top news story instead of basically being ignored by the msm.

Posted by: VanIslander at September 14, 2008 12:03 AM

Its enough to make a person want to sue someone and scream:

"MAY DAY!"

Posted by: Alfonso Cashbagliano at September 14, 2008 12:07 AM

When voting,please remember what Danny Williams said,ABC,anything but carbon tax.

Posted by: h.ryan at September 14, 2008 12:12 AM

Fundamentally.....Fundamentally...Fundamentally....is the lizard channeling the ghost of Paul Martin?

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at September 14, 2008 12:40 AM

To ensure that Roy Green has all of the facts at hand when he talks with Elizabeth May tomorrow, I've carefully compiled everything here.

Well done, everyone, on ensuring that this story was kept alive and Stephen Taylor wasn't bulldozed over. I have to wonder if the Liberals were in power and it had been Dion who had said such a thing if the pressure on Taylor would have been even greater. Just ruminating!

Not quite RatherGate but perhaps Canada's own "AudioGate"!!

Good night and do join me in listening in to what will be some major fireworks tomorrow morning/afternoon!

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver, BC) at September 14, 2008 1:00 AM

Exactly, syncrodox, she's just the next entirely instructive link in the evolution of Liberal pandering. One gets the unmistakable sense that she's slipped opportunistically, and with a level of unrevealed complicity, into the accountability-vacuum airstream left by the mighty Liberal juggernaut.

It's very, very close to being a sick joke. Paikin simply pulled the curtain back because what's there is there. He didn't have to partisan...ly posit anything; it was more...matter-of-fact interest.

I appreciate that some tacticians on the Conservative side wish for vote-splitting among the climate-righteousness brigade, but IMO May so perfects the otherwise-concealed audacious, confident, ambitious cultural pandering of the Liberals that the exposure of her shines a light on Dion's platform as well.

Posted by: EBD at September 14, 2008 1:02 AM

Mudpie.. I don't think you can or should judge all Americans be what Lizzey says and does.

Posted by: Rob C at September 14, 2008 1:03 AM

EDB

The lizard has about seven tenths of roll over inherent in her DNA. The whole "men are pissing on me " meme comes across as a desperate fallback from a lightweight that has no idea about the big game.

Earthwise...stone stupid.

Syncro

Posted by: syncro at September 14, 2008 1:39 AM

Question does lizzy-may denying what she so clearly said make her a "DENIER"
cheers Bubba

Posted by: bubba brown at September 14, 2008 2:02 AM

whooo weeee first time this old farm boy seen a "cow" tap dancing now that there is a mental image that needs some "jack Daniels" erasing.
cheers Bubba

Posted by: bubba brown at September 14, 2008 2:56 AM

The Canadian public, as a collective, IS stupid; we put up with lying, cheating, (overpaid) puffed up politicians and, instead of tarring and feathering them, we re-elect them! Just my opinion...
[opinions expressed here are the opinions of the poster and do not necessarily reflect those of management] ;)

Posted by: DaninVan at September 14, 2008 3:08 AM

As of now the Green party has one MP. (floor crosser not elected) After the election they will be back to their traditional zero Members of Parliament.

In other words who really cares what Ms. May said she is as relevant as a pound of bacon in Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Largs at September 14, 2008 6:11 AM

DaninVan I tend to agree with you. If Trudeau ever said anything I believed it was this, I don't care about the 15 or 20 percent that know what’s going on it's the other 85% that elect me.

Posted by: Western Canadian at September 14, 2008 6:59 AM

Elizabeth "Yapasalot" May.

Dion and the libs deserves her.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at September 14, 2008 7:14 AM

I have watched the original TVO taped segment (several times), and the Agenda show last Friday night.
Here's what I observed, and it's very clear if you watch the original:
- on it, May says "they think Canadians are stupid" ..."and I fundamentally agree with that assessment".
That IS what is stated on the original tape.

Then, on The Agenda last Friday night, May says that on the origianl show she says "...and I fundamentally DISagree with that assessment " (referring to the earlier remark that Canadians are stupid), and that she just talks fast and we didn't hear the "dis". But when you watch the original tape, and the camera shot is up close to her face and you can hear NO hint of "dis", and see no mouth movement of anything other than the word "agree".

So, May has stated an outright LIE, period.

Now, will the MSM be willing to investigate and tell this important story? I hope so, but am not optimistic. It was bad enough the original comments, but to be able to tell a bold-faced lie, on a national television interview, is something Canadians need to know about, before such an important election.

Canadians, if they know about this, should be outraged. If the MSM is not willing to tell this story, then maybe the blogosphere should. All that needs to be done is show the TVO Agenda segment from last Friday night where she claims she just talks fast, then the original one from Feb 07, with the "Canadians are stupid" comment in question.

That makes it plain as day.

Posted by: Casual Observer at September 14, 2008 7:25 AM

Some are asking why the MSM isn't taking May to task over her obvious lie.
Again, we want the MEDIA to investigate lying?

Posted by: Doowleb at September 14, 2008 7:46 AM

For Lizzie May to say she didn't say what she said when she is on tape saying it, is futile. For her to say she didn't mean to say that and blame it on her mouth in over drive talking over others, would be acceptable.

Reminds us of Chretien on video tape when asked if he would get rid of the GST when elected, his answer was, "it's gone". Of course that turned out to be the biggest lie ever, but he got a majority on the strength of that lie because we all hated the GST. It's still fuelling the underground economy today although the Harper Conservatives have reduced it by 2%.

Posted by: Liz J at September 14, 2008 8:39 AM

Eliza May is the product of her own fevered imagination--which is probably why she thinks we're all suffering from Global Warming. It's just her own burning-up brain she's feeling the heat from.

She's a joke--and only 30 years of Librano brainwashing and lowering of the bar into the swamp have put her on the public stage in our Deranged Dominion. Only in Canada, you say?

If she'd stayed in the States, there's no way she'd be let anywhere near a political party, let alone the leaders' debate podium.

All Prime Minister Harper has to do is give her enough rope to hang herself. Of course, we have the duplicitous MSM to contend with, but I suspect when Canadians see Eliza blow-hard, bullying, DIS-sembling May, huffing, puffing, spluttering, and bloviating they'll make a mental note to avoid the Green Party.

Posted by: batb at September 14, 2008 8:48 AM

It seems like Liz got caught in a whopper. Isn't she a lawyer? If so, that would explain the twisting and squirming and denials.

Posted by: ShawnC at September 14, 2008 9:09 AM

Roy Green's not the only one who hadn't heard of Mz May's mispeak. Mark Sutcliffe (CFRA Ottawa) hadn't heard of it either until Friday am and was inclined to treat it as a blog fraud. He was promptly email blitzed with links by listeners. I don't know how Michael Harris is going to deal with this as he seems to have a particular fondness for his good friend Lizzie as evinced by her frequent appearances on his show.

Where do these guys get their information? CBC? Their listeners would appear to more on top of what's happening than they are.

Posted by: Skeptic at September 14, 2008 9:32 AM

Skeptic: "Their listeners would appear to [be] more on top of what's happening than they [radio hosts] are."

Understatement of the week!

Posted by: batb at September 14, 2008 9:50 AM

Frik! Another one! As long as their moth is flapping they're lying to you!

File May's credibility with the Librano's.

At this rate they should self destruct 10 days before the election.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at September 14, 2008 9:54 AM

Lizzie wasnt a Liberal....it is clear she was a Progresive Conservative. This is why she is running in MacKay's riding. This is an old battle.

She has some history with regard to the "budworm" down east. Need to do some more research.

I had forgotten about her Chamberlain Harper comment. I am sure if you dig you will find she has numerous, numerous gadfly comments. The difference between being a lobbyist and politician is that a lobbyist serves only one constituency.

She is a bombthrower. She will have a hard time not doing that in the debate. She will make Layton look responsible and reasonable.

Posted by: Stephen at September 14, 2008 9:58 AM

Regardless of how this faux pas gets tossed around for the next few days, here is what I look forward to.

On the evening of Oct 2 Ms May will have her chance at the debate with Mr Paikin moderating.
Now I'm no fortune teller, but my guess is that Paikin will have no qualms cutting her off if she interrupts or goes ver her time limit.
Fact is, I expect that after the first two times she may even walk off stage or start crying for sympathy with her partner yelling "thats not fair".

Posted by: gimbol at September 14, 2008 11:05 AM

I'm warning you guys! If you keep going after Aint (phonetic) Bea, Barney (Bennet)Fife will get you. You've been warned before.

Posted by: Ghost of Ed at September 14, 2008 11:53 AM

Western Canadian; my epiphany was that image of Trudeau, standing on the rear platform of the receding train giving the gathered electorate the finger. At least he wasn't prevaricating.
"Fuddle duddle" on the other hand...

Posted by: DaninVan at September 14, 2008 12:03 PM

DaninVan I was a brakeman with the CPR at the time and had the fortune of returning the finger at the first overpass on the Field Hill. Don't know if he saw it or not but it sure felt good.

Posted by: Western Canadian at September 14, 2008 1:23 PM

You have to watch Liz on question period today. She is being interviewed by Jane Taber and she confabulating beyond belief. If Canadian were deaf , dumb and blind instead just dumb she might get away with it. She made another incredibly stupid statement in this baffle gag of an interview. She states that" Canadians are smarter than they think they are." I'm not quite sure what that means but my if you take her literally not only does she think we Canadians are stupid we also think we are stupid. She spends so much time with he foot in her mouth I don't know how she can breath.

Posted by: Bigsister at September 14, 2008 1:53 PM

Elizabeth May REFUSED to appear on Roy Green's show!!! What a coward, at least politically speaking!

I hope that everyone floods the lines of CBC's Cross Country Checkup beginning at 1pm PDT / 4pm EDT: http://www.cbc.ca/checkup

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver, BC) at September 14, 2008 2:17 PM

Aint Bea is beginning to sound like Yogi Berra
who once was quoted as saying "I never really said those things I said."

Another of Yogi's quotes might apply: "I wish I had an answer to that because I'm tired of answering that question."

Posted by: Ghost of Ed at September 14, 2008 2:35 PM

I think it was the voices in her head that are responsible,sometimes they take over the mouth. Clearly she wasn't wearing the tinfoil toque at the time.

Posted by: wallyj at September 14, 2008 3:06 PM

No need for Ms. May to keep making a damn fool of herself on TV. All you have to do is look at the Green Party platform, only a damn fool would run on something like that. I also think no one who wasn't 100% convinced Canadians are stupid could have come up with that platform.

That said, I love the way she keeps trying to deny her mouth ran off with her and has her minions out beating up bloggers to cover it up. OBVIOUSLY she didn't mean to say "Canadians are stupid", but she probably thinks we're all st stupid we won't see the obvious.

Its just so perfectly stereotypically Lefty I can hardly stand it.

Posted by: The Phantom at September 14, 2008 3:24 PM

I have listened to the segment several times, so has my wife: Elizabeth May IS guilty as charged, but lacks the intestinal fortitude to admit it and say, sorry. That would be the decent and honest thing to do. Her attempts to bamboozle us are shameful.

Posted by: Russ Campbell at September 14, 2008 4:17 PM

Not one caller on CBC Radio 1 has asked her about the controversy.

The way that show works is that you call up, tell them what you want to ask and then they call you back ... if they're interested.

Why do I think that they'll never call back anyone who wants to discuss her remarks?

Robert

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver, BC) at September 14, 2008 4:29 PM

P.S. She's adamant that the Greens will win at least a dozen seats.

That's a sure bet, eh? Notttttt!!!!!

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver, BC) at September 14, 2008 4:31 PM

I posted this in today's tips but it fits hee also. Her new boytoy is in trouble with elections Canada again. A whole swath of previously undeclared expenses were sent to EC in July. These are not the same ones that he was cleared of wrongdoing before.The story is over at NationalNewswatch. Cbc has missed it,of course,along with the Williams intimidation story,and anything that reflects badly on anyone but Harper. Lizzie should have known that when you lie with dogs you get up with fleas.

Posted by: wallyj at September 14, 2008 4:45 PM

Quotes?

This fits Lizzy the Fabulist like the proverbial glove:

"As a guest on The Dick Cavett Show on PBS, Mary McCarthy says that her fellow writer Lillian Hellman is overrated, and then says, “Every word she writes is a lie, including "and" and "the",” 1979."

Posted by: maz2 at September 14, 2008 5:40 PM

May now claims the Green Shaft was stolen/lifted by Citoyen Dionky from her "party".
The Red-Green party plot thickens.
...-

"Both the Green Party and Liberals have their own "Green Shift" plans, and May has said the basic idea originated from her own party." (ctv)

Posted by: maz2 at September 14, 2008 5:52 PM

Western Canadian; bouquets to you Sir!! You just made my day! (My nomination for you to receive the Order of Canada is in the mail...:)

Posted by: DaninVan at September 14, 2008 5:58 PM

I agree with Mr. X that May didn't intend to call Canadians stupid. The first statement at least, very believably was "They think Canadians are stupid" and indicated derision for the "they" who thought such. The controversy should be only about her second statement. It certainly seemed to me that she said "agree". Yet I don't see that she could have meant "I fundamentally agree all Canadians are stupid" because that was exactly the sentiment her "they" comment was deriding. So if you accept the "they" then you have to accept a charitable interpretation of "agree", whether she meant "disagree" or something else.

That doesn't mean I agree (and I do mean agree!) with her policies, of course...

Posted by: Numenius at September 14, 2008 6:08 PM

May is no doubt hoping that this issue will just blow over and go away. Obviously the fawning mainstream media will not ensure Canadians know about this outright, blatant lie. I hope the blogoshere keeps this going, until May is held accountable for it, in the media.

Posted by: Casual Observer at September 14, 2008 7:49 PM

I would watch the "may" clip, but ain't got a puke bag handy

Posted by: GYM at September 14, 2008 8:14 PM

Excellent EBD. I've never seen you post before, but you're off to a great start for an SDA writer.

Casual Observer, I hope the Conservative blogosphere keeps it going too, you have my best wishes.

Posted by: Saskboy at September 14, 2008 10:27 PM

Elizabeth May obviously said it! And you also can tell by the tone of her voice that she is someone that could easily harbour what is almost militant distain if people don't agree with her. Furthermore, her comment that people who don't agree with an "eco shrieker" agenda like hers do not care about the future of children or grandchildren is disgusting because it seems to me that if your argument is strong enough you would not have to hide behind children and grandchildren to win the debate! One thing I will say about May is she has more gall than anyone in I have seen in Canadian politics aside Pierre Trudeau, but insulting Canadian people and hiding behind children does not demonstrate leadership!

Posted by: DARTPATSOEM at September 14, 2008 10:41 PM

A stack of Bibles? How scary is that?!?! We have separation of church and state for a reason!

To be serious though, imagine Stock Day talking about swearing on a stack of Bibles.

Posted by: Kevin at September 15, 2008 10:59 AM

It is not May's first lie. Her first lie was claiming to be the only woman leading a federal party. Tracy Parsons pointed that error out, but you probably didn't know that, and you never knew what party Parsons lead, or who she is.

Can you imagine the level of "separation of church and state" outrage that would have been unleashed if Stock Day had talked about swearing on a stack of Bibles?

Posted by: Kevin at September 15, 2008 11:37 AM

I work at The Agenda with Steve Paikin.

Elizabeth May had a feature interview on The Agenda on Friday. It’s available online:
http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=41
(Note the show date is Friday Sep 12)

As well the full context video of May’s past words on The Agenda with Steve Paikin that made a splash in the blogosphere are available from the source TVO (TV Ontario).

Judge for yourself: http://urlzen.com/1h0

Posted by: Stavros at September 15, 2008 12:01 PM

Elizabeth May is a dishonest flake. It's a disgrace that she is going to be in the debates.

One can only hope the public sees her for what she is, and that her suck-holing for Dion is clear to all.

Posted by: David at September 15, 2008 12:17 PM

wallyj, she has a boy toy? a windup toy? a battery operated toy? no, couldn't have a battery, not green enough.

Posted by: old white guy at September 15, 2008 3:12 PM

Liar , Liar, pants on fire.

Makes your carbon output higher.

Posted by: richfisher at September 15, 2008 3:43 PM

Yes. I'm sure she thinks and actually said Canadians are stupid.

What are you guys, 5? How's about talking about issues, instead of this American-style election retardation?

Posted by: John at September 15, 2008 5:27 PM
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