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September 11, 2008

Elizabeth May, "Speech For Me"

But not for thee.

From: John Bennett
To: leftdog@hushmail.com
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:37:56 -0600

Please be informed that the if the video

Canadians Are Stupid!" - Elizabeth May

is not removed from your site with the hour the Green Party of Canada will seek means to prevent legal proceedings further slander.


John Bennett
Director of Communications
Green Party of Canada
(613) 562-4916 ext. 230
(Cell: 613) 291 6888
Fax: (613) 482-4632


For someone who was whining just two days ago about being deprived of a chair at the leaders' debate, she wastes no time in shutting down an ordinary citizen.

It's as they say - "Green on the outside, hot pink totalitarian on the inside".

(Note - context for the video at Stephen Taylor's.)

Upon further reflection, I have to add that there is a special sort of stupid involved when a political party threatens to sue someone they only know as "leftdog".

Posted by Kate at September 11, 2008 5:32 PM
Comments

"the Green Party of Canada will seek means to prevent legal proceedings further slander."

Err... Maybe that sentence was written by one of those Canadians.

Posted by: K Stricker at September 11, 2008 5:47 PM

Some of the commenters want him to roll over and play dead for the sake of taking votes away from the CPC.
Coalition at the grass roots, with short leashes.

Posted by: bluetech at September 11, 2008 5:51 PM

Ah yes - the stink of Sierra Club money.

Posted by: John Lewis at September 11, 2008 5:53 PM

Any lawyer types reading who can give an opinion on the youtube, libel or slander angles ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at September 11, 2008 5:55 PM

Now, now; E.May is the only female leader of a national party, leftdog should know this and pull the video. It's not fair, obviously she needs special rules because she is a woman.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at September 11, 2008 5:56 PM

All of a sudden Lizzie's clip starts showing up on all the blogs...

Posted by: Richard Evans at September 11, 2008 5:59 PM

The only ground upon which they could sue is if the video has been spliced to defame May. I personally think this is the most likely explanation.

Maybe I'm wrong but I really doubt Elizabeth May said that. And if it's a fake, your libel.

My 2 cents. Same goes for Taylor.

Posted by: Tuco at September 11, 2008 6:02 PM

legal proceedings? slander?

are they perhaps afraid that "stupid canadians" might sue *them* for slander? ha!

Posted by: VanIslander at September 11, 2008 6:05 PM

Tuco ,
I think the gripe was about copyrighted material showing up on youtube and being reproduced on his blog . His defense , is that he didn't put it on youtube , he just put it up on his site .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at September 11, 2008 6:08 PM

It is possible that I am mistaken. Forgive me, but I didn't think anyone could say such a stupid thing.

I just refuse to believe that. Can anyone confirm that she actually said that? If so, I shouldn't have called leftdog a special needs kid.

Naw...he IS a special needs kid!

Posted by: tuco at September 11, 2008 6:11 PM

Wow. This grammar-challenged e-mail supposedly came from the Director of Communications for the Greenies?

One of these things must be true:

This communications director is a J-School bottom of the class/illiterate. (same diff, I know)

Or ...

This fool is a cartooney.

Oh wait! It could also be both!

What a knigget.

Posted by: Justacanuck at September 11, 2008 6:12 PM

Ellie May is just a big baby. What's good for her is bad for everyone else.

This is no different than last night on MDL her saying that if a pro-life Liberal or Conservative joined the Christian Heritage Party they should not be allowed in the debate because they didn't have a "sitting MP". Talk about splitting hairs.

She's a tool.

Posted by: Reid at September 11, 2008 6:18 PM

On CTV, the Quebec Green Party leader is running for the Dippers!!
He just said that Jack's enviro plan is better than Lizzy's. LOL

Posted by: wilson at September 11, 2008 6:24 PM

"Any lawyer types reading who can give an opinion on the youtube, libel or slander angles ?"

IANAL, but my understanding is that anything which is reproduced or rebroadcast automatically falls under libel.

Posted by: K Stricker at September 11, 2008 6:24 PM

Further, if May DID say that I flat out REFUSE to believe that someone would be so incredibly stupid as to write a threatening lawsuit letter -- only to draw more attention to the offending video. My head is sploding.

Posted by: tuco at September 11, 2008 6:28 PM

Is Elizabeth May is any relatioship with Mr.May
that crook fraud owner of Maple lodge food
who sell "zabiehe halal" by halal certificat of ISNA in Loblaw over past 3 years to fool muslim over 15 years because Corrupted Expoert Canada like to suppor Maple ldoge for sell tonse of halal fake to Midlde east and support Pork of Canda to Dubi and Iraq

is this Mr. May owner of Maple ldoge is any relatioship with Elizabeth May or not?
is any body know this?

I knwo John Lederer of Loblaw also put his brother as Judge in Civil court to help him out too?

this is also remind me of Hilery weston who took politc of Mr. Haris !! to help her hsuband billion get higher by steal small busiens as soon taht aim got now go and search engine Hilrey Weston you only see in party among Modona or others not in any poltiical party , the similaty of Hiley weston and Sarah Palin both are Miss USA nad Hilrey Weston was Miss Irish she was model of take her cloth of in Irland and all her children born in Irland too not realy canadian citizne even Lobalw recent president is import of England not from Canada

why people and court support those peopel get rich by stel and cut so many other people out I can not understand even court knwo the fact still support them too!!

this big rich company now train their family to take big place in goverment and poltic for sake of power we can not simply trust them too

waht is background of Mr. harper and Mr. Dion in Canada? how do you trust them fully?

Posted by: food-media at September 11, 2008 6:31 PM

Slightly off topic but Kate is there going to be a CBC blogging round table this year? At work most blogs are firewalled but the CBC is allowed so I would read your old posts when I needed a break. Some of your posts there are masterpiece works of art.

CBC Roundtable

Posted by: qwerty1 at September 11, 2008 6:32 PM

"hot pink totalitarian on the inside": yeah, what's your point.

Posted by: Gunney99 at September 11, 2008 6:32 PM

K Stricker ,
...anything which is reproduced or rebroadcast automatically falls under libel....


So any potentially incendiary thing one of our party leaders says that is put up on youtube (even though in reality "they " are only libeling themselves ) can be considered actionable , by said party leader ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at September 11, 2008 6:35 PM

The word "think" before the statement "Canadians are stupid" should relieve May of being any April FOOL.
leftdog aka Buckdog aka a Canadian pitbull terrier does this sort of thing quite often when it comes to those of another political leaning. I think his blog is found under NDP with the Blogging Canadians.
big hint
'politicians "think" Canadians are stupid', we need to be a little more careful around this American Terrier, their no Staffordshire that's for sure.
NO.1 pit dog is a Staffordshire Terrier, Buck., not the American Pitbull.

Posted by: blanks at September 11, 2008 6:35 PM

Oy, I'm stoopid; I think I'll vote stoopid.
(Must be said in Blootbottle voice - The Goon Show).

Stupid person.

Posted by: RW at September 11, 2008 6:41 PM

Has anyone thought to verify that this is a legit notice and not some disgruntled Green trying to push you around? That wasn't even legible english - hardly sounds like someone who would have the title of "communications director".

I wouldn't take anything down unless there was a legit C&D.

Posted by: bob at September 11, 2008 6:42 PM

Methinks food-media is a provocateur.

Posted by: RW at September 11, 2008 6:45 PM

Rebroadcasting something that a person says in a public forum does not, and can not, constitute slander. The threatening letter is laughable. I've never seen such a week-kneed cease and desist letter, and I've seen many. If you can weed through the bad grammar, it basically says that if the video is not removed, they will try to find some money to bring legal proceedings. Despite being laughable for its ineptitude, it is quite concerning that anyone, especially someone who calls themselves a communications director, would think that simply replaying something stupid that Lizzy said can amount to slander of Lizzy, actionable by Lizzy. Twits. Oh, wait, I almost forgot about the Human Rights Commissions. I guess I'll have to change my legal advice - yes, it can amount to slander. And the Greens won't even have to try to find some money to bring the suits. And they'll be able to bring suits in eleven different venues at the same time. And if the HRC's vote Green (and I'm sure some of them do), then there will be a guilty verdict. Eleven guilty verdicts.

Posted by: Littlebones at September 11, 2008 6:46 PM

"So any potentially incendiary thing one of our party leaders says that is put up on youtube (even though in reality "they " are only libeling themselves ) can be considered actionable , by said party leader ?"

Oh hell no. I haven't heard the clip yet, but I was under the impression it isn't clear exactly what is being said before "...think Canadians are stupid."

If she insists she said "they think Canadians are stupid." it might be actionable if that is a reasonable explanation for the clip, and the implication that she calls Caandians stupid in the video isn't removed.

Posted by: K Stricker at September 11, 2008 6:55 PM

I think that if Ms May actually said those words, and I have no proof that she did, how can she stop someone from repeating them? has she the copyright for this? or is it merely a case of, what has been said is now being reported and those that said it don't like the exposure?

can one libel themselves?

Posted by: marc in calgary at September 11, 2008 6:56 PM

Too late this video is everywhere now and will be out there forever.

That beauty queen Lizzy May, like all far lefties are convinced that if you disagree with them, you are indeed stupid.

She just said it out loud.

Tsk tsk Liz. Loose lips sink ships ... even the good ship lollipop.

Posted by: John V at September 11, 2008 6:59 PM

P.S. Kate your staring at my ip aren't you.
I feel your green badge of courage upon my "emasculate testicle".

Posted by: blanks at September 11, 2008 7:01 PM

What show is it from? Does anyone know? Sounds like Paiken

Posted by: Stephen at September 11, 2008 7:07 PM

For future reference, please refer to The Streisand Effect.


Posted by: Mike F at September 11, 2008 7:10 PM

And please bear in mind that free legal advice about these and other matters is worth every penny.

Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at September 11, 2008 7:10 PM

Green is the color or envy.

They just hate it when others are prosperous and happy. I guess it really isn't easy being green.

When I say "go green" I am talking about bucks, moolah, coin, dough, drachmas, dollars, cash ... gold latinum and I want everyone to have some, but have their own, not other people's.

Crying 'poor gaia' with a violin and and a tax strategy just don't cut it for me.

Posted by: John V at September 11, 2008 7:17 PM

I think it is a question of interpretation,

It appears to me she is saying (after repeated listening):

"Politicians are afraid to mention the word tax and "THEY" think Canadians are stupid, and cannot, and I fundamentally agree with that assessment"

To my ears she is in fact agreeing with the assessment that "Politicians are afraid to mention the word tax and "THEY" think Canadians are stupid.

The tape isn't edited, but cut short, preventing us from determining proper context.

That said, the Watermelons and Ms. May have made asses of themselves for threatening to sue.

Posted by: Blazingcatfur at September 11, 2008 7:22 PM

There seems to be some dispute about what May said vs. what she meant.

It is similar to the debates taking place on US talk radio for the past couple of days about whether or not Obama called Palin a pig.

Hewitt says yes; Prager says no. They are playing the clip over and over again and their callers are debating it.

Note that NOBODY is being sued for by either Obama or the networks for a) playing the clip and b) debating what he said or meant.

I care less about May's words than about the idea that her camp would threaten to sue over this.

That fact says way more about her than that clip ever could.

Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at September 11, 2008 7:22 PM

If the clip is really her and is uncut, I can't see how it could be libel or slander. I am a bit unclear whether she says "I" believe Canadians are stupid or "they" (politicians) believe it.

Posted by: Mark Bourrie at September 11, 2008 7:23 PM

Stephen, it definitely sounds like Paikin. So, this clip is probably from The Agenda.

(For left wing bias, I consider TVO as bad as the CBC these days. And, like the CBC, they just don't see it. "Who us?" Dolts.)

Posted by: lookout at September 11, 2008 7:23 PM

I called John Bennet's posted cell# and talked to him, he was as frantic as a child dipped in gravy and sent through the Lion Safari on a bicycle with flat tires.

Messege to Lizzie..." I MAY (pun intended) be stupid, but I am smart enough to see through your attempt at a free life paid for from the taxpayer's wallet.

BUZZ(another pun)OFF and get a job/life!

Posted by: Zilla at September 11, 2008 7:25 PM

This must have come from Steve Paikin's TVO programme the agenda.

And while I am no fan of May in the least, it is not at all clear to me whether she is saying "they" (politicians) or "I" (May) think Canadians are stupid. I strongly suspect the former.

She is obviously completely out of touch with the Internet though.

Once these things hit a site like YuoTube they're out there beyond recall. A PC hard drive in Romania is well beyond the writ of the Canadian Criminal Code.

Posted by: JJM at September 11, 2008 7:25 PM

Isn't suing trying to get other people's money?

Posted by: John V at September 11, 2008 7:26 PM

Richard Evans at September 11, 2008 5:59 PM


Suddenly popping up? New to the web are you? I was listening to a longer version of that clip months ago. Loreweaver had it up as a wmv months ago.

Posted by: AtlanticJim at September 11, 2008 7:29 PM

I tried to post TVO's website address with the audio of the Agenda show where May's comment was made, but it got caught-up in the spam filter, I guess. The clip is a 12.3 mb mp3 file or podcast available from TVO.

Posted by: Chris at September 11, 2008 7:31 PM

First of all, according to the various clips of this segment, which are still up on other sites (Is the Green Party actually going to threaten to sue ALL these sites?)...Elizabeth May did say:

"Canadians are stupid".

She said this in reply to a question (sounded like Paikin of The Agenda)..on why there is so little 'political will' for a carbon tax. May's response was that politicians are scared of the tax and that she agrees with the tax..and that "Canadians are stupid".
Presumably she meant that Canadians are stupid not to approve of what SHE approves; namely, a carbon tax.

As for suing for slander or libel - that's impossible. It was a comment made by May herself on public television. It wasn't a comment made by someone else about May. SHE SPOKE THOSE WORDS. Therefore, slander (a spoken attack) or libel (a written attack) are simply not applicable here.

As for the HRC, that's equally inapplicable. May spoke those words. It's not words about her.
If anyone ought to feel insulted, it's Canadians. By Elizabeth May.

My own feeling is that IF the Green Party actually wrote that letter - they were doing it on their own. Furthermore, take a look at the 'letter'; it is so ungrammatical as to be a joke. Take a look at the exchange between leftdog and John Bennett, Director of Communications for the Green Party of Canada. Bennett can't write English. He's the director of communications?

Bennett writes:

"You are knowingly asisting in slander get it down or you face legal action us & TVO.

Journalism is more than repeating. You have a responsibility to verify the facts.

Get get it down now."

That's written by a Director of Communications??

Again - rewriting or reposting Elizabeth May's actual words...her actual voice speaking those words..is NOT SLANDER! Who is being slandered?? Not May; she spoke those words. That's the facts. She said those words. She's accountable for what she said. It's we Canadians who should be getting a response from May - WHY did she tell us that "Canadians are stupid"??

Posted by: ET at September 11, 2008 7:32 PM

Blazingcatfur is correct.

I'm no Greenie, but May did say:

"Politicians are afraid to mention the word tax and "THEY" think Canadians are stupid, and cannot, and I fundamentally agree with that assessment"

Listen close. She says "they". There's no doubt about it. I wish she had said "I", because it's a legitimate gaffe then, but she did say "they."

Sorry folks.

Posted by: Itchyman at September 11, 2008 7:32 PM

Being a fan of many tech blogs, and hearing constantly about DMCA takedown notices regarding youtube, it's my opinion that you have absolutely nothing to fear.

You yourself aren't hosting the offending content, youtube is. It would be akin to a newspaper printing something libelous or slanderous, and then Ms. May trying to sue the paper boy for handing out the slanderous content.

The only problem though is that if they sent a DMCA takedown notice to youtube, that video would be dropped immediately until the poster of that video responds with their counter claim that the original DMCA takedown was not valid. It's a shoot first ask questions later type of system for youtube.

Posted by: bar_jebus at September 11, 2008 7:35 PM

But ... is global warming real?

PROOF

Posted by: John V at September 11, 2008 7:36 PM

Looking at it now this appears to be a fake. Googling for leftdog@hushmail.com only turns up a handful of websites, one of which is a blogspot blog which is about dogs. If you look at the users profile, you'll see that they describe themselves as a "Canadian Citizen Journalist".

Also note that the domain isn't from the green party, and note the poor English. Also in that google search, another Saskatchewan blog called buckdogpolitics also got a similar message, with an equally misspelled and un-official sounding response after he email this person.

Also, that blogspot account is someone from Saskatchewan apparently, so the fact that two Saskatchewan blogs received this makes me think it's just some dumb rando from our fair province.

Posted by: bar_jebus at September 11, 2008 7:41 PM

There seems to be some dispute about what May said vs. what she meant. Kathy .

What if she were Dion , and said something incredibly stupid that I knew he didn't mean , but the soundbyte was comic gold ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at September 11, 2008 7:42 PM

Well it seems that the Greens have just thrown water on a grease fire.

Now the video is everywhere and Ms. May now has to answer for her attempts to squelch an ordinary citizen.

Posted by: Voidraithe at September 11, 2008 7:43 PM

Probably an English major, with a minor in Victims Grievance Studies

Posted by: Fred at September 11, 2008 7:48 PM

Itchyman I agree with you and BCF, but that leads to the question why would she want the video taken down if its harmless??

Posted by: MikeP at September 11, 2008 7:50 PM

"SHE SPOKE THOSE WORDS. . ."

Even the truth can be considered defamatory if it is deliberately placed in a context where it is likely to be misinterpreted.

Posted by: K Stricker at September 11, 2008 7:54 PM

Could somebody (Atheist perhaps) provide a link to the original source from which these clips are taken? I'd really like to hear it in context before passing judgment on it. As much as I may not agree with where May stands, I do think that we should be very sure of what we speak before running with it. Do any of us seriously want to stoop to the level of the so-called progressives at rabble, huffpo or kos?

Posted by: Sylia at September 11, 2008 7:54 PM

Stephen Taylor says he created the clip

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/leave-leftdog-alone/

Posted by: Fritz at September 11, 2008 8:00 PM

Even the truth can be considered defamatory if it is deliberately placed in a context where it is likely to be misinterpreted.
K Stricker


And if the speaker is the one doing the misinterpreting ? Sorry for the legal BS , I'm going somewhere with this .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at September 11, 2008 8:03 PM

For anyone interested this is the audio clip I listened to at Atheist Conservative's site:

http://tinyurl.com/3wpfac

Posted by: Blazingcatfur at September 11, 2008 8:13 PM

k stricker - it has nothing to do with truth.

The clip is her words, made in a discussion about carbon taxes. She's in favour of them. Now, what she meant by "Canadians are stupid" - she's the one who has to explain that. To us Canadians.

Posted by: ET at September 11, 2008 8:21 PM

I just think its hilarious that the Greentards are threatening to sue Leftdog the dippertard over posting what is evidently an un-edited recording.

Leftdog seems not to have gotten the freedom of speech message though, as he took down my comment.

I hope they tear each other to shreds. It will look good on the little pocket tyrants.

Posted by: The Phantom at September 11, 2008 8:23 PM

I've listened repeatedly to the disputed word in question, including on the full show at

http://www.tvo.org/podcasts/theagenda/audio/TAWSPTheLongGoodbyeGDP022207.mp3

and she clearly says "I think..." etc.

Someone asked "First of all, if all of you seem to agree that environmental costs need to be internalized -- and a carbon tax is one way of doing that -- why is there so little political will for a carbon tax?

MAY: "All (inaudible) politicians are scared to mention the word tax, and I think Canadians are stupid and cannot -- and I fundamentally agree with that assessment -- but most politicians think that if you say 'we're going to put on a carbon tax and reduce your income tax' they don't think they can sell it, it's all about votes."

If you take out that one word, the "I", you're left with a coherent statement that's congruent with her p.o.v. and was almost certainly what she intended to say: "All politicians are scared to mention the word 'tax,' and think Canadians are stupid and cannot..." etc.

Or, she meant to say "they" but said "I" -- what a shock that would be.

Or, she was changing voices inelegantly and quoting some stereotyped politician, without indicating she was doing so -- or maybe she used finger quotes -- saying, in intent, "All politicians are scared to mention the word tax -- you know, 'Canadians are stupid and cannot'..." etc.

She did say the words "I think Canadians are stupid," though without indicating that she was mimicking someone else's tone. Bottom line: it's her gaffe. She should just say "I was ineloquent, that's not what I meant" -- such a statement would be entirely plausible -- rather than having her rep threaten legal action because someone played the clip of what she said.

But leaving all that aside, having listened to the whole Paikin show I do look forward to her participation in the debates. It's possible -- let's hope -- that a number of climate-change Liberals might be impressed, but I can't imagine that as many potential Conservative voters will be as impressed.

Have at Stephane, Lizzie. Split those votes.

Posted by: EBD at September 11, 2008 8:26 PM

The meaning I construed from the leader of the Green Party is that the reason there is no political will for a carbon tax because Canadians are stupid.

That's rather plain, and it sounded like an honestly held opinion. There is not much obfuscation available for such a politically foolish thing to say.

Elizabeth... toast.

Posted by: Shaken at September 11, 2008 8:26 PM

The structure and use of language of the supposed communications director is very unimpressive. I say supposed because it sounds like some one who has not completed high school. If that is in fact the Green's communications man, they are only showing that they are not at all prepared to play in the big leagues.

Posted by: civitatensis at September 11, 2008 8:30 PM

Didn't Empress Kimmy say mush the same thing on a CBC interview just before she called an election way back when. She was tryin to s'plain WHY the Meech Lake Accord hadn't gone through and stated that Canadians were too dumb to know what they were voting for or against so they were happiest with the status quo where they didn't have to know anything in order to arrive at a decision.

Two weeks later she calls an election and is asking all us DUMMIES to vote her back in a PM.

uhhhh


NO.

Posted by: DAVE-Y at September 11, 2008 8:34 PM

fritz - stephen taylor may have created the clip but the clip is a straight copy of a few minutes of the TVO The Agenda. As EBD says, May did say "I think Canadians are stupid"...

Now, it could readily have been a mispoken phrase on her part; that's easy enough to do...but the correct response on her and her so-called Director of Communications ought to have been to clarify her words. Instead, in unintelligible grammar and spelling, the Green Party threatened to sue for slander..posting a clip of her speaking. That is, in itself, a disgraceful act by the Green Party.

Remember, it's May herself speaking. All we want is for her to clarify her meaning. Not to threaten to sue because we heard her say those words.

Posted by: ET at September 11, 2008 8:34 PM

I have slowed down the clip in question (being that I work in the audio field) taken from the podcast itself.

May definitely says "I" and not "they".

Kate, I have emailed the clip to you for you to post on this thread and let others hear for themselves.

Posted by: anon at September 11, 2008 8:42 PM

I have slowed down the clip in question (being that I work in the audio field) taken from the podcast itself.

May definitely says "I" and not "they".

Kate, I have emailed the clip to you for you to post on this thread and let others hear for themselves.

Posted by: anon at September 11, 2008 8:42 PM

... but the clip is a straight copy of a few minutes of the TVO The Agenda. ET......

You know when you rent a DVD and have to skip through the FBI warning .......... in regards to TVO , if it is a copy of their material ....just how miserable can TVO make things for the guy or gal that youtubed it ? And no , it ain't me .... I'm kinda curious tho .


Posted by: Bill D. Cat at September 11, 2008 8:47 PM

I think Mrs. May means

"conservative Canadian are stupid.."
but she drop the word Conservative

becaue normal canadain has not idea what is carbon tax or other liberal talks about is

she refer to tax as who really talk in againt that tax for fule are conservative

she said regard to tax she agree with it and conservative Candaina are so stupid with that because tehy keep bring this issue up and not understand what libraal are talking about

as my english is not perfect but that was my understanding of through her sentences was

PLUS if Muslim are in miniority and not agree with majority of decision maker who are conservatie in Canda
if Muslim say Canadina are stupid we mean in the sentence majority of Canadina because majority is not mean they are smart to do waht ever they like to do as well

Canadian are stupid is not first time said from
Mrs. May for god sake leave this lady alone
she is not sexy hot Sarah Palin with her husnband pat her and old guy money of McCain helped her too leave this woamn alone

search engine " canadian are stupid" you can see so many of that Jim Carry funny film said that
and Qubecua may say that since they are not thing they are Candian
Immigrant to canada they may say that for joke too

take it easy guys if you are smart you should not get offend that plus you say all people are dums assss then once a while you need to open minded and hear the truth
that " Candian are really most of them are stupid"
look what they done to law of Muslim in Canda that pork eater so far

they are sending pork and stop real halal food
then this act proof Candian majority conservative pary are stupid do not they?

Mrs. May is product of Canada and political party in Canda what do you expect immigrant think of you now!!!

then make is quiet and not made so much noise of that she does not mean it even if she mean it not every believe Candain are smart don't they?

give this poor single mother break

plus give woman some kind of self confidence able to talk and not pick point all word agains them she really did not mean it you know that you love only play with her adn she is upset now

proof it? you canadian are smart I love to know

you spend more time in USA parties to Candaina parties you wait USA finsih you only copy cat them easy give me a break leave her alone

Posted by: mos at September 11, 2008 8:48 PM

BDC - It was Stephen Taylor, as noted above several times. Check his site.

Posted by: Tenebris at September 11, 2008 8:55 PM

I did Tenebris . I'm nitpicking, trying to figure some things out beforehand .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at September 11, 2008 9:03 PM

The Green Party of Canada has absolutely no legal grounds to stop you from posting a recording of Elizabeth May's exact words, if that is what they are. In that case, John Bennett threats are a bag of wind.

Robert Michael Teper
Barrister & Solicitor.

Posted by: Michael Teper at September 11, 2008 9:07 PM

Only slightly off topic...gotta say it Kate:
You certainly are gracious with mos-real-foodmedia.
But then you are patient with the rest of us too.

Posted by: bluetech at September 11, 2008 9:07 PM

the green party could put out teeshirts for little girls to wear.

"Canadians are stupid, throw moss at them"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid,_throw_rocks_at_them!

Posted by: cal2 at September 11, 2008 9:09 PM

http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Canada

I am saying even if you type Canadian are stupid you can find so many siad in google

I am joking as you know but

look at your iQ of children in world
they are weak they are working on it but still
they are below most countries

look at sport still Raptor is bring mad in USA sport guys into Canada


I told you already I went to gifted school for my highschool and still nobody belive that is happend they think because they are conservative and we are Muslim we must all be stupid

then give a break to this woman

in politic do the survey most peopel has not idea what is politic are talking about and what is different between all parties are

even if you belong to any group still when you are look Muslim you should look stupid and all cnadin think they are smart while world population are not think Canadian are smart people

if you do not belive me do the worl survey then you trust me

people think Canadian are kind or nice and polite people but nobody belive Candian are smart people too

that is the truth you must work hard to get that respect as smart people

you do not need to be patien with me you must patien the fact and fix yourself

while I agree if Mrs. may like to get point in politic she must has a lawyer to teach her first lesson of when she go to public how she talk

for first time she may say ok if she continue tlak with big mouth they will hit her espcialy she is woman she can kick out easier than men
she must get some way to tlak people like her too

the problems is we have less politicla party tlak in TV and interview to fix them how to tlak properly with regulr public though

Posted by: mos at September 11, 2008 9:20 PM

I called Bennett. He stated that the tape had been doctored and that May never said that.

I would post that to my blog but the damn thing is not accepting posts for some reason.

I am sure Buckets of Grewell is on it ;)

Posted by: Jay Currie at September 11, 2008 9:35 PM

EBD is right, whe did say I and even if she said they, she still believes Canadians are stupid as she said "and I fundamentally agree with that assessment". She is the one who made the original statment that politicians are scared to mention the word tax and thinks that Canadians are stuped. She did not agree with a statement made by another person.

Posted by: cez at September 11, 2008 9:54 PM

I think Bennett would have to provide some proof that the 'tape is doctored'. In his emails to 'stop or I'll fire'...he says nothing.

After all, rabble.ca, a leftist blog, was filled with comments about May saying exactly those words 'Canadians are stupid' - and these comments were made the same day and after, the TVO The Agenda program aired.
So, it is completely false that 'the tape was doctored'. It's a direct audio clip from the show.

Lots of people listening, not to YouTube, but to the TV show, heard her say that.
Therefore, if Bennett is now saying that 'the tape was doctored'...he is slandering someone. Perhaps a lawyer ought to write him.

Posted by: ET at September 11, 2008 10:06 PM

Here's part of what Stephen Taylor says about the tape:

[begin quote]

I’d like to say leave Leftdog alone because I produced that video. You can check it out on my YouTube account here.

According to thetyee.ca, John Bennett told them “It’s an attempt by the Conservatives through a front website to attack the credibility of Elizabeth May… They took what she said, cut it up, then put it back together.”

Unfortunately for Bennett, truth is a defense and the May quote [is] unedited and unspliced. I even provided further context to what she said in my original blog posting.

You can listen to the original show (which was TVO’s The Agenda with Steve Paikin) here:
The Debate: The Long Goodbye to GDP

The quote is at 38:32 - 39:01.

[end quote]

Go to http://www.stephentaylor.ca/ "Leave Leftdog Alone" to access the links.


Posted by: batb at September 11, 2008 10:28 PM

WHEW!!!!
Just got off the phone, from speaking with the the Green director of comunications, at 10:40 EASTERN, yes folks a REAL PERSON answered the phone.
He's quite upset..claims quote edited, or so, but the main reason for my post was the fact that when I called the cell number, there was a real person to answer!

I have to admit I was impressed!!!

It remains to be proven (da proof!!) what the real story is, but I won't be so quick to dial a cell number unless prepared to debate a ..real frickin.. human.

I need somthing to relax me....

Posted by: eastern paul at September 11, 2008 10:46 PM

Wow, Kate. I sort of agree with you.
It was stupid for the Green Party to threaten Leftdog.

Posted by: Saskboy at September 11, 2008 11:02 PM

The clip is manipulated and or fabricated in part. That is one reason why it should be removed.

Posted by: Pat at September 11, 2008 11:04 PM

I sent the following e-mail to Lizzy. Perhaps if others let her know that we, the stupid people, are also voters she may reconsiter her words and her threats;
leader@greenparty.ca;
Thanks for letting us know that. I guess your intellectual superiority allows you to see the world more clearly. But I wonder how that will get us stupid voters to vote for you? Perhaps if you sue anyone who posts your comments on the internet us stupid Canadians will not realize what you said. Please tell your candidates not to come near my property or I will sue them for trespassing. If they are not warned by you I will sue you for not warning them.
Have a nice day.

Posted by: Tim at September 11, 2008 11:06 PM

The Grrrreen party is off its collective rocker.
Yesterday the paranoid dope-flag green wannabe truther harassing DMB, now this jackass.
What a disgrace the communists have become to this country. Thugs and terrorists.
Let me get this straight. Elizabeth May can't stop talking and she expects us to stop hearing? Is that the answer?!


Posted by: wingwalker at September 11, 2008 11:07 PM

I have listened to the tape many times. If it has not been tampered with, there is no doubt as to what May said. "politicians are scared to death to mention the word "tax" and I think that Canadians are stupid, and cannot.... I fundamentally agree with that assessment". Again - if the tape has not been altered - those are the words that came out of May's mouth, assuming that the voice was indeed her's.

Posted by: a different Bob at September 11, 2008 11:11 PM

K Stricker, are you the guy running for the Libertarians in Saskatoon Rosetown Biggar? I just might want a sign...

Posted by: Kevin at September 11, 2008 11:38 PM

I added the video to my blog - don't let the enviro-terrorists push you around.

Posted by: Blair at September 11, 2008 11:49 PM

Got it up on my blog at last....Good for Bennett answering his cell. But he is going to have to come up with a way better answer than 'the tape was doctored/spliced'.

And he needs to grab a clue about the blogosphere - you do not threaten lawsuits unless you really want the material to go viral.

Silly man.

Posted by: Jay Currie at September 11, 2008 11:50 PM

Those that live by their mouths , should expect to suffer the remorse of the stupid quote.
Now she is really in for it. To cry censorship than immediately take up its banner to suite your agenda, smells like a skunk in a cat house.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at September 11, 2008 11:59 PM

Transcript:

All the other politicians are scared to death to mention the word tax and (I or they) think Canadians are stupid and cannot, and I fundimentally agree with that assessment, but most politicians think that if you say we're going to put on a carbon tax, and reduce your income tax, they don't think they can sell it. It's all about votes...

She's screwed either way. If she used the word 'I', that's bad. If she used the word 'they', that's just as bad because she said that she agrees with the assessment right afterwards...

Posted by: Richard Evans at September 12, 2008 12:05 AM

As the MSM said about the Cadman tape many, many times - implying the Conservative leader offered Cadman a bribe: "It doesn't matter if the tape was edited, it still has Harper's voice on it saying what he did."

Posted by: Touche at September 12, 2008 12:07 AM

"K Stricker, are you the guy running for the Libertarians in Saskatoon Rosetown Biggar? I just might want a sign..."

That is me. I may have to get signs made up. I'm focused on the nomination papers at the moment though, this grassroots stuff isn't as easy as it looks =)

Posted by: K Stricker at September 12, 2008 12:30 AM

Did our friend mos and Bennett have the same English teacher?

Posted by: sysk at September 12, 2008 12:39 AM

It happens that Steve Paiken is the moderator of the English debate and has an ad on TV asking for submission of questions.
I am wondering if enough of us sent in a question for Liz asking for clarification of her remark on a previous show of his, would he play the clip and ask her???

Posted by: Barb at September 12, 2008 1:08 AM

K Stricker, I have inlaws in Biggar...I'll see if I can get you some votes.

Posted by: Jay Currie at September 12, 2008 1:37 AM

All of this business is much ado about nothing, and serves only to distract us from what really matters: How are these leadership hopefuls intending to make the lives of Canadians better?

Ask yourselves, who benefits from the distraction? (Hint: Not you.)

Posted by: Ted at September 12, 2008 1:49 AM

Actually, Ted, it isn't much ado about nothing.

If Lizzy Borden, er, May, called Canadians stupid, this obviously shows that she believes herself and her political slant to be superior. But more importantly it shows a lack of respect, in fact disdain for Canadians. The sentence was complete and delivered effortlessly, this implies that that's how she honestly feels.

Certainly not good qualities in a wannabee leader.

But then neither is her habit of walking like a drunk, complete with arms flailing in the air.

Posted by: irwin Daisy at September 12, 2008 8:15 AM

I can see by Leftdog's response that the left have no guts for a scrap to keep their individual freedoms. If the nanny state comes collecting, they roll over and chew off their own testicles and offer them to the aggressor rather than fight for a principle of personal freedom.

Dog and the left are all bark and no fight.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at September 12, 2008 8:36 AM

Clearly she said "I think Canadians are stupid"

Everyone else can interpret and decide for themselves whether she misppoke, did a Fruedian slip, or actually meant what she said.

But the fact of the matter is she said those words.

Her Director of Communications belongs in the Conservative war room for his repsonse.

Posted by: Stephen at September 12, 2008 9:22 AM

Ted is right in that May blowing up bleeds votes from the Green party back to the Libs/dippers where it then becomes harder for the CPC to pull the seat out from under them.

The greater the left vote is split, the greater number of CPC seats we get.

This is why I don't want May in the debates. She has no judgment, doesn't know when to shut up and the irony meter exploded when this brainless twit called everyone else stupid. The debates will wreck her and the green's numbers.

Posted by: Warwick at September 12, 2008 9:54 AM

Ted says :

"All of this business is much ado about nothing, and serves only to distract us from what really matters: How are these leadership hopefuls intending to make the lives of Canadians better?"

Wrong Ted.

The question is which of these politicians are going to get the hell out of our way and out of our pockets so we can make our own lives better.

As for Ldog I hope he finds a pair a tells the Green to go suck a pipe.

Posted by: OMMAG at September 12, 2008 9:54 AM

From: John Bennett
To: leftdog@hushmail.com
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:37:56 -0600

Please be informed that the if the video
Canadians Are Stupid!" - Elizabeth May

is not removed from your site with the hour the Green Party of Canada will seek means to prevent legal proceedings further slander."

I'm sorry as English is not my first lanquage so have some problem understanding what she is trying to say???

Now we must all remember the long list of litigants the Green Party has produced..."Lucy", Martinez, Icke (Space Lizards) and of course Crooks so perhaps in the great debate she can clarify in a different lanquage what she really was trying to say????

Posted by: The LS from SK at September 12, 2008 10:16 AM

Oh my god, listening to that is pure torture.

My sensitive ears detected two possible versions before refusing any more repetitions:

Her brain/mouth data stream overloaded and tried to compress "I think they think" into "Ay think blah blah etc".

She was using "a: they think Canadians are" as a first bullet, to be followed by "b", "c" etc, until they could shut her up. She would continue through the alphabet as time allowed.

Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at September 12, 2008 11:01 AM

Let the "Games" begin.

I believe when Jacko Layton sided up with the leader of the "Harpoon itself" party in trying to keep May out of the debates, Jack's words were published in full. Not a mere snipit.

So an NDP blogger tries to gain back a little steam for the flagging good ship lollipop. Shiver me timbers....

I noticed one commenter alluded to the greenies "right wing" colors.

Welcome to "Slagfest 08". Your new and improved political process.

What I want to know is what are they going to do about Freddie and Fannie and all that insignificant stuff?

Posted by: Hugger at September 12, 2008 11:24 AM

Stephen: "Her Director of Communications belongs in the Conservative war room for his repsonse."

No, he doesn't! He belongs exactly where he is--in the out-in-left-field-whacky-bullying Green Party.

For the discerning, this response of the Green Party to this video is exactly the reason we didn't want to see Eliza May screaming and bullying her way into the leaders' debates. She's a harpie and a grandstander, pure and simple. She's entitled, spoiled, loud, and MEAN.

She has no entitlement to participate in these debates--and I question "the hordes" of Canadians who demanded that she be allowed in. I suspect it was the anti-CPC/PMSH attack dogs in the MSM that concocted the "Canadians want to hear from her" story. I'm one Canadian who patently doesn't want to hear from her. I've heard enough already, and it's only day six of the campaign.

On the other hand, her participation in the debates may be a great gift to PMSH--IF the moderator shuts her up when her clock is ticked out. And now that it appears that she's going to throw her support to the Librano$ on the eve of the election, I have to agree with Stephen Harper when he says that this May/Dion "coalition" is "unfair."

It is unfair--so why is it being allowed? Because poor ol' little Eliza May is a woman? Oh, I forgot. Feminists expect special treatment, not equality at all. She's playing the I Am Woman, I Am Special card.

Well to He** with that.

Posted by: batb at September 12, 2008 11:38 AM

OMMG said: "Wrong Ted. The question is which of these politicians are going to get the hell out of our way and out of our pockets so we can make our own lives better."

Amen to that!!! And that, dear friends, is the difference between liberals and conservatives.

Posted by: Soccermom at September 12, 2008 11:41 AM

Correction to above post: Stephen Harper said what's unfair is HEARING from the May/Dion "coalition." It's essentially like having TWO Liberals participate in the debate.

Posted by: batb at September 12, 2008 11:41 AM

Donny: "Are they Nazis, Walter?"
Walter: "No, Donny, these people are idiots."

Posted by: mojo at September 12, 2008 12:06 PM

http://buckdogpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/09/tvo-confirms-that-may-quote-audio-is.html

TVO says the tape is intact and will not be pursuing legal action.

Posted by: Fernando Minna at September 12, 2008 1:04 PM

This might explain it. From Wiki...

Elizabeth May was born in Connecticut. Her mother was a prominent anti-nuclear activist and one of the original founders of the peace group SANE. May attended the prestigious Miss Porter's School in Farmington, Connecticut.

Posted by: concrete at September 12, 2008 2:10 PM

Who cares what Tin Lizzy spouts? Her tongue is in overdrive or fast forward screech, so much to say, so little time.

She can call Canadian voters stupid but we're not stupid enough to vote for her one issue party masquerading as operating on a full slate and joined at the hip to the Dion Liberals.

What does John Bennett do in real life?

Posted by: Liz J at September 12, 2008 2:13 PM

To be fair to Ms. May, there seems to be no shortage of American left wing root stock that takes sprout in Canadian politics...

Corky Evans (born January 2, 1948, in Berkeley, California, U.S.A.) is a prominent provincial politician in British Columbia, Canada. He twice ran for the leadership of the New Democratic Party of British Columbia, placing second both times. In both cases, the party formed the government of BC and its leader became Premier of British Columbia. He has served in several cabinet ministries.

Miller was born in San Francisco, California. His American father, Joe Miller, died of cancer in 1960, and his English mother Joan returned with her son to Thriplow, south of Cambridge.[1] Miller spent his earliest years in England before moving to Canada with his mother in 1967. He attended Lakefield College School on a scholarship at the time Prince Andrew was a student there.

Naomi Klein was brought up in a Jewish family which has a history of activism, as does that of her husband, Avi Lewis. Her grandfather was fired for labour organizing at Disney in the United States. Her father Michael, a physician, was a Vietnam War resister and a member of Physicians for Social Responsibility.

Sven Robinson was born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, United States, of Danish descent to Edith Jensen and Wayne Robinson.[1] His father opposed the Vietnam War and brought his family to live in Canada.

Posted by: concrete at September 12, 2008 2:23 PM

Miss Sm-Elly May to be interviewed on TVO's The Agenda tonight.

I wonder if Steve Paikin will ask the tough questions?

Posted by: batb at September 12, 2008 3:06 PM

usually you Canadian call black
african canadian

now all those named said above are born in USA
include Mrs. May then we have to call
them
American Candian

that become funny
it is so close that is reason those american candia n love we run the Canda similar like their own home country USA

I think for some change Cnada need to fins

outside of America this year some leader

how about Muslim Canadian from Middle east for PM candidate

I am sure all of you agree with me and clap too

we come to do some changes in Canda as sanator Obama and McCain sid they are bring change in USA

this year election we need some changes in Canda too plus we always copy cat USA


we Muslim Canadian promise never call candaian are so supid even if you act stupid we made you look smart by pretending

ha waht do you think now!

realy forget AMerican Canadian born for this year elction for a while for a short break

Posted by: new at September 12, 2008 7:04 PM

What she said or did not say at this point is irrelevant. The actions of her party with regard to the strong arm tactics should raise the alarm bells to all Canadians that to vote for her party will usher in gag laws not disimmilar to those the Nazi party ushered in in the early thirties to quiet the opposition (people who like me tried to warn the rest of you) and jailed them after much public ridicule and persecution through the courts, later hanged for crimes against the state. Learn of the story of Sophie Scholl, a student who spoke out against the party and paid that debt with her life.

Posted by: Mike at September 13, 2008 1:55 AM

Q: What do Elizabeth May and Heather Mallick have in common?

A: They're both Toronto centric arrogant liberal elitist snobs who adamantly believe that they know everything and you know nothing.

What classy ladies, eh?!

Posted by: Robert W. at September 13, 2008 8:14 AM

while i do think may is an idiot, 60% of canadians vote for one socialist party or another. stupid canadians? could be.

Posted by: old white guy at September 13, 2008 9:38 AM
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