"I'll keep this in mind the next time my family and I spend a day at our local gun club, where we'll go though about 200 rounds of .45 auto; 200 rounds of 9mm; 200 rounds of 40 cal.; and about 500 rounds of .22."

I hope you're handloading (except the .22 of course)!
What, no rifles?

Meanwhile in Calgary, a new deadly weapon emerges:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2008/08/22/toilet-death.html

That's about $260 bucks of ammo and an entire afternoon learning some very important skills. A family of 5 going to a main feature at the theatre after supper out ... and goodies at the theatre, will spend around $125 or more.

I'll take the day at the range any day.

Mayor David Miller said, “I don’t think there’s any defence for sport shooters anymore… It’s a hobby that creates danger to others.”

I call BS. The only "hobby" that creates danger to others is allowing socialists to get away with their faulty,hare-brained ideas of protecting thugs and allowing law-abiding to citizens to suffer.(No insult was meant against hares).Cjunk...TO is worse than a shitpit.At least you can use shit as fertilizer. Oh wait.That's what socialists use for their ideas,shit!!

If I was stealing from people the way Miller & Co. are, I guess I wouldn't want 'em armed either.

Socialists never want an armed populace, they tend to not play nice when they tire of dictatorial and oppressive govts..

Yeah, a pretty stupid move but mayors come and go. I've lived in Western Canada and Toronto, and, all things considered, I'd sooner live in Toronto than some buttf*ck town on the prairies. Nothing personal.

foobert

The solution is to BAN TOILETS.

Of course, in Toronto, city of alley crappers, they wouldn't notice any difference.

foobert

The solution is to BAN TOILETS.

Of course, in Toronto, city of alley crappers, they wouldn't notice any difference.

Woo-hoo! Crime free just like Britain, Oz and Virginia Tech!

This tactic is being tried in other places as - in the yuppie areas of BC for example. This is more insidious than you might imagine, and something they didn't come up with on their own - presently, I'm of the opinion that the RCMP has had a hand in this through the CFOs(RCMP now "directs" regulation under C68), with a lot of prompting by the Liberal troll Chris Bentley..

Works like this: C68 regulates that unless mandated for employment, the only other legitimate use for legally owning a handgun is for target shooting or as part of a collection.

C68 only requires that target shooting be down on an approved range and "under the auspices of" a club or range. Now, "under the auspices of" has a broad meaning largely meaning "with the support and blessing of". The CFOs have decided that the meaning is more narrow - that you must be a member of a club in order to target shoot. The range regulations around this are not supported in C68 - only the narrow interpretation of "under the auspices of" lets them write the regulations the way they have.

Now, the Ont CFO, and likely the others, are busy trying to put in place a range/club requirement to report on the number of times you actually go out to shoot. At some time in the future,they will "regulate" an arbitrary number of times you must show up, or be given the choice to surrender your restricteds or revert them to a "collection". At some point you can expect a collection to be comprised of fully de-activated firearms only.

Now, zeroing in on Toronto - by eliminating the number of available ranges to shoot at, it will become easy for the Ont CFO to start closing down restricted owners who cannot practically get to more distant ranges in order to meet the "frequency" requirement that is coming. These owners will be forced to surrender their right to restricteds simply because they won't be able to use them "under the auspices of" a club or range.

Of course, if none of the handguns you own are registered, none of this applies to you, nor does the range requirement itself.

Has to be a moral in there somewhere...

I don’t think there’s any defence for brain dead politicians anymore. It’s a hobby that creates danger to others.

And I'm sure all those living in the Jane and Finch area will line up to turn in their hobby weapons.

You know, for years I was in favor of gun control. I thought that those people with bumper stickers saying "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" were foolish rubes. I was wrong. It's been clear to me for somewhere between five and ten years that they were absolutely right. Gun control laws take guns out of the hands of those who don't violate many laws, but don't take them out of the hands of those for whom criminality is a way of life. Toronto's city council is dead wrong in its implitic belief that banning guns will make life in Toronto safer. I was wrong too, but I'm a big enough man to admit it. Would that those governing our countries, states, provinces, and municipalities were also big cnough.

I wonder how many people have died on basketball courts,football fields or in hockey games? Mare Miller may have a whole list of 'hobbies' that should be banned.

"Yeah, a pretty stupid move but mayors come and go. I've lived in Western Canada and Toronto, and, all things considered, I'd sooner live in Toronto than some buttf*ck town on the prairies. Nothing personal.

Posted by: christopher rivers at August 24, 2008 12:50 PM "

Well of course you would.Easier to blend in with the other gutless wonder sheeple.Plus welfare is harder to get out West then in the ROC.And by out West,that excludes the Vancouver-Victoria cess pits.OH wait.They dump their shit in the harbour.Cuts down on the need for sewer infrastucture,I guess,freeing up more monies for socialist schemes.

Skip:

Bravo...you're on the right track.

Last year, I got to meet and spend some time with an insider to the whole gun law thing that Alan Rock started. The overall plan is to incrementally get all guns (handguns and long guns) banned in Canada by 2035 - it's a 40 year plan with 1995 being year zero.

Stage one was to get 50% of all handguns banned (that was accomplished with the new barrel length requirements that came in in 1995). Phase two is for all remaining handguns to be banned by 2015.

Long guns are to follow. The much-discussed registry is simply laying the groundwork for the attack on those. After all, Mr. Rock discovered that it was easy to target handguns because of the already-in-place registry on those. Thus, they need one for long guns to ensure that they can get all of them in the future.

But the basic strategy is to, as you touched on, incrementally increase the level of regulation so as to make it too much of a pain in the a-- to bother owning firearms anymore. After one or two generations of it being tougher and tougher, fewer and fewer young people will take up hobbies such as sport shooting or hunting. By 2035, the Libs forecast, gun owners will be such a minority that the final ban will be easy to implement.

I'm not sure how the CPC being in power is affecting the long-term strategy. But, my guess would be "not at all" since they haven't been able to reverse the Liberal laws yet.

It's so sad when the society gets to a point where the people will accept this kind of behaviour: Elites imposing laws on commoners when those elites have no idea about what they are regulating.

And in that day the lion shall lay down with the lamb, they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and turn their shooting ranges into basketball courts.

Thus saith the Mayor.

marte millet and his GUN control BS is not about crime, butt about deflection so as not having to address the real problems, cuz that would be politically incorrect as they would have to address those issues effecting mostly the VISABLE minorities

Perhaps golf course can now be shut to prevent the heart attack and lightning strike deaths. "if it saves one life..."

Funny how socialists will trample rights thousands died to give us for the sake of perhaps saving one life.

Having ensured the city's future as a peaceable kingdom with their "ban" on handguns, David Miller & co. have turned their attention to the next greatest menace to public welfare: PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES!

http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2008/08/21/6521966-sun.html

I call B.S. too. Why are they targeting the legitimate gun culture?

Everyone knows that gun ubiquity emanates from secret, illegal gun factories and not from the "legitimate" culture. Next they will try to convince us that gun lovers are compensating for their small penis/muscles or serving some murderous pathology.

'An armed society is a polite society'.

Look no further than the uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto during WWII to prove the logic of the statement above. The first action of any tyrant wanna bee is to disarm polite (civilized) people so he/she/it can terrorize the same by loosing the criminals and taking away ALL people's rights to 'protect' the crippled citizens.

This is not Rocket science -His blondness is not bright but he does know the 'script'.

If I'm following the mayor's logic that the gun clubs must be shut down because some drunk slob with a registered gun murdered an innocent bystander than what's the corollary action as applied to gang banger homicides? What facility of theirs gets shut down when they murder someone? A neighborhood crack house? What?

Yeah, a pretty stupid move but mayors come and go. I've lived in Western Canada and Toronto, and, all things considered, I'd sooner live in Toronto than some buttf*ck town on the prairies. Nothing personal.

Posted by: christopher rivers at August 24, 2008 12:50 PM

I'd eat dirt before I would even visit Torona, ignorance and crude/rude behavior seems the norm there. Now the prairies that's where decent moral ethical people live, you never hear the people living in the Prairies wailing for more welfare or more government bans. Don't forget Barbra Hall of the SSOHRC use to be the mayor of Torona, they do seem to like voting socialist fascist in office. It must be the cradle to grave welfare and hoe lifestyle.

I'm sure the criminal element will surrender their guns to the Mayor of LollyDoLolly, honestly what a flake.

Amen to that Rose! I agree with you 110%.Even if I won an expense-paid trip to that hole,I would give it away.The less guns,more shade and basketball courts mayor has to be the biggest flake in Canada!

A recent outbreak of a deadly strain of listeria bacteria that caused the deaths of 4 Canadians and made many others sick has been traced to a Maple Leaf foods plant located in the Centre of the Universe, aka Toronto.

Sure, they recalled the foods, shut down the plant to clean it up, apologized, and an investigation is underway, but when will the next deadly outbreak occur?

Mayor Miller, I don’t think there’s any defence for corned beef sandwiches any more!

It's time to ban all luncheon meat production and consumption in Toronto!

NOW!!

Pretty basic move by Miller. Enables them to claim they actually tried to do something about the problem, which as one commenter noted above, is linked to gangs, and therefore a protected issue. It seems that invariably, a good socialist solves problems much like an alcoholic - by indulging in yet more of however they managed to create the problem in the first place.

Nobody’s got any guns in Toronto anyway. This is just another in a long list of sensitive Eurocentric Canadian laws, too nuanced for Americans to understand. An example of some enlightened laws in Canada,

- Having a medium rare cheeseburger in a restaurant
- Calling a nigger a nigger or a honky a honky
- Broadcasting American television
- Broadcasting American Radio
- Owning a liquor store
- Selling beer at a grocery store
- Burning wood logs in a fireplace
- Offering a doctor money for payment of their services
- Opening a book store, newspaper or TV station in Canada if you are an American
- Offering medical services on the open market
- Owning a pistol, stun gun, taser or mace
- Defending your family against an intruder by killing him
- Not registering with Big Brother the .22 rifle in the basement
- Calling anybody a name which may offend them
- Refusing to go to war when Queen Elizabeth II of England says you have to
- Swearing fealty to a foreign monarch (see Queen above) in any legal setting
- Selling your farm crops like wheat on the open market

Those are just a few off the top of my head. Anyone care to add any more?

To me, the prairies are one, huge, well maintained gun club. I usually have a pretty good inventory when I head out to work in the oilpatch. Yesterday, I took the leg off a gopher at 25 meters with a 9mm. Try that sometime, it isn't as easy as you think.

If Bryceman's theory is correct, There'll be a lot of guns lost or stolen in a matter of days. It'll be absolutely impossible for the police to investigate every case, and the system will collapse onto itself. A plastic bag and some grease will keep your little friends safe under the new sod for many years. Time will be on our side in this exercise. When the mobs start to riot in Toronto, as they did in Paris, I wonder if the police will be happy to discover they haven't collected every firearm after all?

dp...I took my friends cigarette from his mouth at twenty feet,first shot,nobody there could believe it,including myself.I was using a pellet rifle and the crazy bastard didn't even use anything to protect his face in case I missed.At least I put a frying pan up to my face,he didn't come close though.

Canadian political dissent take place in two forms,
A- Commie union pinkos striking or
B- Righteous yet misguided Indians closing a road down that passes through the Rez.

Other than that can anyone name a significant instance of Canadian civil disobedience? (Hacking your satellite receiver to circumvent the CRTC doesn’t count!)

I agree with Skip's and bryceman's take on the issue. Remember the Liberal minister who brought us the gun registry and more regulations openly stated that he believed that only the military and police should be allowed guns.

h ryan... Unless you are BSing ( which I hope you are) It is idiotic stunts like yours that give legitimate gun owners a bad reputation . Pull your head out of your a$$ , quit BSing or sell your guns if you are not. You are a fool.

Good for Toronto!
Let them disarm their hapless residents for their own good! This will ensure they drive out all the self-reliant,free thinkers to other parts and attract all the nanny state supporters in.
Then they can tackle the climate problem by mandating their own possession laws mandating the ownership of electric only vehicles and steam powered public transportation and utilities powered by the warm, fuzzy feelings of their own smug satisfaction.
Maybe then they will leave the rest of us alone.

h.ryan-There are some wannabe gangster kids in my town who've been shooting other kids with pellet guns. I guess there've been some fairly serious injuries. Those suckers aren't toys. I totally respect your freedom to do jackass tricks though.

"West,that excludes the Vancouver-Victoria cess pits.OH wait.They dump their shit in the harbour.Cuts down on the need for sewer infrastucture,I guess,freeing up more monies for socialist schemes"

Just a correction-Vancouver TREATS its sewage. Unless of course you are refering to the plethora of junkies that litter the streets.

Horny toad

h.ryan "dp...I took my friends cigarette from his mouth at twenty feet,first shot,nobody there could believe it,including myself.I was using a pellet rifle and the crazy bastard didn't even use anything to protect his face in case I missed."

Sounds like there were at least two "crazy bastard"(s) involved in that stunt, plus the dummy spectators. You guys competing for a Darwin Award?

*
i think it's way past time to get serious about this threat to society.

as long as people have access to sliced sandwich meat... we're
all in jeopardy.

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Skip & bryceman :

Exactly! Said this back when they first introduced a mandatory fire arm certificate in 85 I believe. People thought I was nuts at the time or a fanatic paranoid. Thing is I don't own guns. I do go to ranges though. I agree with both of you except on one issue. If things continue as they are degenerating with the ethical rot driving the culture bus threw the HRC’s & education. Than backed by the State with the political police it becomes an axis of Persecution with social engineering, twisting the populace towards fascism while giving them phony privileges. In the end people will rebel, but how many years will it take, not to mention lives to end the Inquisitions of anarchy by multiculturalism, with its made up protected classes using unjust taxes plus laws to hound the working able? What will be left of this Nation after the socialist locusts have succumbed finally by making the land a desert with not but dust left? I will be surprised (probably dead) if this Country exists on 2035.

The West will go, make there own Republic or America will invade. Do folks honestly think the US will have a cultural Marxist tool above them? Worse an Islamic State?

Now go ban bad feeling’s Mr. Miller, it will have as much effect. While your at it, piss off the sky divers too. People die in that sport don't you know? Plus all the others. What a nincompoop.

Now watch Toronto's gun crime stats go skyward, just like Britain's and Australia's.

Rob c...Give me a break,I did this in my twenties and was young and foolish,but to blame me for negative stereo types,it's you who is the fool,you and aek can go tsk tsk elsewhere.

Magical thinking Moro...er, Mayor Miller: Ban hand guns, and, voila! No more bad guys doing bad things. (In the meantime, good guys doing good things are neutred and disarmed.)

I wish we could vote to shut down moronic mayors and their limp-wristed gun laws.

IMO, I don’t think there’s any defence for limp-wristed Trawna mayors anymore… It’s a "leadership" (sic) role that creates danger to others.

Solzhenitsyn on the atrophy of the spiritual life:

"Mere freedom does not in the least solve all the problems of human life and it even adds some new ones....We have placed too much hope in political and social reforms, only to find out that we were being deprived of our most precious possession: our spiritual life."

dp...thank you for putting it into perspective,a jackass stunt is exactly what it was,the way some react you would think these people never ever did something foolish in their youth,must be nice to be so perfect.

Sorry, Solzhenitsyn comment above on wrong thread.

Rose - Now the prairies that's where decent moral ethical people live, you never hear the people living in the Prairies wailing for more welfare or more government bans.

Jeez, talk about delusional. Doesn't Manitoba have an NDP government? Did not The Greatest Canadian Fascist Tommy Douglas come from Saskatchewan? The prairies have historically been Canada's second biggest welfare queens right after Newfoundland.

No shooting ranges in T.O. means no chance for the Olympics in 2016 and beyond

Torontonians have no understanding or appreciation for the concept of bearing arms. The mindless drones of Toronto don't understand that government is answerable to its citizens. If a government is considered to be tyrannical or not fit to lead by the populace they can be impeached, beaten in an election, etc. - these are the peaceful methods. The purpose of private gun ownership is to solidify the relationship between people and government. If government overextends its control over the populace, the people must by force change the government. Without weapons, without freedom, you are all sheep to a moron socialist sheppard who can do whatever he sees fit with no consequence. In democratic, conservative, libertarian societies (none currently exist) the people are in charge, peacefully with their votes, forcefully through their freedoms to arm themselves.

As far as protecting one's family goes, it is also an old constitutional tenet that one should not solely rely on government in any regard, especially in the protection of real and personal property. Since guns exist (we can't just rid the earth of them David) bad people will have guns. If good people have guns, bad people think twice. If it is a guarantee that the good people by law must not have guns, the bad people are in charge. I certainly will not rely on some moron TPS cop to show up an hour after being called to body bag a corpse in a home invasion.

Canadians say that Americans have more gun crime- this is statistically true. However, gun crime against law abiding citizens is quite low. The high murder rates of places like Detroit, New Orleans, and St. Louis exists primarily in communities that are rife with gangs and drugs(another socialist banishment that is meant to control and sustain the poor population). The gang bangers kill each other in record numbers, but in states where gun control is limited they rarely take a chance on those uninvolved with their dastardly deeds. Would you try to rob a house if there was quite possibly a semi-automatic 12 guage ready to remove your head? I wouldn't. And anyone stupid enough or criminal enough to take on such an action deserves every single little silver ball that gets lodged in their useless brains.

If we had more news stories like "Man foils robbery attempt with personal firearm, suspect deceased" and less headlines like "Still no suspects in Creba slaying" perhaps these scum would be less likely to risk death for a few bucks.

"Gun" is probably the worst word someone can say in Toronto. Through decades of big brother government, big city curruption, and moron leadership, 6 million people in the GTA have been absolutely brainwashed.

Let us all re-evaluate our cities, our provinces, our nation.

Whensthelasttime, there are a few of us Torontonians who haven't been brainwashed. Be careful about tarring and feathering all of us.

I speak out whenever and wherever I can ('great for popularity at parties and public gatherings... ;-) and I tend to agree that most Torontonians have been rendered into a permanent zombie state ...

... which makes me all the more determined to speak out.

h ryan.. Yea I guess Is shouldn't tsk tsk a fool. (Don't want to hurt any feelings) Yea we all did foolish things when we were young. I was raised to have more respect for firearms than to be a fool with one.

One more time, I can't repeat it enough, cops come to homicide scenes only to collect evidence and call the coroner. It's always after the fact. That big hulking creep in your bedroom at 3am or the crack addled rapist hiding near your car in a darkened lot or the Columbine wannabe on your campus, he's your problem and not the cops when he initially makes his move.

I suspect that simpering gutless lefties die more needlessly in Texas. France last year and it continues unabated had 39,000 cars burned - 102 per night - amazing isn't it, private property means nothing there. The cops are useless obviously. I'd love to see that in any American city where our Second Amendment gives us the right to a warning shot fired off of the porch.

The left are whimpering idiots. These are the same people that seek a dialogue with scum of the earth terrorists based on root causes as exculpating.

And, good on Texas, they are passing a right to carry arms on campus bill. The next little Virginia Tech mass murderer won't have the campus to himself for an hour. I doubt that the moronic self-loathing Marxist feminist and her/his ilk will appreciate their good fortune in Texas.

Jeez, talk about delusional. Doesn't Manitoba have an NDP government? Did not The Greatest Canadian Fascist Tommy Douglas come from Saskatchewan? The prairies have historically been Canada's second biggest welfare queens right after Newfoundland.

Posted by: fozzy at August 24, 2008 7:30 PM

I'll speak slowly K? NFL=Hibernia, mass amounts of oil money into the economy unilike the automotive welfare scam. Fords suck, Chevs suck and so do the other Western models at insane pay scale you'd think they could put a vehicle that isn't trash on the road but alas the workers can't. Onto Hebron/NFL snicker how much money does Torona got invested in that project? NONE, they're broke. Now onto Little Church Hill Falls, it sucks to be Quebec, is going strong. As for Manitoba, well yes they are NDP so what so is BC snicker most of the time-hug a tree and vote NDP it's called IMMIGRATION and selling your culture down the tubes for the VOTE. I'd rather be dead than red, unlike Torona who'd rather be on welfare or subsidised by the "Big Goberment" or we shant vote for you. Well Dah a leftard riding threatening the Cons is too funny, BC and Alberta are the big dogs on the porch to funny. Losers, L to the forhead marxists. Torona has no power left-no pun intented, unless you consider welfare/polygamist/Islamist/gangbangers etc. voters powerful LOL it must suck to be a have not province with a taste for fine wine on a beer budget. Get use to it fellas, you are a have not province whilst NS and NFL have snicker OIL. Cheer up you have "Spits-Diversity and Multiculture and gang warfare" you must be so snicker proud.

Remember stop drop and roll in Torona, Miller banned rifle ranges but is comfortable with gang warfare for the transfer payments. Poor nobody Torona, first you lose special status as somebody and then to add insult to injury you become the most vile city to live in because you sold your soul to marxism and socialism.

In the East we call Torona the "Arm pit" of the world for a reason, ya all stink. Well not all Toronians just the leftards.

Rob c ...Too bad your parents didn't raise you not to be a fool with your mouth,or your spelling for that matter.

Kate I'm tired of my responses be censored for moderation yet the left post at will. I won't bother this forum again. I didn't realise that my responses were so offensive they needed to be vetted. It won't happen again.
So sorry, the left can attack but I must be censored. Thanks but no thanks, it's so Steven Harper thou.

A woman of words and not deeds, is like a garden full of weeds.

I guess it's a left and right blog thang, it's not about opinions or issues but really a pupularity contests. Thanks but I'm too old to play which wing of the school I'm allowed to hang out in.

God Bless America, at least I can have an opinion that doesn't cower the right leaning cons and the left leaning liberals and the left leaning NDP. No guts no glory should be Canada's motto. Er hsve neither.

Over and out.

So sorry, Rose. Your comments have been feisty, food for thought, and forthright.

I've been getting caught in the filter a lot lately too.

Rose:

I thought the same as you. Its just her new server acting tempermental. At one point maybe 1 in 3 posts got threw the filter. There are certain words that kick it in as well. If you go back latter you will find the post. Sometimes its says the post could not be published, but it shows up any way. The web has mysteries we yet have to uncover. I bet you deollars to donuts they still have posts of mine at AOL from 96.

Rose >

Same here. I thought a few of mine must have been a little "over the top" and denied, but turns out it's random..........

I used to live in Moronto.

Now the Pakis can have it....

Rose,I too have had problems. I don't think it is a left/right thing but a computer glitch thing. I am a strong conservative,and a few of my postings have not gone through. They were my best ones too.

Another thought,haye/new/isam/retard,is still coming up.

h.ryan: "I did this in my twenties and was young and foolish,but to blame me for negative stereo types,it's you who is the fool,you and aek can go tsk tsk elsewhere."

Young, foolish, and (presumably now) smarter weren't attributes you initially described of yourself when you claimed you shot a pellet gun at a cigarette fixed in your friend's lips.

In retrospect, perhaps you considered it an ethical act to convince your friend to stop smoking...

More good news is that you didn't try to remove the cigarette with a shot gun, which would have certainly qualified you both for a Darwin Award, and possibly a government grant to make a CBC documentary blaming society.

In any case, a funny story and I'm glad you're both still alive and hopefully a bit wiser.

Mayor David Miller said, “I don’t think there’s any defence for sport shooters anymore… It’s a hobby that creates danger to others.”

Like taxpayers paying for clean needles doesn't? Like keeping violent immigrants here doesn't? Like abortion doesn't!

aek...You are right,I should have stated the fact of being young and foolish,an ethical act to convince my friend to quit smoking,good one.

Rose....have no fear. The filter gets us all once or twice. You know computers and their server glitches.
wallyj....new/haye/it/retardo keeps showing up because there is no filter for gibberish yet.Hell.It takes to long to develop one just for the 300 odd known languages.

I had it explained to me that if you have an illegal weapon just make sure its clean including the ammunition. The story goes that if you have to use it you simply say it was his gun and you disarmed him. The second part is to have a very simple well thought out story rehearsed in your mind to give to the police. Even if they suspect they still have to prove and dead men don’t talk.

As far as the actual risk, as defined by insurance underwriters, belonging to a gun club usually has a premium of less than 10 dollars a year.
I find the underwriters opinion much more informed than the mayor of Toronto.

Cjunk, you are a LUCKY MAN. I haven't been to the range since I moved back here to this IDIOT province from the States. Didn't feel like getting pulled over and asked "You haff ze papieren for zis gun?" by the OPP. No doubt they taser you on the spot if they are not in order.

I contrast this with the cops in Arizona. "Niiiice rifle, buddy!"

I used to compete in High Power Rifle class, now I just think about it. I don't even know where you could shoot a High Power match in Ontario outside an army base.

It's too bad the citizen's of Tyranto a.k.a. North Detroit aren't waking up to inevitable losses they are facing with Miller, McGuinty, et al.

Phantom: I feel for you. The only hope is for Ontarian gun owners to organize and set up ranges ... if the red tape and loones will allow it.

The Saskatoon Gun Club is a busy place. When the registry first came out, you couldn't find a handgun in our gunshops, now, they're selling like hotcakes and the range is busy. And best of all, lots of young people, with parents, or young adults, are using the range. Pistols and .22 are very popular. The high Canuck dollar has made ammo affordable and the registration process, at least here, is very quick.

My bought a glock, registered it, got my transport permits, and was shooting it at the range same day.

Love the prairies.

What in the heck does a local gun ordinance have to do with Fords and Chevys, Rose? I beg to differ about the quality of the vehicles. I've been driving them for longer than I care to relate and have suffered a single breakdown which was the result of a dealer installing an electrical device that was designed for a different make and model. While that did result in a humilating breakdown on the Bay Bridge approach during the Sunday afternoon rush, one can't blame GM.

The gun ban really isn't a big deal. Drive over to Detroit. It's my understanding they have pistols laying around on the street.

Ultimately, the difference between the U. S. and Canada is that one is comprised of the successors of true colonials, the other of pioneers. That is a difference as broad as the Amazon. At the end of the day, we could use a little more discipline and patience and you should park outside the lines now and then.

Cam: "I find the underwriters opinion much more informed than the mayor of Toronto."

The understatement of the year! LOL!!!

A potato's opinion, it seems to me, would be more informed than the mayor of Toronto...

"Other than that can anyone name a significant instance of Canadian civil disobedience? (Hacking your satellite receiver to circumvent the CRTC doesn’t count!)"
KPD at August 24, 2008 4:19 PM

Voting down Mulroney's Charlottetown Accord, civil disobedience at it's finest.
(it made Joe Clark cry too so it was a twofer)

Yeah, a pretty stupid move but mayors come and go. I've lived in Western Canada and Toronto, and, all things considered, I'd sooner live in Toronto than some buttf*ck town on the prairies. Nothing personal.

Posted by: christopher rivers at August 24, 2008 12:50 PM

Well Christopher Rivers, we who are proud westerners would like very much to see your sorry retarded butt leaving and heading back to Moronto or wherever you came from. And the sooner the better. Need help packing???? I'm sure we can round up a few volunteers.

and don't let the door slam your butt on the way back......

Good one Oz,

How about all of the Canadian patriots smuggling beer and cigs across the border in the 80's from Alberta to Montana during the beer strikes.

Nothing felt more Canadian and patriotic for me than driving down Highway 22x doing about 80 mph on the gravel through Turner Valley, sucking on an ice cold Miller or Coors, smoking a Camel, and on the lookout for the killjoy Dudley Dorights.

Those were definitely the days.

When legitimate gun-owners have lost all of their rights, they'll have you to thank.

The ant-gun control camp's refusal to participate in democratic discussion, even going so far as to mock the process like we see here, only serves to perpetuate the general public's dislike of guns.