Mybe the SOB should remember who his hero's are,did he think that the Soviets went into Afganistan to co-exist with the Afgans? Those big helicopters and tanks werent there so that they could "just get along".AK47's arent Ipods.He reminds me of his dad that rode around Montreal on a motorcycle and wore a swastica on his helmet.

The wrong son died!
-- Pa Cox

He was in the reserves???

Someone must have a story or two from that time

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"What I want to do is leave it to younger filmmakers to show who the Pashtun are, people we falsely call Taliban, in most cases, and why we really have no reason to tell them how to live their lives, why Afghanistan should be left to its own devices."

Yo Sacha - we did leave Afghanistan to its own devices, and we got 9/11

.

"I just want to smoke gauloise, consume le frommage, spit on les Anglais and masturbate over the thought of marching side by side with Che, Fidel, Stalin, Pol, and Hitler, because we are all unified by one thing: hatred of les Jews and les Americains"

-atheiste quebecoise separatiste

"Because, in fact, they'll be the ones teaching us lessons."

Lesson one: "My son, aid workers make excellent targets. Many of them are women, travelling alone, the whores! They're unarmed, moving slowly and you can kill them without risk! And allah smiles!"

Hey Sacha(good commie name). I have a device for the A'fghans that insist on helping your brother-in-arms(that would be the Taliban). It's called a tactical nuke. Or three.And who said the commie/lieberal party was dead in Canuckistan?

PLEASE deliver us from any more opinions from any of Trudeau's spawns. Who cares what they think? What have they contributed to society besides being Trudeau' sons?
Why do their opinions make headlines? It shows how close all our media has come to low grade, airhead journalism in the fashion of the National Inquirer or worse.

They can't ever be accused of being closet commies, they're shameless friends/admirers of "Papa" Fidel Castro of Cuba for starters. That's their right and if they tend their own business, STFU, and spare us all their puke inducing opinions.

Another elitist gadfly working for the CBC and spending taxpayers money on stupidity. The demise of this nest of Socialist propogandists cannot happen soon enough.

Is there anybody else here who would contribute to a "Send Sacha to Pushtun Tribal Areas with a Smile and a Camera"

I'm so in.

I figure at worst he'd vanish, and he might serve as an object lesson a la Daniel Pearl, and option three the salutary experience might wake him up.

"What I want to do is leave it to younger filmmakers to show who the Pashtun are, people we falsely call Taliban, in most cases, and why we really have no reason to tell them how to live their lives, why Afghanistan should be left to its own devices - Yo Sacha - we did leave Afghanistan to its own devices, and we got 9/11."

Right on Gordon! This kid hasn't a clue. Hey Sacha, Taliban are a small part of the Pashtun tribe, most of them live in Afghanistan, and they certainly weren't interested in leaving Afghanistan "to its own devices."

The militant Whabbist fascist sect of the Taliban represent only 20% of the population of Afghanistan, and could never have gained control of the southern part of the country without the overt support of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and China. Incidentally I believe those were the only countries who recognized the Taliban government, who were probably too busy executing people in a soccer stadium to notice.

So, Sacha, spare us you ignorant views on Afghanistan, which has always been an object of foreign interference and intrigue. Grow up and inform yourself before opening you mouth.

I have no problem with people who oppose our involvment in Afghanistan, provided they work from a factual base, not the romanticism Sacha and others (are you listening, Layton?) extol.

Oh groooaaaan, I am sick, SICK of these Trudeaus.

Look Sacha, just get it over with and move to Cuba pronto.

I just can't get over a Trudeau (or any socialist for that matter) talking about how you can't teach people "lessons" with weapons.

Eventually, any socialist has to use force or the threat of force if they are going to impose their views on any group of people (no matter how big or small - whether for right or wrong)...and they have all done it...including Sacha's daddy.

All of us have things done to us against our will every day - paying taxes that go towards programs that we either don't agree with or are designed to oppress us is a fine example.

If I don't want to pay those taxes, men with guns come to my home. If I resist, I will die.

Socialists think that there's some substantial difference between the use of force and the threat of the use of force. The only difference is the level of resolve of the person (or group) you are attempted to coerce into doing something that they don't want to do.

So I wonder how his brother the candidate feels about these positions...someone should ask.

I wonder how the leader of the Liberals feels about these comments....someone should ask

And if we arent there to tell the Afghans how to live, which I agree with, we are there to ensure that there isnt an oppressive government that tells them how to live, then why would we think to tell tell the "Darfurians" or the government that is fighting the rebels. In fact should we have told the South Africans how to live?

But of course that would mean applying consistency.....Trudeau's kids, proof that the "cult of the artist" truely has Gen Y in its thrall. Why be productive when you can "express yourself".

nobody does moral relativism better than the spoiled rich kid son of a rich kid wannebe Marxixt dad who asked to have Fidel Castro as a pallbearer at his funeral.

At least his mother has an excuse, she's admitted to being an under the influence nutter, but Trudeau's love affair with mass murdering dictators around the world speaks volumes about his utter lack of moral fibre.

Trudeau failed himself, his family and his country by deciding to not fight the greatest moral crime of his generation when Nazism reared its ugly head.

Now his son shows he is just as spineless.

What a waste of air.

The only lessons the taliban can teach us is how to hide under a burqa and how to use women and children as shields,bloody cowards.I just wish one of these lefties would have a little conviction and follow up their absurd statements with some action.Come on Layton or Trudeau,what are you waiting for,get your arses over there and make some peace.Oh yeah,don't bring a hat,you won't be needing it.

Yes, h.ryan I understand he was a volunteer. Once on the ground though, he may have been given more dangerous mission, owing to his experience and training. These guys who go back for for 2nd and 3rd tours are owed a deep debt of gratitude from everyone. I'm not trying to make too fine a point out of this; just wondering.

Why would anyone interview Sacha Trudeau about Afghanistan. Because of his father? First of all, he's not his father (nowhere near the experience); anyway, Pierre Trudeau knew squat about military matters.

"Trudeau knows the Canadian military firsthand, but not through combat. In the mid 1990's he trained as a reserve officer at CFB Gagetown in New Brunswick & joined the Royal Canadian Hussars in Montreal as a second-lieu."
Montreal Gazette

He was a weekend warrier & that makes him an Expert? No its just another Turd speaking & we should listen according to the politicaly correct A**H****!

Another day, another anti-war Liberal retard tells us we must turn and run.

Does anyone really listen to these morons?

As for the "noble" Pashtuns, they are not well regarded in the area, due to certain unsavory habits. It is said that birds fly over the Pashtun region with one wing. The other wing they use to cover their backsides for fear of The Noble Pashtuns.

Be it duly noted, the Pashtun members of the Taliban are getting really good at spotting Canadian troops... and running away really fast.

I expect nothing different from this young man.
That I disagree with him as I did his father is just a fact. What bothers me is that our media would give this mixed up person the time of day.
Lots of folks have goofy ideas and views. Why should this persons be published? Every person should EARN the right to be heard!

Be wary of why he joined the reserves....so that he could claim expertise.

Why the CBC hired him...if his name was not Trudeau he wouldnt be paid by the public, no different than Avi Lewis.

Its a pretty typical argument from his perspective....if only we would leave them alone they would leave us alone, isolationist when it comes to groups that are anti western. Pro intervention when it is a group fighting western interests.

End of the day, there is little common ground with people such as him, I am sure underneath the surface you would find he was sympathetic to 911 truthers and other such nuts.

I can only imagine how much money he is being paid by the CBC to do what he is doing. Thank goodness CBC lost the rights to the Olympics.

OT but still on the topic of vomit... Cherniyuck is posting about Brown Shirts.

Here's my comment to his thread in case (har) he doesn't post it.

"Brown Shirts? Did you just Godwin your own thread?
Or perhaps you mean that Stephane Dion is so frightened that Harper will call an election that he's pre-emptively brought up abortion thinking it was the last week of the election?
In that case, I think you meant to type Brown Shorts."

Sacha was a weekend warrior with the Hussars so he should know first hand what a mess the military was back then.If I remember right the only armor the Hussars had back then were Grizzlys,boats with wheels.We had a saying we used often regarding second loowies,they could tell you the square root of a jar of pickles but not how to open one.

That reminds me; I need to go to Montreal to take a leak.

I PRAY THAT YOU READ THIS! I'm just an ordinary Canadian, White, Bi-Lingual Christian who leans to the right. I'm not fanatical about anything. I do however believe that Canada needs to complete it's mission in Afghanistan, as the Americans need to complete theirs in Iraq.
ON SEVERAL OCCAISIONS I've sent in my views to various newspapers, and on a number of topics related to Canada's involvement in Afghanistan.
FOR EXAMPLE. At the Regina Leader-Post (Online Edition) on a site named "Sound-Off," almost always, my views (on Aghanistan) were not published. Yet some moron who hates Stephen Harper and is against war will be allowed to rave and rant on and on, bashing our PM and the Gov. at every opportunity. The S'toon Star Phoenix is no better. (Check it out for yourself.)
Unsuspecting citizens go on these sights, then tend to believe that all citizens oppose the war. Except those of us of course who know the meaning of FREE SPEECH, and know that Liberal editors blank out our words, and our thoughts. (Thanks for reading this.)
PS: The Billings Gazette has published 99% of my words.

Did his mom admit to being high while she carried him, or just when she raised him?

Mr. Trudeau:

Weapons are not intended to teach people lessons; they are reserved for those who will not learn lessons.

But what if Afghanistan is an unredeemable shithole of a country that will at best end up being less repressive in overt public policy, but in social practice the same craptastic stone age waste of the earth's surface area? Rhetorical question, of course. It will.

Our soldiers aren't there to build a great society. It's not going to happen in an "Islamic Republic". You don't build a castle out of cow patties. They're there to kill Taliban because a Taliban government is not in accord with our country's interests or those of our NATO allies. If as a happy side-effect there is a temporary improvement in social conditions for those normally at risk in an Islamic society, then that's fine. But it isn't the point at all and never was.

So in a way, Papa Pierre's feckless spawn is quasi-correct, but for all the wrong reasons.

Killing them over here or killing them over there,I'll take the latter.

I can think of few thoughts that frighten me more than the notion that a Turdeau will become our prime minister again.

They can finish off the destruction of this country that Papa started.

Trudeau's silly little pontifications are not even worthy of discussion. Why the inane ramblings of a clueless idiot are put out for public consumption indicates the pathetic state of today's media.

Why can't we become a TRUE country,and have a revolution to throw all these sick,demented asshats out? Heck. Myself and kingstonlad with two others could throw every pussy out of TO. A country NEEDS something to back itself up,and the Turdeaus and like sure as hell ain't it!

Occam,

Thanks, that sums it up quite well.

Bear in mind that, every day, the mainstream media is filled with celebrity-promotional fluff. Everything about any pop culture celebrity, no matter how brief their moment of fame or how limited their talent, is of great interest to all 'journalists'. Ever wonder who reads those supermarket tabloids? People with the intellect and sophistication of your average 'journalist', that's who. So don't be so surprised when a Trudeau gets fawned over by the media for every burp or brain fart, it's just a fundamental of their corporate culture. The only part of it all that really horrifies me is when a Trudeau spawn finds a way to pocket a nice big wad of tax dollars.

"Trudeau was speaking from Beijing, where he has been filing cultural reports on China as part of the CBC's Olympic broadcast team."

He works for the CBC. Why am I not surprised? Where else could this useless tool and useful idiot possibly find a job?

"The only part of it all that really horrifies me is when a Trudeau spawn finds a way to pocket a nice big wad of tax dollars.

Posted by: abcd at August 22, 2008 3:03 PM "

Horrifies? Sorry.It should scare the living crap out of you. Think about baby Turdeau and your taxes when you go to work Monday.And don't forget,in typical leftie fashion,he will sit there,say send our troops home,THEN try to buy himself some power with our money when the Islamist fascists come knocking.

Killing them over here or killing them over there,I'll take the latter.

Ditto,

Course some would rather play football with only the defence on the field. That way their team keeps on offence.

Born with a silver spoon in his mouth, thinks the sun shines out his asshole, not a brain in his head.

I have to begin by defending the lad:

1. He is neither a coward and nor an armchair slouch.

2. "Weekend warrior"? Maybe so, but, as far as I know, he did take RESO (Reserve Entry Scheme Officer) training which comprises much of the same training regular armoured officer candidates receive. This experience alone places him far ahead of many others of his ilk - and gives him an edge over not a few of his critics in this blog, I'd wager.

Now, that said, I do wonder what on earth the point is of his film-making in places like Darfur or the Middle East or anywhere else.

If his view is that "we really have no reason to tell them how to live their lives... Afghanistan should be left to its own devices" then surely this is also true of Darfur or any other trouble spot in the world?

So why bother going over there to make films to highlight their plight if he feels it's fundamentally none of our business?

I've posted elsehere on the twerp and his mindless parrotting of the Pashtun "noble savage" delusion. Afghanistan too dangerous for him, but, oh, Darfur, there's a nice safe cause. The fool might as well cut to the chase and emigrate to Venezuela where he can worship at the feet of Chavez.

Wow, and here I thought America had problems.

I remember the Marines coming up to Petawawa for some joint exercises with us mid january,lots of snow.I remember making up teams to compete running the obstacle course,full gear,personal weapons,anti tank weapons,weapons crates,50 and 7.62 caliber machine guns,mortars and ammunition,dummy grenade boxes,ten man tents,ruck sacks fully loaded as we were going out on exercise for three weeks right after the competition.All of this in feet of snow,man did we kick ass,not only did we beat them,we humiliated them.This is not to knock the Marines,it's just to point out how good we were,and we did this to every infantry unit we competed against.We were the best simply because of our pride wearing our maroon beret,our wings and ozons.We were held in esteem by every international force we worked with.It was the Liberals who shut down this great regiment,remember that when considering Trudeau's opinions.

Well Kate, according to the RAWLCO Poll 14% of your viewers lean left.
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I hang left quite naturally, but if I ever lean Left, just put me out of my misery.

JJM, right. If it's none of our business in Afghanistan then it should follow the same line of thought for all trouble spots like Darfur. For some reason the Leftist mind doesn't seem to follow any logic. The Liberal/Left all want to fly to the aid of Darfur while they want to pull out of Afghanistan.

The only reason the Liberals are on side with Afghanistan now is it was under their tenure the troops were shipped there. Chretien on his own, no debate or vote in the House, just his say so. Dictator or Tyrant, take your pick but it was to get out of sending troops to Iraq to fulfill NATO obligations, he was "Da Boss".

Obviously, he's auditioning for Al Jazeera

Creighton heard Kim say bitterly: 'Trust a Brahmin before a snake,
and a snake before an harlot, and an harlot before a Pathan, Mahbub
Ali.'

--Rudyard Kipling, Kim

Too bad young Trudeau isn't going to Afghanistan. I rather enjoy the thought of him surrounded by the perfidious Pathans (now called Pashtuns). Would he survive even one night?

"I don't want to go and sit in the (Canadian Forces) camp in Kandahar and film the Tim Hortons."
[..]
"Networks have shied away from allowing me to go to Afghanistan when I had the chance, and now I don't think I'd want to go - it's too dangerous," Trudeau said.

The condescending coward thinks filming the Tim Horton's on the Kandahar base is too dangerous?!

I'm surprised he took his thumb out of his mouth long enough, to give an interview.

This kid is an utter jerk and came by it quite honestly.

Just because Sacha was a RESO trained officer, doesn't really give him insight into Afghanistan, at least not much more than reporters with zero military experience.

RESO teaches combat arms tactics, fieldcraft and so on. It doesn't teach them international relations or statecraft, or anything else remotely close to analyzing efficacy of our involvement in Afghanistan.

Let's be clear, though; few of us have a great deal of insight into this issue. My point is military experience doesn't qualify him to comment on this matter in any authoritative way - he's giving his opinion like the rest of us are - and I think he's way off.

I do respect the opinions of soldiers who have been on the ground in Afghanistan - they have excellent insights and have actually talked to the Afghan people.

i know a many a weekend warrior that achieved officer rank & i sit with them & have a beer at our branch & at our Sgt's Mess. Are they Experts Hell No & with no disrepect to them but my son-in-law 22yrs RCR knows more about field tactics then the bunch of them put together.
So again as many have now stated How is it that Sacha is an Expert on Aphgan? Gawd the way the article puts it He knows more then Lew for C***** sake.

Vomit alert, alright. I had to swallow hard.

Of course, the Trudeaus live in an alternate universe to the rest of us: no brains necessary, just pots of money in the bank and Papa Castro at the other end of the telephone.

Maybe Sacha could ask himself what kind of Canada we'd be living in if we weren't in Afghanistan. It might be minus the CN Tower and a few thousand Canadians.

But would Sacha care? 'Better to kill Canadians than the Taliban, Monsieur Trudeau? Fred, I'm in on contributing to a "Send Sacha to Pushtun Tribal Areas with a Smile and a Camera." Where do I send my cheque? This guy needs a reality check.

The thing that gets me though is where were all these So Called expert's in the MSM & elswhere when we were in Bosnia, Where we had to tie our hands behind our backs & couldn't do didly sh** because of Politicians. The attrocities that were committed there, J**** my best friend (MWO rtd 2yrs ago) still has problems from that mess(a few of you out there know what i mean)and now we are getting back into a similar mess because certain countries won't pull their weight. Lew calls it right & no one is listening.

Best comment yet, batb,"this guy needs a reality check".

bryanr...it probably pisses off the left to no end that we get to shoot first in this war.

for all those who do not have any idea what war is about. it's real simple. you kill your enemy.

Right, "Lew calls it right and no one is listening".
They may have to, and very soon, start to listen to this very experienced General who knows the score.

The air of urgency is palpable.

He's 34,...,wasn't Margaret hanging around Studio 54 with the Stones around the time he was conceived? That would explain a lot.

Well, take comfort in this - how would you like to be stuck with the Kennedys? There's dozens of them and they're all idiots, but they have the magic name.

"for all those who do not have any idea what war is about. it's real simple. you kill your enemy." .. old white guy

Used to be, but now we bring multitudes of them into our own countries. Saves travel I guess.

Compare pretty boy Trudeau to Patton.

With additions to make it contemporary:

"From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don't give a good Goddamn about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder we push, the more [Taliban] we will kill. The more [Taliban] we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that."

I can't imagine the braying and moaning were our generals to take such a position today ... even they have to dance the dance of "progressive" milquetoast in order to keep their jobs.

"We're going to have to leave the place or there'll be nothing left of us or of whatever we've done, except the blood we've lost there after we leave. So it's better we leave now."

He plagiarized this from Obama. Classic words from callosal losers

old white guy "AMEN"

H.Ryan..i think i observed on that exercise..who was it that got some of the marines believing there were 'snow snakes'?? heh heh..i believe it was a certain unnamed MWO!!??

h.ryan at August 22, 2008 2:54 PM

My attitude exactly.

Kursk...I remember certain stuff,silly stuff,like when the marines showed up for an exercise with all their transport painted white,mid april in Suffield,the snow was gone by mid week and there was still a month of exercise left.And yes,the snow snakes was a good one.These days I have trouble sorting out the big ones,like the rv's,I'm sure it was some winter indoc.

Too bad Canada's media appointed home grown Royal Family hadn't produced a Prince Harry.

"Our aggressive military activities in Afghanistan are foolish and wrong"

No, Sackofsh*t, the Taliban and al-Qaeda activities in Afghanistan and elsewhere are foolish and wrong. We have to stop them. We are entitled to stop them. We're morally right. They're terrorists and gangsters.

"The Pashtun (people) have extremely different values than ours, values we may not agree with in any case, but it's not our business to try and teach them lessons with weapons"

The Nazis had different values too, but it was our business to teach them lessons. The Taliban believe in stoning homosexuals, in keeping their women practically as slaves, in the dark, etc., and other barbarities. Doesn't Sackofsh*t think this should be fought against?

And don't forget this was the same twerp who published an article in the Toronto Star licking the boots of mass murderer Fidel Castro on the occasion of his 80th birthday two years ago.

I wonder if older brother Kim Justin-Il shares the same sentiments as Sack?

JJM

""""""1. He is neither a coward and nor an armchair slouch.""""""

and you deduce this HOW???????????

""""""2. "Weekend warrior"? Maybe so, but, as far as I know, he did take RESO (Reserve Entry Scheme Officer) training which comprises much of the same training regular armoured officer candidates receive. This experience alone places him far ahead of many others of his ilk - and gives him an edge over not a few of his critics in this blog, I'd wager."""""""

the only relevant part of your post here is "I'd wager"

JJM, I know of many people ( TO's mayor Millar comes to mind) who have travelled through "reputable" colleges, yet are ignorant and uneducated ( as the lessons taught were not learned), the same holds true for many who pass through our military training programs

Typical Trudeau, lacks the courgae to say what he really thinks and that is camel jockeys aren't worth Canadian blood.

WOW! Such great feelings towards the Afghans, bravo Canadians! About time yous' spoke of what lies in your hearts, for the Afghan nation.

Taliban and Al Qaeda were all the products of the Western World, Afghanistan NEVER EVER had a "Mullah - Priest" controlled government in its 5000 years of history, thanks to the Western nations for giving us our first "religious" government.

This is not a War Pashtuns wanted, it has been brought to their doorstep by the warmongers, and God as our witness, all those with negative intentions towards Afghanistan will crush to the ground, for Afghanistan is the "Graveyard of Super Powers." Your homo Alexander couldnt do jack shit, neither could the Mongols, then came the British who we gave a good lesson to, and then the Russians, and now the rest of the world allied together in the massacre and ethnic cleansing of the Pashtun Tribal Nation, and they think they will succeed? Hahahahaha...

Someone people just never learn from the past, history repeats it self, and it will once more, in Afghanistan.

God Bless Afghanistan.

WOW! Such great feelings towards the Afghans, bravo Canadians! About time yous' spoke of what lies in your hearts, for the Afghan nation.

Taliban and Al Qaeda were all the products of the Western World, Afghanistan NEVER EVER had a "Mullah - Priest" controlled government in its 5000 years of history, thanks to the Western nations for giving us our first "religious" government.

This is not a War Pashtuns wanted, it has been brought to their doorstep by the warmongers, and God as our witness, all those with negative intentions towards Afghanistan will crush to the ground, for Afghanistan is the "Graveyard of Super Powers." Your homo Alexander couldnt do jack shit, neither could the Mongols, then came the British who we gave a good lesson to, and then the Russians, and now the rest of the world allied together in the massacre and ethnic cleansing of the Pashtun Tribal Nation, and they think they will succeed? Hahahahaha...

Someone people just never learn from the past, history repeats it self, and it will once more, in Afghanistan.

God Bless Afghanistan.

h.ryan: I have considerred, throughout my life, joining the Armed Forces and doing just what you suggested. The afghanistan campaign has been going on during some of my better years, and although I'm getting older, and weak after so many years of knowledge work and being a student--there's still fight in me yet. And I'm not alone. However
1) The Armed Forces does background checks to make sure that you're fit to partake in any overseas campaign. And past association with communists, anarchists, feminists and terrorist organizations would definitely screen me out, possibly many other leftists. I've been told straight up that I'd probably be confined to being nothing more important than a chef, if I could be cleared for that much, assuming I could even get my dissident ass deployed overseas.

While you might (rightly?) see this as a good thing, just keep in mind that it makes it harder for us to fulfil what you just asked for; it makes it harder for hard-left types go and defend the interests of our country and the victims of the taliban(the afghanistan people and others in the region).

2) What assurances do we have that we won't be killed while in the military for our political views, by our peers? The last time I did anything associated with the military I received death threats for doing my job, and not being corrupt. I have little respect for promises of safety (especially for women) in the military. There's too much professionalism, too much violent, powerhappy minds. Which is fine--militaries are violent by their nature and it's fine to not expect any different--Canadian soldiers have been some of the most vicious and feared in the history that they've been around, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But again; if this is the case, then you *can't* also expect lefties to come to your aide on the battlefield, at least not unless things get *really* bad here.
(the US is obviously a lot worse than anything I've seen in Canada, but this story should give you an idea what I'm talking about at least:
http://emeraldcitycomments.blogspot.com/2007/10/us-military-stronghold-for-christian.html )

Hell. Look at "Justthinkin". If he's willing to kill centerist-liberals like Trudeau, what would he be willing to do to people on the honest to god left?

3) How can we know that we aren't going to be ordered to commit warcrimes in Afghanistan? It's not *that* much of a stretch---people on this board and elsewhere support the US doing the same, and the military seems to me operated under the understanding that it's the people here who need to be appeased---not guys like me. But I don't know. I don't know what's going on, how could I? The soldiers are forbidden to report on their doings there, and there's little news coming out of Afghanistan that isn't obviously not propaganda, good or bad. I worry that I would be ordered to go to afghanistan, and find myself on the wrong side; much like one of my soldier peers being forced to watch a bunch of serbs gangrape a peasant girl --- when you're under orders, horrible, horrible things can be made to happen in front of you, and because of you, and unless you're man enough after military brainwashing/training/exhaustion to an extent that most people never deal with in their entire life, to take that one last piece of resolve and put your career, reputation and liberty on the line to disobey an order, well, I wouldn't think it's a good idea to start on that path to begin with.

I'm not sure I'm that strong, anymore. I'm too old, too weak. Personally, I think it's better for the war effort that I stay home, and make sure the economy is running smoothly, and that Canada is still a place worth coming back to, worth defending.

bryceman: I think you bring up a really good point. However, when you're not straw-manning us socialist types to death, how about you address the problems of MAD(where if both sides employ violence to achieve their aims, and if enough nukes are involved, the game's over? At some point nonviolent means *has* to be used), the increasing vulnerability of technically sophisticated countries to violence(25 years ago afghan rebels could throw a bomb in toronto and only kill some people, but only do so much damage. The wrong bomb in the wrong place today would cripple the financial markets, and lead to all sorts of chaos and suffering), and the very idea of intelligence(you know, for everything else, war is expensive, and *if things are already going well* then you're shooting yourself in the foot by employing violence. for a current example georgia works just fine on this one. They are no better off now than they were 4 weeks ago----all the war effort in afghanistan.)

Gordon MacDonald : "we got 9/11"

Which impacts Canada how? It's the US pissing off afghans, and the US who was going to get the retribution. This is Not Our Problem. Well, up until harper/martin/cretien anyway

melwilde: Why are you reading the the article about him, then? No one's forcing you to.

...and this from good-night Irene as she shrills, "all conservative males are perverts"

afghanistan
afghanistan
Regarding Rob Allen's letter (August 22) concerning Afghan negotiations: I'm pleased to set the record straight. Violence in Afghanistan is dramatically escalating with no end in sight. After 7 years of fighting, billions of dollars spent and 94 Canadian lives lost, we must question the course of the war.

I stand with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, the international aid community and military experts who say that there is no military solution in Afghanistan.

Negotiations are far from an easy approach and don't mean accepting violence against women. They are the only way to end the violence, as those involved in the Northern Ireland Peace Process can attest.

POSTED BY: Irene Mathyssen Member of Parliament (NDP) London-Fanshawe, london
POSTED ON: August 22, 2008

http://www.lfpress.com/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?p=20304&x=letters&l_publish_date=&s_publish_date=&s_keywords=&s_topic=&s_letter_type=Letter%20to%20Editor&s_topic=&s_letter_status=Active&s=letters

Ah yes, Irene Mathyssen, another great Leftist mind at work. That's the same dame who peered over the shoulder of a respected conservative MP, James Moore, in the HOC while he had his laptop computer open. She then proceeded to accuse him of viewing porn which turned out to be his girlfriend in a swimsuit and his personal email.

Not to be silent on the accusation, never missing a chance to slag a Conservative, up jumps Liberal Karen Redmond to demand Moore find it within himself to apologize to the House or some such thing. Pretty pathetic since she obviously didn't see the supposed offense herself.

Both silly women had to apologize for the false accusations which wasn't nearly enough. It did however stain them both. We remember their petty gotcha game.

BTW, GYM, I think "lessons taught" in most of the halls of higher learning are learned too well, they're rife with Leftist propaganda and the likes of Toronto Mayor Miller is a prime example.
It could also be some are educated beyond their intelligence. Common sense is not so common.

"...then came the British who we gave a good lesson to..."

Posted by: Afghan at August 23, 2008 1:11 AM

This is the most pernicious lie perpetuated by the MSM and other cadres of the Left. We are constantly told that "The Afghans cannot be defeated," and even congenital imbecile Bill Clinton chimes in with "Alexander the Great died in Afghanistan."* It is not a coincidence that Leftism is ahistorical, since human experience would dispel Leftist illusions.

Here's a primer on Britain's involvement in Afghanistan.

In the First Afghan War (1839-42), the East India Company's forces easily overwhelmed the Afghans, despite invading through the Bolan Pass, lacking muskets with the range of the Afghan jezail and other disadvantages.

Britain's failures were in leadership, diplomacy and intelligence. The war was based on the flawed notion that placing the vicious and inept Shah Shuja on the throne in place of the redoubtable and brutally effective Dost Mohammed Khan was in Britain's interests. Even at that, the principal cause of the uprising against the British was that the Afghan ladies preferred English officers to noisome Pathan warriors.

The Second Afghan War (1878-81) was something of a military miracle for the time. For example, British troops forced the Khyber Pass with the loss of only 16 men. The war ended successfully when British diplomatic echelons made an uncharacteristically correct decision to recognise Abdur Rahman, Dost Mohammed's grandson, as Emir of Afghanistan. Abdur Rahman recognised Britain as the suzerain power and was prohibited from pursuing an independent foreign policy.

In the Third Afghan War (1919-22), Britain destroyed the Afghan royal army within two weeks, to a considerable extent through the use of air power. The balance of the war was spent mopping up tribal lashkars. However, Britain relinquished control of Afghan foreign policy, as it was no longer essential for the defence of India. (This is the "independence" that Afghans celebrated the other day.)

*For the record, he died in Babylon after -- in all probability -- being poisoned by Aristotle.

H. Ryan, go Airborne! My son, a strapping young man who was a marine and fought in Iraq,is now back in Canada and currently in boot camp for the Canadian Armed Forces. His intentions are to join the JTF and fight in Afghanistan. He is a soldier through and through. Why would he do this after being in Iraq from the beginning you may ask? Like many young people, he lives on the internet. He gets so angry when he reads about these cowards setting up roadside bombs, killing civilians for the most part, beheadings on the internet, treating women like shit, all for the religion of peace. This young man is a true warrior and has faced off with idiot Canadians who espouse their ignorant opinions of anti American frenzy, in Calgary of all places! I was at a house party last night, a house full of maritimers. One fellow was going on for about a half an hour on how Americans are war mongers, Bush is a nazi, blah blah blah. I finally couldn't hold my tongue any longer when he spoke of Guantanamo and how these terrorists deserve proper justice through our courts. I said to him that they are NOT Americans, they deserve nothing more then a bullet behind the ear. We are fighting a war where the enemy can do as he pleases, hide behind civilians, no uniforms, any depravity is acceptable. We on the other hand fight by rules, meeting village elders and putting our arms down then getting whacked in the head with an axe, truce flags raised then shooting at troops approaching,roadside bombs, suicide bombers who will use the mentally disabled, men in burqas, heaven forbid you get abducted by these cowardly animals. If you do, your family will have the pleasure of watching a their son/daughter die a horrifically painful death as these bastards cut your head off on the internet and proudly display it like a trophy bass. And yet through all of these obstacles, the Canadian soldier puts fear into these animals. I think that it was Churchill who said give me American technology, a British officer and Canadian soldiers and I'll take over the world. I may be off a tad on that quote, but it's pretty damn close and I entirely agree.
Go airborne/JTF, because they're essentially the same soldier. Kelly my son, you are a hero in my eyes and am so proud of you.

BTW, I was chatting on another blog before I found this site, which is my favorite now. I was telling other readers how I was relieved that my son avoided the stop loss program in the States and was coming back to Canada. One friendly chap asked me what time did he arrive in Canada so he could go and spit on him. Can you believe it! At first I was shocked, then extremely angry, then totally amused by this pathetic weasel. I eventually gathered myself and gave him my son's itinerary. I said you can't miss him. 6'2", 210 pounds and a nasty looking fellow. There you have it, go spit on him and tell me how you faired. That pretty much shut the ass*ole up.
I told my son about this fool and to his credit, he just chuckled. My son is very confident and knows that nobody would actually do that to him, they'd look for someone much smaller.

Shamrock...believe it or not but you would have to stand in line to get to the front line.

multirec: when bush and his cronies can declare american citizens combatants at will, what keeps your son from being sucked up and thrown into guantanamo bay? Other than that he's obviously loyal to the current administration?

Their Justice system. And you just argued that it shouldn't apply to those under such a system. Suggesting that people don't deserve a fair trial is an *extremely* dangerous suggestion. While I'd agree that most of the inmates at guantanamo deserve a bullet behind the ear(to put them out of their misery, mostly), you have no guarantee that good honest americans are not in their ranks, since there is no safeguards against this happening, and people like you are arguing against making sure there is.

themusicgod1, you would really have to show me how many Americans are 'sucked up' in Guantanamo. Otherwise, I chalk that statement right up there with the twin towers was an inside job.
On another note, I think the prison is crap. Shoot all of these depraved cowards, one to the head on the battlefield, end of.
I'd even go as far as quietly (sans media)shove bacon into their dead mouths or something to that effect. Let the rumor spread that these cult freaks are not going to get a 72 year old Virginian, or whatever it is. Let it spread amongst their ranks.
I had a fellow ask me if I hated muslims, I don't. But I did say that this is Canada dammit, conform to Canadian values or get out. Then this fool asked me if I could behead one of these nuts. Of course I couldn't, that would put me in the same barbaric shoes. Could I shoot one in the back of the head after a firefight in the battlefield, without hesitation. It would be like the unpleasant task of wiping dogshit off of my shoe.

themusicgod1....I'm having a hard time making heads or tails from your post.Wanting to join the military and associating with terrorists,huh?

A pox on the entire family!

If I had not canceled my subscription to the National Post already because of Don Martin's opinions,I would have done so immediately after they published Sacha's opinions.

Suggested musical accompaniment:

Frank Zappa - "Idiot Bastard Son"

alexander the great died possibly of malaria or typhoid fever in babylon.

"How can we know that we aren't going to be ordered to commit warcrimes in Afghanistan?"

That statement borders on the moronic. Right, our military is lead by war criminals. Give me a break.

As for "GYM", I think it's fair to assume that someone who would happily travel to dodgy locales in the Middle East, Sudan and Chad to make films is hardly a coward. Flaky perhaps, but not cowardly.

Also, don't waste my time about our military training. I have endured officer phase training in Gagetown myself and have cheerfully inflicted it on others as a course officer.

If Trudeau managed to get through phase training, he had to be at least as good as any of the other officer candidates on his courses.

Neither his courage nor his abilities as a former reserve subaltern are in question here, his daffy politics are.

Hmm looks like my last post got eaten by the spam filters

When I think of Trudeau's welps, I have but one thought:

One down, Two to go.