McCain president? Ohbummer!

Two words to describe the ObaMessiah:

PAINFULLY

STUPID

Well that wraps THAT up!

McCain in 08 !

Wonder is Dijon can cut the mustard? *snicker*

Video now gone. Can anybody describe it?

Hey Obama...Romans 13:4...government is exists to defeat evil!!!
Jeez, I like McCain! True leadership.

John McCain is taking over my job so we can continue to crush those god damn muslims.

I have been baggin' thousands of muslim terrorists a month for the last 5 years.

McCain will keep up that great tradition.

This demonstrates perfectly how jumbled and confusing is the the bullshitter and how simple and straight talking is a truthful man.

How anyone can have a problem deciding who the right man is for the job is beyond me.

The truth needs no crutch. Obama is a political paraplegic.

the video functions fine for me Tim.

the responses seem to differ as much as..
do you want to elect a marriage counsellor that sees all nuance and searches for inoffensive words without a teleprompter?
or do you want a leader, to be the leader?

it's quite a difference.
I hope you're correct.

"Any questions? "

Yeah: whaddayasmokin'? And another question for Republican supporters: where the propaganda at? Light hearted jabs at Obama and the media's infatuation with him isn't going to cut it.

Eleven weeks until election day, McCain has yet to lead in the polls, and the bloggers and pundits who so aggressively defended every SNAFU of GWB for the past 7 years and who attacked Kerry and the other guy so viciously seem astonishingly and anomalously unwilling to attack Obama, a guy whose own autobiography is a goldmine of gotchas. Maybe they really are all crypto-Trotskyites after all.

What a dolt Barrack Husein Obama really is.
Thank GOD we have McCain for the Americans to vote for.

Jeez that lightweight makes jimmy carter look like John Wayne.

Tim in Vermont,

The video is there ... but in a nutshell, it was about evil and how do deal with it.

Obama thinks that evil is created by those trying to do good and he cautions about creating more evil in dealing with evils already created by those trying to do good.

McCain said "Defeat it".

The clip was just over 2 minutes long, the McCain segment started about 1:38 seconds.

Now that's a leader.

btw Ron, I do believe you have an issue with your triple posts.

Cripes, it worked this time. Obama sounded like he had just had his third bong hit and was looking around for Oreos.

Bill Whittle's "OBAMA'S AN IDIOT" statement was ringing in my head while listening to O's weak kneed mealy mouthed blather.

"Just because we think our intentions are good doesn't always mean we're doing good" sounds like a person with the confidence of a knat and the backbone of a squid. Good news for Iran, Russia, Venezuela, N. Korea, etc., etc.

To add further to O's glowing character he either has trouble remembering facts and covers it up by making up stuff or he makes stuff up to cover up facts he remembers only too well.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NGIzMzA4ODViYTk4Yzc4MDgwMjRiMGRkOTY4M2JmY2I=

Either way his character is a couple of legs short on integrity and wisdom. He's not fit enough to be a boyscout let alone POTUS.

HA HA HA You hit the nail on the head Tim.

Simple two word answer...could you imagine a leftist in Canada answering this question without a soul searching 10 minute diatribe alternately switching between denial and blame?

..of our side of course..

Thank God for PM Harper.Dion would likely get back back to you after a dissertation and a measure of evil's carbon footprint.

What did Oprah's Pick Obama the Messiah say? Eh what?

McCain won that one.

It could be the same scenario here with Dion garbling on and Harper giving straight and clear answers. The media in the US, as here, are heavily Liberal biased leaving the Republicans and Conservatives with two tiers of Opposition to deal with.

Just finished reading an article at Powerline about a researcher who made plans to read files about obama's time working with former terrorist Bill Ayers.
The Chicago library said he could seem them, then suddenly said he couldn't because, uh, the library dog ate 'em...they're at the cleaners...you don't have a library card...
It's not only a thin resume, much of it seems unsuitable for public knowledge.

It is a bit of a puzzle that like Kerry, he has been put forward by factions in the Democratic Party who are, how should one phrase this, the people who expect image to overcome reality. The man is obviously a work in progress.

I hope its a landslide for Mcain, & said so a while back. Sure don't like to eat crow much.
Three months to go, think Obama can keep up the act sounding like this?

Sorry folks, you are wrong. Obama will win, it is as simple as that.

American soldiers know it will be Obama as well.

Quote: John McCain is taking over my job so we can continue to crush those god damn muslims.

I have been baggin' thousands of muslim terrorists a month for the last 5 years.

McCain will keep up that great tradition.

Posted by: George W Bush at August 18

Sorry G.W. but Muslims are killing Muslims and anyone else who dareth get in the way of their Unholy Global Caliphate. Blaming Bush for the carnage and slaughter of Muslims isn't the truth, but blaming Muslims for killing their fellow Muslims is the truth.

Nice try though, Obama has been endorsed by every single Muslim Terrorist Organization on this planet so perhaps they'll stop killing each other in the name of a pedophile and turn their bloody lips towards America. I'm sure more "Death to/in America" will make the self loathing hatefilled Dems very berry happy.

What I'd like to know is how Obama ever got a rep for being a great orator. The guy can't get a full sentence out without saying ah about 10 times.

How do you spell 'owned' in this Internet age?

marc in calgary @ 7:07, the Obamessiah is a community organizer, whatever the hell that is, not a marriage counsellor which is a well defined occupation.

Obama was painfully wishy-washy in his answer on this clip, but he did (sort of) make (poorly) a valid point ... sometimes people who set out with the intention of accomplishing good end up with the opposite result. As the age old saying goes ... the road to *&%$ is paved with good intentions. Poorly played "soft lob" question ... no doubt about it.

An interesting thing is occuring and I hope it's just an wonky Internet thing.

All of the Rick Warren clips are being either pulled or are now not working. Not sure if this is a copyright thing, or something else.

If the videos aren`t brought back, we`ll get the transcripts for both parts this post.

"What I'd like to know is how Obama ever got a rep for being a great orator."

He's great when he's got a teleprompter . . real actor, great delivery, measured pace etrc.

Off the teleprompter . . . he's the intellectual brainac that he is.

Reminds me a lot of Prof. Steffi . . . .

Wonder if Barak uses a knife & fork to eat his hotdogs ??

Aaron:

Pwnd !!!!!!!!!!1111111111111eleventy-one111z

Obama won't win. When he was new and fresh, people were impressed by the slick packaging. Now that his newness has worn off, the middle-aged parents and senior citizens will elect the old guy with wrinkles, white hair and a much broader life experience.

Yea, I hate to say it, but Obama's got a point.

Even Osama Bin Laden claimed that his goal was to fight evil. Saying you're going to "defeat evil" doesn't mean shit unless you first define what you consider to be evil, and explain how you intend to fight it.

B.O. Has had a rough couple of weeks and the debate if you can call it that - is accelerating his decline. Rumour has it that he may announce his vp choice this week, if he does that is a strong signal that the dem's internal polling is looking bad ESP. Amoung independents.

Don't count a move to nominate hrc from the floor if bo is trailing McCain at that time. She probabyl still won't win but bo for potus will be ruined.

Some more about McCain that needs to be known...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120951606847454685.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Gord Tulk

I read back in the spring (I think it was back that then) that it is possible that if things look bad at the convention that they (dems) could have someone like big wind Algore nominated, and me thinks that would PO many in both Bilery's and Hussein's camps. It could be an interesting time between now and the nomination:-))))

The Greek,
The link / clip is still working for me, no hesitation in the clip.. er... except for Barry.
I scrolled down and viewed a few clips, they all work for me equally.
I with mac safari 3.1.2

some people reported issues when using windows and explorer 2 weeks past. maybe its stuck again?

"above his pay grade..."

The actual pay grade which would be appropriate would include Barry Hussein asking "ah..um..ahh...would you..unh..like...umm..um..ahh..fries, er...umm...fires with that?"

The transcripts of the entire interview are available at http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/

the question was asked from Obama or McCain :

If Evil exist what we have to do with it?
do you:

ignore
or
neogtioate
or
contain it
or
defet
or also Obma said he will
confront
???
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The real answer is not black or white but also,
It all depends on and relative to position, where and who or waht circustance you facing evil and you have and waht the stand of evil it

I tell you example if you are 6.2 feet and some one with 5.4 to 5.5 feet cme near them they will think that person is 5.4 to 5.5 are short but if you measure height of all most of people 5.4 to 5.5 are average height

if you ask eviel from police is any body do not follow any law is evil need to fight them in harsh way to folow the reules but if you ask chruch minster tehy are not see all eveil is need to fight them

the answer is proportion of who see who as evil as well
people who work in jail are not see all criminal are evil.
when try to do good and your evil freind, family or spouse ask to do illegal just ingonre them and try to be good as possilbe you can

if you go and continue fighting all the world and destroy all your security in some times you need to jsut say enough is enough you are not messia to destroy all the evils and there is change can you made people who act evil to act human in some cased yes you can

You can not change Evil to be angel
and you can not change angel to be Evil

but you may have chance to change evil human to good person or OK person by work on them in direct them with good leader
fighting all the world as wish of BUSH or maccain is remind me all WHITE back groun Eurpean who came to Canada or USA such as English, German or etc... those people love to fight and solution only in anger of WAR those people arenot know other soultion

solution is not always fight evil human you may have option to change evil from F mark to D and D to C to B Marke you can not expect to have too many A mark in behvaiour but you can not expecte war is always is solution

if you faced evil persn with gun in his hand in dark street alone he asks you to give you " give me all your money or I kill you?" and you standing with no body to help you
teh answer is to coopeare wtih him and do not talk or defet it or you will simply may risk to get killed in so many bank rubery police ususaly tell the bank clerk to coopeare with bank ruber and not defet it.

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if you have facing highjacker and ask for give them money or they kill all passenget you better try to negotition with them to save some lives as possible as you can

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If you are passing by some where and you can not stop the crime and you will see next to you some one doing crime for save yoru life this is better to ignore of that criminal to defet him it depend the cicustances plus you are not police know how to defet every criminal in street

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If you have evil boss who keep bullying you and bohter you and put pressure and abuse you or do illegal act bring him to top level and confront him in the time came to protect youself again this is based on circutances

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if you see evil small youth evil in your socityr try to fix them and then contain them in socityr to give them new life not destroy them by all cufrue and wrong bailing or bad criminal systme who stock the youth criminal in Canada for fihsing easy job for police there while it damaget the socitey and made youthg more angry to fix them and keep add to their criminla and keep get bother by system instead we can fix and contain them back to real life as most of them has potential to get fix soon

in final word if the evil is what Holy book was describe yes go and defet it only the finla answer is all depend of situation

the word evil used in so many thing but real eviel is are Kafer, Moshrek and Monfaequ who fighting God's order

"...above my pay grade"

I thought it was "above my gay parade" until I watched the video.

haye your spelling is atrocious, but is this what you mean by Kafer...
Main Entry: Kaf·fir
Variant(s): or Kaf·ir \ˈka-fər\
Function: noun
Etymology: Arabic kāfir infidel
Date: 1778
1archaic : a member of a group of southern African Bantu-speaking peoples
2often not capitalized chiefly South African usually disparaging : a black African

McCain's starting to get momentum, fact is that he's a straight talker and the Warren forum only highlights that.

yes, obama, it is possible to unwittingly be an agent of evil, even when one's intentions are for good; given the question with the options available - mr. mccain's answer was the only answer a presidential candidate could entertain. good on john mccain. a+ for correct answer and speed of response.

the answer was a no-brainer and obama should save "dummies' peril of moral choices 101" for his university lecture series.

"...above my pay grade"

Did he just renounce his candidacy then? Some would say he did.

The question of abortion asked from both Obama and MCCain

the guy said 40 million abortion
oh my god that number is per year or is per month we need to know the unit of thie abortion

40 million is alot of children are dieing for abortion that is sin

this like almost Candaian population or may more

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take program to support mother for 9 month or abesent from job with pay ment
tehn if baby born find teh palce to take care of baby if the woman or faher not like to keep the baby

they can tranfer the babry from one stomack to otehr woman stomac if taht is too smal in size ore early time of pragenacny

or funny they can send them to Canda become
canadain baby abortion and Canada do not need to bring any more immigration to Canada

they bring new born baby and built their mentaly to all be racist who hate mutliculturim

tehn in future like the robat thos baby can grwo here and liste to all order of Canada and recieve order of Canada too

40 million abortion means half those may have illegal relatioship and

few percantage betwwen woman and child life who shouuld alive who should die tah is hard to choice tehy can transger the baby to other body to keep the baby alive

how about woman do all check up to make sure if they are pregnaget

or create new device to put in body of woman and if they wish they can become baby this way it reduce pregrancy unwanted and safe for that woman there some device but not found safe for woman

this number must reduce by have program of education to young for preventaion and moreal right of baby

or simply they can keep them alive and send to world rich countries to save and survive tehm

this is like war with 40 million child are died by hand of those people

some woman after 40 years old or I bleive 35 need check the baby if healthy if baby isnot healthy agian up to how to keep them or kill htem that is kill disable babay again

that is hard

40 million this is really discuting me of human morally are die in North America

how we can expect those 40 million abortion means 40 milion killer or 40milion bad people or at l east 20 million bad people are eixist
do you think those 20 million can call evil then go to war and kill other children in war zone
off course they do

stop these nonsense abortion clinc and not p ay that man order of Canada for priase him tha is not fair to me

Obama has good idea but not able to explain all kind of abortion
and McCain is yes or No answer with not time to explain l ike old men are talking to me has not pateit to explain more detail of his view I think

McCain msut explain and more specific to question people asked him

Obama also should not care of have both bad and good to vote for him he must be talk more frank in opion

Vitro firtilzation can survive too many kid and help family wish to have child to give them child by advance these system as so many love to have kids can borrow from teh one hate to gave birth to them
thos baby from day one is baby still
if you woamn not like to your body get change tehn need to know option to keep the child at least

That really should make it on Tarantos's Great Orators of the Democratic Party feature:

"One man with courage makes a majority."--attributed to Andrew Jackson

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."--Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The buck stops here."--Harry S. Truman

"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."--John F. Kennedy

"Answering that question with specificity is above my pay grade."--Barack Obama

This is looking like a race between Theodore Huxtable and Sherman T Potter.

Obama says defining when a fetus gets human rights is "above his pay grade", in other words, he's too chicken-sh!t to say what he thinks.

But, in the Illinois Senate he spoke against giving medical services to babies born alive who survived failed abortions. In other words, he argued to let the babies die.

"Barack Obama worked to allow a gruesome practice, in which babies born alive after attempted abortions are left to die without medical care, to continue in Illinois."

"Because of a loophole, doctors in Illinois had no legal obligation to treat these babies. Under the law, they were non-persons. Illinois legislators tried to close this loophole with a bill mandating that babies born alive during an abortion would have to be treated just like every other baby born prematurely. The same laws and the same rules of medical ethics would apply to these born, living babies as to any other born, living human being."

"On the federal level a similar bill passed 98-0 garnering a yea vote from pro-abortion stalwart Barbara Boxer. But back in Illinois, Barack Obama had problems with this type of legislation. He spoke on the floor of the Illinois Senate in opposition to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act – in fact, he was the only senator to do so. The following year he spoke against the born alive bill again. As a rabid proponent of legalized abortion, Obama voted against the bill or worked for its defeat on three separate occasions."

If Obama argues to let born-alive babies where abortions weren't successful to die, isn't that the same as saying that any baby who survives a failed abortion has no human rights? How is that position consistent with his flight-from-answer regarding his "pay grade"?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27955

Kelly at 9: 56:

Kafer means the person not belive god

Monafeq means the person has two faces come and say he is good but he has evil heart

Moshrek the person to take partner for god whos is one god exisit

if you are chrstina or Jewish are not called Kafer to you becaue you belive god

Infedal I do not know about this word use among Canadian slang but we never used this word often

if you do not dislike Islam it does not mean we must hate you too we only call you are not beliver of Islam

Mortad means the person who back from Muslim to christinay and he used to Muslim and now he is christian or Jewishc means back ward

teh prounanciation of Kafer
you may wrote it Kafir

but the real word is sound "Kafer: to me.

even if you writ it Kafir

plus who care about your spelling words
you like English language not me necessary

I like my own language or care I never write it with one single mistake

Obama talk more politic but Mccain talk strgith forward but not clear in all the condition sometimes he has not energry to talk
how McCain want to talk with all American when problem arise

I can imagine McCain is too old to answer
if he become presidnet

he only say Yes or NO answer if he go to any meeting

his answer to these question
do you like multiculrism he would answer NO
do you like balck he will say No

do you like war he will say YES
do you like your wife? No
Do you care to talk more and explain more ?
he will say NO
do you increase our tax" he will say Yes
do you like Canadain he will say ; 'off course not'
do you like every year new war he will say 'yes'

haye, can you please go away and come back when you're sober?

Hayehole,Kaffir means someone who doesn't believe in YOUR god,and because of that does not deserve to be treated as a real person... Sorry,but sometimes his idiotic religious blatherings get to me.

Newsflash... Obama remains unencumbered by reality ... explains it in 1:37 minutes!!!!

hey haye.

explain ped ophile. say a prophet that weds a six year old and has s ex with her at nine. I think that would cover the essence.

cal2
every time you are asking this question you get deleted and me to answer you

next this is better to bother 9 to kill
those 40 million in day one of theri life
by name of your religion

are you telling me you care about 6 to 9 years old
when in your country and US doing 40 million abortion of kiling baby befoer born

come on you beter go and fix your baby killer who give tehm order of canada before Muslim treat bad with one 9 year old if you blieve is real is mistreat happend if you belive two wrong can not cancel each other

stop abortion and baby killing before fix Muslim law of marrying all age girl as long the person are ready or like to married

wallyJ you mean the hole you kill your babys unborn or what!! baby killer 40 million illegal sleep with all woman waht the shame!!

haye,

How many kids has Islam put to the sword? Here's a small taste:

http://www.themodernreligion.com/ugly/unholy.html

Some Islamic countries have genocidal shames of their own. Notwithstanding 40 million dead unborn children is unfathomable genocide - plain and simple.

Great comment Cal2! If only MSM would have the guts to tell it that plain.

the idiot sez "stop abortion and baby killing before fix Muslim law of marrying all age girl as long the person are ready or like to married"

If you wish to debate the hierarchy of evil (sic), logically, s@x comes before abortion, so...

...let us first hang all the b*stards that have s@x with nine-year-olds.

Hm. he really has nothing of substance to say when winging it eh? His response was very unsatisfying, you can read those light weight words in a newspaper any day.

Well sometimes good intentions turn out to be bad?
Yeah, So what? If not corrected and allowed to continue then might be considered evil, but maybe that's where he's stuck I guess.

What does that mean in regards to the question?

So what would he do about 'evil' we still don't know, 'cept maybe he'll ban good intentions?

I love that the polls have him ahead, they had the Ketchup king leading as well, if I recall.
Heh.

haye to stop abortion on demand is not only impossible but illegal. There are rights and wrongs in this world, unfortunately we can't right all wrongs. It is a choice made freely. Unlike forced marriage, "muslim law of marrying all age girl as long the person are ready..." I take that to mean as long as she's menstrating then she's ready for marriage. Ready or not here I cum!!

Not to mention the reasons the child is married off to some smelly old man, who is usually too closely related for genetics to be a good thing, but mostly to buy favour, pay debt, or improve social standing of the father/family in the group...never for the individual female child's future, she's merely just a vessel to barter with (conveniently under wraps and control) for this male dominated culture.

Love how our lefties keep themselves ignorant of this.

If the father can't control his daughter ie, like when living in western societies, then we hear of these sporadic but continuing 'honor killings', that again, the left refuse to see it for what it is. To them it's just an aberration of that one person, every time. In every western country now.
But then they are part of the system that blames the victim's cultural differences, ops I mean the criminal's ...

Must have a touch of that 'west to east' thing.

;)

Have been noticing that the hard lined muslim woman are very punitive towards girls and other young women, they are the first ones on the news boards full of suggestions on how to harshly punish our adolescent girls for slightest misbehaviors, but not one word from them on the males who break the laws, harm others and or become wanna be terrorists...very telling, intergenerational Stockholm syndrome maybe?

Rose, I wasn't joking when I said that I was "bagging muslims at a rate of thousands per month".

I was being serious.

I don't like muslims.

You should know what after 8 years of being a great president.

Why would Kate delete my comment?

I am on her side, not the muslims.

Man, I just love it when DemocRats talk. Obama saying America does evil despite good intentions and needs to be humble, that's pure solid gold.

Obama: "Evil? What are you, a Christian nut case? You people are STUPID! Y'all can't tell sh1t from shinola, that's what the problem is with this country. You need to be told what to do by us noble and smart DemocRats."

McCain: "Lets go defeat some f-in' evil!"

Obama: The "belief" that life begins at conception is a "faith" issue. Poppycock!

It is a matter of FACT—which is painstakingly taught to all grade school kids—that the second the sperm and ovum unite, a unique human being is formed, male or female: all the DNA is set for the rest of that human being's life. (Then, unless the mother has a miscarriage or an abortion, what happens for the next nine months is the growth of the human being, from one stage to the next, until the “product of conception” is a baby who’s born—and may become, one or all of, a toddler, a child, a teenager, an adult, a senior citizen, an old person. At some point in this continuum, a human being will die.)

Indeed, all contraception methods contrive to avoid the union of the sperm and the ovum. E.g., Re birth control, what’s the purpose of a condom? The corollary: what happens in those Petri dishes when a couple who can’t conceive naturally want to have a “baby”? (Just what about this does Obama not understand?)

Every cognizant person beyond a certain age actually knows that human life begins at conception—that's when the life of all of us allowed to live began!—but the abortion ideologues choose to fantasize. I have no respect for such self-serving, intellectually dishonest deception.

Life is a continuum. It has a definite end: it’s called death. It has a definite beginning: it’s called conception. Those are hard facts which shouldn’t be too difficult to understand. But, expressed in high sounding, weasel words, Obama says he doesn’t understand. What a dissembler.

"Evil" not Iran, North Korea, China, Russia or Syria.
He's waffling when he confronts just "Evil", as in "pure evil", no qualifier, in an unrealistic hypothetical situation.
What will this navel gazer do when POTUS : does assessing his level of pay against the task before him weigh on all of his decisions?

"Show me the money"

Above his "pay grade" eh... Obama's moral compass is spinning at 10,000 rpm.

just for the record haye.

I stand with McCain.

Im anti abortion, prolife and it starts at conception.

can I state it any clearer?

and I dont like "for prophet" under aged marriages or s ex.

a book about the prophet being basicly a nutter.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Mkm3o_V8IgIC&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=was+mohammed+bipolar&source=web&ots=aW-_fE9i9U&sig=Xx0IkvIekphwFE-uF792JhCSY9s&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA141,M1

This is why Obama will be the next President of the U S A.

McCain was simplistic in his answers, which were heavily peppered with references to Reagan, military and religon. He had powerful stories - I'm still thinking about the gun guard loosening his ropes and later making the sign of the cross in the sand. I respect McCain and was glad that he won the republican nomination. After watching the debate, I'm hoping that he was pandering to his special interests groups.

I found Obama to be very intelligent in his answers. I was inspired - the guy has charisma. Answers to difficult questions are not black & white. Clear winner for me.

What I find interesting is how our prejudices before a debate/presentation influence our assessment of who won. Do debates actually make a difference or just reinforce existing preferences?

ps. I support the Conservatives and Stephen Harper. The policy positions of both Obama and McCain are far to the right of Canada's Conservative Party.

Bls Clr,

You're kidding, right? That's the best he's capable of? Looking at two teleprompters and saying he wants the campaign about issues?

OK, I'll bite. What ARE his issues?

His whole campaign has been framed by the Dems as "we're ready for change" and "the first AA POTUS" and "not another 4 years of Bush". Those aren't issues.

On the things Obama has spoken about, he's changed his position on, like offshore drilling and Iraq.

He's a empty suit. And when McCain wins in a media "shocker" (read the GOP stole yet another election), then the progressives can get back to gleefully expressing that the reason Obama didn't win is because America is a racist country, and not because Obama wasn't fit to lead the nation because he didn't have positions the majority of Americans agreed with.

ps. I support the Conservatives and Stephen Harper. The policy positions of ... Obama ... are far to the right of Canada's Conservative Party.

May we have the next contestant, please?

McCain was simplistic in his answers, which were heavily peppered with references to Reagan, military and religon. He had powerful stories - I'm still thinking about the gun guard loosening his ropes and later making the sign of the cross in the sand. I respect McCain and was glad that he won the republican nomination. After watching the debate, I'm hoping that he was pandering to his special interests groups.

McCain was direct, straightforward, and honest in his answers, which were heavily peppered with references to Reagan, military and religon. He had powerful stories - I'm still thinking about the gun guard loosening his ropes and later making the sign of the cross in the sand. I can endure McCain in consideration of the fact that he won the republican nomination against a weak field. After watching part of the interview, I know that he was addressing a broad American public.

I found Obama to be very intelligent in his answers. I was inspired - the guy has charisma. Answers to difficult questions are not black & white. Clear winner for me.

I found Obama to be very evasive in his answers. I was not surprised - the guy only has charisma which makes it difficult for him to answer questions that are black & white. Clearly holding something back for me.

What I find interesting is how our prejudices before a debate/presentation influence our assessment of who won. Do debates actually make a difference or just reinforce existing preferences?

What I find interesting is how the prejudices of those who will not pay attention to a presentation influence their assessment of who won. Those who do not pay attention will ask: Do debates actually make a difference or just reinforce existing preferences? Those who listen will make an informed decision.

No The Greek surely you jest. What are McCain's issues? That Obama is a celebrity? When it actually comes to the issues, American "Voters Trust Democrats More on Nine out of Ten Key Electoral Issues". Read the chart and weep. No wonder Republicans resort to character assassination and not policy.

"Even Osama Bin Laden claimed that his goal was to fight evil. Saying you're going to "defeat evil" doesn't mean shit unless you first define what you consider to be evil, and explain how you intend to fight it."

R.Reagan defined what evil is quite clearly.

"I found Obama to be very intelligent in his answers"

I agree with Brent W. O was evasive and does not give direct answers. Intelligent or not, the man has shown time and time again an unwillingness to be truthful. It's a clear sign that O has no conviction and will do anything to attain power. Like I said above, he couldn't even pass as a boy scout.

Maybe he will choose fellow power fiend Hillary as his running mate. They might understand each other too well to stay apart.

wrt abortion

This is a difficult issue for me, but in the end I support the individuals right to do what they will with their own bodies. Someone hell bent on baby-murder will accomplish the task regardless of the law.

The issue in my mind is the terminology that we use to dilute the issue. I wish we would be truthful with ourselves and the world and say" We Canadians will pay for, and condone the murder of babies". Is that so hard, why the semantics?

Bls Clr,

I don't know what you mean by character assasination by Republicans. Obama has done all the damage to his own character himself. McCain doesn't need to say anything. This very post, and how Obama answers tough questions, shows you why people are starting to turn away from the him.

Secondly, if American's trust the Dems on all those key issues, why is the presidential race a statistical tie? Why isn't Obama 15 points up on McCain?

The Dems and their proxies were losing their minds after Saddleback. They knew Obama blew it. And they tried to blame Rick Warren for it.

The cult of Obama can't see the truth.

The Greek, the race isn't at a statisical tie. It is the Cult of Republicans that can't see the truth. There are more crayons in the box, then black and white. Obama will be the next President, sorry.

"The issue in my mind is the terminology that we use to dilute the issue. I wish we would be truthful with ourselves and the world and say" We Canadians will pay for, and condone the murder of babies". Is that so hard, why the semantics?"

Because they're not babies, and it's not murder.

What do you suggest we say about our willingness to eat meat? How about: "We Canadians will pay for, and condone, the systematic enslavement and murder of other thinking, feeling, living beings".

See the problem? While the idiots at PETA may not see a problem with framing the argument in that light, any rational person would. Similarly, most rational individuals will have a problem with the way you're trying to frame the issue of abortion.

I understand why you'd like to change the terminology. It makes it much easier to guilt trip people into doing what you want them to do, doesn't it? Unfortunately for you, that's not a good enough reason for us to change the meaning of words which are already clearly defined.

What has Barry the Obamanation ever accomplished?

As a community organizer, the only project he could possibly take any credit for is a filthy, decaying slum.

As the politically-elected editor of the Harvard Law Review, he did not write a single article.

As a University of Chicago law professor, he did not author a single scholarly article.

He refuses to make public the details of the legal work for which he billed at the law firm that represented Tony Rezko.

As an Illinois State Senator, all he did was vote 'present,' and the bills he claims to have passed were given to him by Chicago political fixer Emil Jones.

As a freshman United States Senator, he never even convened a meeting of the Subcommittee he was assigned to Chair.

Obama does not have a single worthwhile accomplishment to put on his resume.

The dutiful son of anti-American leftists, registered as a Muslim by his Indonesian stepfather, the protege of communists and terrorists, the crony of crooks and jihadists, he is unfit for the office of Senator.

And "Dreams from my Father"? Let's see what these dreams are:

"Barack Hussein Obama Sr. challenged Kenya's pro-Western government for being insufficiently socialist. "Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed," Obama Sr. wrote."

Alex: "Because they're not babies, and it's not murder"

From the perspective of someone that had two abortions:

http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/abortion_milaine.htm

Post Abortion Syndrome exists because something terribly wrong is being done. That belief is being deeply expressed by many that have experienced abortion firsthand.

Alex, just for kicks why don't you visit a local lamaze class and take a survey of how many of the pregnant women refer to the offspring growing inside of them as a fetus vs a baby. Further, ask them if someone purposefully forced an abortion on them would they believe that a murder had been committed. I'd wager that Kate would let you report the surprising results here.

If the difference between murder and procedure is simply "being wanted" then we're already living in hell run by selfish hedonists who can't see past the end of their noses. Either we stop lying to ourselves and stop our death culture spiral or we accept the brimstone chains around our necks and walk blindly into our civilization's impending doom.

"No wonder Republicans resort to character assassination and not policy"

ROFL

Man, that's a good one!

Obama doesn't have supporters, he has cult followers and groupies; it's becoming apparent, Bls Clr, that you're one of 'em.

Everything that's going wrong with Barry is of his own doing; from hanging around with avowed America haters such as Jerry Wright, Billy Ayers et al to slandering his own country to a 7-year old. And his own wife, the Angriest Rich Woman in America, isn't helping much, either. These are the people who helped shaped Barry's view of the US: basically at fault with everything, to blame for everything, and in need of radical (socialized) changing.

Typical leftist academic twit; he can't think on his feet (as this video shows), and without the benefit of a teleprompter he sounds like some dyslexic stumblebum.

Do you know what's really going to destroy B. Hussein Obama, Bls Clr? His idiotic stand on energy. He and the leftard dems are actually demonizing the commodity of oil, and it makes about as much sense as shouting their hatred of wheat or beans. While Obama is making idiotic claims that "proper inflation of tires and tune-ups will eliminate the need to drill", McCain is rallying the people (who are really feeling the pinch) behind more drilling.

And oil supply and demand isn't tire-inflation dependent, it's actually dependent on the supply and demand of oil.

But go ahead and keep deluding yourself, especially about the "assassination attacks". Because to a leftard democrat, repeating back Barry's words and actions are "slurs", right?

mhb23
at gm@il d0t calm

I had hear of this, first time I saw it. Simple. Beautiful.

The Ubermessiah may actually out-smart himself. This is a boy who will negotiate with his enemies until they win.

The problem the liberal left has is that they do, fundamentally, believe that all humans are good and well intentioned, and if they don't like you, it's because of something you have done.

Folly, folly, folly.

I had heard of this, first time I saw it. Simple. Beautiful.

The Ubermessiah may actually out-smart himself. This is a boy who will negotiate with his enemies until they win.

The problem the liberal left has is that they do, fundamentally, believe that all humans are good and well intentioned, and if they don't like you, it's because of something you have done.

Folly, folly, folly.

OK, "Above my pay grade" more like above my IQ grade, or my courage grade, or my ..

The Ubermessiah is a typical lefty who has worked his way up through the ranks of interminable political cabal meetings where conformity is the road to success. He has done nothing other than conform.

Bob C @8.38 the difference is between thinking on your feet, which requires intellectual agility, and delivering a tele-prompted speech, which merely demands a baritone voice.

It has been widely recognised for centuries that a baritone voice is the best voice for public speaking.

Haye @9.40 "it all depends" is just the problem the moral relativists have, even with murder, rape and any other horrendous thing.

Yes, we can all see, or try to understabnd, how bad things could happen to us adn we do bad things. But the attempt at empathy does not exonerate. Most poor people do not steal. Thieves, whether rich or poor, steal.

"Most people do not steal", true, but unfortunately most people also have no qualms about getting favours through government, i.e., taxpayers' cash, and that is the moral problem of our age.

"From the perspective of someone that had two abortions"

Having abortions doesn't make you an expert on the English language, nor does it make you a doctor. We're not discussing subjective opinions here, we're discussing objective facts.

"Alex, just for kicks why don't you visit a local lamaze class and take a survey of how many of the pregnant women refer to the offspring growing inside of them as a fetus vs a baby."

Gee, you mean that pregnant women can be irrational? NO WAY! Why ... that's absurd. Everyone knows that as soon as a woman becomes pregnant, that rush of hormones makes her s hundred times more reasonable than the average person! I'm going to have to do some more research into this ....

"Either we stop lying to ourselves and stop our death culture spiral or we accept the brimstone chains around our necks and walk blindly into our civilization's impending doom."

Wow, Marty. Shouldn't you be wearing a sandwich-board, screaming into a megaphone?

No, the world isn't going to end just because we've given our women-folk the right to chose what they want to do with their bodies. And no, we're not going to let you control the lives of others based on your personal feelings and whims. Sorry.

mhb,

"He and the leftard dems are actually demonizing the commodity of oil"

Strange, wasn't it President Bush who claimed that America needed to break it's "addiction" to oil? Now that is demonizing the commodity of oil. Bush made it sound like Americans are hooked on crack.

BTW mhb, ROTL??? Leftard??? Are you a 10 year old girl or boy?

Bls, penetrating Bush observation; I guessed you were away when Bush pushed for drilling in ANWR. Are you normally this obtuse, or do you have to practice it?

B. Hussein Obama: "We can't drill our way out of this"... but apparently you can inflate your way out of it. You figure it out, Einstein. But energy prices will sink the Good Ship Barry, guaranteed.

By the way, see any hope of Obama's "alternate" or "renewable" energies that'll power your car in the next 10 years? Wind? Solar, perhaps? Or do you expect to be using gasoline for the forseeable future?

Oil = Freedom = Prosperity

Government-mandated "alternatives" = Economic Suicide = Law of Unintended Consequences (ie, drastically-increased food prices due to ethanol scam).

Next time, turn on your brain before your pc

mhb

Geirge W. Bush 9:45 am Aug 19

This name of George W. Bush more than I do not like him make me laugh I do not know why! may be his face is so funny to me or so stupid to me I always think some one like George W. Bush sr. father of jr. made his lecture a day before for his son and he just member it and say it next day that is not really his lecture I am sure his score his intellegent msut below average

he doest not like Muslim because he does not know their culture and he is racist to know their culture and not welcome bush is too American not knowing what he is tlaking about
Muslim are not see him serious and not count on his direction but Muslim used him to help them in some area as know how he can get fool most of job he did benefit Muslim but he does nto know how Muslim usinng his stupidity politic

Ii do not hate Bush I am sorry for him he is not smart to know what he is doing he is only spoksmen for other group here and he is joke to me.

when cow eat some thing after awhile bring it back and eat it again when I see George Bush lecture I think he tlak like eating cow to me only repeating few words with not honestly of what he said

I bleive most job done is his father and Dick Cheny his german blood mix with English blood

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I think the biggest problmes in president of UNited state are not honest people and lie so much to themselve their culture made them nobody in most countires not like American citizen so much while I bleive American citizen are fine but the political party in USA are not good or honest andnot nurish in right direttion and opearete with special group
behind of politic of USA hteir strange screy army of USA are seating with white bully Eurpean culture wiht using colur people to work for them like salvery

like USA has too many probmea nd ather fix their owne problems put their feet in some one else shoes and try to blame other and change direction nobody notice they are the one started it or hey ahve more nuclear than other countreis
they are not honest but also bully and lie to control people and if htey can not control them they wil statt the war to destroy them
they want p owre and money and the rest is nonsnese to me

Muslim listen to US if they fix and not do what they ask Muslim to do and do not first

the funny one commenter said that McCain do nto need to explain or talk the detail one of above commentar said that is good I talked once with Chinesse told me we chinese are not talk so much not get hungry and spend energry McCain must talk but if he talk he use energy and I bleive he has not energy left for him to talk simple as it is.

Obama I bleive become presidne of USA ,but still no see so much honesty in black American too much they are good actoer to be real mean of what they say it. but we will see!

regard to aborstion you may say we are disagree with abortion but you send your woman naked in outside and let them in victim of become illegaly prugent therefore I do not accpet any more comment from you in regard Isalm because
look what you did you are humulite your woman by eh way they are dressing and going in beacher naked and then you let so many men sleep with them and not marry them or pay hteir cost and you let later kill their babay and
are you telling me you never see artical of old men with young teenger and all young teenger of traficting young girl from east eurpen tranfer to AMerican and they are in porn movies and going with too many old men this is really destroy womanhood and destroy them
when woman reach a age able to adult and have child teh body of taht gilr is ready to have going sex or marriege but in recent years saying the mind is not ready while their body is ready to reproduct and gave teh birth therefore in now aday age is importahn while I saw so many 20 gilr or boy act immature an I saw 14 years people but very smart I do not belive really your society even if you do not like abortion rally mean it since you are give registraion of business for porn to teenger in internet and in real life and your police not stop them by law.

made the choice if a girl that her body is ready to have birth to child have sex with one man is better than to let she grwo and selpp with too manymen by she get older

do not made the fun of Muslim while you do all wrong by your freedom and law get permitted

I saw Celin Dion joke she once said
" I want to intrdocue my father ... i am sorry I mean my husband.." every body laught her husband has age of her father but they tehy care

maturity in not in age but in the brain and body similtanously and how smart you act in crisis

I do not belive you say you are 19 then you free to go everywhere and drink alchold who made this age when the person is not mature enought to do
so.

I still can not blieve of hearing 40 million are dieing every year by abortion and Canada give order of canada to one those baby killer
how could you ? talk Muslim while you can not fix your own society
Muslim never listen to advice of nonMuslim
when number of rape in north americna is more than thier Muslim contureis nubmer of porn among teenger is more than them number of abortion and baby killer of 40 million oare more than them and number of let them woman under freedom to show theri body to all otehr men and not pay them or support their child in most cases
this is destroying woman not help them stand in thier feet

when body of woman ready to produce teh baby is ready to do sex but mentaly they are ready not necessary is age but also maturity of their brain and act more smart is important here
I do not know why prophet mohamde marry the woman too older than him first with 20 years oler than prophet mOhamd then at last he maried the girl with too younger than him and why he choose more than one wife and
some part of Muslim belive short marrige too still we are not know all the answe but we know he was prophet and know more than us and he was smart to know what he is doing in real life

Seriously, man, you gotta sober up before commenting ...

Abortion subject:

let me think you are saying Muslim should not marry the girl who is young

let we review for a second non Muslim society

first under freedom you let your woman to walk half naked or naked in some area and do all the thing

second under freedom you let your daughter in age of 18 go and have sleep with too many woman becuse her age is time of maturity as age ring the bell measn go and free to do anything you want and slepep with as much you like to do

third you let them to do abortion of 40 million baby killed per year

fourth you let some under human traficing in east Eurpper bring so many teenger in USA and entered them with OLD mEN doing porn movie and your governmetn give tehm freedom to licnee their job for some prosstuuuitution
then you give medal of gold with order of canada to baby killer in Canada to do and kill more not save those inncent child

you have so many example of girl marry agae liek her father look at your Celin Dion
' she is said one I introduce my father ... I am sorry I mean my husband...!!" for joke made for her are you telling me you donot have old men marry young woman come on do not lies

look number of old men in pornnns with youth and teenger tah is real discusing I am asking thos girl never has mother or father to stop them or police to stop them I am reasly sorry for woman grow in hand of those evile peopel they destoy the society and cause increase gay and lesbian in socity and aid and hrv and other decisices..
now then you will rape them if one day she siad NO to you as you see number of rape in North Americn
and when girl get mature she must leave yoru home and go any work to made money and no problems if some one tough her too

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now you nonMuslim teaching Muslim who abuse all your woman and not give a dime respect for your woman body and their mind and their feeling to now lecture Muslim we are bad bahave Muslim woman
come one give me a break you can not do that

I never get advice from any of you
because you are in insane doing above said and not know how to take care of your woman

finaly if woman body ready to gave teh birth
who can stop her to not have seeex for her age is not enought to have relatiship while her body is ready but her mind is not ready
I may agree with you in youth marrige but
but I aslo I ma not agree with your age time to let free teh your daughter sine bell is ring and now time to go anywher and any place to sleep

maturity is not link with age but link with expericne and smart and how the person grow and where it grow why not let one girl go with one man with out in contact of too may men your socity is correpcte teh woman and those corrptedwoamn bring corrpted son and daughter to socitye I am sorry you must get change yourslef before ask Chagne Muslim to listen to you first
thank you ALex for your comment I will my age not allow me know your sin in the city yet sorry for you

Alex: "discussing objective facts"

Your objective fact tank's on empty. Care to fill'er up so you can quote some for the studio audience? Did you even bother to read Milaine's testimony? Maybe the poem at the end was too schmaltzy for a leftwing english language "sophisticate" to waste time comprehending or worse...empathising. Obviously you considered the person has no serious standing, which given her experiences shows more than a little ignorance and a lot of arrogance.

Congratulations - that makes you just like all the other leftnuts that are incapable of putting together reasoned fact based arguments. It's not surprising when you're trying to defend the indefensible. That just leaves the attacks with ignorant sarcasm, unsupported statements and threatening decrees.

The ironic presumptiousness of "we're not going to let you control the lives of others" is breathtaking. From where I stand the "we" you refer to has already worked to permanently and violently control 40 million other american lives and counting since R vs W. Such trivial statistics must mean little to you when measured against the right to be irresponsible.

I'd be really surprised if you have kids or spent any time caring for them - you're too selfish to parent. On the other hand, I've been blessed with a gorgeous child which in your world of drive thru abortions probably would not exist. Our child was abandoned but through the miracle of adoption a new family was created. There is no one more important in my life and she will have my heart until my last breath. This life that you so would so willingly and cheaply dispose turned out to be a person too. A person that is loved and wanted.

Remembering the moment when I first held my daughter, I understand Milaine's words "Life is the Only Choice". All you see is lifestyle interference. I pity you - your tank is empty.

What the hell are you babbling about now? And did you REALLY just call me "leftwing"?

Seek help.

"Alex, just for kicks why don't you visit a local lamaze class and take a survey of how many of the pregnant women refer to the offspring growing inside of them as a fetus vs a baby."

'Gee, you mean that pregnant women can be irrational? NO WAY! Why ... that's absurd." - alex

No rational person would have written the above sentence. Any pregnant woman who doesn't agree with your unproven and dehumanizing description of her child is irrational. The worst kind of bottom-feeding leftard couldn't have said it better.

And, as for you haye:

Sunan Nas’ai, Book of Marriage, 3256: Sunan 5e “The Apostle of Allah (,) peace be upon him (,) married me when I was six and had intercourse with me when I was nine and I was playing with dolls.”

There's plenty more that your scumbag 'prophet' did as well - like marrying his son's wife for example. Not to mention the mass-murdering and wanton mass-rape of non-Muslims.

This is your prophet and the one you are commanded to emulate. Do not lecture non-Muslims on morality. Yours is the most immoral and despicable ideology ever preached on this earth.

Alex's post @ 9:38 p.m. sounds like he's reading from a Planned Parenthood brochure: pretty shallow and hypocritical thinking there.

He writes to Martin B., "No, the world isn't going to end just because we've given our women-folk the right to chose what they want to do with their bodies [sic]. And no, we're not going to let you control the lives of others based on your personal feelings and whims [sic]. Sorry."

Every abortion kills another "body"—it may be a male one—not the woman's. This is a FACT, not a personal feeling or a whim. So obviously Alex is fully in favour of women “control[ling] the lives of others [their dead children] based on [their] personal feelings and whims”. I note a double standard here.

Speaking of controlling lives, it's the pro-abortionists—no one objects to a woman choosing to keep her baby—who are doing that quite nicely: every abortion, of over 100 000 per year in this country, is paid for by the Canadian taxpayer (making the Morgentalers among us fabulously wealthy), and the MSM and other interested parties have distorted and misreported this issue for decades. Alex is obviously an uninformed and self-righteous victim of their propaganda.

And just whose interests are being served by the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario’s recent, underhanded attempt to force physicians to participate in procedures which are against their conscience? That’s pure thuggery and benefits the freedoms—that’s what you’re talking here, Alex—of which group? Psst . . . it’s not the pro-lifers.

To enhance your credibility, I suggest, Alex, that, when building an argument, you try to avoid both factual errors and double standards.

Bls Clr calls Republicans a Cult and then gets upset at the word Leftard...
And since he's so fond of polls and projections, how does he like the latest one that puts McCain 5 points ahead and at 274?

Barry is a turd. A Lefturd.

Martin B., God bless you and your family. Yes, every child IS wanted.

Thanks Lookout for the great words. There's a growing group of vibrant individuals in my life that very easily could have ended up as abortion statistics. I'm grateful that their mother's carried them into lives that have become filled with opportunities and future accomplishment.

The 40 million abortion number since R vs W is heartbreaking, even more so when you see examples of what they might have become through those that were not aborted in similar circumstances. A child should never require being wanted during pregnancy to live...

Posted by: lookout at August 20, 2008 9:00 AM

You know, using the cautionary "[sic]" makes you look fairly pedantic even at the best of times. Using it on words which aren't even misspelled, though, makes you look like a fool.

As to the rest of your comment ... well, let's be fair - you're not a complete moron, but you are completely ignorant. Which is nothing new. I've seen some fairly intelligent people claim that it's a "fact" that the earth is 6,000 years old. Stupidity isn't a requirement for holding ignorant beliefs .... but it sure does help.

For the last time, the words "baby" and "murder" have clear definitions. As long as you continue to misuse them, don't expect anyone to treat you in a reasonable fashion. As long as you continue to act on emotion instead of reason, don't expect to influence anyone.

Irwin:

"Any pregnant woman who doesn't agree with your unproven and dehumanizing description of her child is irrational."

Referring to a bundle of cells as a "baby" or a "child" is irrational no matter who does it. Women, due to their increased hormonal levels, tend to be more susceptible to irrational thoughts and actions; however, as this thread continues to show, they're certainly not the only ones.

"The worst kind of bottom-feeding leftard couldn't have said it better."

Only an idiot would dismiss half of his fellow citizens by classifying them as "leftards" and ignoring their arguments. Why bother to have discussions if you're going to dismiss every argument which disagrees with you, not on it's merits, but on what you perceive to be the political association of the person making the argument? You may as well just lock yourself in your basement, and be a quorum of one.

Alex, your response to me is utter poppycock and further reduces the value of your already quite thoroughly discredited opinion here.

Find out what the uses of "sic" are: if you think it's just for spelling errors, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. (You also might try to find out why one uses square brackets: there is a reason.)

Don't put words in people's mouths: I didn't use either "baby" or "murder" in my post. How about answering what I actually did say? (The fact that you haven’t suggests that you aren’t able to as you certainly have a lot to say otherwise.)

No amount of puffery on your part will change the truth. E.g., Abortion kills a living human being at an early stage of that male or female's development. Or, from the Canadian Oxford Dictionary: “abortion: the expulsion of a fetus [“the unborn offspring of a mammal”: we humans call that a child] from the womb before it is able to survive independently”.

Your ad hominems—look it up—are a discredit to you and simply demonstrate your own deficits.

And, on top of everything else, you're sexist: "Women, due to their increased hormonal levels, tend to be more susceptible [than men] to irrational thoughts and actions" is a preposterous thing to say.

I’ve said things as simply as I can, hoping you might be able to process the meaning. Good luck.

And, do us a favour, Alex? Take a hike.

Alex, post the clear "baby" and "murder" definitions you've been vaguely referring to. Also give the sources for each.

Since you're the leftwingnut "discussing objective facts" guy and have yet to provide one single shred of fact, put up or shut up.

"Since you're the leftwingnut "

No, I'm not. It's not my fault that you consider anyone to the left of Osama Bin Laden to be a "leftwingnut". Both of you are more than welcome to keep your heads planted firmly up your asses - I have no intention of continuing this discussion.

I saw antoehr news in USA high schoole that 15 years boy was wiht his teacher had relatioship
WOOOOO

" haye to stop abortion on demand is not only impossible but illegal. There are rights and wrongs in this world, unfortunately we can't right all wrongs. It is a choice made freely. Unlike forced marriage, "muslim law of marrying all age girl as long the person are ready..." I take that to mean as long as she's menstrating then she's ready for marriage. Ready or not here I cum!! Posted by: kelly at August 19, 2008 12:33 AM
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now the thoery of body

if body of girl and boys reach teh time

we saw example of 15 years boy and young girl as soon as both able to gave teh birth to new born baby

Now if body ready the mind is not ready
then you made time and age to made it happend

in some brach of Isalm put temporary marriage to two person are stay together for sometimes to redcuce adultry unwanted

again maturity is not measure by age but also measure by how brain devlope and take responsiblity

but some saw that in temporaty marriage that two marry or you may girl boy frined

but in fact you opne this favor to too many boy freind and girle freind that not accpatabed by Isalm

all thos scandle in high school seen was proof
some boy may get mature faster than otehrs
and some teacher knwo taht and get advatage of that innocent boy here
you need to fine solution to talk to teenger not give them freedom by open bel rign the time is on now let do anything they want

why you are fight over left or right I believe is ridiculs peopel must think in fairness and justicean real mterial facts not by too much extremist or too much let it go easy

Alex: "I have no intention of continuing this discussion."

You mean you have no ability to continue a discussion. The insults you hiss out make your opinion meaningless. Like I said before - your tank is empty.

As for expressing that you're a leftwingnut, I call'em as I see 'em. You support a terrible and murderous practice that absolves people of taking moral responsibility for their actions. A practice that has been taxpayer funded into a social institution where individuals are turned into statistics at the flick of a vaccuum cleaner switch. Nobody respects a phony so please stop pretending to be something you're not. Heck there's not much I've seen in your comments that puts you right of the Chinese. You make a great Obama lov'n democrat.

If you ever trip over one of those elusive "objective facts" you loosely talk about, feel free to share. It might give some oil to your snake act. God can work a miracle even in the most hopelessly ignorant people.