Gee, maybe they should tell Heritage Canada to go pound salt?

Seems a reasonable solution, eh?

I was going to write that "governmental funding of magazines would never be tolerated here in America". Then, I thought of our own "Endowment for the Arts" and I wasn't so sure. Having seen the stranglehold gained in Canada by lifestyles and political agendas that I personally find toxic, I am more convinced than ever that government should play no role in disseminating political or cultural ideas. America's much revered separation of church and state should be extended to all cultural discourse. Organizations or "artists" that cannot pay their own way should be allowed to die.

No funding for culture.

Problem solved.

Better to step up on a soapbox in the town square or wear animal skins and be a voice crying out in the wilderness than go cap in hand to big brother for money.

No funding.

When there is rioting in the streets, I fear there will be to make the BS stop, I hope they are happy.

This case puts in pretty stark relief what's been going on in Canada for decades now: decadence is enouraged, championed, and funded while healthy, caring, and life-giving values--especially as espoused by Christians--are put under the microscope, "monitored," and persecuted.

What kind of world are we living in?

Thanks for this post, Kate, because a huge part of the problem is that most Canadians--and Christians among them--haven't got a clue that this kind of thing is going on, partly because they never read the government-funded smut.

In the universe of most Canadians, where children are considered a precious gift and it is considered incumbent upon parents to love, nurture, and protect their children, it just isn't part of their daily or weekly routines to check out where their hard-earned tax dollars are actually going.

Thank God for the blogosphere which is shining a very bright light into the darkest corners of government funding. As I said earlier, this kind of thing has been going on for a long time: If you're gay, you're OK; if you're Christian, we don't like you and we're going to make life really difficult for you.

DOUBLE STANDARD, ALRIGHT. AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

Silence is acquiescence.

batb...What are we going to do about it?

One place to start is the next door neighbour and co-workers.
Another place is get in touch with some people who already have a voice.See you in Ottawa at the Real Women conference?
I'll be showing this to my Lib M.P. who happens to be Catholic.
It's a start.
Why is this called 'cultural' funding???

The arts community is a liberal client group, no different from any other liberal client group. Get them hooked on government handouts and they become dependent on continued handouts in order to survive; ergo, they become a liberal voting block. When conservatives say, "Cut off that funding", liberals cry, "Oppression!" The cry is a smokescreen for the liberals' desire to keep the client group dependent, for if the client group discovers it can survive without the handouts, it may no longer be a liberal voting block.

What kind of world...?

The kind of world where activist doctrine has replaced good sense, intellectual honesty and moral value. It's the poison of Political Correctness.

The poison is in the system now and the only cure is amputation of affected parts.

Hence .... cut these infected state organs out of our public body.

Heritage Canada like the HRCs .. Fire Them ALL !

Yes, ladies, you go to the real womans group, and tell all your neighbors about me... tell them all about an extreme right-wing-left-wing-middle range, conservative voter who supports Harper...all the gays...good porno...had an abortion and ate some of it...thinks the catholics need to express themselves...but hates the diabolical pope and despises all spue that foams out as islamic dogma...almost as much as real women who want to take females back to the thirties...Do real women wear burkhas.?

Have no idea what Catholic Insight is, but in Cowtown the free entertainment weekly Fast Foward, used to have a a column by Montreal based writer Josey Vogels, A Messy Bedroom. (sic)

Ms Vogels dished out advice to the sexually challenged.

Ms. Vogels has graduated to the CBC, the ultimate tax funded wasteland.

Even as a general government hater, I do have to admit I don't mind grants to museums (ROM, AGO, National Gallery) and (mainstream) theatre companies (like the Stratford Festival.)

It's the other 99.5% of "cultural" funding I can't stand (including the CBC.) It's a leftard excuse for promoting a political agenda.

It's that leftard government funding that has transformed "art" from Bernini and Caravaggio to "piss Christ" and cheap PR stunts meant to offend and nothing more.

I will say that both the leftards and the SDA right is a bit hypocritical when it comes to funding cuts for what some people find "offensive." When Harper announced that film funding would be cut for "offensive" stuff, our lot didn't object (except that ALL funding should be cut.) The leftards threw a fit and carped about censorship. When the bureaucrats threaten religious mags, it's the same thing. Of course, most of us would just like welfare artists to be told to starve (Avi Lewis and lot first and foremost!)

Warwick, the point I was trying to make in my post is not whether funding is right or wrong - I believe it wrong even for Catholic Insight. I was simply trying to convey the rank hypocrisy of Heritage Canada for threatening to cut funds and monitoring de Valk while giving free reign to the porn industry.

My comment wasn't for you in particular. I agree with your point. Leftards can't be expected to be reasonable. They're just not capable of it.

I was addressing the broader issue in remembering the leftard's carping about cuts to funding for "offensive" films. If we are OK with cutting off films we find offensive, we can't complain when the leftards pull it on us.

We are agreed with idea that the government shouldn't be funding any of it.

"No funding for culture.

Problem solved."

A simple, perfect solution. Sadly, the bureaucratic masses who feast on tax dollars will have nothing to do if we take that approach. The percentage of voters who fund their daily needs from handouts from the treasury, er, well......

"A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage."

My guess is that we are at "dependence".

(believed to have been written by Alexis de tocqueville)

Just say no to government funding/subsidies of any kind, the CBC in particular, which is the controlling shareholder of Sirius Satellite Radio Canada, home of how many Lieberal trough divers?

We on the left are VERY aware that Rightards are:
-afraid of their own and everyone elses sexuality
-are not very good at it .... EVER!
-adhere to primitive mystical scriptures to hide their fearful inabilities
-adhere to religious authoritarianism to suppress and attempt control of the sex lives of others.
-are rigidly armoured against full sexual functioning
-(and as many fundamentalist preachers and Catholic priests have proven .... secretly engage in ALL of the same things that they openly condemn from the pulpit).

hmm...
leftdog...Prairie Dog...
Nothing like good values to rile up the lefties....

The Blazing Feline One is correct. Leaving aside the fact that arts funding by government is a stupid socialist idea even if done "well", what we have in this country is a fantastically corrupt old-boy network antique socialist activists.

Canadian arts funding is the de-facto propaganda arm of leftist politics in this country. You can't get a grant if you don't toe the party line. So we see the galleries and theaters and etc. filled up with Christian bashing, homosexually oriented PoMo socialist crap.

I design furniture for myself and family, so I attend furniture galleries and woodworking related art shows. One rule of thumb goes 100% of the time: if there's a chair in the show you can actually sit on, it will not win a ribbon. No way, no hope, no chance.

In fact, I know of a case where the artist's sculpture didn't win, but the little doohickey he made to hold it up was displayed separately by mistake and it DID win.

That's who's running arts funding these days in Canada.

Leftdog,

No, you just live in a world that exists only in your demented, delusional mind.

You know jack.

Nice to know LeftBog seems to approve of films testing the limits of our child pornography laws. How sad.

Leftdog has perfectly recited the catechism. Congratulations.

Nice display of accepting tolerance for other people there too, by the way. If I tried to do an over the top satire of the typical artsy wankers I run in to I couldn't do a better job. You are a veritable parody of type, sir/madam/whatsit.

I have a tendency to attend these art show affairs wearing a Canadian Warplane Heritage baseball cap and maybe a nice Spitfire t-shirt just to watch guys like you get all bent out of shape about it.

Works like garlic on a vampire. ~:D

cosmos, you're offensive—that’s entirely your right—and ignorant too. Poor you.

But what isn’t right is that you can shout your agenda from the rooftops—and in our schools and other public institutions—and, no matter how offensive—

YOU "HAD AN ABORTION AND ATE SOME OF IT"?—

both your person (as in your job and freedom from HRC harassment) and ideas are not only fully protected—by state censorship—but you’re allowed to insist that the rest of us agree with you, or we’ll be punished: social stigmatization (how inclusive!), serious sanctions, up to job loss, in public institutions, or an HRC case against us. REAL Women has been reasonably speaking out about such human rights abuses for decades. I’ll bet you and your navel-gazing friends haven’t.

Your view of REAL Women is an uninformed, bigoted (hateful, even) stereotype. Why not educate yourself a little bit? The National Action Committee on the Status of Women—NAC-SOW, a fitting acronym for this group of large-ly man-hating, lesbian misfits—has fallen on hard times now that their government funding has been decreased. On the other hand, REAL Women, on only memberships and donations, is still going strong. It’s also an NGO in Special Consultative Status in the Economic and Social Council of the UN. These few facts must tell you something, cosmos.

What irony: while, in general, the members of REAL Women, many of whom live on low incomes, work hard with their husbands—or wives: men can be honorary members: how inclusive!—to support their children, the NAC-SOW crowd have to rely on the 21st century version of a Sugar Daddy: the MALE dominated, at the moment Conservative, government. What does cosmos think of that?

BTW, the founder and guiding force of REAL Women, Gwen Landolt, is a savvy LAWYER and many members, including some of those who have been able to stay home with their kids, are professional women. Whatever their outside or at home obligations, they’re all hard workers. (The idea that REAL Women supports, let alone acts out barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen is so passé, as in LAST century, cosmos.) Members include doctors, lawyers, accountants, nurses, bankers, teachers, publishers, farmers, journalists, mathematicians, musicians, psychologists, authors, artists, entrepreneurs, etc. and even an airline pilot.

Some members have been able to stay in the home to care for their children. Others have not. But what they all agree on is that the family of a married mother and father is the foundation of our society. (Did you know, cosmos, that married women are four and a half times LESS likely to be abused than women living in common law relationships? Did you know that children are much safer within marriage because most abuse is done by an unrelated adult male, e.g., Mom’s boyfriend? Did you know that the data also show that lesbian relationships are quite unstable and notorious for abuse?) The kind of woman who belongs to REAL Women is the backbone of our communities: caring for their children in stable homes and often volunteering in their churches, schools, and myriad other places. They’re counter-cultural—you’re the conformist now, cosmos—independent women and, unlike the professional feminists, do NOT expect the taxpayer, via the government, to look after them and their families.

Look at our society these days to see the devastating results of the deconstruction of the natural family. Not a pretty sight.

cosmos also seems quite bigoted re Pope Benedict, who is a refined, gentle scholar, with a prodigious musical talent, abundant knowledge, and a razor sharp mind: courageous too when holding the line in our struggle with both materialism and Islam. What a guy! (I do appreciate, cosmos, that you think “Catholics need to express themselves”: I hope that includes me.)

REAL Women wear burqas? Not on your life, not if they can help it. Many are committed Christians and they’re the women standing up for traditional, Western Judeo-Christian values. It’s the anti-West feminists who are caving to the Muslim agenda by allying themselves with the HRC kangaroo courts (heck, many HRCs are run by feminists!) and the anti-war movement. No NATO and the US in the Middle East: women and girls will be back to being covered head to toe, AT HOME, probably barefoot and pregnant in their kitchens too: and, no education for them, thanks. How about beatings and stonings? That’s OK. (Do people like cosmos ever actually THINK, using FACTS?)

cosmos, from your uninformed bigotry, it’s clear you live in a MICROcosm. Why not widen your horizons?

Same Prairie Dog referred to here?

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/story.html?id=da8ea069-651a-4456-b7ab-9954d1f21bb6&k=73787

Lookout, thanks for that nice takedown of Cosmos. My wife stayed at home and raised out children and they have grown into really wonderful, capable young women. Which was the point.

One is representing Canada at the Olympics as we speak, and I seriously doubt she would have been able to get to that level if her mother had not been available to drive 1 1/2 hours to practice at 3pm several times a week. We lived a long way away from Victoria where the only competitive teams practiced and played.

As for Leftdog, I guess he's telling me that if I adopt the political views of a man like, er.... oh, say Stephane Dion, I will become a stud in the bedroom. Hahahahahahaha

lookout...well said!
See you in September?

Phantom:
Why not enter a show and submit an entry that conforms to the standards you describe? If you win, you can take the opportunity to denigrate your winning entry as a piece of crap. Admittedly, that's a lot of trouble to go through merely for a chance to rant, and my somewhat underdeveloped adult brain whispers to me that the whole scenario is childish. Still, heh, heh...

bluetech, you never know!

"I was simply trying to convey the rank hypocrisy of Heritage Canada for threatening to cut funds and monitoring de Valk while giving free reign to the porn industry." BCF

The government IS obviously monitoring the "porn industry" if you are referring to the film pictured in the attatchment. If you want to make a parallel between Catholic Insight & Prairie Dog you would have to show that Prairie Dog gets a stamp subsidy.

I see BigCityLiberal is discussing another parallel -- CI & Macleans --
http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2008/08/more-on-heritage-canada-and-catholic.html

leftdog wrote, "We on the left are VERY aware that Rightards are:
-afraid of their own and everyone elses sexuality
-are not very good at it .... EVER! . . ."

Speak for yourself, leftdog.

Like cosmos, this person speaks from ignorance and bigotry.

Actually, studies have shown that MARRIED people--not worried about STDs and who know each others' preferences very well and have had lots of practice--have more satisfying sex than any other group. Apparently, married, Christian women report that their sex lives are extremely satisfying. And think of all those kids of observant Christians: a little sex education for leftdog: they don't come about by mom and dad just holding hands.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

(Honestly, the cr*p the lefties drop here confirms that leftism is certainly an intellectual, if not a mental, disorder.)

Fetch Boy, Fetch !

Good sex? Try a loving, faithful, committed marriage of 25 plus years. It just keeps getting better and better for both of us!!
In my younger days before my conversion to Christ, I remember a lot of unfulfilled relationships and one night stands. I wouldn't go back to that for all the money in the world.
Good sex starts with getting your inner self healed and being able to love unconditionally.

RCGZ, you're welcome.

jack, I've also written a response to leftdog's ridiculous comments. It got caught in the filter.

Thanks for your super comments, which confirm the point I was making (which I hope shows up later).

Stop feeding the trolls and refrain from posting one-liners. This is not a chat room. Thank you.

lookout - what a perfect rebuttal of the ignorance and prejudiced arrogance of cosmos. Thanks. You said everything.

By the way, cosmos, I'm an atheist, and yet I have a profound, deep respect and admmiration for Pope Benedict. He's in incredibly wise, wise man. What's your evidence for your statement that he's 'diabolical'?

Have you ever read his papers - and in particular, his famous Regensburg lecture on Faith and Reason? It's outstanding. [Admittedly, it's Aristotelian - and I'm a great fan of Aristotle].

And leftdog- your default relapse into sexual displays shows your limited focus of attention.

phantom - yes, I can readily accept that example of an award doing to the non-chair! Our arts, and academic award systems in Canada are firmly in the control of the leftist relativists. You don't get anything unless you write in their Newspeak, a form of vapid, empty, proselytizing rhetoric about 'doing good' and other empty talk.

Result? Canadian research is miniscule and irrelevant in the world. It is what I call 'descriptive' (what were the tasks of women on the prairies in the 19th c) rather than analysis (why do societies do ...).

Result? Canadian art is firmly in the hands of a small incestuous group of postmodern leftists with a focus on aberrations and perversions.

And since Canada's taxation is so high, we haven't developed an investor class who can fund private foundations. That puts funding into the hands of the govt - and that means a massive leftist bureaucracy.

Lookout:
Your takedown of Cosmos was impressive. Noteworthy was your observation that people like Cosmos are actually today's conformists. Leftists need to hear that more often. As an adolescent, I myself was drawn to leftist views because they seemed rebellious and iconoclastic in a way that would mark me (I hoped) as the independent thinker I wanted others to see. I think at least some leftists are motivated by the same lazy narcissism. Having their "iconoclasm" exposed as conformity would deflate them in way that would be salutary for them and for society.

RSP, I've considered doing a PoMo series, the usual clashing colours, smooth rocks in rough iron cages, cups you can't drink out of, self-disassembling chairs made of spikes that you can't sit on.

But its all been done, you know? The Dadaists were making fur-lined teacups in the 1930's, now its all a re-hash. The most disturbing, radical, outrageous thing you can show these days is a well executed Shaker table. The Shaker aesthetic is so uncaring of the PoMo freakishness, people like Cosmos and Leftdog have a frothing paroxysm when they see it. The solidity of it drives them wacky.

That might be worth the trouble, actually. ~:D

ET, we're perfectly in synch on this one! I appreciate your appreciation of my comments and your fine comments about the excellent B16. The lefty meme about him is the usual garbage. What I’ve read of his—not his scholarly works, which are so erudite, they’re beyond the likes of me, but some of his spiritual writings—are transparent and luminous. His wisdom, humility and goodness shine through.

RSP, thanks and I'm glad you're no longer a conformist! There's a huge price to pay for not being one these days—ET beautifully describes the conformists’ hijacking of Canadian culture—but it sure beats being full of smugness and toxic thinking.

These flyers should be delivered door to door in NDP ridings such as Toronto-Danforth, Pat Martin's Winnipeg riding. Montreal ridings like Cotler's and Trudeau's. Best would be in Rae and Dryden's ridings and Iggy's in Etobicoke. All ethnic ridings would scream too. Only inner-city slum ridings would see nothing wrong. A simple tagline would suffice like " _____MP supports Government funding of this flyer"

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH OUR CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT?

lookout

I like ET am an atheist, but can relate to much of what you stand for as to "traditional" values.

and I'm not a conformist by any stretch of the imagination:-)))

and as to "real women", what ever I'v ever read on them (as did your post) has always impressed me, but the lefties will always denigrate any idea that they have not formulated, thusly when women place themselves as equals to men, a supossedly liberal concept, it THREATENS a liberal man's self confidence, and you sure shot the poor lads down:-))))

Kate, no 1 liners????? as a dylexic with ADD you would expect more from me?????mercy me

Bravo Lookout, talk about a slam dunk. Is Cosmo the "Cosmo" that use to moderate at Canadian Content? A leftwing discussion forum where right wingers regularly get banned?

Quote: Oppression!" The cry is a smokescreen for the liberals' desire to keep the client group dependent, for if the client group discovers it can survive without the handouts, it may no longer be a liberal voting block.

Well articulated.

Why is okay to monitor and censor a Catholic Magazine but kiddie porn is funded and that's acceptable why? Frankly I'd rather the government not fund any form of the "Arts". If they are going to fund the "Arts" then they damn well better be fair and consistant, and that's exactly what they are not being. Kiddie porn honestly what's next?

I've really enjoyed the articulate and sometimes hilarious contributions of lookout, The Phantom, and ET on this thread.

It's true. The lib-left are actually, as lookout so clearly articulates, the conformists on this thread. Ho hum. Same old, same old aren't-we-cutting-edge-and-daring?

Well, no. Just boringly predictable.

Blazing Cat Fur writes about the gay magazine, FAB, “Now if film isn't your thing you can always curl up with a copy of Fab Magazine, which Heritage Canada supported to the tune of $35,751 in fiscal 2006-2007. Click on the Hot Links tab on the right hand sidebar under ‘Regular features’, I dare ya;) I'm not sure if that section qualifies under ‘Editorial Content’ funding guidelines hmmm.”

I just took up Blazing Cat Fur’s dare. This is extremely graphic gay pornography: full nudity and close ups of sodomy and fellatio. Sorry for the vivid description, but that’s what we’re paying for—and, apparently, Heritage Canada has no problem with this.

The images at FAB are not nice to look at, but I think a sampling of them should be viewed by as many people as possible, so we know what we’re up against. (Gay activists are not just promoting dad and dad next door!) And Heritage Canada should have to be accountable for both funding this perverse content and for explaining how it gets a free pass while Fr DeValk’s Catholic opinions (trying to expose some of this perversion) are under the jackboot.

Also, looking at this stuff prompts me to say “disparaging” things about an identifiable group, as well as denigrate their perverse agenda and the fact that their sexual practices are definitely unsanitary and unhealthy—really unhealthy. I’ll bet most others here will feel the same. I’m sure the Rev. Stephen Boissoin would feel the same too. But he’s not allowed to say anything “disparaging” about homosexuals—EVER—because the Alberta HRC has said he can’t, while denigrating him and all other observant Christians, as well as saying disparaging things about him, Christians, and Christian beliefs.

The double standard here is unconscionable.

This situation is so unjust, my blood boils.

Concerned Canadian, the gay advocates are picking on Catholics and Christians and the Conservative Government is funding graphic GAY porn and that's okay but Quotes from the bible must be veted by the Federal Government (and police in Alberta). If the homosexual community want a fight, fine let us play by their rules. Show the public what is going on and what is being funded as "Normal". I provided a link on Blazes site, it's a graphic photo essay on what passes for a "Family friendly" free event for everyone hosted by GAYS. Fab has nothing on the perversion that was photographed and blogged about.

This is what the leftards call diversity, would you want these men adopting and raising children?
The link will be dead just copy and paste it on the google bar.

Link: http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/

People should also check out the Folsom Street shenanigans.

One arresting image is that of the two or three year old twin girls, in dog collars, there with their leathermen "dads". The girls, with heads cocked to one side, were smiling and squinting up at men with virtually no clothes on, some with erections.

Sick. And the police turn a blind eye—just as they do in Canada’s large cities. (Wearing shoes, apparently, exempts these provocateurs from breaking the law.)

I mean in large cities on "Gay Pride days".

Concerning crown advertising in assorted publications -- does anyone monitor those publications written in languages other than English? What are Serbs saying about Croats? What are Russians saying about Georgians?

one liners are sometimes all i have. in the fight against perversion words will never win. look at what it took to clean up sodom.

old white guy, you have a point. Reality: Even some of my lefty friends agree that things seem to have gone too far. Lefty Fantasy, as Usual: But things are bound to turn around.

O ya? I remind them that turning a sow's ear into a silk purse isn't likely to happen.

P.S. Deborah Gyapong's blog has an excellent analysis of this issue.