Equally fun:

Google "Jewish Nobelists" then "Muslim Nobelists"

"Christian Literary Giants" - 200,000 hits

But look what the Jews have done.

Nobel prize winners. How can this be?

* Chemistry (29 prize winners, 19% of world total, 28% of US total)
* Economics (25 prize winners, 41% of world total, 55% of US total)
* Literature (13 prize winners, 13% of world total, 27% of US total)
* Peace (9 prize winners, 9% of world total, 10% of US total)3
* Physics (47 prize winners, 26% of world total, 38% of US total)
* Physiology or Medicine (53 prize winners, 28% of world total, 41% of US total)

109,000 hits for "Islamic literary giants", though. However, I suspect that 108,999 of those are islamic websites.

Also, there was something in the news this past week about valuable Islamic manuscripts in Timbuktu being feverishly protected and saved from decay/neglect.

I'm not defending...just noting some facts.

Eeyore - put that in quotes. Otherwise you generate matches that simply have those one or more of the words somewhere in the text.

"Islamic literary giants" generates one match - and the actual page reads "pre-islamic literary giants".

As an aside, I suppose Sherry Jones should blame only herself for wasting the past few months of her life writing a book to bringing Muslims and non-believers together.

There is a mindset among radical Islam that would rather kill people like Sherry Jones than be subjected to being brought together.

"So three Muslims won the Nobel Prize in Science and literature. Out of 1.2-1.5 billion Muslims."

Jew with a population 100 X smaller: a total of 131

http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/03/muslim_inventions_nobel_prizes.html

It's not IQ's that are the problem, it's the deadening effect of Islam over centuries. It's regressively anti-science and anti-human. If they didn't have oil money to buy western stuff, they'd be two centuries behind us in lifestyle.

Tangentially, the number of books translated into arabic is miniscule. 3w.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2004/12/21/translation-and-information-flow/

Imagine someone as intelligent as you and knowing only how to read and write arabic - in light of how few books are available (and if you live in a a heavily censored area like Iran even fewer) from other languages and culture how warped would your perspective on the world be?

I may have posited this on SDA before, but I think if George Soros or Bill Gates really wanted to change the economic and personal liberty plight of the most people for the lowest cost start translating as many books as possible into Arabic - from pulp fiction to proust.

Hmmmm. I did a test just to help provide some balance. Oh well.... Just reporting what I found.

No results found for "Islamic literary contributions".
No results found for "muslim literary contributions".
Results 1 - 10 of 10 for "muslim cultural contributions"
Results 1 - 10 of about 100 for "Islamic cultural contributions"
No results found for "Islamic technology contributions"
No results found for "muslim technology contributions"
Results 1 - 7 of 7 for "muslim scientific contributions"
Results 1 - 10 of about 138 for "Islamic scientific contributions"
No results found for "muslim mathematical contributions"
Results 1 - 4 of 4 for "Islamic mathematical contributions"
No results found for "muslim medical contributions"
Results 1 - 1 of 1 for "Islamic medical contributions"

Kathy, check your "muslim" winners of the real Nobel prizes.

Physics:
Elias James Corey - American born and raised.
Ahmed Zewail - Cairo, went to American University of Cairo

Medicine:
Peter Brian Medawar - Arab Christian
Ferid Mourad - Arab Christian

It is Google's problem that it does not come up with any "Muslim
literary giants". Al-Ghazali, Omar Khayyam (read in English
translation down to the present day), and, indeed, the Prophet
come immediately to mind; indeed, both Arabic and Farsi are
said to have rich and extensive literatures, mostly untranslated.

The above does not in any way constitute an endoresement for
contemporary Islamism, which because of its Salafist roots
would probably reject and suppress most Muslim literature.

Biff:

"'Christian Literary Giants' - 200,000 hits"

Yah...unless you actually put those three words in quotes like the Muslim one...then you only get two hits. I guess that means that there are only a couple of literary giants out there in christaindumb.

Penny:
"It's not IQ's that are the problem, it's the deadening effect of Islam over centuries."

Yu huh...religion in general has a deadening effect on the mind. Lots of great examples in the media about how religious organizations keep holding us back in North America. Just because Islam has been quite a bit more pernicious in recent history so far as intellectual development goes doesn't mean it's all that different.

If north americans lived in Christian theocratic states, we would be just as backward as any other theocratic state.

WTF, there's also "gay literary giants"???

Oh, come on... what the hell does writing ability have to do with whether one prefers hotdogs or tacos? I think some folks are making too much hay out of their "identity" as "gay", as if playing with same-sex folks' gonads makes one who one is...

Oh, just a little observation, that's all... hope Richard Warman doesn't file a complaint against the "Canadian Sentinel" on the gayfolks' behalf, but bring it on, Richie, baby; I'd love to see ya in (a real, not a kangaroo) court, baby! ;) LOL

What do you need an education for if you're ultimate objective is to pray, serve god as a slave, destroy infidels.

Ok ... education helps prepare you to destroy infidels.

Problem is after your done with all that stuff you still have an ideology that puts ZERO emphasis on anything constructive.

AND BTW without oil money the entire ME would be desert and the Arabs would be at each other's throats over camels and goats.

No results found for "conservative literary giants".
No results found for "saskatchewan literary giants".
One result for "ontario literary giants" - "Margaret Atwood, Alice Munro and Michael Ondaatje..."

This is a silly game.

Of course, there's also a "straight literary giants" result to go with the partial-screen listing of the few results for "gay literary giants". But then again, most literary giants are straight, of course, so I guess we don't need to go around bragging about it...

The reason there are so many Jewish Nobel Prize winners is that pigs and monkeys are both pretty smart.

While I agree that a Christian theocracy would be pretty hard to take, at least there is a way out of it in Christianity. No such luck for Islam, apparently since it is a political as well as religious system of beliefs. Jesus said "Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's" The two are not equivalent, as is shown by the Taliban's conversion of a soccer stadium in Kahbul into a site for public hand chopping and executions.

A lot of people talk about the sophistication and accomplishments of early Muslim culture, but actually they discovered a huge deposit of silver in Afghanistan and used the money to buy everything from Chinese silks to British slaves. The silver coins are often found in the tombs of Viking slave raiders with the inscription "There is no God but Allah" When the silver ran out, they had to wait for Oil to get rich again.

The topic here is the islamophobic West (i.e. the publishing company in this case), is it not?

(Islamophobe = 'irrational fear of' Islam)

Why are some in the West so scared of muslims? Why aren't these type of types of events condemned by everyone? Where is the uproar?

Sory, Kate. I originally thought this was a thread about a google search. It's actually a thread about dhimminishing choices for customers of Random House. Mea culpa.

Hey Johan, why do islamists have Christianphobia.

last i heard they put apostate's to death lest they dilute the ranks.

i'm not scared of muslims, i just think that they have a agenda financed by saudi oil money and backed by the MainStream Media, no less.

Doesn't help you get all those worthless tools trying their blasphemy cases for them for free.

And a Googlewhack!
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22Muslim+Einsteins%22&meta=

Sure, John Lewis, Omar Khayyam must coumt as a great farsi poet, but he wouldn't do too well under the current theocracy.

"A jug of wine, a book of verse and thou...

Read it (The Rubayat[sp?]). Good stuff.

I nominate Gord Tulk's comment above for "Thoughtful and Intriguing Comment of the Day".

Just imagine it! Start with some great Western historical works. Add the works of some of the great Enlightment philosophers. Add the works of some of the great Jewish and Christian theologians.

Most importantly, make all these books available as free downloads on the Internet. They ought to be available on as many different web sites and servers as possible, to make censorship as difficult as possible for the Islamist state censors attempting to prevent their acquisition by interested Muslims.

What an enormous and world-changing agent of change in the Muslim world this could be!

My bad, Kate. Of course you're correct. But then again, Zach Bell's correct, too, about only being 2 hits for "Christian literary giants".

Regardless, I recognize the point you're making and believe it to be valid...that the Islamic world does NOT seemingly encourage or support great literature (heck, they don't even seem to encourage LITERACY)...or science or medicine or much of anything else.

Ya ya, someone can search through the library archives and find SOME great islamic literature from a couple millenia ago (all but invisible in comparison to the huge mounds of great literature produced by every other group in the world) BUT...

"...what have you done for me lately"?

Dave in PA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Books_of_the_Western_World

Not to be fascist here, but how are these things decided. I mean Ayn Rand had secular Jewish parents, but she was not religious at all.

Not to be fascist here, but how are these things decided. I mean Ayn Rand had secular Jewish parents, but she was not religious at all.

Oh yeah, don't forget that "Muslim" literary giant Omar Khayyam. You got part of it right.

Allah, perchance, the secret word might spell;
If Allah be, He keeps His secret well;
 What He hath hidden, who shall hope to find?
Shall God His secret to a maggot tell?
...
The Koran! well, come put me to the test-
Lovely old book in hideous error drest-
 Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,
The unbeliever (say what???)knows his Koran best.
 
And do you think that unto such as you,
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew, (Anathema! I smell an Islamophobe!)
 God gave the secret, and denied it me?-
Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.

thanks for the complement dave in pa:

I come from the Milton freidman school of thought that information/knowledge is the most empowering, liberating and wealth generating thing in the world - if I could only get bill gates' ear for ten minutes...

penny, without the west extracting and buying the oil that thewest found i think the lifestyle would be tents and camels.

I actually had Dr. Spellberg for a class at UT. I thought she was a great professor, and an extremely intelligent woman. We didn't agree on everything, but she was extremely fair and open to different perspectives. The fact that she trashed this book probably indicates that it was just that - trashy. When you submit your book to someone and ask for criticism, you should expect criticism - especially when you ask a history professor, an expert in the field. I read historical romance ebooks all the time, but I would never, ever ask one of my history professors for a review of them. Random House pulling this book has, I believe, less to do with Professor Spellberg's critique and more to do with fear of a backlash. As a business, they are well within their rights to do so. And the fact that this book has generated so much buzz before even becoming available is great for Sherry Jones - someone will snap this book up immediately, and everyone will want a copy. It's a win-win.

No results found for "mcmillan blogosphere giant"

Just because Google can't find it - doesn't mean it does not exist.

While this is a pretty sad commentary, I would like to express my fondness for the poetry of Jelaluddin Rumi (1207-1273).

While Rumi did make the pilgrimage to Mecca, he's definitely not an orthodox Muslim, so I suppose that just emphasizes your point.

I've also noticed that Sufis, the spiritual descendants of Rumi, are facing governmental and vigilante persecution in Iran. I grasp that Sufis are considered a heretical sect by both Sunni and Shia Muslims.

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"I have come to understand that Multiculturalism means that no one>/b> in the country can be comfortable anymore."

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For evidence, just read blogs. It's all there.

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And check it out, everybody: the Jews were slaves for way longer than some people, and their ancestors never got reparations (i.e. welfare checks).

Yet for some reason the Jewish "legacy of slavery" doesn't seem to include gangsta rap, teen pregnancy or high incareration rates. Weird.

As for Muslims: first cousin marriage is not a recipe for future Nobel Prize wins...

Although funny, it's a pretty useless google search.

"White literary giants" turns up 3 results.
"Canadian literary giants" turns up 28 results.
"European literary giants" turns up 8 results.
"American literary giants" turns up 208 results.
"Asian literary giants" turns up 1 result.

So what can we infer from these numbers? That the phrase "literary giant" is a Western phrase!

Dr. Andrew Bostom, Romanticized Pedophilia and Polygamy

Having just read the Prologue... to Sherry Jones “The Jewel of Medina,” one hopes (against hope) that perhaps the whole “fatwa” imbroglio has been manufactured by Random House to jettison this idiotic “novel.”

There are so many layers of irony and tragedy to this story, epitomized most of all by the feckless Ms. Jones who not only romanticizes pedophilia... and polygamy, but seems utterly unaware that she is doing so having adopted in her own warped fashion—albeit, not “deferentially” enough—an apologetic narrative for Islam’s foundational (and living) debasement of women...

Asra Q. Nomani, You Still Can't Write About Muhammad

This saga upsets me as a Muslim -- and as a writer who believes that fiction can bring Islamic history to life in a uniquely captivating and humanizing way...

All this saddens me. Literature moves civilizations forward, and Islam is no exception. There is in fact a tradition of historical fiction in Islam, including such works as "The Adventures of Amir Hamza," an epic on the life of Muhammad's uncle. Last year a 948-page English translation was published, ironically, by Random House. And, for all those who believe the life of the prophet Muhammad can't include stories of lust, anger and doubt, we need only read the Quran (18:110) where, it's said, God instructed Muhammad to tell others: "I am only a mortal like you."

There is Rumi who was a Sufi, but that is still Muslim and
Najib Mahfuz who won the Noble Lit prize.

"The fact that she trashed this book probably indicates that it was just that - trashy."

You missed the point. It sounded trashy to me, but her opinion wasn't on literary merit, it was basically a statment about about it not being acceptable in a free and secular society. Since when did university profs get so sensitive about religous traditions? Nice try.

This is even dumb for Kate McMillan.

What's wrong, toots? Upset that your persecution campaigns against various and sundry beige people aren't resulting in the civil unrest you had hoped for?

Get a job, you parasite.

Oil

"Get a job, you parasite" is Warren Kinsella's line. "toots" sounds like something he'd say, too. Funny.

Try this link under "Muslim genius." Hilarious!It's what I call a Muslim low-rider!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZFZBOkNKaw&watch_response

No results found for "mcmillan blogosphere giant"

Just because Google can't find it - doesn't mean it does not exist.

Posted by: rimcTX at August 8, 2008 2:40 PM

rim -- got one hit! Maybe this is the start of something eh!

Why do I get the feeling that most of you have ...

...FAILED TO CLINK THE LINK.

Brent - nice pun...

Thanks, Tenebris.

Dave in PA.: Have you heard of the "Great Books of thwe Western World"?

"Why are some in the West so scared of muslims? "

Scared of 'em? No. Sick of some of them? Yes. Here is a letter sent by Barbary Pirates to the Continental Congress at about the time of the inception of our republic more than two centuries ago:

The Americans asked Adja why his government was hostile to American ships, even though there had been no provocation. The ambassador's response was reported to the Continental Congress:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once

Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Pirates

Our response then was similar to our response now. We created the Unitied States Marines, who are called leathernecks on account of the leather collars they wore to keep their heads from being chopped of by these evil vermin.

Once the fighting stopped for a while in 1815, the US stopped paying tribute, while the Europeans continued to shell over the Dane Geld to the pirate scum. So we have never feared the Muslims, but there sure has been plenty of reason to distrust and plenty of provocation to fight.

Canadian literary giants??

Ha!

Name six!

(and no pygmies such as Munro, Lawrence and the rest of the lib PC gang of smug, sanctimonious, hypocritical, pointless, boring, irrelevant, tedious, irritating, unoriginal crap.

Neat Comparison via Googlefight

http://tinyurl.com/5fqks8

Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at 2:46 PM

""""As for Muslims: first cousin marriage is not a recipe for future Nobel Prize wins...""""

nor is try to impregnate one's own right hand or a prepubescent boy!!!

Eeyore @12.02

There is a tradition of personal libraries in Timbuktoo, which was a caravan trade route center. The books are mostly copies of the Koran, if I understand correctly, and islamic law books.

The only islamic "scholatr" I have read, and have a copy of, is Alberuni's record of India. Beware the glowing reports you may read of him as the "first anthropolgist", etc. he wasn't.

This was an educated, smart man who is most famous for his description of India and also his work based upon Indian and Greek mathematics and astronomy. He represents the high point of "Islamic" history; shortly after, totalitarianism shut down all natural inquiry.

but if you google "muslims intent on destroying America"
you will get 1,180,000 hits

Appears the concept of "freedom of the press" has been completely lost on the executive suite at Random House...

As Tenebris said,click the link. Random House has refused to publish the book. They fear for the safety of the author as well as thier own.

"...various and sundry beige people..." as expressed by the troll who knows naught who Ayn Rand was, strikes me as being a perversely and explicitly racist comment. Didn't come from Kate's hand, but from a member of the, apparently, racist and bigoted left.

That wouldn't be Warren, he's only a bigot.

To really find out about Muslim writers and scientists, etc., it is best to google, for example "Iranian Writers" or "Iraqi Writers" and you will find a lot of them. You can also then investigate each one - and if lucky you can read something that they have done and maybe learn that they are pretty good.

Things like the Nobel Prize are political and often western oriented (even for things like physics) and so you can't really use this as an objective measure.

Plus, Al Gore has one, and all HE had to do was fear-monger in an attempt to scare people into giving him gobs of money.

ccoon:

Name one that has been influential globally since the Koran.

Astronomers and Astrophysicists

* Muhammad Ahmad Khan Minhas
* Khalid ibn Yazid (Calid)
* Jafar al-Sadiq
* Yaqūb ibn Tāriq
* Ibrahim al-Fazari
* Muhammad al-Fazari
* Mashallah
* Naubakht
* Al-Khwarizmi, also a mathematician
* Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar)
* Al-Farghani
* Banū Mūsā (Ben Mousa)
o Ja'far Muhammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
o Ahmad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
o Al-Hasan ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
* Thābit ibn Qurra (Thebit)
o Sinan ibn Thabit
o Ibrahim ibn Sinan
* Al-Majriti
* Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (Albatenius)
* Al-Farabi (Abunaser)
* Abd Al-Rahman Al Sufi
* Abu Sa'id Gorgani
* Kushyar ibn Labban
* Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin
* Al-Mahani
* Al-Marwazi
* Al-Nayrizi
* Al-Saghani
* Al-Farghani
* Abu Nasr Mansur
* Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (Kuhi)
* Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi
* Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī
* Ibn Yunus
* Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen)
* Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
* Avicenna
* Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel)
* Omar Khayyám
* Al-Khazini
* Ibn Bajjah (Avempace)
* Ibn Tufail (Abubacer)
* Nur Ed-Din Al Betrugi (Alpetragius)
* Averroes
* Al-Jazari
* Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī
* Anvari
* Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi
* Nasir al-Din Tusi
* Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi
* Ibn al-Shatir
* Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī
* Jamshīd al-Kāshī
* Ulugh Beg, also a mathematician
* Taqi al-Din, Ottoman astronomer
* Ahmad Nahavandi
* Haly Abenragel
* Ghallia Kaouk
* Abolfadl Harawi
* Kerim Kerimov, a founder of Soviet space program, a lead architect behind first human spaceflight (Vostok 1), and the lead architect of the first space stations (Salyut and Mir)[1][2]
* Farouk El-Baz, a NASA scientist involved in the first Moon landings with the Apollo program[3]
* Abdul Kalam
* Sultan bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud
* Muhammed Faris
* Abdul Ahad Mohmand
* Talgat Musabayev
* Anousheh Ansari
* Amir Ansari
* Essam Heggy, a planetary scientist involved in the NASA Mars Exploration Program[4]
* Ahmed Salem
* Alaa Ibrahim
* Mohamed Sultan
* Ahmed Noor
* Yunus Aswat
* Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor, pioneer of biomedical research in space[5][6]

Chemists and Alchemists

* Khalid ibn Yazid (Calid)
* Jafar al-Sadiq
* Jabir Ibn Hayyan (Geber), father of chemistry[7][8][9]
* Abbas Ibn Firnas (Armen Firman)
* Al-Kindi (Alkindus)
* Al-Majriti
* Ibn Miskawayh
* Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
* Avicenna
* Al-Khazini
* Nasir al-Din Tusi
* Hasan al-Rammah
* Ibn Khaldun
* Sake Dean Mahomet
* Salimuzzaman Siddiqui
* Al Khawazimi Father of Al-Gabra, (Mathematics)
* Ahmed H. Zewail, Nobel Prize in Chemistry, 1999[10]
* Ali Eftekhari

Computer Scientists

* Lotfi Asker Zadeh, Iranian computer scientist; founder of fuzzy logic and fuzzy set theory[11][12]
* Jawed Karim, Bangladeshi American software engineer; lead architect of PayPal and co-founder of YouTube[13]
* Pierre Omidyar, Iranian American entrepreneur; founder of eBay[14]

Economists and Social Scientists

* Abu Hanifa an-Nu‘man (699-767), economist
* Abu Yusuf (731-798), economist
* Ishaq bin Ali al-Rahwi (854–931), economist
* Al-Farabi (Alpharabius) (873–950), economist
* Al-Saghani (d. 990), one of the earliest historians of science[16]
* Shams al-Mo'ali Abol-hasan Ghaboos ibn Wushmgir (Qabus) (d. 1012), economist
* Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī (973-1048), considered the "first anthropologist"[17] and father of Indology[18]
* Ibn Sina (Avicenna) (980–1037), economist
* Ibn Miskawayh (b. 1030), economist
* Al-Ghazali (Algazel) (1058–1111), economist
* Al-Mawardi (1075–1158), economist
* Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī (Tusi) (1201-1274), economist
* Ibn al-Nafis (1213-1288), sociologist
* Ibn Taymiyyah (1263–1328), economist
* Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), forerunner of social sciences[19] such as demography,[20] cultural history,[21] historiography,[22] philosophy of history,[23] sociology[20][23] and economics[24][25]
* Al-Maqrizi (1364-1442), economist
* Akhtar Hameed Khan, Pakistani social scientist; pioneer of microcredit
* Mahbub ul Haq, Pakistani economist; developer of Human Development Index and founder of Human Development Report[26][27]
* Muhammad Yunus, Bangladeshi economist; father of microcredit and microfinance[28][29]

Geographers and Earth Scientists

* Al-Masudi, the "Herodotus of the Arabs", and pioneer of historical geography[31]
* Al-Kindi, pioneer of environmental science[32]
* Qusta ibn Luqa
* Ibn Al-Jazzar
* Al-Tamimi
* Al-Masihi
* Avicenna
* Ali ibn Ridwan
* Muhammad al-Idrisi, also a cartographer
* Ahmad ibn Fadlan
* Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, father of geodesy,[17][33] considered the first geologist and "first anthropologist"[17]
* Avicenna
* Ibn Jumay
* Abd-el-latif
* Averroes
* Ibn al-Nafis
* Ibn al-Quff
* Ibn Battuta
* Ibn Khaldun
* Piri Reis
* Evliya Çelebi
* Zaghloul El-Naggar

Mathematicians

* Al-Hajjāj ibn Yūsuf ibn Matar
* Khalid ibn Yazid (Calid)
* Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī (Algorismi) - father of algebra[34] and algorithms[35]
* Al-Abbās ibn Said al-Jawharī
* 'Abd al-Hamīd ibn Turk
* Hunayn ibn Ishaq
* Al-Kindi (Alkindus)
* Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar)
* Banū Mūsā (Ben Mousa)
o Ja'far Muhammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
o Al-Hasan ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
* Al-Mahani
* Ahmed ibn Yusuf
* Thābit ibn Qurra (Thebit)
o Sinan ibn Thabit
o Ibrahim ibn Sinan
* Al-Majriti
* Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (Albatenius)
* Al-Farabi (Abunaser)
* Abū Kāmil Shujā ibn Aslam
* Al-Nayrizi
* Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin
* Brethren of Purity
* Abu'l-Hasan al-Uqlidisi
* Al-Saghani
* Abū Sahl al-Qūhī
* Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi
* Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī
* Ibn Sahl
* Al-Sijzi
* Ibn Yunus
* Abu Nasr Mansur
* Kushyar ibn Labban
* Al-Karaji
* Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen/Alhazen)
* Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
* Avicenna
* Ibn Tahir al-Baghdadi
* Al-Nasawi
* Al-Jayyani
* Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel)
* Al-Mu'taman ibn Hud
* Omar Khayyám
* Al-Khazini
* Ibn Bajjah (Avempace)
* Al-Ghazali (Algazel)
* Al-Samawal
* Averroes
* Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī
* Al-Marrakushi
* Ibn al-Banna'
* Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi
* Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, 13th century Persian mathematician and philosopher
* Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi
* Kamāl al-Dīn al-Fārisī
* Muḥyi al-Dīn al-Maghribī
* Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī
* Al-Khalili
* Ibn al-Shatir
* Qāḍī Zāda al-Rūmī
* Jamshīd al-Kāshī
* Ulugh Beg
* Taqi al-Din
* Muhammad Baqir Yazdi
* Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī (1412-1482), pioneer of symbolic algebra[36]
* Lotfi Asker Zadeh, Iranian computer scientist; founder of Fuzzy Mathematics and fuzzy set theory[11][12]
* Cumrun Vafa
* Jeffrey Lang Professor at the University of Kansas converted to Islam from atheism

Neuroscientists and Psychologists

* Ibn Sirin (654–728), author of work on dreams and dream interpretation[38]
* Al-Kindi (Alkindus), pioneer of psychotherapy and music therapy[39]
* Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, pioneer of psychiatry, clinical psychiatry and clinical psychology[40]
* Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi, pioneer of mental health,[37] medical psychology, cognitive psychology, cognitive therapy, psychophysiology and psychosomatic medicine[41]
* Najab ud-din Muhammad, pioneer of mental disorder classification[42]
* Al-Farabi (Alpharabius), pioneer of social psychology and consciousness studies[43]
* Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (Haly Abbas), pioneer of neuroanatomy, neurobiology and neurophysiology[43]
* Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), pioneer of neurosurgery[44]
* Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), founder of experimental psychology, psychophysics, phenomenology and visual perception[45]
* Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, pioneer of reaction time[46]
* Avicenna (Ibn Sina), pioneer of physiological psychology,[42] neuropsychiatry,[47] thought experiment, self-awareness and self-consciousness[48]
* Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), pioneer of neurology and neuropharmacology[44]
* Averroes, pioneer of Parkinson's disease[44]
* Ibn Tufail, pioneer of tabula rasa and nature versus nurture[49]

Physicians and Surgeons

* Khalid ibn Yazid (Calid)
* Jafar al-Sadiq
* Shapur ibn Sahl (d. 869), pioneer of pharmacy and pharmacopoeia[53]
* Al-Kindi (Alkindus) (801-873), pioneer of pharmacology[54]
* Abbas Ibn Firnas (Armen Firman) (810-887)
* Al-Jahiz, pioneer of natural selection
* Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, pioneer of medical encyclopedia[40]
* Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi
* Ishaq bin Ali al-Rahwi (854–931), pioneer of peer review and medical peer review[55]
* Al-Farabi (Alpharabius)
* Abul Hasan al-Tabari - physician
* Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari - physician
* Ibn Al-Jazzar
* Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (d. 994), pioneer of obstetrics and perinatology[56]
* Abu Gaafar Amed ibn Ibrahim ibn abi Halid al-Gazzar (10th century), pioneer of dental restoration[57]
* Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis) - father of modern surgery, and pioneer of neurosurgery,[44] craniotomy,[56] hematology[58] and dental surgery[59]
* Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen), pioneer of eye surgery, visual system[60] and visual perception[61]
* Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
* Avicenna (Ibn Sina) (980-1037) - father of modern medicine,[62] founder of Unani medicine,[58] pioneer of experimental medicine, evidence-based medicine, pharmaceutical sciences, clinical pharmacology,[63] aromatherapy,[64] pulsology and sphygmology,[65] and also a philosopher
* Ibn Miskawayh
* Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) - father of experimental surgery,[66] and pioneer of experimental anatomy, experimental physiology, human dissection, autopsy[67] and tracheotomy[68]
* Ibn Bajjah (Avempace)
* Ibn Tufail (Abubacer)
* Averroes
* Ibn al-Baitar
* Nasir al-Din Tusi
* Ibn al-Nafis (1213-1288), father of circulatory physiology, pioneer of circulatory anatomy,[69] and founder of Nafisian anatomy, physiology,[70] pulsology and sphygmology[71]
* Ibn al-Quff (1233-1305), pioneer of modern embryology[56]
* Kamāl al-Dīn al-Fārisī
* Ibn Khatima (14th century), pioneer of bacteriology and microbiology[72]
* Ibn al-Khatib (1313-1374)
* Mansur ibn Ilyas
* Saghir Akhtar - pharmacist
* Toffy Musivand
* Samuel Rahbar
* Muhammad B. Yunus, the "father of our modern view of fibromyalgia"[73]
* Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor, pioneer of biomedical research in space[5][6]

Physicists

* Jafar al-Sadiq, 8th century
* Banū Mūsā (Ben Mousa), 9th century
o Ja'far Muhammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
o Ahmad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
o Al-Hasan ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
* Abbas Ibn Firnas (Armen Firman), 9th century
* Thābit ibn Qurra (Thebit), 9th century
* Al-Saghani, 10th century
* Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (Kuhi), 10th century
* Ibn Sahl, 10th century
* Ibn Yunus, 10th century
* Al-Karaji, 10th century
* Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen), 11th century Iraqi scientist, father of optics,[74] pioneer of scientific method[75] and experimental physics,[76] considered the "first scientist"[77]
* Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, 11th century, pioneer of experimental mechanics[78]
* Avicenna, 11th century
* Al-Khazini, 12th century
* Ibn Bajjah (Avempace), 12th century
* Hibat Allah Abu'l-Barakat al-Baghdaadi (Nathanel), 12th century
* Averroes, 12th century Andalusian mathematician, philosopher and medical expert
* Al-Jazari, 13th century civil engineer, father of robotics,[9] father of modern engineering[79]
* Nasir al-Din Tusi, 13th century
* Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi, 13th century
* Kamāl al-Dīn al-Fārisī, 13th century
* Hasan al-Rammah, 13th century
* Ibn al-Shatir, 14th century
* Taqi al-Din, 16th century
* Hezarfen Ahmet Celebi, 17th century
* Lagari Hasan Çelebi, 17th century
* Sake Dean Mahomet, 18th century
* Tipu Sultan, 18th century Indian mechanician
* Fazlur Khan, 20th century Bangladeshi mechanician
* Mahmoud Hessaby, 20th century Iranian physicist
* Ali Javan, 20th century Iranian physicist
* Bacharuddin Jusuf Habibie, 20th century Indonesian aerospace engineer and president
* Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistani nuclear physicist
* Abdus Salam, Pakistani physicist; Nobel Prize in Physics 1977[80]
* Abdul Kalam, Indian nuclear physicist
* Mehran Kardar, Iranian theoretical physicist
* Cumrun Vafa, Iranian mathematical physicist
* Nima Arkani-Hamed, American-born Iranian physicist
* Abdel Nasser Tawfik, Egyptian-born German Particle Physisist

That's pretty fast typing there, Belisarius, or did you copypaste? If so, crediting others' writing or compilation is usually expected.

Wow, interesting list Belisarius. I picked ONE at random and did a little search. Here's what I found:

Shapur ibn Sahl (also written Sabur ibn Sahl) was a ninth century Persian Christian physician from the Academy of Gundishapur.

You also included Omar Khayyam, another notorious unbeliever. Nice try. By the way, pretty much all of the "Muslim" scientists and physicians were Persians, coming from a Persian intellectual tradition. What you see in that list is the last gasp of a superior earlier culture that Islam destroyed by the 12th century at the latest.

That's some funny stuff belisarius. It's also the first and last time we'll ever see any of those names associated with anything useful.

While you're at it, find one shred of evidence that Pierre Omidyar is a practising muslim.

Belisarius by listing the above you only proved mine and others point: no Muslim comes tripping off your fingertips with a brief explanation of why he, or even more improbably she, is a significant global figure. This is more of a tragic thing than a something to deride IMO.

was this made with a "random muslim sounding name generator"?

we don't seem to study them here, any more than they study "freedom" there.

many of these names may be from the average grade 8 class in Medina.
er... they have grade 8 ?

further Belisarius... Kate's search seemed to be for literary giants.

you've listed how many? none? Draw a large circle, like a zero, but don't put anything in it. That's how many.

how about "Tales of Arabian Nights" ?
mainly Persian short stories, some interesting, but giant? nope.

I got a hit:

The Scientific Achievements of the Greatest Islamic Genius ever born. Ibn Baaz:

Including, 'the Earth is flat and motionless.'

Ibn Baaz’s books are always best-sellers within the Muslim world only. The most famous of his discoveries is that which is stated in the book named, “Evidence that the Earth is Standing Still.” This scientific research work was published by the Islamic University of Medina, Saudi Arabia, in 1974. On page 23 of this academic research, he talked about his brilliant discovery and cited many references from the Koran and Ahadith. He confidently challenged the age-old belief of earth’s rotation and quoted as follows:

“If the earth is rotating as they claim, the countries, the mountains, the trees, the rivers, and the oceans will have no bottom and the people will see the eastern countries move to the west and the western countries move to the east."

Parvez Hoodbhoy mentioned the above valuable scientific conclusion of Ibn Baz, in his book "Islam and Science: Religious Orthodoxy and the Battle for Rationality". On page 49, he wrote:
".. The Sheikh (Abdul Aziz Ibn Baz) authored ... a book in Arabic entitled Jiryan Al-Shams Wa Al-Qammar Wa-Sukoon Al-Arz. This translates into Motion of the Sun and Moon, and Stationarity of the Earth

Again, during 1993, the fertile Islamic brain of this Muslim genius again started working overtime. On one fine morning, the great genius opened his personal copy of the Holy Koran, pulled out some scientific miracles from Allah’s Holy book and came out with a new discovery that ‘earth is flat’. This was recorded by Carl Sagan in his book “The Demon-haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark”. Sagan wrote:

“In 1993, the supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia, Sheik Abdel-Aziz ibn Baaz, issued a edict, or fatwah, declaring that the world is flat. Anyone of the round persuasion does not believe in God and should be punished.''

Soon the whole world (except the infidels and civilized Muslims) started accepting the new scientific discovery. For example; on the 12th of February, 1995, on an A-14 page, an article was published under the title “Muslim Edicts take on New Force”, where Yousef Mohammad Ibrahim wrote "The earth is flat. Whoever claims it is round is an atheist deserving of punishment."

This great scholar held the position of Grand Mufti of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Head of the Council of Ulema (Senior Scholars) - 1993 to 1999 CE. This position is given to the highest official of religious law in a Sunni Muslim country. The Grand Mufti issues legal opinions and edicts, fatwa, on interpretations of Islamic law, both for assisting judges in deciding cases as well as for private clients.

Other remarkable achievements of the scholar include the following (Saudi Gazette, 1999; Riyadh Daily, 1999; Arab News, 1999). He was:

Vice President, and later President of the Islamic University in Medina, 1960 CE to 1970 CE
Chairman of the government department of Scientific Research and Ifta (guidance) with the rank of Minister. 1974 H to 1993 H.
President of the Permanent Committee for Islamic Research and Fataawa.
Judge of Kharj For 14 years ,
Honorable teacher amongst faculty of Shariah [Islamic Law] of Riyadh Institute of Science from 1951 CE to 1960 CE.

In 1981, he was awarded the King Faisal International Prize for Service to Islam. The death of this genius was a great loss not only to Saudi Arabia, but also to the whole Muslim world. When this great scholar died, the loss of "his erudition and reputation for intransigence" was so great the Saudi government was said to have "found itself staring into a vacuum" unable to find a figure able to "fill bin Baaz's shoes." (Kepel, 2004). ‘Arab News’ reported (1999) that more than fifty thousand people came forward to carry his body to his burial ground at Makkah, while millions of Muslims performed funeral prayers. King Fahd said that the Islamic world was shocked at hearing the sad news (Arab News, 1999).

You should be FAIR guys, you say you can't find any muslim scientific contributions when using google search engine, and this IS NOT true. I have found more than 500,000 matches.

When you want to judge something, know it first before you do so.

Finally, I always say: Don't look at Muslims' actions when you wanna judge Islam. But, look at Islam itself, and compare it with other religions. Unfortunatley, Many Muslims misrepresent ISLAM.

For more information, Don't hesitate to contact me:
teacher.omarali@gmail.com

An amazing list Belisarius >

If the list is accurate why would anyone in the world including most realistic Muslims believe that Islam has anything more to offer the west other than bombs, terrorists, conversion of our laws and Dhimmi servitude?

Lets face it, without oil, Arab Muslims would in the year 2008 be doing nothing more interesting than herding goats and camels in empty deserts. They would remain fighting and killing each other clan to clan and abusing their women and children as they have been since the inception of Islam when the abuses were written into a legitimizing book of laws.

The remaining Muslim countries will always resemble the world’s ass-ends that survive on western aid and misplaced lefty sentimentality.

If fundamentalist Islam ever achieves its goal of world dominance and takes over the lands of the west, we can all be assured that everything that resembles today’s advancements of the west will crumble to a shadow of itself.

No more aid will be forthcoming to the rest of the “undeveloped world” to be sure. No one will feed Africa for example. Great literary works will be complete fabrications of history written in the propaganda hand of the new Muslim literary giants. Therefore I believe your list is amazing and completely hollow. Islam has nothing for us.

There is always the famous Muslim surgeon who invented the clitorectimy. But I am pretty sure he is on that list already.

"But look what the Jews have done.

Nobel prize winners. How can this be?

* Chemistry (29 prize winners, 19% of world total, 28% of US total)
* Economics (25 prize winners, 41% of world total, 55% of US total)
* Literature (13 prize winners, 13% of world total, 27% of US total)
* Peace (9 prize winners, 9% of world total, 10% of US total)3
* Physics (47 prize winners, 26% of world total, 38% of US total)
* Physiology or Medicine (53 prize winners, 28% of world total, 41% of US total)"

Easy to do when you've stacked the judging in your favour.

As for Muslim literary greats, aren't we forgetting Omar Khayyám, to name one?

"Islmic literature" taht is word you can start with it

I did not know read contents of wilkipedea i only liked the some refercne of their information
the bes source look for Muslim source direcly
i will let you know the best source
in my next post.
Islam is the greatest relgion

is link with countries
and year of Islam enter to each Muslim countreis

all literature mathematic. art, geometry
and so many are created
but the marketing of so many still are not
translated to English or link with googl or
yaho or etc..

it does not meant they do not have any smart nice
job done but it was not communicate with west to
market their value with standard of west marketing

the one of weaknes I found in comparison of Jewish and Muslim are how those Jewish adopt themselve to show they are look smart
whiel Muslim are samrter but becuse tehy are not communicate with west of all war reason
they west think that Muslim not have anything

you can find as an exmaple so many profesor and phd studnet from arab counties who are in research dept in Canada

Muslim are hard working people
but not understood by west
we blame we are so differnt cultur
as how we can talk when we ban so many thing
you allowed it

when woman are cover and woman are mostly are we would say are naked or when we donot drink or not eat pork then hwo we can have social togehter

people form eating party are like each otehr
whiel west chrisitan and jewish are easy can go to party in the sme party muslim are not welcome
we do not like your party which not allow byus
but it does not hid the fact Muslim are smart
in doing so many good job in scinece knwoledge busines etc.
if west cut some of hteir bad culture and cut the drinking alchold while they are communite with Muslim the problme wil be resolve
we can not cut our law to drink in your party thoguh

Islam is perfec relgion
some times when you study
Muslim literature and coutnreis of Muslim
like Iran Literature or Persian ( iranian) literature is may join betwen culture and Isalm
therefore you msut know the islam to understand hwo those literature are link with islam or some may not link with isalm but only it is culture

here is some site you jsut start but
we have so many
study of
Hazrat SadeQ ( ra) he was one of smartes
source of study you can study and learn alot from this Imam Sadeq to know alot about Islam literature
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_literature

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_literature

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_literature

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_literature

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_culture

http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/default.asp?url=Arabic.htm

Al-Serat Islam, the Qur'an and the Arabic Literature

Elsayed M.H Omran
Vol XIV No. 1 , Spring 1988
Since the advent of Islam and the revelation of the Qur'an in the early years of the seventh century AD, the Muslim Holy Book has been the subject of many extensive analytical studies. The focus of the great majority of these studies has been the theological and legislative aspects of the Holy Book, for the Qur'an provides Muslims with detailed guidance on their everyday problems. Together with the sayings, actions, and recommendations of Muhammad, the Qur'an has been the ultimate source of legal authority for Muslims over the past fourteen centuries. Muslim scholars have painstakingly examined, analyzed and interpreted the various verses of the Holy Book, detailing the requirements the Qur'an imposes on Muslims in order for them to achieve spiritual purity. Thus, in addition to its legislative and theological value, the Qur'an has also served as a source of spiritual guidance for the followers of Islam.

There is, however, another aspect of the Qur'an which has received far less attention than its theological and legislative guidance, namely its linguistic significance, for the Qur'an was undoubtedly the first book to be composed in Arabic. The advent of Islam and the revelation of the Qur'an have had far-reaching effects on the status, the content, and the structure of the Arabic language.

Islam and Arabic: a unique relationship

The revelation of the Qur'an in Arabic set the scene for a unique and lasting relationship between the language and Islam. On the one hand, Arabic provided a very effective medium for communicating the message of the religion. On the other hand, Islam helped Arabic to acquire the universal status which it has continued to enjoy since the Middle Ages, emerging as one of the principal world languages. It has been argued that Arabic has not simply remained 'ancilliary to Islam' [2] but that it has also been significant as a means of 'cultural and national revival in the Arabic-speaking countries.' [3] Arabic is a rich and expressive language and has played an important role in the cultural preservation of the Arabic-speaking people. However, without the bond it has had with Islam, Arabic would probably not have undergone the internal revolution it did, nor expanded beyond the borders of the Arabian Peninsula with such speed and magnitude.

The relationship of Islam and the Qur'an to Arabic involves more than just the use of a language to communicate a divine message. There are a number of factors which set this relationship apart from that which exists between other holy books and the languages in which they appeared, for Arabic has come to be closely associated with Islam, and in this way has acquired a semi-official status. It is implicit that anyone professing Islam cannot ignore the role Arabic plays in his faith.

The Qur'an: Muhammad's strongest argument

It has often been argued that the Qur'an is not only the first book, and the highest linguistic achievement, of the Arabic language, but that it is also Muhammad's strongest argument against those who doubted his Message. The question that needs to be addressed here concerns the reason why a holy book, a composition of language, should be hailed as Islam's (and Muhammad's) strongest argument. [4] The point has sometimes been made that other prophets had more tangible miracles. In the case of Muhammad, however, the miracle was not comparable to Moses' staff or Christ's healing powers, but was simply the expression in language of the Qur'an.

To understand why Muhammad's strongest argument or miracle was a book, the Holy Qur'an, it is necessary to understand the role language and linguistic composition played in the lives of the pre-Islamic Arabs. It is also important to understand the nature of the Arabic language itself during the pre-Islamic period. This understanding will help to show why the revelation of the Qur'an through Muhammad found attentive ears among his contemporaries, who not only were articulate users of the language but held those skilled in the arts of linguistic composition in high esteem. [5]

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http://www.al-islam.org/search.php?selected_tab=discover&having=570039&cat=0&sid=115930917

do search engine to find more about Islam
and Islam literature

289 SAYINGS OF IMAM 'ALI (AS)

Translated by HI Shaykh Arif Abdulhussain assisted by
Shaykh Mahmood Dhala and Sayed Sami' Razavi.


I. He said to his son al-Hasan (peace be with them both) 0 son, learn about four things and so long as you act in accordance with what you learn harm from these will not come to you. The richest wealth is intellect. The greatest poverty is foolishness. The biggest damnation is due to vanity. The noblest descent is through the excellence of morals. 0 son, be wary of befriending a foolish man for although wanting to give you benefit he will cause you harm. Refrain from befriending a miser for he will distance himself from you at the time of your need. Do not befriend a libertine for he will sell you for a petty sum. Do not befriend a liar for he is like a mirage that causes that which is distant to appear close and that which is near distant.

II. The doer of good is better than it and the doer of evil is worse than it.

III. Be magnanimous but not a profligate; appraise but be not a miser.

IV. Proximity to Allah cannot be gained through voluntary devotion if they falter with obligations.

V. The words of a wise man are behind his heart while the heart of a fool is behind his words.

VI. The most illustrious wealth is the abandoning of [false] hope.

VII. He who is swift in doing to the people that which they dislike is talked about by them in accordance with their imagination.

VIII. An evil deed, which causes repentance, is better in the sight of Allah than a noble deed that brings about conceit.

IX. He who entertains lengthy hopes does so by sacrificing the performance of good.

X. The worth of a man is in accordance with his resolve, his veracity is in accordance with his sense of honour, his bravery is in accordance with his sense of pride and his chastity is in accordance with his self-respect.

http://almahdi.4t.com/hadith/index.html

www.
al-islam.org/nahj/

www.

al-islam.org/mot/historiography/

Today, over 1.5 billion people across the world adhere to the faith of Islam. They are called Muslims, i.e. those who submit to the will of God.

The history of Islam starts from Prophet Adam. Muslims believe in all prophets sent by God, including Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (may peace be upon them all).

Unfortunately, today Islam has been maligned both by those who claim to profess it and those who don’t. Despite this, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world today.Instead try to learn and understand more about this faith yourself. Find out and make your own informed decision about Islam.

Islāmic thought » Islāmic philosophy » The Eastern philosophers » The teachings of Avicenna » Distinction between essence and existence and the doctrine of creation
Avicenna had learned from certain hints in al-Fārābī that the exoteric teachings of Plato regarding
Islam :: Literature -- Britannica Online EncyclopediaIn literature, drama and pure fiction were not allowed—drama because it was a .... The Five Pillars of Islam serve as a behavioural staple of Islamic life...
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Wow, that's impressive. Considering that without western innovation you'd be writing all that on a goat skin, with some blood on a stick, I'd have to disagree that Islam is greatest religion.

Why can't you see the obvious, moh/roger? You'd never be out of the stoneage without western help. Even the weapons you're trying to kill us with are not of your own making. You are raiders, nothing else. Since the dawn of your religion, you've been raiding, and stealing what you weren't smart enough to create on your own. That will never change. If the day comes when you win this war, that will be the end of all advancement of the human race.

at 6:30 pm
"Even the weapons you're trying to kill us with are not of your own making. You are raiders, nothing else"

this is exactly the answer to your point it means I do not need to explain this time more to you becaue you already answer me in your own wording whil you are too stupid act to not see it because you are ignorant

as you saying you made weapen first nd try to kill us nad now we take that gun and we defend outself that is real true story

but why you creat that weapon becuase you are ignorant and not agree with real fact and liked to destroy taht by force of gun but never this was succed but also now this is turn back time
we do not let you use this weapna agains us any more
---
regard to view of religon also:
nothing was brand new some steps and stairs was there we just made next step up toward god

Islam came not out of blue
as Christinity didnot out of blue

that was mission started from previous prophet and the only job of prophet mohamd was to completed and if you chang
YES that is fine let drink we cut that it
yes taht is fine we can eat pork as Moses baned it Mohamad did back and said NO you can not eat porkt

the touch up with some advantage of previous prophet was job of prophet mohamde
it was not brand new inventure it was complet the job or previous one as Abrhaam was started
even if you do ancestory of those propeht came from the same ancestor group

even look at all new team work in university you can not like past saying this guy creat electricity but also group are workign to made new innovation created

It was not wet to creat knwledge
if you study geometry I am very good in geomatry
the father for geomatry and Mathematic are mostly are Muslim people

then tehy used it and upgrad it

therefore in order to use your brain you need to have peace
you never able to think when you are in war
as war time you will result of all dummy in Iraq

understand and learn knowledge need environemtn taht environmetn take from us from captilsim in west for you to make mony and power to not let us live normal life there

I even can find you list of all peom was there
in time of Muslim and before that and how Islam
change mind of peope in their literature
but you can do more research

I just give you some start up and how to start more research about literature of Islam

but you have to take your blind eyes to able to read those literature with blind ignorant eyes never able to see the fact but try to hide it or lie about it and belittle us while never work
anymore
what i guid you how to start to know about Isam
is from your own books and dictionary and Muslim dictionay

it take you two years if you start this month to know Islam literature in some mid range if you read average 2 to 3 hours daily.
with take curtain remove from your eyes as the first step

Moh >

Very impressive and eloquent representations of your “beauty in Islam”. Well done!

Now fuck off! We’re not interested.

We are an educated society, well versed and in 2008 a well travel society. No more bullshit is needed to convince the western locals that Islam is in no way compatible with our way of life. Thank you.

You may leave our lands at your leisure for the present. Shortly you will be assisted.

Watch and learn goat boy.

Jesus H Christ in a chicken basket. Muslims can't even write their own blog comments without Western help. Nice copy-n-pasting, moh.

SDK is no. 2 jump from 5 to 2

this is proof since my arrival I helped in small degree to let nonMuslim understand
islam
and this lead to more people come in SDK to read about Isalm or otehr thing
Islam is the best I told you
people are curious to know Islam recently
but know law is also is important too

===========================
"Muslim literary giants:
No result found in google
in English Language
you must try other words to find it
all literary ar enot necessay called it Muslim

for example in our Muslim country we are not keep saying we are Muslim we are saying we come from certian country of origin

out side of Muslim countries matter of Muslimand nonMuslim is said so much

therefore you need to look for countries their culture are mostly got from the religion backgroun when Muslim wrote the poem tehy wrote based on belif

whie soem may be live in Muslim countrues but not really practice Muslim as well therfore biography of writer is important to read who is writer of the book is before you know he talk Islam or he talk his own belif
=========
that is reason you may think
then nothing avaiable

it is better travel to Muslim country to know
amazing of Mslim literary

even in some country there is referenc library
in some city taht you are not allowed to bring book out except copy some pages

you can found history book that explain how big and giant are this history of Islam

but you want English then we must refernce you for some source to read it that is all.

BTW
SDK came in no. 2 jump from 5 to 2

but new guy
Robert Jago's monthly ranking of Canadian political blogs is:Michael Geist
is no. 1 becasue he is phd in law
now people like to know more about law

========================

http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/canadas-top-25-political-blogs-august/

Right so, here are the rankings for August, 2008. Explanation at the top of the page.:

1 Michael Geist | Pr 7 | Alexa: 231,517 | –

2 Small Dead Animals | Pr 6 | Alexa: 170,874 | JR 5

3 Steyn on Line | Pr 6 | Alexa: 209,973 | JR 1

4 Matthew Good.org | Pr 6 | Alexa: 236,44 | JR 2

5 Daimnation | Pr 6 | Alexa: 404,662 | JR 3

6 Ezra Levant | Pr 5 | Alexa: 165,281 | JR 4

7 Five Feet of Fury | Pr 5 | Alexa: 187,422 | JR 10

8 Bow. James. Bow. | Pr 5 | Alexa: 264,478 | –

9 The Shotgun Blog | Pr 5 | Alexa: 317,970 | JR 13

10 A Dime a Dozen Political Blog | Pr 5 | Alexa: 319,702 | –

11 Ghost of a Flea | Pr 5 | Alexa: 340,587 | JR 12

12 Genxat40 | Pr 5 | Alexa: 361,420 | JR 6

13 Canadian Cynic | Pr 5 | Alexa: 376,707 | JR 7

14 Abandoned Stuff | Pr 5 | Alexa: 389,627 | JR 8

15 Dawg’s Blog | Pr 5 | Alexa: 475,847 | JR 25

16 Bene Diction Blogs On | Pr 5 | Alexa: 552,888 | JR 14

17 Warren Kinsella | Pr 5 | Alexa: 553,823 | JR 24

18 Garth Turner | Pr 5 | Alexa: 658,191 | JR 9

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in number one in month of August people shift to lawyer people recently some lawyer tried to gain credit since I heard lawyer in past lost lot of their credit in Canada for miscondut and lie so much but now they are try to gain some credit now.

Dr. Michael Geist is a law professor at the University of Ottawa where he holds the Canada Research Chair of Internet and E-commerce Law. He has obtained a Bachelor of Laws (LL.B.) degree from Osgoode Hall Law School in Toronto, Master of Laws (LL.M.) degrees from Cambridge University in the UK and Columbia Law School in New York, and a Doctorate in Law (J.S.D.) from Columbia Law School.

Dr. Geist has written numerous academic articles and government reports on the Internet and law and is a columnist on technology law issues that regularly appears in the Toronto Star, Ottawa Citizen, Vancouver Sun, and BBC. He is the creator and consulting editor of BNA's Internet Law News, a daily Internet law news service, editor of the monthly newsletters, Internet and E-commerce Law in Canada and the Canadian Privacy Law Review (Butterworths), the founder of the Ontario Research Network for E-commerce, on the advisory boards of several leading Internet law publications including Electronic Commerce & Law Report (BNA), the Journal of Internet Law (Aspen) and Internet Law and Business (Computer Law Reporter). He is the author of the textbook Internet Law in Canada (Captus Press) which is now in its third edition, and the editor of In the Public Interest: The Future of Canadian Copyright Law, published in 2005 by Irwin Law.

Dr. Geist serves on the Privacy Commissioner of Canada’s Expert Advisory Board and maintains privacyinfo.ca, a leading privacy law resource. His work has been recognized with several important awards including the 2008 Electronic Frontier Foundation Pioneer Award, the 2003 Public Leadership Award from Canarie for his contribution to the Internet in Canada, and the 2002 Canadian Association of Law Teachers Scholarly Paper Award. In 2003, he was named one of Canada Top 40 Under 40.

Dr. Geist has served on the director and advisory boards of several Internet and IT law organizations including spending six years on the board of the Canadian Internet Registration Authority, the dot-ca administrative agency, and three years with the Public Interest Registry , which manages the dot-org domain. He currently serves on the Open Society Institute's Information Program Sub-Board, was a member of Canada’s National Task Force on Spam, and the former chair of a global Internet jurisdiction project for the American Bar Association and International Chamber of Commerce. He is regularly quoted in the national and international media on Internet law issues and has appeared before many government committees on copyright, telecom, privacy, and e-commerce policy.

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I do not know what is 170,874 means by?
out of what number unit they count this number?
how they can find out who is first who is second?

To be fair to moh, regurgitate is a more modern word than rhetoric.

But moh, while you're on the topic of who's done what, spare a thought for my tiny slice of humanity, the Scots?

moh >

To be polite……………..

Islam eats itself and kills it own.

We as western nations have thrived and excelled over Muslim societies without its influence or ideals and have thus become the explorers of this planet and cosmos.

Islam historically or today can do nothing beneficial for us in the west. Islam today can only drag us centuries into the past. Do you understand?

Muslim go away. We will wake you up when we arrive! Really.

Let\'s try \"Racist White Bitch Brainless Bloggers In Saskatchewan\" Hey, look at that-1 match.

Enough with the muslims taking credit for geometry and mathematics. Geometry was around for at least 800 years before mohammed was born. The persians were an advanced culture before islam came along, but you ruined it.

Please don't let them ruin this country like they've done to the middle east, south asia, and most of europe. I'm begging the government of Canada to make them obey our laws, or send them home. Allowing them to apply their stoneage beliefs here will result in a civil war.

people describe some Muslim countries
before and after Islam but what they may
say is depend where the write is sitting and write those books.

my idea the racisim in west bring world backward it was not Islam who did that

look at all war in world and reason for that war
captialsim for make money and power and add more billion are destroy human life of too many other nation chineese japinees vitnam and Muslim are victims of that act

but if you read below web page explain more about how racist start in west
you are walking backward it is not islam fault is . this is your falult

http://www.geocities.com/globalghetto/

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you and part of media try to explain taht is our fault while look at black look all hunger in Africa adn wrold war all has real reason behind is is WEST racisim and ignornat for power money and belittle other nations as their enjoyment

I know at least 100 phd student visa studne who came here and finished hteir phd and back home countries and they were top of universit of Toronto in science and knwoledge and Muslims still are smart in math physic chemstry
but some area since they are poor in laborator are not top in certain subject nwo but theory of so many scient only count on Muslim knowlege

Islam do not let built the science o war and weapen desruciton of talking about is made byyou in west and then blame us in Middle east
taht is ridiculs
Islam do not let put humuntiy down to made science grow for increase more weapne as we see in west to send people to moon and let peopel stay hungry in Africa in irony with it

"Islam do not let put humuntiy down to made science grow for increase more weapne as we see in west to send people to moon and let peopel stay hungry in Africa in irony with it"

that's right moh, you just chop their heads off, rape, pillage, plunder!! go mohammmadan go!!

Can I ask Kelly
most Canadian woman before marriage
how many men sleep with them?
how many see thier body part naked or half naked
in beaches ?

and How many see this act as normal course of action which normal act ?
ther is not reason some one rape you because you
already made yourself avaialbe for them to touch your body free of charg?
do you enjoy being with too many men before marriage? is your religon allow you?
do you know meaning of racisim?

if you give me only count of it then I will go then.I promise I go after this question with no comment in this section

ther is not reason some one rape you because you already made yourself avaialbe for them to touch your body free of charg?

You would think this comment would be the basis for a complaint to the HRC, but you would be wrong, I guess.

Contrast with the mild efforts of the Roman Catholic Church to surpress Amazon.com's book by Charles Webb "Sex With the Virgin Mary". At the highest levels of civilization terrorism is just not an option.

And with that "uncovered meat" comment, we are to believe that the resident, uninvited, multiple personality Muslim is a moderate?

The ongoing and historical problem is that there is no moderate Quran, Hadith and Sira. Mohammad was history's worst war criminal and his ideology of hate is still in force.

Hey heye, Moh, whatever - In the ignoble Krayon, what did Mohammad mean about women when he said "those whom your right hand possess"?