does that say "pride and deception"?

the words and the message are a little blurry to me.

ExACTLY. How dare Obama act like a Republican, trotting out religion to curry favour among voters?

Next thing you know, he'll be talking up the benefits of pork, running up huge deficits, invading countries to get access to oil, buying a ranch to pretend to be a rancher, and other Republican standard planks and platforms!!

"My... me... me my... me... me... me...". And he wants to lead we? Feh.

Leaking it for public consumption was NOT act of pride, and it was the RIGHT and JUST thing to do for God's Instrument.

Obama is for sale to anyone and for any price. He is an empty suit that spews whatever George Soros and the Left has written. Without this script, Obama is a bumbling fool, stuttering for even one coherent thought.

Obama is stage managed brilliantly. His wife, Das Bitch, isn't nearly as trainable!

His wife, Das B*tch, isn't nearly as trainable!

That's a little harsh. I'll bet she's actually quite nice.

If it's true that Obama orchestrated this whole thing, it just takes cynicism to new depths. He's the uber politician. Nothing is real; everything is a show -- really a new low for politics and politicians.

On King David Hotel stationary yet! Guess he didn't have a business card handy.

...oh, and Lord, the number is at the bottom. Just leave a message at the front desk if 'we' have already left for Berlin.

"Hello Maariv? Obama here---'Der Adler ist gelandet'.

I think Das Bitch is closer to reality and Obama is an empty suit only a liberal could love.

What a bunch of morons liberals are. Check out Rush's site (pay access) for "Barak, the Magic Negro" song, hilarious.

Kate. The question should be "Is there nothing that Obama "won't" do?

It is better to talk to god to write to god
if you talk to god and like other to hear it intentionaly is not your pray isnot accepted

you must talk with god not to show up your love to the god

if you pray god you do not need to pretned it buf if you go in pray god as Muslim do
when god see all people every day say GOD names and pray them it will encourage other to trun to god when or before need come

but it is humor and kind man if Obama means it

Muslim are praying to god 5 times in morning in noon and afternoon and Magrab and and next after that it means all the time Muslim must remind of god but pray of Muslim are qucik is not take so much of their time butkeep them recognizable they are Muslim

Only Islam relgion pray in maximum time per day to god and ONLY one god

"Barry" wrote this, and stuffed it in the wall, while all those around him watched (in awe?) and he had no inkling that someone else would take this note, and pass it off as genuine.

I don't believe the newspaper that published this is playing into his hands.
it seems everyone knows now, how it came to be "released"

Oh my God, the entire left world follows this man and believes all it sees?
we're doomed.

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Matthew 6:5-6

OMG, you guys are right!
How could Obama be considered fit to rule a nation?

He has just confessed in his own handwriting that he believes in, and is indeed guided by, an imaginary allpowerful superbeing that lives in the sky.

"And make me an instrument of your will"

Sounds like a nutjob to me.

I think Jesus had something to say about blowing your own trumpet ,looking Religious & righteous. Only surprised he didn't pray it aloud to with an band in the background. The big O does it again!! Poof he produces nothing from nothing, that looks like something.

Wow this guy has a clever team around him. They are playing the media and vast swaths of voters with elegant skill. Obama pokes a note in a wall, and to all eyes wanders unwittingly off. Behind the scenes the campaign machine executes their strategy to capture the singular image they want. The image that Obama is a Christian. In one stroke speculation he might be a muslim at heart suffers a mortal wound. He'll get away with it as well. He is the latest teflon politician.

They are selling images to a public that craves images. And they are doing a superb job of it.

Rock concert attracts 200K people, one well crafted line in a vacuous speech = one picture of Obama in front of a sea of adoring Europeans and a punch line.

He seems to be surfing the same type of political wave that swept Trudeau into power. Hitler road one like it too for that matter. I think it is a cinch that Obama will do significant damage to the concept on which the US was founded if he gets into power. For the US's sake, I hope this socialist/marxist loses.

Leaked? A student removed it from the wall.

A spokesperson claimed? Give a name and date and time when the Obama campaign pre-approved that the note could be removed from the wall then its contents published.

Let's put a stop to the two minute hate and just think about what an awesome and unholy invasion of privacy this was.

"Let's put a stop to the two minute hate and just think about what an awesome and unholy invasion of privacy this was."

Gee Arthur, the Maariv spokesperson claims there are two sides to the story. That's all. Its not hate to debate the issue.

As for privacy, if you saw the clip of Obama putting the note in the wall you'll understand that it doesn't hold many notes. They obviously have a system for cleaning notes out the wall frequently. I you want privacy you'd best not leave a note at the wall. Cleaning staff, students or gosh even someone coaxed by campaign staff might just pull it out of there and show it to the world.

arthur a @ 6:19 - "...claimed? Give a name and date and time when the Obama campaign pre-approved that the note ..."

Well, the newspaper is clearly stating that they had authorisation. They aren't waffling at all, even in the light of possible breach of law relating to respect for holy places.

I will never give the media these days a carte-blanche for the "truth", regardless of which side they seem to come from. But when a journalist does make a clear and actionable statement that can be easily disproved, me thinks there is something to it.

...awesome and unholy invasion of privacy this was... Hmmmm, me thinks you doth protest too much! In a couple of days, after we will still have heard absolutely no CLEAR refutation of authorising this release (not some waffle like "not cleared for publication") of this from the obama camp then you can borrow my pry-bar to remove that foot from your mouth, or a&&, whichever the case may be.

Plus, lest you forget the most notable fact about the whole privacy thing, how the hell can you claim that when he brought the whole world with him, via the media? Talk about hypocrisy!!

Private, my a&&, this whole thing was orchestrated from the start!

I do find it interesting though, the number of lefties that come around and defend obama's public religion as being a good and private thing but yet fell that they can still call bush delusional bible thumper!!!

Ahh, yes, I understand, if you abuse religion to gain political power that is OK, as long as you clearly don't believe or adhere to it (wink, wink : the ends justifies the means).

BTW, arthur, do you love obama as a candidate, if so, can you tell me, oh say, three of his main policies? No cliches please: what are three of his policies in plain english that state, with some facts and details what he intends to do as president?

I've heard of great presidential speechwriters....but prayerwriters?
Obama is a fraud.

There are great presidential speechwriters and there are great presidential prayerwriters?
Obama is a fraud.

Freedom of religion, blah blah blah. How about some freedom FROM religion?

In a true democracy, bringing up the deity you worship during an election would be illegal. My dream is that one day we can have a national election where religion is never mentioned once.

IN MY DREAMS, NOT!

The words are certainly consistent with Scripture. The thoughts contained within the first two sentences are throughout the Psalms and elsewhere. James 1:5 first comes to my mind as the basis for the 3rd sentence.
But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.

Romans 6:12-14 is the basis for the last sentence.
12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
13and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
14For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Yet like Revnant Dream and TimR, I am skeptical of his motives. I remember a recent thread on the Shotgun between Terrance Watson and Dr. Dawg where Dawg wanted to know where conservatives were with respect to the aftermath of the Katrina hurricane. I cannot speak for the conservatives who are not of the Christian persuasion, but for those of us who are, our activities for the benefit of the Katrina sufferers provided through our local churches/assemblies/congregations are not to be hidden from public inspection but nor do we feel a need to announce our efforts to the public.

"Rich Lowry
If elected, Barack Obama might make history in more ways than one. He will be the country's first black president,"
But, Lowry says, "Born in Hawaii to a black Kenyan father and white Kansan mother". (FR)

How could Him be black when Him had a white mother/black father?
Has Him rewritten/suspended Creationism, too?

Will someones please clarify. The mulatto vote wants to know.

"Gee Arthur, the Maariv spokesperson claims there are two sides to the story. That's all. Its not hate to debate the issue."

Which would be fine, except you've taken this vague claim and then ran with it as if it were true. See your comment at July 29, 2008 3:30 AM

"As for privacy, if you saw the clip of Obama putting the note in the wall you'll understand that it doesn't hold many notes. They obviously have a system for cleaning notes out the wall frequently. I you want privacy you'd best not leave a note at the wall. Cleaning staff, students or gosh even someone coaxed by campaign staff might just pull it out of there and show it to the world."

They do have a system. It's fairly strict about these notes never being seen by anyone but the writer and their maker. Decent human beings respect this covenant.

"Well, the newspaper is clearly stating that they had authorisation. They aren't waffling at all, even in the light of possible breach of law relating to respect for holy places."

THe police have already said no crime occurred and there will be no investigation. Since when is "we were told it was ok" a clear statement? Who said that? When? What exactly was said? How could he have pre-authorized the release of the note if some student just walked up and took it? Wouldn't that mean he knew the student would take it, knew it would get given to the papers, so pre-authorized its publication? Then, apparently all the other papers decided not to publish it, or report on Obama giving authorization in advance of it having been taken from the wall? ... What? Talk about a tinfoil hat conspiracy.

"when a journalist does make a clear and actionable statement that can be easily disproved, me thinks there is something to it."

How do you disprove "we were told we could do it?" Why should you have to "disprove" that. Think about the whole Bush abandoned his national guard committment story. That's a claim that can be disproved. But we asked that CBS prove it. So they offered up some memos... which turned out to be fake. Now this crap paper is saying "we were told we could publish this note", ok, so prove it. Show the email. Produce the recording. Give the name of the person who authorized it and the name of the reporter who was given authorization.

"In a couple of days, after we will still have heard absolutely no CLEAR refutation of authorising this release (not some waffle like "not cleared for publication") of this from the obama camp then you can borrow my pry-bar to remove that foot from your mouth"

What else could they say? I say it was cleared. Are they supposed to say John never cleared it? I mean, what are you asking them to deny? And why is your burden of proof so messed up that its on the Obama campaign to prove they never authorized the release, when if it's actually true, it should be so darn simply to prove it is true. Name and date of person who said 'x'.

, or a&&, whichever the case may be.

"how the hell can you claim that when he brought the whole world with him, via the media? Talk about hypocrisy!! Private, my a&&, this whole thing was orchestrated from the start!"

There you go. The reason you want Obama to prove it wasn't released was because you assume it's true. A vague denial on the part of this slimbag paper and you're on board.

"I do find it interesting though, the number of lefties that come around and defend obama's public religion as being a good and private thing but yet fell that they can still call bush delusional bible thumper!!!"

Sorry, I must have mistyped that... wait a tic...hmmm.. can't find where I said that at all.

As for the campaign 3 bullet points or some such nonsense, what does that have to do with this? Why do I have to be a lefty or Obama supporter to hate what this paper did to him. Or, why do I have to be a rabid bush hater to demand proof from any journalist making a claim like this.

We demanded proof from CBS with the National Guard Memos, and is it ever a good thing we did, because they were fake. Now it's time this paper produce the proof that they were authorized to publish this note to God if by some unfortunate chance a stupid student should happen to steal it from the wall.

You know, I thought Clinton was a scumbag with his little stunt of arranging the stones into a cross on the D-Day beach in France, but this takes the cake.

Using your note in the Wailing Wall as a campaign stunt? Gives a whole new meaning to the word "crass". Bubba is starting to look good.

It makes me laugh when Lefties complain about "commercialism", corporations having no respect for The Planet, or Christmas, or whatever. Here's your hero the Obamanator making those guys look like saints.

I'm scunnered.

I love how the Canadian left is crazy for Obama, and this 'prayer note' is proof of his goodness, but they can't stand it when Harper says, 'God bless, Canada'.

From the link... "Obama submitted a copy of the note to media outlets when he left his hotel in Jerusalem."

MEMO TO GOD
From: B. Obama
To: God
CC: World Media

Lord - Protect my family and me.

Forgive me my sins, and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will.

I always say the most important part of a memo is who is CC'd.

I suppose the King David Hotel stationery is intended as a slander of Netanyahu and Likud. SLOP -- standard liberal operating procedure. Still, I'm grateful Hussein didn't have his prayer incised on stone tablets.

"Only Islam relgion pray in maximum time per day to god and ONLY one god"

And only Islam curses Christians and Jews 17 times a day in those prayers.

Arthur - a second Israeli paper says it was offered the prayer by the Obama campaign and declined to publish it.

Using religion/God for your own gains is a mortal sin and is considered sacreligous. No price to high to serve one's ego/pride which is by the way one of the seven deadly sins.

Following on several themes here; if you or I wrote a prayer and stuck it up somewhere, would it make the media masturbate?
How WILL the American electorate receive this news...never mind; rhetorical question.
Why is it so important to everyone else (see the previous question) how Obama, or any other public person, expresses their religiosity publicly as opposed to privately.
Do YOU trust anyone who constantly and flagrantly flaunts their piety? (TV evangelists, past and present, come to mind...)

I am beginning to think that all McCain has to do is sit back and act like Her Majesty's Loyal Puffins, while Obama continues apace to gross out the majority of the American public.

He has now positioned himself to claim that he does what he does in God's name, being his instrument and all.

Think about that, nestled in a vessel that is demonstrably without principle.

Downright bloody scary.

Kate - Are you referring to Yediot Aharonot, who was offered the note by the student who swiped it, but declined?

If the content of the note was offered to newspapers before he put it in the wall, why would they need confirmation from the Obama campaign that it is his? They could just say, here's what he said his prayer would say, and here's the note and what it actually says.

They received a copy of the note in advance.

Nothing he can't do ? He can do anything.

He can even PO this, most unlikely of groups, with his pro Kyoto stand;

[Support for Canada's oil sands is coming from an unexpected American group--an anti-poverty coalition led by African-American civil rights and faith leaders.
The group is waging a national campaign targeting 50 "extreme" environmental organizations and 100 U. S. politicians it says are restricting energy supplies through climate-change legislation, causing oil prices to spike to levels that are "strangling" the poor.
Niger Innis, co-chairman of the "Stop The War On The Poor" campaign and national spokesman for the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), one of the oldest civil rights groups in the United States, said the alliance wants more oil from Canada's vast unconventional deposits.]

[...]

It is really hitting the fan now !! Will the media take note ? Because this Kyoto bashing comes from a non-"right" source ?

[Even presidential hopeful Barack Obama has said he would break America's addiction to "dirty, dwindling and dangerously expensive" oil if elected. The group challenged the top-ranking black representative in the U. S. Congress, Jim Clyburn, to a debate today in Washington, where Mr. Clyburn is launching a new commission to engage African-Americans on climate change.

Mr. Innis said African-Americans are more concerned about high energy prices, but many U. S. politicians are "being cowered by a very powerful, well-funded environmental extremist lobby that has a great deal of influence over them, and a great deal of influence over policy."

The alliance's strategy involves "outing" the extremist groups and the politicians it says are doing their bidding.]NP

Jeff Simpson take note.

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=686052

Nothing he can't do ? He can do anything.

He can even PO this, most unlikely of groups, with his pro Kyoto stand;

[Support for Canada's oil sands is coming from an unexpected American group--an anti-poverty coalition led by African-American civil rights and faith leaders.
The group is waging a national campaign targeting 50 "extreme" environmental organizations and 100 U. S. politicians it says are restricting energy supplies through climate-change legislation, causing oil prices to spike to levels that are "strangling" the poor.
Niger Innis, co-chairman of the "Stop The War On The Poor" campaign and national spokesman for the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), one of the oldest civil rights groups in the United States, said the alliance wants more oil from Canada's vast unconventional deposits.]

[...]

It is really hitting the fan now !! Will the media take note ? Because this Kyoto bashing comes from a non-"right" source ?

[Even presidential hopeful Barack Obama has said he would break America's addiction to "dirty, dwindling and dangerously expensive" oil if elected. The group challenged the top-ranking black representative in the U. S. Congress, Jim Clyburn, to a debate today in Washington, where Mr. Clyburn is launching a new commission to engage African-Americans on climate change.

Mr. Innis said African-Americans are more concerned about high energy prices, but many U. S. politicians are "being cowered by a very powerful, well-funded environmental extremist lobby that has a great deal of influence over them, and a great deal of influence over policy."

The alliance's strategy involves "outing" the extremist groups and the politicians it says are doing their bidding.]National Post

Jeff Simpson take note.

Kate; I totally agree.

I'm only surprised that the note didn't start out with :"Dear Dad".

Since the opposition publicly support terrorist groups while the MSM keeps their mouths shut; it delivers a profound message to the terrorists.

The Canadian MSM will sooner interview a terrorist which they have done, than interview victims of terrorists.
Don't be surprised that OSAMA makes an appearance on CBC or CTV to be interviewed-provided that the liberal party or NDP are in government.

Would it be a stretch to say the Western Media is more involved in promoting Leftist Politics than Tass & Pravda ever was ?

Kate - who is they? I'm not asking because I don't believe you. I'm asking because I can't find anybody corroborating the papers story. You apparently have, a rival paper or some such.

Great. I want to see the proof. It would be funny. So please... link me into the loop. What paper corroborated it?

But PS. doesn't that makes the newspapers actions even more despicable? They already had the content of the prayer, but they somehow felt the need to print the actual one? Why, if they already knew what it said, why remove it, or encourage its removal?

So .... Obama's campaign essentially has their boy praying for votes?

Arthur A, I'm sure that Obama would thank you for defending his honour, but a question for you...

Can you please provide a link to any posting or statement from Obama or his camp that the story about his camp okaying the use the prayer or offering the prayer to the papers is untrue? If they're not denying it, why are you demanding proof?

I checked Obama's website and they haven't identified this as a smear, nor have they talked about it in anyway. Since they aren't denying it, why are you?

Arthur - did you miss the words "pre-approved for international publication by the Obama campaign"

????

For those needing a non-hebrew source for Maariv claiming Obama approved it:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331112489&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

"In response, a Ma'ariv spokesman said that "Barack Obama's note was approved for publication in the international media even before he put in the Kotel, a short time after he wrote it at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. In any case, since Obama is not a Jew, publishing the note does not constitute an infringement on his right to privacy.""

it isn't like Obama's web control apparatus isn't on constant lookout for disinformation... if this is a smear Eeyore, someone from Barry's smear control committee will be on it like... well you know!

Those big ears seem to catch so many flies.

Kate - Let's be clear about the facts. (1) Obama visited the wall and inserted a prayer (2) Some kid took it and offered it to Maariv, who printed it (3) Maariv claims that because the note was pre-approved for release

Here's what I want cleared up:

(a) Was the content of the note given to newspapers before Obama inserted it into the wall? Maariv has claimed yes, anyone else? Link please.

(b) If the content of the note was given in advance, why would a newspaper print the copy taken out of the wall? Doesn't that implicitly endorse the actions of the kid who took it out?

"Another Israeli paper, Yediot Ahronot, published an article Friday saying it had also obtained the note but decided not to publish it to respect Obama's privacy." - NYPost, but you'll find this line in pretty much any paper covering the story as well.

If the Obama campaign had released the note themselves this wouldn't make any sense. If the Obama campaign had pre-authorized the release there would be no need to be concerned about his privacy.

(c) If the content of the note was given in advance, why would they ask the Obama campaign to confirm or deny that this was in fact his note?

"Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs would neither confirm nor deny the note was Obama's." NYpost, and again, you'll find the same thing in almost every other article about it.

When I began learning about Christianity I was taught that prayer for show is not true prayer because the intention underlying the act is to put on a show for others, not to communicate with God.

If Mr. Obama is so fortunate as to achieve our neighbour's highest office, one can only hope that his private prayers mirror his public one ... or that God has enough of a sense of humour to answer them positively despite their cyncial origin.

Ken, no one is doubting that Marriv is claiming the Obama campaign approved it. What I'm asking is why there isn't any other corroboration available. Who approved it, and when? Or better, how about the Obama campaign saying yes, we released the content of the note beforehand but certainly did not expect someone to take the actual note out of the wall.

Kate said a second paper agreed that it was pre-authorized for release. So apparently the corroboration I'm looking for exists, but sadly, I can't find it myself, so I'm asking for help with some links.

This is the claim I want to see corroborated.

"They received a copy of the note in advance.
Posted by: Kate at July 29, 2008 11:12 AM"

And I'm not trying to defend Obama's honour. I couldn't care less about Obama. I care about the fact that this note was taken from the wall and published. I care about the callousness displayed by Marriiv in publishing it, then saying "he's not a jew so he doesn't have a right to privacy." So what, if I put a prayer in the wall i ought to expect it could be read and printed?

If, on the other hand, the Obama campaign released it in advance then the damage done to the integrity of the site itself, not the paper mind you, but the site itself will be much reduced in my eyes.

Regards,

I think the first thing any responsible journalist would do would be to Fact Check that note by pulling the second copy from the wall.

I'd be interested in knowing if their is a difference between the two notes.

"Which would be fine, except you've taken this vague claim and then ran with it as if it were true"

Vague claim? Maariv's claim was specific.

"Let's put a stop to the two minute hate"

Either list an example of the "hate" on this thread you want to stop or admit that in your mind criticizing Obama constitutes "hate".

timr. i did not see any rational response to your post. you are right. the scoffers are always wrong. pray in private. let god know you want to talk with Him as opposed to the public.

"Vague claim? Maariv's claim was specific."

Fine, vague or specific, let's just get it corroborated can we please, so that we can just move on? The only reason I wished it was more specific is that its easier to fact check Robert Bills authorized the release than the Obama Campaign authorized the release. But all I care about is getting it from more than one source that it was authorized for release. Especially when the only source I can find making the claim is getting a lot of heat at home for being real jerks about it. Religious groups are calling for a protest of the paper.

"Either list an example of the "hate" on this thread you want to stop or admit that in your mind criticizing Obama constitutes "hate". "

Sure: Gypsy at July 29, 2008 12:14 AM

Arthur A - you are beginning to annoy me. If you are so intent on constructing a strawman to buffer direct criticism of Obama, have at it, but do so elsewhere.

It is clear that the entire affair was staged. Obama is a hypocrite - a well-nigh universal trait for a politician, including our Canadian ones (Conservatives included). What is over the top is the blatant obviousness of it all.

Obama is an idiot who clearly believes a plurality of voters are idiots.

"...damage done to the integrity of the site itself..."

Please. He is usurping a cultural practise that has NO intersection with his own, one that is tantamount to throwing pennies in a wishing well. Furthermore, the site itself has NO integrity, unless one is a religious Jew (and then the integrity is mere pretense). It is a only a site of historical and archeological interest, nothing more.

Your only example is Gypsy at July 29, 2008 12:14 AM

Then there is you at various points:

slimbag paper

Talk about a tinfoil hat conspiracy

This crap paper is saying

Hmmmm. Not seeing much difference between the two of you.

"If you are so intent on constructing a strawman to buffer direct criticism of Obama, have at it, but do so elsewhere."

I don't care about Obama. I don't have an argument. I have a question. My question is, "is it true that the Obama campaign released this in advance?"

"It is clear that the entire affair was staged."

Please. He is usurping a cultural practise that has NO intersection with his own, one that is tantamount to throwing pennies in a wishing well. Furthermore, the site itself has NO integrity, unless one is a religious Jew (and then the integrity is mere pretense). It is a only a site of historical and archeological interest, nothing more.
Posted by: Tenebris at July 29, 2008 1:55 PM

"Hmmmm. Not seeing much difference between the two of you."

Let's not be distracted by the shiny objects. Hate, love or criticism towards Obama, all of it I do not care about.

Is it true? Was it a pre-authorized release? The only reason I'm asking here is because everyone here is so cock-sure its true. I thought you'd have the links to back it up. All my searches have come up empty.

The Libranos had/have a mole. Perhaps Obama has a mole.

You people are disgusting! There is no proof it was leaked, they have denied it was leaked. The paper now that they are going to be sued, suddenly comes out with this, explanation. Grow a brain. This is incredibly disrespectful, but why should I be suprised when this is a gutter dwelling site. Have you no sense of shame or proper decorum and manners. Sickening!!

You would think the Fox News website would be all over this. I had a quick look and could find nothing. I am starting to wonder if this is not passing the smell test when looked into by the media.

I think we "Canucks" should stay clear of this type of gossip. I`m a card carrying Conservative, yet I still have hopes for Obama. And frankly, I don`t believe the note is authentic!! (Like nost of what we see, read and hear that comes from the USA!!)

If it turns out that this whole "leak" was staged by the Obama campaign, it would remind me of the line by a stand up comedian who said "Guys: Sincerity . . . the women love it. If you can fake that, you've got 'em."

"Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?"

It's not like this was a new approach.

"There is no proof it was leaked, they have denied it was leaked."

Well I guess thats it then. If his campaign denied it was leaked it must be so. I mean they never have been caught telling fibs before....... yes they have. His campaign declared
Obama called on Germany to do more in Afghanistan and Iraq in his Berlin Speech.

He did not say anything of the sort. All he did make a vague call to help Iraq in its renewal he addressed it not to Germany, but to the world. HUGE difference.

Todd, your man and his team have been caught in making false statements and fabrications on numerous occasions. Check out this link for the list of 90 so far:

http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html

and it is

"Protect my family and I"

not

"Protect my family and me"

Protect I? No
Protect me. Yes

You should feel Shaken to the core...

Supposition:
If the Maariv story is a hoax .... IF !
Then we should see the MSM ALL OVER IT decrying it as PROOF of the hate campaign against Obama.

Sort of like Hillary Clinton's VRWC ....

If it is NOT a hoax ... the MSM will BE SILENT ... because they need to protect the myth they have created.

GC, and so I do, having received an object lesson.

Shaken: if I had to choose between your example of humility and Obama's, the choice is clear. Thanks.

I assumed it was planted for effect. One cannot innocently believe that a "future POTUS" would leave a piece of writing in a public place an dnot pick it up.

But, what effect? It's all about ME ME ME!!! And, more modestly, that he may be an instrument of God.

Hey, has anyone noticed that the Ubermessiah has big, ugly ears that rival those of the Prince Of Whales. [sic]

Maybe we could get them into a public fly-off :-)

Kate: "did you miss the words "pre-approved for international publication by the Obama campaign""

Wrong again, Kate!

FoxNews: "Student apologizes for stealing Obama prayer from Western Wall"

"The student, in an appearance on Israeli TV2, said...a bunch of friends were at the Wall, and he is not sure who took the note out. One of his friends said he found it on the floor. Another said he took it from the wall. Later on, they tried to sell it to an Israeli newspaper."

There's also an interesting entry on TNR's Plank blog entitled "Obama Vindicated?" that you'll no doubt ignore/dismiss.

So let's get this straight: you're staying that

(1) Obama's camp pre-approved the note for publication,
(2) Obama's camp then provided copies to Israeli newspapers after he left his hotel,
(3) Obama's camp somehow guessed that an Israeli seminary student would filch the note from the wall and bring it to the same newspapers who already have a copy of it, and
(4) the same student would later go on national TV and apologize for taking the note from the wall and trying to sell it to the papers.

HAHAHAHA!!! There you go again, criticizing the MSM when they print stuff you don't like, but completely taking everything they say on faith as long as you like what you hear.

Be honest, dear: wouldn't you be perfectly happy with a biased MSM, as long as they're biased in your direction?

The Talmud says that the Lord answers all prayers: sometimes, the answer is no.

TO: Mr. Obama
I have a questionfor Obama
his team can answer me please thans.

Clear what god he refering too ?

Now we have to ask Obama clear his view after he back from middle east we need to knwo
does he talk with Muslim god or talk with christian god?

If he really is Muslim he shoudl not shy to tell them I know he may scare to say it since AMerican are racist and may discriminate him but if I were him I clear my god standing
who he refering too and clear his past for us
thansk if he is Muslim we welcome him among Muslim community alot
if he is christian try not to spread three god plese thanks again
please some one respond from Obama support team not anybody else to respond me
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Now we need clearfication for
which Lord or god he refer to

Muslim god
or Christina 3 way god because if you belive we have 3 god or 3 in one shampoo or 3 in one pizza then you made 'Sharik' or "moshrek' for god it means you got parternship for god which is illegal in Isalm law and god or allah god is one and not have any partner or son or fatehr or any body as human god is not human to give a birth but god can create any thing made dead live or made river divided in two and made a stick to a snake as we heard in all prophet life we have 1000 prophet only 5 has major prophet of god

or Jewish god

or Hindo god which is stone and statuse of pray to cow

or scientology god or of other garbage we hear from thos movie maker to deny thier sin in hide of science not real god

or Budim god with big fat man statuse with big stomach and shave hair

or name it we have too many god up there

like Indian Canaidna aboriginal god Etheics who not bleive god and sing the song for send small fire to air and put song to talk and destroy evil or tehy may evil themselve who knows

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the best god is Muslim god
while we belive god should similar in Jewish god and Christian god unfortunaly those popy chruchy guy or may we can say gay are change the l aw for their favor
now we have some branch of Christianty who has 3 gods or may be more wich is ridiculs

while god is one

In Islam people who deny god are caled 'kafer'

In Islam for peopel who put partnership for god and bleive god is more than one or up to 3 caled hem 'Moshrek'

for Jewish who selling Kosher water to Madona and belive theybelive god but they deny jesus and Mohamad are not prophet of god are we called them ignorance and still ' ahle of book' means thier prophet has book which Moses or isa has holy book
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to Irwin above said we also last time we told you put refence to your gosip and you did nto put any refernce and unfortuanly you are lair and you are intentionaly hated Muslim and we bleive you are Jewish who hate Muslim by your heart and kind of sick we recommanded to Irwin go and join the sikh or sick peopel and pray with tem I suspected Irwin is Solman Roshady in his home pray for all god of Sikh and Hindu people
coudl you clear how many statues you pray per day for your god and which god you pray

we do not know Irwin are you jewish or christian or hindo or ethics or other funny thing here
for one thing we knwo you gossip Muslim alot because you are liar

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Now we have to ask Obama clear his view after he back from middle east we need to knwo
does he talk with Muslim god or talk with christian god?

One God? You silly little man. Why do you think allah/sin/moon refers to himself as "we" throughout the Quran? Where do you think Mo got that from? Illah means God in Arabic, who is this allah cretin? Oh, he's one of 365 gods of the pagan Arabs. He had a wife and two daughters. The blasphemy!

But thanks for making the distinction that allah is only the fabricated Islamic god. Nothing to do with anything else.

Even that Mohamad Cartoon blegin knows more than you Irwin about Isalm and meaning of god
go take look at Ezral levant Mohamd cartoon
in head of Mohamad wrote two senentence in Arabic

you become Muslim in two sentences not anymore

in hat of moham p.b.u. h

in cartoon said in Arabic:

Ash ha do an la ila ha il lal lah
ahs ha do an mohamah en resaul al lah

it means:

we shadat ( it means we agreed ) to say:

we Muslim agred to bleive God is one
and we agred Mohamad is Rasoul or prophet of god

Now if you read the quearion which you never did
it always being god as one is refer alot in this book

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Stil Irwin you scare to tell public what is relgion of you we like to now
still Obama scared to say to public what is his religion and his belif is

if you are believer you never should scare to say you are Muslim
if Obma is Muslim should not scare of anybody
to hide it
Obam should only fear of god and allah not from any racist American to hid if he is born Muslim and now foreced to his religion for his safty

we need to clear

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Irwin go and educated yourself you still not say are you Hindo or are you Solman Rushdi seating in your home or not because all of your refernce is wrong
go take look at Blegin mohamd cartoon the guy know more than you what Muslim are talking about about God and Mohamad

first educated yourself then talk otehrwise never Muslim see you seriosly

Just an observation: This person who posts as Ishaq and as Isham have a pretty good patter down fine.

One could almost believe that they were ignorant muslims. Except we are not deceived as we all know that muslims are very refined intellectuals who love intellectual debate, and art, and ... oh, wait, I'm lost for words ... the word "killing" comes to mind. I have no idea why.

""The boycott will be lifted," he added, "after the newspaper publishes a notice, both in Hebrew and in English, apologizing for its lack of sensitivity and for its violation of Senator Obama's privacy and honor."

Maariv's response: "Obama's note was published in Maariv and other international publications following his authorization to make the content of the note public. Obama submitted a copy of the note to media outlets when he left his hotel in Jerusalem. Moreover, since he is not Jewish, there is no violation of privacy as there would be for a Jewish person who places a note in the wall."

July 29, 2008 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1006186.html

Ishaq/Isham,

Here's a quote from the Christian scriptures:

James 2:19

"You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder."

Sorry, intended to indicate that excerpt is part of a larger article about the issue.

RW

""""the word "killing" comes to mind. I have no idea why.""""

you must have missed cassius clay's finest performance:-))))))

A couple more, Tenebris:

John 16: 2 "the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. (No wonder when they behead they cry allah akbar -god is great-)

And here's a particularly damning section:

Romans 3: 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known

Ishaq follows the typical debating pattern of Muslims.

When Muslims are told about scores of horrendous facts contained in the Quran, Hadith and Sira, they typically respond as follows:

1. Accuse the person of lying, ignorance, and he should be proficient in Arabic to understand Islam (regardless of the fact that 80% of Muslims don’t know Arabic). Tell him/her to read "authentic" Muslim websites and texts. Say that critics of Islam are "so-called" experts. Say that once a person "learns" about the "real" Islam, he/she will understand how beautiful and peaceful it is.

2. Accuse the person of racism or Islamophobia. Say they are "filled with hate" (this works really well with Liberals!). Restrict your arguments to a specific subject (How Muslims are persecuted and misunderstood). Generalize a lot. Never suggest that a person examine both sides of the issue (that is, compare arguments from anti-Islamic sites with those from Muslims experts). Never refer to the hate and violence Muslims do. Say that the actions of Muslims have nothing to do with Islam.

3. Say that the problem is that Muslims today are not practicing the "Original Islam" of Mohammed and the glorious era of the 'Four Righteous Caliphs' that followed him (Do not mention the hate and violence that Mohammad preached and practiced and do not mention that 3 out of the 4 so-called Righteous Caliphs were murdered by Muslims in a fifty year orgy of conquest, greed, violence and rivalry that ended at battle of Kerbala - called the Ashura _ with Muslims fighting Muslims and the heads of Mohammad's grandson and even infant great-grandson and 70 others being carried in bags as trophies by the victorious Muslim army). Tell them that Islam is really peaceful!

To RW:

are you one of Indian Hindu family memeber seating in Indian house making treat hate crime

or family of member ; cousin of this guy !!!
' KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - An unemployed man said below ....'

If you are please please show yourself to mental hospital before it is too late!!!

"

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - An unemployed man accused of opening fire with a shotgun and killing two people at a Unitarian church apparently targeted the congregation out of hatred for its liberal social policies, police said Monday.

...

"

and by the way please also try to just do not think any more you become like Irwin
thank you for your cooperation

to Learn about God ( Allah) In Islam:

In the name of Allah, the Beneficient, the Merciful

The Glorious Qur'an is the Word of Allah as revealed to His Prophet, Muhammad, peace be on him and his progeny.

On reading the Qur'an one is at once convinced that it is the Word of Allah, for no man can write such perfect guidance on so many subjects.

The Holy Qur'an says that no man will be able to forge even a part of it and that no corruption shall touch it from any side. It is a miracle that the Holy Qur'an has remained unchanged and unaltered during all these 1400 years and it shall remain so till the Day of Resurrection, for Allah, has taken it on Himself to protect it.

The Book of Allah is like an ocean. The less learned, like children, collect pebbles and shells from its shores. The scholars and thinkers, like pearl divers, bring out from it the highest philosophy, wisdom and rulse of a perfect way of living.

For easy dailiy recitation, the Qur'an is divided into thirty equal parts. One part takes only twenty-four reading minutes, and the whole Book requires twelve reading hours. There are 114 chapters, and 6,226 verses, containing 99,464 words made up of 330, 113 letters.

Quran in Islam:
http://www.al-islam.org/quraninislam/index.htm

2. How does the Precious Qur'an describe God the Exalted?

"Whatever is in the heavens and on earth, declares the Praises and Glory of Allah; for He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. It is He Who gives Life and Death; and He has Power over all things. He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent (Hidden). And He has the full knowledge of all things. He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days (stages, long periods, or ages), then He established Himself on the Throne. He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what ascends up to it. And He is with you wheresoever you may be. And Allah sees well all that you do. To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. And all affairs go back to Allah. He merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night. And He has the full Knowledge of the secrets of (all) hearts." LVII:1‑6

Or:

"Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god; Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, the Gracious, the Merciful. Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god; the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace, (and Perfection) the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme. Glory to Allah! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him. He is Allah, the Creator, the Originator, the Bestower of forms and colours. To Him belong the Most Glorious Names. Whatever is in the heavens and on earth doth declare His Praises and Glory. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise." LIX:22‑24

Or:

"Allah is He besides Whom there is no god, the Everliving (and causing life), the Eternal Self‑subsisting by Whom all subsist. No slumber can overtake him nor sleep. All things in the heavens and on earth belong to Him. Who is he who can intercede with Him but by His permission? He knoweth what is before them and what is behind them, nor shall they grasp any matter of His knowledge except for what He pleases. His Throne extends over the heavens and earth, and the preservation of them tires Him not. And He is the High, the Supreme." II:255

Or:

"Say: He Allah is One. Allah is the Absolute Self‑Sufficient. He begets not, nor is He begotten, and there is not a single one to equate with Him." CXll

There are many more ayat describing the attributes of Allah the Almighty but these few may be sufficient to ask ourselves how we can consider a God who falls short of the qualities extracted from these four ayat. This would mean one who:
* is not being praised and glorified by all beings in the heavens and on earth,

* has no control over the dominion of the heavens and earth (cannot induce rain, earthquake, movement of the celestial bodies, etc.),

* cannot give life and death,
* has no power over all things,
* did not exist from "the Beginning" nor shall last to "the End",
* is indistinct and affected,
* does not have full Knowledge of all things,
* cannot create the heavens and earth,
* does not know the inflow and outflow of the heavens and earth,
* cannot be with you wheresoever you may be,
* does not see what you do,
* cannot receive all affairs; or all affairs do not go back to him,
* has no power over the emergence of day and night,
* has no knowledge of the secrets of all hearts,
* is not the Absolute Sovereign,
* cannot create nor originate,
* is not everliving,
* is not the Self‑subsisting, and the Absolute Needless,
* gets tired and drowsy, or slumbers,
* is not One (the Only),
* is not the Absolute Self‑sufficient (on Whom all others depend),
* begets or is begotten,
* is like others (taking spouse, having companions and colleagues).

This list can grow rapidly if one uses more ayat which describe Allah's attributes. It is obvious that one who is affected by a tiny insect and escapes from it cannot be considered The Almighty, no matter what names misguided and misdirected people may assign to him to justify their own belief, and perhaps to deceive and mislead others.

http://www.al-islam.org/glorious_quran/

QUR’ĀN: Alif lām mīm: God willing, we shall describe in the 42nd chapter some things related to the "letter-symbols" that come at the beginning of some chapters. Also, the meaning of the guidance of the Qur’ān and of its being a book will be ex­plained later on.

QUR’ĀN: This Book, there is no doubt in it, (is) a guidance to those who guard (against evil), those who believe in the unseen: Those who guard against evil, or in other words, the pious ones, are the very people who believe. Piety, or guarding oneself against evil, is not a special virtue of any particular group of the believers. It is not like doing good, being humble before God or purity of intention, which are counted as various grades of the faith. Piety, on the other hand, is a comprehensive virtue that runs through all the ranks of the true faith. It is for this reason that Allāh has not reserved this adjective for any particular group of the believers.

.......
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http://www.al-islam.org/al-mizan/v1/

http://www.al-islam.org/mot/default.asp?url=methods.htm

I'm in a state of awe! Isam has gone from unintelligible babbling:
"for Jewish who selling Kosher water to Madona and belive theybelive god but they deny jesus and Mohamad are not prophet of god are we called them ignorance and still ' ahle of book' means thier prophet has book which Moses or isa has holy book..."
---to readable prose in one short day!! Indeed, Allah is great...;)

Back to the topic at hand ....
There are TWO Israeli papers that say the OBAMA campaign gave them the notice of the note and permission to publish!

Now what does that mean?

"There are TWO Israeli papers that say the OBAMA campaign gave them the notice of the note and permission to publish! Now what does that mean?"

It means you're slow, OMMAG: - elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/27/student-apologizes-for-stealing-obama-prayer-from-western-wall/

Forgive me, this note is between a guy and God. That, it is Obama or a street cleaner matters not one whit to the big G.
To make it public is unforgivable and if the big G has anything to say about it, He will.
It is not unlike a diary that is written only for those that you chose to read it.
This really has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with human decency.
I'm with you one hundred percent of the time.
There is a limit when it comes to Supreme power.
If someone does not believe that there is the big G, leave it alone then.
If you have ever watched the Cheers, the obnoxious woman, as obnoxious she was, said "Don't fool with God".
You don't have to go along with that if that is your preference, though it would be a big plus if you did.

Why can't it be both scenarios?

B.O. released the 'prayer' for the media hyping stunt, then placed it in the wall.

So perhaps later, a student actually removes the 'note' for whatever reasons and now both stories are being tossed as if it was one single event.

while life of presidne is public and they know they will face so many consecuqences but
if really for security reason nobody allow like or not like take any thing with no permision to publish it

or we end up with big mouth Monica Lunski conspriacry and they may worse may come

privacy in every life is important
that is all to it while this note was not importatn but in general
privacy of life and some privae docuement should not release the person in charge must get fired if I were boss of that group or at least one get fired to give lesson to the rest do not take any thing from trash and give to media this is illegal and may end to political conspiracy too

North AMerican culture notlet famouse people to have life really

"intentionally leaked".

now you get it !!!

I am not surprised at the uber-outrage of lefties with the "violation" of Obama's privacy. Let's face it, Obama is the quintessential liberal candidate in that he espouses every moral conviction that the left holds dear. Which is, of course, none at all (except the only true leftie moral of save thy ass at all costs).

This is why useful idiots like arthur come along and argue about whether the font used is Times New Roman or Arial, or other irrelevant crap.

The fact of the matter is everything a pres candidate does in the year before election is scripted, everything! If you don't believe that then you truly are an idiot!

All of this fuss begs a bigger question: Why would Obama be so presumptious as to leave a note at the Wall in the first place? The Wall is a Jewish icon, not a Christian one. Last I heard, Obama-san wasn't Jewish, and as the Jewish divinity has indicated, his privacy issues at the wall hold somewhat less value than it might to Jews.

From where I sit, the whole exercise is pompous pandering, and frankly, highly disrespectful of both Jews and Christians. There's been little to suggest that Obama is devoutly Christian, notwithstanding Obama's connection with Rev Wright and the Church of the Bizarre.

Looks like someone is getting to the bottom of this:

"I just got off the phone with a Ma'ariv spokesman who says that the accusation is "completely false," and that he has no idea who these papers were quoting from Ma'ariv. "No official spokesman for Ma'ariv told this to any of the papers." I've got some calls in to these papers to find out where they got the quote. (I'll update here when I hear back.) He told me definitively that "the Obama campaign did not give us a copy of the letter or approve it for printing."

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/07/29/obama-vindicated.aspx#comments

Question answered. Was it true? No, it wasn't.

Now, please continue believing whatever you want to believe about Obama. 'You're entitled to your own beliefs, just not your own facts.' Or something like that.

Arthur A. cries for verification and proof when TWO newspapers report the same thing that he doesn't like, but then accepts the word of a blog writer verbatim when it is something he does like.

QE, could you please have a chat with Arthur A?

"CNN's Sasha Johnson, who was a part of a pool of journalists who accompanied Obama to the wall, said when reporters asked Obama what he wrote, he declined to share the contents of his prayer. Obama told the reporters it was a private conversation between him and God, Johnson said."

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/27/obama.prayer/index.html

So there's two people contradicting Marriv's original claim that it was authorized for release.

And if you've been following things, it should be pretty clear that the point isn't about what I'd like to be true, it's always been about what IS true.

The original story, as posted by Kate, struck me as highly unlikely to be true. I've asked for proof. This has "annoyed" some people. But, no one was able to back up this claim, or find out who made the claim, or to whom the claim was made. In other words, no one was able to provide any supporting evidence of Marriv's claim.

Now, I've pointed to two sources, cnn which discredits Marrivs accounts and one blogger who has reportedly spoken to Marriv and quotes them as explicitly denying that they ever claimed they were authorized to release it.

Skip: "All of this fuss begs a bigger question: Why would Obama be so presumptious as to leave a note at the Wall in the first place? The Wall is a Jewish icon, not a Christian one. Last I heard, Obama-san wasn't Jewish, and as the Jewish divinity has indicated, his privacy issues at the wall hold somewhat less value than it might to Jews."

"Laura Bush departs the Western Wall after inserting a prayer in the wall and taking a tour of the model of Mount Moriah Sunday, May 22, 2005. White House photo by Krisanne Johnson"

- whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/images/20050522-4_p44900-365-515h.html

arthur - would you please stop with the crap and take a look at the situation.

Everything about this story has been a boon to Obama, from the violation of his privacy, to his innoncent proclamation to God.

Are you really that daft to think that this all happened by mere chance?

Are you that naive??

Do you really beleive that there is such a thing as privacy for a presidential candidate (especially given past campaigns)?

When Mccain's privacy is violated in the upcoming months (as it surely will be), will you claim moral outrage over that? I highly doubt it!

You are helping to give legs to a story that should have died within 2 days , instead Obama is given even more free (and good) coverage.

So just who is being morally dubious and who is being duped?

ldd: "Why can't it be both scenarios?"

Right. So Maariv had copies of the content of the letter, but their editors decided, "You know what? Rather than printing the prayer right away, let's wait a while, see if someone tries to steal the original from the wall, attempt to sell it to us, and in doing so stir up an international incident! Let's not mention from the get-go that Obama's team gave us copies beforehand, so that in the off-chance that someone actually does steal the prayer and even smaller chance that s/he sells it to us, we can pretend that we only have the one original. That way, after we publish it, we can invite waves of withering condemnation from within and without the international Jewish community, not to mention threats of legal action for publishing a private prayer! That sounds like a great plan!"

BUT WAIT! Maybe it was an Obama staffer DRESSED as a seminary student!

Yeah, that's it! That explains EVERYTHING! That's GOTTA be it!

- web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13025.htm

Frenchie77 if the "story" died two days ago, all we would know is that a paper claimed it was authorized to release this and Obama's campaign claimed they were not.

Clearly, the reactions in the comments above and in the comments on newsbusters show that the initial story - the point at which you wished it was dropped - was not in any way a boon to Obama. Now, for many people whether or not this particular story is true won't affect how they feel about Obama. That's fine.

For me its not about how it makes me feel about Obama. It's about how wrong it was for the paper to print the note. If the Obama campaign gave them authorization to print it then I would adopt a move along, nothing to see here attidue. If on the other hand they just printed it, I would think they are lying scumbags. I'd feel this way if they printed McCains note, or my note. So, the truth of the story matters to me.

If the truth doesn't matter to you then fine, say what you like about Obama. I don't care. If the truth does matter but won't affect how you feel, then that's fine too.

The fact is thought that Marriv's claims were a bit absurd on the face of it, and so I wanted to see if they could be backed up. A few days, and almost a hundred posts later the answer seems to be, no one has provided a link backing up marriv's initial claims. I've gotten two now that contradict their initial claims.

It seems to me that we've almost arrived at the truth of the situation. Marriv published it, there was local outrage and so they tried to justify it by lying, and now they are backing off the initial claim that they had permission.

This makes sense to me, but we'll see if there are anymore updates in the coming hours and days.

Yep, QE given the media's past tactics, it would not surprise me at all.

After all you're convinced, and everyone who subscribes to these media sources is sold as well.

Publicity stunt.
Plain and simple.

7 News the Israel National News ...
Synopsis of the affair....

Did actually see someone use CNN as a reference above....?

Arthur why waste yr time? These are not rational normal people yr dealing with on here. Facts and truth mean nothing to them. smears, defamation, lies, are what SDA commenters are all about. Mostly just a bunch of Heritage Front losers and paranoid ignorant, dittohead shut-ins trying to feel like they belong.

Hmmmm, why is it that troll's always consider themselves to be rational normal people, but no-one else ever is?

todd - a job awaits you at your local HRC! No brains needed for immediate employment!

Confirmation:

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/jerusalem/2008/07/obama-western-w.html

To sum up: Note was stolen. Obama campaign did not authorize it's release. Marriv does not claim they had permission from Obama camp. Earlier reporting that they claimed Obama camp gave them a copy is false. Untrue. Wrong.