"Legal suicide bomb".

- like that.
Can we coin it?

and it's what that other 'feeble minded', thin-skinned, sneaky public bathroom wall scrawler, should be getting as well I hope.

Nice shots...

"....blew it back in their face..."

This is a way better Pat Condell rant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXzladhscMQ&eurl=http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/wide_open_thread_free_for_the.php

Well said Pat, Unfortunately, to the left, common sense isn’t very common. God save the queen, God save the west from ourselves!!!!

That was a great piece. I can't criticize a single word of it -- brilliantly articulated.

It's jihadist lawfare, funded by my tax dollars.
Fire. Them. All.

Delightful, thoughtful and humour with a British reserve, almost understated. Pat Condell, should be
a more frequent feature here.

Listening to this makes me mourn for the loss of the Red Ensign.:)

Pat Condell .... a near perfect summation of what's wrong who's wrong in the matter of these mental midgets and their seventh century cult.
Now this short film should be what the public schools show to the young charges come September as part of the education program .......

A-frickin-MEN!

no longer available. how the frick do ya get around it?

I would nominate Pat Condell for the Order of Canada, but that would be an insult.

Ah yes the religion of the devil is at again. Funny why these demons all want to come to our intolerant countries to carry on their hate. Go to hell Elmasry! take your dirty self and the stooges you employ on the blogs back from whence you came courtesy the Canadian welfare system, we don't need you, we like Steven Harper, for the simple reason that he is not as simple as Paul Martin!

Sadly, ol' Pat there has pretty much the same view of Christianity as he does of Islam. Ya see, in his world, if you believe in something other than yourself, you are not only stupid but evil.

"Sadly, ol' Pat there has pretty much the same view of Christianity as he does of Islam."

Copy that. Not all fur trappers wear fur hats; he's using the Muslim issue as a Trojan Horse to spread his anti-Christian hate. Worse, he makes zero mention of immigration reform.

Who is the idiot here: the imam pulling down a quarter million quid in benefits for him and his 4 wives? Or Big Immigration supporter Condell, who invited them to the UK in the first place, and has yet to call for their expulsion, instead focusing his hate on his own Christian countrymen? I'll go with the latter, and I'd boot him from my country before I booted the Muslims. He's a left wing po-mo no talent pissant.

Luv Pat Condell! He's my favourite atheist. And what he's against is any religion trying to force their beliefs on the general population. I'm a non-preaching Christian who believes, like Pat, in freedom of as well as freedom from religion - if that's your choice.

Perfect summation of the Islamic trouble makers. They truly did try to "hijack our law to piss in our faces and it blew back in their faces".

PISS BE WITH THEM.

Sheila T: "I'm a non-preaching Christian who believes, like Pat, in freedom of as well as freedom from religion..."

My problem with the "freedom FROM religion" idea is that our society would be irreparably harmed by freedom from religion, seeing as it's Judeo-Chritianity that has given us most of our fundamental values and institutions such as our democratic laws, our universities, hospitals, etc.

A recent article in NOW, a secular paper in Toronto, has sounded the alarm for the poor and dispossessed who rely on food banks which are, almost without exception, run and administered by churches. Headline: Don't Give Us Your Hungry: The poor are paying the price for declining Christianity.

So, while non-preaching Christians and atheists tell the churches to butt out, it's the poor and dispossessed who really feel the crunch.

I hesitated to post on another thread Pat Condell's piece that Kate has posted here because of his adamant anti-Christian, atheist views, but his commentary was so good, I overcame my own prejudices.

It would be nice if Condell and others could, likewise, stash their anti-Christian views in order to acknowledge the good that Christian churches do. I assure you: Without them, our societies would be complete dystopias, whereas now, they are just middling dystopian wildernesses.

acknowledging the good christian Churches have done,and are still doing for people, often the poorest in society is very difficult for the leftards/atheists. Let me put it this way, name me one group of atheists that has banded together to build either a school or a hospital. cheers Bubba

Bubba,

Atheists don't band together, nor do they have and organized anti religion, nor do they feel a need to huddle together and make plans to grow their cult. That is why you are unaware of how many Atheist were involved in the building of many great things in our society.

Atheists are people who don't like that sort of activity or life style. Atheists are very big on individualism and for the most part take other people for who they are as individuals.

You will find that most Objectivists (Ayn Rand) and Libertarians (Ron Paul, Harry Brown and others) are atheists. They don't believe in magic, mother goose, or almighty idiotic gods all of whom seem to not give much of a shit for some segments of humanity and in particular, they all seem to hate Africa. Splain' that.

Not that I care much for Africa or the poor in general. Most of the so-called down-trodden in the world are victims of their own people or of choices they have made for themselves. What's that old Christian quote ... "I am not my brother's keeper"?

The problem we Atheist have with those who need a group or collective of like-minded fools to feel comfortable, is that you seem to think that without the belief in a deity, humanity is either, evil, or nothing at all.

I am aware the many on the left do not believe in an almighty deity, but they are still addicted to believing in something like say ... global warming, gaia, Obama. They have not been strong enough as individuals to break the addiction to the collective.

That is the difference between the leftist Atheist that you dislike and the true Atheist that believes in the power of the individual.

The former will hate you for having religion (except Islamics) and the latter will not care as long as you are not an asshole about it.

I grew up at about age 14 and realized that the whole religion thing was silly and the idea of an almighty deity was preposterous. I have not had problems with Christians or anyone else, because my beliefs or lack of them are personal and I don't put it anyone's face unless they ask to discuss it.

Pat Condell speaks out against religion because he is bothered that it hobbles humanities progress. I don't think anyone here know how much of big lefty he actually is and whether or not he personally invited Muslims to Britain. Consider that good Christian value of "do judge lest ye be judged" Dude!

Pat Condell is an entertainer with a beef about losing his culture. Kate is an entertainer too. She imparts much important information with really good humor.

The culture we all love and enjoy here in the West that you attribute largely to Christianity's influence is fine and dandy, but if Christians aren't going to speak up against the Islamic locust invading and destroying us, then I guess it has to fall to the Atheists like Pat Condell, eh what?

It's a struggle to override/overcome all the strife and outright wars caused by religions gone amok throughout history and to this day.

If the idea of freedom of and freedom from religion prevailed, everyone would practice what they believe in an MIND THEIR BUSINESS.

Religions are given to proselytizing but when we have the example of extreme hatred coming from the Islamic world in the name of religion, we have to be concerned. Something that's mind boggling in this 21st century.

I don't care if he holds Christianity in contempt, he's entitled to his opinion. I believe in free speech, even if it offends me.

At least he's speaking up, the left have had us cons cowering in silence for decades. We need to stop being afraid of the leftards' insults, honestly if you don't agree with their twisted ideology you are a "Racist, bigot, hater, Islamophobe, bible thumping fairy in the sky worshiping neo con".

Frankly I don't care if I offend the leftards, Jihadies or the HRCs across the land. They can all flock off and take a running leap off a tall building. They've lost their power to censor and silence the right, that's why they support the HRCs. They need them to silence us, the leftards are powerless against us.

John V., you are monumentally uninformed and ignorant of the Christian religion and make an utter fool of yourself when making sweeping statements about its, in your opinion, irrelevance.

The Christian Scriptures ask, "Am I my brother's keeper?" and the implicit answer from the story in Genesis 4 is, "Yes, I am my brother's keeper," which is why you will find Christian charities in every part of the world, whether or not the country is Christian, atheist, Hindu, Buddhist, or Muslim. AND the first-responders where there is a natural disaster? Christians.

And that's bad?

As for Africa. What are you talking about? Christianity is growing by leaps and bounds in Africa, where thousands--that's right, thousands--of Africans are being baptized on any given day.

Uganda is an African country which, BTW, is making huge inroads on the scourge of AIDS. Why? Largely because of their adeherence to the Christian teaching about sexuality: that it should be confined to marriage and that condoms and other "bandaids," so to speak, don't work and never will.

One last thing: The U.S.A. is unanimously regarded as "the most Christian country" in the world. And who are the first-responders and the most generous givers to areas in the world either stricken by natural disasters or man-made ones like famine and genocide? The U.S.A. That's no coincidence. There is a direct co-relation between Christian faith and charity--that is, the giving of one's personal time, treasure, and talent in order to help others.

'Gotta go to bake a cake for some folks who just moved into our building and make a few lovaves of sandwiches for the supper for the homeless in our neighbourhood...

John V...

Atheists don't band together, nor do they have and organized anti religion, nor do they feel a need to huddle together and make plans to grow their cult.

Dude...I agree and sympathize with most of what you say. But, I disagree strongly with that one assertion. Stroll on over to randi.org. Take a good close look at their TAM events and browse the message boards. You will find (everywhere) strong evidence that what you say just isn't so. They do huddle together and all of the events and fundraisers are focused on "spreding the word" and making converts - just like religion.

In fact, I just recently heard Penn Jillette comment on how he is dismayed by the fact that, at all of the skeptic/atheist-themed conferences he goes to nowadays, there is way too much focus by atheists on "how to convert more people to our cause." Like you, he feels that that should not be the focus (or even an issue). But, he - by his own admission - is in the minority.

I agree with all that you say in the rest of your post. But, any organized group - no matter what their pro or anti raison d'etre - is always looking to convert others to their way of thinking.

Attempting to convert people to your way of thinking is pure vanity. But, theists don't have a monopoly on vanity.

Judging from this video clip, Pat Condell is blunt, unashamed, and unafraid to embrace his own culture, and does not make excuses for it. What a breath of fresh air. I will have to check out more of his commentary.

pat makes the same mistake most people in the west make. " not all muslims are evil, bad, whatever " the problem is that muslims follow islam and islam most assuredly is evil. read the bloody koran, no pun intended. if someone follows and believes the koran avoid them and keep your head down, particularly if you are a jew, a homosexual, a christian, oh well just about any thing except a follower of islam.

Every mosque in Canada contains the vanguard of Islam. Have no doubt of that.

batb: It would be nice if Condell and others could, likewise, stash their anti-Christian views...

Yep, it would be much better if free speech like his wasn't allowed.

Rose: I don't care if he holds Christianity in contempt, he's entitled to his opinion. I believe in free speech, even if it offends me.

Amen! That's my point. I love the fact that Condell says whatever the hell he wants, in spite of the death threats. I don't know why some think we have to agree with everything he says in order to support his right to rant away.

John V

well said, but I agree with bryceman on the collective mentality of some (maybe many) atheists. Also, atheism should be viewed through the same social lens as other belief systems, because it is a "belief", and fills the same need in us atheists as religion fills in the kristian's world.

I read an article recently on "extreme" atheism, which painted a picture as damning as that of extreme "religious" organizations!!

John V, Ron Paul is not an atheist. He is a Christian and attends a Baptist church. See this interview: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/229/story_22909_1.html

Shiela amen sister, I'm a Christian and I let the atheist's slurs roll off me like water on a Duck's back. Can you image how boring and borg like society would be if we all agreed, sorta like a marxist/NDP convention. Spit, yuk.

GYM you are correct "Atheism" is a belief system, it's the belief that God doesn't exist. Some far leftard Atheists consider themselves morally superior to Christians and Jews but equal to Political Islam. Polical Islam and Atheism have alot in common, both want no seperation of state and it's people or seperation of state and Allah.

They scare the crap out of me but I want them to be free to spew forth their marxist socialist doctorine. I can't mock and scorn them if they aren't allowed to speak or is that mewl and snivel?

Sheila T, I never said "Yep, it would be much better if free speech like his [Condell's] wasn't allowed." I agree with free speech. What I actually said was:

"I hesitated to post on another thread Pat Condell's piece that Kate has posted here because of his adamant anti-Christian, atheist views, but his commentary was so good, I overcame my own prejudices."

I don't have to like the fact that Condell spews anti-Christian views, but I'll defend to the nth degree his right to spew them.

Shouldn't my right to free speech allow me to say that I don't like the fact that Condell is anti-Christian without your accusing me of being anti-free speech?

I don't go around dissing atheists or Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, or Muslims (can't say I'm thrilled about Islamofascists, though), so I might feel happier if Condell didn't go around dissing what happens to be my faith.

That's all I'm saying.

Will you defend my right to be unhappy and to say that I am--or would it be better that free speech like mine not be allowed?

I was commenting on this phrase by you, batb:
"It would be nice if Condell and others could, likewise, stash their anti-Christian views.."

It sure sounds like, by that phrase, that you want him to censor himself so you don't have to hear his anti-Christian views.

You have every right to and absolutely should voice your offence to his anti-Christian views. However, other Christians here voiced their objections to Condell's atheist views without expecting or wishing for him to self-censor only anti-Christian rants.

What I object to is your attitude that says Condell and others should censor themselves to make you happy (see your own statement above. And, no, you haven't been defending his right to say what he wants - you've been saying you want him to "stash his anti-Christian views" (self-censor) to appease you.

With the nutjobs at the HRCs trying to stifle free speech and scare the media and others into self-censoring, we don't need more people calling for censorship - even self censorship.

Thanks, Sheila T, for your response.

I am not, however, asking Pat Condell and other anti-Christian ranters "to appease" me. I'd simply appreciate their educating themselves.

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms one can make of Christianity, especially in the area of those who call themselves Christians either not acting or speaking like Christians--though fallen human nature will pretty well assure that every Christian, at some time or other, falls into these categories.

What I'm talking about when I say "stash their anti-Christian views" is suggesting that they do their homework when it comes to the Christian faith and at least be factual in their rants. I still defend anyone's right to uninformed rants, but wonder how they contribute in any meaningful way to a well-tempered dialogue.

Pat Condell, in pointing out the HRCs egregious errors--and the Islamofascists' as well--might occasionally look in the mirror and ask himself if everything he says is conducive to the furtherance of human rights--his and others. Surely our concern for "human rights," needs to recognize and defend what is truthful and factual. At least in his rants against radical Islam, Condell gets his facts straight which he doesn't do so well at when ranting about Christianity.

If he doesn't/won't do this in regards to the Christian faith, he still has the right to his opinions and to voice those opinions. I would never like to see these rights taken from him by any one or any group, especially the state. But, it might mean that his credibility will take a hit on the part of Christians who know that much of his animus towards our faith is petty, vindictive, self-referential, and not based in empirical evidence. What does it profit Condell, or anyone else, to base his rant on a lot of falsehoods and personal vendettas?

It is galling to see Judeo-Christianity, which posited and nurtured the values and principles upon which Western Civilization is based, debased so unstintingly and cavalierly in the West.

Check out, in Canada alone--and I'll use Toronto as an example as it's a location I'm familiar with--the origins of its major public institutions: All of the hospitals in Toronto were founded by Christian groups (except for Mount Sinai, which was founded by Jewish people) not for Christians (or Jews) alone, but for everyone: St. Mikes, Catholic; Toronto Western, Anglican; Sick Kids, Presbyterian; Toronto General Hospital the origins of which in the 1790s were "Christian duty and philanthropic concern" (from James Connor's book "Doing Good: The Life of Toronto's General Hospital".)

Check out the University of Toronto: St. Mikes and St. Regis, Catholic; Wycliffe and Trinity, Anglican; Knox, Presbyterian; Victoria and Emmanuel Colleges, founded by the Wesleyan Methodist Church in Canada; University College, the only original nondemoninational college at U. of T.

The judiciary in Canada, likewise, has deep roots in Judeo-Christian principles of freedom of the individual and equality before the law for all persons.

It is no coincidence that our judicial, educational, and medical institutions have their roots in Judeo-Christianity, seeing as the large majority of Canadians at the time of their founding were practising Christians. This is a fact which the revisionists today would like to deep-six. And while all "the experts" scratch their heads as to why our society is becoming increasingly less civilized, it never seems to occur to them that as the chattering classes debunk and ridicule Christianity and help to empty the churches, which until recently were the meeting places for the rich and poor alike and the launching pads for charitable enterprises--benefitting, BTW, those who often were not part of the congregations giving so generously of their time, treasure, and talent--that they are putting the axe to the tree which has sheltered and protected them and our society for almost two centuries.

This story can be replicated throughout Europe and the free world, which is becoming less free and more tyrannical as we cavalierly chip away at the roots of our rights and freedoms.

In my books, self censorship is called discretion, discrimination (in the best sense of the word), and self-discipline.

I've thought of this [religion and free speech], without hurting ones feelings. My parent's did believe their was a god {or whatever you want to call it}, you just don't need people ramming it down your throat every-time it's mentioned.

Old time religion {1950 yr. & back}, basically was a minister, a church and a meeting place for a community. This was a very common thing.

New time religion {1951 yr. & forward}, basically more people didn't need this sort of setting.

I really don't think beliefs have changed that much, accept that in the last 18yrs. we have the access to computers and telecommunication's. This has linked us to many different people worldwide and has expanded our knowledge of world views, peoples views, political views, religious views law / justice views and that is just to name a few.

Freedom of speech, writing and thought are now been policed by HRC?. Do we as an individuals or group really need this form of government looking over our shoulder. I don't think it is only the western values on rights that is being questioned it is also the eastern values on rights are being questioned now.

Do we {as western values} need to be called "Racist, bigot, hater, Islamophobe, bible thumping fairy in the sky worshiping neo con". "Thank you ROSE"

Frankly I don't care if I offend the leftards, Jihadies or the HRCs across the land. They can all flock off and take a running leap off a tall building. They've lost their power to censor and silence the right, that's why they support the HRCs. They need them to silence us, the leftards are powerless against us. "Thank you again ROSE" well said.

There is too many to name? The following are just a few that really P*sses me off.

The right? Is these the ordinary people whom are paying 90% of the taxes in the country to support the lefts agenda. YES?

The right? Is these the ordinary people whom are paying 90% of the taxes in the country to support the medicare system. You Bet. Is the medicare system failing?. Yes it is, they have band-aided this thing to death.

The right? Is these the ordinary people whom are paying 90% of the taxes in the country to support the school system that is teaching kids what they are learning today. You Bet. Are we now questioning what they are being taught, disciplined and at what cost. You Bet we are.

The right? Is these the ordinary people whom are paying 90% of the taxes in the country to support the idea of fairness for all peoples views, law / justice, political agendas, infrastructure just to name a few. You Bet because now the ordinary people can use the Internet/communication system of the blog-sphere, read any paper written in the world, compare views, argue over values from all over the world instead of reading one persons or listing to one persons opinions in MSM or communities get together.

The left still want to control what people think and do.

The industrial age gave people access to mobility with machine. The communications age has given the ordinary people whom are paying 90% of the taxes access to billions of peoples views with out the mediation of MSM, government agenda's, HRCs. Just to name a few.

The "Leftards" are trying to close lope as fast as they can. I wonder why?. Is it because the the ordinary people whom are paying 90% of the taxes are F*cking tired of have Sh*t rammed down their throat and hearing that the minority is more important than the majority.

To much is to much. I am very proud of the way I was raised. I do not think that 90% of my tax dollars needs to be wasted by 10% of the population "LEFTARDS" on their personal freedom agendas.

By the way "I HAVE BEEN BEING PAYING TAXES TO THE CANADIAN GOVERMENT SINCE I WAS 16 YEARS OLD. 35 YEARS.

All as I can say "is go right".