Michael Totten has shifted his attention to the Balkans; (Sorry - link fixed)
“We don't call them Wahhabis here,” a prominent Albanian woman told me. “We call them Binladensa, the people of Bin Laden.” Believe me, in Kosovo that isn’t a compliment.Posted by Kate at July 22, 2008 1:47 AM
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Posted by: allan at July 22, 2008 2:02 AM“We don't call them Wahhabis here,” a prominent Albanian woman told me. “We call them Binladensa, the people of Bin Laden.”
You know. I would feel a whole lot better if she and the rest just called them "dead terrorist pieces of crap". But of course,the Useless Nations had to screw that up too.When can we start sending some of these pedophile prophet followers to the homes of those who want to "negotiate" with them? I here Taliban Jack and Chow-Chow have some extra rooms in their subsidized housing.
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/07/the-bin-ladens.php
Thanks Fritz,for the link.
Posted by: Justthinkin at July 22, 2008 2:50 AM"Around a thousand mujahideen, veteran Arabic fighters from the anti-Soviet insurgency in Afghanistan, showed up in Bosnia in the mid-1990s to fight a jihad against Serbian Orthodox Christians. They thought they would be welcomed, and they were right. The European community imposed an arms embargo on all of Yugoslavia during the Bosnian civil war which preserved the imbalance of power and arms in favor of Slobodan Milosevic and his nationalist Bosnian Serb comrades in arms. The Bosnian army was multi-ethnic and multi-confessional – it included Serb and Croat Christians as well as Bosniak Muslims – but its leaders chose to accept help from the so-called 'Afghan Arabs' because they were desperate."
I seem to remember that the Maha Rushie (Hudson Limbaugh III) recommended in 1994 on his short-lived TV show that the Bosnian (Sarajevo gov't) arms embargo be lifted.
Jus' sayin'.
Now, who's going to write in to defend Radovan Karadzic?
Posted by: jwkozak91 at July 22, 2008 3:03 AMVery interesting article but I noticed Totten didn't write about major problems in western Europe caused by Albanians; drugs and prostitution.
I read somewhere that over 80% of all heroin on western European streets passes through Albania and the majority of eastern European prostitutes are pimped by Albanians.
Posted by: Stan Rogers at July 22, 2008 9:19 AMStan
criminals thrive where the law isn't secure.
As for Kosovo, it's nice to see that the "moderate Muslim" is not a fictional character. Too bad we have so many of the other kind in Canada...
Posted by: Warwick at July 22, 2008 11:19 AMGot an Error 404 on the hyperlinked URL.
Just go to Totten's home page at http://www.michaeltotten.com/
That works.
Posted by: Dave in Pa. at July 22, 2008 11:41 AMI'm glad to see somebody has actually managed to articulate exactly what happened during the whole Commies overthrown in Afghanistan episode.
This is one situation where the US is on the wrong side of history.
Posted by: set you free at July 22, 2008 1:12 PMSYF,
There was a lot of that "my enemy's enemy is my friend" business going on.
You will recall the cold war I'm sure.
Saddam was another one. Pinochet. Etc.
Churchill even made nice with Stalin much to his distaste.
Afghanastan was a nightmare for the Reds. You'll never know how history would have turned out without that war going as it did.
Posted by: Warwick at July 22, 2008 2:44 PMA whole generation of Afghanis have grown up with the idea of the normalization of violence. It will take some time to undo it.
Just like post world war II Germany, the idiot class thinks they can just pull out and everything will be fine. Wrong answer.
It will take more like a generation to fully shut down the idiots who think that blowing stuff up is the 'normal' way of proceeding.
Like de-Nazification, you will need a period of de-"Talibanization", de "Al-Quaeda-fication" because this rubbish just runs too deep.
The cross border stuff from Waziristan province in Pakistan continues to fuel the fire from their 'safe haven'.
Hence we have the "God Bless Hitler" signs in the aftermath of the Mo' cartoons.
http://www.n-tv.de/634520.html
See you in 10-30 years. Anybody, who thinks otherwise is just whistling past the graveyard.
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Warwick:
I agree that the Commies had to be driven out of Afghanistan.
But, when the veterans of that war went to Bosnia (a province of the former admittedly commie Yugoslavia), they carried on with agitations against the Serbian populace within ancient Serbian territory.
Historically, much of the Muslim population had been in Albania, but through their own brand of blockbusting, started encroaching and ethnically cleansing the Serb population.
When I was much younger, my mother had a friend who had grown up in the area.
Her take on it is that she considered the Muslim population much more agreeable than the Serbian population.
In appearance, Bosnians are more European-looking and both populations are of Slavic stock. Historically, the Bosnians were dhimmitized by invading Arab armies.
This new bunch (well, they've been there for 13 years) are more militant and I'm sure my friend's mother would have agreed they're a bunch of a**holes. They were the ones who stirred things up as a continuation of their mission in Afghanistan.
Unfortunately, the Serbs are sadly lacking in diplomatic skills. Because they were unable to articulate how these jihadists were encroaching on their land in the proper way, they lost the PR battle.
I have more Serbian friends than Bosnian and have not been afraid to tell them how they botched their case, basically because their leadership were basically post-Communist who misused nationalistic pride in their misadventure.
The entire area is a mess, of course and it always has been.
Posted by: set you free at July 22, 2008 3:31 PMAs someone with considerable experience in the Balkans (UNPROFOR/IFOR/SFOR/KFOR), let me point out the obvious again: the Muslims of the region are indeed, as Totten correctly pointed out, the most laid-back Muslims on the face of the earth.
Most Bosnian Muslims can be considered Muslims in about the same way that Woody Allen could be considered an observant Jew.
While the older Bosniac generation tends to be more observant, even their Islam - which stems from the Ottoman Turks (as does that of Muslim Albanians) - is markedly different in temperament from that of the Middle Eastern Wahhabists. Many Bosniacs made it very clear that they were uncomfortable with the doctrines and practices of their "co-religionists" from the Arabian peninsula. And their opinion of Iranian Shiite Muslims did not always bear repeating in polite company.
As for the Albanians, they might well have their hands in many things: the black market, prostitution and human trafficking, drugs and other assorted forms of crime and corruption. But as good as they are at those activities, they have no enthusiasm for jihad.
Neither the Bosnian nor the Albanian Muslim communities pose an Islamist threat to Europe. The Islamist threat to European nations resides within their own territories.
You are far more likely to encounter an Islamist extremist in Birmingham or L'Ile Saint-Denis north of Paris than down any back alley of Sarajevo or Pristena.
Posted by: JJM at July 22, 2008 4:44 PMBy the way, news of the capture of Radovan Karadzic turned a rather gloomy Tuesday just that bit brighter for me!
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!
Heh heh.
Posted by: JJM at July 22, 2008 4:48 PMA most enlightening read. I've changed my mind about Kosovo. I'd been skeptical about the recognition of Kosovo by the Canadian government recently but now I understand. Michael's journalism and accompanying photos are a far more effective explanation than the
Cdn. politicians and bureaucrats.
Some of the finest early Muslim propaganda in this long war came out of the Balkans. People still think the Serbs are evil and still think Srebrenicia was the scene of a massacre. America drank it down and bombed Christians to save Muslims. Canadas Gen. Louis McKenzie says the massacre was a fabrication and the war was fueled by Muslims killing Muslims for the sake of CNN. Time to correct a little history. Do you believe a Canadian General, who was there on the ground or do you believe Muslims?
Posted by: BL@KBIRD at July 23, 2008 1:05 PMIt seems like Totten has a Kosovar girlfriend or something. Or perhaps he has gone native.
Posted by: BL@KBIRD at July 23, 2008 1:10 PMAlbanian women are legendarily beautiful. I don't think I can bring myself to blame him. Envy him, maybe.
Posted by: ebt at July 25, 2008 4:09 PM