You know, there are wonderful Roman Americans all across the country who are doing wonderful things," the President told CNN's Larry King. "And for this to be used as sort of an insult, or to raise suspicions about me, I think is unfortunate. And it's not what America's all about."

Obama's reaction, both by his staff and his own personal remarks, reveals that he's in support of censorship. He rejects freedom of speech, which includes images and words that 'might offend'.

I'll bet that Bush simply laughed off that cover page - and all those other zillions of political cartoons mocking him, and all the 'hateful words' deriding him.

But Obama? He'd impose a censorship.

"I'll bet that Bush simply laughed off that cover page - and all those other zillions of political cartoons mocking him, and all the 'hateful words' deriding him."

Bush's departure may indeed mark the end of an era, what is good for the goose is never good for the gander so to speak.

I'm surprized it's Nero instead of Hitler or Charles Manson.

Because of the surge, never mind that Iraq's situation is getting better by the day to the point where troups are being taken out and sent to Afghanistan. Iraq took longer and cost more lives and tax dollars because the Bush Admin. appeased the left by tip toeing in instead of hitting hard in the first place.

Never mind that Bush called on the lift that banned off short oil exploration which the left have supported for decades with the powerful environazi lobby. Now the ball is in the DemocRAT's (Congress) court. Too little, too late. It will now take up to a decade before new oil is available.

Bush is far from perfect. He increased the size of Government. Raised the national debt. Continued "stimulating" the economy with low interest rates with non stop money printing. That's usually a no no for Republicans.

True right wing ideology and implimentation has been eroding since the 60's (With Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher as welcomed exceptions) because of the electorates (Read special interest groups) increasingly popular demands for socialism and big government.

The party's now over.

Now the world is on the brink of financial collapse (The world is abandonning and pulling out of a falling US dollar) which could lead to civil unrest and geopolitical conflicts down the road. partly due to the left and partly due to world banks who made credit too easy and the stubberness to avoid finding new sources of energy combined with the lack of foresight from the rise of India and China as economic superpowers now thisty for energy.

On top of off shore drilling, I predict the US will soon (Emergency) start converting coal into fuel (A proven thechnology develloped by the Germans during WW11) which you never hear about by the politicians or MSM. They have massive reserves of it. So does Canada which will also soon start the same.

North America will soon be on it's own and will be forced to create it's own carbon based energy to survive (Forget windmills/solar and electric cars: Thats for Obama moonbats). Protectionalism is at our footsteps which usually foretells war.

We are in for a very bumpy ride. The left is about to take a huge hit. A big fat dose of reality check cometh.

Yeah, but Obama's still going to win.

Ah, The Noo Yawkah in the good ol' days. Before they lost their collective minds and started doing to the Obamessiah what they previously reserved strictly for Republicans.

You know what the real difference between Republicans and DemocRats is? If a Republican sees a Democrat on the sidewalk, in flames, Mr. Republican -might- walk across the street to piss on him.

If a Democrat sees a Republican, he will knock him down and set him on fire. When the Republican is nicely in flames Mr. Democrat will throw gasoline on the fire. Even if it burns the whole neighborhood down. Even if its a Democrat neighborhood. Even if its HIS neighborhood where his house is, and his mother's house too.

These people must be defeated.

Obama might win the Democratic nomination, but that's all she wrote. I don't see POTUS in his future.

“Bread and circuses, throw the Christians to the lions, even if they are my supporters.!!"

What a hoot! Dancing with Big Cats!

And where is Vespasian’s Ninth Legion? As history would have it wiped out by the Britons.

Calgacus' speech before the battle of Mons Graupius.

"Battles against Rome have been lost and won before--but never without hope; we were always there in reserve. We, the choice flower of Britain, were treasured in her most secret places. Out of sight of subject shores, we kept even our eyes free from the defilement of tyranny. We, the last men on earth, the last of the free, have been shielded till today by the very remoteness and the seclusion for which we are famed. We have enjoyed the impressiveness of the unknown. But today the boundary of Britain is exposed; beyond us lies no nation, nothing but waves and rocks and the Romans, more deadly still than they, for you find in them an arrogance which no reasonable submission can elude. Brigands of the world, they have exhausted the land by their indiscriminate plunder and now they ransack the sea. The wealth of an enemy excites their cupidity, his poverty their lust of power. East and West have failed to glut their maw. They are unique in being as violently tempted to attack the poor as the wealthy. Robbery, butchery, rapine, with false names they call Empire; and they make a wilderness and call it peace."

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht,Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

Actually not bad, for leftbot black farce.

Considering that the twin towers came down in New York, how appropriate that the NEW YORKER magazine does a Nero fiddling while Rome burns send up.

This is in the same category as comparing the "9/11 truthers inside job" with the burning of the Reichstag.

Does anyone take these 'takin out the trash' cartoons seriously?

I'm surprised they didn't caricature Pres. Bush as Satan himself, replete with horns, cloven hoof feet, spade tail and pitchfork. They wouldn't need to change the background as it already has licking flames dancing about. No doubt, Mr. Ahmadinejad and Mr. Chavez would enthusiastically approve.

Don't young irresponsible teenagers draw this kind of stuff inside their binder covers while attending a history lecture on the Attila the Hun's sack of Rome?

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht,Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

A word of advice for Obama- Get over it already!

I dont know where you get Obama is all upset from.

When asked on day one he said no comment.

When asked on Larry King last night he said "it is a cartoon hardly worth being upset over, that is what the first ammendemnt is for. There are more imprtant things to worry about in this world than a cartoon"
I am paraphrasing somewhat but my content is correct.
He is not for censorship

People on his side are upset. If their words are Obama's words ,as some posters claim, then is Mac responsible for the "Nation of Whiners" line?

I think this cartoon coming out puts the rumours out there now and has the media proving or disproving the claims. This might actually work for Obama now.

The Leftists are giving us more proof they have no capacity to reason and lack basic common sense and decency.

"Among black voters, who are overwhelmingly Democrats, Mr. Obama draws support from 89 percent, compared with 2 percent for Mr. McCain."

89 to 2. But black people aren't racist. Nah.

"Among whites, Mr. Obama has 37 percent of the vote, compared with 46 percent for Mr. McCain."

Poll Shows Racial Division on Obama’s Candidacy

www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/us/politics/15cnd-poll.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

right of centre - I disagree. Obama IS in favour of censorship. His staff sent that comment that the cover was ...etc..

The fact that Obama permitted this reaction to be released - while he played the 'pure innocent victim' just shows exactly how manipulative he can be.

Obama's campaign has been focused around the tactic of divisiveness. He's set up the 'race card' - with his 'my grandmother being afraid of big black men'; he's set up the anti-Americanism with his long, long support for 'Rev'. Wright and his friendship with other black activists. He's set up the concept of divisions in America, with his open focus on them.

There have been other high level 'black' officials in the US govt. Powers and Rice come to mind. None of them, ever, played the 'race card' the way Obama does. They considered themselves first and only - American. And did their job as such. Obama, however, has focused deliberately on 'race' rather than his simply being American.

Every time I go to my Yahoo News page there's a live action caricature of George Bush doing some sort of down-south one foot stomp thing while his arms flail up and down and the look on his face is that of utter stuidity, take that for what it's worth. I still say if the grave doesn't take McCain by November the White House should.

"This might actually work for Obama now"

Good point ROC.
Torque up the "I am NOT a muslim" just like Kerry said "I AM TOO, a war hero.", and Gore said "I AM TOO an environmentalist" because "now" it's different.

Right of Centre: You have to understand that, in "ET World", someone on the left merely criticizing something or saying they don't like something is the same thing as being pro-censorship. Actual words used and spoken don't matter; only ET's interpretation of those words matter.

Curiously, by the same bizarre "ET logic" where criticism is the same as censorship, ET herself is clearly in favour of censorship since she wants to shut Obama down.

Richfisher

I guess the difference between the other two is that the press is doing the debunking rather than the candidate.

Will it work ? I guess we have to wait and see.

WTF- where do I say or even imply wanting to 'shut Obama down'? Hmmm? Kindly stick to the facts. Oh, an anonymity is the act of a coward.

The facts are that Obama's official team cricitized the New Yorker cover. The facts are that Bush has been imagized as just about every evil entity..and his office hasn't said a word.
Those are facts.

The facts about Obama are his pandering to identity groups, his division of the population into these groups - and his rejection of criticism when his behaviour is pointed out.

By all means, continue to revel in your emotional hatred of me - but, try to fit in some facts along with the morass of your emotions.

Never going to happen ET. Remember, there -are- no facts, only the narrative matters. As far as the Lefties are concerned, "there is no spoon".

Which of course explains why they make a dog's breakfast of anything they gain control over. There is too a spoon, and its sticking out of their friggin' collective arse where reality shoved it.

Do you think Macain doesnt pander and create division ET?

If Macain thought bad of the caricature does this mean he is in favour of censorship too?

The far left is usually in favour of censorship when it is a topic that offends them the same can be said of the Christian Right.

ET,

You seem to be a smart person, see if you can solve this riddle.

George Bush does not know how to play the lyre but he does know how to play the liar.

Does this make him unmusical or untruthful?

The facts are that Obama's official team cricitized the New Yorker cover. The facts are that Bush has been imagized as just about every evil entity..and his office hasn't said a word.
Those are facts.

The facts are that ET claims Obama is in favour of censorship. The facts are that ET has not provided one iota of facts to support that opinion.
Those are facts.

(As for anonymity being cowardly, ET, we are waiting patiently here for you to reveal your full name and contact information.)

Obama of course doesn't get upset when the satirical cartoon is Bush. Now, when the cartoon is of him and his nasty piece of work wife, well, now that's when he gets a little upset..... spineless Democrat, he is gradually allowing us to get to know him for the fraud he is....

right of centre - McCain's response had zilch to do with censorship but with political filiation. He had to critique the cover, or people like you would speculate that he, or the Republicans, were behind it...

And does the Christian Right impose censorship within the public domain or does it criticize? There's a difference, you know.

Now, back to Obama, who, if he wants to be President, is supposed to represent ALL the people and isn't supposed to divide the country into identity blocs. But he does. And when he's called out of that - he doesn't like such criticism. With his utopianism, Obama is a censor. You can't have one without the other.

"And does the Christian Right impose censorship within the public domain or does it criticize? There's a difference, you know."

Yeah, don't you get it ROC? When the right criticizes it is critism (even when they use the power of government to impose $700,000 fines for a milisecond flash of a nipple, I suppose). When the left criticizes, that is censorship. What could be more logical and obvious?!?!

Obama himself said he has no problem with the New Yorker cover because he believes in the First Amendment.

I'm curious: I wonder if he had a problem with the Motoon controversy. Did he site the First Amendment on that one?

I know he's a very sensitive cat. Blamed the US for 9/11 due to its "lack of empathy" just days after the slaughter.

What a crapp cariacture of Boosh that is. The nose looks right, the mouth looks right, and the gap between the nose and mouth looks right. But you have to struggle to see Chimmpy McHaliburton in that rendering.

"(even when they use the power of government to impose $700,000 fines for a milisecond flash of a nipple, I suppose)"

They broke the law.

"When the left criticizes, that is censorship."

You mean the HRC's? At least you got that right. Was it luck? Couldn't have been intelligence.

Yep Kate -- But most readers will see it as tasteless and offensive. And we agree."

I know I won't be able to sleep tonight - eh...

Re: Obama. We need to head him off at the pass. What pass might you ask?? The one that divides the tar sands from Saudi Arabia.
The biggest mistake humanity can perform is letting that guy into the White House. Oooops, forgot, we have Mr. Dion......

yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

As a guitarist I can't help but notice that Bush is dampening all the strings of the lyre with his left hand while he thumbs the strings with his right hand.

Looks like he's playing "Yer Blues"

My mother was of the sky
My father was of the earth
But I am of the universe
And you know what it's worth
I'm lonely wanna die
If I ain't dead already
Ooh girl you know the reason why.

The far left is usually in favour of censorship when it is a topic that offends them the same can be said of the Christian Right.

Hardly.

Other than wanting pornography kept away from children, want to back that statement up with one incidence where the Christian Right has tried to censor anyone? You made the statement now back it up.

As for the Left and censorship: how about the Dems trying to re-invoke, the not so fair and previosly repealed because of that, Fairness Doctrine again in Congress? Or, the rot at the HRC's in Canada? Or, how about the existence of FIRE.org which to dedicated to shutting down censorship on college campuses by the left, think they aren't busy? You really need to spend some time on their site to see the scope of the problem with the academic left and censorship. The evidence is pretty compelling that there isn't much symmetry in left/right censorship, ya think?

Oh, and, please don't respond to me unless you can with verifiable links demonstrate the Christian rights censorship offenses. Answering my question in that manner will show your sincerity

Okay, could somebody tell liberal ron how cool he is? Cause, like, he's a "guitarist" and all, and he knows the lyrics to Yer Blues.

I like what Hitch said about the cover. "It represented urban sophisticates making fun of lowly white proles in flyover country." (I paraphrase)You know, the voters Obama has had trouble getting, who went heavily for Hillary? The leftards will never get it that the way they keep getting spanked is on elitism. And here they put it on display again.

that Bush is dampening all the strings of the lyre with his left hand while he thumbs the strings with his right hand

As a conservative I can't help but notice that you are confusing propaganda with reality. I know this will come as a shock to you, but Bush did not actually pose for the picture. Here is another shocker "Li'l Bush" is a cartoon, not a reality show filmed at the White House."

penny-do I really need to find links for these

Christian right censorship

Harry Potter books
teaching evolution in schools
Movies-Passion of the Christ

Does teaching abstinance (sp) only in schools cover the realm of censorship?

Anyone who says that either "the Left" or "the Right" is more prone to censorship than the other is a complete idiot.

Left and right have their powermongers who want to control criticism and behaviour.

It is dangerous for a society to think that their censorship is OK and I have to give penny $1 for a sublime example: censoring broadcasters on displaying, for a milisecond and from afar, a nipple is not censorship because... wait for it... it's the law. OK, so all you have to do is write a law banning certain kinds of expression and then it's ok, then it doesn't count as censorship.

Meanwhile, in ET World, mere criticism is the same thing as censorship.

What a bizarre world we live in. Or put another way, what bizarre people live in our world.

wtf [aka truewest, aka ns]- you really have an obsession with me, don't you? Grow up, go get some counselling, get over it.

And actually, I don't know of any 'right' perspective that favours censorship. That's because the ideology of the right is based around freedom of the individual, while the ideology of the left rejects freedom of the individual and buries the individual within the homogeneity of the group. But don't worry, wtf,truewest,ns, you can be a 'complete idiot' all by yourself. Full of hate and anger..hmm. Go for that counselling.

right of centre - No, teaching abstinence isn't censorship. Abstinence is a mode of behaviour. To teach it is to make such a mode public; that's hardly censoring or repressing information about it!

Censorship means removing certain issues from public or even private debate. Such removal can obviously only be carried out by means of some authority, from parent to state.

You still haven't provided any links. Remember, one or two individuals asking that such and such not be allowed to be read or taught is not censorship.

Right of centre - yep, you really do need to find some links, my friend? Criticism of, boycotting or disapproval are far different than legislating for government censorship. Think you can grasp that? I boycott and disapprove of the NYT's, my name is not on any petition or legislative proposal for government censorship of the NYT's. They are free to print what they want. Censorship implies intervention.

One more time, show me one piece of evidence that the Christian Right has lobbied other than with pornography for government legislation to censor anyone? They haven't even been able to clean up pornography, for God's sake.

Does teaching abstinance (sp) only in schools cover the realm of censorship?

"Only"? You can't be referring to public schools, are you? In private schools teaching abstinance only is perfectly within their right. And, hey, even in a public schools if that is the community norm and is agreed upon they certainly can teach what they choose.

You really have done a fine job of exposing yourself as a muddled bigot. You can't define censorship. You have ridiculous preconceived notions about the poorly defined "Christian Right" which has always supported the First Amendment by the way. If you are a young person consider this is a much needed learning experience.

Religious right school boards have tried to ban harry Potter books...how can you debate that is not censorship?

Banning teaching of birth control as it doesnt match your values is censorship

They have tried to ban from theatres the Passion of the Christ that is censorship.

The only link I need to give you is for the definition of censorship cause some people dont know it
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/101977/censorship#tab=active~checked%2Citems~checked&title=censorship%20--%20Britannica%20Online%20Encyclopedia

Penny-If you think that the christian right doesnt legislate for goverment censorship.

Then you are a fool.

I dont owe you a link I dont owe you the labour to find what is common knowledge.

Do you think a civil discussion would be better for both of us or should you consider this a learning experience?

What is it with some people on here that have to start calling people names or make rude comments in their points.

To top it off they act like they are the smarter one. If your point is good why the childish crap?

I suggest less red meat and more fibre.

RoC, penny has made a most compelling argument and your intellectual pygmy response shows that you don't have a case.

I'd be a part of what you'd call the Christian Right. All I see happening is my rights being trampled by the censorship of the left, which, among other things, has effectively shut down any public debate re sex ed in the schools--"Do it when you want with a condom"--the homosexual and Green agendas, and is now working on crushing any public dissent re the "religion of peace". (BTW, along with virtually all public education institutions in this country, the MSM censors conservative opinion all the time: they refuse to allow conservative voices to explain their point of view and/or totally spin such views: using my $$, CBC is one of the worst offenders.) Non compliance with the left's politically correct diktat might mean an appointment with the nearest HRC.

You have most certainly not made your case. I don't think you can. But, if you should have a real argument to back your flimsy assertion, bring it on.

ROC:

Are you always this smarmy or do you have to work at it?

Trust me, you're nothing special.

And illiterate to boot.

To top it off they act like they are the smarter one.

Listen you poor kid or soul if you are over 25, you are the only one here that hasn't figured out it isn't a question of "acting". I'm done with your redundant stupidity and obfuscation, but, narcissistic trolls being narcissistic trolls I'm sure you'll linger for awhile trying to bait someone else to wasting time with you.

If you are insulted, good. If you aren't as stupid as I think you are, then, after reviewing your silly comments here, you'll salvage what you can of an attitude and mind hell bent on a trouncing and find peers more accepting.

Adios.

The more name calling you give me the more I know your argument is weak.

Do you guys even know what censorship is? It is the changing or the suppression or prohibition of speech or writing that is condemned as subversive of the common good. How in the world can you deny the christian right doesnt do this?
You can describe it anyway you want but if somebody tries to take away my freedom to watch/read/listen then it is censorship

Tell you what, you guys google PABBIS. They are a Christian organization that tries to remove books from libraries that they see not fit for the public. Sounds like censorship. They even have a list. Is this the smoking gun I had to show your complete denial?

If you definition of censorship doesn't fit this than we on two different topics.

PS...you can bring up the left doing it but I dont recall sticking up for them either.

Still pushing out smary generalizations.

ROC:

Your robotic generalizations and prejudicial statements about the ‘Christian right,' whatever that is, mean nothing.

Christianity is a religion, not a political movement.

Render onto Ceasar what is Ceasar's, render onto God what is God's is the first time in history where a distinction was drawn between church and state.

Ignorance of this particular basic tenet does not make you intelligent, it makes you ignorant. And, you prove it every time you float these false accusations.

Sorry, not buying.

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Thanks for adding to the conversation Set You Free. I hope they didn't teach you in school that the person with the best insults wins the discussion.

I dont care if it is 1 million circus clowns trying to ban a book or 2 doctors, it is censorship if they take my freedom of choice away from me with political pressure.
Just because a group doesnt like it doesnt mean you can deny me of that book.

Christian right or ACLU.

"Religious right school boards have tried to ban harry Potter books."

How the f#(*@ does a school board ban a book? And how would your kid end up in a religious school without your permission? Do they have religious police to around and smash windows in bookstores? Oh no, that would be your sainted Muslims.

Sorry about that last comment, please delete it, I meant to say Muslims under Sharia.

"censoring broadcasters on displaying, for a milisecond and from afar, a nipple is not censorship because... wait for it... it's the law. OK, so all you have to do is write a law banning certain kinds of expression and then it's ok, then it doesn't count as censorship.'

Another fine example of a non-intelligent life form attempting to communicate. The law came before the nipple, idiot.

"What is it with some people on here that have to start calling people names or make rude comments in their points."

The master of ad hominem attacks has the audacity to point his finger? 'Right of centre' my ass.

"I suggest less red meat and more fibre."

You mean granola, don't you?

Wow to have a conversation with some posters is absolutely pointless.

I bring up my concerns about certain groups trying to censor things and natuarally I am a granola eating muslim lover.

If this is how some posters rush to judge then I should consider this when I read their judgements on other topics too.

If you dont know how a school board bans a book Tim then perhaps you should go to a school board meeting. They can ban it from libraries and remove from the circulum. They can even ban the book from being in the school. This happens in a public school system not just christian schools.

Tim- could you please explain how you came to the conclusion that I am a muslim lover. Please show everybody that you dont jump to conclusion with no evidence. It sure would make you look bad.

Right of center is a granola eating muslim lover, but he is right on this topic

Right of center is a granola eating muslim lover, but he is right on this topic

Right of Centre = another liberano LIE.

RoC is as right of centre as I am left of Fidel.

Lying loser.

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Free
Are you the old guy down the street that keeps yelling at the kids to get off his lawn?

Well gotta go, I have to drive my scooter back to the Mosque and pick up my Birkenstocks.

Funny I give a requested example so in Penny's defence she insults and takes her ball and goes home.

Now who is the kid again?

I will save my discussions for adults next time.

So Irwin, in your world, as long as you pass a law censoring expression, then it's OK. The law says you can't display nudity, so it's not censorship because it is the law. Nice circular logic there. Do feel the same about hate laws? The law says no hate speech is allowed, therefore is that OK simply because a law has been passed? How absurd.