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Beware! Those of hysterical bent may report you to the RCMP Bad Joke Department, since the HRCs are already up to their limit in comedy cases.

Liberals should die for their environmental concerns...Ha Ha.

Hate speech is funny.

What a crooked pair of questions in the Harris-Decima poll!

that's odd - the poll below doesn't provide anything like the decima harris poll does.

Arthur Sandborn from Greenpeace said in a statement, "Clearly, the G8's leaders still have not grasped the urgency of combating climate change.'
NOW THAT'S FUNNY!

3dotrobbinssceresearch.com/polls/poll_505.html

24/7 these wheather worshippers never stop with the spin, no matter how outragious. As I have said before even the NDP loons at work don't believe this stuff for an one instant.

This article is just full of nonsense - I had to re-write this post twice before giving up on which choice quote to put here. Sheesh.

Environmental advocates cited the survey as yet another indication that Canadian popular opinion is outpacing more cautious politicians when it comes to climate change.

And the absurdity continues...

The sad part of all thiks is how the spin is too obvious on the part of the media.
Anyone that reads the poll question can see the majority response by those polled indicated they want something done about the dependence on fossil fuels. Why? Because the concern is about the cost of filling ones tank, not on environmental concerns.
I've got a prediction for the next election that (to be brief) its not so easy selling a tax increase when its coupled with the prospect of having your million dollar property devalued to 200 K.

The questions didn't even mention the climate!! Can't we sue these fraudster pollers with false advertising??

Harris-Decima is as Liberal as it can get. The Liberal view of things always comes out on top with the odd exception thrown in to try to fool the masses.

The MSM love Harris-Decima, that says it all.

They do give some time to Nik Nanos who is considered the most accurate and less biased.

Polls should never be allowed during an election because lazy voters rely on them and go with what the polls are saying. That's meddling in the democratic process. If people haven't got a clue what's going on, can't take time to listen or read, they really should not be voting.

To answer the original question, "What would we do without pollsters?"...well, have our opinion respected without spinning it to meet the polling client's preconceptions.

Having made a career in statistical process control, I am constantly disgusted at how some pollsters manipulate data sets and read in ridiculous conclusions based in inadaquate data sets or "flash" trending. Add to this the fact that the imprecise "data" collected is not hard fact but a fleeting toss off reaction to a leading question or flawed premise, and the whole political polling process as a mathematically viable "science" is very doubtful.

Politically and economically, it is also too great a temptation to give the poll commissioner/client the results they want....given the public money spent on governing by poll and partisan propagandizing by poll. The polling/social stats field is competing for a lot of government money/clients. It follows that accuracy and science take a back seat to client satisfaction and repeat business.

Political polls are for dogs and critical analysts to pee against.

Listen, here in the USA , oil will be burning for a thousand more years.

Al Gore and his million dollar global warming business is nothing but a sham.

So, my Canadian friends, just because you live in a left wing liberal country, don't think Americans are going to help you get out of your global warming hysteria.

Trust me, global warming is a socialist myth.

The earth will be here in a thousand years and by that time, Canada will be all muslim.

God Bless.

Burning liberals in my car?

I dunno if I want to breathe those fumes either! Can't we compost them or something?

But... isn't there a elected Liberal shortage?

One Canadian/American Liberal rendered into biofuel = how many litres/miles per gallon for my car?

My engine whines too much as it is.

Why would the Crooked Liberal Party du Quebec ever not use a dishonest, lying, crooked polling company to get fake answers to their tainted polling?

Liberal Party creed:

All the lies, all the time!

When are we Conservatives going to demand a full public inquiry seeing how Chretien and Martin knew about Omar Khadr being tortured, yet did nothing to stop it?

I believe tests will prove they produce more combustable biproducts in their unrendered state. We've just got to figure out how to harness it all. Storage site at 1 Yonge to serve Toronto better?

No washroom stalls were photographed during the production of this comment.

Of course they did not ask those that support the aggressive option if they drive a car to work, a bus or a bicycle, or if they go to work at all. They do ask though they are not telling, I know, participate in surveys.
In fact one of the well known outfits was doing a survey on the subject, my answers probably irritated the survey engine so much, when asked who you voted for in last election, answer was conservative, the survey promptly thanked for participation and shut down, which, if you are familiar with surveys, normally does not happen. These are online surveys.

It looks like they nailed the second question in the projected favorable result by the last part “are also less damaging to the environment.” That likely tipped the balance.

Perhaps they should ask questions like ‘what would be the favorable source of energy’ informing the questioned about the darkness of the night for solar power, windless day for wind power and such.

The environ - mentalists are on the roll, they need the government to tax everybody so they can have the luxurious life, because they are the good people.

Arthur Sandborn from Greenpeace said in a statement, "Clearly, the G8's leaders still have not grasped the urgency of combating climate change.'

As johnnyonline said, this is funny. It's extremely naive for these people to believe that the human race can combat the ever changing climate and immense force of mother nature. We can't even accurately predict the weather, so why do all these alarmists believe they are 100% correct about what's going on based on their models?

Render liberals into bio fuel ? - I should think not, the fat content alone would clog the tail pipes. On the other hand the brain matter content would be negligible...

"Polls should never be allowed during an election" -- This I agree with. I think polls really do distort the democratic process and skew voting . . . as bad or worse in my mind than people discovering results before polls are closed.

Khadr poll that needs to go wrong for the MSM !

http://www.ctv.ca/canadaam

"Canadians want tough action on climate: poll"

The poll isn't about climate change its about finding cheaper fuel.

"The survey indicates many Canadians profess to want environmental actions that push the country toward greener, alternative sources of energy -- regardless of cost."

Regardless of the cost??? I didn't read that in the poll.

The MSM and the pollsters that work for them are pulling out all the stops as more and more science and facts are revealing the man made global warming scare is a myth.

Who knew?

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19926634.800-cleaner-skies-explain-surprise-rate-of-warming.html?feedId=online-news_rss20

These are the two poll questions. Both are severely flawed; I would have failed each and any student in my Method's Class who came up with such questions.

Question 1: "Some people say that the high cost of oil and gasoline is a reason why we should take a slower, more cautious approach to dealing with environmental issues such as climate change, so that we don't drive up the cost of fuel and the cost of living even further.''

Question 2: "Others say that the rising price of fossil fuels is a reason we must move even more aggressively to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels and find alternative sources of energy that are also less damaging to the environment.''

I couldn't even begin to point out the flaws. A basic flaw is that there is NO difference in the basic data of these questions. Both focus on only one issue: the costs of energy.

Neither refers to any strategy to dealing with the environment. The 'throw away' line in question two about the envt is irrelevant.

The difference is only in a 'cautious' vs 'aggressive' approach to dealing with the costs to us of higher gas/oil. And of course, neither term is defined and is therefore entirely and totally subjective. That ends, right there, any validity to the answers.

Nothing like a Liberal poll! All hail Dion!

Carl re ctv poll going wrong

CanadaAM poll on Kid Terrorist

should omar khadr be brought back to Canada
Yes 27%
No 73%

Read the comments in the article Re: PM's Opinion
not reflective of the poll, Imagine that.

What has me even more concerned than this climate alarmism is the fact that despite the vast majority of people I work with seeing it as a load of nonsense, the MSM and the political class just can't let it go. It's as though they've painted themselves into this corner of collective hysteria and don't know how to escape it. When is a politician going to have the guts to say, "Look, this global warming stuff is a load of hysterical nonsense. Let's drop it. Let's move on to serious issues."?

But they would still give off co2, I think they should all be sealed up in airtight containers.

Well of course we are going to see a gazillion Liberal bias polls on the environment and tons of MSM doom and gloom (Theyre keeping their fingers crossed on a major hurricane or two. More so now with the G8's unanimous decision which just gave a serious blow to the environazi movement and their future cash flow of funds) until election time...It's all SYNCHRONIZED with Dion's cross (Double cross?)country Green tax Shaft plan. Even poor Jennifer Wright is in for a rough ride by the MSM. Although Shawinigate, Adscam, HRDC boondoggle to name a few were "tough" for journalists to dig for facts, there is going to be plenty of "digging" about Ms. Wright coming out. Let's see her friend's little cousin twice removed use to date Mike Harris neighbor.

All that Liberal synchronisity...And who said Stephane Dion was not a leader?

My apologies all i mean't to post that poll comment in the readers.

Render down Liberals? The byproduct would be difficult to deal with. I suppose one could sell the bull to market and use the shit on the garden.

Here is, without a doubt, a summary of the discussion that occured between Harris Decima and the Canadian Press when commissioning the poll:

Problem: We need to craft a poll on AGW that will generate results appearing to give the impression Canadians support the Liberals Green Shift.

PRESTO!!: Ask a question that assumes high energy prices are the result of the Harperites (to use the Jeffrey Simpson appellation) "lack of strong action on AGW". There are a lot of stupid people who don't know this isn't true and are hurting from the current energy price spike.

Canadians are super hypocrites on this issue. They are totally green unless it actually costs them anything.

Eighteen months ago, before oil and gasoline prices went through the roof, similar poll questions showed that 70% of Canadians favoured strong action BY GOVERNMENTS on climate change. Subsequent questions determined that only about 14% of those surveyed would be willing to pay even $100 per year to support anti-greenhouse gas initiatives.

I'll bet that 14% number is even lower now that fuel costs are so much higher. The poll is total BS.

Canadians are too economically illiterate to realize that whatever government does costs them money personally, but love to bask in the warm glow of paying higher taxes to make themselves feel virtuous, no matter what the outcome. We delegate responsibility to governments, then totally fail to measure their effectiveness.

Pathetic, but that's what makes le shaft vert so dangerous. It is a perfect, expensive but empty politically correct gesture, paid for disproportionately by the West.

Canadians are super hypocrites on this issue. They are totally green unless it actually costs them anything.

Eighteen months ago, before oil and gasoline prices went through the roof, similar poll questions showed that 70% of Canadians favoured strong action BY GOVERNMENTS on climate change. Subsequent questions determined that only about 14% of those surveyed would be willing to pay even $100 per year to support anti-greenhouse gas initiatives.

I'll bet that 14% number is even lower now that fuel costs are so much higher. The poll is total BS.

Canadians are too economically illiterate to realize that whatever government does costs them money personally, but love to bask in the warm glow of paying higher taxes to make themselves feel virtuous, no matter what the outcome. We delegate responsibility to governments, then totally fail to measure their effectiveness.

Pathetic, but that's what makes le shaft vert so dangerous. It is a perfect, expensive but empty politically correct gesture, paid for disproportionately by the West.

Making Liberals into biofuel?:

Carbon Energy is a byproduct of decayed LIVING organisms...

So to make fuel out of Liberals is a chemical impossibility.

That's an upside for Toronto...Bush is not going to invade them!

As a right-wingers, I've got to disagree with most of the opposition to this poll. I think it is a good one. It is testing whether Canadians are willing to endure some pain in switching from an oil economy.

I am skeptical about climate change, however for geo-political reasons, we must shift from oil. 1. The spread of Islamism (often in its Wahabbist form) is fueled by oil. 2. Russia is eyeing the Canadian Arctic because of oil (we could stunt Russias power over Europe by finding alternatives to oil. India and China will engage in dubious relationships (ie support for Sudan, giving nukes to Iran) in order to secure oil supplies for their economies.

Climate Eco-fundamentalism aside, there are many other good reasons to shift from an oil based economy. Canada should be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in finding new methods of energy delivery. Unless we do, the eco-marxists will use these issues to destroy Western society, and we could face some nasty geo-political outcomes for our lack of vision.

North America needs energy independence and the world needs sources of fuels that don't come from countries which want to destroy Western civilization ...

I will not spend money on a puked motor burning their renderings in it.

Spread them on a field like the manure they are.

Instead of wrecking life, they can help nurture it...

Half of Canadians have been damaged enough to believe that the Russians, Chinese or Germans would be better neighbours than the Americans,

that capitalism is bad,

that big govt is good,

that Canadians have as many rights as Americans,

that Canada has a Justice system rather than a legal system,

that Canada's media is unbiased and agenda free,

that Canada has a good constitution,

that all Canadians are equal,

that Canada has free speech,

that Liberals care about the environment.

The correct answers are:

1. You gotta be kidding.
2.Where have you been for the last 100 years?
3.Just imagine the tens of thousands of Canadians who have an interaction with their govt today. Poor sods.
4.Blame TV.
5.Lawyers.
6.CBC/ Toronto Star
7.No.
8.The politically correct capitol of the world? Ha!
9.Human Rights Commissions.EWWWW!
10.The next election will be a national IQ test.

"We should round up every elected member of the Liberal Party of Canada and render them into biofuel"
Ummm, you do realize that'd exclude Senators?

Don't think I could tolerate the smell of the exhaust, and the loss of horsepower would be unacceptable.
Might I suggest that the appropriate 'Green' response would be to put them in rickshaw harness thereby saving money on gas, getting a few cars off the road (in Ottawa), and helping the poor sods shed a few pounds no doubt gained at the Parlimentarian's dining room.

ROFL. Thanks Kate.

That poll no more shows "Canadians still want aggressive government action to fight climate change" than it shows that Canadians prefer sex with farm animals. Is there some criminal aspect to this fraud?

The dumbing down and distortion of the English language knows no bounds it seems. The phrase "war on climate change" is such an example. What about a war on gravity or a war on the rotation of the earth.

The claim made of Canadians wanting aggressive government action to "fight climate change" regardless of the cost is too absurd for words. Even assuming people actually responded this way, I have found liberals (lefties) to be more tight-fisted than others. Oh they are very free at spending other people's money as long as they do not have to shell out personally.

For me all this just confirms how useless polls are, which is why it is a shame that politicians take them the least bit seriously.

"We should round up every elected member of the Liberal Party of Canada and render them into biofuel"

Why stop at elected members of the Liberal Party of Canada? What about the unelected Liberal senators? What about the Dippers, Greenies and Bloc? What about provincial "Progressives"? What about the vast resource that is the lefty sheep electorate of Canada? Exploiting that resource would not only provide a vast supply of energy, but it would provide an even greater amount of conservation as the carbon hoofprint of the hypocritical majority is removed. Hell, with this plan we could start revolutions in Venezuela, Iran and Saudi Arabia.

You gotta think big man.

Rather than polluting the environment further with Liberal biofuel, I think they should be sequestered and shot into space.

stupid continues to be the order of the day.

An Interesting Idea Kate. Can we use Has been politicians as well to recycle? It would only be fit, don't yeah think? I wonder how many Wheat board fanatics can make a gallon of gas, & is the fuel full of lead or gold? Most likley just methane gas.

YO BUSH!

Sure roughly 75% of Canadians are Leftards whereas that number is closer to 55% in the USA; but, if you look at gross numbers that means there are over 165 million tards in the USA compared to only 2.25 million tards in Canada.

I think that means that the USA could be a major exporter of the proposed Bio-fuels.

Too bad we couldn't use the BS from leftards for fertilizer, that might drop the price of potash a bit.

YO BUSH!

Sure roughly 75% of Canadians are Leftards whereas that number is closer to 55% in the USA; but, if you look at gross numbers that means there are over 165 million tards in the USA compared to only 2.25 million tards in Canada.

I think that means that the USA could be a major exporter of the proposed Bio-fuels.

Too bad we couldn't use the BS from leftards for fertilizer, that might drop the price of potash a bit.

Designed for Sex
What We Lose When We Forget What Sex Is For

by J. Budziszewski

http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-06-022-f

A little while ago I had the displeasure of seeing Alan Gregg the founder of Decima research on TV.

His role apparently was to bad mouth the Conservative government and that's exactly what he was doing.... every last topic he commented on involved badmouthing PM Harper and NONE of what he said was factual.

It is always wise to check out the question before believing the results,esp.when Harris-Decima is involved. Their poll last week on the green shift was framed something like" Dion's green plan will end poverty and save the planet. Do you support it?".Who wouldn't?

I was surprised to see the headline and article, but it all makes sense once one gets to see the questions asked.

And of course the media simply parrot the global warming party line, and here's yet another example. Here http://news.aol.com/story/_a/mountains-glaciers-grow-defying-trend/20080710092609990001 the glacier is GROWING, but don't worry, they assure us it'll be shrinking before we know it.

I'm not the brightest of people around but I'm almost to the point of putting on my acting shoes and running for the LPC. Maybe that's what needs to happen. Put a bunch of us in there to completely hijack the party, steal millions, create totally absurd legislation...

...holy shite. I've been beaten to the punch!

Pollsters, MSM and the LPC are all joined at the hip... all in bed with each other in a perverse amalgum.

When the SSM debate was still in the news, pollsters completely ignored Harper's compromise position of "civil union" recognition. It didn't matter that it came from the Leader of the Official Opposition at the time. No, they dismissed his proposal as coming from a silly, insignificant man, as if he was the leader of the Rhinos, to be instantly dismissed.

You see, the truth is this... if Harper's position was added to the polling questions at the time then support for full SSM recognition would've dramtically dropped, probably into the 10-20% range with Harper's position getting about 70% ... the remainder opposed to any change to the status quo.

Imagine the headlines the MSM would have to put out as a result: "MAJORITY OF CANADIANS SUPPORT HARPER COMPROMISE WHILE LESS THAN 20% SUPPORT THE LIBERALS' POSITION"

Just the thought of having to convey that message to the public gave MSM and pollsters the willies! And so best not include Harper's position if order to inflate the numbers supporting the LPC position.

Ahh ...I got nothin agin the Poles. Nice race.

Sad to see the amount of money that is being wasted on this fraud, global warming. it is 48 degrees here in southern Alberta tonite, July. Think about it you lefties, you are robbing the hungry for a fraud, does that not bother you sanctimonious bastards. this is a lie and you know it, you are perpetuating it for money, does that not make you sick. People can't feed their kids, can;t fill their cars with fuel, can't afford a house and you environmental whores like Suzuki and Gore continue this monumental theft! You purveyors of this BIG LIE are the lowest form of life.

Bartinsky @ 1:24 a.m. Don't waste your breathe. If the leftards had any moral compass, they would have learned their lesson with the whole DDT fiasco. They haven't. They are perfectly willing to sacrifice millions of African lives at the altar of radical environmentalism.

I'm a physician - and was asked to participate in a phone poll. The first question - two options:

I believe that:

1. Health care in Canada is fine
2. Health care in Canada is in crisis

I just said I didn't want to participate after that.

[quote]Think about it you lefties, you are robbing the hungry for a fraud, does that not bother you sanctimonious bastards. this is a lie and you know it, you are perpetuating it for money, does that not make you sick. People can't feed their kids, can;t fill their cars with fuel, can't afford a house and you environmental whores like Suzuki and Gore continue this monumental theft! You purveyors of this BIG LIE are the lowest form of life.[/quote]

Bartinsky,
The system has dealt with their kind before; they just don't see it coming. This GORE Cult has no empathy for the consequences on those PLL, which are most vulnerable. We have to watch out for our parents & grandparents.

I have an old friend from Boston that went through a nightmare RE: Jimmy & Tammy Bakker. His elderly parents required his constant supervision, every two weeks, because his mother would send all their money to Jim & Tammy. They would have no medication & be eating pet food... He could not convince his mother that Humanity starts with ONE.

The damage done, to the quality of life, by Gore & Company will be measured in hate.

When are we Conservatives going to demand a full public inquiry seeing how Chretien and Martin knew about Omar Khadr being tortured, yet did nothing to stop it?

Posted by: Steve Thomspon at July 10, 2008 9:31 AM

Steve-the baby terrorist is where he belongs, leave him there. The question should be, why haven't we sent the rest of the family so they can be together...somewhere else.

Don Uthole, you need to do some research. Here's a good place to start:

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/2008_06.html

The phrase "war on climate change" is such an example. What about a war on gravity or a war on the rotation of the earth.

As long as it's a WAR, Quebecers will run the other way...

This poll gave me a bumpersticker idea. I was going to get one that said "every time I start this truck, a polar bear drowns" but instead I think "this vehicle powered by Soylent Green" might work too.