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July 7, 2008

Saddam Hussein's WMD Moved To Canada

Don Surber adds the "rest of the story";

There is a happy ending. [550 metric tonnes of yellowcake] is not in the hands of terrorists, thanks to President Bush’s actions for which he has been hammered by the left for 5+ years.

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There is a reason Bush has not fought back against critics: National security. There are secrets a president cannot divulge in his lifetime. History vindicates the Harry Trumans — and punishes the Bill Clintons. Never equate popularity with quality.

Posted by Kate at July 7, 2008 5:14 PM
Comments

CBCpravda reported this as not dangerous. that it could have been used as a weapon of mass panic. "just " a dirty bomb that could poison a water system.

nothing to get upset about folks , move along.

Posted by: cal2 at July 7, 2008 5:28 PM

Must be a wrong story - Saddam had no nuclear weapons program - the UN has said so.

Posted by: Fred at July 7, 2008 5:40 PM

What was that story about Syria trying to ship some stuff to some African country, only to have said shipment refused entry and sent back to Syria?

Nothing to do with the former So Damn Insane regime?

Posted by: Bruce at July 7, 2008 5:53 PM

The UN knew about it after the first Gulf War. This had nothing to do with Bush's casus beli.

Quick now, off to the hospital. They'll patch up that hole in your foot.

Posted by: anon at July 7, 2008 5:58 PM

if you saw the movie of big weapon canadian innovaed to attack Iran in war between Iran and Iraq late Sadam used that weapon to attack Isreal and later sadam was out because of this attack and all sadam has nuclear weapn was nonesen he does not have one

so as recent betwen Iran and USA saying Iran has nucler just for foound bully way to bohther Iran and relatiohship of Iran and Caanda get worste

in end of move I saw few years ago Jewish cAnadain are killed the canadain english innovator of big weapon
this real sotry proof real terrroust can kill and still is crime was jewish terrorst as well

nwo take the look German all chemcial weapn cause each Iranian soldure are get hit by those chemcial weapn die gradualy over a month in hospital and scream of too many pain
again chemicla weapn of german is no problems they are find in war crime an nobody did put tehm in trial

next is all kewiti and Saudi and Egypet send soldure to go and kill Iranian with no ground in 25 years ago fight sha and sonni
while all those kindgom now today bring with Iraq govement pork and alchol or dubai UAW is kins of UAE is behind all those alchoel businss to torutist in DUbai

and then sep 11 and destroy all Canadain hate Candian muslim nd obther them and all hate crime and all discrimiantion later they find otu that was not job of Muslim that was job of USA
look when oklahama bomping in USA did by them
all war in japan
then msut review

not christian and jewish or muslim to fiht wtih

this fight for muslim and christian and jewish is only a game only dummy can play it

we msut review govement

first USA govement
next: Isreal goverment
german goverment
ALL kingdom egypt, ordon, England, Saudi, Kewit and Dubai need to reveiw their govment may not need to have king to run all nonsense any more and let queen elizabeth go and take care of her grand sons out of drug to think to give criminal drug dealer become king for future of england sorry that is true if prine william is doing drug trafficing this is big crime can lead him up to 5 years in jail and then . prine willima need real mother not Camila nd he need a job not go to celbeity pary any more to fix him I feel sorry for him and his brother I blame camila

what at teh end we need real trail for real people behind this crime

if we have real law and real jdugemnt and jsutice all problmes can be resolve

Posted by: new at July 7, 2008 5:59 PM

That’s good enough for me and the other 30% of America who has stood by the Best President of the 21st Century — George Bush.

Add me to that 30%. History will judge GWB in the same positive light that exonerated Truman past his negative ratings at the end of his term once an honest impartial overview of the merits away from the media and partisan politicians is established with time.

It would have cost 250,000 lives to storm the beaches of a refusing to surrender Japan. They were warned of the a bomb beforehand, bless Truman for having the guts to finally end it. I'm putting that our there for the first little lefty knucklehead to process before posting.

Saddam was scanctioned by the UN, warned, given multiple chances to let inspectors do their job, and the US Congress agreed by a vast majority vote that he needed his ass kicked. Again, I'm putting that our there for the first little lefty knucklehead to process before posting.

How quickly we forget.

Posted by: penny at July 7, 2008 6:15 PM

I got a real laugh from this "Secret" shipment
because it goes back to July 2004 where the BBC.UK did a full-page story on the Internet .

The only difference for the Media to report this as a crisis is that the Canadains that make a living from bashing the USA and Bush are trying to use this to bash Harper for being friends with that evil oppressive USA , although the CAW may now rue that day they stayed Mute when Chretien/Martin/Perish were mocking the Americans as slacked-jawed morons with a idiot Christian president.

Just wait until the Education and Health Care
dollars start to dry up from the loss of some Trading and exporting with the big bad Great-Satan USA , I wonder if Buzz Hardgrove will sell his OOC and give the money to the CAW unemployed who still remember Buzz on stage with Martin who allowed MP Parish to bash BUSH just to appease the Arab/Muslim jew-haters in Mississauga .

The only blessing from the Islamists in canada is that they will kill-off all the Leftists and FeniNazis first which will tire them down before that rest of us prepare to stop them at the gates
in Ottawa , it's a bit sweet n sour because the CBC will go first and we won't get to see Layton,Chow,Sicksay,Libby Davies,Judy Rebeck,Kyle rae,Bonb Rae,David Miller or Dan McTeague having their heads sawed off with a dull knife while Muslims praise Allah and Muhammad .
I was hoping to see them cry out that Islam is a religion of Peace and not all Muslims are terrorists but mere Victims of Islamophobia which drives them to murder civilians to prove islam is a Peaceful faith .

Posted by: Roger at July 7, 2008 6:27 PM

Where did Hussain get the yellow cake?

Posted by: Don Uthole at July 7, 2008 6:28 PM

Africa, Don. That's where the stuff comes from. He bought it, probably with oil-for-fraud UN money.

Posted by: The Phantom at July 7, 2008 6:34 PM

Yes, anon, the UN knew about it. But did anyone mention it when all the leftards were screaming "where's the WMDs"? No, they didn't. They wanted a "smoking gun", and ignored the fact that Hussein had all the parts and programs in place to manufacture plenty of "smoking guns", but no actual "smoking gun".

Posted by: pete at July 7, 2008 6:36 PM

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you "rightwing bush-hitler haters" have got it all wrong...
"yellowcake" is simply a tasty iraqi snack food.

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Posted by: neo at July 7, 2008 6:37 PM

hey new , if your going to be a fake arab , please spell kuwaiti. Im starting to think you are typing with your left arse cheek.

see you in the HRC

Posted by: cal2 at July 7, 2008 6:41 PM

Thanks. If they got it from Africa, do they know exactly where? I thought it was technically possible to determine the source of uranium from its makeup.

Posted by: Don Uthole at July 7, 2008 6:43 PM

Where from? .. short answer Niger and Congo.

My long answer got caught in the spam filter !!!!

And yes it is possible to identify where it came from.
Thank the UN for covering their ass instead of doing their job!

Posted by: OMMAG at July 7, 2008 6:57 PM

Job well done GWB! Now Canada's T.O. leftoids have plenty more carbon free power to keep the lights on and keyboards clacking away in support of Sharia for Ontario.

Maybe Cameco could spare some of Saddam's 'cake for the poor persecuted Mississauga Group of 17 who were only pretending to plan the beheading of our PM. I'd bet they'll put it to good use flavoring the water for a little good-natured belly laughing scare. All in good fun, eh, until someone loses their newborn to radiation sickness.

Posted by: Martin B. at July 7, 2008 7:10 PM

Penny:
You need to rent the DVD from the BBC called Hiroshima because it now used the Secret Documents that were sealed for over 60 years and reveal the Tojo directed a Coup to avoid a surrender , Tojo is on record stating that he had 5000 Kami-Kazi pilots ready to strike Allied Ships at Sea and he had 2 million soldiers along with 3 million citizens willing to do suicide-bombings against troops and tanks on the beaches .

The Pro-Shariah Law CAIR/CAIR-canada have now hijacked Pearl Harbour to portray Japan as the Victim of the big bad USA , but I not surprised that the Sheema Khan's in canada want to push her Whahhabi version of the Quran as they take sides with Tojo and Emperor Hirohito .
Japan also made it clear that any attack on Japan's mainland soil will trigger a mass slaughter to behead every POW by the Sword.
Muhammad beheaded 700 Jewish civilians once he tricked them into a bogus Peace-Agreement so they would feel safe and put down their weapons , and this is why canada ahs so many Anti-War/Anti-Military yahoos backed by the Elmasry's and Khan's of the world who want us to fall for the Taqqiyah ruse to disarm and embrance the peaceful islam from the "Little Mosque On The Prairie" TV show where all Christians are idiots and only the Muslims can enlighten the ignorant Aboriginals and White people .

Tojo would have killed 5 million Japanese citizens under the guise of the Shinto belief to be in paradise with God and all the Warrior Spirits that died since Japan's invasion and slaughter of the Chinese in September 1931.
It's no surprise that 70 years later in September 2001 we see the followers of Muhammad slaughter civilians for God just to be in paradise will al the Muslim Warriors since Circa 600 AD , but don't tell that to Barbara Hall or the AHRC because Islam=Peace and USA=Evil and Whites=Oppression in the new Ontario .

So even if Truman never dropped the bombs to end the slaughter by Japan just to appease the PeaceNiks , the NDP and CAIR's Islamists would still bash the USA and Bush because they didn't drop the bombs because the jews wanted a long war to make money and see the 5 million Japanese be killed off to help remove Shinto from the earth.
This is how the 9/11 truther's work to push their sick and twisted Theory that Chretien and Clinton conspired to murder civilains once Bush got in power so he would be blamed , after all.....if he is the bumbbling idiot that chokes on pretzels how could HE be the same Genius and masterMind that pulled-off 9/11 and has kept it a secret
except for a few Americans that have a special Computer to find the Truth on the Internet that none of us can find.


Posted by: Roger at July 7, 2008 7:10 PM

Just a little trip back in ....
TIME magazine .... where they smear Bush on this very matter .... nothing but BS all of it!

Posted by: OMMAG at July 7, 2008 7:10 PM

That's what happens when Joe Wilson tries to have his yellowcake and eat it too.

Posted by: Deadpan Dion at July 7, 2008 7:13 PM

Anybody go see Get Smart?

The yellowcake is in Moscow's KAOS headquarters ... underneath a bakery.

Posted by: set you free at July 7, 2008 7:34 PM

The only "weapons of mass panic" we have to worry about is the CBC,TorStar,lefties, Islamists, socialists, and of course our main concern, the HRC's. Why oh why can't we convince someone to send them all to Iran,Syria,Saudi,etc. to spread the good word against hatred of the murdering jihadis?? After all. Aren't they like our Natives? Just their poor,underpriveleged upbringing,at least to the leftards?

Posted by: Justthinkin at July 7, 2008 7:40 PM

Crap! Now Canada's hoarding fissile materials. No whining while we bomb Toronto.

Posted by: msr at July 7, 2008 7:42 PM

Yellowcake is hauled on our highways and rails every day. What's the media panic all about. Greenpeace is shocked, surprise. Do they think we in Sask send our uranium to Port Hope for refining and our end product to their markets without transportation. Now some comes in from overseas and it's going to cause some calamity. Attention, this is just a daily occurance rerouted. Go back to bed.

Posted by: Absinthe enhanced at July 7, 2008 7:44 PM

Has CBCpravda even done one positive story on Iraq?

Posted by: mark peters at July 7, 2008 8:09 PM

Roger - great post, thanks for filling in WWII history. 60 years have passed and as Orwell predicted all memory and relevant facts are being sucked away from WWII by the lefty academia and the lefty MSM.

George Bush and Truman are/were men of utmost integrity who understood that their decisions as war presidents would be controversial, but, had the guts to make them. King Leonidas of the Spartans not only had to take on the Persian invaders at Thermopylae to his fatal end, but, also the members of the Spartan city council that had cut deals with the Persians. As the global Muslim assault on us in the west continues we'll see who deserves history's credit for repelling it.

I have issues with Bush as inattentive to domestic issues, but, what person other than the most shallow moron can't get that 9/11 trumps that.

Posted by: penny at July 7, 2008 8:13 PM

read the 'the supergun'made by Canadain in year 2002 later candain invotor got assaniated

jimy carter said Isreal has more than 180 nucelear weapen bring up now in all midle east we only have one country with mass destructive weapn are Isreal nobody else

Sadam was trained by USA when he lost money and faced too many debt he start attack Kewit and fight back Isreal and Saudi he sadam originaly atak Iran because of recieving lotsof money to support him Sadam and Osama ben ladne both were friend of USA first then they start fight back togetehr

Posted by: new at July 7, 2008 8:46 PM

Yellowcake can be purchased by anyone who can afford $10.90/lb! Bush didn't save the world! What a load of nonsense!

http://www.slate.com/id/2085848/

Posted by: leftdog at July 7, 2008 8:48 PM

The point LD .. is that the whole business of whether or not Iraq was holding and or trying to purchase materials ... In contravention of international sanctions ..... was used as a club to beat the US Government AKA GW Bush about the head.
What he said was correct from the get go .... in spite of the howling of you ilk!


Go smoke another joint .....

Posted by: OMMAG at July 7, 2008 9:21 PM

There's a reason no reputable news organizations have offered up investigative analysis that this material constitutes evidence of a smoking gun.

Because, quite simply, it isn't. It's barely newsworthy other than the fact it was shrouded in secrecy.

Posted by: Raphael Alexander at July 7, 2008 9:27 PM
"[550 metric tonnes of yellowcake] not in the hands of terrorists"

No, but it's in a country where hurting someone's feelings will get you hauled before a "human rights" "commission." At least the HRCs don't have any uses for uranium. That we know of.

Posted by: Liz at July 7, 2008 10:17 PM

Is not New just the old Mos?

Posted by: Canuckguy at July 7, 2008 10:25 PM

the world is a better and safer place because of George W. Bush

I'm proud as hell to be a thirty percenter

and all of those suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome can piss off

God Bless America

Posted by: Brad at July 7, 2008 10:29 PM

The left will still claim Bush lied about Saddam's interest in acquiring the stuff in order to start a war, and that Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame are national heroes.

Not because they're liars, but because they're all stupid...

Posted by: Knight of Good Mr. Iron Man at July 7, 2008 10:49 PM

cal2: Im starting to think you are typing with your left arse cheek.
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That would explain a lot.

Posted by: Louise at July 7, 2008 10:54 PM

anyone know how much electricity 550 tonnes of this would produce?

Posted by: pete at July 7, 2008 11:18 PM

Leftpooch: "Yellowcake can be purchased by anyone who can afford $10.90/lb!"

Go buy some then, brainiac. Maybe you could use Paypal and have it FedEx'd to a water treatment plant near you. While you're at it, why not pick up some ammonia nitrate and fuel oil just to prove how stupid the authorities are.

My guess is if you seriously make the attempt, CSIS and the FBI will assist you in confirming the enlarged condition of your prostate.

Posted by: Martin B. at July 7, 2008 11:21 PM

We've got a new fake Arab on the site,someone ring the bell, that makes what? three now?

Posted by: bob at July 7, 2008 11:23 PM

Martin B. ... I bet the 'B' does not stand for 'Brains' -
http://www.slate.com/id/2085848/

Posted by: leftdog at July 7, 2008 11:29 PM

Fake Arab, why Israel not has used their atimoc bombes?

Posted by: set you free at July 7, 2008 11:30 PM

[quote]Crap! Now Canada's hoarding fissile materials. No whining while we bomb Toronto.[/quote]

This is not a good time for Canada... Last week I posted about a Canadian Government Hearing into the Cancellation of an "Oil Drum" reactor development project. THE URANINIUM USED WAS "INRICHED" Canada does not have that technology. Oil drum & suitcase size are troubling.

[quote]Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame are national heroes.[/quote]

Knight;
You did know that the CIA recruits Couples. Joe who?

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at July 7, 2008 11:39 PM

Yep, leftdog I'll just order up about 50kg of U235 or 12 kg of U238 on my VISA card from Cameco, and the authorities won't notice!!

Got my reactor processing unit parked in the back 40 for 550 metric tonnes of yellow cake.

But of course global security is meaningless whenever someone politically not aligned benefits.

And the 40 metric tonnes of ammonium nitrate on the Mastercard was for my wife's flowerboxes on the back deck.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht,Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at July 7, 2008 11:46 PM

[quote]Crap! Now Canada's hoarding fissile materials. No whining while we bomb Toronto.[/quote]

This is not a good time for Canada... Last week I posted about a Canadian Government Hearing into the Cancellation of an "Oil Drum" reactor development project. THE URANINIUM USED WAS "INRICHED" Canada does not have that technology. Oil drum & suitcase size are troubling.

[quote]Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame are national heroes.[/quote]

Knight;
You did know that the CIA recruits Couples. Joe who?

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at July 7, 2008 11:46 PM

Sad. sad. sad.

Come on guys - pull yourselves together.

You've really given new meaning to the phrase 'clutching at straws' today.

Posted by: rpall at July 7, 2008 11:52 PM

leftdog, You are incorrect. Yellowcake right now is selling for between $70 and $90 / lb. (check out any commodities site or the NYBOT). It peeked at $138/lb. last year (June) because of a flood at a Sask. mine.

Cameco probably paid Iraq over $70M for the 550 tons of yellowcake (and probably got a deal).

This price is going to increase again because of the nuclear reactor breakout happening in India and China. Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc., have also purchased several reactors from Areva (the monster French/Euro company) because oil is too precious for them to use domestically.

550 tons is not enough to support an entire nuclear energy industry for very long but it is enough to develop a bunch of weapons and we know that Cameco (the biggest uranium producer in the world) did not supply this to them.


Posted by: cconn at July 7, 2008 11:54 PM

550 tonnes of yellow cake. Assuming (BIG if)successful enrichment effort(isn't that what Iran is doing?), that would yield enough weapons-grade highly enriched uranium for about 60 critical mass (i.e. go boom) nukes. Like the one dropped on Hiroshima...

It puzzles me that sane people are not begging that Iran's enrichment facilities be obliterated.

Posted by: Tenebris at July 8, 2008 12:06 AM

Good Grief!
Harry Truman did what he had to do to shorten the war and save a million allied lives. Japan refused to surrender and they got it straight on.
Iran should take note. Syria and even Russia, that miscreant and errant entity behind a lot of the misery. They are all just waiting for Obami to get in the WH and it will be full piling on the West, especially the US.
Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame belong in jail along with Armitage and other treasonous toads. None of whom are worthy to lick Bushes Boots.
Meanwhile back at the asylum, Pelosi and Reid et al rail on nationalizing health care, like THAT mattered a whole hell of a lot when we ARE at War and now the Global Warming Jihadists want us to PAY for them to shove that down our throats.
So, if they can't get Iran to nuke us they will make us wish we were dead by stripping us of every damn advantage we ever had economically and laugh manically while the billions are skimmed off on their way to China by way of carbon credits a la Gore by the UN. Same scam, different setup. Instead of Oil for Food , now the West will get ripped and our economy stripped by Carbon Credits for Food.
You think we jest.... if the price of gas, home heating , natural gas, electricity and every damn thing we need to make our economy run keeps climbing and the politicans keep piling on the tax it will happen quicker than we can shake a cat. Dion , speaking in inanity after inanity thinks we are THAT stupid. Campbell KNOWS we are.
He thinks he has done somthing noble 'saving the planet' for his grandchildren. Pah and a pox on those kinds who think they know more than we do who pay them to do a job and then turn around and bite us in the ass!
Third Term Bush? We sure could do a whole lot worse. God bless the man.

Posted by: Snowbunnie at July 8, 2008 1:18 AM

I have never filled up at Petrocan, and neither could I vote anything but Conservative - but Harry S Truman was my favourite US president. He was an incredible, and fundamentally genuine human being. He despised "play actors" - fast forward to now - all politicians save Stephen Harper IMHO. For a great read - Plain Speaking - by Merle Miller - biography of Harry Truman.

Posted by: Erik Larsen at July 8, 2008 2:22 AM

"so as recent betwen Iran and USA saying Iran has nucler just for foound bully way to bohther Iran and relatiohship of Iran and Caanda get worste"

Well, considering that Iran is supplying weapons and munitions to the taliban, which are then used to kill Canadian soldiers, I would say that Canada and Iran's relationship is indeed "get worste".

IMO, we should be in a state of war with Iran. They are contributing to the death of Canadian soldiers. Period. End of story.

It is time to stop the flow of all people between Canada and Iran(how many taliban spies are in Canada on Iranian passports?).

It is time to end all trade with Iran(how many Canadians have died with money procured from Canadian consumers of Iranian oil?).

It is time to end the flow of money from Canada to Iran(CSIS has documented the flow of hundreds of millions coming from "Canadian Citizens").

VOTE REFORM !
GO ARMY!

Posted by: kingstonlad at July 8, 2008 6:03 AM

A good way to measure the decline of the Democratic Party in the US is to compare the career of Harry S. Truman and, say, Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi. JFK must be spinning in his grave.

Posted by: Mike Kelley at July 8, 2008 9:28 AM

Wow...this is amazing. Does this mean Canada now has nukes?

Ah no, it doesn't. This only means the Wingnuts don't know how to READ.

It's yellowcake, not a nuke. And its not even RECENT yellowcake. It's yellowcake from 1991.

Sheesh, you CONS like grasping at straws ro justify an unnecessary war, don't you?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-ap-70508-iraq-yellowcake-canada,0,7556532.story

There's the link to a story about it, but since CONS will just whine about it being the MSM and "left wing", I trust all of you will just ignore it. After all, truth is not something CONS can't recognise.

Posted by: Murray Rennie at July 8, 2008 9:30 AM

Murray:

You're right.

The yellowcake did not exist and Saddam had no nuclear ambitions.

I tend to believe a man named Mahdi Obeidi, who Saddam put in charge of Iraq's nuclear program.

He even wrote a book about it, which I've just dug out.

The Bomb In My Garden: The secrets of Saddam's nuclear mastermind.

FYI, Obeidi oversaw Iraq's centrefuge program and later became director-geneeral of Iraq's Ministry of Industry and Military Industrialization.

Obeidi voluntarily turned over the plans for the uranium-enriching centrifuge to the US dring the war (BTW, the war ended a long time ago).

A wise man once said: Peace is not the absence of war. Peace is the absence of threat.

Should you find the inclination and open-mindedness to read this informative book, you would be well-informed about the history which will eventually come out about this issue.

Posted by: set you free at July 8, 2008 12:12 PM

An interesting lot these leftards are. At the blink of an eye they join the dots:

Duck hunter to mass murderer

Mass murderer to nuclear enthusiast

Posted by: ural at July 8, 2008 12:14 PM

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Iraq/IraqAtoZ.html
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20080706_Iraq_s_nuclear__yellowcake__moved_to_Canada.html

The shill for McCain should give the full story.
I expect this fear mongering from the MSM.

Posted by: guess what at July 8, 2008 12:46 PM

Sigh...this is an open comment to those of us who belong to the right wing of political discourse who are posting on this forum:

Please extricate foot from mouth before commenting and do a little research about Iraq, it's nuclear weapons program, and what exactly yellow cake is.

We could ship this stuff to Afghanistan and let them have a ball trying to enrich it. Some people here are talking as if we're simply separating water from oil or something. Get it straight, enrichment requires enormous resources and technical resources beyond the scope of most nations of the world.

As to where the yellow cake came from? It's extremely well known that this is yellow cake that was bought in the 80's to fuel Iraq's nuclear program which was then being developed in France. Once Iraq began building in their own country with the help of the french, their enrichment processes failed, and Israel ended up bombing their plants into oblivion. Since then it's just been sitting around gather dust.

Not to get too off topic, but the whole entire idea that Iraq was buying yellowcake from Nigeria is completely debunked finally in the world at large. They had hundreds of tons lying around in the first place, so there goes another excuse for Bush's war. So please, don't make a fool of yourself by trying to claim that this is actual _justification_ for the war, when it is in fact completely the opposite.

Posted by: barjebus at July 8, 2008 3:25 PM

Wow. That any of you actually think GWB has done a good job show just how blisteringly stupid you are. I didn't think anybody could still be suckered by that bible salesman, but you rubes proved me wrong. Bravo.

Iraq is a mess. Anyone who denies this probably also believes that some god guy created the earth in six days, and that climate change is not happening. Concepts that are generally held in high regard in this musty corner of the internets.

A quick refresher... Bush's actions have resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis, the shattering of their shitty economy, a considerably lower standard of living, and has dangerously destabilized an already screwy region. Nice work there wonder nuts.

As for yellowcake... it is mostly harmless. Or rather, not much more harmful than lead paint. Meaning... you should want to stay away from this crap, but shouldn't worry about it's value as anything more than a slightly refined ore.

Can you dummies try not to panic for a change?

Posted by: John at July 8, 2008 4:33 PM

John,

I don't like Bush whatsoever, but I think that Iraq will eventually recover. Things are finally improving however slowly years and years after "mission accomplished". Who knows though, it still might all go to hell.

As to climate change, the world is warming very slowly, no one doubts that, but are we the direct cause of such warming?

Here's some quick info for you:

CO2 actually only accounts for like 6% of the GH effect (normalized) relative to other factors like water vapor and methane, and since we as humanity contribute like 3% of nature's natural emissions of CO2, we're only really talking about humanity adding 0.18% to the GH effect. And yet this is somehow the entire reason that our entire planet is supposed to suddenly turn into a desert?

Not only that, but studies have shown that bio density across the planet has double in growth in the last few years, that plant life is exploding in many regions of the world due to our ever richer CO2 atmosphere. Now, I agree we need to work towards leaving our atmosphere as it naturally is until we understand it better, which is why I support moderate CO2 reductions for the future. I think we should move to greener fuels like Nuclear power, or wind where it's applicable and proven. We shouldn't be rushing into green tech's like biofuel (hugest mistake ever).

Posted by: barjebus at July 8, 2008 4:45 PM

Oh, and I just wanted to note that I do not believe there was even the slightest justification for the invasion of Iraq, but the U.S. is there, so they'd better finish the job and do their best to set up a stable viable nation state.

Afghanistan on the other hand is a war I'm 100% in favor for so long as we continue to uphold our ethos of reconstruction and actually creating a better standard of living for Afghan's. If we lose that as a priority of the mission then I don't see the point of us being there.

Posted by: barjebus at July 8, 2008 4:48 PM

I took the undergraduate course and study in reserach for one year later i took antother course my gradate in during my master degree I have in totoal of two years research about Ontario Nuclear waste management, I can frankly say there is very risk and hazardous exit even during transportation, some student even if they got offer of lots of money not like to work in nuclear facility because it is so danger and risk involve
I think Canada need to get this transportation very seriously while I do not think they do only did job for favor follow order from USA , in result they need to hire people already work in Iraq, Iran or Germany in nuclear facility and /or hire graduate student from Egypt, England, USA, Iran and Iraq to either as student visa or work permit to work in research and work in nuclear facility the facility in Canada is very weak and not too up to date and student are not act so smart to this course or even they are not like to work in such a hazardous facility when they know all the fact since risk involve
If you transport the nuclear you need to transport expert with it in Canada to able to run or handle this very danger facility in any shape Canada plan to use Canadian act more dummy to this matter so far again not see it too seriously

If they do they can get advantage of use nuclear facility if not they may get disaster of not able to handle it properly

Just becarfull about this handling

Posted by: haye at July 8, 2008 5:53 PM

Yellowake is Uranium hexaflouride, the basic state that Uranium is moved about in. There is no point in posessing "Hex" unless one wants to develop Uranium "industries", such as bombs or power generation stations. The latter are undertaken publicly.

Posted by: RW at July 8, 2008 6:09 PM

haye

Given the total illiteracy of your statement, reposted below for your convenience, you obviously have no education whatsoever, except, possibly, from Ontario institutions.

I took the undergraduate course and study in reserach for one year later i took antother course my gradate in during my master degree I have in totoal of two years research about Ontario Nuclear waste management, I can frankly say there is very risk and hazardous exit even during transportation, some student even if they got offer of lots of money not like to work in nuclear facility because it is so danger and risk involve

You are a liar as to your identity. You are a plant, a fake, a spin-bubbler's gyro-top. You are BS.


Posted by: RW at July 8, 2008 6:13 PM

My grand mother's best advice is that the best answer to dummy nonMuslim people who always talk silly is basically to do not answer them at all,
as you noticed most muslim are not communicate with nonMuslim unless they have some good plan to do

I thought 'yuck' is better word in compare with BS or S use for people with thier remarks with high education am I right ? I should ask children of nonMuslim may tell the truth, because you can not expect nonMuslim adult hardly tell any truth in thier life and still belive Muslim are liar

Posted by: haye at July 8, 2008 6:41 PM

[quote]It puzzles me that sane people are not begging that Iran's enrichment facilities be obliterated.[/quote]

Tenebris,
Yes! it's amazing that so many educated pll would believe that the Percentage of Enrichment obtained is determined by a source pecking order. Like going to a store

We want Weapons grade = US enrichment Facility

We want reactor grade = Canadian enrichment Facility

We want dirty grade = Crazy Sadam or Iran

But that is a fairy tale... Most process's start by seeking to produce the highest order and Grade is determined by the % of yield obtained.

The US Facilities simply produce a greater % of Weapons grade.

Yellow Cake harmless.. my ass


Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at July 8, 2008 7:00 PM

barjebus: "We could ship this stuff to Afghanistan and let them have a ball trying to enrich it"

You mean like their Islamic neighbour to the east? 550 tons is enough to build at least 100 nuclear weapons...just getting that first one done is the trick. You think Father Khan did that first one alone?

http://www.gopachy.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=23783&page=1

Nutdog's assertion that buying physical yellowcake is as easy as picking up bags of topsoil at Rona is intriguing and I'd like to see him make the attempt. A substance that emits 300,000 times the radiation as natural soil couldn't possibly be a controlled substance, could it? If an energy industry logging company loses a tool off a truck containing a small amount of a radioactive isotope there's an immediate investigation and potentially huge costs to the company. Incidently, those isotope losses are causing some recent news too:

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/010442.php

Saddam already had 550 tons of yellowcake and certainly had access to the knowledge needed for that "first one". All he needed to resurrect his nuke program was for everyone to act like the EU and IAEA and go back to sleep or silently get out of the way. That almost happened except for some guy with a stubborn streak and a strong will to defend the American people.

Those that think there was no impending threat have eaten too much of their own 'cake.

Posted by: Martin B. at July 8, 2008 7:14 PM

Typical little asshat, that barjebus. The same little worms that didn't stop WWII ... no need to read the warning signs (only over a decade). Thanks to people like you millions died ... including asshats like you.

After all, Hitler was just a military machine hobbyist.

Posted by: ural at July 8, 2008 10:21 PM

"Saddam already had 550 tons of yellowcake and certainly had access to the knowledge needed for that "first one". All he needed to resurrect his nuke program was for everyone to act like the EU and IAEA and go back to sleep or silently get out of the way."

Wow, it appears that could has somehow mutated itself into the word "inevitably". American's have Nuclear weapons. They COULD launch them. Omg let's stop America? Obviously it's not that simple with regards to the middle east, but you and Ural are willfully ignoring objective facts:

-Iraq was having difficulty even enriching with the help of the French, a people who currently derive 75% of their power from Nuclear Reactors.
-Iraq had this yellowcake sitting around for two decades. He did not sell it. And wtf is "all he needed to do was ressurect his nuclear program" supposed to mean?? Are you out of your mind? Enrichment isn't doing titration in a high school chemistry lab you tool, it requires experienced people, hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars of equipment, and then fairly large quantities of time to actually gather enough weapons grade material from the reactor. THEN you'd have to build the bomb, which although it's easier, it's still pretty hit or miss for a country like Iraq, who lacks the experience and people for such an enterprise.

Obviously it's great that the yellowcake is out of that country, but claiming that Saddam was as large a danger to the world as Hitler is not only stupid, it's laughable.

My final point is this. When Saddam was originally pursuing nuclear power, or a nuclear weapons, they waited a great deal of time to let Iraq spend tons of money on the facility, and then promptly blew it up in an air strike. It was cleverly done with no life lost, but it essentially ended Saddam's nuclear ambitions.

Now, please, go ahead, convince me why a complete invasion was necessary? Oh riiight, there were...what, chemical weapons or something? Or was it because an Iraqi official met with an Al-Qaeda official somewhere in Europe, but we're not sure why? Maybe we should invade Saudi Arabia too then, since enormous numbers of Jihadist's and Al-Qaeda members hail from that nation and receive a great deal of funding from various oil rich families there. How about you drop the hypocrisy and get a grip on reality hmm?

Posted by: barjebus at July 9, 2008 12:20 PM
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