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July 1, 2008

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Good evening ladies and gentlemen, welcome to SDA Late Nite Radio. Tonight, in honour of Canada Day, and for those of us who celebrate it, Dominion Day, 2008, and for your delectation, here is the 1979 version of the National Film Board's production of Wade Hemsworth's classic: The Log Driver's Waltz (3:04, lyrics, hat tip to Gunney99).

Also, the 2008 Q2 Top 100 SDA Commenters statistics are now available.

Your Reader Tips are, as always, welcome in the comments.


(I would like to invite you to read my paragraphs above and below in the style of Charlie Callas parodying George Jessel as the Tostmaster General in this sketch from the Dean Martin Roast of Don Rickles, but you don't have to.)

I have included the current Canadian flag in this entry because, whether I like it or not, it is the flag our Canadian Forces fight under and salute, and I have to respect that. I have included the historic Canadian Red Ensign (pick the image) because, vexillogically, I like it and I fly it, and because I do think it is important to reflect on our history, as well as our future, on this day.

Yet it remains the case, and I have argued this here 12 and 24 months ago, that I don't think this day is appropriate for the sort of normative kvetching about Canada that characterizes Canadian blog comments. There are plenty of days in the year for that; so like I think that Christmas is a day for celebrating peace on earth and goodwill toward man, I think that today is a day for celebrating peace and goodwill toward Canada.

It's all well and good to argue, campaign, and in self defense even fight for what one wants that one does not have, and I think that's morally acceptable as long as one doesn't cross the line from selfishness to greed, yet I remain convinced that it is a spiritual error to not take cognizance of what good one does have. Canada, pace the arguments and campaigns to come, is, by any classic standard, a danm fine place.

Because, remember, after all is said and done: A log driver's waltz pleases girls completely. No, I'm not being facetious, I'm being metaphorical. Not that I actually expect anyone to change their behaviour, this is, after all, just my comment, which like almost all comments, doesn't actually matter that much, really.

Posted by Vitruvius at July 1, 2008 12:01 AM

Comments

I just read where Sir Paul McCartney is going to be entertaining the masses on the Plains of Abraham. That should be interesting .......... another Brit taking over as #1 on the Plains Of Abraham. I'll bet Montcalm is pissed off.

Posted by: BCer at June 30, 2008 10:45 PM

Remember, the beautiful maple leaf flag was pushed on us by a liberal prime minister and one of UN’s glorious and illustrious founders, Pearson, with the comment, it won't have any blue in it, those are Tory colours.

Posted by: Western Canadian at June 30, 2008 11:13 PM

Hehe,damn brits...Anyways,I am # 45 on the list,45 with a bullet,with a bullet.Great googly moogly.I can only imagine the lofty heights I could reach if I did that double post thing.

Posted by: wallyj at June 30, 2008 11:14 PM

Hehe,damn brits...Anyways,I am # 45 on the list,45 with a bullet,with a bullet.Great googly moogly.I can only imagine the lofty heights I could reach if I did that double post thing.

Posted by: wallyj at June 30, 2008 11:14 PM

Thank you for posting our traditional and organic flag and not just the Liberal revised Canada version.

Posted by: Alain at June 30, 2008 11:24 PM

Who’s da man wit da car- bon tax con?


Ukulele Orchestra of GB - Shaft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfK-UzQ48JE&feature=related

Posted by: Bernie at June 30, 2008 11:25 PM

Ahmadinejad's wife is hot (understandably in her burka) and an outstanding symbol of the Multiculturalism toward which Canadians of all genders and faiths should strive.

Heh.

Posted by: Drained Brain at June 30, 2008 11:33 PM

Happy Dominion Day!
From the land of Premier Carbon Campbell.

Posted by: Cal at June 30, 2008 11:52 PM

Ahmadinejad's wife is hot, as you'd expect under that burka, but what a picture of Canada's Multicultural future for Canada Day!

Posted by: Drained Brain at June 30, 2008 11:58 PM

This just may be over the top. It is so ridicules, it seems somebody just made it up.

Swedish school cites discrimination in seizing birthday party invitations.

http://www.pentictonherald.ca/oddities.php

Posted by: Lev at July 1, 2008 12:13 AM

Tabarnaque!! Dat looks like a dangerous way of earning a living!! Happy Canada day to all!! And by the way, the Maple Leaf (Acer Sacharum) does not grow west of Ontario. What we westerners call a Manitoba Maple is indeed a Box Elder.
I was in school when the Maple leaf was raised. (1965) A lot of us wanted blue bars to acknowledge the Pacific and the Atlantic. But the Pearson Liberals chose what was really the logo of the Liberal Party of Canada.
The feds put out a token contest for students across Canada. In the end, MPs from Quebec and Ontario chose the flag.
Pearson got what he wanted. He got rid of Diefenbaker, the only Sask. MP to get elected to the PMO, and the Union Jack. In return, the west got Pearson, Trudeau, (including Margaret,) the Constitution, the Metric System, same sex marriage, Ralph Goodale and Jean Chretien.
What would be appropriate on a western Canadian flag?? A jar of vaseline comes to mind!!

Posted by: Lone Ranger at July 1, 2008 12:35 AM

You have a problem with the metric system?

Posted by: Vitruvius at July 1, 2008 12:39 AM

In honour of Dominion Day, please help this poll "go horribly right".

Posted by: Gen. Lee Wright at July 1, 2008 12:39 AM

"I just read where Sir Paul McCartney is going to be entertaining the masses on the Plains of Abraham. That should be interesting .......... another Brit taking over as #1 on the Plains Of Abraham. I'll bet Montcalm is pissed off."

Then again, look what happened to General Wolfe at the Plains of Abraham...

Posted by: JJM at July 1, 2008 12:40 AM

Short notice, but anyone in Saskatoon and between S'toon and Vanscoy, prepare for a particularly nasty storm. Winds over 100 km/h likely, and maybe even some hail.

Posted by: Johann at July 1, 2008 12:42 AM

On the eve of Canada Day - the ON Human Rights people have come out with their modification of the way they do human rights.

What exactly is there to be proud about in all of this? Political Correctness has been increased in intensity, libel chill has moved to libel freeze, enforcement is about to be what - tripled, and the minority rule of Canada is going to be entrenched in perpetuity.

Most galling in all of this, is that it will be done "legally".

It is now rather evident why the feds have been keeping their head in the sand on the HRC issue. They had to have been aware of what was about to come out and no doubt have given their blessing (and probably a whole lot of dollars).

The changes made had to have been in the making for some time and while the huge majority of Ontarians were not even aware of the issue(s) - thanks to under-reporting in the media.

In fact, the feds are probably going to come out with something of their own and it would not surprise if it is on the same model. BC has already gone this route, and the AB gov't, like sheep, are bound to follow.

Can you imagine what consternation there would have been at high levels if Macleans had been found "guilty" in a hearing and launched a formal appeal all the way up to the SCC. The ON HRC lucked out by simply declaring no hearing, leaving them free to pursue the course we are now seeing.

BC HRT is in an interesting position - they chose to hear the case and now must make a finding one way of the other. We can only hope that it will be in favor of the complainant and Macleans appeals all the way to the SCC.

Posted by: Calgary Clippper at July 1, 2008 1:15 AM

Canadian and American history poll @ G&M

http://tinyurl.com/63tb74

18/20 Sorry ladies, got the women's sufferage questions backwards.

I feel shame.

Posted by: Glenn at July 1, 2008 1:38 AM

Sorry, should be quiz not poll.

Posted by: Glenn at July 1, 2008 1:40 AM

Vit

Good stuff on the log drivers song. Truth be told that song and cheesy NFB vignette inspired a sense of connection in me with the rest of the country because it implied a respect for the grace of the working men who built this country.

That respect and grace are now in disrepute and scorned. We peons are the diggers of coal and the burners of carbon. A class of people apparently so dense that we require intervention at every turn.

IMO this country is a mere shadow of what those hard men meant.

Syncro

Posted by: Syncrodox at July 1, 2008 2:21 AM

http://tinyurl.com/44m5eb from the (shock and awe)BBC

Why, even property prices in Baghdad are rising. According to one estate agent we spoke to, they have doubled in the past four months.

Yes, things are better in Baghdad.

Much of the credit for the improvements is undoubtedly due to the increase in US forces which began in the early months of 2007.

American troops came onto the streets in greater numbers and confronted the insurgents and militia groups.

....But it was not simply American force of arms which made the difference.

The US commander in Iraq, Gen David Petraeus, adopted a new approach.

Posted by: Glenn at July 1, 2008 2:26 AM

tinyurl.com/44m5eb


Why, even property prices in Baghdad are rising. According to one estate agent we spoke to, they have doubled in the past four months.

Yes, things are better in Baghdad.

Much of the credit for the improvements is undoubtedly due to the increase in US forces which began in the early months of 2007.

American troops came onto the streets in greater numbers and confronted the insurgents and militia groups.

....But it was not simply American force of arms which made the difference.

The US commander in Iraq, Gen David Petraeus, adopted a new approach.

Posted by: Glenn at July 1, 2008 2:43 AM


"Philemon Wright (September 3, 1760 – June 3, 1839) was a farmer and entrepreneur who founded Wrightville, the first settlement in the National Capital Region of Canada. Wrightville later became Hull, Quebec.

Wright used his natural leadership abilities to convince a group of Massachusetts settlers to come north with him. The first community of a few dozen settled on the north side of the Ottawa River in 1800, on the site of what would become the city of Gatineau (Hull), Quebec. The group began to clear land, but the process was long and difficult and by 1806 they had nearly exhausted their capital. In an effort to earn money, Wright attempted what was then thought impossible, to build a raft of timber and float it to Quebec City to be sold for export to Britain. Despite taking two months and encountering many hurdles he reached Quebec and sold his 700 logs and 6000 barrel staves."

And an industry was born. The second last timber crib went down the Ottawa River a hundred years ago. The last one arrived in Ottawa this week, pictures here:

www.ottawasun.com/PhotoGalleries/Timber/2008/06/24/5969866.html

Posted by: Ott at July 1, 2008 4:15 AM

WHY would any Canadian vote in a pole for Obama over their own leaders? It's brainless. What does anyone really know about Obama's abilities as a leader when hasn't been a leader? Further he will never be our Leader and may never be US President.

It's quite apparent there are many people who vote for what meets their eyes and latch onto the bandwagon led by MSM twits.

HAPPY DOMINION DAY, from sea to shining sea.

Posted by: Liz J at July 1, 2008 7:13 AM

I think the poll Gen. Lee Wright means is about six items down in the middle of the Sympatico page, "Question of the Day" about which politician Canadians most admire.

Obama: 38%; Stephen Harper: 33%.

Stephane Dion, at 7%, is one less than John McCain (8%).

And I thought we were supposed to anti-American! Though if pro-American means a vote for Obamarama, as someone calls him, count me out.

Posted by: lookout at July 1, 2008 8:18 AM

It's hard to say what is likely to be more disappointing to many Obama supporters: his defeat or his victory.

Posted by: JJM at July 1, 2008 9:29 AM

The real story of the red maple leaf flag for Dominion Day.

Some time, long ago, in 1963, Lester was racing down the hall at 24 Sussex as his supper was somewhat under cooked.

Due to his haste he hadn't seen the wastebasket sitting in the middle of the doorway of the bathroom.

Tripping over it, he spilled all of its contents.

Luckily, Lester didn't have any more accidents and was able to get settled on the throne.

As he was finshing up the job and getting ready to clean up the mess he made of the wastebasket, Lester spotted a white rectangular cottony looking object with a large red stain in the middle.

Staring at it he thought, "some red on the ends would be something."

And, thus, in 1964 we began flying "used feminine protection" as our national symbol from sea to sea ("a Mari usque ad Mare") and everywhere else in the former Dominion.

Now it is time we again stand up and insist that the Canadian Red Ensign be adopted as the official flag, as we should have done back in 1963.

Posted by: Mike T at July 1, 2008 9:32 AM

Isn't it ironic how the Media in this country is so bloody excited about US politics, in a positive way of course, since it's all about the Democrats choosing a leader and they're pinning their hopes on Obama.
It will be interesting what the Liberal Left will do for pass time if Obama eventually becomes president. They'll have to change their rant against the Conservatives here from too friendly/cozy to 'not friendly enough' with the US administration.

Posted by: Liz J at July 1, 2008 9:38 AM

When you think about it, it is the anti-Americans, socialist and some other assorted 'ists that would vote for the man that could do no wrong.
Those you might call conservatives would of course vote for a Canadian.

Posted by: Lev at July 1, 2008 9:39 AM

Avid green shift proponent Cherniak finds out that cycling in to the wind is more difficult, and finds it surprising.

http://jasoncherniak.blogspot.com/2008/06/unbelievable.html

These are the guys who don't want you to use carbon. I wonder how much harder it is to pull a horse trailer? And, wait until he finds out about this white 'snow' stuff that has a tendency to fall in the winter months. It really makes biking difficult.

Posted by: Steve at July 1, 2008 9:43 AM

Hats off to the UK surveillance cameras -- by order.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2085192/Hats-banned-from-Yorkshire-pubs-over-CCTV-fears.html

Posted by: John L at July 1, 2008 9:46 AM

Sheesh Mike T, of all days to choose to post something so idiotic.

Posted by: Mississauga Matt at July 1, 2008 9:49 AM

People seem to forget the bitter resentment over the maple leaf in the West at the time, it was seen as an eastern flag in liberal colours and to this day I hate the sight of the thing. When I go out in my boat today I will be flying the navies white ensign.

Posted by: Western Canadian at July 1, 2008 10:09 AM

Check out Battle for Britain....

Posted by: cosmos at July 1, 2008 10:12 AM

As an ex-Quebois, blue is also the colour of the fleur de lys of Quebec and the PQists.

I will therefore agree with you that the flag is all about the Liberals.

Hey, maybe, just maybe, Lester didn't like the Toronto Maple leafs!

Posted by: Earl the Pearl at July 1, 2008 10:29 AM

As a western Canadian, let me wish all a less-than-enthusiastic Happy Canada Day. Sadly, I was once a very proud citizen who always displayed my big flag every 1 July. I served my country in uniform for almost 30 years and, despite the disdain we experienced from the Canadian public, we did our duty proudly.

Canada has changed dramatically and quickly and, certainly, not for the good. Our country and government is broken and I must wonder if it can be repaired. Unfortunately, I have my doubts.

Let me give an example of what has brought on my dismay. We are capable of doing great things and there are people in our society who have the talent to effectively lead us in these great endeavours but there are also many cynical and warped individuals who seem to want to do little but criticize and whine whenever a leader emerges. Today we are losing what many believe to be one of the greatest generals our country has produced. General Hillier took a dispirited and decimated military and in three short years he transformed it into a vibrant and effective organization which is a great pride to almost all Canadians. The military has shucked the poorly led, less-than-effective UN peacekeeping nonsense to recapture the pride and wonderful history won by previous Canadian armies.

Yesterday I listened to a talk show with Norman Spector as a "guest pundit". At one time I was an ardent admirer of Mr. Spector and my day wasn't properly started without first reading his blog of news items. Something has happened to Mr. Spector that I think is infecting many Canadians. Cynicism and negativism dominates almost all that he writes and says. Yesterday he took the opportunity to slam and disparage General Hillier one last time before his retirement. I have no idea as to why Mr Spector has developed his often-expressed hatred of the general but I can assure him that it serves him very poorly.

This article in today's Ottawa Citizen properly reflects the attitude of Canadians toward General Hillier and expresses the international respect with which he is held. More than anything negative Mr Spector can write or say, the article reflects the true picture of what we think of our departing CDS. Mr Spector should be ashamed.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=88c206c6-da65-4162-8758-6d30146dcfb3

Despite my own somewhat negative view of what is happening to my country, I can only hope some event or dramatic mechanism can turn things around and allow us to pursue freedom, life and liberty.

Posted by: BCer at July 1, 2008 10:57 AM

Syncrodox @ 2:21am - EXACTLY !!

I also remember watching those clips of Les Quebecois risking their lives so others could have a roof over their heads. The music and words were delightful and catchy.

But now, useless academics like Dion are trying to dupe us into throwing it all away. Why ? Because they can't compete in the real world ?

Posted by: ron in kelowna at July 1, 2008 10:57 AM

Isn't it ironic how the Media in this country is so bloody excited about US politics, in a positive way of course, since it's all about the [quote]Democrats choosing a leader and they're pinning their hopes on Obama.
It will be interesting what the Liberal Left will do for pass time if Obama eventually becomes president. They'll have to change their rant against the Conservatives here from too friendly/cozy to 'not friendly enough' with the US administration.[/quote]

Liz J,
We do have a case study...GOV Davis bet the State on GORE in 2000.. although his problems with ENron began with Clinton/Gore they put him off with wait.. wait.. don't make waves. He trusted the Machine and was flat-lined when Bush Won & wouldn't help... (some believe it was the Dem's Machine that actually got ENRon). I don't suggest that Enron was/is the only problem in the State.. only that it was the political issue of the day.

Canada's Socialists seem willing to bet the Country to that same Machine that RUNS (more everyday) Obama.

What is that Machine? ...

BTW: Why would Canada Spend 200M (R&D) on a Nuclear Reactor (Oil Drum Size) and then write it off...Without a FULL & Complete INDEPENDANT evaluation (true scientists are easy to fool) "WAKE THE F*** UP" Canada

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at July 1, 2008 11:05 AM

'Haven't seen this clip in a long time. The Log Driver's Waltz is sung by the inimitable McGarrigle Sisters, Kate and Anna.

They're still around, doing the smaller venue circuit, like Hugh's Room in Toronto. What talent! What whimsy! The McGarrigles are Canadian treasures.

Let's see. Who else?

Ted Byfield
Gwen Landolt
Leonard Cohen
Mark Steyn

I can't think of any other Canadian treasures but know there must be more--but definitely NOT of the official Canadian treasure/Order of Canada variety...

Who else is there?

Posted by: batb at July 1, 2008 11:24 AM

Poll at Yahoo Finance

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/

Do you agree with the Liberal proposal for a carbon tax?

Yes - So long as it's revenue neutral
No - It's just a massive tax grab

Posted by: ward at July 1, 2008 11:39 AM

[quote]We are capable of doing great things and there are people in our society who have the talent to effectively lead us in these great endeavours but there are also many cynical and warped individuals who seem to want to do little but criticize and whine whenever a leader emerges
[/quote]

BC'r
I agree. Its not enough to kinda know your talents.. You MUST have confidence in that Talent (heart of hearts) Canada is far "better" than you/they think! Just need a kick in the butt!

Without Confidence.. You have no talent!

Drink lots of Blue!... Tomorrow is a new Day

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at July 1, 2008 11:46 AM

July 1st will be known as ALSASK day in the not too distant future if the boneheads in the east elect Dion.

Happy Dominion Day all.

Posted by: Bart at July 1, 2008 11:51 AM

As Mark Styen said
' future is in hand of Muslim'
while i said less comments but so many value for candain directed to understand value of Muslim and respect Candian Muslim

Since my arrival in SDA I change you a bit i change the world of Islam more and I change view of politic turn around and view Muslim differnet by fact not only fale media

i said less comment but I said too much but still lots more to say i am not profeesonal speak person too Muslim are there
but you can not talk to them sicne you are not readcy how to talk to Muslim
they scare to communite with nonMuslim

this is only project for me to knwo you and let you know Muslim a bit in good shape
take care every body
happy Canada day
future is in hand of Islam
because Islam is the best or Muslim Canadian are better than best.
Do not drink alcohol or beer please.
you can be call yourslef Canadian without drinking Blue trust me for that.
thank you kate and good luck with your blog

Posted by: haye at July 1, 2008 11:51 AM

yahoo poll

Yes - So long as it's revenue neutral 23%
No - It's just a massive tax grab 77%
5799 Votes to date

23% are already sucked in. Be afraid, be very afraid!

Posted by: Bart at July 1, 2008 11:53 AM

You have a problem with the metric system?

Vit - the metric system was just another part of Trudoh! eliminating all english influence in Canada. It didn't make sense then, and still doesn't since 80% of our trade is with the US.

Technically, particularly for temperature, it's less accurate, for example: Celcius: Freeze-Boil 100 degrees
Farenheit: Freeze-Boil 180 degrees
Smaller graduations, greater accuracy.

Our speed in MPH relates to the clock. Metric speeds won't have any real meaning(other than a conversion from MPH) until we move to the Metric 100 Centiminute clock.

Posted by: Bart at July 1, 2008 12:09 PM

I must say that I agree with mister broken english for once. Forget the blue, let's pound back a few bottles of Canadian!

And don't forget the slab of back bacon on the burger.

And finally, watching all of the sexy ladies in their bikini's......man, it sure is good to be Canadian!

HAPPY CANADA DAY!

Posted by: kingstonlad at July 1, 2008 12:12 PM

BCer - thanks for your very astute comments.

What has and is happening in Canada is a devolution of power from all of Canada to a small isolate 'set' in the Ottawa-Montreal corridor. That began with Trudeau's Charter and is firmly in place now. Harper is trying to return power to Canadians. The Liberals are rejecting this; they want that oligarchic elitist power in their centralist hands.

Norman Spector, by the way, belongs in that same mindset; he sees himself as a superior WiseMan and is quite angry to be, now, isolated and ignored.

As for the Canadian flag, I'm one who also dislikes the sight of the thing. Not only because it was foisted on us without our agreement; not only because it doesn't represent our real environment or our history. But because its design is so childish; something a grade schooler would come up with.

Flags are symbols. In this case, of nations. That means that their design must be symbolic. Compare the 'stars and stripes' where those stars,stripes are symbols of historical entities. Same with the Union Jack with its crosses. etc etc.

But Canada's flag shows, not a 'symbol' but what's called an 'iconic image'; a picture of a real object, a leaf. Is the leaf a symbol of Canada? No, for it's not universal to the environment. It's only found in that 'centralist domain'. Is it a symbol of our history? No. Unless you want to show that Canada has been ruled by that centralist Ottawa-Montreal oligarchy for centuries.

Are the colours a symbol of our history? No. White and red have, to my knowledge, no historical significance in the land. So?

I'm rejecting it on its design as a symbol of both an environmental reality and an historical reality. Our flag symbolizes neither. That's why I think it's one of the ugliest flags in the world. Because it doesn't fulfil its role as a symbol.

Posted by: ET at July 1, 2008 12:16 PM

Notice that last sentence by our resident fraud, haye, who is a fake Muslim and a fake English illiterate - heh, that last sentence is perfect English.

Admittedly, I don't read his blather, which lacks any grammatical structure. His error in trying to present himself to us as a non-speaker of English is to reject any grammatical structure at all.

But all languages are based in grammatical structure. If you want to pretend that you don't speak English, you don't just post random, non-grammatical sentences, dripping in unrelated words. You use the grammatical structure of your original language!

Our pet haye doesn't do this. That's one way he shows himself as a fake. Other ways, of course, are his correct spelling of difficult words. And his ignorance of Islam; he has just a superifical 'pop culture' idea of it. Ah well, it takes all types, including the juveniles pretending to be what they aren't.

Posted by: ET at July 1, 2008 12:27 PM

Speaking of beer and symbols: The Canadian flag reminds me of a beer label. I've never liked it, still don't, and never will. It has LIBRANO$' CANADA written all over it. (Except for the fact that our Canadian troops fight under this flag, I have no use for it...)

Happy Dominion Day, everyone!...from Canada's motto, "May He [that would be the God of 'God keep our land glorious and free'] have dominion from sea to sea"... Now, that's historical.

Posted by: batb at July 1, 2008 12:29 PM

...I can only hope some event or dramatic mechanism can turn things around and allow us to pursue freedom, life and liberty. Posted by: BCer at July 1, 2008 10:57 AM

That would be Alberta, Saskatchewan, and British Columbia joining together and declaring a Republic.

Nothing that is within this federation is for or by Westerners. Not the Human Rights machines. Not the gun registry. Not the Wheat Board. Not differential tariffs of rail shipping. Not the NEP, nor NEP II - the Green Shaft. Not the $20 billion per year in corporate welfare handouts - disproportionately skewed to central Canadia and Kay-beck. Not the deeply politicized RCMP. Not Adscam. Not equilization. Not a 300,000 person bureaucracy. Not a 5,000 page Income Tax Act. Not bicycle helmet laws. Not statist deference to politicians. Not political parties attached by law, suckling from the treasury.

As to those looking to the old ensign, might I suggest if you so deeply enjoy bending your knee to a foreign monarch, maybe slavery is a good career option for you. You can bow before your betters constantly then...and beg forgiveness as much as you like. And suckle from the teat of their kindness.

Posted by: hardboiled at July 1, 2008 12:31 PM

good idea ET
we even can add
'Allah Akbar' in flag of Canada

it means 'allah is the greatest' by Quran word add , allah means god and Akbar is greatest or biggest
because majority of people are belive god

ohhh....I forgot ET not belive god at at all, forget him then he is what? some name means not belive god he said before in his comment
since in Canada constituaiton Candian belive god
and god is means Allah
one think can made us united and send
all people not bleive god to live with some first nation who are not blieve god too
in North pole

I like idea to change flag

maple because Canada has too many maple trees

red and white is symbol of RCMP colur dress

I met one RCMP woman and man in middle east and they were burning in hot weather I told them why you wear big boot here tehy told taht is our dress I told them yes if you are in Canada in middle east you need lighter dress it was so joke

put
'ALLah Akbar'
add in falg of Canada I must wite to member of parlement may agree with me
before people need to work let people first really understand meaning of god and belive god before we do or vote for majority or relgion are belive god means allah to get united in one thing

Posted by: haye at July 1, 2008 12:32 PM

Another Canadian treasure:

Don Cherry

Posted by: batb at July 1, 2008 12:35 PM

Right,the frag, (flag), symbolizes the Liberal Party in color and geographical representation. Some designs were presented with the red, white and blue colours but they were turned down. LIBERALS RULED.

Posted by: Liz J at July 1, 2008 12:37 PM

Haye...just shut up will you,you complete fraud.How long have you been coming to sda and still have not been able to deliver racist activities to your hrc bosses,careful moron,you can be replaced.

Posted by: h.ryan. at July 1, 2008 1:11 PM

mos, moss, haye: Yeah, ET, I came to the same conclusion. A fake and incompetent attempt to fun with the "rednecks" -- that's his schtick. His fake illiteracy is not unlike an actor playing a bad drunk by over-the-topping it. Now, compare this to Helen Mirren's superb drunk at the end of Prime Suspect. To be a good drunk act, you gotta look like you're trying to hide your inebriation.

The flag: Simple, childish, etc. True. But this is not necessarily bad for a ... LOGO ... which is what it is. I grew up in the Maritimes and moved to BC in 69, returned, and went back in 79. I must say, I never understood the great flag controversy, but now I do. Liberal colours. No blue. All Logos will have emotional impact after long use, but it's a poor flag which tells no real story.

Patriotism: Just back from a visit to Ireland where my daughter lives (Dublin). IN recent years she's been pining a bit for the old (new?) sod. After going to a Neil Young concert in Howth (north of Dublin) she referred to the "great country" of Canada. I disagree. I think it's a great land peopled by many great people. But not a great country.

She also saw Leonard Cohen in Dublin recently.

But,

Leonard left, never returned.
Neil left, never returned.
Joni left, never returned.
Dan Akkroyd left, never returned.
Robbie Robertson left, never returned.

... even after making it big. Hmm. Doesn't exactly say "great country".

Bruce (anti-yank hippie) Coburn stayed.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at July 1, 2008 1:34 PM

who else would have Bruce?

Posted by: marc in calgary at July 1, 2008 2:08 PM

"After tallying the results, Trudeau was revealed as the person who most defines Canada..."

...as was David Suzuki - 6, Lester Pearson - 9, and Tommy Douglas - 7...

http://tinyurl.com/6kqsoq

Posted by: hardboiled at July 1, 2008 2:19 PM

Me No Dhimmi: Actually, Leonard Cohen has returned, broke, battered, and Buddhist, but beholden to no one.

And, can the guy ever...write poetry... 'Doesn't sing too well, but what a stage presence. When you write like he does, and wear a fedora like he does, well, who cares if he doesn't have a voice like ol' Blue Eyes?

I'd like others to suggest Canadian treasures, though, as you point out, MND, many of ours have gone South where talent, boldness, innovation, confidence in oneself, and self-reliance are rewarded not ridiculed, marginalized, and stamped out.

Quel pays, le Canada. It wasn't always like this...

Posted by: batb at July 1, 2008 3:03 PM


tell government bodies or whoever
ask artist good one in Canada who can draw nice logo and picutures

with deadline to add some more
inside flag of Canada to be write to show
culture or mutliculrism or etc..

or we can choose first big group of artist and ask them to put under certain issue their best draw represnet few things

No Nazi logo please

I would said put arabic
allah Akbar for Muslim and some more things
and after deadline

we can find the best artist able to give the best symbol change inside flag

in main we keep the flag with red maple
but in additin we can add few blue colour written

this word can not be too many or can be abrevation of some mix culture
then register canada flag in I do not know
international committee

but if you change all flag is look funny to chnage flag to complet new one but small is okay to every one

but we need artist who able to draw or have political mind and mix culure

or even we can put at least
few race: balck indianyellow, dark white
background

with differnet relgion backgroun : msulim, christian and Jewish and etc

and put some historical Cnada history teacher in university

then as team they can work togetehr to creat some thing new

but how to find that team we can find who can draw and choose the best mix politician relgion or get some diea first

then we choose the team put in one location and ask them within a month creat new flag change
that we can add few inside maple leaf

I think that would be great idea

I am Muslim live here long long time agoo
English is my second language
I was contact with more English Canadain origina than my own people for half I live here when Muslim increase more in Canda now my most freind are Muslim

I worked alot in Canada but I never knew what made Candaian sudden hate to Muslim and I know notice media and recent war in Canada change their idea about Islam

but who care about you we are not hear to say who we are we are hear to say some opinion

I do not come here to find freind I have lots of freind I came to knwo what you think when nobody see you about Muslim becaue in blogs you can say your feeling and what made you angry about us and what made you ok or what make you happy

I sometimes shocked of what I am hearing about you about Muslim

peoel who gossip Muslim are people barly in their life seat with good Muslim practiced

or they live in small town or small suborb

I know my english is not good again i do not care to care about English why should I? you like English I use it because I have to not because I like too!!!!!!!
you may some times stranger to me and now you used to stranger Muslim good experince for you too

I barly in past talk with English people outside of job anything
this blog get me attention since this is more political blog than other blogs and put attention to Canda today issue right or wrong and I am interested about politic recently while I was away from it becuase of work so much in past again I do not care about you
and I do not know why you care about me
just ignore me if you do not lik me ? would you ?I am happy nobody answer me . I am not coming here for your anwer at all I say some issue that may new to you or not by like but I am saying to you aware of what Muslim think and you can say any bad wording but I say as best I can some truth about Muslim that can help you how to communicte with them and only smart people may get it, if they read this blogs that is all. I am not responding to this any more as ET know I barly answer his nonsense I told him do not talk to me before. I do not like people who deny god period and prefer stay away form them. I told him that I have nothing to talk to some of you but Isalm is not what you may like too but has their own border and laws

think aobut put some meaning to Canadian flag

polictican loose credit in world include Canada
I think from polticial view Canda still nto communict with peopel that they should
govermetn can evey day do the best job if public participate with them
i hate join any political group in canada I do nto bleive any of htem no credit for them I think

as you may not l ike Islam to limit you all political NDP liberal and consvertive can block you to some line I think canada need the new political party group who do not follow old political parties and came from new generation of Canada who are smart

old polticail party only good for Englsih not use for nonEnglsih ideology and culture background. we need to have muslim political party Islam is not seperated from politic.

Posted by: haye at July 1, 2008 3:15 PM

LOL

Posted by: hardboiled at July 1, 2008 3:16 PM

Canadian treasures who worked abroad,
succeeded, returned, and still succeed? Me.

Posted by: Vitruvius at July 1, 2008 3:36 PM

Hey, Vitruvius: Well done!! Well done!! Bravo!

Now, would you run for office?

'Just kidding... ;-)

Posted by: batb at July 1, 2008 3:42 PM

One more Canadian treasure:

Kate McMillan

Posted by: batb at July 1, 2008 3:47 PM

In the SDA stats I am at # 20.

I wonder if the HRC only spies on the top 10 or the top 20 of SDA's commenters?

(I'm kidding of course, but who knows? I might be right ? )

Posted by: Friend of USA at July 1, 2008 3:57 PM

"On the eve of Canada Day - the ON Human Rights people have come out with their modification of the way they do human rights."

I too was completely aghast when I read about the new and improved Ontario Rights Legislation and I've already written to every MLA in B.C., telling them this is the (wrong) direction in which Canada is moving.

I'd love nothing more than to be a 'proud Canadian' and indeed, we do have much of which we can be proud.

But between the new HRC legislation and the reported awarding of an Order of Canada to Henry Morgenthaler, I'm finding it very tough.

It's one thing to be proud of past accomplishments, but it's very worrisome to look at the future to which we appear to be drifting.

Posted by: NoGuff at July 1, 2008 4:00 PM

Canadian treasures who worked abroad, succeeded, returned, and still succeed?

Well, Michael Ignatieff would qualify under that - although the definition of 'treasure' might need some fluidity. Joking aside, let's start in the arts, and move onwards....

Arts - Dan Ackroyd, Paul Emile Bourdas
Military - Billy Bishop, Lieut. Colonel John McCraen (his return(s) were limited)
Science - Dr. Henry Norman Bethune, Frederick Grant Banting, Maude Abbott
Other - Sam Benfield Steele

Lots of successful 'Canadians' who have achieved abroad, to return and continue.

Although - if one looks hard - you'll notice that a persistent theme is that Canada as a nation was far more international in the past than present. That is, we looked outward and inward - reflecting upon ourselves more, and challenging and emulating the positive notions we saw.

Now, I posit that we have become a much 'smaller' nation, inwardly looking, mildly xenophobic, and far less bold in vision and aspirations. One hopes this condition would improve.

Posted by: hardboiled at July 1, 2008 4:05 PM

NoGuff, I appreciate your comments and concur.

Canadians have got to get off their butts, educate themselves about what's actually happening in our dystopian Deranged Dominion (thanks, Mark Steyn, for that very apt moniker), and and SPEAK OUT about what's happening.

It's called speaking truth into lies. Look, it might make you unpopular with some of your friends and neighbours, not to mention family members, but the future of Canada as a democracy depends on it.

If we're going to go down, please G*d, it's with a bang and not a whimper.

Posted by: batb at July 1, 2008 4:08 PM

NoGuff, I appreciate your comments and concur.

Canadians have got to get off their butts, educate themselves about what's actually happening in our dystopian Deranged Dominion (thanks, Mark Steyn, for that very apt moniker), and and SPEAK OUT about what's happening.

It's called speaking truth into lies. Look, it might make you unpopular with some of your friends and neighbours, not to mention family members, but the future of Canada as a democracy depends on it.

If we're going to go down, please G*d, it's with a bang and not a whimper.

Posted by: batb at July 1, 2008 4:09 PM

faking a killing: the truth about what happened to Mohammed al-Dura.

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=593

Posted by: Harry at July 1, 2008 4:17 PM

Don't know about you but I always suspected there was a connection. Those old wives tales always held a kernel of truth. Now, am I gonna have a complaint filed against me with the HRC?

This from FoxNews.

Forget the oysters. Texas A&M scientists say watermelon contains ingredients that deliver Viagra-like effects to the body's blood vessels and may even increase the libido.

Researchers from Texas A&M long have studied the fruit and found that it contains natural "enhancers" to the human body.

"We've always known that watermelon is good for you, but the list of its very important healthful benefits grows longer with each study," said Bhimu Patil, director of Texas A&M's Fruit and Vegetable Improvement Center, in a news release from the university.

Watermelon and some other fruits and vegetables contain phyto-nutrients, including lycopene, beta carotene and citrulline, which are compounds that produce healthy reactions in the body, Patil said.

Specifically, scientists believe it's the citrulline that has the ability to relax blood vessels, much like Viagra does.

When watermelon is consumed, citrulline is converted into the amino acid arginine, which works "wonders on the heart and circulation system and maintains a good immune system," Patil said.

"Watermelon may not be as organ-specific as Viagra," he said, "but it's a great way to relax blood vessels without any drug side-effects."

The highest concentrations of citrulline are found in the rind of the watermelon. Because the rind is not commonly eaten, Texas A&M researchers Steve King and Hae Jeen Bang are working to produce watermelon hybrids that would bring higher concentrations of citrulline to the flesh of the fruit.

Posted by: Malcolm Cross at July 1, 2008 4:24 PM

4:17pm some Canadain woman always in most case look for execuse to show importnat issue lost in small issues by their execuse sorry to show tehy are not guilty otehr are guilty is only cover up story to me.

I think it is off topic or may little can
if you refer to Canadian troops and story we heard is may wrong
it ring the bells
do we need to have reporter from war zone independent able to tell the truth who have licenece and not get bother to tell the real truth It is hardly belvie what we hear is 100% true story
we wish story of sep 11 also was only dreaming and all those dead people was alive
or we wish the civil said Canadain tropp killed them are not true story and all small children are alive
but cover one mistake with other mistake is not also accptable this si more execuse

one false can not earse other false act in criminal code.

you can not fake killing but
if he is alive thanks god
but are you denying so many kids with the same shape from both sides are dieing in similar or worst way?

if they are alive and say they are dead use medai to wake up some exremest

while most war in world is revenge of politician in some how

you hate hearing some thing you are Canadian soldure and you go fire to civilean too

revenge is aboulste action as result of most people or misused in powere
but solution the politican are seek so far is wrong
Ia m against war in total of nations

I agree with trial for govement of each countreius go to UN or indenpendt to watch all primse minsetr and presidnet
if those people in power also can go to trail
if they start murdering otehr nation they can get arrested and same as any soludre go to Afganisten if for any reason start killing any innocent need to go to army trail

even police in Canada if they do mistake they must anser to human right commision and court in Canada

when people in power do all conspiracy and no body say anythinga nd not made them got arrested then too many people can be die as the result of that crime
crime has so many shape

some people may get gun to kill some one
some pople may made otehr people to go and kill innoncet people by criminal conspriacy of master mind
both are crime

if you study criminal and see all probmes since Hitler or Sadam or kosovo and romanian and ben ladne is come from abuse of power in criminal conspricay

the worst is that if USA did kill his own about 4000 to 6000 people for made story to go reveng sadma and ben ladne
this is not crime

this crime plus
this is mental health in issue

what made me so sad recently
discrimination lead to worst than what we think off

people who made fun of human right commision
are not have politicaly and future view

if for any reason if you hate soem one for difference in color, origin, relgion and sex and job and go and this hate increase in so massive way

this hate can lead to human destruction this hate can lead to crime and mass murderer
why JFK Kennedy die for racist group who hate Kenney for his accomplish black and white issue and 100 isssue

if some one go and made plan to kill thier own people this is not accptable for any

majoritry of discrimination are mental health
tehy must go under terapy

or should get jail if sever

cause of action in past 20 years seen is discrimination was hate of otehr person cause all group are fighting and not limit na take freedom of each otehr and kil and as we can see
thhose news even media has their own prejedic

even judge has their own idea and not always do fair jdugment to people

the news Mohamad aldura is alive is not hid the fact more than 1000 ki\ds similar die

if medai show real death then people really can ot handle this any more

even public not like it not the case we or they need good legal judment system to evaulte this and every matter before come to conclusion and revenge it by otehr shape

using peopel emotion is wrong I agree
but geting read truth also is question how public shoul dmade surethos report are telling the truth

that is reason people may trust ordinary poor blogs news more than big rich newspapers under money of ads of big companies
getting real source of news and analus is important for blogs as well.
Discrimination cause all death in world and taht is reason Human right get active in world but if they can do good job or not it is up to people to fix them not put htem done
do we need police YES do we have problems in police yes but can we fix police system yes
then you can not deny we need human righ commision but how the real complain get address
you can not fun of every complain without you know total detail unlss you send your reporter to hear the court details.

Posted by: haye at July 1, 2008 4:48 PM

Fire up the BBQ?

With predictions of very low Fraser sockeye returns for 2008, look at whats happening in the Columbia River.

"Ten times as many sockeye salmon are returning to the Columbia River as last year, which could mean the highest return for Idaho's most endangered fish in more than 30 years.

The Columbia River sockeye run is already double the initial predictions and is on track to be the highest return since the 1950s."

http://www.idahostatesman.com/outdoors/story/427783.html

Posted by: johnlee at July 1, 2008 4:57 PM

"Notice that last sentence by our resident fraud, haye, who is a fake Muslim and a fake English illiterate"

ET,

could haye be an HRC employee? It certainly fits their MO, signing in under an assumed identity and stirring up trouble on right wing blog sites. Admittedly his last post was quite benign, ordering us to follow Islamic teachings rather than Canadian traditions and suggesting that Muslim Canadians are some how better than other Canadians. Do you detect a trend of agitation here?

Posted by: jgriffin at July 1, 2008 5:28 PM

Sad day for Canada...
Abortionist is given Order of Canada

CTV.ca

Posted by: bluetech at July 1, 2008 5:55 PM

jgriffin - I don't know if haye is an HRC employee; frankly, I doubt it.

The HRC members certainly want to foment confrontation - eg, our friend Lucy and his urging his student friends to 'pie' someone in the face. And the same individual posting offensive remarks on blogs to incite 'contemptuous' reactions. But, in order to achieve these reactions, the HRC posts have to be in understandable English! So, I don't think haye is an HRC employee.

I think he's a leftist, a native speaker of English, and most certainly not Islamic, and simply a 'bored juvenile' who attempts to make trouble.

The problem is, his attempt to pass himself off as not speaking English is bogus. Note also dhis claims that he works in Canada - an impossibility with his presenting himself as someone with a severe inability to communicate..

He's pretending to be unable to speak English by rejecting a grammatical structure; he just flings words around randomly. This ignores that all languages are grammatically structure. If he were legitimately non-fluent in English, he's use the grammatical structure of his 'mother tongue'.

But he uses NO grammatical structure at all! That shows he not only knows nothing about languages (which means he probably only speaks ONE native language)..it shows that he's pretending that he can't speak English.

As for what he says - I don't read it. What I read formerly convinced me that he doesn't know a thing about Islam. He just goes by the pop culture views of it. He's bogus in that.

So, he's a bored juvenile, trying to get someone to pay attention to him. He needs to grow up.

Posted by: ET at July 1, 2008 6:14 PM

Morgentaler named to Order of Canada. Ernst Zundle will be awarded his next year with Mugabe given his the year after that.

Posted by: Disappointed at July 1, 2008 6:26 PM

"After tallying the results, Trudeau was revealed as the person who most defines Canada..."

Gee thanks a lot hardboiled, you really know how to depress a soul. Oh wait, it is a CBC poll... no worries it applies only to the GTA.

As for Haye being a HRC stooge, I'm not sure. would the HRC approve holiday OT for one of their moles?

Posted by: Texas Canuck at July 1, 2008 6:29 PM

An CHRC approved cartoon: http://www.cartoonbank.com/CapContest/CaptionContest.aspx?id=148

Posted by: Wurstman Ever at July 1, 2008 6:36 PM

wurstman 6:36

it was funny cartoon you know the law of Islam now.

Muslim can not draw face of prophet Mohammad p.b.u.h


while not all but some also in Islam not like made status is also
to depend of pray face or hold face or made face like pray to that picture

because in time of prophet mohamad nonMuslim majority pray status by wood and mold

prophet Moahamad ban them to made any picture of him and made any status in order thy are not use this status for pray to taht like old history

ther is reason for not show picutre of prophet Moahamd
it does not mater hwo he look like
as some peopel now say Jesus is white
while balck people say jeses was not white

this picture of prophet lover step back from time of prophet mOhamad to pay attentin to god and god order not to pay attention to face of prophet Moahamd

but the picutre of other cousin of prophet Moahamd and grand son of porphet mohamad

every body said
prophet Mohamad had very nice face
but not wish to draw his face for politicalya nd prevent the new Muslim back to old pray status using his face again

Posted by: haye at July 1, 2008 6:59 PM

Will this be Canada in 5 yrs?

'We did not seek advice from the force's diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk:80/news/article-1030798/Muslims-outraged-police-advert-featuring-cute-puppy-sitting-policemans-hat.html

Posted by: Rich at July 1, 2008 7:25 PM

You know wurstman. I've never figured out how a "religion" could be so insecure and ashamed of itself,that they will not even allow their "deity" to be shown. Could it be they are afraid of his wedding pics? To 6 year-olds? Just to mention one thing.

Posted by: Justthinkin at July 1, 2008 7:33 PM

the person standing near police
in below web page cartoon and was wondering which re;igion to choose to
for me look like 'justhinkin'
still or just think which religion to choose
from

I can guess not choose any one
because the moses picture was missing too with 10 commend
I can guess justthinkin is jewish now

http://www.cartoonbank.com/CapContest/CaptionContest.aspx?id=148

have you seen christian and Jewish church for gay and lisbian so funny!!
if you belive jeses and moses how come then you are gay or lesbian these are ironic and funny like so as 'just thinkin'

Posted by: haye at July 1, 2008 7:45 PM

justthinkin - heh, that's a possibility. But I think the basic reason is that Islam's 'religious axioms' are based within the Judaic axioms.

Islam really has little to say about religion and what little it does say, is based primarily on the Judaic religion of the time. Islam is primarily a social, political and economic mode of life, a tribal life of the 7th century. It hasn't moved out of that 7th c. tribalism and the tension derived from that out-of-date lifestyle meeting up with modern industrialism is what has led to Islamic fascism.

At any rate, the rejection of images of god or 'holy men' is Judaic, for that religion wanted people to focus on good actions and not on individuals. They were concerned that focusing on individuals-who-were good, rather than behaviour as good, would trivialize to idolatry.

There's a lot in Islam that is based in the Judaic religion and also lifestyle - and that lifestyle is an adaptation to the middle east environment. Both peoples and indeed, most ME peoples reject the pig as 'unclean' and the reason for this taboo can be found in their environment.

The ME in that period was moving out of economies focused around animals to one focused around crops - crops can feed more people using less land. The pig can't be used for anything other than its flesh and skin; it can't be milked, ridden, pull a plough. The pig, however, became too costly in an economy shifting to other foods and other animals. The pig taboo is found throughout the whole ME.

There are a lot of explanations of 'religious' axioms that can be found within much more pragmatic causes. I'd suggest that the burka, the veil and headscarf have more to do with being an excellent way of dealing with blowing sand, and relentless sun than with any moral explanations.

In many cultures, the basic causal force is the requirement to adjust to the realities of the environment. The cultural explanation which often has nothing to do with this necessity, comes after that first cause. Moving an environmental reason, into a cultural identity, and then making that identity a religious requirement traps a people into being unable to adapt and change.

Posted by: ET at July 1, 2008 8:06 PM

Happy Canada/Dominion Day, and hoping the Hrc go to hell.

Posted by: reg dunlop at July 1, 2008 8:14 PM

Moss/haye/etc,but not bacon,was doing his thing the other day and spelled McCain's,the food people,as McCainnn's. Think about it. If you have a problem with a language you will spell poorly the words that you speak ,but if you are using trademarks , advertising,etc. in a statement,you are most likely copying,and spelling correctly. I may not be able to spell hello in japanese,but I sure can spell Nissan,Sony,Toyoto,Hitachi,Ramen,etc. without difficulty.

Posted by: wallyj at July 1, 2008 11:30 PM

Sorry Greg,slipped my mind,KAWASAKI. Many will miss you.

Posted by: wallyj at July 2, 2008 12:22 AM

final clearfication I said already some today in above post :

I am proud Muslim, you may call me restricted Muslim that I follow majority of rules of Islam in Canada as long as permitted by law here. I do not care what you thinking of me I do not like some bad culture of nonMuslim and because I am outspoken and say my opinion, I can expect some nonMuslim may not like me too especially when I may sometimes challenge with their ideas too , really I do not care about what you thinking of me either because I do not need nonmuslim trust or like when we agree in certain ideas. I do the best I can.

I must make sure god like me first. I do not harm people and not let some one force their wrong idea to me or let harm me too, but I have believed justice and recently noticed politic is major issue in Canada and some problems arise in Canada need to get directed well. I am anlysing some problems.

I am an engineer and I have Canadian Engineer iron ring I know 99% of English words even most difficult words I can understand 99% of English words and I can spell majority of English words correctly if I am not typing the word in rush. I am bad typist and have sometimes bad grammar I know grammar but I do not use it all the time I do not know why. When I type with words with errors I do not care to come back and fix it.

That is funny you say that I am one of you because on one hand you say I am idiots and on other hand you say I am one of you just pretending I am Muslim then we can be both. I like mathematics, physics, chemistry and science. I like reading, if you give your difficult English literature such as Shakespeare I can understand and explain to you but not write well.

Every body has weakness and strength I am planning to fix my weakness if I find the time I am very busy some times. I may sound childish character but I am not child I may think simple while I am complicated and not easy to understand I may sometimes not sound smart but if you see me you will know I am smart and educated.

I know what I am doing here I do not need to tell you I do not have any intention or plan to hurt or harm or spy of any of you because I donot know you. I am not pretending and I am non muslim and I am not hrc. I am polite and not like bullies and rude, misleading group off course I have a limit.

I believe freedom in some extend not bother others person right while today meaning of freedom is used in opposite action of freedom and caused so many got hurt.

I am not interest in all subject some subject may make me come back here I am very busy not here if I can not. I think I got what I want and understand the problmes in some areas but do not I know what the best solution I am not sure yet.
3things is important understand the problems, analyse the problmes and find solution for problmes is my goals is at least for myself.
nothing else to say, again I do not care about what you think of me because we do not know each other

I support hrc because we need this committee but I am not hrc or report about you to hrc.why should I? some of you are smart and may have good points , but majority of you just only follow like lamb of others to say you are right in all the subject, not know what direction to follow. Canada need good leader for Canadian.

There is too many good Muslim who study politic are living in Canada but are not communicating!

Posted by: haye at July 2, 2008 1:50 AM

well, well, suddenly, for the first time, haye or moss or whatever his current name of the moment is, can write grammatical sentences.

Suddenly, he can spell not only the difficult words, which he always did with ease, but the simple words which he always misspelled. Suddenly, he doesn't just fling words together randomly but, his sentences have a grammatical structure. What a change.

So, the costume of fraud is starting to drop away. But, there's more to come. As we all said, haye/moss, and his various other names, was pretending to be incapable of speaking English.

I'll stick to my first conclusion; he's fluent in English. He now admits he's fluent in reading; heh, he's fluent in speaking and writing as well. That was obvious in his mistaken tactic of rejecting grammar to pretend he couldn't speak English, and in his correct spelling of difficult words. The random flinging of words was a fraud, meant to present himself as a victim, an underprivileged immigrant. Didn't work.

He's also not a Muslim; his knowledge is too superficial.

And, he is insulting Muslims by his presenting them, not as capable of reason and analysis, as many Muslims like Salim Mansur and Tarek Fatah do, but as hapless, illiterate, and threatening mindless puppets.

Posted by: ET at July 2, 2008 9:10 AM

...Gadzooks! There is a lot of long winded posters in here.

NO fair, Hans uses a lot of bandwidth with his nefarious signature lines

;-)

Posted by: tomax7 at July 2, 2008 9:48 PM
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