The Australian gov't obviously has nothing better to spend their money on:
www.toiletmap.gov.au

It's all part of their national continence strategy:
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wcms/publishing.nsf/Content/Continence-2/

Nobody tell the Liberals, or they might get ideas. Maybe they'll propose a "continence tax." Or how about a "continence shift?"

I wonder what color Puffin Shift is?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/31/puffin-liberal.html

Re: Ellery Queen. (1947) What ever happened to radio?? How often do you walk into a living room, especially in the evening, and hear a radio playing?
The easiest and fastest way to trasmit widescale news is radio. All you need to do a radio report is a phone. Radio plays were cheap to produce.
Speaking of radios, a photographer once rang the door bell at Marilyn Monroe's home. She was supposed to do a shoot for a magazine. . She was stark naked. The reporter says: "Why are you answering the door with nothing on?" Cooly, she answered, "The radio's on!"

I think at least part of the phenomenon, Ranger, is that listening to radio requires more attention than watching television (because you don't have the visual channel to keep you synched), and right now our species is going through an adolescent phase of infatuation with new multi-media technologies and other multi-tasking experiments that sacrifice attention quality for action quantity, as considered in this Myth of Multitasking essay by Christine Rosen at The New Atlantis. I suspect we will grow out of that, but it will take time. Whether or not we will grow out of being suckers for fear-mongering shysters remains an open question, as the evidence suggests that we aren't very good at proper risk analysis.

www.toiletmap.gov.au

I think I have somewhere here (can't find it at the moment) a copy of (paraphrased) "Where To Go in London - a Loo Guide".

Tony at the Cock and Bull Pub in Montreal gave it to me and I find it to be a great example of Brit eccentricity. In this case, the publication originated with one oddball person who took it upon himself to do some research.

In it, I don't think there are any references to stall neighbour toe-tapping, anonymous graffiti or surreptitious photo-taking.

It's wonderful, innocent arcana.

The author, PiperPaul, of The Good Loo Guide, a compact fifty-page booklet subtitled "Where to Go in London", was Jonathan Routh, assisted by Brigid Segrave and illustrated by John Glashan. It was the first of a series, published in London by Wolfe in 1965.

Posted by: Vitruvius at June 21, 2008 1:22 AM

I think at least part of the phenomenon, Ranger, is that listening to radio requires more attention than watching television (because you don't have the visual channel to keep you synched), and right now our species is going though a adolescent phase of infatuation with new multi-media technologies and other multi-tasking experiments that sacrifice attention quality for action quantity, as considered in this Myth of Multitasking essay by Christine Rosen at The New Atlantis. I suspect we will grow out of that, but it will take time. Whether or not we will grow out of being suckers for fear-mongering shysters remains an open question, as the evidence suggests that we aren't very good at proper risk analysis.

Bang-on, Vit.

The author, PiperPaul, of The Good Loo Guide, a compact fifty-page booklet subtitled "Where to Go in London", was Jonathan Routh...

Yes, that's it! Thank you. Damn fast response.

Paul

Sometimes, Paul, I want to scream at people for taking so little time to pay attention to considering the readers of their comments, before they post them. People forget that thousands of people read their comments, so the multiplier on a comment well enough written to attract attention is significant. Yet far too often readers are burning out their mouse-wheel bearings trying to get past dreck.

On the other hand, I learned a long time ago that it is better to try to set a good example than it is to go around criticizing people all the time, so I just copied and pasted "Where To Go in London - a Loo Guide" from your comment into Google, and did your homework for you ;-)

On that note, folks, good night, best wishes, and
as always thanks to our lovely hostess Miss Kate.

TRAGEDY FOR CANADIAN ICON!

Has anyone else here tried the new Kraft Dinner? I did and think it is awful. Looks like it will be a repeat of the the 'New Coke' fiasco.

(Just to get away from the politics, HRC and military topics)

Which new Kraft Dinner? I mean, there are, like, eight varieties of Kraft Dinner at Safeway. Are you saying that traditional Kraft Dinner is no longer available, and if so, do you have any evidence to support that conjecture? If so, that would be serious. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted a comment after saying "good night", already.

Civility in Canada in the year 2008:

Globe and Mail commentor "ProudCanadian":

Proud Canadian from Canada, Canada writes: Howe, the only good American is a XXXX one. Fill in the blanks. Give you a clue. Iraq, there are 4500 of them.
* Posted 20/06/08 at 9:23 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080620.wspt-emery-waived-20/CommentStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home#comment2170553

"Harper F*cked In Head, Dion Plan Won't Screw Canadians!"

http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2008/06/harper-f*cked-in-head-dion-plan-wont.html

"So Many Christians, So Few Lions"
http://canuctude.blogspot.com/

One of my daughter's best friends now lives in the UK. Whenever my daughter visits her and vice versa, we make sure to give a present of as many Kraft Dinners as we/she can fit in the luggage. If what Sarge says is true, I'll be sad to break the news!

Vitruvius: "I suspect we will grow out of that [adolescent phase of infatuation with new multi-media technologies and other multi-tasking experiments that sacrifice attention quality for action quantity], but it will take time.

I really hope you're right, Vitruvius, but wonder why you are so optomistic? What is going to divert us from all the gadgets and gizmos which allow for instant everything--except one's full and intentional attention? I looked around me, last night, sitting on a restaurant patio open to a streetscape, and saw at least three passersby and other patrons on their cell phones, text messaging and talking, paying no attention to the others in their group or, seemingly, to the beautiful sunset and magnificent cloud structures in a clear, blue, turning darker, sky.

I can't imagine what circumspection--and from where?--will change us from our "adolescent" attention-deficit phase, as you so aptly put it, to being once more attentive to what is happening around us and being able to imagine our own visuals rather than have hundreds of them continuously bombard us, and even at a subliminal level.

Perhaps economic reality sometime in the future? Or, is it possible that we might just burn out from information overload along with less and less communication?

"B.C. natives lock up band office in feud over land-claim windfall

VANCOUVER — Angry members of one of the wealthiest native groups in the country have padlocked the band's administration centre on their reserve in south Vancouver, demanding to know what happened to millions of dollars that the federal and British Columbia governments recently gave them."
http://tinyurl.com/4sjk23 (g-m)

Re: Kraft Dinner

Yes, the original, iconic, comfort food that many of us grew up with has been changed! If you are one who normally buys it by the case, don't!, until you've tried a single box. It is awful!

There are even 'Hate new Kraft Dinner' pages showing up on Facebook - and likely elsewhere; and at the Kraft Canada site, 95% of the comments about it are negative. Considering you have to login to make a comment there, and many people are doing so just to raise their disgust about the change, it is pretty bad.

How much is this a**hole costing us? We will probably never know...
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Ottawa terror suspect Mohamed Harkat has chosen a new team of lawyers.

But whether or not Ottawa defence lawyers Matthew Webber and Norman Boxall will represent Harkat will be contingent on the outcome of a funding application going before the Federal Court on July 2 and 3, which attempts to have the federal government assume responsibility for paying their wages.

Currently, the defence lawyers representing the Alergian national would be paid through the Ontario legal aid plan at a maximum rate of $92 an hour.

Those who have been appointed to special advocate status receive about $275 an hour from the federal government.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/06/21/5947071-sun.html

If The Toronto Star Poll cannot support Dion's Green Shift it is very unlikely that the rest of the country will.

The Toronto Star asks:

Are you willing to pay higher taxes on fossil fuels if you also get an income tax cut?

Yes 1969 38%

No 2851 55%

Undecided 284 5%

Slop and Flail wants to invest Albertas money instead of siphoning it off to social programs?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080620.wconference20/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

Vitruvius: **I suspect we will grow out of that [adolescent phase of infatuation with new multi-media technologies and other multi-tasking experiments that sacrifice attention quality for action quantity], but it will take time.**
batb **I can't imagine what circumspection--and from where?--will change us from our "adolescent" attention-deficit phase**

I agree with those who say that children’s basic perceptual processes are hard-wired long before they reach adolescence. And of course this wiring is carried through to adulthood. It even appears there is a significant difference in those perceptual processes between people who spent much of their pre-adolescent childhood without TV, and those who were born into families with that electronic luxury.

So as long as we have homes with two parents working in order to afford the electronic babysitters that are required because both parents have to work and are too tired to spend the quality time required to help their children perceive the real [physical] world…

I too find it difficult to be optimistic.

""Providing jobs to other provinces does not deprive Alberta," says Brian McCready, regional vice-president for the Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters."
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"March 19, 2007

"Ontario's Biggest-Ever Trade Mission Seeks Oilsands Contracts"

""We've brought 208 people here representing 134 companies," says Pupatello (shown at left). "This is the largest trade delegation ever assembled by Ontario, even bigger than our trade mission to China [in 2005].""
http://tinyurl.com/5gsq5s (dobmag)

Ontario's Premier, Dolty McGuinty, is not endorsing Dion's Shifty Shafting Scheme simply because he's trying to drum up business with Alberta.

He's no too swift but he knows how to play Liberal games, lying and flogging the snake oil. He's a proven liar but in Ontario that doesn't count for anything according to the voters who rewarded him for lying.

Premier Danny Williams:

"N.L. premier's office tried to bury botched cancer tests: inquiry
St. John’s Telegram"
http://tinyurl.com/59n5r7 (NP)
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Our Enemy, The State by Albert J. Nock, Introduction
Our Enemy the State by Albert J. Nock - His Classic Critique Distinguishing 'Government' from the 'State', -- Introduction.
www.barefootsworld.net/nockoets0.html

Anybody know if this story is for real?

http://www.scottloperstory.com/index.html

Earl the Pearl
When did you see that T.O Star poll i went to todays web page & it is a poll on Parking Tickets

Or is another Poll Gone Horribly wrong & they squashed all evidence of it?

glasnost: We're obviously on the same page.

Thanks for spelling optimistic correctly!! ;-)

Where did Citoyen Dion & his socialists get their "revenue neutral" beee-$$$$$$$?
Flom Mao Stlong-UNO.
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"UN tells how to do it"

""Kick the Habit, a UN Guide to Climate Neutrality" can show you how."
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=208805&src=119

Vitruvius et al,

I believe that radio plays and the like aren't as popular because they required you to use your imagination, something we seem to be breeding out of kids today.

When I was a kid Lego was a set of rectangular blocks. You used your imagination to make them into whatever you wanted them to be. Today Lego is an identical model that goes together one way, based on the instructions.

When I was a kid, toys didn't make sounds; you made the sounds again based on your imagination. Today every toy (and I do mean every) makes a set of pre-determined sounds. No imagination required.

Same goes for television.

Radio plays, and I remember them Sunday nights on CHUM-FM (I'm 47), required you to imagine the scene. I loved The Shadow myself.

Free advice to Minister Day: stay away from this. Show them your heels. Stay off the reserves.
This is worse than the proverbial hornet's nest.
Do you want Canada to be appear and to be an occupation force?
Do you want the head of this occupying force to become an "Hell-roaring Jake Smith"? A "Bull" Connor?
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"Meeting with Day leaves FSIN hopeful
Saskatchewan News Network; Regina Leader-Post

REGINA (SNN) -- A meeting with Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day on Friday has given the Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations (FSIN) hope the federal government is open to the idea of establishing peacekeepers on First Nations."
http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/local/story.html?id=ca4db48a-8efd-4f15-8709-60a6cbeb7cee

NICE guys knew it, now two studies have confirmed it: bad boys get the most girls. The finding may help explain why a nasty suite of antisocial personality traits known as the "dark triad" persists in the human population, despite their potentially grave cultural costs.

The traits are the self-obsession of narcissism; the impulsive, thrill-seeking and callous behaviour of psychopaths; and the deceitful and exploitative nature of Machiavellianism. At their extreme, these traits would be highly detrimental for life in traditional human societies. People with these personalities risk being shunned by others and shut out of relationships, leaving them without a mate, hungry and vulnerable to predators.

But being just slightly evil could have an upside: a prolific sex life, says Peter Jonason at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces. "We have some evidence that the three traits are really the same thing and may represent a successful evolutionary strategy."

www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826614.100-bad-guys-really-do-get-the-most-girls.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news4_head_mg19826614.100

...mischievously noted that Mr. Harper's accusation that the carbon tax would “screw everybody in the country” is a backhanded acknowledgment that it is equitable from region to region.

When they Gore me as a westerner I won't feel so bad if Ontarians and Quebecers are getting similarly screwed.

Yup, sounds like a Liberal plan.

Batb and Glasnost, note that when I said we (by which I meant H. Sapiens Sapiens in general, not necessarily todays readers of my comment) will probably grow out of the currently fashionable trend of new-technology based attention-deficit over-tasking, I didn't specify a time scale. After a time, or a few generations anyway, we'll probably get bored with what for some now seems like a rush, and then the pendulum will swing back. Forever is a long time, especially toward the end.

It is probably the case that I'm an optimist because my brain is structured that way, whereas most people who comment in blogs are pessimists because blog comments are a good place for people whose brains are structured that way to be that way. And if I'm wrong, and it's not a brain-structure thing, then remember the words of Heinlein, who said, "Don't ever become a pessimist. A pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events".

Anyway, get back to me in a hundred years and we'll compare notes ;-)

A must read for those interested in military matters:

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=99de5056-1d13-4d31-8ff7-6135b652cd40&p=7

A pretty good effort at describing how Chretien did his best to make sure Canadians, particularly their military, didn't get the best helicopters.

The Cyclone has, from day one, been an inferior helicopter for Canada's maritime military needs. The EH 101 (not the scaled back Cormorant) is superior in every operational regard, including cost given the small difference in their bid.

Mr Harper, if there is any legal way possible of getting out of the Sikorsky deal, without painful penalties, then please do so. Then go talk to AW, now that you guys made nice in November, and say, I need 28 choppers ASAP, give me back my penalties. This time we will actually consider the cost savings of running a common fleet (which, as article points out, Chretien intentionally kept out of requirements).

Read the article, it's quite illuminating. I had no idea of the lengths Chretien and his delegates went to to keep from looking bad. Eggleton actually moves up a notch in my mind now - he made sure we got the proper S&R, and that is a credit to him.

I heard that Australians are now the fattest people on the planet, with Americans no. 2. I thought Australians were into sports - maybe they drink too much beer. Any thoughts?

Hey, Vitruvius: I'll look forward to getting back to you in a few hundred years! ;-) Who knows, we may be swinging on a star (being better off than we are...) or on Cloud 9.

You're probably right about optimists having more fun. But, I'm not really a pessimist--'just a realist.

Within your time frame, however, I may just be able to squeeze a little optimism out of my realist-structured brain. Pendulums do swing, if we don't blow ourselves up first--or entertain ourselves to death. ;-)

It even appears there is a significant difference in those perceptual processes between people who spent much of their pre-adolescent childhood without TV, and those who were born into families with that electronic luxury.

I grew up with TV and "watch" (while doing other thiongs) a lot of it and I'm perfectlyss fiineee, na prublioms at al.

The problem is more like a lack of critical thinking skills.

"the United Church of Canada will this weekend debate the topic: "Shouldn't the United Church just throw in the towel?""

Our Lady of the Cliches, aka Sheila Copps, would have used this cliche: Shouldn't the United Church just throw the Baby out with the bath water?
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"What is there to save?
Ian Hunter, National Post"
http://tinyurl.com/5gppw5

I just copied and pasted "Where To Go in London - a Loo Guide" from your comment into Google, and did your homework for you ;-)

Hey, check out my new site; I've got a story category called "Do My Homework" based on 10 years of email-based forum newbie questions to pipingdesign.com.

www.pipingdesign.org

Sorry for the blatant plug.

I've been in the classroom for nearly four decades and I'm a pessimist on the "will we grow out of this?"

Kids today are extremely self-referential, they relate mainly to the peer group--most of the adults around notice that kids pass us by as if we weren't there--their critical thinking skills have been stunted, and manners--what are they? (Few, even "well brought up" kids ever say please and thank you without being prompted.)

These kids are actually a lot like Peter Pan, it seems to me: they don't seem to grow up. Already, a lot of their parents and teachers are Peter Pan types: very difficult to be around and work with as they seem to be wearing blinkers, feel perpetually entitled, and are often loathe to be accountable. These kinds of adult--and they're legion these days--are so used to having excuses made for them, they now do that for the kids, when some discipline is what's actually needed. But, all kinds of "adults" these days have not a clue how to exercise authority or apply logical consequences. It's actually painful to behold, especially if one has to deal with these adult toddlers.

How one builds solid citizen types from this foundation, I don't know. Vitruvius, maybe some time, somehow things will improve, but they'll certainly get a whole lot worse before they get better. And, personally, I don't believe that silk purses can be made from sows' ears!

I also don't see how being optimistic in these particular circumstances helps as I don't think any amount of optimism is going to change the slide into barbarism I'm seeing right under my nose . . .

maz2, Ian Hunter had a fine article in the National Post yesterday about the demise--has already happened--of the United Church (or Untied Church as we used to call it).

The Anglican Church is headed in the same direction. Like me, Ian Hunter has recently left the Anglican communion and become a Roman Catholic. Whatever one might say about the Church of Rome, at least it takes its teachings seriously. The United and Anglican Churches are at war with their own doctrines: suicidal. Stupid too.

Lookout said: "How one builds solid citizen types from this foundation, I don't know."

Simple, but controversial. Bring back the draft!

I was a late baby-boomer era kid with a sense of entitlement. But 23 years in uniform taught me to give respect, and that respect has to be earned. It taught that I have to accept responsibility for errors (and I made plenty); and taught how to use - not abuse authority, when granted.

Sarge, we're on the same page. The public school system needs--but the Charter would likely disallow--a parallel system.

The first system would be the original idea: teachers would be present to TEACH the curriculum. Children prepared to learn would be most welcome, including those with learning difficulties, minus the negative, to hostile, to violent attitude. The second system--Boot School--would deal with the mounting number of miscreants who make some of our schools mini war zones. (With Administration taking the role of the UN--empowering the troublemakers!)

As I said, the Charter would probably prevent such an occurence: "Our kids have a right to be bad": think the recent SCC decision, where kids, doing illegal things at school, apparently have a right to privacy. Canadian elites are living in La-La Land.

I agree that the draft would smarten up a whole lot of navel gazers and bad apples. Again, I'm quite sure the Charter would overrule it.

'Frustrating!

lookout: "Canadian elites are living in La-La Land"...

...behind high walls, fences, elaborate alarm systems, and able to escape the mean streets of Ottawa and Toronto every weekend.

Many of us don't have any of those luxuries and have to actually live with the unintended consequences of their soft-headed, bleeding-heart policies they've foisted on society.

Every one of these elitists should have to spend a month in a classroom teaching the little, deprived sweethearts they advocate for, and then they can come and live in my home without the amenities of alarm system, high walls, cottage in Muskoka/the Gatineaus, or hired help.

That would make them think a little differently about the epidemic problems of bullying, lack of respect, the downright barbarism of way too many kids and adult toddlers (thanks for that appellation, lookout; it's perfect) today.

Failing that, let's send the elites to boot camp. ;-)

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080619/afghan_pipeline_080619/20080621?hub=TopStories

A U.S-backed pipeline would be an inviting target for the Taliban and al Qaeda operatives in Afghanistan, and the planned project would run directly through Kandahar, the volatile region that Canada has promised to defend through 2011.

Who says it has to be an aboveground pipeline? Many pipelines are of high wall thickness not for pressure containment but for the ability to withstand .50 caliber rounds and nearby explosions.

Leak detection systems are also very sophisticated these days.

Dion states that his carbon tax is to 'punish the polluters'. Ahh, now that's a mature tactic of dealing with a problem. Punish them. Don't fix it. Just punish them.

Our factories were built by us, by Canadians, and they were built according to the national standards of construction of the day. That means, they weren't ad hoc backwoods put-to-gethers. They were authorized by us, by our standards.

Now, our standards have changed. So, instead of punishing us - which is Mr. Dion's only tactic - how about doing two things?

The first is to develop the new technology to make our industries operate 'cleanly'. That new technology requires research and ..time. So, Mr. Dion, fund that research. He doesn't do this.

The second is to enable us to install new technology. Sure, if you want to tax us Evil Canadians Who Own Factories - go ahead. But return it to us in the form of low cost loans to install clean technology.
Mr. Dion doesn't do that.

What does he do? He taxes us, we Canadians who own factories. And then, he hands over that money to those who don't own and run factories. For their vote.

Mr. Dion doesn't give one small flip of his finger for the environment. He's into vote buying. He's taking the money where he can, from big industries, and flipping it over to the poor, in return for their vote.

Heck, what will he do when we do the flip ourselves? When we simply pass on the costs to those poor? Everything will go up in price. Not just heating. But food, clothing, wages, everything.

Oh, and the pollution will continue. Actually, Mr. Dion needs us Canadians to pollute. Otherwise, he wouldn't have any money. To buy votes.
And the pollution will continue because Mr. Dion isn't doing a thing, not one single flipping thing, to enable and install any new clean technology.

So, when our industries go bankrupt and people are out of work - what will Mr. Dion do for his bribe money?
When more and more people buy things from the biggest global polluter, China, what will Mr. Dion do for the environment?

Poor Mr. Dion. His left and his right hand are both giving him the flip.

Where is the cancer cure? The search has gone on for decades. The cure has turned into the ReSearch for the Holy Grail.
Is there a cure for cancer? Is this another giant hoax/scam?
Sorry. Now, "they" are gonna "Conquer Cancer".
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"First Ride to Conquer Cancer hopes to raise $14-million" (g-m)

A Study in MSM Headlines: Citoyen Dion's socialist "Green Shaft"
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"Dion invites Harper to 'adult' debate
CBC.ca"

"Angry Dion calls for debate with Harper on climate change
CIARA BYRNE
The Canadian Press" (g-m)

"Dion rails against Harper's harsh words on Liberals' carbon tax plan
By Ciara Byrne, THE CANADIAN PRESS" (g-m)

"Dion scolds Harper over harsh words on Liberal's carbon tax scheme The Canadian Press"

"Carbon tax plan 'good for the wallet,' Dion pledges
CBC.ca, Canada - 19 Jun 2008
Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion announces his Green Shift plan on Thursday in Ottawa, saying it will be 'good for the planet, good for the wallet. ..."

"Liberals aren't telling the truth about carbon tax
Windsor Star, Canada - 9 hours ago
Stephane Dion and the Liberals say you won't see any sign of his carbon tax at the pump. That isn't necessarily true. The Liberals have proposed to target ..."

ET, you predicted long ago Dion would try this tactic. It's amazing that he thinks he can get away with this scheme to pay for his spending promises. Everybody knows carbon dioxide emission and day care spaces are related, right? Wrong, but Dion thinks we won't notice.

What's really laughable is he thinks Canadians want to punish polluters and that he wouldn't be humiliated in a one on one debate with Harper on the issue. Mr Dion had many chances to do just that, in an election campaign, but he decided to abstain and hide behind the curtain. I doubt seriously he want to actually debate his proposal with PMSH - he just wants Harper to stop criticizing his plan, to be "adult" and accept that Dion's a genius.

Sorry Stephane, doesn't work that way. This isn't the seminar room where you get to grade Harper's presentation. This the real world of politics, where nobody has to play by you rules (where Dion chucks s**t at Harper, which he's done from day one, then cries because everybody's being mean to him).

He's truly out of touch if he thinks Canadians are going to buy his garbage argument that redistributing income with tax hikes will do anything for national, or international, environment. What's next, credits to China to try and convince them not to increase their emissions to the point where their growth alone will far oustrip total Canadian emmissions.

The notion of developing clean non-carbon fuel technology is serious and demands many actions on many fronts, not the feel good collectivist and restributivist crap Dion is floating.

Dion has rolled the dice and will get snake eyes, no doubt in my mind. The NDP will chip away votes on the left, while Tories drain him from the right. IMO, about 40% of voters think carbon taxes will do any good, and that vote will have to be split amongst all the opposition parties.

Harper will go for a majority on this one. So, go ahead Dion ask for a debate. Mr Harper, ask when when and where, face to face, they shall debate this - then watch Dion run away and hide behind the curtain again - the "adult" thing to do.

I hope you're right. (Shamrock) I just spent some time scanning through the commentary at CBC news site. Even taking into consideration possible comment manipulation, I found it discouraging to see how many are actually buying into the green shift argument. If that's any sort of cross section of the population-at-large, then I'm starting to worry... .

john_n: "Anybody know if this story is for real?"

John, this sounds like a story I was given by a chap who I met casually via a friend. He had all sorts of wild accusations and harrowing death escapes. He was believed by most of his friends and our local news media. Upon questioning him for details I could easily tell his story did not check out. Very good imagination though. Possible brought on by post traumatic stress disorder.
Needless to say, I feel your chap's story as the same and likely to make some money through donations too boot.

Hmmm - I wonder how well Kyoto will answer to Ponzi. BTW: It's not the dog's fault.

donny n., the good news is that almost nobody follows the CBC news. So even a large percentage of almost no percentage is a very small percentage of people who even notice what the CBC nincompoops say.

The bad news is that we pay $ one billion for this propaganda machine.

P.S. That should read "$ one billion PER YEAR".

Waiting for the inevitable complaint to the Ontario Human Rights Commission.

http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/447125

In the month since the Star published its investigation into the secret world of polygamy in our community, reporter Noor Javed has braved a firestorm of criticism.

So too has the Star itself, with several complaints about Javed's groundbreaking articles about polygamy within the Muslim community in the GTA coming to the public editor's office.