Pakistan has a helpful suggestion for the West - become more Islamic, and we'll all get along.
Pakistan will ask the European Union countries to amend laws regarding freedom of expression in order to prevent offensive incidents such as the printing of blasphemous caricatures of Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) and the production of an anti-Islam film by a Dutch legislator, sources in the Interior Ministry told Daily Times on Saturday.They said that a six-member high-level delegation comprising officials from the Ministry of Interior, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Law would leave Islamabad on Sunday (today) for the EU headquarters in Brussels, Belgium and explain to the EU leadership the backlash against the blasphemous campaign in the name of freedom of expression.
They said that the delegation would also tell the EU that if such acts against Islam are not controlled, more attacks on the EU diplomatic missions abroad could not be ruled out.
I’m sure readers will spot the familiar supremacist assumptions and the consequent moral inversion. The deaths, riots and violence were, apparently, “unleashed” by infidels who drew cartoons satirising previous threats and violence by belligerent Muslims. Things of which we must not speak. Those actually doing the murdering, threatening and rioting are, it seems, “harassed”. Poor them. Thus, by the ambassador’s thinking, the fits of emotional incontinence and attempts to cow dissent become our responsibility and, conveniently, no-one else’s. And those who need to “reflect” on what has happened - and what will no doubt happen again – are infidels who are, as yet, insufficiently fearful. And, by the same logic, we must learn to pacify and accommodate people who are prideful, malevolent and insane. Or else.
This would be amusing if I didn't think the eurocrats will, at the very least, seriously consider such measures, if not actually implement them.
Welcome, Jewish friends from Europe! We have space!
Posted by: Occam's Carbuncle at June 10, 2008 9:05 AMGee, I wonder what would happen if the EU sent the delegation's heads back to Pakistan in a variety of tastefully carved and glided boxes?
Posted by: The Phantom at June 10, 2008 9:05 AMBTW, why do I hear Chambelain's ghost giggling "Peace be upon you in our time. Hee hee!"?
Posted by: The Phantom at June 10, 2008 9:11 AMWe'll help them out and ask Nancy Pelosi to don her scarf and speak to them in her usual placating and unctuous tones. Certainly if our most powerful elected officials humiliate themselves with the world bearing witness, we'll all get along.
Posted by: iowavette at June 10, 2008 9:20 AMhow do you tell a moderate muslim from a radical one BEFORE they go BOOM?
Posted by: Durward at June 10, 2008 9:25 AMMadness.
Culturally and financially bankrupt adherents of a primitive and savage ideology dictating terms of surrender.
And western unelected officials are all too anxious to sign the dhimmi contract.
I think it's a bit beyond - Fire. Them. All.
Posted by: irwin daisy at June 10, 2008 9:41 AM*
"submit to Islam and nobody gets hurt."
i dunno kate... tell that to sheikh ali al-nida.
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Posted by: neo at June 10, 2008 9:47 AMDear Phantom,
Shortly before his death, Chamberlain realized the futility, and indeed the dreadful consequences, of his strategy of appeasement. Of course, this epiphany occurred after the invasion of Poland, by which time it was merely academic.
I expect Chamberlain's ghost would be urging EU leaders not to make the mistake he made, and wouldn't be giggling at the prospect.
Posted by: Darrell at June 10, 2008 10:02 AMAnd most likly the euroweenie union will give them what they want on a silver platter becuase the euroweenie union has become a bunch of pathetic nambdy pambdies
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at June 10, 2008 10:10 AM"And most likly the euroweenie union will give them what they want on a silver platter becuase the euroweenie union has become a bunch of pathetic nambdy pambdies"
And we Canadians are what?? Ferocious bloggers?
Sorry, but I see Europe as Canada in 10 years or sooner.
Posted by: summom bonum at June 10, 2008 10:45 AMEurope has a long tradition of accommodating Islamic practices and demands. One particularly brilliant practitioner of this tactic was Vlad Tepes, a.k.a. Vlad the Impaler or Dracula:
It is said that during the reign of Dracula in Wallachia, Sultan Mohammed II sent some ambassadors.The latter having entered the reception hall of the Prince paid homage in accordance with their custom of not taking their fezzes off. Dracula then asked: "Why do you behave in this way? You introduce yourselves to me and then do me dishonor." The Turkish representatives answered in unison: "This is the custom with the rulers of our country." Dracula then spoke to them in this way: "I, too, would like to strengthen your customs, so that you may adhere to them even more rigidly."
He then immediately ordered his retainers to bring him some nails in order to secure the fezzes on the heads of the Turkish ambassadors...
Raymond T. McNally and Radu Florescu, In Search of Dracula, Appendix III, p. 209.
heres one for all our HRC PC commisars
http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/Cartoon/2008/06/10/5828086-sun.html
Posted by: spike at June 10, 2008 10:48 AMBush was on FOX this morning making a speech from Slovenia where he stated that it would be a good thing for Turkey to join the EU. His naivete as with Putin and his failure to put the correct name to our enemies drives me crazy. It's time for Bush to leave center stage.
Turkey's inclusion into the EU would be a catastrophe. Aside from the free movement of millions of Turks within EU borders which makes it easier for the Islamic fascists, censorship would be a given, it would be demanded and the Euroweenies would capitulate in a heartbeat.
Sadly, it's probably going to happen because Europeans have a habit of making bad choices. They learned no lessons from the Third Reich or from the Cold War.
Posted by: penny at June 10, 2008 10:53 AMBuy a copy of "America Alone" for every politician, schoolteacher and journalist you know.
Posted by: jack at June 10, 2008 11:09 AMI picture Barbara Hall in a cape, helmut and no shirt receiving their messenger delegation on the edge of a giant bottomless pit.
Huh, wha, .. er sorry where were we - oh yes, limitless surrender.
Posted by: richfisher at June 10, 2008 11:12 AMFirst, could we ask for a reciprocal agreement requiring that the muslims refrain from all disparaging remarks and restrictions on religious practice directed against Jews and Christians?
Second, to which brand of Islam are we to submit? Shia? Sunni? Suffism? Wahabbism? . . .
Maybe we should put it back to them, stop the criticism and harassment of Christians and Jews or the further invasion of their countries and the hanging of their leaders can not be ruled out.
I agree with David Thompson that the dialogue is one of Islamic supramacist to dhimmi. That, I think, is the motivation behind the Socks and the CIC: "we'll put those dhimmis in their place."
Our response should be in the spirit of the U.S. general who, when sent terms of surrender by his German counterpart, wrote back "nuts."
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at June 10, 2008 11:25 AMsummom bonum said: "Sorry, but I see Europe as Canada in 10 years or sooner."
Hello, human rights tribunals! Ezra Levant!
We already have this debacle in place. The EU (or Eeew, as I like to say it) are ten years behind -us-.
That's why these cretins didn't send a delegation to Ottawa.
Posted by: The Phantom at June 10, 2008 11:37 AMRegulating the use of words, that is a great idea! We will need some sort of government ministry to cleanse our dictionaries for us, purge all the useless and hurtful words. Don't know what they would call it.
While they are in there doing that, they could also increase the efficiency of speaking. for example, we do not really need the word "not", every word can just be its own negation by putting an "un" on the front. Instead of not good or bad, things will be ungood. We have already shortened the dictionary by 2 words with almost zero effort! We can get rid of the adjectives too, very, great, all unnecessary. Just use addition; plus good, double plus good, double plus ungood, all good examples or the new style of speaking, or "new speak", that our children and grandchildren will become accustomed to.
Posted by: Kevin at June 10, 2008 11:48 AMFace it: we're doomed. They've already won.
Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, part two.
In 1000 years we'll have to re-invent everything again just like Europe couldn't pave roads or build aqueducts after the fall of Rome. New archaeologists will unbury old trinkets of our fallen society and come to the usual incorrect conclusions on how we could be so utterly stupid as to lose everything. The same campus fools will be attempting to subvert whatever civilization is in place then like the leftard academics are now and nothing will have changed.
It's kind of like the Matrix. The rise and fall of civilization is cyclical. It all has to end regularly to be renewed. The idea of a Phoenix is a metaphor for all life and all life follows the same pattern. The peak of this great civilization is the same as the next ones and the same as the previous ones. There is little difference between 2008 and 308 AD. Civilizations die when they no longer have the will to live.
Posted by: Warwick at June 10, 2008 11:50 AMFunny how the cartoons are deemed to have been drawn and published out of hate but actual terrorist attacks are merely the venting of frustration by harassed Muslims.
Posted by: mark peters at June 10, 2008 11:57 AMThe appeasement of radical Islam is futile. Not unlike feeding the alligator in hopes it will eat you last. Sounds alot like the current situation in the EU, eh?
Posted by: Eskimo at June 10, 2008 12:01 PMForgive me if I'm not inclined to give any validity to calls for "rights" from any nation civilly unstable enough to use assassination as a tool in selecting democratic candidates.
Piss off Pakistan and good luck finding help with your looming food shortages.
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at June 10, 2008 12:14 PMWL,
We're to the point where we'll feed them anyway.
We did Indonesia and some of the people unloading food aid were wearing Osama Bin Laden t-shirts.
Posted by: Warwick at June 10, 2008 12:17 PMWhat, ask Muslims to just deal with pork in the school cafeteria in a secular manner like Jews have always done, deal with a bottle of wine in their cab like Mormon cab drivers do, or accept that your religion will be ridiculed as with Piss Christ and responding with censorship or death threats isn't a western civilized option, please, DrD.
It's never going to happen. The behavior of the four little Sock Puppets that availed themselves of the best that the west has to offer in a secular civil society pretty much underscores that.
Second, to which brand of Islam are we to submit? Shia? Sunni? Suffism? Wahabbism?...
That's a very good question. Given that there are some Muslims who would kill us for not being Muslim and there are some Muslims who would kill us for not being the right kind of Muslim, it is imperative that some Muslims themselves clear that point up. And with any luck, some Muslims will be so busy killing each other over that, they'll leave us alone.
Win, win.
Posted by: Kathryn at June 10, 2008 12:21 PMHere's a threat that the pissant Pakistanis might notice: remittances will now be subject to currency controls.Extended families will no longer be allowed travel permission to Canada or other Western nations.
Tolerance is a two way street,Sharif.
Posted by: Howie Meeker at June 10, 2008 12:33 PMI guess this time we won't be sending a CEF across the Atlantic to save the Euros from themselves. We'll be too busy surrendering at home.
From the link provided by Spike at 10:48:
"Down at the 'Roo House out in the street
See the roos all hopping to that sweet dhimmi beat.
Hopping on our freedoms, hopping on our pride
Down at the 'Roo House the day our country died."
If the EU complies then they leaders might as well castrate themselves, wrap the remains in their various constitutions and human rights documents and send the whole package to the UN. heh
Posted by: lynnh at June 10, 2008 12:38 PMCheck out this little gem sent to the Fraser Institute.
http://www.mackenzieinstitute.com/2008/hate-mail-052008.htm
I am already prideful, malevolent and insane.
What should I do?
Screw the lot of 'em, I say.
Come to my country and tell me how I should think??
Go back to f.....g Pakistan
Posted by: jlc at June 10, 2008 1:10 PMI always like the old joke of the Jew and Muslim that find a lamp on the beach. The genie says he will grant them one wish.
The muslim says he hates the Jews and infidels and wants a 50 foot wall built around the whole muslim middle east to keep them out. The genie says no problem and poof the wall is done and the muslim returned to his home city of Mecca.
The genie asks the Jew what he would like. After pondering for a few moments he asks the genie if the wall really surrounds the whole middle east. "Yes" the genie says. "Okay", says the Jew, "Fill it up with water!"
Posted by: Dave at June 10, 2008 1:14 PMNo need to page old Babs Hall, she's probably already working on such an idiotic notion.
We here in Canaduh had better push hard to get rid of old Babs and the entire lot of HRC's across the country or we certainly will be going down the road to some form of accommodation for Islamists. It's not the so-called normal ones,they're not asking their religion be enacted into our laws, it's the activists/troublemakers like Elmasry who are trying to take away our freedoms in favour of theirs.
They don't seem to get the concept religion is a personal, private matter. In Canada you are free to practice whatever religion you wish, in turn you should mind your own business.
Neither do they grasp the fact that we are free to criticize, compare, discuss any and all subjects including religions, this is a Democracy, not a Theocracy ruled with an Iron hand and brutality.
"They said that the delegation would also tell the EU that if such acts against Islam are not controlled, more attacks on the EU diplomatic missions abroad could not be ruled out."
Blunt admission that they were responsible.
These are 'diplomats'??
Posted by: shaken at June 10, 2008 1:39 PMOne day, unless we resist, politics in Canada will become like university campuses, where only the progressives will be able to speak without harassment and anyone else who speaks will be considered a "harasser" and be "corrected".
This is Marxism through the back door folks.
Did anyone read the story from Manitoba about the kid who wrote racist symbols on her arm. A prof was pondering about whether these children should be taken away from their racist parents. While I think racists of all sorts are creeps, consider that these progressive types also think that being anti-gay is a hate crime. Consider that in the UK foster parents can not be evangelical or Roman Catholic Christians because they are "homophobic". Catholics can't run adoption agencies cause they are homophobic. This all makes me wonder whether one day Christian parents will not be able to tell their children that homosexuality is a sin lest the state take their children away. Consider that in Germany it is a crime to home school children. I think we are only 10 years away from Christian children being removed from homes which teach them that homosexuality is a sin. Just listen to the gay communities rhetoric.
Hey, if you think I am paranoid, consider that no one would have believed you 10 years ago that Macleans would be before a human rights tribunal.
All this craziness has moved this once Saskatchewan social democrat boy WAY RIGHTWING ... I now think the conservatives are too left wing regarding issues of freedom. We need proportional representation in Canada so there can something like the Reform Party and not the mushy mush Conservatives.
Posted by: Joe Smith at June 10, 2008 1:45 PMSubstitute "woman" for "infidel" and the post reads something like this: Death and violence were, apparently "unleashed" by women who ....
Is this the policy of the loons?
Posted by: Indiana Homez at June 10, 2008 2:20 PMThere's places in our correctional institutions where people are guaranteed not to be offended by the ideas of others...ever. It's called solitary confinement.
For those that want the ultimate protection from offensive ideas it's the ultimate in protection from freedom too.
Posted by: Martin B. at June 10, 2008 2:28 PMErsatz Europeanness or Muslim identity? Bret Stephens has some relevant comments in today's Wall Street Journal:
If there is one place where all the people are living for today, it is the European Union. The EU has deliberately set about trying to smother the identities of its 27 member states (including Lithuania) in a set of common laws, common regulations, common ethics, a common approach to problem solving, a common view of the rest of the world. It has sought to suppress the identities of its component parts in the name of a higher identity – Europe – which turns out to be no identity at all.
No surprise, then, that Europe today increasingly finds itself troubled by a Muslim minority within its midst – now perhaps 50 million strong – that draws confidence and growing power from the sureness of its identity. Does Europe, like America, offer a higher identity to which this minority might adapt itself – even die for? It does not.
Instead, it either pretends that no problem exists, or it attacks outward manifestations of identity, like Muslim headscarves, without making any real effort to integrate Muslims into a genuine European identity that means something more than the absence of identity. Meanwhile, frank discussions of the identity issue are pushed to the neo-fascistic fringe.
Warwick: Civilizations die when they no longer have the will to live.
Civilizations die when the rights of death cults--whether Islamofascist or adherents to certain lifestyles whose life spans are greatly reduced by their activities--trump the rights of all other citizens.
I'd say we're getting pretty close to zero-hour.
Posted by: batb at June 10, 2008 3:10 PMIt's ironic that Canadian soldiers are dieing in Afghanistan in order to give Afghnies the right to speak freely, while at home the government of Canada enables HRC's headed by apparatchiki like Barbara Hall to smother the very speech our soldier just died for, abroad.
Canada, we have a problem here!!!
And it's Ottawa!!!
Posted by: Joe Molnar at June 10, 2008 3:58 PMThe rest of the world outside of the Anglosphere and Europe ca be described as "that place we might visit, but wouldn't never, ever want to live." But progressives, miraculously and against all reason continue to wield a talisman, consisting of some vague moral aggregate of the rest of the world, as the noble reference point that we need to somehow elevate ourselves towards. Should really be the other way around, if you think about it, but we've come to accept, as a culture, the notion that international covenants on speech -- which are, btw, not in any way acknowledged, let alone adhered to by the citizens of those other countries -- are the reason that a Canadian bureaucrat of pseudo-Marxist persuasion is entitled tell a free Canadian to shut up.
It would be funny if Canadians weren't so slack-jawed about it. I mean, we should obey Pakistan's directives on what we can and can't say in our own country because.... because.... because....?
Here at home, people we identify as friendly community-minded people -- Lori Andreachuk and Barbara Hall and Ian Fine, for example -- who are the sorts of people lauded by our state broadcaster, are in fact front-line workers for an internationalism which disguises it's communistic basis. Most people -- so far -- don't see them for the pathogens that they are because, by the explicit standards of Trudeaupian Canada, they are so Canadian as to be uber-Canadians. They're more Canadian than the people they silence; they're more Canadian than the rest of us folks.
We haven't said NO to these nice busybodies because for the longest time the only weapons they wielded were nice words about inclusiveness, anti-racism, social justice, multiculturalism, sound social policy, public safety, etc etc. Well, golly, as it turns out, these good words, wielded by the right people, "trump the freedom of speech afforded in the Charter," as the Boisson ruling put it, for the rest of us toothless proles.
We've been collectively saying YES to that enemy for forty years, but there's absolutely no excuse for continuing to do so now. Barbara Hall or Lori Andreachuk, for example, should never, ever have been close to being anywhere near a position where they were empowered to render on behalf of our own government the sort of judgment that would order a pastor to publicly publish a renouncement of his own heartfelt views, and to never again for the rest of his life utter those views, even in private emails, but there you have it -- they're in that position now, and it didn't exactly happen overnight.
Aye. Mark Steyn nailed in short form the all-Canadian attitude that allowed all this to happen: "Better dead than rude."
Whoops, eh?
Posted by: EBD at June 10, 2008 4:06 PMDelegates making demands from a country where three year old girls are sold into marrage where pedopilia is rampant and women and children have no Human Rights hows that for Islamic Supremacy?They have the audacity to demand that Eurabia curtail free speech.
I'm purdy sure Eurabia aka the 5th column of Islam will fold and the government will make Insulting Islam a criminal offense. Germany and England are currently jailing individuals who call some versions of Islam evil, I guess speaking the truth is now a hate crime. Oh that's right that's where the truth is no defense comes in at the HRCs.
I give Canada another year and the sock puppets dream will come into being, it will soon be a hate crime in Canada to speak of Islam in a negative way. We saw it coming and the sock puppets demands to have control of a private company for FREE to spread Islamic Propaganda is only the beginning of the hell they'll unleash on Canada in the name of Tolerance and diversity. The left hate Canadian Culture and history, they are psycotic in their hatred and they'll stop at nothing to turn Canada into a Socialist/marxist hell hole.
The co-founder of CAIR stated that Islam isn't in the west to be equal to other faiths, it's goal is Supremacy over other FAITHS well bravo Political Islamists you won, Eurabia has fallen and Canada is getting ready to cede to the supremacy of Islam vis-a-vis the HRCs across Canada.
Posted by: Rose at June 10, 2008 4:16 PM
this site explain how American and Canadian army kill Muslim in Palastine and Afganistan:
if you see this film and this site you can see
they hit the houses as well
then put music and dance for killing Muslim
in thier houses
since sep 11 how many houses was bomp by nonmuslim
stop the war
this is criminal
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stop the war
do not kill innocent Muslim peopel and dance with it
you bunch of sick people
stop the war
Tarek Fateh pages Awan & Hall:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/06/10/tarek-fateh-islamists-who-have-a-problem-with-free-speech-should-leave.aspx
"So what is the sock puppet complaining about? He has an insatiable appetite for attention and the need to impress the other members of his boy band. How can you cater to the tantrums of a spoiled brat, set up by a puppeteer who chooses to hide behind a burqa while manipulating a naive and guilt-ridden liberal elite that includes Barbara Hall and the three commissars in the B.C. Human Rights Commission?"
Fateh further recommends Awan move off Canadian soil: ""You are free to migrate to Iran or Saudi Arabia... How can we help you?”"
How 'bout Pakistan, tomorrow morning will be fine.
Posted by: Sounder at June 10, 2008 4:34 PM"Pakistan has a helpful suggestion for the West - become more Islamic, and we'll all get along."
Hey, Pakistan. I have an even better suggestion. Go f*** yourself!
Posted by: batb at June 10, 2008 3:10 PM
I'd say we're getting pretty close to zero-hour.
You may be right, but the only way I'll ever be draped in a hijab/burkha is if I'd dead. So if you hear I'm stretched out in my casket wearing one of these symbols of oppression, then zero-hour has passed.
Posted by: sjt at June 10, 2008 5:29 PMI think we should all calm down and take another look at this. Perhaps they have a point, after all. We could start by having a cultural exchange with them. I would suggest we send the Inuit Throat Singers over to the Muslim countries to introduce them to our culture. They, in turn, could send a contingent of camel herders here to raise our awareness of their unique culture.
We have "Little Mosque on the Prairie", so in deference to our culture they could have Al-Jazeera produce a sit-com called "Little Synagogue in the Desert". Hopefully this will encourage both parties to hold hands and sing Kumbaya. The result will be universal harmony
and mutual respect. Even the Yogic Flyers will get on board.
The muslim relationship with the west is essentially an abusive one. It uses the same tactics of bullying, twisted thinking and attempts at control that an abuser uses on his (or her) victim.
First, "No matter how irrationally, or aggressively I behave, it's your fault."
Second, "If only you hadn't done x, I wouldn't have reacted the way I did."
Third, "If only you do x, everything will be alright." (Of course the goal posts keep moving).
Fourth, "If you meet all my demands, I will give you . . . another set of demands."
Fifth, "If you misbehave, it's your fault and I demand an apology. If I misbehave, it's your fault and I demand an apology."
Sixth, "What's yours is mine and what's mine is mine."
The result is a victim who blames her(him)self and twists into ever more contorted shapes in a futile attempt to appease the abuser. There's only one thing an abuser respects/understands: superior force.
Good analogy, DrD. The West is acting exactly like a victim of abuse--and the Islamofascists are behaving exactly like abusers.
So, why is it that the feminists and the chattering classes--very much the champions of victims of all shapes and sizes--can't recognize the clear signs of abuse?
How come they don't blow the whistle on the abusive behaviour, rather than protect the abusers with language like "tolerance," "openness" and "multiculturalism"?
Posted by: batb at June 10, 2008 6:25 PM
Too bad there is not one world leader to stand up and state the truth. That being that if Muslims want others to accept them and to respect their religion, the ball is completely in their court. They simply need to change their behaviour, respect others and their religion. How simple, yet not one leader has the courage to state it, including the American president.
Posted by: Alain at June 10, 2008 6:38 PMHoly cripes,Pakistan just gave an ultimatim to Europe,as Germany did to countries befor the second world war,or in other words ,they just declared WAR on Europe and those duffesses in Europe are too STUPID to realize it!What do they have to do, kill somebody? O,they all ready did that.Silly me.
Posted by: spike 1 at June 10, 2008 6:39 PM"stop the war
do not kill innocent Muslim peopel and dance with it
you bunch of sick people
stop the war"
- the resident muslim
Besides the broadcasts of Muslims throughout the world dancing in the streets in celebration of the 3000 murdered on 9/11, there's this:
150,000 Muslims murdered by other Muslims in Algeria. Iran sends 1,000,000 unarmed Muslim men and boys to their deaths at the front lines of their war with another Muslim country, Iraq. 2,000,000 mostly black Muslims murdered by Arab Muslims in Sudan.
Shall I go on moron?
Posted by: irwin daisy at June 10, 2008 7:45 PMInterestingly, the the Pakistani government wishes to blackmail Denmark (and Europe) with the threat to kill Pakistani Muslims. News article of the attack on the Danish Embassy report that only one foreigner was injured. However two Pakistani policemen were killed.
They really do not believe that we hate them. They well know that we uphold the rights of all human beings. They view their indifference to the life and well being of their fellow citizens as a strength, and our humanitarian convictions as a weakness that they can use against us!
Posted by: Trudy at June 10, 2008 8:09 PM
Any opinions around here on the fact that members of our Canadian military are actively working--and dying--to help establish a stable Islamic state in Afghanistan (and ditto our US counterparts in Iraq)?
Maybe our military heads know something you don't: that it's possible to accommodate both 'Western' democratic values and Islamic religious values within the same political system.
Posted by: QE at June 10, 2008 8:30 PMirwin daisy: If, as you claim, Islam is fundamentally violent, then how can you support the Canadian mission in Afghanistan, the goal of which is to help establish and maintain a stable Islamic Republic of Afghanistan?
Posted by: QE at June 10, 2008 8:34 PMI give Canada another year and the sock puppets dream will come into being, it will soon be a hate crime in Canada to speak of Islam in a negative way.
Posted by: Rose at June 10, 2008 4:16 PM
Rose, it's already a human rights offence. This is why Steyn and Ezra have been charged. What conservatives in Canada need to ask themselves is why Harper not only doesn't care that free speech is under attack in Canada but why Harper's government is supporting those who want to abolish free speech? And why aren't conservative Canadians up in arms. They certainly would be if a Liberal government took the same approach as Harper's government has. I'm embarrassed that I enthusiastically supported the naive PC CPC. Never again.
Posted by: Terry Gain at June 10, 2008 8:54 PMDrD nailed the abuse analogy, let me propose another psych analogy, the Narcissistic Personality Disorder criteria lifted straight out of the DSM IV. Substitute for "a person that" with "a religion that":
-has a grandiose sense of self-importance
-is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
-believes that he or she is "special" and unique
-requires excessive admiration
-has a sense of entitlement
-is interpersonally exploitative
-lacks empathy
-is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
-shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
As dysfunctional Islam rages across the globe, bear in mind that the narcissistic are notorious for meeting criticism with inappropriate rage. And, keep in mind that Islam flourishes in macho male cultures unlikely to ever be changed. One of the reasons that this has gotten so out of hand is that the West has so few adults in charge.
Posted by: penny at June 10, 2008 9:01 PMQE - salvaging the innocent victims of extreme violence - does the Taliban ring a bell with you? - seems a fitting intervention by any decent humanitarian democracy. No one is asking Afghanistan to drop Islam, but, it was required by the US and Canada and other peacekeepers to drop the violence visited upon its citizens.
Answer you question?
Posted by: penny at June 10, 2008 9:08 PMirwin daisy: If, as you claim, Islam is fundamentally violent, then how can you support the Canadian mission in Afghanistan, the goal of which is to help establish and maintain a stable Islamic Republic of Afghanistan?
Posted by: QE at June 10, 2008 8:34 PM
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Because, stupid, we either support the moderates in Muslim countries and encourage them to reform their societies or we disengage and wait for the next attack, after which we will have no choice but to respond in a manner that will make today's death tolls look like a Sunday School picnic.
Or we could just succumb. Is that what you want, lefty?
Is that clear enough for you, lefty?
penny that sounds eerily similar to the librano$
Posted by: kelly at June 10, 2008 9:15 PMTo whom are you directing your statement, haye? If it's at the coalition forces, get a clue. They are not waging war. They, and the Iraqi military, are establishing peace by killing terrorists who are trying to derail the democratically elected government of Iraq.
So haye, are you an Islamist or just a stupid confused leftist who finds this all too complicated?
Posted by: Terry Gain at June 10, 2008 9:44 PM"One day", Joe Smith @ 1:45 p.m.?
We've been there for quite some time!
Posted by: lookout at June 10, 2008 10:07 PMWhy are you here, "haye"? Are we supporting you, paying for your computer so you can attempt to defend the actions of radical Islamists?
Posted by: Liz J at June 10, 2008 10:18 PMTerry Gain :
You & me both. I was there when the Reform party was made. A dream killed, now where left with the leavings. A bland cold plateful of crow. Plus a whiff of hobo stew for a future. You know I actually thought this Country might survive. Time to go! Its plain to me the only thing left is to become owners of our own houses. Now that we have barbarians making our laws with the compliance or complicity of our own morphed conservatives into neo-cons.
Time to become Republics with a real bill of rights with teeth . So iron clad it can't be warped by the totalitarians or bureaucrats. Least of all savages from the 7nth century.
Posted by: Revnant Dream at June 11, 2008 3:47 AMQE,
I don't claim that the Islamic ideology is foundationally violent, it is proven in their doctrine and texts. For example, according to Islam the world is divided into dar al Islam (the house of submission to allah) and dar al Harb (the house of literal war to be conquered by the sword of Islam). You can check their trilogy and their prophets life example for yourself. And how the text based political ideology is directly behind Islamic violence throughout history to the present day.
You'll see there is no "misunderstanding", which is often claimed.
I do not however, blame Muslims, other than those who carry out the violent and political commands contained in the trilogy. They can reform their ideology, or as with any idea, reject it altogether. If they weren't threatened with death, that is.
Posted by: irwin daisy at June 11, 2008 9:28 AM