agreed to that.

Just shut the doors and let them do something useful.

Our democracy is under attack from the politically correct cadre that thinks they are smarter than us.

I'm speechless. I guess that was the point.

Unbelievable!

Yes, "FIRE. THEM. ALL.", but how long is it going to take and who will give back the freedoms, and the money to defend them, to those they've already stripped and who are about to be stripped shortly?

Fast action is required and it's not going to happen, even the Conservative government is gutless on this so far. They know what abuses are going on in those Commie inspired Kangaroo courts, and not a peep.

Cut. Their. Funding.

True that all these commissars' actions cannot be defended, but it is due to our own indifference and complacence that various governments, federal and provincial, succeeded in passing the HR Act and creating these mock tribunals. The commissars only represent the symptom while the problem lies with the very existence of the HR Act and all the HRCs.

Even now with more and more of the scandals coming to light, I am amazed by the lack of interest of so many people I meet. When I raise the subject, the typical response is along the line of - well, I have no interest in politics. It leaves me speechless that they cannot understand this is beyond "politics", for it has to do with the very foundation of freedom and democracy. So unless there is enough public backlash to demand that the HR Act be scrapped along with all the HRCs, I do not see the problem going away no matter what political party is in power and this goes for federal and provincial.

As the saying goes people always get the government they deserve.

Though I think that the Rev's opinion is a big pile of crap. I do agree he has a right to say it.

If his solution was to tell others to act out in violence then I would have an issue.

Where was this message shown? Newspaper, email, church newsletter?

Alain: "I do not see the problem going away no matter what political party is in power and this goes for federal and provincial."

"Evil occurs because good men do nothing." (I have to be PC and explain that "men" in this context is gender non-specific.)
YOU can cancel a subscription to a left-lib publication or complain to the editors /owners about lack of balance. YOU can join your favorite political party and speak out against PC. YOU can write letters to the editor. YOU can phone a talk show. YOU can; YOU can.

The public will follow LEADERS. The MSM will too.

I have just read that the Toronto city council is reconsidering Millers gun club ban. Why? The two largest left-lib newspapers in the country have published articles against it.

It scares the hell out of me when I see that the MSM drives political opinion in this country, but it's a reality. Get involved.

Alain - I think that the media (the nasty communication arm of all gument bolshevicks) is the villain here. I have heard nothing on the msm about this blatant abuse of our constitutional right to 'Life, Liberty and security of person'. People think that HRCs are 'do gooder' thingies. If it were not for Western Standard and the internet I would not know about these festering boils on Canadian's freedom either. We must get rid of the CENTRELIZED, BIASED msm, we must call them on every word they speak/write until the msm are totally discredited then we can rid ourselves of the Puffin/Dipper institutions built for the process of enslaving Canadian citizens.

Propaganda; that is how Lenin enslaved the Russian people. People will squawk if they fear the gulag, so the press gang who enable the transfer of blame to 'others' for all of all the citizen's woes is an absolute necessity to ensure complete control of all citizens by a human hating state. Divide and Conquer.

We have a Prime Minister who is on our side right now; if we fail to re-elect this good man then we are done, IMO. Just imagine what the Dionidites would do....if they ever gained power in Ottawa

It's going to get much worse, these employees seem to think they are some kind of moral gods. Sadly they don't appear to have a moral compass, the silence from our Provincial and Federal Leaders speaks volumns.

When one thinks of the HRCs your suppose to get all glowy and happy and think of butterflys and buttercups, that's not the image that appears in my head. They HRCs adjudacators look more like retarded demons hell bend on reliving the Witch Hunts only it's Christians not witches being persecuted.

Here is what I sent to many MPs and the PM about this travesty. I sent them Ezra's full outline, for his outline is excellent and prefaced it with my own comments:

"I am posting below, the outline by Ezra Levant, from his blog, about the order issued by the Alberta Human Rights Commission. Please note, that this 'ruling' (I hesitate to give such a name to such a travesty of justice) is essentially a violation of Mr. Boission's fundamental Charter Rights, the right of freedom of speech.

Please note:

1. No-one was actually hurt or offended or discriminated against by Rev. Boission's article. A political activist filed the complaint. The activist was ridiculed and harassed FOR FILING THE COMPLAINT. That has nothing to do with Rev. Boission. Yet, the 'judge' ruled that it did. Does this mean that in Canada if one does something malicious and juvenile such as filing a Human Rights Complaint when one is not personally affected and no-one has complained -- that we Canadians are not allowed by our government to actually call such behaviour 'malicious and juvenile'?

2. What is the ruling? That Mr. Boission - and his acquaintances - are not allowed to 'publish' (and that includes email) 'disparaging remarks about gays and homosexuals'. For life. That is outrageous! Who defines 'disparaging'?? And if Mr. Boission actually feels in such a way, both within his religion and his religious rights, and personally, -- then it is his constitutional right to both feel and express these opinions. If he is critical of gays/homosexuals, then it is his right to examine, question and critique them. But - not according to this 'judge'. She has totally removed his Charter Right of freedom of expression and opinion. He is no longer allowed, for life, to express publicly, his opinions. This is happening in Canada?

3. Then, Rev. Boission - and his acquaintances - are prohibited from 'making disparaging remarks' about the activist who brought the complaint! That means - they can't criticize his behaviour in filing a malicious grievance.

4. And, he must provide a written apology for having these opinions! And arrange for them to be published!

WHAT IS GOING ON IN CANADA?? What is happening to our basic fundamental right of freedom of speech and opinion? What is our government going to do about this relentless attack on our rights to critique, dissent, think, analyze, question and debate?? What is our government going to do about this sophistry of political correctness, this ignorance of the role of reason and questions and analysis - and dissent - in human life? What is our government going to do about its own bureaucratic agencies that violate the Charter Rights of Canadian citizens?"

I suggest that ALL of you, ALL of us, write as many MPs as possible. Send them emails. Complain about this violation of our Charter Rights. Complain about this autocratic rule by unaccountable 'authorities' that is stifling free expression in this country. Complain about this intrusion of ONE perspective and its authoritarian insistence that there is only ONE 'right way to think' and that we citizens will be punished, fined, dragged through courts, if we don't comply with their singular perspective.

Write them. Write to blogs.

Regarding publishing and 'broadcasting', out of curiosity, I tried the search function on the on-line version of the BC Statutes and Regulations to see what the actual 'rules' are which Andrew Coyne allegedly transgressed when he 'broadcasted' from the "courtroom".

I searched on camera, photograph, aural, witness, transmit, video and broadcast. 'Photograph' turned up, as an item included in the definition of 'document' but that was it for anything related to courts, Supreme or kangaroo.

Ontario has a reasonably precise prohibition, but it would not apply to Andrew's blogging as he was not making a 'visual or aural representation' of the proceedings. (see the Ontario Courts of Justice Act, section 136).

Does anyone have any idea of what the actual rule *is* in BC?

the order can be this:

ban Mark Styen for at least 2 years in probation of not right about Muslim( Islam), Quran and Mohamad wiht no hate words or reference to other hate word or hate blogs

if he isnot listen they will add the probation up to 5 years

fine is $7000 from Mark Styen and cost of legal fees of human right is $ 25000 from Mclean magazine.
with sorry letter to Muslim commiunity

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he can write aabout Isalm but no hate related but in reality he is better not wrie any thing and write only other topic not muslim topic with hate for two years under control

if he do that they wil arest him.
for at least can go up to two years in Jail.
and ban him for publish any news report for 5 years

for first time they are not going to ban him for all the report writing

do not risk fighting this matter

unless his lawyer can ask differnet remedies

by change his book publish with remove those worde or stop publish his book

** Gunney99 at 2:42 PM says, . .

** It scares the hell out of me when I see that the MSM drives political opinion in this country, but it's a reality. Get involved. **

People can be very much afraid of speaking out about the gay community and child porn as well as Muslim related issues for fear of self incrimination.

Levant asked us to send an Email to the Alta minister. I did choosing the Pastor Boission topic re: HRC.

Ending with; Are we not allowed, in Canada, to express opinions about the growing force of gay power in our society, the safety of children from child porn? = TG

What is truly astounding is how much power the government is prepared to bestow upon a handful of unelected lunatic idealogues who are accountable to no one. The governments of this country had better get their fecal matter together or they might be facing a general insurrection.

Watch Europe say "OK Masters"

http://ezralevant.com/2008/06/pakistan-to-europe-abolish-fre.html

Weren't these Commie Commissions called Human Rights Commissions set up by a Liberal regime back in the mid seventies? Pretty scary stuff and even more concerning that no one in the MSM is even interested in questioning their tactics or the fact they interfere with our freedom of speech GUARANTEE.

Time to bombard Nicholson with demands for action, the only action being to shut them down. At this point it appears they're responsible to only themselves. It's the perfect venue to attract the ideologues of the Left to ply their trade.

Dangerous combination with the Supreme Court,and these Commie Commissions of Commissars, neither being elected or accountable to anyone.

Coming to Canada?:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021321.php

I have a memory of a Khrushchev quote the essence of which was "We don't need tanks, airplanes and missiles, we just need your schools and your press.." How true!

John Luft: I agree with you but I fear it is too late for Canada. The run of the mill Canadian right now is much more worried about what is going to happen to the Hockey Night in Canada theme music than they are about losing their freedom of speech and expression.

We (speaking as Canadians as a whole) have the attention span of a gnat. We get all worried and bothered about something and agitated ...... for about 30 minutes. We allow our governments to abuse us through taxation and regulation and they get away with it because they know we are too fat and lazy to do anything about it. Again, you are right in what you say but insurrection won't happen because we are what we are..... fat, dumb and lazy. I have pretty much given up on Canada.

By the way there was an advertiseent for a new head of the AHRC in the paper the other day.

Guess the salary

$184,000 year.

WOW

So, the Rev. has to pay $5k and say sorry.

What's she going to do if he says "NO"? Jail him? That would make for some good TV eh?

Tax cut. Now please. Biiiiiig tax cut.

I have to wonder if Andreachuk has adopted the same philosophy as Warman with his lawsuit against Kate et al - namely, go for broke.

Warman has taken his petulance to the real justice system, with all its risks, in the hopes that a finding in his favour will give him carte blanche to continue his predations on the innocent.

Andreachuk may be doing the same thing. Issue a ruling and "remedy" so obscene, so outrageous, as to demand either disobedience or appeal, and dare a real court to overrule. She herself would seem to be personally immune to any consequences of having this abortion of a decision overturned, but if it isn't, then again it's open season on anyone she and her fellow Fascists don't like.

This is a cross post from another thread that I made at 10:13 this morning. (batb gave a fine response.)

I've just posted this at Ezra's site:

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gerard, I was thinking exactly the same thing. [The toadies at the HRC will claim that the grammatical error in their removal of crucial evidence from the transcript was just an innocent mistake.] The HRC weasels gerrymander reality to make sure they never lose: so far, they've gotten away with it.

I'm glad to hear that OM-eater's friends react in a favourable way—by being horrified and indignant— to the skulduggery that's going on here. I find that the long and winding road of the HRCs and the "fabulist" aspect of their egregious to criminal behaviour are very difficult to get across in the amount of time most sheeple are willing/able to pay attention. I choose very carefully whom I’ll engage in any discussion of this.

Honestly, Canadians are very good at shooting any messenger who puts ripples in the tidy little ponds that are their lives. And, back to the sheeple, when they’ve all been herded into the fold and the wolves are circling, they’ll be bleating, “How did this happen?”

I’m a Christian—the kind who now keeps my mouth shut in contentious public debate—and I know there is a shepherd the lambs can trust. But most Canadians—and all of our public institutions—long ago banished this voice from their personal lives and the public square. We’re reaping the whirlwind of the secular state we’ve created, which has an entirely different set of gods—all of them ravenous. As kindle says, “Apparently a hundred million dead in the past century on the altar of totalitarian government [they were all secular] wasn't enough. The grinders of freedom have been started up again looking for fresh sacrifice.”

Leonard Cohen says it all in his prescient song, “The Future”: “. . . And now the wheels of heaven stop/ you feel the devil's riding crop/ Get ready for the future:/ it is murder/
Things are going to slide ... /There'll be the breaking of the ancient western code/ Your private life will suddenly explode . . . Get ready for the future:/ it is murder.”

Complacent, ignorant Canadians—a very bad foundation on which to run a democracy—are like lambs to the slaughter. If the HRCs aren’t defanged or, preferably, killed outright, there will be no shortage of sacrificial victims for Canada’s hungry “grinders of freedom”.

___________________

So far, observant Christians, such as Scott Brockie, Chris Kempling, Hugh Owens, and the Rev. Stephen Boisson, have been the main victims of the state jackboots. Until now, most Canadians haven't given a thought to these victims of a gross travesty of justice. I'm very pleased to see that the punishment of Stephen Boisson is horrifying some pretty big movers and shakers. I hope this might lead to some kind of class action on behalf of these and other Canadian Christians, who've been thrown into the arena with the state lions.

P.S. REAL Women, a group of brave, knowlegeable Canadian women, most of whom are Christian, including founder and lawyer, Gwen Landolt--who have been reviled, ridiculed, and marginalized by the chattering classes for the 25 years of their existence--have been right on top of this issue all along. (But, hey, who listens to them?)

Biggest reason why I could not pull the trigger for the Tories this year in the provincial election.

TG; did you read Stephen's post at 4:57. I hope you are going to apply? Are you making over $184K now?

I regularly write letters to my local papers. They are published more often than not. I am more reluctant to phone a talk show but have on occasion. I also write and e-mail my MP's but consider this less productive.

To anyone who is thinking of doing likewise, there are a few rules.
1. Letters: Be brief and do not try to make more than one or two points. Do not quote authority (except to MP's)(but you can refer to it). You are a dumb ass and are not expected to know anything. What you have is an opinion. Read other ed: published letters for reference.
2. Talk shows. Have your thoughts written down so you can refer to them. Do quote authority. Expect to be brief (cut off). Watch the time and get to the point quickly.
3. In all cases be courteous, polite and not too emotional.

So I suppose we have to now quit the UN because these Kangaroo courts are clearly in violation of UN Declaration of Human Rights.

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

So maybe these 'roos are doing Canada a favor after all. Nothing is as corrupt as the UN and if get the boot or just quit we win either way.

Getting booted from the UN, would that mean no more powder blue berets? Or medals?

Gunny 99,

Yeah, I saw that. You know, that*s a job I could probably do. Slow to knee-jerk emotions and quick on careful in-depth analysis, but the catch is, one does require specialized training.

That seems to be the missing quality at the HRC.

I find writing MPs to be quite worthwhile.

Harper*s team responds well to important issues.

Surprisingly though, I am VERY impressed with the careful and diligent response that has come from the Gordon Campbell Government of British Columbia.

To be honest, one has to give credit where credit is due.

Notice to the rest of Canada. There is no similarity of this BC government to the Liberal Party of Canada. . . at all!

Your three points are too true .. agreed. =TG

Ask for money from cyber-space supporters to cover the fines. Definitely don't apologize. Do defy this persecution by making a disparaging remark through the public reading of Romans 1.

We have freedom in Christ and therefore we need not obedient to corrupt laws which run contrary to the Gospel. Revelations 13. Remember, governments have killed hundreds of thousands of Christians over the years because they did not like the Gospel. Don't back down, but press on until these oppressors are exposed for what they are.

See what happens when you give third rate tin pot despots more power than they'd ever thought they'd get their grubby little hands on?

One doesn't come down with vindictive rulings like these without the odd kink in the cable somewhere along the line.

They more overt the little power/ego trips, the sooner the national public revolt to reign them in.

So, a pastor has been ordered by an arm of our government to never again in his life -- EVEN IN PRIVATE EMAILS -- express his own honest opinion, as a pastor, on homosexuality. And he is required to publish a public renunciation of his own views, i.e. he has been ordered by the state to publicly renounce what he actually believes.

These sort of verdicts are an act of violence against this country and a desecration of those who fought and died for it. Who do these clowns think they are? Perhaps they think they're the ruling class, and that they're just setting public policy, but these these p***ies have crossed the line into corporeal violation. It's not a joke.

Unbelievable. I guess the question is, is it possible that Canadians are now so sufficiently brainwashed by 40 years of Trudeaupian nanny-state platitudes that they won't be alarmed, and won't revolt against, these communist-style show-trial atrocities?

Ian Fine's little speech on CPAC will be significant -- historic -- ten years from now. What will it say to us then, though? Will we listen and look in disbelief, and have a sense that we lucked through a near miss, that we almost lost our country, or will his appalling, subducted eeliness be no longer seen that way, so that his little speech will merely be a reasonable reiteration of what will then be common wisdom -- that people like him get to enforce international covenants against freeborn Canadian citizens?

Richard made a great video of this, but watch the original. Ezra was terrific, and Keith Martin speaks, but specifically, watch what are in effect Ian Fine's justifications, in his maybe six or eight minute speech, for the appalling events we've been witnessing:

http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?dsp=template&act=view3&pagetype=vod&lang=e&clipID=1593

This is why I love visiting the States. Going to visit there is like Canada used to be before neo-Marxism became the National religion under Trudeau & his latter imps of stasis. Lots of folks have done much. For those who haven’t this is serious people. For once Canadians have to really DO something or where headed in the same direction as Zimbabwe. Think not, just look at the infrastructure around you. This is no time to be stoic or respectful. This is about your Individual rights as a human being. Not a fairy tale. Much blood was mixed in mud for your sweet spot. I tell you right now it wont be the government helping us if they would or could. After Harpers memo it appears they don't at the least or are hostile to change. It will be individual Canadians moving together in one tide to overrule this sewage of a plutocracy calling itself an organ of justice. Time we took back our rights as free Men & Women. Let them know who really runs the Nation. If we prevaricate than where lost. For we will be silenced , than the totalitarians have gained victory. Lights out.

Just my opinion

I was hoping that the AB gov't would just let the head position of HRC pass without being filled - on the way to doing some serious reforming, you know.

At $184K, perhaps even the Calgary alderman who has been a sitting HRC panelist (now in her second appointment) might even be considered. And the show would go on for sure.

This ALberta thingy against the Pastor is clearly a political shut-up-and-smack-down by the elite running the current socialist state against its enemies ... those who don't follow along or agree.

Aux armes, amis!!! 'faut battre.

SHUT.THESE.PLACES.DOWN.

Seriously, I want to do a CHRC complaint against the Koran. This'll cost money.

Rose @305 pm. No, these are simple bureaucrats, doing what they have been told to do. See the "Public Safety Committee": of the French Revolution bloodbath.

During the time when Saddam was alive; an american reporter 'live' on camera was seen approaching two or three men sitting in a cafe with their radios.
Reporter asked "what are you listening too"
The men replied " listening to what is going on in the outside world"
Reporter asked "don't you have a media here; why don't you ask them"?
The men replied " we can't, they are SADDAMS' MEDIA, that is why we listen to the radio for other news.

SADDAM'S MEDIA REMINDS ME OF THE CANADIAN MSM.

CBC and MSM are the liberals' media; asking them questions about the prime minister and his accomplishments which he had accomplished so far for the people is not seen broadcast revealed told nor mention positively only negatives by the MSM.

Saddam had an army and police and media to protect him.
The liberal party have the MSM to protect them.

Let's face it, our freedom of religion and speech is going down and it started with the liberal party of canadia.

The afghan people and iraqi people for years could not express their feelings and speech they were threatened ordered or else face death. LOOK AT THEM NOW, they are emerging into the light. while we are closing ours.

We will never know the true meaning of Freedom until we actually lose it. then and only then we will realize that the GIFT OF FREEDOM we had; we allowed it to be taken from us .

This is Canada not some backwood country fighting for life. we have everything we want yet we complain for the smallest nonsense. We seem not to care nor are we interested that the value of life, free speech, religion, respect is slipping away.

The prime minister is a small party and as you can see for yourself is treated worse; he needs our help.

NO DAM LIBERAL NDP AND THEIR MSM ARE GOING TO SURRENDER OUR LIVES COUNTRY TO TERRORISTS COMMUNISM.

CANADA IS THE LAND OF THE FREE AND WITH GOD'S HELP, WE FIGHT FOR HER AS OUR TROOPS DO DAILY.
God Bless CANADA AND ALL TROOPS.

RW at 7.10 PM

It doesn't cost any money to file a complaint with the CHRC. If your complaint is accepted, my understanding is, they have legal help to ease your way through the hoops.

but it may cost you... your dignity.

HRCs
How much headway is being made in this battle? I’m heartened when I visit my favourite blogs, and to a small extent when reading the latest coverage in some of the MSM. However, upon raising the subject at recent social gatherings, I’m sad to report that no one, repeat no one, had any knowledge of this issue. Even while acknowledging that I and my social circle may not be on the high end of the intellectual [brain] food chain, this discovery was very disheartening. As passionate as I may be about the principles involved, if only a small enlightened faction is interested, then I must surmise that we’ve lost already.

I am not going to give up, but I’m desperately hoping that someone can elucidate for me how the message can be conveyed effectively to ordinary people - people who don’t blog for instance. If this is truly a watershed issue, then where is the movement, who are the leaders? Ezra is certainly providing at least an iconic leadership role, but I’m afraid he’s only known to an enlightened few. Is the blogosphere actually able to project beyond talk amongst the enlightened folks? Or…perhaps the subject is really not that important anyway but merely another reader tip.

"Biggest reason why I could not pull the trigger for the Tories this year in the provincial election."

Ugh. THis is about the 1,000th time I've read this remark on any of dozens of issues. It's crap, and always will be. If you are telling the truth, thanks a bunch. The leftist politicians you help elect really make things much better and help forward those issues so dear to you. And yes, that's sarcasm.

glasnost writes, "Or…perhaps the subject [HRC totalitarianism] is really not that important anyway but merely another reader tip."

My earlier post expresses the same disillusionment about what "just folks" seem to know--and want to know--about this crucial issue. But I'd never question the importance of the issue because most people don't/don't care to know.

glasnost, I'm with you all the way, until your last sentence. Unless I've misunderstood you in some way, your doubts about the importance of this issue seem to be a non sequitur.

(Yes, this is truly a watershed issue. Just because lots of ignorant Canadians are unaware that it is doesn't change the FACT that it is. E.g., Even if there's no human ear to hear it, a tree falling in the forest makes a huge sound.)

As to how to get the message out: that's definitely a problem. Read my comments about sheeple: Canadians, even ones I love, are trained to go with the flock. Thinking outside the box, especially if it's at all unpleasant, just isn't the "Canadian way". Pity.

"Regarding publishing and 'broadcasting', out of curiosity, I tried the search function on the on-line version of the BC Statutes and Regulations to see what the actual 'rules' are which Andrew Coyne allegedly transgressed when he 'broadcasted' from the "courtroom"."

You won't find anything because there wasn't a rule-like everything else in the HRC they make up the rules as they go along.That is WHY it took until Friday for them to make that decision.

I was at the hearing and it was the most unprofessional procedure I have ever seem.As Steyn said, they couldn't even get the clock to give the right time.

And TG.

I don't know who you listened to from the Campbell govt. but I heard the Attorney General, Wally Opal and we was no better that the HRC. Its also the goverment that just passed a gag law for the next election. Oh, and don't forget Campbell is also trying to look good to the rest of the world by being first jurisdiction in NA to introduce a carbon tax. But it seems to be backfiring on him. Before they could even implement the 4 cents/litre tax July 1st, the cost of gasoline has shot up 30-40 cents/litre. in the meantime.

Horny Toad

The times require Stephen Harper to speak to the nation about this outrage.

The MSM loves to quote the untrue statistic that 10% of the population is homosexual. When you see this written or spoken, speak out yourself.

These courts would not be seen as a violation of the "UN Declaration of Human Rights", since leftists will redefine what the rights mean in order to suit their views. They will say that the right to be free from being offended (ie hate) is what the UN rights are all about. They will even be perplexed that anyone else will view that as hypocrisy.

When dealing with secular leftist fundamentalists (yes, non-religious people can think like fundamentalists) remember that they will believe that anyone who does not agree with their fundamentals as being mentally ill, evil or both. What frightens me most is that we saw in Europe how such thinking led to the murdering of priests and nuns (Spain). While some might think me paranoid, I believe that one day, unless this madness is stopped, we will see Christian leaders murdered by leftists secularists in North America. Just listen to their rhetoric and its demonizing tone. We are wrong, they are right and we must be made to thinking correctly. Of course we won't capitulate to these thought police, so they will feel justified in moving to the next phase.

Hey, if you think I'm paranoid, consider the denial that existed in the 1930's. Do you really think human nature has changed in 80 years?

The elected members of government do not have the intestinal fortitude to act. It is also the senior civil servants who are in fact running the show and not the people we elected. Most of the civl service subscribe to the far-left idealisms so it is not in their interest to get rid of the HRC or any of the other idiotic trends.

So unless we are willing to step up and do something about the slow erosion of our freedom it is only going to get worse. Complaining and writing letters to the editor or your MP/MLA is not going to cut it.

The problem with us on the right is that we have jobs, businesses, bills to pay, families to raise and various other responsibilities. Getting arrested destroyes our ability to meet our obligations. Thus we have a high price to pay.

The looney left is very well aware and exploit us to maximum extent possible. They don't care if they spend time in jail for their looney causes because they have yet to pay any price. Being the parasites that they are, they continue to live off the system, which is funded by our hard work.

By the time we are to the point that the price to keep our freedom is reduced to where we think we can afford it, it will be too late. So, are we willing to step up and when?

Hello Concerned Canadian,
I’m glad you’re with me until my last sentence, which was meant to be somewhat rhetorical anyway. To put the record straight, I have no doubt whatsoever about the importance to me and to you of this issue. I’m simply musing about what more we could do to further our cause. Is it enough to blog about the ignorant Canadian sheeple who don’t see it our way? If this is a defining moment in Canadian history, what part are you as a Concerned Canadian playing? If your answer is “I’m blogging”, then you are only reaching the enlightened few who already agree with you.
My core question remains: is this another readers tip, or are the readers prepared to move beyond social commentary, and into coordinated action to get the word out and actually impel a change in our country’s course. If not, then what separates us from the sheeple?

FTA

the issue of zealots plus bad law in the hrc's will not be resolved this year - perhaps not even resolved next year - but it will be resolved because it's way too big to just go away. breathe in a little optimism - changing law is a long and complicated process. it's over (fait accomplis) for section 13.1 - it doesn't stand a chance in the light of day - all that's left is the shouting.

re: hate/free speech - one could say that the fight for canada's guaranteed charter rights has only recently begun in earnest. even if it takes 4 years to get through to the supreme court because the government of the day won't act - it will get there - and the bad law will be rescinded.

the only bad news i can imagine is that they will not be fired - just transferred to some other useless bureaucracy. but that doesn't mean i don't feel good whenever i see FIRE. THEM. ALL.

glasnost, thanks for your response. I appreciate it and your question is a good one.

I think that to understand the truth, and to speak it when one can, may, sometimes, be the most we can do. In the kind of society we live in--secular and very repressive, re non politically correct opinion--practically, our options are limited. As Mike T points out, obligations, for many of us, preclude being recklessly confrontational: literally, for some of us, our livelihoods would be at stake if we spoke out on certain topics in a public way. (It didn't used to be that way.) And, to what end, when the MSM either ignores or misrepresents us?

The best we can do, I believe, is to live our beliefs within our families and communities, as I said, speaking the truth when we can.

One might think of St Thomas More: he did not change the political machinations of Henry VIII. But, as he could, he stood for the truth with integrity. That's not so bad!

Personally, I feel strong in my beliefs and my understanding of the truth and how it impacts the important things in life. This helps me live my daily life with purpose: I believe I influence people and perhaps point some to the truth by being true to myself and my faith. Who knows what the result will be? Not knowing doesn't negate the attempt. (The tree falling in the forest . . . )

I read the Boisson letter, and while I don't agree with his views, I will defend his right to them. I am more offended that Lund complained and with Andreachuk's "penalty" decision.

By the way, I'm gay, but I have very little to no use for the HRC's in their current form. Ezra is right, Fire. Them. All.

Crotch Rocket, thanks for weighing in here. I appreciate your comments.

Kate,
it's a blessing that you would publish this. Thank you.

F. T. A. ... Fire. Them. All.

Fumigate. The. Act.
Facilitate. Their. Abolition.
Feck. The. Agitprop.
Foil. Their. Ambitions.
Failing. Their. Antecedents.
Falsify. Those. Actions.
Fascism. Then. Anarchy.
Fascists. There. Abound.
Feckless. To. A”T”
Flog. Their. Asses.
Fanatics!!! To. Arms.
Foil. Their. Ambitions.
Festers. ‘Til. Ablation.
Fulminate. Then. Abrogate
Frustrate. Their Ambitions.
Flagrant. Tribunal. Abuse.
Free. The. Abused.
Forebears. Truly. Aghast.
Foster. True. Alternatives.
Flagellate. Those. Abusers.
Follow. The. Abuse.
Freedom? That’s. American!
Fumigate. Their Actions.
Fraudulence. Their. Ascendency.

(Too. Much. Time.)
Fill your boots.

Crotch Rocket,
Thank you for your input.

"So, the Rev. has to pay $5k and say sorry.

What's she going to do if he says "NO"? Jail him? That would make for some good TV eh?"

The fugly toad probably jails him, making him a political prisoner, Amnesty International writes letters on his behalf, and Freedom House changes Canada's rating to "Not Free".

I'm a straight white non-religious male; I read the letter, and I think it's the usual combination of truth, half-truth and nonsense. But he still has the right to say it.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
CS Lewis

Jim Smith @ 6:37

I agree. I don't know the Bible well enough to quote it, but I know there are many anti-gay / homosexual passages in it. If this Pastor were to stand up and start quoting those verses in any forum - his Parish, a soapbox in a public park, or a billboard - without any explanation (that can be used against him), would the HRC dare to shut him up for expressing his constitutional rights?

I'm afraid they will try, because the HRCs have already implied that they can disregard the Constitution.

I know I'm late to the party (always am, I have a life) but you all seem to be missing the supreme irony to this whole situation. Let me explain.

Here's the "code" in question:

Discrimination Re: Publications, Notices
3(1) - No person shall publish, issue or display or cause to be published, issued or displayed before the public any statement, publication, notice, sign, symbol, emblem or other representation that
(a) Indicates discrimination or an intention to discriminate against a person or a class of persons, or
(b) Is likely to expose a person or a class of persons to hatred or contempt
because of the race, religious beliefs, color, gender, physical disability, mental
disability, age, ancestry, place of origin, marital status, source of income or family
status of that person or class of persons.
(2) - Nothing in this Section shall be deemed to interfere with the free expression of opinion on any subject.

(I cut and pasted this from Samizdata, so if I'm wrong, please, please, correct me. I don't like egg as a concealer, no matter how red my face is...)

Here's my sense of irony: Aren't these commissions committing a violation of the same code by publishing ANY decree or opinion?

As a matter of battle, and it is battle by the way, any opinion rendered by these "commissions" could be reverted and declared an act of hate speech itself. Take every single one to the CHRC and choke them to death with their own business. Expensive? You bet! Better yet, introduce a "loser pays" bill in Parliament, and really get some traction.

Just thinking out loud.

And where's Monsieur Separatiste, still in the library I presume?

Some light background music we can listen to as we peruse and digest Lori Andreachuk's "order":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpKRd2xQeq8

I know how to get attention - fight the HRC using the smoking bans template. Smokers were initially told that the ban would only apply to work places and family restaurants....now they arrest people smoking in their own cars!

Second hand smoke (from tobacco) is harmless. That was junk science just like the Global Warming 'science'. I was once given a smoking ticket but I would not give the silly servant my name. I told him (the silly servant) to take me to the jailhouse because I refused to give my name or the money. He declined to put me in the jailhouse. He told me to put out the smoke and go home. I finished my smoke and stayed right where I was; he walked away...coward.

If the public started DEMANDING rights for tobacco smokers it would start the ball rolling ..and it would be unstoppable. Rights regained are much sweeter. Note the attitude of the Germany to the idea of a smoking ban - the people are out in the streets - why? because Hitler banned smoking in Germany in the 1930s. The German people don't want to repeat that segment of history, it is not because they all smoke.

The right to smoke tobacco, like the right to state one's opinion, to drive a car, to read a book....all rights must be respected or no right will have any value at all.

Seppo Lehto in Finland is not normal to me

some people like them or the guy in movie draw Mohamad in picture of pig I think he has mentaly disablity

who we can blame may be media to made people belvie all Muslim are plan to kill them then we must hate them all
the medai must change direction and thier pen

I am 100% sure the guy not need 2 year in jail he need to get a lawyer in jail and ask for
mental evaluation if doctory and pschyteric think he ie not normal they will send him under mental problmes to fix his brain

as Muslim think so many people who drink alcohol alot or in drugs are later they will get brain damage when they get older

they guy is not normal

first need to normal the society
then understand not everybody talk is funy

public interest we can not let people in pbulic say any thing they want thatisnot interest of public that is why police will arrest them under controlof long period but for the guy I think he need mental fix his brain if doctor can prescrive they can reduce his sentence lower or send him to special hostpial to fix him

all wars in world and all hate start from US war with middle east and this is brain wash normal simple people who can not anlayse the problems

but on other hand this kind of hate is danager these kind of hate can damage socityr in very bad way

they must educate and stop people think what US medail liekthem to think

people should judge people by materials facts not fiction and cartoon movies all is false

there is way he can reduce his sentence but he must get change

no body has right in public to say anything they want
I think Kathy Sheidle is mentally ill and under druge as well she is not normal and not write not normal people

you can not have absolute hate to one person
this is sin in Catholic and all religious can fight for people who hate other with no reason

look are Oklahama city the guy was German American and christian who killed and blow up all buidling

why people think criminal mind is related to relgion those group come and say it

criminal mind and study of them need to review by lot of reaserch what cause people hate some one who like to disapper

because bulyes can not find solution for their problmes just stick to target to destroy taht target
while today probles in socity is not Muslim religion
is WAR can creast hate not relgion of them
thos guy in finland is danger taht is why they put him in 2 year and 7 month in jail
but I am 100% sure he did nothave good frind orlaywer to show him differnet way
look at freedom in US what you gain over that
only see war of US with other people
stop the war let people like each other

Mark J*s music selection for a renewed Canada could be most fitting If appointed HRC and there shadow government backers continue to trample our freedoms of expression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpKRd2xQeq8

Along with the contest for a new Hockey theme, some Canadian writer will make a bundle with English lyrics to that rousing anthem with the Lenninist twist.

Never happen though.

Kate*s place here provides the focus, the sort of family meeting place from which we give support and backing to the Levants, Steyns, Coynes, Macleans and so help the break-through to the MSM like CTV, CBC and various print media.
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Glasnost at 8:55 PM asks, . .

** My core question remains: is this another readers tip, or are the readers prepared to move beyond social commentary, and into coordinated action to get the word out and actually impel a change in our country’s course. If not, then what separates us from the sheeple? **
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Letters and Email to MPs and every breakout into the MSM, news and talk shows lifts us out of the sheeple class. = TG

the only solution for Mark Styen

on Monday before final result he must let his lawyer talk to other pary in some kind of settlement way

1) wrie he sorry letter to Muslim saying I did not plan intenationaly to hurt anybody I just tried to critisie some idea but write nice sorry letter to judge adn Muslim ithelp him

2) he agree to pay some small fine $ 6000
and pay legal fees of HRC by Mclean magaine at least another $ 15000

3) Mark Styen agree do not wirte for 2 years in topic of Islam and after that peirod he only talk with no word can translate to hate crime
but he able to write in other issue but not about Muslim

4) Mclean Magazine agree to pay some damage to plaintiff in settlement

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do not fight or let they give final verdict it become worset

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media must change/ criminal court should focus in mental health and hate crime prevention to prevent crime all crime start from hate speech first them they turn viloance/ civil court find job area people owrk in Europe most people in Eurpe are lazy andnot work used welfare money after some times they are talking mentally ill they need creat job and school and education in Europe and Canada / mad country balance internally not let one county poor n\and one rich by boterthe poor by world trade center replace the old one with new direcion/ let people talk theory of religion and notstart communication with no bad mouting/ culture jsut stay from each otehr if notlike each otherhuman right can help here to prevent this or let people talk to each other/ we ned good govement to balance all and goodpolitician who care and not use power for entertainment and stop the war in world by notlet any body has gun except policeby permision.
never hate Muslim they are good people hate criminal people who do crime only we are with you too. do not use one stick to hit Muslim with all wronge media of waht you think is not what Mudlim think what you think is what media like you think about Muslim jsut stop war it helps

Dear "haye",

I'll alert the media about your brilliant advice for Mark Steyn. I'm sure he'll follow it pronto.

In the mean time, would it be too much to ask that you get a spell checker and get a new keyboard that has a working comma key?

I too have advice for Mark Steyn.

1. Tell them to pound sand. These maniacs are
just that, self agrandizing maniacs.

2. Charge the sock puppets with Frivolous Suit
charges.
3. Sue the HRC for expenses.

4. Show Canada what Muslims are, nothing more
and nothing less.

5. Keep up the good work.

Signed: Sick and tired of this Muslim/HRC crap.

Haye,

Now I understand why extremist, [not moderate Muslims], insist on *death to the infidels*.

No way would we free *Infidels* agree to your impossible dimminitudeneous demands while living and breathing. = TG

Shame on me Haye,

I should NOT have responded at all. That*s why Steyn and Levant are respected writers, [They would have ignored your lack of logic], and I remain a lowly commenter. This is not an apology, you understand, just regret.= TG

that's right haye all you need is a grovelling apology and some jizya from the infidels. Unfortunately appeasement is a sign of weakness to the Mohammedan crowd, so that's not really a viable option. Nobody here "hates Muslims", we hate being told what we can or cannot read or say, I don't care who the hell you think you are.

methinks haye's a fraud. From the small amount of this person's posts I bother to read—my eyes glaze over when I realize I'll be knee deep in drivel—I've seen all kinds of writing in my day and the inconsistencies here look mighty phoney to me.

Anyway, it's a free country and haye has a right to his/her opinion. Interesting, though, if this person really is Muslim, that this newcomer, who can't even express him/herself in coherent English has, it seems, more rights than the rest of us to say whatever he/she wants: can one imagine this person ever having to face a HRT? What a travesty.

And I guess what I've written would be considered hate speech by the likes of Barbara Hall and Khurrum Awan, who both spoke—the juvenile and bullying Mr. Awan, with threats to people like SDAers, that is, ordinary, law abiding Canadians—at a conference of the Canadian Arab Federation. (“Muslims told to demand equal voice in media” by Joseph Brean, National Post, p. 1)

I’ve barely started the day and my blood’s boiling! Unfortunately, with influential lawyers like Hall and Awan on the scene, we know that the ranks of our judges are also riddled with similar, pea-brained tryants. Poor us.

"why people think criminal mind is related to relgion those group come and say it

criminal mind and study of them need to review by lot of reaserch what cause people hate some one who like to disapper"

Couldn't agree more. 70% of the prison population in Spain is Muslim. 60% in France. Similar percentages throughout Europe.

An estimated 270 million murdered by adherents of Islam, including 80 million Hindus. Countless cultures and cultural artifacts destroyed.

"Jihad destroyed a Christian Middle East and a Christian North Africa. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the Hindu to be the victims of jihad. The history of political Islam is the destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa. Half of Christianity was lost. Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part of Europe (part of the Roman Empire). Around 60 million Christians were slaughtered during the jihadic conquest. Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus killed. The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks descended from Alexander the Great's army in what is now Afghanistan. Jihad destroyed all of Buddhism along the silk route. About 10 million Buddhists died. The conquest of Buddhism is the practical result of pacifism. Zoroastrianism was eliminated from Persia. The Jews became permanent dhimmis throughout Islam. In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400 years of jihad. Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school." -- Jamie Glazov

It all starts with the Qur'an.

These are the elements that define hate speech:
• Drawing a distinction between one’s own identity group and those outside it
• Moral comparison based on this distinction
• Devaluation or dehumanization of other groups and the insistence of personal superiority
• The advocating of different standards of treatment based on identity group membership
• A call to violence against members of other groups

The Qur’an qualifies as hate speech on each count (despite the best intentions of many Muslims, like you Haye).

Simply put, the Quran, Hadith and Sira command and reward violence, slavery, rape and murder against Non-Muslims and this is historical proven throughout history right up to the present from reams of factual data.

Haye,

Your Quran and Prophet will have their day in court.

Haye:
"the only solution for Mark Styen {sic}: ... bla bla bla"

1) Good luck with that. You think Steyn would self-censor? I think such an order would only make him more vocal. We're talking scorched freaking earth here.
2) Hate crime = crimethink

I don't care whether I agree with what he says. Or the good pastor in Alberta. This is about much more than that; this is about our right (yours and mine) to speak freely, no matter how stupid (and believe me, I can be very stupid from time to time.) If you impose sanctions on Steyn, then theoretically speech sanctions could be imposed on anybody. That's all well and good for you if you don't agree with what they have to say, but then what's the point? No original ideas, no original thought, no creativity, and we all become robots. NOT IN THIS LIFETIME!

I can't agree more: FIRE. THEM. ALL.

Time to get Mr. Bruinooge on the phone. Sorry Rod, no more donations to you till this is sorted out. Kate and Kathy and Ezra et al. will see more instead.

Nobody here "hates Muslims", we hate being told what we can or cannot read or say, I don't care who the hell you think you are.

Unfortunaly you can go to your shower and scream laugh and danceand talk to yourself in mirror and say what you can say adn bring your book and read but you can not publish hate crime and you can not say in public waht you like to hurn other group this is the law not l ike it leave Canada go to leave in North pool may nobody there to bother you

public law is like trafic law red green and yellow parking ticket nobody love those law but you msut obeyit otehrwise if you are not obey you go to car accident if you pas red light when no police no camera to cathgt you once twice in you contineu I heard some group had trafic ticket up to 100000 dollar of not follow the rules people who are not follow the trafic ticket are mostly police watdh them since they are menaly ill and if notkill some one may kill them in car accident the same rule of thumb if you are not isten to public law whcih provide all mutlitculture interest not only you hten you get caght and need putmoney for lawyer and put tiem to defend and then obey the law
unfortunaly you can talk not every think you like in public but betteween your freid in your privte room you can as so many racist has privte club in order to talk in priviet not otehr can hear them but you can not talk in public I hate Muslim and I want to leave Canada if you do welcome HRC go and face them
is not onlyMuslim can be black or can be talk against Jewish in bad as well in public in hate you also can get arrested
you are nto the judge then do not tryto be one
you are writer know yourlimit

I recommaned all blogs and new editor has lawyer to check their paper before publish it if they lieknot get sued or arrested lawyer knwo the law or constitutin law check orhave lawyer handy to see your blog post before posting can resolve the problms if you do not know your limit
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Couldn't agree more. 70% of the prison population in Spain is Muslim. 60% in France. Similar percentages throughout Europe.

are you telling me Muslim kill more htan world war I and II wich started from christian against other religion come on give me a break do not lie to public thos statatice is wrong is only bunch of bolognies do not lie to get you ok from public you can nto lie to public as too many politicn did that but they lost because nobody trust lawyers and nobody trust politicna sicne they themselve lie so much and ask us to keep all thing legal rights do not lie at any point to win since these can be used in court oflaw one day

I recommanded peopel cut druge all volience movie and who teach them when you get angy htis is click of bottom you cankill hteperson No in realit cutthe viloance in eveyr where in movie in game in report and so many thing
try to see the criminal and crime some ting serious this is not game that bunch of drunk addict or drug dleare talk abot it
cut the adulty , druge and alcohol and cigar and cut the viloance and teachnot to lie and instead educated people hwo to tlak and communicate without hurt others
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"why people think criminal mind is related to relgion those group come and say it"

if we say Hitler is Christian and Sadam is Muslim and Barak is Jewish and all three kill so many innocent include very good innoecent Muslim , jewish and Christina was killed because of their act look at history channel

you will see when we have international criminal mind such as above name and they have good spokemen such as Hitler was good spokeman or Sadam or Barak or recent Jeiwh paralment in Isreal htey are talk nice and people attract them
but when you listen you will see under skin of I like you Jewish I am jewish let kill Muslim
or Samda said I am Muslim let kill chrisitna or I am Hitler let kill Jewish
is nothing execpt dead crime is hate under skin
abolute mental ill hate
tehy hate human and when you hate people for your enjoyment this is criminal mind

they are not jewish, Muslim , or Christian they only are group of criminal international mind
if criminal court can handle smal crime
we need bigger origination to put all prime minster one day in court if they are killing people for happines of a group

now a few group made false happines I love to talk about Muslim No you can not talk about Muslim
you can tak about any criminal you can not attached theire relgiion to give weapn to kill them this is hate crime
you can not talk and if some one is innocent you labele them you are guilty you must die this is criminal mind come from pen of hate crime and this must stop it you are brain wash

why you this Ezra guy not tlak about Jewihs since he is jewish then he got paid to wrote and get fund to wrote in agaisn Muslim he can not do that do
the same idea Hilter said I hate jewish let kill htem all are you jewish go to buring tank and seat to die taht is crime
in the same mercy of god you can not seat and act like the judge for anybody else lets court handle who is criminal who is not
you only are writer then your responsibilty to write in perfect with suppoert any part

most famous court reporters or big editorial are the group go to every where and not support one over otehrs
how do you know Mark Styen is not guilty
you did not go to his trial government may have some thing agisnt him or he may be innoecnet
let court finish the job and based on material fact we can judge person guilty or innocent
you do not need and force to some one must get fre if he is destroy human right by pen of human right for agisnt one gruop and favor of otehrs

be cool and let firs cour finish then you can debate you before trial made Mulsim guilty that is not judge are paid in this country jduge are pid to listen patiently for both side and noto favor of one better than others means based of law and based on material if some one get guilty must pay pentliy that is all to it. but stop criminla mind wich is fire come from hate crime speech first.

when I saw Oklahama city I terified when I saw sep 11 I could not sleep I notice so many hate and couution exist in US and US must change their policy and poltiican and even theri form of poltician thier method fail in so many way since they talk good in us to bohte otehrs and this is cause so many hate agaisnt Americna but in fairness good inocent american shold not get victim for thier poltician wrong deciton this is revenge not justice in justice you can be soludre if you go to reveng you are soldure if you stop people who liek to kill otehrs
when I saw Muslim dieing for no reason I try to speak up I wake you up may make you sick since nobody talk to nonMuslim and most muslim think these group like Finaladn man is brain washand ill but study and research ned to done and find the some border to control befoe it is too late
In Islam is onething say people waht wrong with you to theri face nto in their back I noticed in this bloga all hate Muslim I donot talk in your back I am talking in your face
do not ever talk about Islam, Muslim nd Qurana nd Moahamd are bad and fight Muslim this will end up very bad hate crime as go to yoru library and see history andthis method isnto work findnew method to enjoy your life at the end of day when you can enjoy your life easier why you botehr other to hate you for it. stop war and stop bothering good Muslim as we said you are not jduge we have enoguhg judge in Canda are trained and get paid to handle this crime
if you act illegal you will ask to answer too
then simply don't freedom has limit if you go above it that is viloacne and hate crime
who know may be Mark Styen become free if he convice by law he did not or say or write bad in viloacne of law I said some point in order he not get arrested to say something prepaer may work I do not know detail of his court andnot intersted to know about him we saw worth than Mark Styne he is only target since Mclean is bigmagazineshoudl not publish things liek that if Mark Styen was regulare bulger maynot cme to this stage
when you are judge you can not come and say F work in your court room
when you are teacher you can say B word to your student if htey bother you
the same repsece big medai like Mclean cna not publish all garbaege about Msulim this is illegla they knwo this is illegal they have big lawyer in Mclean can help them they re not liek bloger not kow the all laws all Mclean must go under legal deparment befoer publish the articlas that is whygoverment try to made pointto prevent hate crime punish one to get lesston to otehrs for poltiical of it

this is more politically right if you see red yellow andgreen ligt of trafic ticke in big picture if you only love Mark Styen is differen stoty I am sorry for htem he is in this position buthe must come out of this soon nand step back of this title of talk Muslim for sometime
otherwise If I was mother of Mark styen not let media let my son go go go Mark he will go to trouble ifhe insist this mattter he msust finsihs it sooner is better for his carrer if he likes to have one
on other hand as you can not handle meand hate me the same thing Muslim can not handle yourpen and your writieng and becoem mad of you in the same degree they do ot talk bad about group talk about person who did bad
44444444
say Mr. ahamad..... al maham alibab dog mad is bad
do not say Muslim are bad change the subjet to narrow doenw why you think this alibaba is bad
did you see alibaba cartoon with saudier soldure of him
american came to desert to have army there and fight arab in their land to win teh war that is not funny at all

Hey Haye, if we refuse to convert to Islam does this mean as a Muslim you have the right to kill us ?
,

"If anybody should leave his religion, kill him."

"I have been made victorious through terror."

"War is deception."

"Paradise lies under the shadow of swords."

"The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him"

- Mohammad

These quotes are from your texts. This is your mass murdering, brigand prophet. This is who you are commanded to follow. Any other attempts at moral equivalence is a lie.

Are you a liar, Haye?

Thank-you for that quote Irwin Daisy. About sums it up IMO.

fire them all. i have another solution. it involves the people of this country taking back all freedoms. if that means an armed march on ottawa then do it. this is bullshit. no one should ever appear before an hrc for anything. if it cannot be addressed in a court of law then it is not actionable. f--k them all.

Ask for political asylum in the States. That would look real good in the media.

I'm gay too and in favor of total free speech. Nothing fazes me, nothing, and I could care less if the haters spew their bile at me. Let's keep arguing! It's everyone's country!

hey haye get a life. You're making yourself a laughing stock because well what you say is silly and nonsensical and very hard to understand for the most part.

I think this can be law of Islam

if you do not change to Islam Muslim are not botehr now
if you do change Muslim to become christian or Jewish or hindo is big sin calle it 'Mortad'

Mortad is like Kafer can in law of Islam get death penality in court of criminal in Muslim countries but usualy notall counties are do that
may 1 out of billion muslim when they are muslim tur becom christian

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when teh world need to become ended we faced small amount of real Muslim they may say they are Muslim but thye are act like Kafir or Monafeq meand two faces

when real muslim are reduced and Jesis will back with Muslim leader to change the world that Muslim belive if that tiem when Jesis back he will ask all become Muslim if not then there is war in end of worl ended
I am not scholar know all detail

then we have hell or heaven

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regard to lesbian and gay they can two similare sex live an have all the fun but not have sex together

all lesbian and gay are confuse for like each otehr means you can be good for ever freind two men or two woman but you can not slepep together

all relgion said hte similer in gay and lesbian chrsitan nd jewish said he same

lebbina and gay are kind of mental desese need to cure if numer is too many in Canada

we can blame of men ane woman in Canada family life in Canada how they grow children in canada divoerc rate all can affect children grow with this menaly can like girlfrind and then they think you like her can sleep with her while you cannot

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the reason in sex in two men or two owman and all law for sex in Islam is so difficutla nd cleanign is so difficult even in Isalm you can not tough your own body is Haram

there is so many restrication as result amont of diver is lower and amount of protesire is lower and amount of aids is lower and amount fridn men and with men are too high but not necessary are gay

men can even kiss each other but not sexualy

I think gay as result of confuse people do that and not understand ral or education of sex in canaada

sorry gay and lesbian is No to gay nd lesbian as you know in Muslim christian and Jewish religon

but some countrie even have death pentlay in some restriced Muslim countreis
as some have death pentlay if some one talk about Mohamda or quran and Islm in muslim countirs may look barbrian to you but tha is law of criminal law in Muslim countires
sory guys that Islam law is tough
but again not necessary every countyr obery that

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I blame all gay and lesbian to Candain woman fault in this countries are not faitful owman to teir husband to their son and to their family that is their chilrend end up become gay and lesbian

I ntoice som gayand lesbian are so smart people but not normal people if youlook at gay man it is so obvious hey way they talk they are confuse
teh person man and talk like woman but you are not woman
you are gayhen why you dress woman they you like woman just not find good woman
these men not able to find good faitfull woman mary the same sex but drss woman I think

I blame English culture woamn are not good so disipline not heart in this woman their children end up going adulty gay and look Canada is maximum rate

the gay man sai I likd god if you like god then take his order do not sleep with otehr man
what happend if you do not sleep with man
world can not end i but you can live with man if youhvea body freind you like to go out with him but sleep with woman at night
I think they are weired

i personaly scared of gay and lesbian people I always think they are sick adn think well and hey may scard of Muslim people

these need research why gay in canada is too much
taht is why muslim human right may diffent in canadan human right

again do not see too serius in all topic talk to scholares

do now wory Irwin about if you stay in chrsitn anybody botehr you I think you do not have any relgion only hate Muslim abosolutly and talk funy about Muslim as I may people laugh if you tak with muslim theywill laght at you too

but I know good Muslim not like in general talk ot in relationship with nonmuslim excepr work or univeristy or some necesary
I bleive Hotal Canada is may look funy butmay true
we want our room to stay and close door but if you made so much bother in your room your neight can disturb too but peolel come to be and keep their identity and not get chane can be good or can be boring

I belive human like otehr like them and like tocommunite with each otehr and not anything made them seperaed by relgion or do or do not but how to start communicaiton need heart and god in your heart and act legaly and tak nicly
I know I know I am boring person for you nomore from us any more here in this topic god send me here to wake nonmuslim up but unfortunaly final prophet is Mohamad

As time goes on I'm starting to think firing them all will be insufficient.

Jail them all.

"all lesbian and gay are confuse for like each otehr means you can be good for ever freind two men or two woman but you can not slepep together"

"lebbina and gay are kind of mental desese need to cure if numer is too many in Canada"

"i personaly scared of gay and lesbian people I always think they are sick adn think well and hey may scard of Muslim people"

Hmmm ... do I detect a "human rights" complaint in the making? Of course, the commission will have to find a Haye-to-English dictionary first.

I guess I am lucky...in my life I've never had an issue with people's sexual orientation...or if I did I dealt with it years ago, had cousins, friends, my childrens friends who had a different orientation than me...and known a transvestite, and a transgenedered person who underwent changes.
I think the minister must be allowed to rant about his position even though it is clearly extremist. It would be dangerous to others only if it became mainstream. The fact that he has been silenced is no shock..Some of us futurists (that word means in this context the awareness to percevie the implications of groups, movements, social programs, government directions, any information at all available and predict with great accuracy the future outcomes)...have seen this whole senerio coming for decades.
Am I allowed to call him extremist now that he has been convicted by the hrc because when I was testing out a story to several different people on different occassions and referred to a group of full burkha-ed wearing women as extremist the other day in toronto, the response from each of the individuals in very different walks of life was to caution me not to use the term extremist in relation to this perticular religion?
I don't agree with his religious retoric but I would defend to the death his right to say it. Ooops, that last statment could reflect eminent conversion already creeping up on me...

I guess I am lucky...in my life I've never had an issue with people's sexual orientation...or if I did I dealt with it years ago, had cousins, friends, my childrens friends who had a different orientation than me...and known a transvestite, and a transgenedered person who underwent changes.
I think the minister must be allowed to rant about his position even though it is clearly extremist. It would be dangerous to others only if it became mainstream. The fact that he has been silenced is no shock..Some of us futurists (that word means in this context the awareness to percevie the implications of groups, movements, social programs, government directions, any information at all available and predict with great accuracy the future outcomes)...have seen this whole senerio coming for decades.
Am I allowed to call him extremist now that he has been convicted by the hrc because when I was testing out a story to several different people on different occassions and referred to a group of full burkha-ed wearing women as extremist the other day in toronto, the response from each of the individuals in very different walks of life was to caution me not to use the term extremist in relation to this perticular religion?
I don't agree with his religious retoric but I would defend to the death his right to say it. Ooops, that last statment could reflect eminent conversion already creeping up on me...

Hey! I think haye is taking up far too much of Kate's bandwidth...which hardly anyone's reading; at least, I stopped reading him/her after his/her first, indecipherable post...

You don't believe he isn't white, do you? The English is way too poor to not be a faked second language.

The Phantom at June 9, 9:23 PM says . .

** As time goes on I'm starting to think firing them all will be insufficient.

Jail them all. **
=================== Yeah, then,

Because HRC made wrong award decisions, those penalties / awards to Warman - F*instance, have to be returned to those persons wronged by the HRC. . .

What a can of worms! = TG

Phantom at , 9:23 PM says . .

** As time goes on I'm starting to think firing them all will be insufficient.

Jail them all. **
=================== Yeah, then,

Because the HRC made wrong award decisions, those penalties / awards to *Lucy * - F*instance, have to be returned to those persons wronged by the HRC. . . Restitution..

What a can of worms! = TG