The Maclean's article presents a relatively convoluted claim about a future dominated by Muslims. It jumps from arguing about the ordered achievements of colonialism on "Injun" countries to a possible apocalyptic future envisioned in such novels as P.D. James,' "The Children of Men."Unlike Africa -- which Steyn dismissed as a "tribal" continent "riddled with AIDS" -- the Islamic world, he argued, poses a threat to the West because it is younger and more energetic. The article -- entitled "The Future Belongs to Islam" -- then quotes a European imam who allegedly said Muslims are reproducing like "mosquitoes."
And by the way - Africa is a tribal continent riddled with AIDS, and despite the best efforts of make believe journalism, scare quotes have been sadly ineffective in changing that.
Notice how they say the imam "allegedly" said the mosquito quote.
Worried about an HRC prosecution, perhaps?
Posted by: Dante at June 6, 2008 11:39 PMYes, I had CTV on in the background and heard Floyd talking about the case, and they even had Mark Steyn saying a few words.
The bald sock and Huggy Bear were on too, spewing the same old stuff.
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at June 6, 2008 11:46 PMPoor befuddled CTV's Rob Brown was giving it his best shot which was pretty pathetic. When mentally you don't have a clue with what to do with the quotes you've strung together that's what you get, pretty much what MSM journalism boils down to today, the clueless cutting and pasting garbled garbage.
And, they wonder why readers are leaving in droves.
Posted by: penny at June 6, 2008 11:50 PMTo be fair, there are researchers who think that AIDS is over-diagnosed in Africa, with diseases like malaria being labeled as AIDS.
Why? AIDS gets foreign aid, malaria, and other conventional diseases, don't.
Posted by: Half Canadian at June 6, 2008 11:53 PMDante, that's because it came from an 'alleged' national news media.
Posted by: Sounder at June 6, 2008 11:58 PMIf you did not know too much about this case,the ctv article would give one the impression that the HRC's are doing their job protecting Canada and Canadian values. What a poorly researched article,or what a hatchet job? Fire.Them.All.,and the people behind this article. Notice it is attributed to staff,I wouldn't want my name on this bumf.
Posted by: wallyj at June 7, 2008 12:21 AMThere's more...
"As they say in Hollywood, no British Columbia Muslims were harmed in the making of my magazine article," he said, making a reference to the use of animals in Hollywood movies.
See? now Steyn's comparing Muslims to animals! I can't believe CTV let that slip by.
Posted by: Norman at June 7, 2008 12:40 AMHalf Canadian, that's only half true. I read something like that, and about some african doctor saying they were using Africa as the testing subjects for drug studies. Of course, I did not bother with any authenticity checking. I simply filed it as a story that has the potential to contain a kernel of truth. It's quite likely there is quite a bit of corruption in the funding of AIDS research dollars in some parts of Africa when dealing with so many regimes. And third world countries don't tend to have the same standards we do regarding safe testing of new drugs for patients.
Posted by: pete at June 7, 2008 12:57 AMHalf Canadian - in many places in Africa it is unacceptable to have Aids so every illness is diagnosed as Malaria or lung diseases or something like that. Hardly a week goes by without someone you know dying of heart failure, pneumonia or some similar disease.
And yes, almost everybody in the Anopholes mosquito infested zones has or gets Malaria, and it seems quite regularly. But once past their childhood (where mortality rates are quite high), they rarely die of it unless their immune system is compromised.
Don't know the benefit of trying to decide which of these diseases is more horrible or more glamorous to research. Both diseases get foreign aid. FYI, Clinton passed through Africa last year pledgind $1 Billion year funding to eradicating Malaria in Africa. Tons of donors give mosquito nets. Aids drugs are made available at lower costs.
I think Steyn was just trying to say that the continent contains a divided population (tribal) medical basket case (riddled with Aids) with different priorities (fighting each other and trying to survive in a very harsh environment) than world domination. We love him for his writing style as much as for his thinking.
Posted by: rroe at June 7, 2008 1:47 AMThis article reeked of envy and the Canadian 'thingie' promoting the cloying lie that 'nobody is better than anybody else.'
By attempting to make Mark Steyn appear to be just 'one of the minions' in the writting business; the CTV press group have made themselves look infinitesimally weak minded and infantile.
Almost everyone who reads, has read an article or book authored by Mr. Steyn and in doing so has instintivly perceived the Herculean intellectual power of this man. Attempting to minimize a Giants power when you are a mental mosquito just makes sensible people laugh at the buffoonery of the 'entitled' without credentials. Pathetic.
Truly pathetic "report?"...
... dripping with political prejudice, condemning hubris and sophist scolding.
Just another tranzi larvea who can't get past their political programming to produce accurate news copy.
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at June 7, 2008 9:55 AMDid Steyn ever mention PD James The Children Of Men, or is that just the way the entire staff of CTV interpret the world through their systemic racist world view?
Did Steyn ever mention PD James The Children Of Men, or is that just the way the entire staff of CTV interpret the world through their systemic racist world view?
The Macleans article is "convoluted" says the alleged reporter.
Brainless twats.
Posted by: irwin daisy at June 7, 2008 10:16 AMKate
(no time today)
in today's toronto sun, michael coren has an excellent column in which he "challenges" the hrc to "come after him"
if no onefiles a complaint I may just do so, we need these high prfile individuals to kick some PUBLIC hrc ass just so the sleepwalking fools will become aware of what is going on the erode their rites to freedom of speech and expression!!
Encouraged that CBC morning news covers the HRC saga.
Encouraged that they include a Steyn clip because he can shape the picture in so few words. Tends to clarify things well, however,
I realize that not that many Canadians listen to the CBC in the AM.
I realize too that one must *listen* to the words carefully to grasp the meaning of the issue, not just *hear* it.
Thus, I suspect a majority of Canadians may have no awareness of how our freedoms of expression may be chopped, diced, sliced and limited. = TG
Posted by: TG at June 7, 2008 12:27 PMYeah, that "convoluted" style of writing which requires some attention and intelligence, both of which are in limited supply with the broadcasting community. Can you imagine this reporter reading the story, fingers tracing the print, slowly sounding out the words and gradually losing the thread?
Indeed, it is professional jealousy. Steyn gives not just an opinion -fairly common - but does it with entertainment and wit. They can't do it. And some don't even get it.
I dunno.
I detest these so-called Human Rights Commissions and Tribunals and their insane findings and I also want to fire. them. all.
But let's look at some of these postings on the subject. Folks like wallyj and others want to fire. them. all. for exercising their right to free speech and a free press. Exactly what the CIC want to do to Mark S and Maclean's. Somewhere along the line we have to steer a straight course.
Posted by: BCer at June 7, 2008 1:25 PMTake a look at Ezra Levant's blog today. He's got two vitally important issues.
The first one, is that the CHRC written transcript of the legal questions put to HRC Dean Steacy by Marc Lemire's lawyer Barbara Kulaszka, has been CHANGED from the audio recording! The CHRC has taken out TWO vital sentences - sentences which show that Richard Warman knew who was writing as jadewarr.
The second one, is the 'ruling' (how can one call such a travesty of justice a 'ruling') by the AHRC appointed 'judge', a divorce lawyer, against the Rev. Boisson, for his views against gays. He's order to never, ever, write about them again; not simply not post 'hate' opinions, but even critique them. That includes his acquaintances. Oh, and he's supposed to write a letter of apology; and get it published..and etc.
Did any gay person, by the way, complain about Boisson's posts? No. Only a university activist. Oh - and Boisson is supposed to pay this activist $5,000. Remember, the activist suffered no being 'viewed with hatred or contempt' because of Boissons' article. But - he did, according to this kangaroo judge, suffer contempt for filing the human rights complaint. And so he should be viewed. But, the 'judge' ordered Boisson to pay him for that.
It's gone beyond ridicule; it's gone beyond being something from a Monty Python sketch. Real people with real opinions, are being ordered by ignorant and arrogant political appointees to stop thinking, to stop debating, to stop questioning.
Only in Canada. What do we do about it? Write you MPs. Write Harper.
Posted by: ET at June 7, 2008 1:29 PM*
"kate said... Africa is a tribal continent riddled with AIDS"
have you learned nothing, peon?
TRUTH IS SIMPLY NOT A DEFENSE
now... kneel & tremble.
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Posted by: neo at June 7, 2008 3:24 PM"Real people with real opinions, are being ordered by ignorant and arrogant political appointees to stop thinking, to stop debating, to stop questioning"
ET is right
And we all know what that is called,
"Totalitarianism"
I think most Canadians are unaware because they're asleep.
They're the people who find themselves in the dark during a power failure because they haven't got a flashlight.
They are the dead batteries in smoke alarms discovered by the fire department after the house has burned down. And idiots, like that CTV reporter, are saying "There's nothing wrong with your alarm, anyway the government will protect you."
I tried posting this comment this morning but kept getting "Internal Server Error" message. I posted it on another thread at 8:48 a.m. :
Going along with Jema54's description of Mark Steyn as a "Herculean intellectual power," all one can say about the CTV crew, the CBC crew, the Global crew, the Probe and Fail crew, etc. ad nauseum, is that they are intellectual and moral pygmies.
And they're one of the top reasons why Canada is the Banana Republic it is--not on its way to becoming any longer. The MSM flying monkeys hate Mark Steyn because he actually has a whole hand on our pulse and they've completely missed the "Deranged Dominion" diagnosis.
They're deranged themselves.
Posted by: batb at June 7, 2008 7:24 PM
BCer: "Somewhere along the line we have to steer a straight course."
What "straight course" would you be suggesting?
The times are so out of joint, the present course is so twisted and convoluted, that it's difficult to imagine how it can be straightened out without some pretty strenuous correctives like FIRE. THEM. ALL.
Now, the employees of the CHRC have been found to have taken out two vital sentences from the audio transcript of the legal questions put to Dean Steacy by Marc Lemire's lawyer Barbara Kulaszka in their written transcript submitted to the RCMP.
It's wrong to severely criticize these tactics, BCer? It's wrong to question their loyalty to "free speech" when they lie through their teeth and tamper with legal evidence?
Hmm...as I asked earlier...what straight course would you be suggesting? There doesn't seem to be anything straight about the way the CHRC operates.
BATB,
I think BCer was alluding to the fact that we must put up with CTV articles that we think are tripe, if we also want articles from Steyn et al. which may be considered tripe by others (stupid others).
I agree with the fire.them.all folks though, not out of decency but out of pity for CTV. Paying idiots to write that just makes them look dumb.
As for the CHRC... my reading of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms reveals that we shouldn't have hired them in the first place.
Posted by: Jon at June 7, 2008 8:14 PMBCer, apples and oranges (you idiot).
The exercise of free speech rights is still "guaranteed" in the Charter to the free (sic) citizens of a free (sic) country, that used to be called Canada. (Kanadistan would be an apt name these days.)
Government enforcers and jackboots, such as our Human Rights (sic) Commissions, are not included in the Charter "rights", apparently guaranteed to Canadian citizens.
BCer claims to be against the HRCs, but then equates the free speech rights of individual Canadians with the rights of the HRC agents (jackboots) of the state, who are guilty of imposing both propaganda and power laden and punitive fatwas on law abiding Canadians.
Smarten up, BCer. (If you're on our side, poor us.)
Posted by: lookout at June 7, 2008 8:17 PM"Fire. Them. All." have always been Levant's words for the HRCs, not the MSM.
If I've misunderstood BCer, I apologize. But, even though I don't advocate firing all the MSM--though that thought makes me smile--I don't think their privileged hypocrisy is in any way equivalent to the rights to free speech that ordinary Canadian citizens are supposed to have, but obviously don't.
BCer's argument seems somewhat milquetoasty to me. Perhaps BCer could clarify.
Posted by: lookout at June 7, 2008 8:29 PMPerhaps wallyj was saying that CTV should FIRE. THEM. ALL. (The journalists, that is.)
'Not a bad idea--though it will never happen.
These so-called journalists should never have been hired in the first place--but that would have meant journalistic integrity in this news organization...
Posted by: batb at June 7, 2008 8:54 PMBTW, in a just and fair world, firing incompetent journalists wouldn't be because of the opinions they have voiced but because of their totally irresponisble negligence in researching background to the piece they were writing/reporting. That would not be an attack on "free speech" but on sloppy, incompetent, and inaccurate reporting.
Posted by: batb at June 7, 2008 8:59 PMI agree, batb.
Journalists have codes of professional conduct, which many appear to ignore. It is as a result of the blatant breach of their obligations, not their mere expresssion of opinion, that certain members of the MSM should be fired. Citizens are not bound by these professional codes--more observed in the breach than the observance, it seems.
So, an attempt to equate the free speech rights of ordinary citizens, who, of course may be wrong, with the often outright and contrived lies (including the omission of important information) of powerful members of the MSM, who are paid to mold opinion, just isn't on.
My opinion.
Posted by: lookout at June 7, 2008 10:08 PMDid any of you catch Petti Fong's "news" item in the Toronto Star? If not, you can view it here. Remember, hers is not [supposed to be] an opinion piece.
Much like for the reason Kate said she started blogging (I recall something about throwing the nearest object at the radio?!) I just had to comment on Ms. Fong's writing.
I've since learned from an attendee that Petti Fong is almost certainly the woman in the yellow coat in this video. She sat beside him in court and was gleefully chummy, thinking he was also there to watch Mark Steyn's downfall. After she learned that he was a fan, she refused to talk with him for the rest of the trial.
Posted by: Robert W. at June 8, 2008 12:02 AMThanks batb. Actually,I want the hrc's fired for their attempt to stifle politically incorrect speech,and the ctv staff for always reporting THEIR opinions as facts. Whoever wrote that 'book review'or allowed it to presented as news either/or has an axe to grind against free thought and speech,or never read more than someone else's press release about the whole situation. BC'er,once your province settles all the native land claims,you will be both guilt-free and homeless,pray that Ab. or Sask. will let you in to the real world.
Posted by: wallyj at June 8, 2008 12:09 AMYes,Robert W.,that was another fine piece of journalistic integrity. One doesn't even have to get into the body of the story to see where the reporter's bias lies. The sub-headline says'B.C.hearing told story promotes hatred of Islam. Others see this as freedom of speech". Those two lines together would lead an uninformed reader to believe that Steyn et al are spewing hatred of Islam and hiding behind 'freedom of speech'. The rest of the article bolsters this view.What luck to find a crying woman that NEVER wears a hajib,except for this occasion,sure babe,I believe you,and islam really is the 'religion of peace'. Really, trust me.
Posted by: wallyj at June 8, 2008 12:36 AMLook, many here have very valid points; but...
The MSM have just as much right to air their issues as Mark Steyn, Ezra or we do, in any way or fashion they see fit. What people need to understand is the ideas and opinions put forward are ALWAYS bias. Eliminate the adjectives and adverbs and read the nouns and verbs. It used to be reporting the who, what, why, when, where and how that was important, now it it is not the information so much as the audience you reach (ratings) that is important. The sensationalism of news reporting is in direct competition with the entertainment industry and it is up to the "bread and circus" classes to understand that the methods often belie the message.
Posted by: Jan from Alberta at June 8, 2008 12:57 AMI've just posted this at Ezra's site (awaiting moderation):
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gerard, I was thinking exactly the same thing. [The toadies at the HRC will claim that the grammatical error in their removal of crucial evidence from the transcript was just an innocent mistake.] The HRC weasels gerrymander reality to make sure they never lose: so far, they've gotten away with it.
I'm glad to hear that OM-eater's friends react in a favourable way—by being horrified and indignant— to the skulduggery that's going on here. I find that the long and winding road of the HRCs and the "fabulist" aspect of their egregious to criminal behaviour are very difficult to get across in the amount of time most sheeple are willing/able to pay attention. I choose very carefully whom I’ll engage in any discussion of this.
Honestly, Canadians are very good at shooting any messenger who puts ripples in the tidy little ponds that are their lives. And, back to the sheeple, when they’ve all been herded into the fold and the wolves are circling, they’ll be bleating, “How did this happen?”
I’m a Christian—the kind who now keeps my mouth shut in contentious public debate—and I know there is a shepherd the lambs can trust. But most Canadians—and all of our public institutions—long ago banished this voice from their personal lives and the public square. We’re reaping the whirlwind of the secular state we’ve created, which has an entirely different set of gods—all of them ravenous. As kindle says, “Apparently a hundred million dead in the past century on the altar of totalitarian government [they were all secular] wasn't enough. The grinders of freedom have been started up again looking for fresh sacrifice.”
Leonard Cohen says it all in his prescient song, “The Future”: “. . . And now the wheels of heaven stop/ you feel the devil's riding crop/ Get ready for the future:/ it is murder/
Things are going to slide ... /There'll be the breaking of the ancient western code/ Your private life will suddenly explode . . . Get ready for the future:/ it is murder.”
Complacent, ignorant Canadians—a very bad foundation on which to run a democracy—are like lambs to the slaughter. If the HRCs aren’t defanged or, preferably, killed outright, there will be no shortage of sacrificial victims for Canada’s hungry “grinders of freedom”.
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So far, observant Christians, such as Scott Brockie, Chris Kempling, Hugh Owens, and the Rev. Stephen Boisson, have been the main victims of the state jackboots. Until now, most Canadians haven't given a thought to these victims of a gross travesty of justice. I'm very pleased to see that the punishment of Stephen Boisson is horrifying some pretty big movers and shakers. I hope this might lead to some kind of class action on behalf of these and other Canadian Christians, who've been thrown into the arena with the state lions.
P.S. REAL Women, a group of brave, knowlegeable Canadian women, most of whom are Christian, including founder and lawyer, Gwen Landolt--who have been reviled, ridiculed, and marginalized by the chattering classes for the 25 years of their existence--have been right on top of this issue all along. (But, hey, who listens to them?)
Concerned Canadian: Right on. But who's listening?
Too little, too late, all the way along. Even small-c conservatives, who think far better than their counterparts, the small-and-capital-letter l/Liberals, seem to have missed the boat on an awful lot of skullduggery going on for the past 40 years. They know that the Trudeau Dystopia is a disaster, but when it comes to a cure, they're stumped because, as we know, they don't subscribe to one of the main pillars of Western Civilization: the Christian Church and its Judeo-Christian principles.
These principles, which prevailed in the West until fairly recently, were pretty effective gatekeepers when it came to death cults--whether of the secular humanist/socialist/communist or Islamofascist variety. With the wholesale surrender of these values by the West's elites--"they're no better than any other values," being the mantra of the Librano-inspired cult of multiculturalism--we've become vulnerable to every ism and cult going, with no useful principles or values with which to discern the difference between a cult and a viable and authentic culture.
Look at the mess this inability to discern cult from culture has landed us in. As the Good Book says, he who has eyes to see with, let him see, and ears to hear with, let him hear.
Posted by: batb at June 8, 2008 3:13 PMrichfisher,
"Did Steyn ever mention PD James The Children Of Men, or is that just the way the entire staff of CTV interpret the world through their systemic racist world view?"
Steyn used "the Children of Men" either in the book or in a column. I'm going from memory but it was there for sure.