Fire. Them. All.

I hear Richard Warmen is now employed at Canada's DND as the chief of human rights investigations,
scary stuff.

Ezra. The one man wrecking crew.

How can this unbelievable farce be allowed to continue another single day? It's not good enough to fire them all. They must be fully prosecuted, publicly humiliated and incarcerated for a good long time.

Ezra is highly entertaining when he goes ballistic. You could feel the glee in his live blogging, the man was having the time of his life.

Good grief Fine is not a very good liar, it was disclosed at the hearing that the person who logged onto the forum was using an Account SetUP by and used by said HRC's employee and it was he/she/it who signed on to the forum using a hyjacked wifi. Ezra should of kept repeating that the person who stole the signal was using a HRC moniker. Now the chances of it being oh say Joe Blow are at best marginal and in reality ziltch.

Thanks that was awesome, I bet they hate Ezra at the CHRC?

What an utter,lying slimeball that Ian Fine is.

To think that this guy gets paid OVER $100,000 a year by the taxpayers to rob Canadians of their free speech rights is beyond belief!

Nothing like a pony tail and a suit to make me take someone seriously....meh, I must be getting old.

Would it be safe to assume that Ezra is no longer on Mr. Fines Christm---er--holiday card list?

Horny Toad

Ezra Ezra Ezra Ezra Ezra!!!!

A champion for us all!

How many of us say, “There is nothing I could do about it anyway”? Well here is a man that does do something about it. The very least we could do is support his efforts financially (in any way big or small) and in turn be apart of doing something instead of bellyaching and playing armchair quarter backs.

Thanks big-time, Richard.

You can see so very clearly in Fine the craven detestable back-room unaccountability of the high-priests of of LPC holier-than-thou bureaucratism. You can see that to him the *truth* -- i.e. that which is undeniably true -- is variously beside the point, ignorable, and deniable because of his position. He treats each utterance of the facts as an apparently self-evident insult to such high priests as himself.

It's classic passive-aggressive behaviour: in response to facts, he falls back on an "I don't have to sit here and be insulted like this" defense. It's all about him; if the truth discomfits him, and questions his priestly station, then the truth is an eye-rolling outrage.

What an absolute p***y.

You gotta love Ezra Levant, though. He's the best.

Mr. Fine has the temerity to deny facts from his own transcript!!

This suit is a complete and utter farce.

This man is incapable of truth, he may as well be spouting Pontius Pilate tripe:

"What is truth?"

In LIEberaldom there is only the preservation and retention of power for its own sake.

Unfortunately, this man's political leprosy is so ingrained he is incapable of identifying truth even if it kicks him in the backside.

It is in short, a wilful blindness, a Philistine pig ignorance only worthy of rolling around in his own offal.

For a human rights commissioner responsible for the charges actions under his authority, his only explanation is that he is trying to save his hide by outright denial.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht
Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

To me the guy came across as clueless. This man does not seem to have a firm grasp of what is going on with the HRC scandals. He holds on to the Noble Goal of eradicating hate as a shield that will protect him from all of the slimy tactics of his henchmen.

He appears to think that this current situation are confined to just differences of opinion regarding the limits of free speech. It is that but it also the way in which the HRCs have expanded beyond their intended mandate, the unfairness of their structure and their corruption from within.

To me the most important observation from this session (I've watched the full session twice) is that not a single journalist asked a question which favoured Mr. Fine's perspective.

He truly was all alone out there.

The tide is turning.

Sorry, another observation.

Ezra (and I'm his biggest fan and a very substantial donor so far) comes off too strongly sometimes. Not for us, who are into the battle with four limbs and our hearts, but for the average calm non-engaged Canadian for whom this is not a big issue. But those are the people we need to influence. We don't need to sell this to other Blogging Tories.

We need that kind of "in your face" guy, and without Ezra we'd have nothing. But having a calm statesmanlike person work together with Ezra, like Keith Martin, is absolutely essential too.

You can be correct in your argument, but if you rub things in people's face or express things in a mean way that belittles your opponent, you run the risk of diminishing your victory because your opponent will with sympathy.

I've seen the same thing with his blog posts on Awan, the law student that testified yesterday at the HRC. Awan is misguided or worse, no doubt, but Ezra's blog is the world's gateway to this pathetic HRC tribunal, and we are trying to influence public opinion. We have to keep our end of the debate civil. The comments on that blog are often excessive, and Ezra's own words can be as well. At other times, the blog is incredibly eloquent.

This is a war for public opinion and public perception. Our demeanor counts. Just like we teach our children about making good impressions on people they have just met, we need to do the same on those who are tuning into the debate for the first time.

Thanks Richard and Kate. It certainly explains why the CHRC/CHRT is in such a Fine mess.

Fine completely lied about his knowledge of the testimony from the Bell Rep.

Ezra has 100,000 reasons to attack Fine like that, and as strongly as he does. Especially so is the neet to do it in front of the journalistically politically correct.

Paul Schneidereit (spelling?) hit the nail on the head about cost and Fine admits that the system is flawed.

This video needs to be viewed by the Minister of Justice if only for that reason.

EZRAHU AKBAR!!!

lu-lu-lu-lu-lu-lu-lu-lu-lu-lu-lu-lu-lu ....

May every village on the planet be blessed with an Ezra Levant, The Righteous Man, who won't be cowered. It's breathtaking watching tribunal toady Ian Fine wither under the avalanche of damning facts. He's got a whimpering demeanor.

We are doomed as a free society if we don't shut down as we find it all manner of USSR style state thuggery, and, there is nothing operating in North America as smarmy and totalitarian as the CHRC's. This is not just a Canadian problem. That idiot Bill Richardson set up one of these kanagaroo courts in my old state. It's new, but, there will be a similar body count of innocent victims given time. The parallels with Putin's courts are uncanny. Find the man, we'll fit the crime.

Anyone else guessing that Richard Warman must have dragged that little wimp around by the nose? It never crossed his tiny mind the absurdity and suspicious impropriety of Warman as purveyor of all of their cases?

I think this is the guy running it.

http://www.larryfine.com/

And that weasel probably gets paid over $200K.

Not worth 200 cents.

Close them all down . . . worse than a waste of money. they are a waste of time.

Lori: With all due respect I disagree with your take on Ezra's delivery.

If he would have stood up and turned the table over after he read Richard Warman's racist slur, while shouting "and these are the people that would censor us" two or three times, while pointing at Ian Fine, I believe his testimony would have been more compelling and forceful, as seen by the typical disinterested Canadian.

He is a breath of fresh air, I find his emotion infectious.
More please!

Lori: With all due respect I disagree with your take on Ezra's delivery.

If he would have stood up and turned the table over after he read Richard Warman's racist slur, while shouting "and these are the people that would censor us" two or three times, while pointing at Ian Fine, I believe his testimony would have been more compelling and forceful, as seen by the typical disinterested Canadian.

He is a breath of fresh air, I find his emotion infectious.
More please!

Fire. Them. All.
Never give up your guns, you will need them. The enemy is among us.

Lori--

I agree. We are in the business of persuasion here, and the vast majority of Canadians will never get upset about this. But their opinions may still change in our direction, if they're made aware of it in a calm manner.

I love Ezra, and I think his posts yesterday were really a thing of genius. But we need Keith Martin to start speaking up more. We need Jason Kenney to say something. We need Rex Murphy to say it again and again. And we all need to just talk about the issues to our friends.

I wouldn't necessarily calm Ezra down, though. He gets the rest of us pumped (I mean seriously, this week has been a blast because of these liveblogs), and he's doing a great service. The rest of us just need to continue it in a calm and respectful manner. So we need to find a respectful way to call Mr. Fine a weasel. I think liar can still be respectful, since it is true. What do you think?

The high energy, in your face, Ezra type is very necessary. He forces the opposition to be on the defensive and out of their comfort zone. For too long these bureaucrats have been way to comfortable with the game played the Canadian way - polite, calm, respectful. They need to be shaken up a bit.

Lori: I agree--I love Ezra and god knows we need more people like him who actually say it like it is...but he does have a bit of that Morton Downey Junior in him and he needs to pull that back in.

That said,he is very pointed in the facts and wants us all to be as disgusted with the HRC as he is. We are.

SheilaG - I am uneasy calling a "respected" public official a "liar". I personally don't respect Mr. Fine. I think I know his true colours. I do think he is a liar. Very much so. His misguided ideas are a greater threat to my children's future liberty than the evil intentions of any Jihadist.

But, for better or worse, he is a public official and has a mantle of respectability, however ill deserved. My concern is that reasonable people who enter the debate unbiased one way or the other, and not familiar with the history, are likely to see repeated name-calling as a sign of weakness of argument, not strength.

At least that's what I teach my kids.

Its the same with blog discussions. First one to use namecalling has lost the debate. We often quote that rule. We should adhere to it.

Look, I despise the HRCs, the lawyers, the unethical left-wingers "on a mission" who worm their way into government positions and influence the nation's direction from within. I view them as a greater threat to this country than Islam, or Communism, or phoney climate change pushers.

It has been relatively easy to marginalize the activity on the right wing blogosphere by calling us various names. We won't prove them wrong by calling names back. We will simply lose the interest of the all important 98% of the population that is not as engaged as the 1% libs and 1% cons.

I would prefer to tell Mr. Fine that he may not be in possession of all the facts, and that I would like to present them to him... can he offer any comments?

Not fired. Jailed.

Sorry folks. Strictly speaking Mr Fine did not lie. I was parsing his words closely. Ezra spent a good amount of time connecting dots that were not in the actual transcript. Mr Fine simply indicated that nowhere were the dots "proven" to be connected.

What do you expect him (Fine) to do? Admit bad behaviour on the account of his people. Not gonna happen. Yes, we don't like him as he is in a position of ultimate power (THE CENSOR).

The ultimate problem here is our politicians. They apparently agree with the CHRC (and their provincial counterparts) being the censors of the people as they have taken no real action on this. How about legislating some things into the act like defences (fair comment, journalism, truth, etc). How about legislating the same level of conduct of a real tribuneral subject to Charter rules, and the requirement to keep logs of activities as they pertain to enforcement.

Attacking individual members of the HRCs is not useful. Attacking the products of their law-abiding work in higher courts, in committees of our various Parliamentarians is the action to take.

Ezra's plan is a good one. Quit the feeding frenzy of the pre-ordained outcome. Get to your computer and email your MPs, and MPPs. Stop donating to parties who support the continued business as usual of the HRCs.

Anyone know who this Ben guy is !?

Sounds like just an ordinary citizen. He sure makes sense with his YouTube 'Freedom Of Speech in Canada' vid.

He calls for Canadians to support MP Keith Martin's bid to scrap the "police state" section. (his words)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5DM7DtxREY

This entire outfit has to be shut down, charges laid and every Office they used be fumigated.

Thanks to Ezra for taking them on. The rest is in the hands of the provincial and federal governments.
This crap has no place in this or any democracy.
This is the stuff of Commie States.

is Ian Fine from the HRC related to Larry Fine of the Three Stooges?
just wondering

Larry Fine "pretended" he was stooge.

I tried to file a complaint and was ignored. Can you guys use my case?

mr. fine would kill those who don't agree with him if he had the chance. the man is dangerous and i just am amazed that this person and his ilk are in positions of power in this country. keep you guns. it's too damn bad we don't have a second amendment to our constitution. we are going to need it long before the u.s..

I have a question. I think it has been established that War man is gay. After watching this clip, I would guess, based on his use and color of language that Mr, Fine is gay as well.

If I am right, is being gay a prerequisite for having a job on the commission?

I am just asking because I am used to talking to men who don't talk like women and those guys do talk like women.

I hope that asking this question, I have not subject to hurting anyone's feeling. I am aware that such a thing could bankrupt me.

cal 2 -- I think this is the guy running it.

http://www.larryfine.com/

Right-on!

Well well well, is this the barrel of a gun issue I have been referring to these past years? Maybe? Will this be the push reason? It very well could be.

My personal view is that this government had better take this issue a bit more serious than they are. They had better start acting like a Conservative government because those of us that voted for them have nowhere to turn if they let us down. What happens when you’re cornered?

Wake up you gutless bastards that call yourself a Conservative government.

With greatest respect, I disagree strongly with the views of Lori and Sheila G regarding Ezra's putative over-the-top aggression. Personally, I am sick of the Canadian and very catholic notion of tolerance and respect that took us to this revolting process in Vancouver, this politeness that insists that being respectful to anyone who wears the robes of officialdom is more important than protecting ourselves and our children and our neighbours.

Politeness is essential in the realm of common grace, but not in any absolute sense; not 100% of the time. When it comes to the point where a group of people are taking away something ineffably valuable -- in this case, freedom of speech and thought, although it could be your relatives, in a cattle car -- those people do not deserve respect, they deserve vilification, regardless of how mundane and bureaucratically composed they are.

Ezra wasn't emotionally incontinent, he wasn't firing off ad hominems, he was exasperated, laughing, and delighted to have a chance to show the rest of the world what sort of big-state crimes against conscience are occurring behind the polite evasions o polite-sounding bureaucrat.

(BTW, I'm as respectful a person as you'll ever meet, in my day to day dealings with people of any race, nationality, religion, etc etc.)

I'd even go so far as to suggest that if people are turned off by Ezra, they are not parsing the significance of events. If his excitement and his truth-telling makes people turns people off, then they should join the LPC.

To me, criticizing Ezra's communications at that press conference is a bit like saying to the guys in the Danzig Post Office in 1939 "You know, you're on the side of right and everything, but you're just turning people off when you discharge weapons."

Go Ezra. What I saw there is a great Canadian moment, perhaps a pivotal one.

Lori:

One cannot have respect for a politician who is a lying sack of utter and complete excrement.

Ezra Levant was right in his forcefulness, and is much better than anyone else in regards to this issue.

Mr I-ain't fine, thank you but, but, but....

you're testimony is sooooo untrue....

hopefully, I'll see ya in your next job, dude!

John V - listen to the full-length version. Your question will be answered. It's worth it to get the full picture of this man.

Ezra and Steyn with their personalities are exactly what Canadians need. Our rights have been taken away from us by the smiling two-faced left-lib socialist. Every word we speak, now has to be passed through some censorship gauntlet that is the creation of the left. We were fools to let this spawn of the Stalinist push us around, and turn right into wrong. Give it all you got boys, the thinking people in Canada are cheering for you.

"..The ultimate problem here is our politicians."

maybe Orwell was referring to Canadian gunnimints.

The Reverend Sister Mary Nelson would like to say a few words to the HRC-ers, including Ian Fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSx1XToYOlU

Re: Lori's comments on Ezra's style.

We are embroiled in a fight against a great evil, evil that would strike at the fundamental rights of man -- rights which separate Western nations from the non-Western, rights which separate man from beast. Whenever and wherever such evil is identified and the argument has been made, it is not only moral to call it evil in the strongest possible terms, it is *absolutely necessary.* Morality - life - demands it.

There are no terms strong enough to excoriate the evil that Fine and the HRCs represent.

Reasoned argument does not necessarily mean calm. All reason requires is that the irrefutable logical argument first be made, and it has been. Yet, the HRC evil soldiers on. We are past the time of civility. Anyone who would find Ezra uncivil at this stage does not understand how serious the concept of rights are. Such a person is not worth appealing to.

And this is the Canadian problem: unlike the US, the Canadian culture is not properly primed to resist the growth of government power. Government exists to serve the people, not the other way round.

If a man finds himself charge of a body that wields as much power as the HRCs do, a power which can wreck not just careers, but flesh-and-blood lives and societies, the onus is on him to know every fact in his domain. That creature named Fine failed to exhibit such a grasp.

Soviet Canuckistan... Where have I heard that before?

...until the HRC has been proven to be guilty of 'hacking' or charged with anything, it is all speculation.

While I wholly support Ezra, two wrongs don't make a right. Accusations, name calling and belittling your opponent pretty well deflates any seriousness of his stand.

Ezra would do good hiring a speech coach to win a majority over to his side.

A good example would be the tone and mannerism displayed by the Montreal CHA questioning Mr. Fine on 'Canadian consensus' did more in challenging the HRC than the 10 minutes of hand waving and ranting by Ezra.

Likewise the president of the Alberta Press Council commentary did well in hitting hard that Mr. Fine couldn't answer.

Same with the second question series by the Halifax editor of where does the CHR fit in when we already have hate laws did more in putting the CHR on the spot than all of Ezra's rants and finger pointing (a bad action to do).

Questions and actions like those generate more questions and more more doubt towards the HRC than someone ranting away - no matter how right they were.

Guys like Mr. Fine are the -real- reason we have a gun registry. If you have a list of all the law abiding armed citizens you can run out and DIS-arm them just before you do something really revolting.

Like nationalize the internet and MSM, just ferinstance. He'd looooove to do that, I can tell just by looking at him.

Or give 12 miles on both sides of the Grand River to the Mohawk Smuggler Society. Don't think some Queen's Park schmuck in a cheap suit like Fine isn't thinking about that today.

God loves you Ezra and your rightous indignation I know I do, keep kicking weasel ass these people are too slimey to be Canadians, send em all to whateverstan, they will fit right in. Unbelievable weasels, apointed by Lieberals,in Canada FIRE THEM ALL!!
cheers Bubba

It seldom pays to be rude... but it NEVER pays to be only half rude.

GO EZRA!!!

Are you serious, tomax, in your "let's all be nice" criticism of Ezra? (I was disappointed, to say the least, when I realized this Pollyanna post was by you.)

Ezra is, quite rightly, passionate about this issue--how un-Canadian--and I say all power to him.

I am a man who can occasionally get carried away in a debate, raise my voice, talk faster and faster, get my blood pressure up with my face all red, etc...and it never has helped me score points.

In fact the opposite is true.

those who are sitting on the fence on the debate tend to turn away from the one who looks out of control and/or agressive.

I think Ezra Levant should try to remain calm, just as I think Mark Steyn should have also remained calm at the TVO debate.

Those two men are brilliant, very articulate and are virtually walking encyclopedias on the topics they defend.

An occasional and short "emotional reaction" is ok here and there but I think the sheer weight of the evidence those two have is enough to shred to pieces their opponents.

...yep, as the post heading says, 'form your own judgement', so I do hope I am entitled to one on here.

I got more from the three people asking questions than all of Ezra's ranting and finger pointing.

Passionate is one thing, theatrics is another.

...yep, as the post heading says, 'form your own judgement', so I do hope I am entitled to one on here.

I got more from the three people asking questions than all of Ezra's ranting and finger pointing.

Passionate is one thing, theatrics is another.

...whoops! Sorry for the double post. Got a new imac and learning Safari doesn't work like Firefox...

I guess it's a matter of perception. I'm always turned off when I see someone getting red in the face and angry, like they're losing control of their senses, but I don't see Ezra that way at all. I'm not even sure what people are looking at. He's good natured, he's high-spirited, but he's truth-telling. He's saying in effect, "This is incredible. This guy is straight-faced lying to you." Seems to me that he acts like it's funny more than mad.

We're long overdo for calling out those who social climb and suck g-tit so they can rule the rest of us without justification. I've seen a million talking heads engaging with those who nominally and only by some definition "oppose" them or "keep them accountable" or "ask the tough questions," but both sides are just playing the game, like that's the point, and trying to dissolve all considerations in process and elevate themselves by demonstrating that they've mastered the protocol of endless minutiae-grinding.

Nobody gives a shit. But when Ezra talks, the reaction is more "wow, listen to what he's saying -- he really means it. Naw....is that actually true, what he just said?" Then Ezra's shows people, now interested, that it is.

If someone officio-crat thinks he can get away with covering up the truth by acting offended when it's exposed, the last thing anybody needs is for others to be offended for him as well.

Ezra is trying to bring attention to something that is absolutely critical to our legacy and to the future of this country. We do not want to lose this country to faceless lefto-crats, and if we're going to stop that, we need fighters. I wish there was fifty Ezras.

I can't see how Ezra would be making a better case, or convincing more of these unseen fence sitters by acting like every other winky-winky "we're all buds when all is said and done," craven, establishment-climbing professional bus/gov-networker ***holes.

Some people have deeply subducted within themselves a fear, not completely ungrounded, that they won't get ahead if they don't cooperate. That might even be the vast majority. But we should appreciate, not criticize, those who say "screw that, this is about the truth." That very attitude, regardless of one's demeanor, is a violation to the would-be embedded rulers the Libs have salted throughout our institutions.

One word “PATHETIC” people of Canada, please, get a hold of your MP and implore them, de-fund the Canadian Human Rights Commission!!!

...well said EBD and while I agree about the perception angle - isn't what this whole thing is about - public perception?

While some are moved by the emotion and showmanship of Ezra, beware that emotions come and go as the tide.

Point in case - I can recall questions people at the mic asked and how Mr. Fine's reaction and deflection of the questions gave him away.

That will stay with me a long time.

Now ask me what Ezra ranted about for 10 minutes and all I can recall is 'nigger' being said a lot of times and something about Nazi's.

Ezra was too polite
the fundamental right to freedom of speech is under attack by a group of very evil fascists
Canadians should be screaming mad at these threats to our most basic freedoms
yet some of you thought Ezra was too emotional or impolite or he didn't conduct himself professionally or some such nonsense?
Ezra was fu*#in' brilliant - nobody understands this issue like Ezra
Ezra is to be applauded and supported not criticized because he raised his fu*#in' voice
"these people" are trying to fu*# every Canadian by making conservative opinion a crime
and the fact that our CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT is allowing this to happen in a democracy makes me sick....

there, is that emotional enough for you?

I understand what you're saying tomax7. It's true, people can perceive the same event differently. Personally, though I'm not moved by his showmanship (if I was susceptible to showmanship I'd be moved, rather than disturbed, by the platinum oratory of Obama) but by his perseverance and the -- to me -- utter correctness of the position he's fighting for. And frankly I doubt I'll ever meet someone who'd say "you know, I totally disagree with Ezra Levant's position, but I love-love-love his showmanship!"

When I think of showmanship I think of a situation where someone is selling the sizzle and not the steak. Ezra's actually the opposite of that -- he's the butcher who pulls out the beef and -- slam -- puts it on the table -- and says (in effect) "let's stop talking what it might or might not be, and let's actually *look* at it." He invites everyone to look as carefully and as closely as they want...and to cradle it gently in their hands.

There may be a little P.T. Barnum in him but it's not as if he gets people to walk through the proverbial gates and then walks away; it's more of a "now that you're here, let me give you the largely covered-up or elided -- critical information.

Would people enter the proverbial gates, to get informed, if he were just another typical gracious Canadian I have my doubts. When you look at the people who've got the ball rolling on the critical, no-joke issues -- Mark Steyn, Kate, Ezra Levant and others, there's nary a good little altar boy in the bunch.

IMO, in Canada we're suffering now in certain regards from the dearth in the past 30 or 40 years of people who are noisy and stubborn about telling the truth. I guess it's a given that when those people appear, a lot of people won't like them.

Sorry, I was at a function and could not comment further.

I totally understand people's anger, frustration, and desire to scream at people like Fine and his ilk.

I think that without Ezra we would be nowhere in this battle.

I merely wish to make the point that to win over the rest of the nation we need to take it past "you liar". We need a "one two" combination. The hard hit, and the calm reasoned approach. The bad cop and the good cop.

There is a really good post by By Dalwhinnie in Barrelstrength today.

http://www.barrelstrength.com/2008/06/04/our-laws-schools-versus-steyn-and-levant/

The point is that the enemies of freedom have achieved their much of their success through the calm AND UNOPPOSED proposition of ideas that have wormed their way into the mainstream, for example a seemingly boring and highly academic essay entitled "Private Regulation and Public Policy: Toward effective restriction of Internet hate Propaganda".

We need to penetrate that same space, not just rant at it from the outside.

"You're free to poke the dog with a stick.
You're free to cry "Unfair!" when the dog takes your arm off at the shoulder.
You're not free to have your protest taken seriously by anyone."

I'm glad Ezra and Steyn are our pitbulls.

My Judgement - the truth does not lie Mr. Fine...and what Mr. Levant read and than you have the audacity to say you can form your own judgement. No, that is what the Kangaroo Courts do. In the real world, the truth matters and our judgement is....You guys owe a lot of people money for all their legal fees and time.

Mr Fine is a lying bag of pig shit. Its that simple

and I don't want these people fired, I want them JAILED !

Lori - you think Ezra was rude and not polite enough? Ohmigosh, Canada is in worse shape than I thought. Not one of you would survive 15 minutes in New York City - he wasn't being rude, he was being forceful, forthright, honest, and plain spoken. Those are all pluses for most people.

Now that's believable reality TV with excitment. Ezra did a Fine job so to speak.

We all know who is really behind the HRC. Their targets are let you know there bias.

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Ezra, savant, and exclamation Mark could be very rich in a few years; the resource material must fill thousands of pages.

In this confrontation, Ezra was brilliant, and amazingly restrained. Sure he was angry, but terror-wimp Fine was internally unhinged. He obviously needed a fast intervenous drip to unstick his mandibles. In fact, I had the impression Fine might have been suffering from some subconscious acknowledgment of common sense from the other two.

The oddest thing is that these turkeys are so consistently buffoons, yet so inconsistent, contradictory, and effectively, evil. Maybe they think we'll all die laughing ourselves to death.

Canada needs to be a place fired CHRCs would be reluctant to visit.

The debate demonstrates very effectively that multi-culti is a very real threat, certainly to real justice in Canada.

One look at the Bill Mahr sloped forehead on this Ian Finnes asshole and his cluttered rebuttals says this neanderthal is not long out of the trees. The forehead tells one about the amount of brains in there, too bad for you leftie Ian?

Ezra's got a right to be a little hot. He's been dragged through the mud by the HRC's.

As for Keith Martin, color me completely unipressed. Very poor speaker, very poor at communicating his thoughts, and apparently little more that a basic knowledge of the history of the systemic abuses of the HRC's.

More and more it looks to me like a bit of safe political opportunism by Mr. Martin. He can't lose.

If this does not gain significant traction beyond what it has, he melts back into the background. If it does he's crowned with the mantle of the man who stood up in Parliament and exposed the HRC's for the star chambers they have become.

For a guy who started his political career as a Reform MP, and ran for the leadership of the Canadian Alliance, he has had plent of lib red running through his veins over the years when it has been convenient to do so. His running as a Lib when the Libs seemed ascendant is a good example of this (any true Reformer would never cross the aisle).

Theres really no downside for Mr. Martin here. As a Lib he can table his motion against the HRC's with no blowback from the media. (just imagine if the same motion was tabled by a Conservative).

After hearing him on CKNW and on this video, I really am suspect as to his agenda on this.

Why it took a letter from a constituent to alert him to the abuses of the HRC's is damning. As a politically astute individual with a right leaning background this should have been high on his radar. But it wasn't until now.

Could it be that Mr. Martin now sees the Libs as a sinking ship and wants to get his conservative bona fides back?

While this may have helped shine the light on the abuses perpetrated by HRC's, and it is welcome, I don't think that Mr. Martins actions were (or are) particularly altruistic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHPX10xzlMc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69-X-59Z0BY&watch_response

Did anybody else catch these vids from RADIOFREECANADA1 which were in the video comments to Riochard Evans video?

Absolutely hilarious. Whomever you are that was great. I have the biggest smile on my face right now.

freedom is not free

It is Canada's politeness that allows terrorist, murderers and child rapist to walk free amongst us. It is Canada's politeness that has us bending over to be reamed by any nutjob group with a whacked out ideology. It is Canada's politness that usurps our identity, and makes us weak. To hell with politness. We are dealing with people who look upon us as weak prey. It is best for Ezra and Steyn to go for the throat.

We all know who is really behind the HRC. Their targets are let you know there bias.
Posted by: Bob H at June 5, 2008 1:18 AM

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Could you please elaborate Bob?

Lori, you must believe in the old adage that you get more flies with honey, but it has been scientifically proven that if you rip their little wings off, they will eat anything.

Lori, you must believe in the old adage that you get more flies with honey, but it has been scientifically proven that if you rip their little wings off, they will eat anything.

Sorry Ward, your attack on Keith Martin is misguided.

http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=490323

Since he retiring from federal politics, the notion that this is some sort of opportunism is absurd.

He left the CA because of principled disagreements about social issues. Fiscally, and on some key social issues, he is clearly a Conservative. But regardless of what party he belong so, few politicians in parliament are regarded as having as much integrity as him.

He is a genuine person, not a professional politician. I guess you mistake that for a lack of conviction. I'd say he had a lot more conviction than the 99% of the CPC who have said nothing on the matter at this point.

Partisan politics will not solve the HRC mess.

Honey Pot. Actually, I think the good cop bad cop strategy is the single most effective tactic in this type of situation.

Here's today's National Post take on the HRCs and where our CPC is on this matter:

http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=565219

To quote:
"But sources within the government suggest Mr. Nicholson may not have undergone quite the Damascene conversion on the issue that Mr. Martin supposes. One Conservative suggested the Justice Minister is in thrall to his departmental bureaucrats, who do not support overturning Section 13. According to this version of events, Mr. Nicholson has eased pressure within caucus by authorizing a review of the act but has managed to delay action by referring it to a dysfunctional committee that hasn't met in months and isn't likely to convene again until well into the fall."

Would that be an example of a "principled" CPC member, Ward?

"With greatest respect, I disagree strongly with the views of Lori and Sheila G regarding Ezra's putative over-the-top aggression. Personally, I am sick of the Canadian and very catholic notion of tolerance and respect that took us to this revolting process in Vancouver..." (EBD)

I also respectfully disagree with people who say 'turn the other cheek and let things be' type mentality. At times, however, prudence and wisdom are called for when the slight or problem is based on a subjective view of something; however, it's not called for when it's about a God-given right that is being threatened.

I agree with EBD of being tired of the "Canadian" niceness, which is good in itself, but not when you tolerate error. However, and this is where some clarification is needed, the "real and traditional" catholic (not sure if he/she meant the religion or the meaning of the word catholic as universal but I will go with the religion) notion is to fight for your God-given freedoms until the death. The notion of tolerance is a very new and "modern" idea in the Catholic Church, one which most traditional Catholics do not believe. Respect for the person is tantamount; tolerance of their error is not. Unfortunately that's not what you hear out there.

I appreciate very much that Ezra is out there fighting for me, and I am most indebted to him for it.

I should have added "...to the death - if need be".

Okay, I see now that Kathy has put it up on her website that I said Ezra was too rude, which I did NOT! I said Ezra was doing a great job rallying the troops, and the rest of us now have to do our jobs. I didn't say Ezra should change one bit.

But, I stand with Lori that we need to tread carefully. Of course we all hate the fact that Canada is wimpy. Of course we would like to just let out all this crap that's inside us that's been enraging us for years. But that's not how things get done.

Letters to MPs which are respectful but firm, and state that this is an issue upon which we will be voting, are very effective. Letters that are filled with expletives or rants are not. The office just assumes you're a lunatic or a fringe element, and they know fringe elements don't convince anyone of anything. A strong, principled, articulate letter on the other hand makes people sit up and notice.

It's the same thing when we're speaking to people. Ultimately 95% of Canada doesn't really think about the issues. The way they decide what politics they want to support is to decide WHO THEY WANT TO BE LIKE. They go for the Liberals because they are cool and people like them. (I know they're not really cool, but that's the perception). The media is all Liberal, and Canadians like to fit in. Young people go for the Green Party because it makes them feel like rebels.

We're only going to get people coming to the Conservative side (assuming the Conservatives are the ones who take Keith Martin's baton and run with it) by showing people that they want to be like US--principled, consistent, honest, and even fun.

So by all means crack some jokes. But if we come across as angry bigots (I know we're not the bigots, but it's perception we're talking about here), then people aren't going to want to be like us. And that's how we make all political decisions in Canada. We need to come across as fun, with the times, and modern. We can do this because the facts are on our side. So it shouldn't be a burden.

And for the umpteenth time, I'm not saying Ezra should cool down (though on his blog he admitted himself that he wished he had turned the tone down a little that day). We need him as OUR emotional outlet. But then let's get back to doing the work of reasonably convincing everybody else.

Yelling at other Canadians that they're letting bigots take over the country is just going to make you look like a freak. It doesn't matter where the facts actually lie, that's not how you convince someone. It's as simple as that.

Lori, it is my belief that the Hrc's would not even exist, if Canadians were not cowards, and had spoken up against them with passion in the first place. There is no logical reason to exhibit a thimble full of respect to the hrc's, or their horde of left-lib minions.

The hrc's must be dismantled in a rude fierce way, as to ensure they can never be formed again and used as tool of the left-libs to control media, and information.

Okay, I see now that Kathy has put it up on her website that I said Ezra was too rude, which I did NOT! I said Ezra was doing a great job rallying the troops, and the rest of us now have to do our jobs. I didn't say Ezra should change one bit.

But, I stand with Lori that we need to tread carefully. Of course we all hate the fact that Canada is wimpy. Of course we would like to just let out all this crap that's inside us that's been enraging us for years. But that's not how things get done.

Letters to MPs which are respectful but firm, and state that this is an issue upon which we will be voting, are very effective. Letters that are filled with expletives or rants are not. The office just assumes you're a lunatic or a fringe element, and they know fringe elements don't convince anyone of anything. A strong, principled, articulate letter on the other hand makes people sit up and notice.

It's the same thing when we're speaking to people. Ultimately 95% of Canada doesn't really think about the issues. The way they decide what politics they want to support is to decide WHO THEY WANT TO BE LIKE. They go for the Liberals because they are cool and people like them. (I know they're not really cool, but that's the perception). The media is all Liberal, and Canadians like to fit in. Young people go for the Green Party because it makes them feel like rebels.

We're only going to get people coming to the Conservative side (assuming the Conservatives are the ones who take Keith Martin's baton and run with it) by showing people that they want to be like US--principled, consistent, honest, and even fun.

So by all means crack some jokes. But if we come across as angry bigots (I know we're not the bigots, but it's perception we're talking about here), then people aren't going to want to be like us. And that's how we make all political decisions in Canada. We need to come across as fun, with the times, and modern. We can do this because the facts are on our side. So it shouldn't be a burden.

And for the umpteenth time, I'm not saying Ezra should cool down (though on his blog he admitted himself that he wished he had turned the tone down a little that day). We need him as OUR emotional outlet. But then let's get back to doing the work of reasonably convincing everybody else.

Yelling at other Canadians that they're letting bigots take over the country is just going to make you look like a freak. It doesn't matter where the facts actually lie, that's not how you convince someone. It's as simple as that.

Sorry for the double post! I got a note on the computer saying it hadn't gone through. Should have checked first.

Elizabeth, EBD, and everyone else, I've no issue with respectful disagreement.

We are all the same side. It's a question of tactics and of multi-pronged assaults on a well-entrenched and powerful enemy.

I've been part of this HRC thing for longer than most. Ezra has my full support and several hundred dollars of my money. I'm trying to figure out a way to get to see him in Toronto so I can shake his hand.

There is the Bar Association meeting on June 16, or the IdeaCity meeting June 19 in Toronto. The second one is bizarre. It's disgraceful that they stuck him in the "Potpourri" session with the "7 fingers acrobatic spectacle", the Inuit Art/Film pioneer, and the Origami Master. WTF?

http://www.ideacityonline.com/08-agenda.html
(day 2, session 5)

There is one tactic I would suggest to Steyn and Ezra, to get the attention of the Canadian public, because the msm is ignoring this historical event.

I would suggest they moon the hrc tribunal judges, and their koranic clowns.

Nothing like a good mooning to catch the attention of the public.

SheilaG. I didn't see your post before making min. I think you've stated it better than I did. Thanks.

Fine, Warman and the rest of these miscreants do not deserve any respect. Ezra is not over the top. There isn't any apparent malice on his part. Lampooning the fool and liar, Fine, seems to be Ezra's style. Publicly flogging him with factual evidence, until the villan is laid bare for all to see.

I also agree with others that the typical Canadian 'niceness' must not apply to the human rust that is eating Canada from within.

Lori: He has said he will retire after the next election, which says to me he will run in it. After that perhaps he will reassess.

Remarkable piece that you linked to re Mr. Martin. I fully expected it to end with him walking on water. Honestly, I don't think I have ever seen as long and complimentary piece on any other MP.

As for him leaving the CA over social issues, that illustrates my point. CA was further left than the Reform was on social issues. This Party should have been more to Mr. Martins liking that the Reform - where he began his political career. Why would you run for the leadership of a Party if you did not like what it stood for.

I can think of another person who did the same thing - Belinda Stronach - and used the same excuse when she left it.

I have watched Mr. Martin throughout his career, and in my opinion he is a political opportunist.

I agree that partisan politics will not solve this mess. So where are all of the Lib MP's who should be lining up behind Mr. Martin?

As I said before its easy for Mr. Martin to do what he is doing. There is no downside for him, and the media will, instead of criticizing him for "being against human rights", lionize him for exposing the faults of the HRC's, and he knows it. (your linked article is a great example of the pedastal that is being built for him to stand upon)

When he stands up and starts calling his own Party and its leadership out on this issue, I will give him more leway.

Until then my concerns will remain in place.

Isn't it entrapment if you post a bunch of crap, to get other people to post other crap, then charge them for their posting of said crap?
Geez. Justice, North Korea style, coming to an Alberta HRC near you.

By the way, it's all fine and good to blast them for being a bunch of jackbooting punks, but how, politically, can anyone really do anything about these guys?

If Harper moves to slam these HRC's, suddenly, once again, he's a big racist bigot, a part of the big racist bigoted Conservative party, that wants troops in our cities with guns, and to deport all immigrants, be afraid, very afraid, we didn't make this up, drumroll... Choose Your Canada.

Harper won't touch this with a 10 foot pole, even though he should.

Terminate all Canadian Human Rights Commissions right now. Where is the Conservative government on this matter? Disband them all! Keep up the fight Ezra.

Meany ,Harper could easily thank liberal member what's name who has a bill to rip up sec 13.
He can praise the co-operation blah blah blah of the esteemed liberal collegue and back his bill.
Cake, baby!

The arrogance of the HRC twit was sickening.

Until the Federal MP's and Provincial MLA's show the intestinal fortitude to take the dictatorial power away from these kangaroo courts or even disband the HRC's and subsequent HRT's bullying by section 13, et al, will never stop.