When I read things like this, I immediately recall William F. Buckley's comment that he would rather be governed by the first thousand names in the Boston telephone book than by the Harvard faculty.

Apparently JD Wood from Toronto Canada would favour appointmenting only Muslims and Jews to our Senate. There'd be no danger of them inviting anyone to a pig roast. As for me, I think Ann Coulter should be imported and given complete authority to appoint whomever she chooses for the rest of her life.

and the flaw in his "argument" is that the people doing the appointing fall in to the mental midget category.

Think Cruton. Think Martin.

The Reform Party is still around??!!

Hey Woody, time for your Soma pill.

The "...from Toronto, Canada" part is kind of redundant, isn't it?

I think the flaw in his argument is that he assumes it's HIS people that would be doing the governing.

HIS people require protection from OUR people to do anything.

In a non-democratic society, HIS people are usually the first to eat a bullet. Perhaps he's on to something...

He is also the kind of obnoxious a-hole to assume that anyone not of HIS type must be ignorant and uneducated when the opposite is generally true. Socialists require a stupid, poorly educated and ignorant populace so they can fool the people as often as possible and marginalise those who can't be fooled. Socialism requires the adoption of the state's lies by all.

As for education, I'll put mine up against his any day.

I had the misfortune of living in Toronto. It's full of the worst sort of people. Sociology degrees don't constitute and education but the attainment of a facsimile of an education. Too many stupid liberals assume that their empty-headed humanities degrees have taught them anything. It amazes me that some half-wit sociologist looks down the end of their nose at electricians and plumbers. Aside from the fact that minimum-wage call centres are filled with worthless humanities degrees and electricians and plumbers are some of the highest paid people in society, that these trades take learning (aka an education) and skill is beyond the comprehension of these effete, latte-swilling pansy-ass fools.

Kathy Shaidle @ 11:38 AM -

The Reform Party is still around??!!

No Kathy, but some of us old members in Ontario are waiting for the BC HRC's "hate speech trial" outcome.

We may have to resurrect in Alberta and "SEPARATE" to a truly FREE country!!

So there, MR. J.D. Wood!!

"... I would RATHER have an "elitist" in the senate "

Me too, unfortunately for him that precludes, not so much pork BBQ and Beer types, but anyone appointed by a career politician.

I'd love to have an elite senate. "elite" (Defined as a truly superior individual: Morally, intellectually, etc...)

Since we won't agree on who is a demigod(dess) of wisdom, geographically elected numpties that will work towards protecting their province from the central governments grasping bureaucrats will have to do.

That's what I like about the US Senate before they made them elected ( a massive catastrophe for governance) they were unelected Hacks, but they were unelected hacks that belonged to the state political machines. Senators looked after the states, reps looked after the people.

Kind of like the house of lords before it was debauched in the UK, a bunch of hereditary numpties, some ecclesiatical types, senior lawyers, and such. People likely to be concerned with not rocking the boat too much or too fast, and concerned with with their own provinces/shire's interests.

A BRAKE on demagogic concentration and wild flights of political fancy.

People with slightly longer horizons of interest that the next election.

"Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value. -- Dean Steacy, Canadian Human Rights Commission."

Wood from TO:"This [an elected senate] so called U.S. idea of "elitism" is absurd...".

Aunty-American is ranting, raving, and resident in TO. Lock her up again Pa.

So Wood would rather NOT have democracy if it means some of HIS people would not be elected. Typical leftist bullsh**. He's an elitist pig. He should consider moving permanently to Cuba.

Heh, this Mr. Wood is fun. His post is filled with so many unexamined assumptions that one has to conclude that he is, indeed, an ignoramus, all by his own unexamined ego.

He assumes that Senate appointments are made on the basis of 'wisdom, education and experience'. He's wrong; they are made on the basis of patronage and favours-owed. Mr. Wood can't prove that the Senate is filled with people of 'wisdom, education and experience'. But we can certainly prove the opposite.

He then assumes that an elected representative lacks 'wisdom, education and experience'. Proof required. So, anyone who is elected is ignorant. Heh. That's fun. Are they ignorant before or after the election?

Of course, his firm belief that the electorate is a morass of ignorance requires that he either, himself, be defined as a non-member of this electorate...or..is he saying that he alone would elect someone who has 'wisdom, education and experience' while the rest of us twits would reject such qualities? Gosh, he's fun.

And if he assumes that someone who is elected is..etc..unwise, then, how can he justify this elected person, the PM, having the brains to appoint someone of 'wisdom, education and experience' to that esteemed Senate?

Since no-one, according to Mr. Wood, who is elected by the electorate, has any brains, then, how the heck would any appointments to anything be made? Who would appoint these Superior Beings?

Ahh..now it's clear. Mr. Wood, a Platonist totalitarian, is opting for the elite hereditary class who are superior, by birth, not by being recognized as such by their equals.

If you look at most politicians who are elected (including Liberals, Conservatives, and the communist NDP) they will soon sacrifice their principles in order to remain popular which results in bad government.

The alternative of appointed officials is about the only thing worse because (at least) when an elected official goes way too far you have the ability to get rid of them before the damage gets too bad; and you have the slight possibility of electing a politician who will actually be able to repair the damage.

Democracy doesn't work but it is still the best form of government ...

The complete and utter arrogance displayed in the attitude by JD Wood"headed" could not be more breathtaking.

This is the proposition that government hacks actually think they know what they are doing.

It is pretty plain by the weight of history that governments tend to err on a pretty consistent basis.

At least by election the populace can take corrective action, rather than waiting for Divine Providence or a 40 year retirement.

I would be okay with 8 - 10 year terms for Senators.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP

Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion

2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von
Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)

Knecht Rupprecht Division

Hans Corps

1st Saint Nicolaas Army

Army Group "True North"

JD Wood is a nut that posts all the time on the G&M comment sections.

I rarely read the G&M, and even more rarely read the comments, but on every occasion that I have done so, without fail there has been JD Wood posting his silly stuff. His comments regularly appear at or very near the top of the list, which suggests that he must literally sit in front of the G&M website all day waiting to comment.

In general if you want to see the childish nature of the G&M readership, take a peek at the comments.

"The Reform Party is still around??!!" Posted by: Kathy Shaidle

Yes, in their elitist mind, they are, as is a nazi infestation of Canada, among many, many other things the rest of us must not be made privy to.

His comment is proof positive that Liberal leftism is a mental disorder. It's all about elitist (hero) worship... Gore, Obama, Suzuki etc.

Reality, logic and facts have no impact on such leftist sycophants as Mr. Wood.

Now that Saskatchewan is going to look into electing Senators, I hope that a draft Kate movement begins...

Ahh, J.D.Wood is so "correct". Examine the fine specimens adorning the Senate now, appointed bagmen, political hacks, and liberal press and media types. They certainly are the elite!

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

Winston Churchill

So JD Wood is worried the Senate might get infested with the wrong kinda folks. Jeezus, he's preaching from the right location in the country to assume he's what he seems, a condescending prig at best and at worst a real arsehole. More proof Harper is on the right track in dealing with changes to the House of Patronage rewards.

JD Wood is the perfect spokesman for the liberals. I hope that Master Trudeau hires him as chief advisor, or maybe speech writer. His message needs to be spread all across the nation.

JD seems so upset, it's almost as if he sees his chance of an appointment to the upper chamber going to shambles.

Maybe "J.D. Wood" is a senator already.

The woodman is describing the original conception behind the House of Lords....of course there you had property owners and existing Dukes etc...It is a surprisingly 'conservative' thought, quaint in its intent nowadays.

What parts of it are worth keeping, certainly longer electoral timeframes, per the US Senate, so that they arent subject to the same electoral buffering that the house of Rep is. But other than that there isnt much left. Of course this thought is more common amongst those who would be part of that elite....Gosh I wonder who their MP is and if he/she invites him over for pig roasts.

They may not be a Liberal but an old tory, as in the P part of the old PC party. It fits that profile a little better.

"Mr. Wood can't prove that the Senate is filled with people of 'wisdom, education and experience'."

He doesn't have to prove it. He can 'feel' it.

There's nothing really to comment on. This mouth breather is so far gone he's a hopeless waste of oxygen.

Put him and Maudlin in a boat and torpedo it.

Frank Mahovlich an intellect ?

Woody thinks the Reform Party is screwing up Canada!!!???

Yeah right....

Don't you love those eastern bastards that should freeze in the dark? JD Wood should know that out west here we have more fear for the stupidity of idiots like him and the governments they elect than we do electing senators. If this dolt had his way he'd be see a Liberal Prime Minister appointing Members of Parliament rather than electing them. Actually that is exactly what the Leader of the Opposition, Borat Dijon, tried to do in a northern Saskatchewan by-election. Got his ass kicked good for it too. Harper's boy won that one. How did that go over with you, Wood?

Could we have some dates and locations for the beer an roast pork please ?

So what's wrong with pig roasts and beer parties??

Didn't Hitler shun the thought of elections!!

The only person I've seen more angry at the PM then JD Wood is Jim Travers. In fact, now that I think about it, there is a similarity in their thought process. Senate seat jealousy can cause great personal distress, loss of rational thought processes and overt hostility to those in power. See the TO Star for examples.

Well cantuc...I was just about to invite everyone here (Northern Ontario) and all my Reform Party friends from way back(yes we had some in Ontario)
will be ready to 'roast' the Trawnna elite...just for a laugh.
JR Wood sounds like my family in Toronto...they hate Harper and Harris.They exist in a bubble...

Re: mecheng at May 22, 2008 12:14 PM

I agree totally. Senator McMillan would certainly be no party hack and would definitly do a bang up job of it. She would certainly wake up the "old folk's home".

test

Meanwhile, while the adult supervision is out, the Torona Liberals eat each other. Churnuk disses Spinsella, Churnuk gets slapped silly. I won't link it.

I'll take Bert Brown over any one of the "educated specialists with advanced knowledge" currently sucking up oxygen in the Senate.

I'm so ignorant that I actually think it's a good idea to let the governed have a say in who gets to govern.

Thank you Woodporter for remembering Churchill's commentary on democracy after NoOne's version got me trying to bring it out of the cobwebs of memory.

As to the verbal diarrea from ol Woodsy there.....Anyone have some Pepto to feed JD?

No way irwin daisy, Mk 48s are way too expensive to be wasting on the likes of JD and Johnny.

And adifferentbob? How many times do you folks need to be reminded that Ontario is not in the east, it is in the west.

Health tip for the day:

If invited to a pig roast and beer party, remember to take your popcorn. Fiber is your friend.

Frank Mahovolich as a "deep thinker"? I grew up with Frank in Leaside and all I can say that he sure must have fooled a lot of people if twaddle statements like that are being made.

I'm sure that at least half the Liberal senators are failed or dunce politicians, or significant faithful/contributors, which is why they got there, but to be categorized as "deep thinkers"? Get real.

bluetech: "JR Wood sounds like my family in Toronto..."
Tree decades ago my entire extended family voted Liberal. Today there are only a couple of holdouts and they think exactly as JR Wood. Only in Canada; you say?

I too think an elected Senate is silly. The U.S.A. started with a senate where the members were appointed by the states and then they amended their constitution to elect senators; the former was better as today's U.S. senators have their own political agendas rather than representing the interests of their states; I believe there are commentators in the VRWC who would like the amendment reversed.

In Canada the Prime Minister gets a list from the provinces as advice and then recommends to the Governor General names therefrom or otherwise. If the Prime Minister simply took the provincial recommendations we'd be better served as the Senate would serve its purpose of representing provincial interests.

If a province wants to stage elections, fine (e.g., Mulroney with Waters, Harper with Brown). If they don't, fine. Pick them however you want to and we'll all be confederally happy.

I am well-acquainted with JD; his posts on the U.S. Presidential election (at the Globe and Mail) are borderline psychotic and legendary in their moonbattery. Feel free to counter-post at the G & M! LOL.

"If this dolt had his way he'd be see a Liberal Prime Minister appointing Members of Parliament rather than electing them"

The gears are already being oiled. What you describe is called "Proportional Representation".

Mr. Wood clearly misunderstands Western political traditions. Democratic theory does NOT assume that people will necessarily vote for policies that are "wise" or that are "best for all concerned". On the contrary, it assumes, realistically I think, that people will selfishly vote for measures they perceive as best for themselves. Out of the compromises that must inevitably be made, some approximation of the "greatest good" is anticipated. In this regard, democratic theory resembles our legal system, which does NOT demand that a lawyer pursue "justice" for his client. Rather, a lawyer is expected to obtain for his client the best outcome possible, whether that outcome is "just" or not. Out of the legal wrangling that ensues, some approximation of justice hopefully emerges.

Actually, in responding to Mr. Wood, I've ignored my initial reaction, which is that his remarks are so monumentally stupid as to constitute their own rebuttal.

When I eventually realize my aspirations and become Generalissimo-President-for-Life-Most-Exalted-Dictator-Grand-Pooh-Bah, I only hope that everyone in the country will be like JD Wood and his Toronto ilk. Sheep herding is actually work; sheep like him will herd themselves -- right into my Gulags and firing squads.

JD Wood is a typical liberal elitist supercilious twit
who won't be happy until the entire country is mired in a miasma of decrepitude just like Toronto

Proof, if it were needed, that there is no shortage of folks who consider themselves modern and - there's that word - "progressive", who would favour a government organized on lines closer to a monarchy than real democracy. And most of them read Vanity Fair magazine, and not just for the juicy D. Dunne stories on rich people killing each other.

Hey, you know what? The scary thing is that JD in all his wisdom pretty much captures the zeitgeist of any one of our major universities or erstwhile cultural institutions. He just states the matter in somewhat un-subtle form. It is the liberal man's burden to rule the sweaty masses (he is told) and the buy-in for the kids is that you too can be one of the chosen few. This is heady stuff, especially for young folks who thanks to the administration of said same elites, are left with little in the way of a sense of themselves.

Good comment wes. 'Deserves a special mention on front page imo.

JD Wood is little more than a G&M plant. He/she/it very often is the first poster on a number of subjects. The entire G&M website comments section is highly manipulated by the G&M and they even play little games like making it appear that your comments are posted when they really aren't. It is typically biased as one would expect from the G&M. They have another guy who always claims to be a global warming expert with his own website which is little more than connections to UN propaganda.

Atlantic Jim - LOL I guess you'd think that Ontario is in the West however while it is west of you it is quite a way east of me. Lets settle on "central" Canada.

Does anyone remember a few short years ago when that deep thinking "musician" the great Tommy Banks was bleating that we needed 1.40 a litre gas to slow usage and save the "planet", oh yes now the two bit twit from the dope infested jazz world got his wish and it is Harpers fault the imbecile liberals and ndpeers think, unreal. As far as Jerk Dick Wood in the gloat and wail, well that says all you need to know about Toronto, over the years I have had to hire a few of Ontarios excrements that moved here to Alberta, it is quite possible that they have a few useful people in that province but if the limp dicks they send out here are any indication, well move west kingston lad we need thinkers like you and keep the fools like Woods in Toronto, the cesspool on the lake!

"chosen for their wisdom, education and experience..", this caused me to fall off my chair due to laughing so hard. Surely this man should seek medical treatment or be locked up.

Sounds like nothing but a Liberal talking hat to me.

If JD Wood's doctor had as much relevant wisdom and education as the average senator, I think he'd actually prefer to be diagnosed by the "average democratic ignorance of the people".

Please, Many of us from Ontario are embarrased as it is over the electoral record of our province.
We keep fighting the fight and hope that such matters are at least cyclical.
To be constantly belittled by our Conservative brothers from other provinces, is maddening.
If you have any ideas to help the situation please pass them along.
Forgetting that the Ontario you love to slag, is populated by millions like yourself, shows that you may be somewhat juvenile.

Warwick at 11:46. Great rant!

Although I think I wasted about 10 seconds reading the article by the JD guy, I did enjoy some of the ideas. Mainly-draft Kate for a Senate election, she would make us all proud and could have a profound impact on the Senate as it exists today.
Atlantic Jim-Lol
Westerners know where the border ends and we can't tell you.

maybe he is just trying to change the channel on the really bad news in TorStar toady that Steffi has hit 10% in the polls and continues to dig.

Time for a new policy . . . hmmmm let's increase taxes on energy !!

This country has a cramp in its Upper Canada.

"The senate exists to protect the electorate from itself" -- Ayep, and that's pretty much why Toronto Liberals exist, to protect Canada from non-GTA Canadians.

Hunter at climbingoutofthedark just posted a YouTube of the prime minister doing that very un-Canadian (by virtue of being un-LPC) thing of actually answering, intelligently and respectfully, the questions that are asked of him -- made possible in this case because he was not surrounded by LPC operative buffet-remora. The first person to comment on the video, "Simcoevideo", types:

"Canada-hating dirtbag. I haven't heard so many references to 'liberals' since Bin Ladens last video...."

(note: the prime minister didn't use the word 'liberal' once)

"...Harper and his antiCanadian cells must go...These terrorists fear the media for a reason -- all terrorists hate having light shed on their activities."

It's almost cute.

Doowleb, I think the dissatisfaction is really with the "Toronto Elite", not all Ontarians. God forbid. We have Ontarians here on this board, exemplary conservative Canadians to be sure and proud to have 'em too.

"The senate exists to protect the electorate from itself...."

But this so-called 'elitism' is not absurd.

I read some of the comments at the glob and flail, one from Bill Harrison caught my eye - whining for a Senator for the Yukon. The Yukon is sadly misunderstood by the rest of Canada. The Yukon used to be a wonderful, free enterprise based territory that was home to individuals who were so independant that they basically ignored all gument. We had a MP (Eric Nielson) who understood us and the world that we all loved, protected, and stupidly; took for granted.

In the late 80's the Yukon lost it's soul: Eric quit and the Territorial (Conservative) outfit tried to become 'sophisticated'(they wanted to 'clean up with southern eastern ideas), lost their supporters and a dipper gov't was allowed to take over (real Yukoners didn't vote). After that horrible event, Yukoners moved out in droves because the dippers made life here impossible for independant miners/businessmen to make a living. After the dippers flushed out all but a handful of real Yukoners the Puffins moved in for the kill -Crouton and the environmental fanatics - Johnny Crouton promised Aline that the Yukon could be her own Park!! A park it is - it is a luxury welfare park totally dependant on Federal transfers from the producers of wealth in southern Canada.

The Yukon needs no more politicians bleating at the Feds for more $$. If I were a southern taxpayer I would resent paying a whole territory of paper shufflers BIG subsidized wages (plus Norther allowances and free airfare for themselves and their families to southern destinations twice a year). The min gov't wage (for a dishwasher!) is $23.92 per hour.

Worse yet,(to add insult to injury) the territorial government is busy negotiating with China to allow the Chinese to bring in their own slave labour to haul out our precious metals ( Canadians and Americans cannot afford to mine here because we must follow environmental/WCB rules and we must pay the hired help!). No squawks from the greenies about the planned Chinese rape...funny how that is.

The Yukon needs 'help' alright but not the kind that Bill Harrison (who is an artist and probably wants the Senate job!) suggests...the Yukon needs to move off the Fed government banquet table and get a all grown up survival plan in place. This territory has been the howling baby of the Confederation who refuses to grow up or even feed him/her self. The 'baby' is adopted and comes from a failed genetic line.

We do not require an appointed Senator to add to the bill.

Hey, I'm from Ontario. I'm no leftard.

Leftards are national. They even have them in Alberta, albeit in small numbers and they get to hunt them on Sundays...

3 easy steps to solve JD's malcontent with Canada. Convert to Islam, marry a Muslim and move to Kuwait. You will be forever ruled by elitists...your wet dream come true!!

One less Progressive in Canada will be a good start!

Journalism was my first career out of university, and I met a lot of politicians for the first time in my life. I was sufficiently naive to be surprised at finding out there was nothing special about most of the people we elect. There's lots of exceptions, most aren't as bad as we enjoy thinking, but anybody who has some kind of trust in their special abilities is a moron.

Ah, yes. Mr. Wood.

If I may take the liberty of translating his verbal bowel movement into English, Mr. Wood means that people are stupid and must be controlled.

Its a popular conceit here in Ontario, one that I've been running in to a lot lately. Every time I do I have to restrain myself from screaming "Control THIS you @(*%)^%%!!!" and knocking the offending moron on their tea kettle.

Restraint is good. We like restraint. Restraiiiint, Phantom.

Well, if what is happening in Ontario right now is any indication of how these arsehole libranos would run the country, man we would be in deep trouble.

And, as an original Ontario member of the Reform Party, I have never been forgiven by the local "elites" for being a very loud front man for the movement. They are still seething about the fact that us Reformers propelled Mike Harris(Ontario's 2nd best premier ever, next to Bill Davis)into power, and, at best, put the brakes on the next generation of "progressive" social engineering.

Toronto is turning into a sewer, the tourists have stopped coming because of the crime and filth, their real estate is now starting to depreciate and the auto industry is heading for a free fall.

They have to blame someone, and the Reform Party seems to be just as good as a straw man as any other disbanded group(LMAO).

As a lifelong resident of Ontario, I am ashamed and humiliated by these "elitist" buffoons who think they have some god given right to pick my pocket and tell me how to live my life.

VOTE REFORM !

GO ARMY !

Dooeleb, Sounder and Warwick.
Include me in your group. Definitely many people confuse the Toronto Elite with the rest of us Ontarians.

Atlanticjim--you are wrong-TO is eastern.
"THE REFORM PARTY" motto was west want in!
Harper sold us out with B.S and Peter M
"THE NEW REFORM PARTY"motto should be the west wants out!
NEW WEST FREE WEST **WESTERN CANADA**
we did not a get a accord=vote buy by lieberals

Kingstonlad. I agree with everything you say with the exception of Bill Davis. He did irrepairable
harm to the province with his funding for Catholic Schools as well as his adoption of the infamous Hall-Dennis Report. Davis, in his dotage,
turned liberal and basically fomented the "progressive" movement in Ontario.
Gimme the old curmudgeons Leslie Frost and George Drew any day over Davis.

Maybe so, but he built the infrastructure we have today, including our world class college system(much to the chagrin of the asswipe university crowd).

And as far as the catholic schools are concerned, my non catholic daughter attended one, and she could not have went to a better school.(Regiopolis Notre Dame, Canada's first high school).

WOW

As a western canadian, I feel horribly offened by all of JD's comments. Where is the OHRC to relieve the horrendous pain and suffering this man has inflicted upon me.

Sorry the tears were in my eyes, that would be offended not offened.

LOL the socialist leftards are showing their true colors, don't let the unwashed masses vote for what's important in Canada let the elite tell them what's important. Anyone have any doubts that the socialist leftards are communist in their beliefs??? Total control of this country whilst we sit home and play good dog to our masters.

Not in this life time.

I just attended a pig roast on the long weekend in backwoods Ab.JD and by golly there was some beer there also. Was a great time had by all and with some of the finest folks this country has produced. Oh by the way it was also a 90th b-day party for my mother-in-law.I don't think there was ever a time any of them ever voted Lieberal either.We like our politicians honest like the Conservatives, no need to be passing brown paper bags of money to our friends as we are all hard working and independent.By the way has anyone seen that 40 million the Lieberals stole from all us hard working taxpayers?

"...chosen for their wisdom, education, and experience..."? Give me a break! This bunch of leeches from the public purse are appointed because of party affiliation, party loyalty, and their ability to raise money for the party. Watch them on any public affairs program and they hew to the party line like it was the gospel. There is no 'sober, second thought'. It is obvious that partisanship drives them as much as it does the goofs we get to elect. The only consideration is: what does the party want.

dp

I agree, we need to let guys like this cut the grass so the snakes will show. People use suppression of speech to hide their actions. I would rather have a racist use the "n" bomb than keep it to himself. at least this way I know who the 'A'hole is.

wes

I also agree with your post. IMO the aforementioned groups(social workers, teachers ect) have what I call "wage envy". It picks their asses that the plumbers and such make more money than they do. From their perspective the rest of us just don't understand how important they are. One time a a caller on J.Gormely complained that nurses were making too much money because his girlfriend was in school twice as long to be a pharmacist and made quite a bit less. I went to school for half that of a nurse, I wonder what he thinks I should make.

dooleb

I can appreciate what you are saying, but I still hold Ontarians responsible for their voting record. Two of my favorite posters on this site are apparently form Ont.(Warwick/Phantom), odiously you cannot paint everyone with the same brush but the lines have been drawn. The way I see it is this:

The people of Ontario are the greatest threat to out way of life in Western Canada.

Joe molnar

I'm with you, I've said before (and I'm feeling a little cocky) to the people of Ontario:

I dare you to elect a Liberal majority government and impose a F Alberta/Sask tax.

the senate. why?????????????????????????. i have never read or heard any valid argument why it should exist anywhere. the u.s. senate is not needed, the house od lords is not needed and the canadian senate is a waste of toilet paper.

Great Britain has the House of "Lards", we have the house of "Lard Asses".

of lords.

Conservative Party of Canada Ontario Caucus

Total: 41 MPs.
http://tinyurl.com/6sam7f
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"The Conservative Party of Canada’s Policy Convention will be held at the Winnipeg Convention Centre from November 13 – 15, 2008.

More information will be posted as it becomes available."
http://tinyurl.com/6g2obt
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What’s wrong with a pig roast and beer?

I suggest offended elitists may consider that in the future they will be relating the unpalatable culinary event as a guarded memory to their grandchildren.
Hopefully they will not report you to the local imam on their way to the madrasa, but hey kids will be kids. The whole arrest torture and jizya (poll-tax) thingy may make some keep those memories more private but in the meantime bon appetite!

Knight 99:

Canuckleheads of Hun descent would be having "SAURBRATEN" and beer.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP

Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion

2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von
Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)

Knecht Rupprecht Division

Hans Corps

1st Saint Nicolaas Army

Army Group "True North"

what is the G&M

JD is a well known lefty who seems to make a living posting socialist crap on any blog that'll accept him.
My suspicions are that he's really posting from some rat hole in Kandahar. It's better to ignore him.

Knight 99: That was a darn good piggy that was roasted last weekend.Never tasted the beer as I prefer vodka-soda-----have to watch the waist ya know.

[quote] i have never read or heard any valid argument why it should exist anywhere. the u.s. senate is not needed [/quote]

Old white Guy.
Without the US senate we would not exist, the Senate makes all States equal regardless of Population... The Senate is more powerful, than the House of Representatives, because bi-partisan "deals" must take place between States.

Why would any State want to be "United" with the large populations of NY or California?

The Senate evens the game and prevents large States from feeding on the small States!

The bubble has burst in Ontario economically wise. Soon just having a job will be a big deal. These kind of idiots will have to find new jobs, because the populace will not be able to finance stupidity.

Survival issues will take care of that as socialisms curse catches up with this Province.

There are day's I figure this Country is finished. To far gone down the Mugabe trail. Now with “Crime Stoppers” issuing hate crime messages its even worse. Our sins are catching up to us.

Harper was the last squirt the West produced to fertilize a Nation gone awry , barren of ideas with statism as its primal goal a collective Monopolistic Nation of mooches. Last hope of any real sanity coming back to Canada. That dream is about dead now as the totalitarian machine seems to be gearing up for a big push to eliminate any vestiges of any rights. Including voting. After all we just care about beer & popcorn in these small minds & as unruly children should be punished for daring to question their betters. PET. with his imps had 40 years to contaminate the institutions of this Country. Now we reap this bitter harvest, while the rats frolic in what’s left of the corn.

That this aristocratic mentality exists with scorn heaped upon cherished ideals by an Eastern establishment sunk in an opium dream. Can only infect the rest of this polity as these HRC's are doing. This group of so called intelligentsia seems psychotically broken from any awareness of reasonableness, or how the universe works. Least of all people.

When this type of distain for the public has germinated this much it becomes the norm , the game is about over.

Perhaps we ought to think about leaving this creature that was Canada with nobody having a clue what it is today, or what it used to stand for. The thousands that died for ideals now ridiculed if not condemned by our leaders. 800 years of tradition spit on for the gain of insane peoples power ,with of course the riches they believe they deserve for just being “righteous“.

Just my opinion

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Old white guy:

As an electrical engineer who studied control systems theory, I am completely in awe of the US political structure, designed as it was more than 100 years before control systems were even thought about.

The House is elected every two years, and the number of seats in each state is based on population. The House captures the popular sentiment of the times, and is the most volatile of the elected elements.

The Senate elects one third of its members every two years, and each senator serves a six year term. Except in unusual circumstances, each state elects zero or one senators on the two-year cycle. That is, the two senators are rarely elected together; this provides for a gap in sampling the country's mood, and thus the Senate is a much more conservative (in the sense that it rarely pushes for radical, as opposed to incremental, reform) body than the house.

The President is elected every four years, more or less by popular vote (the peculiarities of the electoral college sometimes change the result, but only when the election is very close to begin with). This samples the entire country for the most powerful post in the land.

From a control system point of view, we have the people who are ostensibly closest to their constituents (the House) sampled most frequently, the President, whose veto power gives him enormous ability to direct legislation, is sampled at half that rate, while the Senate is sampled most slowly - one third of the states have no senate election during House elections.

Three different sampling mechanisms on three different time frames for three different elements of the government - from a control system point of view, that means that system output will generally be better controlled than in a unitary system, such as Great Britain, where all the public is sampled for one body at irregular intervals. After the neutering of the House of Lords, Britain has bounced between hard-right Tories and loopy left Labour. In Canada, the split between federal and provincial powers, and the minority governments have kept us from straying too far in one direction, but once Dion is sent packing, it's a pretty sure bet the sheeple will once again give the Lieberals a majority - then just wait. Carbon taxes, rises in income taxes and the GST, publicly funded Lieberal indoctrination.. er, daycare centres, etc.

If we had a triple-E senate, we might be spared some of these atrocities. Don't hold your breath.

Having read comments by JD in the past, I am positive that an intelligent comment from this individual will eventually be made although probably by accident. It is inevitable. We all know the story of the monkeys and Shakespeare.

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