You'll find an anti-Semite;
Israel embody the vessel of boiling blood of horror and perfidy in demonic vileness for its pattern of terrorism and murder in the name of Zionist ideology. It has earned the arsenal of nuclear warheads through stolen intelligence in betrayal, estimated to number between 200 to over 500, through a covert development at Dimona underground nuclear reactor built in the late 50's, to which President Kennedy, as an anti-nuclear weapon peacenik who signed Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, objected and had considerable tense relationship with the then-Third Prime Minister David Ben Gurion before his abrupt resignation for "personal reasons" on June 21, 1963. After the murder of JFK, Israel has extended its Zionistic tentacle to grasp the United States by the neck to leech on to that manifest the radical foreign policy about-face to morally and materially support State of Israel in no uncertain (and unconditional) terms.
It should come as no surprise that the above post from the world o' Markos is rather run of the mill for the KOS kids.
Posted by: AtlanticJim at May 19, 2008 10:03 PMToday's little piece painting (literally) the south as nothing but KKK ready and willing to lynch BHO's nutter wife, is pretty edgy, even for them.
If you ever feel the need to get your blood pressure through the roof though, head over to huffingtonpost when it has been announced that someone famous from the right is ill. Now they have a real talent for sick and depraved rants.
Posted by: AtlanticJim at May 19, 2008 10:09 PMThe KOS kids are IMO, "retarded" -- thank you very much...
Posted by: Orlin at May 19, 2008 10:37 PM"Now they have a real talent for sick and depraved rants." .. AtlanticJim
That's because they are, all that.
Posted by: Sounder at May 19, 2008 10:41 PMDifferent critters, same hate. They, like the Islamic nutcases, seem to function on hate as their "raison d'etre". When they get on a run and are really pumped, it's all hate that they spew.
Sick Brew
Posted by: Pat at May 19, 2008 11:04 PMUntil I started to visit some of these sites out of curiosity I never really understood hatred. Boy was I naive.
As horrible as it sounds though better they peddle their swill online than going deeper under ground into deeper pits. To be logical we have to accord them the same free speech rights as ourselves. Its fundamental even this nutty stuff be exposed, for hilarity if not the insanity of it. For comparisons sake to authenticity in time honored proven historical precedent or stand up to Natural law scrutiny, if nothing else. Mostly I have felt trapped like I’m in an LCD flash back every time I go to one of these outlandish sites. Leaving feels like being fired by a bully boss. You skip as you leave.
As an afterthought why isn’t the HRC after them? Give it time I say.
Posted by: Revnant Dream at May 19, 2008 11:18 PMat the end of the Daily Kos "history lesson" is another poll going horribly wrong...
I wonder why they left out "leftarded" as a response?
Posted by: marc in calgary at May 19, 2008 11:23 PM"The marauding band of outlaws, infected with criminal affection for luscious violence and depravity in Zionistic fervor"
Luscious violence?
"the covetous Zionist movement multiply like cancer cells"
That's obviously anti-Semitic, not legitimate criticism of Israel's policies.
"November 22, 1963 coup d'etat in CIA-MOSSAD coordinated assassination of President Kennedy"
No, no, it was Osama bin Laden!
"Israel have disregarded an improbably high number of United Nations resolutions passed against Israel for its frequent human rights violation and warfare"
Yeah, because Israel have been singled out an improbably high number of times for relatively minor transgressions while the criminals running places like Burma or Zimbabwe are all but ignored.
Etc. etc.
The one thing that comes through loud and clear in this article is hatred against an identifiable group. Shall we alert the HRCs?
The quoted article sounds about right to me... I don't see anything anti-Semitic in pointing out Israel's nuclear holdings. As for them having obtained them by less-than-honest means, let's not forget the motto of the Mossad: "By way of deception, thou shalt do war".
Posted by: just askin... at May 20, 2008 12:02 AMRevnant: better an LCD flashback than an LED flashback.
Re the KOS or Huffington being linked to approvingly by the majority of "progressive" blogs in Canada.
As Joel at "Proud to be Canadian" often points out, this is also rich field harvested by our own CBC when looking for "experts" to validate their own agenda driven narratives. (though they simply omit that fact)
Posted by: ward at May 20, 2008 12:27 AMI was pleasantly surprised to read the comments after the diatribe and find posters there had almost entirely denounced it as the hateful, misleading and immature piece of anti-Semetic propaganda it was.
I guess their are some decent leftards out there after all.
Posted by: Canadian Observer at May 20, 2008 12:39 AMSomeone posted on this site that global warming caused by humans is a theory, it isn't. Gravity is a theory and things that we can't prove to law status are as well. Man made global warming is at best a hypothesis, meaning a possible explanation of observations if we could ever really develop a real test for it.
Many people not familiar with science will say things like "it is just a theory" or "it is one theory". There is and always is only one theory for something, a different theory would require the previous theory to be disproved before it could become a theory. In other words, if you wanted to push a different theory of gravity than the current, you would have to disprove the one we have now. In science, you can not advance a different theory without first disproving the current theory.
Lets look at the theory of gravity, it has an acceptance as a theory comparable to any other scientific theory, there is only one and we are really sure about it but aren't willing to make it a law like thermodynamic laws are.
In science, a theory has great weight, it is like a law but something that hasn't been completely and explicitly proven. There is no such thing as competing theories in science.
Posted by: Iain at May 20, 2008 1:24 AM"Israel embody the vessel of boiling blood of horror and perfidy in demonic vileness for its pattern of terrorism and murder in the name of Zionist ideology."
This sounds like it was written in a foreign language and then underwent an internet translation. Either that or the writer has a very loose and tenuous relationship with the English language.
Posted by: Richard Ball at May 20, 2008 5:47 AMWhile that's an overwrought and undoubtedly anti-semiticly motivated criticism, the Israelis are not completely innocent either.
Posted by: Christoph at May 20, 2008 5:49 AMThe Left seems to think that a lot of problems would be solved if Israel just went away.
What they are clearly incapable of seeing, is that the destruction of Israel would be seen as islam's greatest victory, and islamofascist recruitment would go through the roof.
And the likes of daily kos and huffpo are cheering for that.
Posted by: otter at May 20, 2008 6:49 AM... It has earned the arsenal of nuclear warheads through stolen intelligence in betrayal ... Israel has extended its Zionistic tentacle to grasp the United States by the neck to leech on to that manifest the radical foreign policy about-face to morally and materially support State of Israel in no uncertain (and unconditional) terms.
Pee-you! That is some of the most tortuous prose I've ever read. I think Richard is right; Google translator produced this.
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at May 20, 2008 8:07 AMVisit any of Canada's "mainstream" Liberal/left/Dipper blogs right now.
That isn't love your right of center sensibilities is feeling when you visit a Kinsella, a Red Tory or a Suzuki.
Posted by: summom bonum at May 20, 2008 10:38 AM"are"
Posted by: summom bonum at May 20, 2008 10:40 AMJust thought I'd point this out to those calling some of his comments anti-semitic:
Zionism means support for the creation of an independent Jewish state.
Now, does that have anything to do with Semite's? If I say that I don't believe in there being a nation for the indigenous people of Canada, am I suddenly ant-first-nation??? Not at all.
The criticism of _moderately left_ people is that the Zionist movement is a take no prisoners, do whatever you have to type of ideology. I believe Israel should have it's own state, but it's apartheid policies (it's up to you to judge whether they are appropriate or not, but they ARE apartheid in nature), etc. are all a disgusting side effect of this movement.
I agree though, it's an over the top rant.
Posted by: Jebus at May 20, 2008 1:48 PMThis is different from Linda Mcquag's vile screed how?
http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/426719
Posted by: Warwick at May 20, 2008 2:12 PMJebus,
"(it's up to you to judge whether they are appropriate or not, but they ARE apartheid in nature"
It is indisputable fact that Israeli citizens that are Arab Muslim (and there are more than 1,000,000 of them) have full, complete rights as citizens as do all other non-Jewish citizens. In fact, until Bush gave Iraqis the vote, Israel was the ONLY place in the ME where an Arab had that right.
There are even Arab Muslims in the Israeli Parliament.
If you think this is equal to Apartheid you are either:
A) sorely misinformed, or
B) retarded.
It's up to you to judge...
Posted by: Warwick at May 20, 2008 2:19 PM"let's not forget the motto of the Mossad: 'By way of deception, thou shalt do war'"
Sounds like the Muslims' taqqiya, doesn't it?
Posted by: sporadicus at May 20, 2008 2:29 PM"Sounds like the Muslims' taqqiya, doesn't it?"
No, it sounds like every intellegence service to have ever existed.
How else do you spy?
Using this line as a slur against Jews is one of the least intellegent I've heard.
Posted by: Warwick at May 20, 2008 2:34 PMOh, and as to the Arab's in parliament, I agree that's excellent that they have those, but they are mostly ignored by the ruling coalition, and are generally side-lined and/or ignored. Now, that's political, and not necessarily an intention slight against the Arab citizen's in Israel, but again it shows that they are not often consulted as to the direction of the country.
Posted by: Jebus at May 20, 2008 3:52 PMJebus,
Sort of like opposition parties in Canada?
I notice McShifty doesn't ask John Tory's opinion before enacting legislation in the Ontario parliament. That's representative democracy.
Posted by: Warwick at May 20, 2008 3:55 PMIt seems my post got caught in the spam filter because of links. Instead of posting links I guess I'll just refer anyone who wants to look to look at the Human Rights Watch website.
Warwick:
Sigh. So citizenship automatically infers that the specific people group in question are inherently treated equal in all circumstances? However much we'd like that to be true, it is in this case, not even close to being accurate.
I refer you to an extremely well sourced and documented report by Human Rights Watch regarding the education of Arab children in Israel:
Here are some quick facts gleaned from the article:
Table 21: Distribution of Teaching Hours for Special Education
Weekly special education hours for primary and secondary levels 1999-2000
Jewish schools: 85.9%
Arab schools: 14.1%
One third of all Arab children attend school in structures that HRW classify as "dangerous". Some schools were completely neglected by the municipal government, with trash filling the condemned areas of the school.
The distribution of teaching hours per student were as follows:
Jewish: 1.84
Arab: 1.51
Difference: 18% more time spent on Jewish children.
As to Arab schools class size, Arab classrooms had 18% more students on average. In terms of children per full time teacher, Jewish children had 20% more full time teachers working for them than Arab children did. Around 20% more Jewish schools had libraries than Arab schools did. Schools for the disadvantaged get even worse as 1/3 of disadvantaged children are Arab, but
Here's a link to the demolishing of Bedouin homes in Israel, and the subsequent construction of Jewish communities in their places:
The list goes on and on. I've looked on the HRW site for about 5 minutes to find this info, I'm sure amnesty and others have numerous instances of prejudice against the Arab population. Obviously Israel faces a difficult challenge of integrating peoples whom don't care for them very much, but they're the ones who invaded another country and occupied it.
Posted by: Jebus at May 20, 2008 4:03 PMWeekly special education hours for primary and secondary levels 1999-2000
Jewish schools: 85.9%
Arab schools: 14.1%
Well, (without looking it up) there are ~7 million people in Israel and ~1 million of them are Arab.
1 million is 14.3% of 7 million. Arabs received their per capita share then. What's the problem - aside from lack or math skills?
As far as teaching per student, the Arab birth rate is far higher than the Jewish birth rate. High population areas tend to be overcrowded and resources can be expected to be spread thinner.
That isn't proof of mistreatment so much as the mistreatment of statistics.
And, to the point, what portion of the taxes that go to pay for schools are paid by what group in comparason to what they receive? What do Arabs in Israel get in resources in comparason to what Hhezbollah or Hamas provide? Any other comparason is just propaganda.
Posted by: Warwick at May 20, 2008 4:11 PMWarwick:
"And, to the point, what portion of the taxes that go to pay for schools are paid by what group in comparason to what they receive?"
So let me get this straight, you believe that whatever a citizen inputs into society is what they should receive back from it in the form of education, and by extension, health care, opportunities, etc.?
I have no idea what Hamas donates, but whatever it is, it obviously wasn't very apparent when HWR did their study and found rusty old buildings that were clearly substandard.
As to the stats, I had links to the articles, so I didn't state it, but Arab children account for 20% of their demographic, so there IS a discrepancy.
"As far as teaching per student, the Arab birth rate is far higher than the Jewish birth rate. High population areas tend to be overcrowded and resources can be expected to be spread thinner."
It should in fact be more efficient if your population is concentrated and centralized within reason. Do you think it's cheaper for education systems to have spread out schools rurally, or dense urban populations?
Posted by: Jebus at May 20, 2008 4:26 PMNo, it isn't cheaper to run small schools. But then why are you harping on the Jews for spending less? Isn't the differenct efficiencies?
It is a fact than when you have booming population growth that your resources are stretched and your budgets don't keep up to demand. Much like Canadian health care. Are we running an apartheid state?
That there are "discrepancies" isn't noteworthy. That those discrepancies aren't much larger is. And given that the Jews are paying the bills it's more than you can rightly demand be provided. I'd say it's generous in fact.
I can also say that Jews don't have that same kindess returned to them in the rest of the ME. They've been kicked out of most places that they haven't been killed.
As for Hamas, do you not get that Hamas takes all the free money that is donated to them to impove the lives of Arabs and spends it on terror and death? The only jobs provided to Arabs by hamas are "dead-end" jobs like grave diggers and suicide bombers.
If you would like to see who the bad guys are, compare what Jews give Israeli Arabs vs what Hamas gives to Palistinial Arabs.
Yet you don't comprehend.
Posted by: Warwick at May 20, 2008 4:40 PMThat Kos drivel could easily have been found among the comments at Antonia Zerbiasis's odious blog, or at the blog of her bottom-feeding sycophant...
http://www.sooeys.com/blogs/sooeysays/2006/12/ms_zerbisias_comments.html
Posted by: Darius Jedburgh at May 20, 2008 4:55 PMWarwick:
I don't know what your sentence about efficiencies meant.
"It is a fact than when you have booming population growth that your resources are stretched and your budgets don't keep up to demand. Much like Canadian health care. Are we running an apartheid state?"
It is if we didn't give the same level of care or treatment to our indigenous population, or singled out Arab's, or American's who hold citizenship in Canada. Some would already say that particularly up north and on reserves we are discriminating greatly against our indigenous populations, but I'm more inclined to believe that the reserve system is broken and the treaties need to be re-written into something actually effective.
"That there are "discrepancies" isn't noteworthy"
Would be all that happy that your children are going to get an education that is on average 20% less adequate than someone else merely because of your race?
"I can also say that Jews don't have that same kindess returned to them in the rest of the ME. They've been kicked out of most places that they haven't been killed."
That's kind of because a few million of them immigrated into what was then Palestine governed by the British and through force took over the region since the current inhabitants weren't willing to share with them. So I'm not totally sure why we're suggesting that they "deserve" anything. They're the invaders here. Obviously they're here to stay, and the rest of the ME needs to realize this and get on with life and make peace, but either way, you can't claim the Israeli's are innocent victims here.
As I stated earlier, I have no idea what Hamas does or doesn't do for local Arab populations in Israel.
"If you would like to see who the bad guys are, compare what Jews give Israeli Arabs vs what Hamas gives to Palistinial Arabs."
That's like comparing one evil with another, apples to oranges, etc. it's not a valid comparison. If Israeli Arabs truly aren't being discriminated against, they should be treated equally economically, politically, socially, and in terms of their rights as citizens. Anything less is a form of apartheid. Instead of using that word I'm just going to say discrimination since apartheid is pretty sensationalist, just like the word "genocide" that everyone loves to throw around.
Posted by: Jebus at May 20, 2008 5:25 PMJebus -is that arab for jack ass? I digress - Canada spends less on Native Education than Non-Native Education, so you are just the pot calling the kettle black. Clean up your own back yard before you go looking for others to crap on- oh I forgot, your a Liberal - 12 years of Cretin Garbage and we still could not get it right- but then people like you - one death a tragedy a million a statistic - Liberal power is the important thing.
Posted by: mike in Ontario at May 22, 2008 7:58 PM