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May 16, 2008

Dutch Cartoonist Jailed

For this.

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Correction: The cartoon shown is from the Halifax Chronicle Herald, who are also being dragged before a HRC for publishing it. No jail time, though.

Yet.

Posted by Kate at May 16, 2008 5:20 PM
Comments

He should have just called for the death and beheading of people he didn't like -- seems that's not a crime in Holland.

Posted by: DrD at May 16, 2008 5:29 PM

Does this guy also need money for legal defense? If so, where do we send it?

Posted by: DrD at May 16, 2008 5:30 PM

Well, that's why we have to fight the public education and political battle now.

Once we reach the point the Dutch have reached, it's too late.

Posted by: Lori at May 16, 2008 5:36 PM

Editorial cartoonists "being held overnight."

I wonder if we could just back up forty years or so and try again.

Posted by: EBD at May 16, 2008 5:44 PM

And I thought we liberated Holland.

Posted by: Alain at May 16, 2008 5:47 PM

I'm starting to think that it's reached the point where violence is needed to shove a stake in the heart of leftist Political Correctness and leftist speech suppression.

Posted by: Mr.g at May 16, 2008 5:48 PM

Secretly, a team of elite editorial cartoonists is assembling to stage a mission to break Nekschot out of prison... "The Fighting Funnymen!"

Posted by: Frozen Tex at May 16, 2008 5:58 PM

"it's reached the point where violence is needed to shove a stake in the heart of leftist Political Correctness"

Actually, it's past time. Europe is like a rag soaked in gasoline; before long it will spontaneously combust if no spark is forthcoming.

Posted by: Gary Gulrud at May 16, 2008 6:00 PM

I doubt you'll be censored. Unlike paternalistic lefty nutbags, we're comfortable with free speech, even when it's speech we don't like.

Among other things, freedom of expression leaves the nut-cases like you are out in the open where they can be debated and/or ostracized as the situation fits. Well, out in the open when brave enough to use a real name.

Coward.

Posted by: Ron Good at May 16, 2008 6:15 PM

The lefties favorite argument is "look what the Nazis did...", when in fact they are acting like Nazis themselves.

mrto, of course it's your right to offend or not, it is your choice. I'm reminded of a childhood taunt that sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Posted by: kelly at May 16, 2008 6:18 PM

MRTO: you probably didn't read the comments policy, specifically this: 2. Cut the profanity - there are people reading who are on work computers.

It wasn't your opinion that got you gone.

You might want to brush up on "property rights" before you comment again.

Posted by: Ron Good at May 16, 2008 6:23 PM

Was this in a Canadian newspaper? It sounds an awful lot like what is going in T.O.

Posted by: wallyj at May 16, 2008 6:28 PM

Doesn't that cartoon belong with this Canadian story?

The Story from Brussels

Posted by: Sounder at May 16, 2008 6:35 PM

SoCon Or Bust asks;"If they think the price is steep now, what’s it going to cost us when we have to fight to keep Sharia out later on?"

Break it to SoCon gently. Islam's sharia is here in Canada now. In addition, the Canadian version of Islam's sharia is the Canadian Human Rights Act, thanks to the socialists: PET, Big Bertha Wilson, Tommy Shoyama latterly of Saskatchewan, et al. The compact between Islam and the left has been made. The end result is now apparent; the loss of our freedom of speech.
The enforcement arms of Islam's sharia/CHRAct are the HRCs/tribunals; the commissars are Lucy, Hall, Worn, et al.
The price is being paid now. It will take a prodigious effort to cast off the chains which have been forged by the left-Islamic alliance.

Posted by: maz2 at May 16, 2008 6:39 PM

I just hope this time we don't go to defend the Euroweenies. They made their bed,they can darn well sleep in it,or do the laundry. Up to them.We have enough of a fight with our own leftards here in Canuckistan.

Posted by: Justthinkin at May 16, 2008 6:58 PM

Hey guys:

This is the cartoon from the Halifax Chronicle-Herald which elicited a complaint with the Nova Scotia HRC.

Posted by: set you free at May 16, 2008 7:05 PM

I thought this was Bruce MacKinnon's cartoon, too. (I knew his mom a long time ago!)

Whatever, whoever...

This harrassment of cartoonists and political commentators in the so-called "free world" has got to STOP. We're lay-down surrender monkeys if we don't stand up to this bullying from Islamofascists IN OUR OWN COUNTRIES.

Of course, what gives people the courage to stand up to this kind of evil--my use of this word is considered--is moral backbone, which we in the West seem to have forfeited in the last 60 years. It's as though we won WWII and said, "Job well done. Now we'll just coast."

Civilization and its citizens need to be constantly vigilant against the threat of totalitarians in their midst. They have to be able to discern the enemy, wherever, whenever, and in whatever form, the enemy presents itself.

It seems we've lost the ability to do this. The hoax of "multiculturalism" has dulled our senses and has lulled us into the scandalous and fraudulent moral/cultural equivalency schtick, for which both Canada and Holland are famous.

We'd better get a grip or we're a civilization that's going the way of the Greeks and the Romans. There's nothing inevitable about our Western Civilization remaining intact. There's a cost to being civilized, and courage in guarding and fighting for our freedoms is not opitional.

Posted by: batb at May 16, 2008 7:17 PM

Holland is lost. Canada is well on the way unless we scrap the Multicultural policies which are fortified by the Charter of Rights which also needs to be revisited.
Trudeau spouted about a JUST society but his policies have given us anything but resulting in a system where some are more equal than others.

Posted by: Liz J at May 16, 2008 7:30 PM

The boot of fascism has been firmly planted on the throat of Gregorius Nekschot. It astonishes me what intellectual gymnastics people go through to justify the decimation of our freedom. Is this the fate of the western world - to sink into the smothering muck of socialist tyranny?

Posted by: rabbit at May 16, 2008 7:43 PM

Lori @ 5:46 p.m., "Well, that's why we have to fight the public education and political battle now."

Lori, many of us have been fighting these ideological battles for decades: and look where it's got us. The good news might be, as Ezra says, “the worse the better”, or words to that effect: Ted Byfield said the same thing about a decade or more ago. Having little imagination or stomach—as batb points out—for “unpleasantness” of any kind, until they’re actually, literally, against the wall—and maybe not even then!—Canadians will sleep walk over the abyss. We’ve spent almost all our moral capital and we’re soon to be paupers. Stupid Canada.

And the elites of this country think people like SDAers are the problem . . .


Posted by: lookout at May 16, 2008 7:57 PM

is this now a moderated blog? if it is that's ok knowing the current legal environment, but doesn't that give RW a virtual victory?

Posted by: Bart at May 16, 2008 8:11 PM

bluetech, fc, and lookout: I'm so glad you are on the same page as me vis a vis Landolt and Byfield. They are true Canadian heroes.

Why does Canada have to lionize moonbat idiots while demonizing its truly heroic citizens? The gauge of our hurtling into the swamp--glug, glug, glug--is our shabby treatment of genuinely wise, prescient, and prophetic voices while giving the Order of Canada to the likes of David Suzuki and a cadre of other leftist sell-outs.

Who knows, bluetech? I might be in Ottawa in September!! ;-)

fc: ’haven’t read Ted’s book yet—but I have had dinner with him! What a guy!

Posted by: batb at May 16, 2008 8:12 PM

I hate to admit it but I agree with Socon on this issue. Eventually our progressive-lefty betters will cut away at our freedom the same way that they probably cut away at their arms in high school. They are helping to kill my Canada and I think they're doing it for power. Take Kinsella for example; he's a huge hypocrite, but he does it for power... such are the HRCs.

Please don't say that all Muslims are terrorists. It's the same argument that people use when they say all conservatives are bible belting cousin marrying inbred christians. It's not true and it's a tactic used only to make the accuser feel better without any merit.

Posted by: Jon at May 16, 2008 8:17 PM

Hey infidels, give me millions too!

Posted by: Orlin at May 16, 2008 8:20 PM

Not all Muslims are terrorists...but oddly enough, so many terrorists are Muslim. Funny that.

How many Buddhist terrorists? None.
How many Wiccan terrorists? None.
How many Christian terrorists? None.

Yeah, I can see how some people hate ALL religions equally.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 16, 2008 8:35 PM

Mr. Snark,

Freedom is an absolute. Either you are free to do something or you are not. If you have to watch what you say you are not free.

The reason why I usually disagree with Socon is because I believe liberalism (in the classical John S. Mill sense) to be directly aligned with modern conservatism. I am taxed on smokes to pay for someone else's health care... to me this is a Liberal policy, but not one of liberalism. As is a moderate dislike of abortion... when you take life (or the likelihood of life) from a fetus, you are infringing on its right to life.

This takes a left turn sometimes though... for stuff like the death penalty I don't think it's right for the government to have that power. The person may be a monster, but we are monsters for taking his/her (but more likely his) life.

Anyhow, we should have the freedom to be jerks, but also the responsibility to deal with the consequences of being jerks. Recently I had it out with Irwin over evolution. I was a jerk because I felt like he (and the other God types) was confusing a belief in the scientific process with a belief in a type of god where it is really a belief in uncertainty... I took a bunch of crap from those people for a few days but that was the burden I took for insulting something that they hold dear... even if I think it's childish.

The problem for me was that your snark strikes too close to the tripe that is spewed by some here and other places. People are free to say crap like that, but I should be free to make fun of them for doing so.

Posted by: Jon at May 16, 2008 8:40 PM

Eeyore,

From Wikipedia:
# 7 Christian terrorist organizations
* 7.1 Army of God
* 7.2 Christian Identity
* 7.3 Aryan Nations
* 7.4 Christian Patriots
* 7.5 Lambs of Christ
* 7.6 Nagaland Rebels
* 7.7 Groups in the former Yugoslavia
o 7.7.1 Tsar Lazar Guard
o 7.7.2 White Eagles
* 7.8 Group in Poso, Indonesia
* 7.9 God's Army
* 7.10 Ku Klux Klan
* 7.11 Sons of Freedom
* 7.12 Lebanese groups
o 7.12.1 Guardians of the Cedars
o 7.12.2 Lebanese Forces
* 7.13 Groups in Northern Ireland
o 7.13.1 Religion as a factor
o 7.13.2 Groups
* 7.14 The Lord's Resistance Army
* 7.15 Groups in Russia
o 7.15.1 Russian National Unity
o 7.15.2 Russian National Socialists
# 8 Historical cases of Christian terrorism
* 8.1 St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, 1572
* 8.2 Gunpowder Plot, 1605
* 8.3 Cromwellian conquest of Ireland, 1649-53
* 8.4 Iron Guard and Lăncieri, 1927-1945
* 8.5 Christian Terrorism in Indonesia
* 8.6 Radical Christian Activists
* 8.7 Concerned Christians
# 9 Notable individuals
* 9.1 George Habash
* 9.2 Mark David Uhl
* 9.3 August Kreis
* 9.4 Pastor Clifford Peeples
* 9.5 Billy Wright
* 9.6 Eric Robert Rudolph

You're wrong.

Love,

Jon

PS Buddhists and Hindus regularly participate in terrorism in Sri Lanka.
PPS Wicca is not a real religion

Posted by: Jon at May 16, 2008 8:47 PM

When will our so called leaders come out of their collective trance visions of multiculturalism? Than they can start to realize where at war on two fronts here.

One on the ground with real soldiers dying for constitutional rights being taken away?

The second of course is the legal front. Being that Sharia law as a foundation of religious Law in Islam. We now have the enemy trying to use our own humanity, with rule of Natural law against us. With quasi Trudopian courts with no tradition with English common law.

If the anti-Hebrew-Israeli faction win with the help of Islamists to stomp out any criticism, or opinions not in government fashion, or their Religion in any terms, it won't be long before the real witch hunt begins against all our institutions. Schools, work place, rotary club , Intrusive social workers, you name it. Leftists allied with jihadists the former hoping to overcome the latter for Empire. Hum sounds familiar.

With greater powers given Ontario this month, & copied by Provincial HRC,s , sooner or latter. The real rot will begin with the death of liberty in this Nation. I believe the worst Sufferers will be Muslims, since they will now come under a different set of laws that most tried to flee. Winning will also terrorize those who hate the Jihadists & what they are doing from even talking out.

Ending on an ironic note. The more victims of the press these Empire builders attack. The more there exposed as the Inquisitions they are. I hope this can be stopped as fast as possible for all our sake if not the Country‘s. There a mutation of the deadly kind, no Democracy can survive.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at May 16, 2008 9:00 PM

Jon: "Please don't say that all Muslims are terrorists."

Who's saying that? I'm certainly not, and most SDA-ers aren't. To assert that that's what we think is a nice conceit for those who defend Islamofascism.

If you look at the facts, it would appear that there are a great many Muslims who ARE terrorists (check out New York, the Pentagon, Pennsylvania on 9/11; Bali, etc., etc.) but that doesn't mean that "all Muslims are terrorists."

GIVE ME A BREAK.

Word to those feeding Ron Good: DON'T DO IT. Starve him.

Posted by: batb at May 16, 2008 9:01 PM

Jon:

www.therereligionofpeace.com lists more than 11,000 deaths as a result of actions undertaken by Islamic extremists since 9/11.

In the interest of balance, can you please enlighten us as to how many human beings following Christian tenets murdered other human beings in the name of their religion during same time period?

Perhaps you could consult with Romeo Dallaire. He's pretty good at moral equivalence, too.


Posted by: set you free at May 16, 2008 9:05 PM

And Jon:

Could you provide us with the Christian Triumph of Death chant equivalent to ‘Allah Akhbar'?

Posted by: set you free at May 16, 2008 9:09 PM

how quickly we forgit


protestants and katholics killing because of their religious differences, try N Ireland

but this discussion isn't about that, it's about the lossing of freedom of speach!!!!!

Posted by: GYM at May 16, 2008 9:34 PM

GYM:

Ireland? Mindless tribal killers cloaking themselves in religious legitimacy.

What specific Christian tenets were being followed during that conflict?

Mind you, Great Britain has been in steady decline since Cromwell.

Posted by: set you free at May 16, 2008 9:38 PM

What is the point of this cartoon?

Beyond needling muslims that is?

In law, proving intent is a crucial aspect.

What is the intent here?

There are critisms and critiques that are relevant. And then there are idiotic cartoons like this that are meant to serve no purpose other than to instigate a reaction.

The former is a hallmark of maturity, the latter a hallmark of childhood.

Grow up.

Posted by: mug at May 16, 2008 10:51 PM

"www.therereligionofpeace.com lists more than 11,000 deaths as a result of actions undertaken by Islamic extremists since 9/11."

And the Americans have killed how many?

I think you should add Israelis to that list too, since those 11,000 probably include Israelis.

Just questions.

Posted by: whoot at May 16, 2008 10:54 PM

mug:

Not familiar with the facts leading up to the cartoon?

Posted by: set you free at May 16, 2008 10:54 PM

mug,

Utterly irrelevant. Cartoonists being held in jail? for needling?

Editorial cartoonists?

THINK.

Posted by: Darrell at May 16, 2008 11:11 PM

please send me to a Syrian prison for a year - I can take it

Posted by: Brad at May 16, 2008 11:18 PM

whoot:

OK. I'll bite.

How many were killed on Iwo Jima in 48 hours?

Hint: It's on wikipedia.

Posted by: set you free at May 16, 2008 11:20 PM

Mug: If the only purpose of a cartoon is to "needle" a group; so be it. Satire, lampooning, mocking, ridicule, are all part of cartooning and serve a vital purpose in a free society. Usually, behind any effective "needling", there is an element of truth. Canada in particular has a long tradition of satirical and hard rude comedy ... none should be spared.

In the end, it matters not what purpose a cartoon serves ... what matters is that you be allowed to publish. Whether it is "mature" or not is simply a matter of opinion. Who is going to govern the "maturity" of cartoons or whether "needling" is allowed? The West has functioned by providing a free market of ideas ... to stifle that, you stifle the West.

As far as Muslims in general:

I have grave concern with Islam ... the religion. It is barbaric and unreformed. It is my belief that devout Muslims will find nothing but frustration and alienation in modern Western society. Devout Muslims can't function within modern Western states and that's why they agitate. Modernism and especially Western values are anathema to them. They can't believe in what Mohammad taught ... can't follow his example, and be happy in a free, democratic, pluralistic, society.

Posted by: Paul at May 16, 2008 11:26 PM

paul:

Far as I know, the right to not be offended does not exist in either our constitution of that of the US.

Especially in the US, where free speech is protected.

I'm not worried at all about the survival of Western values.

Any time there's another outrageous ‘artistic expression' ripping down or ridiculing traditional Western values, I just yawn.

Posted by: set you free at May 17, 2008 12:40 AM

Newspaper Editors across the country should reprint these cartoons whenever the HRC tries to censor newspapers.

The cartoons are fair comment, give the 2007 environics poll which showed that 8% of Canadian Muslims believe that murder is an acceptable political activity in Canada.

Posted by: Tim Horton at May 17, 2008 1:14 AM

Rabbit -- This is the way I look at it -
READY, ABOUT TURN, AIM, FIRE.

Don't blame those that take advantage of our weakness, blame those that allow it to happen. Those amongst us that would rather die on their knees than live on their feet are the problem.

Posted by: Western Canadian at May 17, 2008 1:40 AM

if one is committing violence in the name of christianity then that person is not a christian. the followers of islam commit violence because it is called for in the koran and hadiths.

Posted by: old white guy at May 17, 2008 6:31 AM

Thanks old white guy, but that's a point that non-Christians (at least the mentally challenged leftists) will NEVER get. They will find quotes from the Bible advocating violence and claim equivalence...of course, those are mostly from the OLD Testament that has been superseded by the NEW Testament.

Then, they'll find quotes in the NEW Testament and claim equivalence...but not realize that they are quoting a parable.

Christ taught peace and love and and forgiveness and demanded we turn the other cheek so that it may be struck if we are offended or punished...Christ did NOT teach or promote ANY hate or war or punishment or ill-will.

Christians are instructed to emulate Christ and anyone who practices hate or war or punishment or ill-will is NOT CHRISTian and will be rejected and disowned vocally by true Christians.

Mohammed taught violence and war and punishment and hate. Muslims are instructed to emulate Mohammed. Muslims who practice hate or war or punishment or ill-will ARE Muslims and are CELEBRATED by true Muslims.

Pretty simple to me. White and black. Right and wrong. Good and evil.

But, say the critics, "Christianity wants to take away my freedom to do ugly things, so Christianity is bad. Muslims don't preach to me so they're okay".

Oh, I pity the blind fools!

Posted by: Eeyore at May 17, 2008 8:08 AM

What is the point of this cartoon?

Beyond needling muslims that is?

In law, proving intent is a crucial aspect.

What is the intent here?
At the risk of playing "mug"'s game... this Bruce MacKinnon cartoon was meant to "needle" or criticise not a religion or an ethnic group but a real individual, a Cape Breton convert to Islam and wife of a terrorist suspect, who was drawn pretty much as she looks and voicing the kind of overheated and tiresome whining we have come to expect from the families and advocates of terrorist suspects.

MacKinnon, himself a fairly left-of-centre person politically, has been in trouble before, once for a cartoon of a self-pitying looter (almost completely obscured by the television he or she was carrying). While it was impossible for anyone to identify anything in the cartoon that would suggest that the figure was of any particular race, MacKinnon was pilloried for a "racist" cartoon by the predictable Left in Nova Scotia, making the typical racist assumption of the Left that if you criticise looting, you must be attacking non-white people.

The Nova Scotia Human Rights Commission has largely been a make-work project for friends of friends and people who couldn't make much of a living doing anything else rather than a hotbed of loopy activists. If past practice is any predictor, MacKinnon's case will drag on for several years and, unless the Halifax Chronicle-Herald caves in to the complainants, will be quietly dismissed.

Posted by: Roseberry at May 17, 2008 8:25 AM

Keep lying and spinning the truth, Kate. It's what you're best at, cartoon spray art notwithstanding.

Posted by: Kaplan at May 17, 2008 10:08 AM

Thanks Eeyore, I usually find myself in the position of informing the blatantly ignorant. Same old story everytime. Idiots.

Some recently arrived Muslim fanatic wants to kill Kaffaars, with the authority to do so provided by the Quran and his hero, Mohammad, and these twisted people want to blame their peaceful Christian neighbours. Makes so much sense.

"I'm starting to think that it's reached the point where violence is needed to shove a stake in the heart of leftist Political Correctness and leftist speech suppression."

I suggest the hiring of Aboriginals as a proxy. They'd probably be able to burn the HRC offices to the ground and not get charged.

And isn't it about time a Quran based hate complaint was launched? How about thousands of Quran based hate complaints? Starting with Mohammad calling Jews the sons of apes and pigs and then progressing to Quran 9:5 as actual and unarguable incitement to commit mass murder.

Posted by: irwin daisy at May 17, 2008 10:21 AM

Set You Free,

I was responding to Eeyorye, to show that there are Christian Terrorists. I don't want to play a game of moral equivalence. I regularly read TROP. It's a good site and it shows a real menace to global peace and security in Islamic Terrorism. But Eeyore said there are NO Christian terrorists... and in that he is wrong.

In regards to allah Akhbar?.. Maybe Goodbye = God be with you. Either way though most people would readily admit that islamic terrorism is greater than terrorism rooted in other ideologies.

Posted by: Jon at May 17, 2008 10:51 AM

I long for the days when immigrants came to Canada and became part of the community, they joined the Fire Department, the Legion, the Masonic Hall etc. Now we have immigrants that start up organizations that excluded anyone not of their religion or race. What purpose does it serve to allow people to form non-prophet organizations that exclude 90 percent of the population? The arrogance of some of the Islamic Organizations astounds me, whom do they really represent? It's time to open their books and find out if they are speaking on behalf of Muslims or are they Political Arms of the Jihadies?

Regarding the cartoon, it wasn't offensive if you have Canadian Values but I suppose a Wahhabist might find it offensive and run to the HRC in a hissy fit. The political Islamist are on a mission in Canada, the Islamification of our culture is their goal and the HRCs are a tool being used to achieve said goal.

Where did equality go for all Canadians? What's wrong with being equal to each other, why are we allowing Illiberal Organizations like CJC and CIC superior status in Canada?

Posted by: Rose at May 17, 2008 10:53 AM

answer Rose is that we are all supposed to feel a collective guilt and share their angst and psychological fragility.

Mine came and integrated - no clubs nor HRCs needed. More fragile newcomers who fear for the future = not as much as I do though!

Read the National Post as
I guess this weekend is "Be a friend to Muslims".

Do not fear Muslims, report says
Quebec Hearings

Jeff Heinrich, Canwest News Service
Published: Saturday, May 17, 2008

Dave Sidaway, Canwest News Service FileGerard Bouchard, left, and Charles Taylor headed a commission on reasonable accommodation, holding hearings across Quebec last fall. Their final report was leaked to The Gazette.

The "Two Solitudes" of French and English have been replaced in Quebec by "deux inquietudes" -- the twin anxieties of the majority and the new minorities, according to a much-anticipated report on reasonable accommodation.

French-Canadians, a "strong ethnocultural majority," fear being submerged by minorities who are "fragile and worried about the future," says the report.

The French-Canadian majority in Quebec must shake off its angst about minorities and help build a truly open society in a globalized world, says the report.

The report recommends that people in Quebec learn more English -- even becoming trilingual -- be nicer to Muslims and get better informed.

"In this day and age of migratory mixing, of the Internet and globalization, it is to be greatly hoped that the largest number possible of Quebecers master English in addition to French," says the report.

It adds, "The way to overcome Islamophobia is to get closer to Muslims, not to run away from them. Mistrust breeds mistrust. Just like fear, it winds up feeding on itself."

Posted by: The LS from SK at May 17, 2008 12:50 PM

"And I thought we liberated Holland."

We shouldn't have in hind sight, or Belgium.

no wonder 60+% of Canadians are unenriched by immigration.

Posted by: Dinosaur at May 17, 2008 12:54 PM


The cartoon is not 'targeting' the gal in the sheet, it is targeting the fools who catered to her.

Posted by: Jema54 at May 17, 2008 2:18 PM

The LS from SK

The report recommends that people in Quebec learn more English

I bet this went over gang busters at the French language police commissariat. Gee wasn’t Quebec’s great bitch, was having English forced on them? Another irony of Unintended consequences of social engendering. Trudeau not only destroyed English Canada but put paid to French Canada as well.

This may insult folks but I liken Canuks to guilt ridden abused tax payers who have become submissive with a domitrix government to beat them regularly by law, statute or stealing tax money, to assuage said pseudo-guilt the Intelligentsia instills since before grade 1.
Always working towards a detestation of Western culture, & its evil as they the neo-Marxists see it.

Anguish has become gratification, while Canadians shrink from any self value.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at May 17, 2008 5:24 PM

If we were still enduring an LPC led government the commenters here would be tearing them a new a-hole for allowing these HRC tribunals to soil our democracy.

How about a little heat aimed at the Harper govrnment for allowing these travesties to continue unhindered on their watch?

Mr. Harper, I helped vote you in so I say stop hiding behind that sickly veil of PC'ness in Ottawa and put a stop to this bullshit.I don't give a f*ck what it may or may not cost you politically.

And one more thing, while I'm in a ranting mood.
To ALL those politicians who are lining up to apologize and hand out millions for the governments past transgressions against some citizens, may I suggest you add all war veterans, dead and alive, and all their ancestors to your list?
For you see, the way you are ruining this country by consistently putting your party's concerns ahead of the nation's, you are pilfering the sacrifices made by millions so that we and our own offspring may be secure in our freedoms.

I remember how upset people were when a drunken teen pissed on a senotaph last year.

I submit all the major political parties in this country are currently pissing right on their graves.

My father's for one.

Thanks as usual Kate for the bandwidth to express myself.


Posted by: Canadian Observer at May 17, 2008 7:08 PM

LS wrote: answer Rose is that we are all supposed to feel a collective guilt and share their angst and psychological fragility.

Sad isn't it.

I refuse to surrender to those that state we have no culture, we do have a destinct culture but our youth and the leftards believe our identity is based on Muliticulturalism. I don't agree ,I believe multiculturalism and diversity are dangerous to this countries culture. I will not accept that all cultures are equal. As Kate has stated if we are all equal why do we have a refugee classification for immigrants?

It angers the leftards because the right are proud of our history and our culture. I won't be guilted and forced to accept cultures that consider women to be worth half the value of a man, I won't surrender to cultures that force women to abort female babies. I will not submit to a culture that allows the murder of females based on seven century values.

Canadian Culture rocks, if immigrants want to embrace my countries' culture and intertwine positive aspects of their culture with ours that's fine. Equality is hunky dory, appeasement and pandering for the Ethnic-Religious vote isn't.


Posted by: Rose at May 17, 2008 7:13 PM

R-Dream: Perfect!

Posted by: Paul at May 17, 2008 7:57 PM

batb: I know this is a little late in the day, considering your warning was from last evening, but just to prevent undue damage to my reputation, the Ron Good you are suggesting folks don't feed was someone else posting under my name.

I do my best to be a polite presence on blogs and the posts from the imposter have since been removed by Kate (with my thanks). I don't mean this to build traffic to my blog, but I think even a quick visit there will show that my general tone is far different from that of the imposter.

Posted by: Ron Good at May 17, 2008 8:14 PM

Call me a mean person, like I care at my age, but, I'd love to see the Dutch in burqas. The drab standard issue ones too. No group stands out to me as more deserving, ok, maybe the Swedes and French.

It's hard to believe that we liberated large swaths of Europe with the blood of far too many Americans/Canadians only 60 years ago to see them and their creepy quisling off-spring surrender again to a force that any girl could take down if they were so inclined. The old black and white newsreels of that period make sense with the French, Belgium Dutch, Italians, etc waving to their liberators, us, from their windows. Never again.

Posted by: penny at May 17, 2008 8:14 PM

In case people like Jon missed this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/15/india?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews

Put that story under the catagory of "Biggest Yet By Young Islamic Terror Group"

I don't see Christian, Hindu, Sihk or other religions generating anywhere the magnitude of murderous crackpots as Islam. Every bombing is another record for these bloodthristy Q'uran supremacists. Victims don't matter to these monsters. Any religion other than Islam guilty of having terrorist organizations use 8yr old girls to carry bombs that kill innocents?

Islam's body count far exceeds any other modern religion and there's no let up in sight.

It's not a hate crime to criticize a religion that is based on hate. The fight to protect our right to criticize the obvious continues...

Posted by: Martin B. at May 17, 2008 8:43 PM

Canada's current immigration policy is sowing the seeds of problems that will be felt for generations to come.

Multi-culturalism is a myth.

Ethnic ghettos and the fragmention of Canadian society is the reality.

Posted by: FredA at May 17, 2008 9:35 PM

Canada's current immigration policy is sowing the seeds of problems that will be felt for generations to come.

Multi-culturalism is a myth.

Ethnic ghettos and the fragmention of Canadian society is the reality.

Posted by: FredA at May 17, 2008 9:35 PM

OK everybody this is getting ugly =^-^=
lets all join hands and pray that Kate, Ezra, Kathy, Mark Steyn, Mark Lemire et al will finally see justice done

Posted by: kelly at May 17, 2008 10:45 PM

"this" is not getting ugly - "Canada" is getting ugly - "fascism and totalitarianism" are ugly - discussing "this" is my right and silencing "this" debate IS ugly....

Posted by: Brad at May 17, 2008 11:01 PM

Remember, everybody, there is a term for people who have to spend time in jail for their views, and that term is POLITICAL PRISONER.

This term can also be applied to anyone who is fined by an HRC and does not pay up.

We are probably going to have political prisoners in Canada very soon, and they will be created by the "human rights" commissions.

Posted by: sporadicus at May 18, 2008 12:23 AM

So much for the true North strong and free.

Aren't Canadians supposed to stand on guard? Take note, politicians and privileged, entitled members of the MSM. Take note, "ordinary" Canadians:

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men and women to do and say nothing.

At least Kate, Kathy, Ezra, Mark, the other Mark, the Fourniers, and their readers and supporters can't be accused of doing or saying nothing...

But, where's the rest of Canada?

Posted by: batb at May 18, 2008 9:24 AM

This cartoon show Muslim woman who wear HIJAB means cover the body as represent Muslim and any place you see kind of woman dress like this you know she or grup like her belong to terrorist group or may her husband train in camp to kill nonMuslim and when sue some one used that money from HRC for increased and empowered their crime.

there is so many thing nonMuslim are not seen that Muslim feel and ask to stop this hate crime before this kind of media become worste

number one there is Muslim woman are hit in this media like when you want to know you are Jeiwish you see them by wear tiny hate in back of thei hair and you distinguish them ok this person are Jeiwish when you want to distinguish this person is Hindo or sike relgion you know them by kind of big hate they cover their men hair for me is funny why not thier woman cover only thier men cover

on other hand ISLAM and Muslim quickly are noticable by the way Muslim woman and femal in general they way they dress and this can be cover simple scarf or cover more no hair show up and cover complete hand and complete leg and do not shoew the curve in body but in Islaim cover face and finger of hand and feets is uption it is not required to get cover now as I we see some people also in non Muslim are not cover their body and some are alomost half naked some Muslim may be too much but nobody can complain since that is their body if some one like to cover their body you can not bother to force to show you in the same judment Canadian woman like to free what they like to wear

the dnager and scary part is coming that Muslim woman by wear and cover body are noticable and when they tried o show Muslim cartoon they used similar or put picture of wsoamn cover body or show the Muslim skekdh or Mola as symbole of Muslim

most of these woamn are sinless never did any crime or any other sin and never involve with any criminal orgination and some one are very buetiful woman also just like to cover their body or some are wife of shiekh or when they grwo up in saudi or part of city they born they dress like that and now used to wear still some one them when they come to Canad still keep the culute I know most of them graudlly will change since they will see more noticable and these woman not like men stare of them and prefer to change their dress in smile cover up of Islamnocover the mouth andeyes

now hate crime can hurt this simple woman as target if media like to use woman as target to bother them as they did so far in past 10 years medai are act so unfairly to them you dress Muslim then you are terrroirt and you are criminal
this must stop that is reason tehy capture oen cartonnese to get lesson to toerh stop hate crime agaisnt Muslim in media
espcially do not mess withMuslim woman spciciclayy they are not criminla if anybody did crime this up to country law to arrest them no matter is rish old jewihs Muslim etc criminal is criminal
the quesrion Muslim will ask saying if Muslim go and kill any innocent people you arrest tem and you call us terrorist are CANDIAN SOLDUTE AND AMERICAN soldute has right to chase one or few criminal go to afganiatan and kill so many innocenst too are there any oehr option avaible to reduce kiling innocent or you hate Muslim in genetall we kill them all if one criminla muslim did crime therefore put lable Muslim in generall terroirst while number of innocent Muslim kill for war in Iraq Lebnan and Palatan and Afgan and Paksin is more than number of innocent american was killed in war and this is proof if cirminal is criminal then if govermetn of any countrty do any job to kill or put endanger people of innocet victime of thise crime also can we call them terrorist too or can Muslim can call them criminal too then this i ring bell of human right commision to stop local hate crime spread if one do worng and otehr revenge thsi and death treat to that cartoonse if this is ot stop this can lead more local security and endanger too many peolle life for only some thing look funny for nonMuslim but serious secrutity for Musim to leave safe any where

again I also saw Muslim cartoon sometimse shoe or joke nonMuslim woman saying ok neae by boss miniskirt near my manage show clevage near my coworker and coligue showe belly short blouse and near my frind bikini and near my husband porn and etc.. this is might joke for Musoim made fun of nonMuslim woman try to say all nonMusim are bad woman in reality that is not the fact that is way they used to dress up and not educated woman dress shoudl make sense Muslim not like to see 24 hour sex of woman or men in work in school or in park we do not like too but having woman wear or cover body not should used to lable them are terroust and can be got bother by media can brain wash regulare people and make htem angery toward them Muslim keep the sex private not for publice or otehr to watch it do anything you wnat we are nto interested in day time see your body my dear.

again human right commsion noticed this can be worth and they try to punish both to stop local fight since crime isnot funny to make all Italina mafia or all irish are IRA terrorirt or all Chineese or all Rusiis terrorist or all Jeiwsh anti Muslim whiel not all jeiwhs hate Muslim too.
you must understand hate crime in any shape must reduce and stop that is my point every thing has a limint and now talking gosip agains Muslim are too much because american soldure pay too mcuh money join armyand that person must hate ckill Muslim to go to Afganist to kill them for hate and hate crime as you can see too many inocenet for excuse of chasing few bad people and this is made Muslim start death treat and revenge and this frustration must stop from both side since nobody had right to take the gun and kill anybody even the person may real criminal not give you righ to act like police and you do the justice here stop the hate crime I support this


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Posted by: Hassan at May 18, 2008 2:18 PM

For everyone that considers freedom of speech to be a left-right issue (many commenters here seem to fall into this category) should think again.

Simple example: Dutch Socialist Party has denounced the latest witch hunt in the strongest of terms. See "Arrestatie cartoonist volstrekt buiten proporties" (arrest of cartoonist totally disproportionate): http://www.sp.nl/nieuwsberichten/5587/080516-arrestatie_cartoonist_volstrekt_buiten_proporties.html
Google Translate into English: http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sp.nl%2Fnieuwsberichten%2F5587%2F080516-arrestatie_cartoonist_volstrekt_buiten_proporties.html&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=nl&tl=en

How does one spell bigotry?

Posted by: Eric at May 18, 2008 9:04 PM

Well Hassan, you sure took a long time to explain something simple we all already know. "The problem is...", bah. The problem is, for the cartoonist, for our society, actually not a problem at all until you make it so. Frankly, I find all of these cartoons decidedly unfunny. If the cartoonist is jailed for anything it should be for being a not funny cartoonist. Given his subject matter is so eminently lampooable. That's the best he can do? Please. The humor potential in Arab face-covering culture is astounding, and yet, this not funny stuff is the best we ever get.

But worse than than the thin-skin-ness Arab culture shows is their hypocrisy Their own cartoons of Jews are despicable. Why do think it's OK to draw absolutely not funny cartoons of Jews but bristle whenever you're depicted yourself. Look, you're trying to fit into a culture that values openness and yet present yourselves covered up. In this culture we take that as a Halloween costume, or otherwise having something to hide. It's laughable in itself. For example, I'd become a little worried if I were a bank teller and a person walks up with their face covered! Not done. Period.

Do they expect to get their driver's license ID with their faces covered? Oh. That's right, they can't drive. Too inferior for that. Hahahahaha. See? Now that's funny! Arab culture has got a long way to come to catch up with the rest of the world, you can start by accepting your more ridiculous observable behavior is going to be turned into satire.

Look, President Bush is depicted as a monkey exiting a plane asking "Is this Yurp? Are these Yurpeans?" Totally funny but absolutely offensive and nowise helpful in bridging differences, and yet the cartoonist is awarded! Why? Because it resonates! Everybody is already thinking it but that cartoonist showed it graphically. Get over yourself, Hassan, you take yourself way too seriously. We certainly don't.

Also, spare us the lectures, they're boring.

Posted by: bour3 at May 19, 2008 9:02 AM
the dnager and scary part is coming that Muslim woman by wear and cover body are noticable and when they tried o show Muslim cartoon they used similar or put picture of wsoamn cover body or show the Muslim skekdh or Mola as symbole of Muslim -hassan
Good point, hassan. When a Muslim women wears the burkha, she looks just like any other Muslim woman wearing a burkha.

Thus when someone draws a cartoon, accurately depicting how a particular Muslim woman appears, other Muslim women could be mistaken for her.

So I agree that not wearing the burkha would solve a lot of problems.

Posted by: Freedom Fan at May 19, 2008 9:22 AM

Need I say the obvious. A crime has been committed already. A crime of fashion.
For this the kuffar must suffer.
Hey why not just let a school of girls burn down while herding them back in to their deaths least they be exposed publicly to the public by a religious police. Oops already happened. By the way Hassan where are the hate laws for minority's for non-Muslims in your old home or any Islamic Nation for that matter?

Yet you Think nothing of forcing Sharia law on us, in our own Nation. Forcing us to change for you. Think on it. Would these Islamic Republics allow Kuffar hate law tribunals paid by the State against Muslims. You know the answer .

Happy Trails

Posted by: Revnant Dream at May 19, 2008 11:39 PM
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