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Hey Garth, here's where your funding is going...

"The annual operating cost of Insite is $3 million or $14 per visit
in the year ended August 2007. The 500 most frequent users went
more than 400 times at an average cost per person of $13,100."

And that's just one site. The Fiberals wanna go nationwide.

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Garth is a real piece of business,spouting more shit than any sewage system can possibly flush away. The Conservative Party of Stephen Harper knew what they were doing when they gave him the boot.

One would think at some point whoever is in charge of the Liberal Party would have a talk with him.
Wonder if even Jack Layton would be interested in his services?

Hope the people of Halton are taking note.

Yeah, we could buy them each a condo where they could be murdered by the Taliban in comfort.

"We could buy each Afghan a condominium with that money," he added."

Cool. At a cost of $224,000 per person, or about $1,000,000 per family, Garth could not buy each Innu family of Natuashish (former Davis Inlet) a condo, it could be in Florida where each family could retire.

The above figure is the cost of moving the Innu from Davis Inlet - $152 million for 680 people.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2002/12/14/davis_inlet021214.html

"We could buy each Afghan a condominium with that money," he added."

Still schlepping for Remax I see.

Geez, "$150,000 for every shell bought for the sole purpose of destroying a village in Afghanistan."

Where are we buying our shells, the same place NASA is buying it's hammers & toilet seats?

No wonder there are still villages in Afghanistan.
We could get a better deal on E-Bay!

Lets just pull our troops and leave the money behind and let them divi it out. That seems to work for international aid in Burma.

150k per shell is for gps guided munitions, that hit within 1 to 2 meters from a gun 15km+ away. So once again Garth is lying through his teeth, as these munitions are expressly for the purpose of NOT destroying villages wholesale but for turning the Taliban into smoking holes in the ground.

I eagerly await Scott Kesterson's full documentary on his time in Afghanistan. The only coverage of our guys that comes close to his blog posts, photos and video is the stuff done by Blatchford.

You can find his blog at kgw.com

maybe we can get Garth to volunteer for target practice duty.

Follow the links,they are discussing technical stuff re: range and cost of ammo. I would rather challenge two other statements by Turner:
"bought for the sole purpose of destroying a village in Afghanistan."
..."sole purpose"..??Is that how he supports the mission? Is that why he voted for extension?I somehow doubt the mission has the sole purpose of destroying villages.
But now Turner claims he was 'misquoted'.
There were plenty at the meeting...any proof he was misquoted?
Could we have Melanie Cummings (reporter) respond to that claim?

Where is the oil in Afghanistan?

Hash oil. Garth is smoking it.

I stand UP and salute the Canadians in this clip, a big THANK YOU to our Canadian brothers and sisters...

Garth is a career politician and he is concerned only with Garth - what a jackass

jim:
"I think we should kill them all and let Allah sort 'em out"

Is there a way we can get the innocent muslims -- women, children, decent people, non-criminals -- out of the way before we kill the murderers responsible for terrorism?

If you answer "they didn't get our innocents out of the way in the mass murders in New York on Sept. 11, why should we bother with them?"

Answer this then: do we really want to be the same as the murderous bastards who killed people who were guilty of nothing?

"If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." -- Winston Churchill

Stan Q:
I'm not sure of your intent for posting this quote but it strikes me this statement could justifiably be made by a Palestinian, Muslim, or any Iraqi. Who could blame them?

Don't worry, Diddler online will soon have a verbal humpfest with Garth like he did with K ntsella yesterday. Diddler will enable little Garth to say all the dirty things he can about Harper with no rebuttals. Losers seem to attract that is why Garth is now a Lieberal.

I'm sure it happens all the time in Utopiaville Gerry.

real men?

what about the real women in afghanistan as well?

Gerry Hawke (who appears to be anything,but) in regards to the Churchill quote said the following could apply to the Taliban as well: "You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves"

The elemental difference dear Gerry, is that the Taliban DO enslave their people, especially their women. They would only enslave those of us whom they do not behead.

Subtle differece between us and them, I know. But do try to grasp it.

'Is there a way we can get the innocent muslims -- women, children, decent people, non-criminals -- out of the way before we kill the murderers responsible for terrorism?'~ g hawks

Was there a way to do so for all the innocents in any of the wars of the last 10,000 years?

Just amazing good fortune for the Conservative Party to have not just gotten rid of Garth, Belinda, and Scott Brison, but to have seen the Liberals stuck with them! Absolutely providential.

Really! Is there a hollower vessel in government that Garth Turner? If there is they probably write his speeches and press releases.

Does anybody notice a pattern here?

Lately, whenever a librano shoots his mouth off about the military, it seems to be nothing but pure gibberish.

At one time, the libs had a few decent, slightly right of centre types, who at least tried to make an effort as far as understanding the military world.

Today......What a f#$%ing joke! Leadership truly does start at the top. Lead by Canada's chief moonbat(sorry tal jack), the libs have devolved into a party of terrorist enablers and eviroweenies.

Pathetic!

GO ARMY!

OOOOPS....ENVIROWEENIES

sorry

GArth is just going back to what he knows.....no money down real estate.

And the federal government spends $625 million each year on Nunavut --$25,000 per year for each man, woman and child who lives there!

My last post:

NoGuff:
"Gerry Hawke (who appears to be anything,but)"
I'm not sure what this means. It's my name. I'm not anonymous.
"the Taliban DO enslave their people"
I never said anything about the taliban. They kill innocent people.

This blog seems to inspire so much hate. Perhaps it's because no one knows each other the real inner feelings can easily be exposed?

A few topics are continually recycled. Posters attach dubious quotes from questionable experts and articles copied from the internet supporting whatever their position. Rational thought considers a wide range of opinions and research covering the full spectrum of opinion. Seldom are issues black or white.

The word "socialism" is vehemently hated in any context but no one seems to complain about the many socialized services we all appreciate. There's socialized policing, schooling, libraries,fire protection, and more. But socialism can be seen here only as communism, again, no gray, black and white only.

The unfortunate left-wing, right-wing categories are religiously and strictly delineated. Anyone deemed to fall into either category is immediately labelled and filed with all the extreme attributes of either position. Can't there be a range of opinions held by human beings without the battle lines? It doesn't have to be either-or.

I won't even go into the matter of gays, visible minorities or those less advantaged.

All discussion falls to the level of insult and ridicule. Even I failed at remaining non-combative.

I haven't been around for long but I get the impression that most of the posters holding less extreme views simply fade away leaving only the core supporters who encourage and feed off each others' hatred. That's too bad.

I'll probably check back a few times to read the reactions to this post and then fade away.

peace and good will to all.

"Is there a way we can get the innocent muslims -- women, children, decent people, non-criminals -- out of the way before we kill the murderers responsible for terrorism?

Answer this then: do we really want to be the same as the murderous bastards who killed people who were guilty of nothing?"
Gerry Hawke at May 14, 2008 11:13 PM

The Taliban, who do not wear uniforms, use women and children for military roles that in our Western militaries are provided by enlisted uniformed service members who are considered legitimate targets.

The Taliban fighters use woman and children for cooking, laundry, ammo and gun bearers, and all of their logistical needs that are serviced by our Armed Forces soldiers.

When the Taliban aren't actively engaged in combat against our forces they are with their woman and children, doing all the same things that our forces do when they aren't actively engaged, and are still legitimate targets just as our forces are legitimate targets.

The blame for the deaths of women and children lies squarely at the feet of these Taliban irregular combatants.

We aren't the same as the murderous bastards who killed people who were guilty of nothing.

Inasmuch as the Taliban use women and children for military service, these women and children are legitimate targets just the same as are our uniformed service personnel who perform the same functions.

That video reminds me of the following quote:

"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenal of the world, is so formidable as the will of moral courage of free men and women".

I miss Ronald Reagan.

It seems to me that Hawke may be right on point of principle. The Taliban of course do not have a monopoly on barbarity and we certainly can sink to their level, as some of the posts here occasionally seem to prove, at least in theory. One would hope that the view would change and become more humane, if the author were faced with reality. I personally have confidence that on the whole our troops have not sunk to that level, whatever the productions of Garth's fevered imagination, and despite that a few of the posters here seem sometimes to want to counsel it. What differentiates us from them, fundamentally, morally, at least to this point is precisely that concern to differentiate between combatants and non-combatants. It is called basic human decency and there never is really enough to go around.

Mr. Hawke, be so kind as to either address yourself to individual posters/comments, or fade away quickly.

When a member of my government speaks as prodigious a lie as Mr. Turner did, I think some acrimony is warranted. I object to having my comments referred to as "hate".

I do not hate Mr. Turner, I just think he's a liar and unfit for his post as an MP. I do not hate the Taliban for that matter. One does not hate vermin, nor does one attempt negotiation with them as Mr. Turner suggests.

You know of course that the element you despise so, was once an ally of the USA. Including the much hated Mr. Bin Laden. It's a bit odd that the habits and practices of said Taliban and Mujhadeen were oakely doakely with uncle sam back then. As example, they treated their women just the same then as they do now. In fact they have been treating them that way for a very long time.

You know, its not the Mujhadeen or the Taliban that changed, they are still the same. It's the tune that is played for the ears of those so easily lead that changed.

When I read comments that express the notion of deal with them now while they can be handled or later when they come after us, I realize how little people understand. Most of them don't even know what Canada is, let alone where it is.

If you are going to advocate killing people, at least put the effort into understanding why you take that position.

And to ownshook, Ronald Reagan also said, "Facts are stupid things". He too later said he misspoke.

I really don't understand the fuss over what Garth Turner had to say either. He is just an opposition MP. All this attention makes me think of Hollywood types and the tabloids. Quite frankly, this Janke guy and the rest just come across like bunch of old gossiping busy bodies salivating over what their neighbor might do next. Get a life eh? If some CF guys want to get all up on it, that's up to them.

Hugger