with the number of folks clamouring to get in rather than out it just cant be all that bad.

only the members of the film actors guild claimed they were skidding themselves to Canaduh if GWB got in again.

with the number of folks clamouring to get in rather than out it just cant be all that bad.

only the members of the film actors guild claimed they were skidding themselves to Canaduh if GWB got in again.

Good one Cjunk and it's true, Bush is not hated by those who have a grip on reality. The left hates in appropriate company ('Islamic Fascists, Europhiles, Communists, and Tyrants'). Their fascist alliance makes sense when you consider their desperate search for political strength, hate can be a unifying force.

Hmmmmm I wonder who owns The Australian... oh. I see. It's Newscorp, the company which also owns Fox News, the most biased and stupid news entity since Pravda.

No... most people hate Bush. They see him for the lying incompetent sleaze he actually is.

Are you really so pathetically partisan as to look at the proverbial mess he's made on the carpet, and claim that it smells like roses?

The guy is a complete and total failure. It will take Obama or McCain years to repair the damage he's done.

the Bush-haters are a fringe element of misfits and communists whose agenda is to destroy western culture and the western economy

unfortunately in Canada government bureaucracy and the MSM are obsessed with their hatred for America, and in particular, and its current administration

thank GOD that no one takes them seriously

Nothing beats the cbc for sheer stupidity,well,maybe ctv or bbc.

Curious how America, a country which fiercely stands up for the inherent freedoms of individual and is always among the first to go to places of human suffering (Burma and last year's tsunami, for example) is despised.

Such hatred, such envy from those still unable to understand how societies which base their principles on Judeo/Christian values are the most successful in the history of mankind.

Meanwhile, none of the aformentioned systems in the original posts have come anywhere close to doing what is best for their populaces. They wallow in ignorance and delude themselves into believing their ignorance of the truth is a virtue.

Do they not understand they create their own hells by dismissing the inherent wisdom of the common individual?

Let's see the population of the world is over 6 billion and you've shown that three people are "more" pro-American (which is different from pro-Bush) then three other people. How do the other 5,999,999,994 people like Bush?

Also votes AGAINST pro-Islamic parties are not automatically FOR pro-American policies. The world is a little more complex then "You're with us or you're with the terrorists".

john ?....what mess has GWB made ?....i don't follow....

how bout pro-american?

seems lots of mexicans AND canadians want to emigrate (or cross border sans border service).

regardless of the current leader.

This has been going on for decades. A poll in the 1983 edition of The Book of Lists voted Reagan and Thatcher as the "most feared and hated persons in history".

Hitler was #5.

Hi,

First off... the Tsunami happened in 2004, not last year... otherwise Set you free is dead right. Americans are given the opportunity to be individually charitable and with that opportunity they improve the lives of others. In nations where the government is charitable with the citizens' money, individuals are less charitable and successful.

No point in blowing this crap out of proportion though. These people who call Bush II the worst are the people who say that Trudeau was the best. Both were terrible dicks to those who didn't vote for them, but were loved by their camps. One must look at Katrina to understand that Bush didn't really care about deeply democratic, urban, black New Orleans. Conversely one could look at the NEP to see that Trudeau didn't give a crap about deeply conservative Calgary.

John Begley, I think John is talking about a) The Iraq fiasco, b) the gapping hole in the US federal budget, c) the "bull in a china"-like attitude to international relations. I could go on.

The more important question is what have been is great accomplishments?

jon:

2004? Time flies when you're having fun, I guess.

I'm unsure what role Dubya played in New Orleans, but the derision that's come his way demonstrates that hateful people need some excuse to blame-shift.

One more point. Unless my eyes deceived me this morning, I could swear that was a black preacher who officated at Jenna's wedding. Condeleeza Rice, Colin Powell ...

The Americans and there president should do what is in their countries best interests. Just as all countries and their leaders should.

I can always think back to the irration loathing of Thatcher and Reagan and consider how the media treated them. Only the retarded/left will discredit the accomplishments of those two.

History will make of GWB in a different light. I would wager that average Iraqis currently view GWB greatly different than the media does.

John said, "No... most people hate Bush."

Prove it. The election results noted in the post say your rhetoric is wrong.

John M Reynolds

This is an interesting analysis. I must endeavor to learn it completely so I'm able to spill the names all at once in a single sentence the way my interlocutors spill all their grievances in one long rapid well-practiced paragraph -- at the next visit to my doctor, my dentist, the grocer, especially to the hair dresser, the next cocktail party, birthday gathering, bar mitzvah, wedding, funeral, or any holiday gathering or otherwise of more than two people, when this subject comes up. And it will. That's just how politically miserable this country has made itself up to be. A rational unemotional political discussion is simply not possible.

This causes me to Photoshop kittens.

Most hated, or most loved in history can change in a heartbeat. It's impossible to poll either accurately.

I heard a couple of years ago that Brian Adams had the biggest selling album in UK history. The home of the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Rolling Stones, and on and on and on bought more albums from a no talent nerd from BC. It had to be a mistake, right? Wrong. In a mad rush, UK youth had bought up CDs in a matter of months, and tipped sales to this sorry fact. Over time the old classics will overtake the flash in the pan, but for a little while Brian Adams was the greatest musician in UK history.

Katrina proves to be one more Bush derangement syndrome symptom.

What exactly did Bush do personally to harm any of the victims of Katrina? How many died in New Orleans? How many of those knew to get out but did not? How many buses were parked by the mayor of N.O.? Who is responsible, the mayor and governor of a constitutionally responsible State? What bad decisions did Bush make? Again, what did Bush do?

Bush has been very unfairly treated by the media. Over time history will judge him very favourably. The war on terror has been very successful. Domestically the US is in far better shpe than it was under hillbilly Clinton. unless your a nut like Michael Moore or a libturd journalist at the CBC.

I was in the wax museum in Victoria a couple of summers ago...when we passed the section honouring US Presidents, my sister-in-law pipes up with a "that man is pure evil" comment when we passed the George W Bush figure.

Now she likely assumed that I would agree, however I pointed over at the Slick Willy Clinton figure and said "I don't know what Bush has done, but that guy over there is evil".

She just didn't get it. Most liberals think that having principles and a moral compass is irrelevant and a little strange. However, they will actually say things like..."but look how popular he/she is!!" as evidence that their leaders are significant.

The moment a politician attempts to be cool (Clinton playing saxophone on Letterman, Martin jamming with Bono), you can guarantee that they are an empty suit. No one with dignity lowers themselves.

Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) believes that Katrina was pre-arranged by Bush and Cheney to cull the black population, just as Reverend Wright believes that the US government invented AIDS to do the same thing.

Anyone who willingly entertains such nonsense is either drug-addled or simply a loser.

okanagan, most, if not all liberal socialists don't think, they feel. too freaking bad. i would prefer that they think about what has to be done in the world and take an action that works as opposed to bs feel good talking points.

When America, it's world view, it's leadership in advancement for the betterment of humanity and immense charity finally collapses (Great empires/civilisation always fade away) from the constant erosion from many different factions including ignorance from within it's own borders and other suposably allies like Canada and it's increasingly smug attitude of superiority and not to forget a destructive media that supports and spreads antiAmericanism then may God have mercy on the civilized world as China will then assume the position of number one superpower on earth.

Dark ages at the gates.

More stupid liberals...... it never never never ends!

Jay,

I've attached an article when Bush personally accepts that he failed New Orleans. They are not his constituents. They voted for Democrats. It's not rocket science...

Kanye West said that Bush doesn't care about black people; I disagree with him. Bush doesn't care about black people who do not vote for him. Just like PET didn't like Quebecers who didn't vote for him, just like Harper doesn't like Toronto.
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President Bush said on Tuesday that he bore responsibility for any failures of the federal government in its response to Hurricane Katrina and suggested that he was unsure whether the country was adequately prepared for another catastrophic storm or terrorist attack.

"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government, and to the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Mr. Bush said in an appearance in the East Room with President Jalal Talabani of Iraq. "I want to know what went right and what went wrong."

In response to a reporter who asked if Americans, in the wake of the hurricane, should be concerned about the government's ability to respond to another disaster or a terrorist attack, Mr. Bush said: "I want to know how to better cooperate with state and local government, to be able to answer that very question that you asked: Are we capable of dealing with a severe attack or another severe storm? And that's a very important question."

Throughout his nearly five years in office, Mr. Bush has resisted publicly acknowledging mistakes or shortcomings, and his willingness in this case to edge up to a buck-stops-here statement, however conditional, was evidence of how shaken his presidency has been by the political fallout from the government's handling of the storm.

It also set the stage for a White House effort to pivot from dealing with urgent rescue and relief efforts to setting out a vision of how the federal government could help rebuild devastated communities and re-establish Mr. Bush's image as a leader.
From NYTimes 9/14/05
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Also interesting. Here is a picture of Bush giving McCain a birthday cake at the White House... 3 days after Gov. Blanco issued a State of emergency but prior to surveying damage or calling in the National Guard.
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050829-5_p082905pm-0125-515h.html)
--sorry for the link.

I'd be a US moderate, but you have to be nuts to think that Bush did for N.O. the same that he would do for Houston.

re: dark ages at the gates

America will not fail in our lifetime
evil shall not prevail
the MSM has lost its credibility
and liberalism has revealed itself to be a group of angry anarchists intent on eradicating western values and individual freedoms

God Bless George W. Bush and the United States of America
without whom we'd all be speaking Chinese and living in mudhuts

Among the biggest Bush haters and American bashers we can count our Canadian Media and Liberal/Left politicos across the board.
Since they cannot have it both ways, they're on side with the worst the world has to offer, those who are causing all the problems we are fighting today.

Jay, you and your ilk are not worth the time of day let alone the sacrifices made by the US Military and protection we enjoy as friends and neighbours of the United States.

Jon,
A leader takes responsibility for his government. As President ultimately he was responsible. To say that he as a person was responsible for all failures committed by government employees, that he knew every detail of plans, that he should have been out there bailing water is ludicrous. Give your head a shake.

Who is Kanye West? Why should anyone care? Donny Osmond may back Bush, does that give him any more or less credibility? Kanye is a friggin musician.

There are many levels of government. Legally each level of government is responsible for their own layer until they ask for help up the chain. If the federal government had gone in without the permission of the state level, that would have been blatantly illegal and I am sure there would have been a crapstorm at that point too.

The Mayor was incompetent and did not evacuate. The Governor was incompetent and did not evacuate. Money spent for fixing dykes was misspent.

And you know what? I do not care about black people. I care about people but people have to care about themselves too. Clinton was the first "black" president or so they say. This is because he nodded, held their shoulders and had sex with black women. Bush has appointed more black people to positions of power as advisors and leaders then any president ever before.
What do ya think of that?

Liz,
I am with you and the US. Maybe you have me mistaken with jon.

The never ending carping and condemnation of Fox news as biased shows how out of touch the left is with any reality. One major cable network and news organization is not on the left. One. Must be biased.

yeah right....al gore would have been a better leader of the free world than GWB.

The post you quote is garbage. Kevin Rudd? ran on an anti-Bush policy platform, particularly in Iraq. I know. I was there. Pakistan? Good Lord. There are other examples in this post.

It's worthless and it's embarrassing that you saw fit to quote it.

Yes, there are examples that support the thesis and exampled that don't. This post reports all the examples that don't as if they do.

It's stupid.

no readers comments again?

The Euroweenies bother me more than anyone, talk about a group that piddled away the post-Cold War benefits. The fools are on the road to recreating the same deadening totalitarian state as the old USSR via their EU Polituro in Brussels. Who secures the Straits of Hormuz 24/7? It never crosses their snivelling arrogant minds. I say let Putin cut their gas off or Iran get them in their nuclear missile line of fire. It would be a real attitude re-adjustment that so soundly they deserve.

And, here's the irony, we in NA, descendants of marginal and poorly educated farmers/tradesmen, Europe's dregs, carved out a continent and created more personal freedom and wealth than Europeans have ever known. They've burned themselves twice to the ground last century, unleashed the horror of Marxism and the Holocaust, the death toll Europeans have extracted on each other is obscene.

Oh, they hate Bush all right because to a bunch of effete groupthink socialist losers he's decisive and unnuanced. 3000 of our citizens were murdered, he struck back. Iran could level half of France tomorrow and there would be an emotional statement read by the French ambassador at the UN, and, that's it, folks.

John, what failure in Iraq? Iraq is over, no civil war, Iran didn't colonize it, no mass demonstrations in the streets for Americans to go home. And, US presidents don't control the Federal Reserve, they are a private entity, so the money supply, interest rates, and now the housing bubble belongs squarely at their door. US presidents don't control the price of oil, the world's users do.

I wish Bush would have been less a compromiser and more of a fiscal conservative. I'll fault him for that.

Jay,

Based on your candor I assume you are not a politician. A political leader gains power by getting a plurality of people to vote for him. Bush obviously did that.

A leader isn't anything you prescribe. A leader could be a deaf mute, so long as people are willing to follow.

I suggest you take a deep breath and reconsider what I wrote... consider the Kanye West thing as a reference to people with Bush Derangement syndrome.

Please read what I wrote, rather than what you think I mean.

Thanks.

I guess this means that 70% of Americans are Islamic Fascists, Europhiles, Communists, and Tyrants.

Being the leader of the most powerful nation on earth is not a popularity contest.

btw, who gets called on firstwhen there is a disaster somewhere in the world?

ps, there are still thousands of lazy SOBs whining in Houston and other places in Texas, waiting for someone to build them a new house to move into.

Consider this; Where have all the terrorist attacks taken place since 911?

"just like Harper doesn't like Toronto"

I take exception to this statement. In fact NO ONE LIKES TORONTO!!

Horny Toad

My hubby and I are on a trip south golfing. Today when we were in the Atlanta airport on our way home a contingent of American soldiers came through and they were applauded all the way through.It was the the most heartfelt thing I have ever experienced.I stood there watching with tears running down my face. It is time that we as Canadians could see our soldiers as the heros they are. I came to the realization that what Geo. W. Bush has done for this country is one of the bravest acts in 40 years!The hate comes from the MSM and from the left-liberal unthinkers.

Jon,
You quote the NY Times.
You quote Kanye West.
You have see Bush giving a cake to Mcain.
You say that Bush didn't do anything for N.O.

Your argument is weak and silly.
You may not like Bush. Fine. Unfortunately you attribute motives and actions that are simply untrue and dumb.

If I misconstrued what you wrote, trying to decipher your words is a herculean task. I could fisk your statement line by line but I believe that you would disagree with that too.
Is this the way the left thinks? No wonder you guys leave a wake of destruction in your path.

Accept my humble apology Jay, you are quite right!!!!

Bush is not and was not perfect. His legacy will be up to history to decide. What was Clintons legacy by the way?

Even Reagan compromised and failed at some things. Pulling the Marines out of Lebanon after the horrible bombing turns out on hindsight to have encouraged Iran and its puppets. A twisty path that leads to many current events

The problem with compromising with stupidity is that it makes one stupider.

While I agree with most comments placed herein and to a large extent am pro-Bush myself, one sector of the globe that is turning rabidly anti-Bush and anti-American is South and possibly Central America. Here leftist leaning governments are becoming the norm. Amir Taheri points out the growing influence of Chavez and Iran in this theatre. See:

www.benadorassociates.com/article/21210

If Kayne West says that Bush doesn't like blacks,it must be true. Also,both Willie Nelson and Tommy Chong say that 9/11 was an 'inside job'.I don't see how anyone can refute these facts,:).

How can Bush be the most hated president when he was one of the most loved at the end of his first term and pulled great numbers? The only people that hate him are those that want the US to bend over and prostate itself to either Russia or China. (real conservative)

Ah yes three of my favorite topics: GWB, Rap and T.O.

As I started reading the comments I was motivated to responds ASAP to statements like "Bush f'd everything up ect..." but it seems that everyone has responded with some common sense. I will just add that Democrats didn't oppose the Iraq war. (at least they voted,they didn't sit on their hands for political gain)

GWB is truly a great! He has stood firm on his convictions in the face of unrelenting media bias against him. This is a quality I try to teach my daughters. I have learned that to say "I support GWB" might as well be a crime where I work. I posted some good news stories on the board(WRT Iraq, Afghan.) at work and was reprimanded; but, there is tons of GW propaganda and Station 22 rally calls, yet I get blasted for putting up politically charged articles.

I feel a bit for Kanye West. Some may not know this, but their is a lot of pressure from the black community for its celebrities to speak out on black issues. If you have a podium you are expected to say something disruptive towards the government, or your own people will turn on you. You can see this in the black communities reaction to Mike Jordan's and Tiger Wood's not speaking up on black issues. In black academia and in their community they are considered "sell outs or uncle Toms". I love Kanye's music, but he sounded like an idiot to the average Joe when he blasted GWB. To the black community he is a hero for saying what he did. This is why there will not be a black president this time around, not because America isn't ready, but because the black community isn't ready. The black belief system has to come into line with mainstream America to get those votes, not the other way around. You have to listen to the "Blackman's CNN" to truly understand how engrained the philosophy of J.Wright and others is in the black community.

As for Torontards, grow some balls and call an election.

Earl the Pearl, hey, we are living in perilous times. Scary, isn't it. The only decade I can think of that matches this one is the 1930's when vacuous fools were as plentiful, ignoring the, as Churchill noted, "gathering storm".

Europe is doing what they do best, nothing. The Russians are doing what they do best, posturing. The world's thugs are filling the vacuum.

We'll probably get that lame empty suit, Obama, as President on the next round and it will be fine until he has to be, well, presidential. The left is a bigger enemy to our freedom than any raggedy-assed terrorist ever was. Sadly, for the history and logically challenged we will probably have to slip back before we can move forward.

Bush was never perfect, but, who ever is. To the anti-Americans that wish we would disappear, just what 911 are you going to call when you need a good cop. Look at Lebanon, they had the Israelis there not that long ago routing Hezbollah out of their borders. Did they help them?. No. So, now they can live like terrified serfs with Hezbollah or die in greater numbers getting rid of them.

History will judge George Bush much more kindly. Better Bush than Gore or Kerry or Clinton. All people will remember of Clinton is a stained dress.

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Jay,

Please read thread from beginning. Understand this: Bush is a crappy president. Trudeau was a crappy PM. A leader is someone who has people following them. Just because I read the new york times and quote a rediculous comment from an idiot rapper does not mean I'm a leftist.

I'm just a moderate conservative... rather than an ideologue.

Conservative reasons for Bush being a crappy president:

1) Price of oil from 35 to 125 in 8 years.
2) Increasing size of government ~30%
3) Increased debt
4) HAS NOT CAUGHT OSAMA BIN LADEN
5) Almost guaranteed that Dems will win in '08
6) Destroyed confidence amongst moderates
7) Lost Senate Majority
8) Lost Congressional Majority

I hope some people realise here that Bush II is a poor to terrible president. He has hurt the cause of conservatism in the US.

Also, I quoted Bush AS QUOTED IN THE NY TIMES. Please read first, then comment.

Also Jay,

Every time that McCain (my guy for 2008) is seen with Bush (re: the picture)... it makes the 70% of Americans who believe that Bush is not doing a good job associate that with McCain.

Please do not associate your inability to read with my inability to write.

A parallel to Bush hatred.

Then there was "Hate Week". A pale sun broke through the grimy windows. A man, with the glint of light turning his glasses into white discs, babbled. "Duck Speak".
The grimy unwashed mob, men and women screamed their hate. "Goldstein, Goldstein, Goldstein". It was hate and more hate.
They returned to their work. Their outrage sated, their misery exhausted.
Big Brother ruled.

"Conservative reasons for Bush being a crappy president:

1) Price of oil from 35 to 125 in 8 years.
2) Increasing size of government ~30%
3) Increased debt
4) HAS NOT CAUGHT OSAMA BIN LADEN
5) Almost guaranteed that Dems will win in '08
6) Destroyed confidence amongst moderates
7) Lost Senate Majority
8) Lost Congressional Majority"

1) that was Clinton not Bush increasing the demand for oil with his penis.

2) Bushes true flaw, the question is what is the alternative? Obama?

3) War is expensive. Democrats and Republicans all share responsibility for this one.

4) F**K BinHidden. People who narrow success to finding this guy were not listening to Bush when he spoke at ground zero. This "war on terror" is much larger than that lanky coward.

5) Obama is toast. The fact that the super delegates do not appear to be siding with Billery is the best thing for the party long term, but in the short term it almost guarantee's a GOP victory.

6) It is Obama who will lose the moderates.(White women)

7)&8) Americans who voted Dem and gave them the majority in congress wasted their vote,the Democatic congress has delivered nothing. Congress approval is lower than that of the President, it is the Democrats that will feel the pain in the end. It is evident to most that this congress has been one of the most ineffective in history. Our Liberals and their Democrats will be shocked when their base doesn't vote for them because of both of their incompetence and inability to be the least bit effective.

Jon,
Your posts have been as devoid of content as your blog link is.
Despite your blather you still do not make sense. Yes a leader has someone following him. And I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Are you a dictionary?
Jon when you believe the NY Times, when you believe the pap the media is feeding you, including Kanye, you are a leftist.

Mcain has 1 thing going for him as a conservative.

1. He is a warrior. He was perhaps the most influential person on advising Bush to do the surge in Iraq. The successful surge in Iraq might I add. He will continue in Iraq until the job is done.

That's it. He is very center even left on the rest of his politics. He could be a JFK democrat. Maybe he actually represents the traditional democrat party more than anyone in the last 40 years.

Once again, hindsight is 20/20;

Given the same information at the time, most prominent Democrats voted for the war against Iraq. Of course they're free to wash their hands now and make Bush wear it. So what? All it says is Democrats are cowards and hypocrites. Not fit to run the US.

Whether right or wrong by history, Bush did make decisions, as a leader is expected to do, given the information at the time.

Democrats? Not one with any honour, moral sense of obligation, common sense, or vision since Kennedy.

New Orleans is Bush's fault? That's a juvenile way of looking at the sytem. The US is a big and tested system with default modes. No one person can take that blame. You'd have to be a complete and utter moron to believe otherwise.

Having said that, there's a lot I don't like about certain Bush foreign policies. I don't like the cosy Saudi relationship, given that they and Egypt support more Islamofascist terrorism than anybody else. I don't like the fact that America doesn't demand separation of religion and state, the closure of madrassas, the imprisonment of terrorist imams, the absolute banning of shariah and demanding they sign onto and honour the UN's Declaration of Universal Human Rights as an obligation for aid amongst its Islamic 'clients.' I don't like the misdirected, fabricated and dangerous language, "War against terror," "Islam is a religion of peace," and "One of the great religions that's been hijacked." And I don't like the fact that oil still controls politics through the wallet.

Play'nWitYoMomma: God I hope and pray that you are right!
Obama as Pres will negotiate with the scum. He will likely be successful. The scum will crawl back into their holes and rebuild their forces and alliances. When they are ready they will attack again. But they will attack a weakened US just as they did on 9/11. History repeats itself for those who don't learn it's lessons.

Jay,

Please see what I wrote earlier on understanding. Reading something (like the NYTimes or your banal posts) does not make you believe it; otherwise I would have to believe the vitriol that you've been spewing on this thread.

I'm not interested in an extended flamewar with you.

Play'n,

1) All presidents blame the previous administration. As our halfwit friend Jay tried to pound out using his hooves earlier, a leader should take responsibility for things that have occurred under their administration.

2) My point was about what made Bush bad in general, not compared to other terrible options.

3) If he fought the war like a man, with enough troops, it would have been cheaper. Again, not wanting to comparing him to others but... even FDR managed to launch a real assault during ww2 and he was an elderly cripple democrat.

4) If I may use ww2 as an analogue again. It would be like the US not going after Japan when it realised that Germany was a bigger threat. Osama is the leader of the Organization that attacked US on US soil. Bush is either weak for not getting them, or incompetent, not unlike our resident dunce Jay.

5) I can't argue with you about the outcome of the future. I still think that McCain will have a hard time winning in 2008, despite being the better of 2 men, unlike Jay the Dim.

6) Once again, this is a prediction of the future so it's unlikely that either of us know what is going to happen.

7&8) Americans did waste their votes on Dems in the midterms. They did however decide to vote for the Dems in part because Bush had very low approval numbers. Also Bush appeared at the time to be losing the war in Iraq, in which he was commander in chief (that means President, Jay).

I was just discussing with my co-workers today about how Bush may not be remembered as a failure like 70% of Americans see him now. As someone wrote above: Iraqis probably have a different view of him. I work on a reservation, and most natives (as my locals prefer to be called when called collectively) see him as a visionary leader for his policies on homeland protection and immigration.

History may judge him differently than the present, one can only hope the same for Jay.

One last note for Jay,

Perhaps when you are paid real money for writing, politicking or any other talent that you may be hiding, you'll realise that sometimes it's better not to give it away for free. After all, a conservative should be wise enough to know that in all labour there is profit but in talk, mere poverty. (Proverbs - It's a book in the bible)

I hope you recognize what you are, because the purpose of your life seems to be only a warning for those following behind you.

Best Regards,

Jon

Irwin,

Hindsight is 20/20, but Bush's approval rating might be an indication of how many Americans think he did/is doing the right thing. You might point out that his approval ratings were really high when Iraq II started. The citizens also expected that he would win as he said he would... to be greeted as a liberator. Americans should win wars against militias of Arabs... but they aren't/weren't which is one thing that I use to blame him for losing the Senate and the House.

I hope Obama doesn't win, but hope and reality aren't (may not be) the same thing. We've been discussing that very issue on this blog for weeks; Obama's campaign is about running on hope, which is why we all make fun of him (much the same way I do Jay).

Play'n,

Irwin is right:

9) I don't like the cosy Saudi relationship, given that they and Egypt support more Islamofascist terrorism than anybody else.

10) I don't like the fact that America doesn't demand separation of religion and state, the closure of madrassas, the imprisonment of terrorist imams, the absolute banning of shariah. Note: Fixed it for you Irwin... the UN is a Joke.

11) I don't like the misdirected, fabricated and dangerous language, "War against terror," "Islam is a religion of peace," and "One of the great religions that's been hijacked."

12) I don't like the fact that oil still controls politics through the wallet.

There are many reasons why many people think Bush has been a bad president, right now I can only think of 12 off the top of my and Irwin's head.

As an aside: I too like Kanye, but mostly because some of his lyrics (like Jesus Walks) demonstrate a depth of understanding (unlike Jay). He also raps about many of the same issues I see on SDA (as a 5 year veteran), like the foolishness of going to university for the sake of going, or the decay of socialism (The Ghetto as he calls it) and how individual talent helps bring him away from it.

The thing I like about Toronto most is that I moved away from it 8 years ago.

So Play'n and Irwin, it's nice to see you as always.

Bush is a terrible president who's spent 1 Trillion dollars on a war that can not be one. The man is a bad president who's spending on this war makes any socialist's budget look conservative.

Imagine how much wealth he's squandered with this bill which will cost each American about $20,000 personally!

I am no bleeding heart liberal. Sure Bush needed to deal with jihadism, however a Cold War in the spirit of Ronald Reagan would have been the way to go. Expelling anyone associated with jihadism from the USA would have been the way to go. But anyone who says Bush is a good president needs to have their head examine.

Folks, just because the left hates Bush's presidency, does not mean we on the right need to say we love him. Dare I say it, even Jimmy Carter was a better president.

Consider what has been lost with going into debt to the tune of 1 Trillion dollars?

http://www.500billion.com/option4.htm

Jimmy Carter was a better president?

Curiously, none of my tax dollars went to the US Treasury.

With a nic like Tim Horton, I'm sure none of your tax dollars went there, either. Or, did they?

They'd better make the most of their Bush-bashing.

They've got less than eight months left.

It would be worth having Obama as president just to see how all these "progressives" and whiners react the first time he does something to upset their vision of him.

Because whatever they might think of him now, once he's president, he'll inevitably have to act in America's interest first at some point.

'The Liberal claim that G. W. Bush is the most hated American president of all time is, in fact, true ... if only "progressives", Islamic Fascists, Europhiles, Communists, and Tyrants are polled."

That's really profound. So...if you don't poll the people who don't approve of Bush, it turns out people approve of him?

Brilliant analysis.

Jon,
I am glad that you are not interested in a flamewar with me. If you mentioned my name anymore people might actually think you were referring to me, 8 times after you were done with me.

Genocide. Mr. Bush understands it. Apparently millions don't.

During Lincoln's presidency, he was criticized for taking what were considered "extra-constitutional measures." But in the end, the verdict of history is that Lincoln's use of power did not constitute abuse since every survey of historians ranks Lincoln as number one among the great presidents.

Far harsher would have been his denunciation if the whole American experiment of a democratic Union had failed--as seemed possible given the circumstances. If such a disaster occurred, what benefit would have been gained by adhering to a fallen Constitution? It was a classic example of the age-old conflict in a democracy: how to balance individual rights with security for a nation.

In the words of historian James G. Randall: "No president has carried the power of presidential edict and executive order (independently of Congress) so far as [Lincoln] did.... It would not be easy to state what Lincoln conceived to be the limit of his powers.

In the 80 days that elapsed between Abraham Lincoln's April 1861 call for troops--the beginning of the Civil War--and the official convening of Congress in special session on July 4, 1861, Lincoln performed a whole series of important acts by sheer assumption of presidential power. Lincoln, without congressional approval, called forth the militia to "suppress said combinations, which he ordered "to disperse and retire peacefully" to their homes. He increased the size of the Army and Navy, expended funds for the purchase of weapons, instituted a blockade--an act of war--and suspended the precious writ of habeas corpus, all without congressional approval.

Lincoln termed these actions not the declaration of "civil war," but rather the suppression of rebellion. We all know that only Congress is constitutionally empowered to declare war, but suppression of rebellion has been recognized as an executive function, for which the prerogative of setting aside civil procedures has been placed in the President's hands.

For example, at this very moment, our country is involved in a war with Iraq. The war has not been formally declared. Where Lincoln used the term "suppression of rebellion," President Bush has couched this effort as a movement to liberate Iraq's people from their dictator and to prevent acts of terrorism against Americans and the citizens of other countries.

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Sound familiar.

I have already made a point of telling my wife on numerous occasions and a few close friends that it will be interesting to see how history will view GWB in 25-50 years, especially when those children of the middle east become adults. Many from the left hope that they will grow up hating America, thus justifying their long held beliefs. I believe history will judge GWB in a far greater light as he will be seen as the first leader of the world to recognize the fight against global Islamofascism.

The average person has a very limited grasp of history, has the attention span of a music video and has not been taught logic or how to interpret events in any context.

We expect to be told what is the correct way of thinking but of course only from approved sources.

How is it that history will judge G.W. favorably? Seriously, how can one arrive at that conclusion based on the body of evidence, both foreign and domestic, as to what is occuring in the U.S....and abroad via the USAs foreign policy blunders that are too numerous to convey.

It amazes me, yet again, when partisanship becomes the prime-mover of ones interpretation of reality & the facts. At what expense? The truth-for one.

G.W. viewed favorably...LOL...plz do not lend me your crystal ball when I am trying to decide...well, decide anything!

Bush alone cannot be blamed for US ME foreign policy vis a vis the Saudi and Egyptian special relationships. This client state policy certainly dates back to the cold war and the necessary balance of influence and power. Not to mention, energy and profits.

However, it seems to me that both Junior and Senior enjoyed this special relationship more than others.

The status quo is invalid. A foreign policy paradigm shift is necessary. It's obscene that America through aid and oil dependence is engineering its own, if not the west's demise through Saudi and Egyptian financed conquest strategies (active and passive jihad).

Or is it just a case of keeping your enemies closer?

Irwin,

I believe it is a case of the short term benefits of using Saudi Oil are considered more significant than the long term problems of doing so. What many people miss is that the House of Saud has been in power for a very short time (in ME context). Up to WW2 the Arabian Peninsula was British Controlled.

Personally I think that we're putting the costs of our Saudi oil dependency on our children. They will be the ones who have to deal with the possible future chaos.

The oil is a decent deal right now, but we're not considering the externalities of our actions... similar to how Bush didn't consider the external consequences of going into Iraq. The whole world was behind the war on terror before 5 years ago.

13) Bush managed to destroy the War on Terror alliance by unilaterally invading Iraq.

Bush intended to take the war on terror outside of the US. The number of attacks on US soil since 9/11? Keeping the fanatics fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq seems to have tied up very many dead terrorists. If you believe that the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq created only new fighters and the rest took time off from fighting, then yeah Bush screwed up.
If you believe that jihadis flocked to Afghanistan and Iraq to fight US forces then the situation changes.
When Iraq beats the foreign fighters and the internal terrorists in those countries and no US attacks have taken place, that may be the legacy Bush ends up with. Building a democracy in the middle east would be a great legacy.
The US is winning in Iraq. The surge was a success. The political process is working albeit not by western current standards.

Jay, I totally agree with your previous comment. Anyone who thinks America could shrink back into "
Cold War" mode after having its' institutions attacked on 9/11 has their head up their butt.

The last major "terrorist" attack on U.S. soil before 9/11 was Pearl Harbour by the Imperial Japanese. The goals of the Japanese back then were nearly identical to those of Islamic extremists today: brutal expansionism and totalitarian control empowered by supremacist ideology. The U.S. won the war with Japan and ended their reign of terror on neighbouring countries only by bringing them to their knees in an unconditional surrender. A cold war would not have stopped Japan's tyranny, it just would have isolated and weakened the U.S. How different would the world be if the U.S. let Japan "win" and increase the power and influence of their racially hateful and criminally violent society?

As with Imperial Japan, victory against Islamic extremism can only be won if the enemy is pursued where they operate and exteme force is used without hesitation to overwhelm (i.e. War on Terror). There's no Hiroshima or Nagasaki to quickly break the back of Islamic extremism in their home territory - but victory must be attained over there in order to get what the Japanese gave in the face of obliteration: unconditional surrender. Ultimately that is where peace will come from.

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