Ya gotta love the idiot editor who spliced in stock footage of PENGUINS to illustrate a story about the Arctic. Check it out at the 29-sec mark.

And ya just gotta love our heroine, who, after her training session with a rifle (to learn how to protect herself from polar bears) said she'd rather hug the creatures instead. Right. One Brit popsicle treat for mamma polar bear coming up!

Penguins in the Arctic -- NOW do you believe in global warming ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

She is well on her way to being a GoreBot . . . fraud is ok if it sells the message.

And skiing 80 miles !! In other words she was FLOWN into the zone . . you know on a Carbon spewing aircraft.

I'm going to ignore the stupidity with the penguins for the moment, and move on to the following:
If vapid chickie-poo there was truly concerned about global warming, she wouldn't have hopped on that plane, and gone on such a faraway trek - with full camera crew, no less! Her vacation would have been spent some place she could have walked to from home, rather than burn up all those fossil fuels to get to the north pole.

She may also have have wanted to consider the pollutants she was leaving behind. Or does she think her turds are going to magically trqansform into something a tad less toxic and unsanitary? What did she do with the toilet paper? The dead batteries from the cameras? The food waste? Wrappers? Are we to believe that she made sure to leave nothing but her footprints behind?

Sorry, gang, but this shakes out to be nothing more than another spew of hot air by a Gulfstream environmentalist with a personal agenda.

Re: Dagny Taggart "Are we to believe that she made sure to leave nothing but her footprints behind?"

Having personally been there or at least on the most northerly point of land to the pole, I can tell you that pole trekkers leave more than footprints. We were searching for a pole trekker who decided he didn't like his co-trekker's company and headed back south by himself. When he didn't show up, your friendly neighbourhood Canadian Armed Forces were sent out to look for him. We followed the trekker's trail by following the garbage! Empty sled? Leave it behind. Your fancy polar parka got wet? Leave it on the ice. Heck, I even saw an abandoned scientific station that was left to sink in a lead but ended up on shore.

BTW, there are also no gas stations up there so aircraft operating up in the arctic have to make several trips to cache fuel dumps so they can actually get up there with the princess & entourage.

Well, I liked the "eeek!" when "she had to learn to shoot a gun."

I couldn't understand the accent very well but from what I did understand: what a dunderhead. Like father like daughter. Though way better looking (after all she IS interested in make-up!!!!!)

Penguins and fluffy headed young girls. Yes, the fraud will succeed. The Newcoms ... (New Age Green Communists) have aced the proper target, empty-headed school kids. I call that child abuse.

The penguin was the cherry on the sundae.

She "had to learn to fire a gun".

That was a gun?!

"I'd probably try to hug it instead"

Halt planet, please. I can't take much more of this.

Another scene caught my eye, as well as the North Pole penguins, and that was the collapsing ice towers. Wasn't that the computer generated scene from the movie 'The Day After Tomorrow'?....the same scene that LooneyAl plagiarized for his schlocumentary?

I liked "Top Gear's" expedition to the Magnetic North Pole last year. It was way better. They did it in modified Toyato Hilux (aka Tacoma here) pick up trucks. No open water then either, but plenty of polar bears (not the huggable type).

No no, you're missing the point, this was about dialogue. They do these things to get people talking about global warming and to raise awareness.
We all need to do this.
I'm going to go the the drag races this weekend and drink a bunch of beer to raise awareness of global warming and start a dialogue.
Then maybe I'll go shoot a few gophers to raise awareness of global warming and promote dialogue.
The snow is all gone so I can't go snowmobiling to raise awareness of global warming and promote dialogue so maybe I'll just have to cruise around in the ol' V8 hotrod to raise awareness of global warming and promote dialogue.
Maybe if I run out of other things to do to raise awareness of global warming and promote dialogue I'll light an old tractor tire on fire and roast a whooping crane or burrowing owl to raise a awareness of global warming and promote dialogue.
Apparently you can't burn enough carbon in the pursuit of raising awareness of global warming and promoting dialogue, because as you know, not every one is aware of global warming yet so we have to promote dialogue and raise awareness of global warming by burning fossil fuels to raise awareness of global warming and promote dialogue.
The fate of the planet is in our hands.

LOOK LOOK! Shiny thing over there!

All 2000 or so Scientist must be wrong! It's a plot! Oh gawd, look under the bed quick!

And Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Just ask one of those southern soap box guys, they will tell ya. Co-incidentally, the same people play whistle in the dark on climate change.

It wuz a commie plot, no wait, that's the old bogeyman. It's the Muslims, no, wait, it's the leftards, no wait it's BOTH! Jaysus told 'em so..

Maybe the plot was perpetrated by msnbc, and some swarthy faced undercover government agent planned the whole darn thing.

In Canada, Muslims represent about 2% of the population. Sadly, rightards represent a significantly higher percentage.

Shine them tin foil hats k?

Hugger

Wasn't it nice of her father to convert the distance to the 30 miles for the American audience.With all the splicing and dicing, what is the real story here?

Umm, worried about frostbite on her bum while going to the loo? "Feeling the Arctic wind at 40 below."

How is it then that the Arctic is melting?

I was at the Ekati Diamond mine three weeks ago. With the windchill it was -45C.
The whole winter was cold as hell.

"All 2000 or so Scientist must be wrong! It's a plot! Oh gawd, look under the bed quick!"

And how many scietists where actually vetting climate change data -600 of the 2400, how many reviewed ALL the data- 34 of the 600, with many of those demanding their names be removed because the "consensus" did not match their recommendations. So 34 of your 2400 (not 2000) actually reviewed all the data.

Besides have you not heard GLOBAL WARMING IS ON HOLD- you know that funky thing called the Atlantic decadal oscillation which warms and cools the oceans- AND CREATES LARGE FLUCTUATIONS IN THE TEMPERATURE!!!!

Good thing they stopped driving their horse-U-Vs during the medievil warming period (3 degrees warmer than today) long enough to bring on the mini ice age of the 1600's

And stop using my name

I spent a couple of years in the high arctic (1950-52) and can assure you that the little twit's "expedition" never would have gone anywhere near an ice calving event like the one shown in the video. I can't be sure which, but that was either Antarctica or southern Alaska - probably the former.

Can anyone tell me what message "Hugger" was trying to convey in his uber-confused post? What a boob.

dam n them arctic penguins all to he11!

what is next to go? plains gorillers?
desert dolphins? flying minkeys? al gores internet? dr. mengele susukis beard hairs?

the horror , the horror, the lies, the idiocy, the loo , the freezing rich buttocks , the .....

Poor Hugger...you're very confused, dear. Now go lie down. Oh, before you do, mull this over:

Penguins - North Pole
What's wrong with that?

Al Gore invented the internet. Right? Did he also invent the Nigerian bank scheme?

"I'd probably try and hug it"

Lets not push the value of being realistic in schools. It's more of a value to be "nice" and daft
when it comes to real life.

Just the type of thinking that laps up propaganda about the "End of the world".

Want to bet that Camilla's highest and best use to society has been shopping prior to daddy's Artic expedition gig?

And, that canned bimbo's journalism voice, gag. The whole thing is a parody - two bimbos converging in a "serious" at play piece with a "serious" science theme by a "serious" journalist tableau. Gag.

At least it wasn't blatantly recycled fake footage from "The Day After Tommorow"

LiveLeak has it up:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a8_1210107446

it's ok folks obama is gonna fix it all....

Ummmmm. If all the pen-gu-ins are geading for the North Pole,does that mean that the endangered 25,000+ polar bears are heading for the South Pole and that's why the Goracles think they are disappearing? C'mon MSNBC,inquiring minds want to know!!
And oh huggie. We will stop pointing out the once-in-a-generation coolings as proof AGW is a ponzi scheme,when you stop using once in a lifetime warming as proof that the earth is burning up.

She is well on her way to being a GoreBot . . . fraud is ok if it sells the message.


You mean Gorbait don't cha..

What I don't understand is why people think that the North Pole must be covered in ice, like the world will end or something if the ice melts.

This girl stating she'd probably rather hug a polar bear, just goes to show that the propaganda surrounding those man-eaters is just that.

...global warming produces temperatures of -40c where you'd get frostbite going to the loo...

Why don't we establish a breeding colony of polar bears in Antarctica? Plenty of food with all the penguins around. If Arctic polar bears are threatened then we would have some way down south.

Greg at 5:05 PM, and out of those, only five attributed global warming to man, oh and I had the name first! And hugger, bite me!

ran across this at newsbusters, its a great Rex Murphy rant on bio fuels and global warming. Takes a couple of well directed shots at the goracle.

http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/23745/thenational/archive/rex-050108.wmv

tranio, polar bears to Antarctica. I like it. My only worry is the poor things might freeze to death.

I have spent a LONG time trying to find an email (early 1990s) where I included part of a ship's log from the 1700s or 1800s.

I think the ship was British, and it went up into the Arctic where they found vast expanses of open water. There were comments that could easily have been made today. I believe the Admiral used the term "global-warming".

Does ANYBODY remember, or have the Webpage where I might have found this?

At least my search lets me know if ancient backups I made worked or not!

Greg at 5:05 PM, and out of those, only five attributed global warming to man, oh and I had the name first! And hugger, bite me!
Posted by: Greg G at May 7, 2008 11:13 PM

Classic rightard debating skills. Does your Mom go to college too?

Hugger

Hey Huggy Bear,

I see you've resorted to classic libtard debating skills, name calling and mother-bashing.

BTW, sorry for the threadjack everyone, but Huggy started it. Sadaam did have WMD's.

Viking?

I have never seen a group more prone to whining than the rightards here. They love to throw sh*t and then whine if it gets thrown back. Quite the Vikings. My post didn't have your name on it did it? It was for the guy who asked me to bite him. Sometimes you get what you wish for.

On the WMD's, it appears everyone else understood the reference. That being the justification for beginning the war in Iraq. Do you have further evidence to substantiate the existence of said WMDs in Iraq around the time of March, 2003? If so, feel free to share it with us.

Hugger

"On the WMD's, it appears everyone else understood the reference. That being the justification for beginning the war in Iraq. Do you have further evidence to substantiate the existence of said WMDs in Iraq around the time of March, 2003? If so, feel free to share it with us.

Hugger"

Ask the Kurds, they might disagree with you.

Russia, China, France, Germany, Britain and the US all sold him WMD- they still have the receipts. The question NEVER was did he have WMDs, the question was where are they. Evidence and statements by Russian defectors point to moving them to Syria. Don't you know what "Sarandar" is?

Just try google, were not supposed to feed the trolls, otherwise they multiply kind of like gremlins

She foound pen-gu-ins at the North Pole? I knew she took that left toin at Alb-e-coiky.

As Schwarze Tulpe mentioned above, the Top Gear people have done this already. Very politically incorrect - especially the Toyota Hilux.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utzvVwT8YDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au3lPNc-lGU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydhCtLCGVvE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEgjt3GUOKM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goP8PiGG6uU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qkdKfR8X3s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3qNnmXVowQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDob1_FRLUw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGO9cA359kQ&feature=related

were not supposed to feed the trolls otherwise they multiply kind of like gremlins
Posted by: Greg at May 8, 2008 10:38 AM

Indeed, when then-US Secretary of State Colin Powell gave his infamous presentation to the United Nations Security Council in February 2003 during which he made the case that Iraq presented an immediate threat to global security, his comments about Saddam Hussein's alleged biological weapons program were based largely on information provided by the BND.
The information, as it famously turned out, was completely wrong -- and it came from one single source, codenamed "Curveball." An Iraqi engineer who came to Germany seeking asylum in the winter of 1999, "Curveball" was ultimately interviewed by BND agents more than 50 times by the summer of 2001 and provided them with detailed information about the alleged mobile biological weapons laboratories.

Dated March 20, 2008

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,542708,00.html

Again, the post was directed to ViKing, who was responding to my post directed to you. Now you respond to the post directed to him. Are you one and same?

My post said; "Do you have further evidence to substantiate the existence of said WMDs in Iraq around the time of March, 2003? If so, feel free to share it with us."

You did not answer the question. Instead you refer to another tin foil hat conspiracy theory. Sigh...
It wuz dem commies! That's yesterdays bogeyman, leave him under the bed.

And that's Mr. Troll to you, and don't forget it.

Hugger

I'm willing to put big money on the chances of the polar bear. All joking aside though, I have a 12 year old son and I have used all of this absolutely ridiculous propaganda in a positive manner. Instead of letting the little guy get obsessed with all of the fear mongering, I have chosen to use this as an ongoing lesson for him about how the masses are willing to go along with an accepted orthodoxy and not examine or question things like junk science or jesters like Al Gore and Susuki. I am almost thankful for all of this. It has helped him evolve into a critical thinker with a mind of his own.

So you believe the US Govt. Manipulated the public over Iraq?

But heaven forbid political manipulation could be behind Global Warming Theory.

Typical left wing hypocrisy.

The above post was for Greg or Hugger or whatever he wants his friends to call him.

"Rightard"

Where do you suppose a clever and resourceful leftard might have pilfered that term from?

Why don't intelligent people take the AGW morons seriously? It's not just the imaginary non-Science and claims of Penguins in the artic. A short history:

"Now that another Earth Day has come and gone, let's look at some environmentalist predictions that they would prefer we forget."

At the first Earth Day celebration, in 1969, environmentalist Nigel Calder warned, "The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind." C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization said, "The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed." In 1968, Professor Paul Ehrlich, Vice President Gore's hero and mentor, predicted there would be a major food shortage in the U.S. and "in the 1970s ... hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death." Ehrlich forecasted that 65 million Americans would die of starvation between 1980 and 1989, and by 1999 the U.S. population would have declined to 22.6 million. Ehrlich's predictions about England were gloomier: "If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000."

In 1975, the Environmental Fund took out full-page ads warning, "The World as we know it will likely be ruined by the year 2000."

Harvard University biologist George Wald in 1970 warned, "... civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind." That was the same year that Sen. Gaylord Nelson warned, in Look Magazine, that by 1995 "... somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct."

Lots more leftard history at: townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2008/05/07/environmentalists_wild_predictions

remember Right is Right and Left is gauche or sinister ( heraldic)

"Classic rightard debating skills. Does your Mom go to college too?"

No actually she died giving birth to my younger sister.

Muslims and Iraq have nothing to do with this post, I don't know why you brought them up, but since you did, I will postulate that you, just like most leftist twits, would gladly kneel, mouth open, before the likes of Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Fidel, Chavez et al. eternally grateful for their benevolent disposition, continuously ignoring the small fact that their regimes murdered more than a thousand, no ten thousand George W's, (the cry of a million Iraqi dead rings hollow when confronted with the stark reality of what a few thousand war dead actually look like. 3w.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm) As far as Iraq goes, I could care less the reason. I celebrate the deed, bloodthirsty MF that I am!

Why bother debating with you? You suffer from "memory hole" syndrome. Probably aquired while attending Memory Hole University in your Land of the Rising Sun.

The Northwest passage may open up again. It is not unheard of. The St.Roch navigated the passage twice. The west/ east southern route took two years. The return trip took, I believe, eighty-six days. Amundsen had previously sailed the passage in the early twentieth century although it did take three years to do so in his pitifully small vessel, but the point is, he did do it, so open water in the Arctic is not new.

The global tempratures have increased .6 degrees C in the last century, although you wouldn't know it by stepping outside today, it's currently snowing, with a forcast of five to ten centimeters accumulation. The oceans may rise .5mm this year, that too does not alarm me as it is well within the norms for the past century and even the slowest snail should be able to outrun the tidal surge.

The predictions of drought that are made every year, fail to materialize.

The melting permafrost exposes decaying vegetation,(wonder how that grew under the ice?)

The melting permafrost in Greenland exposes buried Norse settlements,(again perplexing that people would choose to build beneath the not so permanent "permafrost".)

And then there are the hysterical "sky is falling" predictions of doom and gloom! Why didn't you know hugger that it's all going to be too late in another four years anyway!

And the "gorites" believe the oceans are going to rise twenty feet! Of course as the clock winds down we realize that this event is going to have to happen over night, so get ready for that big supernova that is sure to come!

And did I forget to mention that hurricanes are going to become more frequent? Well except for last year, but that must be an aberration! Or the great BC wind that was proclaimed as yet another proof, only to fall by the wayside as another unfounded claim, destroyed it seems by meteorologist's who said wait a minute! Dust from China! And did you know, hugger, that a tree fell in Halifax once killing a man! Oh the Humanities!

And did you know, hugger, that July has only twenty-eight days? Neither did I, so you can imagine the look of astonishment on my face when the Calgary Sun newspaper, on July 29,2007, proclaimed July as the hottest on record, supported of course, by the proper authoritative talking head from Environment Canada! BTW the temperature for July 30 was 21 C, for July 31 was 24 C. And can you please have pity on the poor runners for what ever charity it was, who had to bear the almost unbearable scorching summer heat of a blistering thirty-one degrees Celsius. My little heart palpitates at their agony!

That more property damage will result from extreme weather? How inconvenient it is when I point out that it may just be because there is more property to damage? Hmm?

No hugger, the threats of global warming catastropy are failing to materialize. The polar bears are not dying, the continents are not flooding.
But Toronto still can't deal with it's garbage, Victoria and Halifax still dump their raw sewage into the ocean, your cities are heat sinks, your climate models seriously flawed, the fraud is being exposed on a daily basis, and I should debate you little hugger?

When the global warming acolytes are presented with differing viewpoints their first response is character assassination so please spare me your Hesiod theogony drivel.
I tire of you and your pathetic ilk and should EVER DISRESPECT MY MOTHER AGAIN, LEAVE YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS SO I CAN REMOVE YOUR EFFN SPINE VIA YOUR STUIPID EFFN MOUTH!

Did she pack out her poo?

I hope so. Otherwise she further soiled the Canadian Arctic with more than her airheaded presence.

And the CO2 she and the crew emitted, exherting themselves through those -40 winds.

I'm starting to think that we need to have entrance requirement to Canada from the UK as well. Start with an IQ and liberal-envirowhackjob
test...

England is falling. Might as well slam that door closed before we get further infected.

As for the gun...anyone know where I can find a copy of the Monty Python Skit "Upper Class Twits"??? I have this urge to watch it.

Did she pack out her poo?

I hope so. Otherwise she further soiled the Canadian Arctic with more than her airheaded presence.

And the CO2 she and the crew emitted, exherting themselves through those -40 winds.

I'm starting to think that we need to have entrance requirement to Canada from the UK as well. Start with an IQ and liberal-envirowhackjob
test...

England is falling. Might as well slam that door closed before we get further infected.

As for the gun...anyone know where I can find a copy of the Monty Python Skit "Upper Class Twits"??? I have this urge to watch it.

Just don't call me late for supper bob. But heaven forbid that manipulation could be behind anti global warming propaganda.

Manipulation is a good topic to discuss, as there is quite of bit of that going on. As ex. When people claim 500 experts recently came out against climate change proponents and when you do a bit of research you find other sources which say 400. Then still others who say many of these are economists, engineers, weathermen etc. Then you find more sources which say many of these people whose names were put on this list have asked for them to be removed because they weren't asked, taken out of context or simply don't support the anti GW theory.

Further to that you find many blog entries and posts that are just cherry picking and misrepresentation. Like a recent entry here about the UK weather site, which if you bother to go to it clearly says they support GW and Climate change positions. Other recent misleading and erroneous claims were made about a reference to Nasa and another to BP petroleum.I could say more, but that is manipulation.

Hugger

Posted by: Greg G at May 8, 2008 4:10 PM

There have been a number of factual based posts presented even on this blog that contradict just about everything you say, regarding climate change so you wasted your time and the time of everyone who read your drivel.

As for the rest of your childish rant, you certainly display the mentality of your kind very well. I only read bits of your skin head mentality garbage but it was enough to know you need to grow up and stop playing for sympathy. I bet you just impressed the heck out of your Aryan brotherhood buddies with your internet bravado.

Hasta la vista baby!

Hugger

I'm coming late to this talk, but Hugger, I gotta admit something. I've never been one to listen to scientists and experts unless I sought them out. The reason, mostly, is because those who talk the loudest usually have the most BS to shovel. Not always, but usually.

I don't believe in AGW, not because some egghead says it is or ain't so. I don't believe in it for the same reason that I don't believe in Santa Claus. I'd never seen him, and everything that I do know about science and physics makes me question the veracity of his existence. So when I was a kid, learning that Santa wasn't real wasn't a major blow for me, cause I'd figured it out earlier. See, I like science, and have a pretty good grounding in it.

Now here's a point for just about any disaster. Mother Gaia, as so many enviros like to talk about our little planet, is pretty big. Big enough, in fact, to completely wipe us out in a geological sneeze. Big enough to take pretty much everything we dish out. And if she doesn't like something that we do, we're dead. Thing is, except for really major stuff, like igniting the atmosphere, we can't really tell what will and what won't make the planet decide that breeding intelligent bugs is becoming too much of a headache -- so we can either try to do our best to get off the planet before it loses its patience, or we can try to live as cave-dwellers and pray for the best. Now if history is any guide, I'm pretty sure there'll be a segment of society that does it's best to make the decisions about who does and doesn't end up living off of trail-mix -- and who does or doesn't go off to the ga...well, gotta avoid Godwin's law here, eh?

That said, I'm thinking that we're gonna see some major cooling in the next twenty years. The world is old enough to take care of itself -- like in the past, we'll probably survive most of what's coming thanks to ingenuity and dumb luck. Maybe not all of us, but then, the world has had it's little tantrums that killed off sizable populations before; volcanoes, tsunamis, floods, ice ages, and all the rest, such as meteor impacts.

The best you can do for short term stuff is make sure you've got a boogie-bag, and give some thought and a bit of preparation for dealing with a disaster. Getting overly upset over long term stuff isn't gonna feed your family though, so I'd suggest keeping an eye on things and getting yourself set up as best you can to deal with the problem you can foresee.

But most important, like the HHG2TG says: "Don't Panic!" Because while you might not want to believe it, neither you, nor Al Gore and David Suzuki in a love triangle with some drugged out chic that things she's Mother Gaia, nor all the people of the Earth joining hands and singing kumbaya, can actually save us if the planet decides to take us out. So why worry about it?

Posted by: Trek at May 9, 2008 5:35 AM

Hey Trek..I agree with a bit of what you say, in so much as not worrying about every trendy cause that comes along and I very much take stock in being dubious about what I haven't seen, touched or felt in some way. That is in fact why I support efforts to reduce our use of fossil fuels and technological improvements which make their use less offensive to the environment overall. From the tone of your post, I get the impression you haven't been following my insightful comments on this blog, so I will summarize briefly.

The basis of my opinion is if we are to err, better to err on the side of caution. It is the conservative approach.

I never watched Inconvenient Truth, and I don't read Gore unless someone publishes material related to him that I happen to want to read. What I have seen is the shoreline where I live continuously erode for decades. It is now a serious issue. I hobbled along the beach two days ago to see for myself the damage from this years storm surges and it is significant. The worst I have seen in 5 decades. For ex. One beach front lot close to me lost it's entire frontage and it's 3 ft. sq. cement block seawall lays on the beach in front of it. Another property had its conventional railroad tie wall destroyed and will need to be rebuilt completely. Plus they lost 5 to 6 ft. of earth behind it. I have twice posted links substantiating a 1 to 2 mm per year increase in the height of the ocean which translates into 1.5 metres of lost frontage per mm. This being an increase from .01 to .02 mm in centuries prior to the 20th.

I lived through the winters of the 50's, 60's and 70's and they cannot be compared to the last 2 decades. The most significant aspect being they were relatively predictable. Now, winter starts later and spring comes much earlier. It was 20 degrees here on the east coast two days ago. The ice pack was gone early this year, as it was last year.

These things "I" can see, feel and touch. That I take stock in. It just so happens, this supports Global warming/climate change scientist.

Briefly, I have also lived through the this is bad for you don't eat it syndrome only to have them reverse their claims 10 to 20 years later. Or the this is good for you, eat it syndrome. Only to have them go into reverse 10 to 20 yrs. later. So I take a lot of it with a grain of salt too.

I also find society has a extraordinary tendency to swing from one extreme to the other before finding the middle ground some decades later. So I also bear that in mind.

As far as Santa is concerned, that's isn't a very appropriate analogy. And going about life with one's head stuck in the sand and fingers in one's ears going la la la la, I don't hear you, isn't very practical either. Don't worry, be happy! There are far too many man made and caused, dangers that some would love for you to simply ignore because it's profitable or expedient for them.

If you are not aware, you can't plan for contingencies. This is where I take exception with manipulation and leading the herd mentality. I believe in examining things for there worth, and in the case of some uncertainty, erring on the side of caution if you can. Such is why I support new technologies that will significantly reduce damage done to the environment, the space we humans occupy on this earth and the air we breathe.

One last example. When I was young, wildlife in our area had nearly disappeared. When I went to the woods in the winter to cut firewood it was dead silent. No birds, no deer, barely a rabbit or a partridge left. In the spring there was no fish in the brooks either. This reality extended over a huge portion of my home Province. The reason was man made. Our forests had been sprayed extensively to control the spruce bud worm infestation and to slow it down so our local giant corporation could harvest as much wood as possible. This not only killed the bud worm, but infected just about everything else that was interconnected to the habitat. The birds and the fish ate the bugs and died. The rabbits, deer and moose ate the vegetation and died. I don't know what happened to the Partridge, but they went away. Even the ducks and geese were few in comparison to prior. And the kick a** was that when the bugs were poisoned, the birds that ate bugs died and enough of the bugs survived that they destroyed entire species of trees such as the fir and in the end there was far more damage to the woodlots than if they had left it alone in the first place.

Moral to the story is that man's tinkering with chemicals and other non natural agents can have devastating effects not only to wildlife, but to man too. So be ever vigilant. If not us, then who?

Hugger

The gregmiester says ..The basis of my opinion is if we are to err, better to err on the side of caution. It is the conservative approach......Now, winter starts later and spring comes much earlier. It was 20 degrees here on the east coast two days ago. The ice pack was gone early this year, as it was last year.

These things "I" can see, feel and touch. That I take stock in. It just so happens, this supports Global warming/climate change scientist.

First how is it erring on the cautious side to move mankind in a uncharted,untested direction,embracing biotechnology,nuclear power,and who know what else.

Second nobody is disputing the climate fluctuating,that is obvious since there was 2 miles of ice over my head 10000 years ago. How can you think the world is going to explode because the winters were different when you were a kid,and its been a warm spring where you are.

My best advice to you is to watch the Chicken Little on youtube.

My best advice to you is to watch the Chicken Little on youtube.
Posted by: bob at May 9, 2008 12:30 PM

Do you feel better now bob?

I did you the courtesy of replying to your earlier posts, but your response on nuclear power and biofuels was very telling. I don't need your advice bob. You on the other hand could use a down home heaping helping.

Hugger

History will make one of us a fool Greg. You are riding the wave of the latest hystaria , Do you know how many times this has happened before? There is nothing new here.

"Posted by: Greg G at May 8, 2008 4:10 PM

There have been a number of factual based posts presented even on this blog that contradict just about everything you say, regarding climate change so you wasted your time and the time of everyone who read your drivel.

As for the rest of your childish rant, you certainly display the mentality of your kind very well. I only read bits of your skin head mentality garbage but it was enough to know you need to grow up and stop playing for sympathy. I bet you just impressed the heck out of your Aryan brotherhood buddies with your internet bravado.

Hasta la vista baby!

Hugger"

Go f--k yourself you stupid twit!
You are obviously a legend in your own mind. Your pathetic ad hominem attacks speak for themselves.

A bit of light reading, if you can manage it with your obvious A.D.D.

Church, J.A. and J.M. Gregory. 2001: Changes in sea level, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, pp. 641–693.,UK and New York, NY: Cambridge University Press.

Davis, C. H., et al., 2005. Snowfall-driven growth in East Antarctic ice sheet mitigates recent sea-level rise. Science, 308, 1898-1901.

Wingham, D.J., A. Shepherd, A. Muir, and G.J. Marshall. 2006: Mass balance of the
Antarctic ice sheet. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A, 364, 1627-1635.

And please spare us the details of your noisy clumps through the bush, I remember the spraying very well, they flew two by two in refurbished P-40's. We were taking as many salmon and cariboo as we wished, as well as moose, bear, rabbit and ptarmigan, those years and the years that followed. City f--kers like you are best keeping to fishing for gomgweg, stupid hugger s--t. I'm finished with you!

"gomgog" should be "gomgwej" look it up stupid tree fugger. BTW my son's grandfather was in the camps in Poland, so that's two. If you hear a wizz, that will be the last thing you hear fugger.

Posted by: Greg G at May 10, 2008 4:43 AM

Obviously you don't read well, so I will print clearly these words from above;

"Take your extended flamewars to private email."

So go email your Aryan brotherhood buddies. And quit playing for sympathy, baby. Don't forget to wipe your chin when you take that wizz.

I'll be bock, baby!

The Huggenator