While answering a question last night at the St. Lawrence debate, I mentioned that it’s important for us to realize that there are currently Canadian military officers serving in Iraq as part of the American command. Bob Rae interrupted me to object adamantly, almost angrily. “No there aren’t!”Related: Veteran of Iraq war heads list to succeed HillierYes, I said, there are. “No there aren’t,” Mr. Rae said again. “They’re part of our military exchange program,” I explained. [...] Strangely, Mr. Rae demanded I tell him where in Iraq our officers were stationed, as if my inability to do so would prove they weren’t there.
At that point, seeing no immediate resolution to our disagreement, I moved on with the rest of my answer. Today, however, having confirmed that I was correct, I’m quite taken aback that Mr. Rae could have been so misinformed about our military’s exchange program with the United States and our direct involvement in the war in Iraq. It’s made worse by the fact that Mr. Rae isn’t just any Liberal candidate: he’s the party’s foreign affairs critic.
(h/t Maz2 in the comments.)
But I will bet that Rae is ready to believe that there are soldiers, in our cities, with guns.
Posted by: shaken at April 16, 2008 12:23 PMShaken, you read my mind. Rae is unbelievable, actually pathetic.(very)
Posted by: MaryM at April 16, 2008 12:24 PMMaybe they were enjoying their unpaid "Rea-days" left over from his destruction of Ontario.
Posted by: Warwick at April 16, 2008 12:38 PMtesting
Posted by: dinosaur at April 16, 2008 12:40 PMDepartment of peace? Because that will solve everything. Hey maybe we could call it something like... The United Nations. That should solve everything.
http://www.nd.edu/~dlindley/govt491/DeadTutsisinRwanda.jpg
Posted by: Zip at April 16, 2008 12:44 PMBoob Rae is clearly unhinged, mentally-disordered, delusional. A mirror image of Taliban Jack Layton.
Perfect for the Liberal leadership. Hope he replaces Dion. He'd be another dream candidate, at least for the Conservatives.
Maybe the Islamic radicals in the Liberal Party will again act to keep Scary Iggy out of the captain's chair and ensure that a delusional dhimmi progressive idiot remains in the position.
Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at April 16, 2008 12:44 PMDepartment of peace! Is that out of 1984 or what?
Posted by: dinosaur at April 16, 2008 12:44 PMDepartment of peace? Hey maybe we could call it something like... The United Nations. That should solve everything!
http://www.nd.edu/~dlindley/govt491/DeadTutsisinRwanda.jpg
Posted by: Zip at April 16, 2008 12:44 PMWarwick: Or maybe they've been working on a top-secret Rae-Gun.
Posted by: Richard Ball at April 16, 2008 12:45 PMHilarious to watch the media tout rae as a saviour for the liberals. This guy managed to make his own party stalwarts and supporters hate him and many still spit on the floor every time his name gets mentioned. (Damn, there goes that song...)
He had one chance at power and handled it miserably.
Chris Tindal vs. Bob Rae? Tool vs. tool, more like.
Posted by: Frozen Tex at April 16, 2008 12:53 PMBoob Rae is only trying to save Power Corporations long reign over Canada via their ownership of the Liberal Party.
Long Live the Liberal Party of Toronto. May it's disconnection from the rest of Canada soon be totally complete.
Posted by: Fred at April 16, 2008 1:00 PMBoth of those Bozos are unfrigginbeleivable.
This is what passes for serious candidates for political office???
The fact that Rae is so completely uninformed should come as no surprise. His entire career has been based on mouthing platitudes and repeating the talking points of leftards.
He is no brighter than Dion and only a bit better at remembering NOT to adlib when put under the spotlight.
Darned knuckle draggers are ruining our military too.
Posted by: Sounder at April 16, 2008 1:10 PMHard to believe that anybody, even in Liberal Toronto, could re-elect that idiot. At least Chris Tindal had his facts straight. Nothing could illustrate Rae's character more clearly than his arrogant posturing and absolute and stupid conviction that he is right.
Posted by: Belisarius at April 16, 2008 1:14 PM"If Svend Robinson's foray had been a solitary event, it might have been possible to brush it off as yet another escapade from a histrionic crank. But he is the foreign affairs critic of the New Democratic Party. "
Bob Rae
" It’s made worse by the fact that Mr. Rae isn’t just any Liberal candidate: he’s the party’s foreign affairs critic."
Chris Tindall
Who says Univerity edumacation from Oxford in England isn't worth anything?
This; "a histrionic crank" is what an education at Oxford allows you to bring to the high debate, at the Rosedale socialist club in Toronto's tonyest gated communities.
"A pity da fools!"
Mr T
Posted by: richfisher at April 16, 2008 1:15 PM
Why does the combination of ignorance and arrogance seem to be a purely Liberal trait?
Posted by: grok at April 16, 2008 1:21 PMNothing new from Rae ... he couldn't F&^%$$ count dollars when he was busy burying Ontario in debt , so why should he become informed about the military !
Leftist elites always have a strong opinion even when they have no knowledge.
Posted by: Brian at April 16, 2008 1:37 PMOn viewing this clip, I have to say Chris Tindal might be slightly better informed on troop dispositions than cranky old Uncle Bob, but Department of PEACE? W. T. F?!!!!
Has this punk never read 1984? Does he not realize what a complete incompetent he is? He just came right out and admitted he has no friggin' idea what the purpose of government is.
The Dept. of -Defense- is there to -defend- Canada. Its purpose is to keep us safe, and that is why we pay for it. Its purpose is not to go and impose "peace" in the big wide world, that's the exact thing Tindal is against the US doing. That's why its called the DEFENSE Department.
Plus, what fantasy is it that renaming a department changes what it does? Should we give them pink uniforms with bunnies on them, so when they shoot some head chopper in Afghanistan it will be more "peaceful"? Maybe engrave "Have a great day!" on every bullet? I'm sure there's some Green Party/NDP/Liberal buffoon who'd applaud for that too.
You can't make fun of these people any more. Its impossible!
Chris, baby. 1984, George Orwell. Its a dystopian vision of a hellish nightmare, NOT A POLICY MANUAL.
Posted by: The Phantom at April 16, 2008 1:39 PMNothing much to add to the comments about Rae...he's all that and worse.
At this point even tho I don't agree with the Green Party policies I am impressed with Tindal; he knows his stuff , is very articulate and deserves respect for the way he has handled the condescending arrogance of Rae.
I saw this last month and was waiting for it to be covered in the MSM...silly me!Do we have to say it AGAIN?: Why did MSM not pick up on Rae's blatant error, especially considering he is the Libs foreign affairs critic. Rae must think 'foreign affairs' refers to Who is sleeping with Who in Europe.
Guess it was much worse when (was it Day?) a CPC'er had the direction of the Niagara River wrong...cause yeah, that's going to affect policies,right?
Delightful birthday present that Bob Rae is on point and leading the charge for LIEberal foreign affairs.
What other deployments if Bob Rae unaware of?
The Dept of Peace is usually known as the UN; but they haven't had such a great track record lately.
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP
Commander in Chief
Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
You could imagine the conversation that might have happened afterwards between Rae and DoD staff:
Rae: Why wasn't I informed of this?! What wasn't I told where the troops are?!
DoD: Because you're on the other side!
Used to be the Department of War. Then Defence. I guess "Peace" would be the next logical euphamism. Though up here I suppose they'd have to call it the "Ministry of Peace," which would jibe very nicely with the 1984 reference.
Reminds me of a story. Churchill and Truman were talking about the eagle symbol of the presidential seal. The head of the eagle used to face the arrows, and it was changed to face the olive branch. Churchill said, "Put it on a swivel."
Posted by: Sean at April 16, 2008 1:52 PM"That's why its called the DEFENSE Department." .. The Phantom
Well they'll soon fix that, won't they. Just wait till the leftards find out what a City Supervisor said in San Fransisco, that being America should have no military at all. OOOOHHH, more $$$$ for Social Engineering. Is there a diploma in that field? Just wonderin'.
Posted by: Sounder at April 16, 2008 1:54 PMTindal can have his Dept. of Peace, if the rest of us can have a Dept. of WAR!
Posted by: Frozen Tex at April 16, 2008 1:57 PMAt least when he was MP for Broadview-Greenwood, Silver Spoon was mildly amusing. I'm sure we're all still in stitches over his anti-religious bigotry, particularly his habitual use of "Calvinist" as a pejorative term for conservatives.
Now he apparently sees Trudeauesque ignorance and arrogance as the shining path to becoming Prime Minister. Minor facts such as whether Canadian soldiers serve with American forces in Iraq are irrelevant. He knows what we need better than we do. He has seen the future.
The Left never changes its spots.
Posted by: Charles MacDonald at April 16, 2008 1:59 PMThe Dept. of Peace should be given a trial run in Caledonia. Once they've ended the lawlessness and established peace, they can set up as a full-blown dept.
Posted by: Richard Ball at April 16, 2008 1:59 PM"Dept. of Peace"
You may want to call Germany; where you sent away for your Political Party In A Box starter kit, and make sure you didn't missuderestimate that one.
Posted by: richfisher at April 16, 2008 2:04 PMBob Rae was, is and always will be a priveledged moron. I, along with many others, suffered through his term as premier of Ontario. When he was finally done destroying the finances of the province he held on right to the very end (reminds me of Mugabe).
Just when I thought I'd heard the last of him, he comes back again like a bad smell. The people of Toronto Centre - Rosedale who elected him are largely very well off and don't need to worry about the damage he will do if he becomes PM.
And why is it that those who are wealthy and/or priviledged are the ones who get all the airplay and tell us where our money should be spent and how and on who? (I'm thinking Bono or Bozo from U2)
Posted by: Brian M. at April 16, 2008 2:07 PMWhen Greens and Liberals and NDP are kicking the shit out of each other...wow, I must be in heaven. I guess this is how the Liberals felt when there were two Conservative parties.
Posted by: Darrell at April 16, 2008 2:21 PMUmmm, Chris? There is a reason that only the Green Party has suggested a Dept of Peace.
It's toopid.
Posted by: AtlanticJim at April 16, 2008 2:29 PMAnd jess a little clarification for ol Chris, Canada has never had a Dept of War.
Posted by: AtlanticJim at April 16, 2008 2:35 PMListening to Tindal, I realise how the 'old folks'
felt when I ran around with flowers in my hair singing "Give Peace a Chance"
I did not inhale.
That was tragic to watch ... Red on Red.
Posted by: Paul at April 16, 2008 2:35 PMI could live with a Department of Pieces ... goes with my War Mongering side.
Posted by: Paul at April 16, 2008 2:38 PMBob Rae is just trying to raise himself "up" to the same compitency level as Dion.
Birds of a feather!
Yup. The Department of Peace. Brings to mind the novel 1984, where words mean the opposite of what we think. Who woulda thunk the Greens think like Big Brother? /sarcasm
Posted by: Louise at April 16, 2008 3:10 PMPerhaps the "Department of Peace" is an apt name after all. Given the current world affairs and the apparent course that the world is on, it would be an appropriate short-form for the "Department of (the Religion of) Peace".
Posted by: Eeyore at April 16, 2008 3:10 PMDepartment of Peace? Isn't that what DFAIT and CIDA are for?
Keep yer mitts off our Death Techs.
Posted by: Damian at April 16, 2008 3:20 PMi skipped every comment just to say bob ray classifd me as rich when he was the head man in ontariooooo. what an ass hat. this proves that i am the only true conservative alive in canada.i am a very lonely man.
Posted by: old white guy at April 16, 2008 4:12 PMcan anyone talk about what is really happening in our country ? you all should read america alone.
Posted by: old white guy at April 16, 2008 4:20 PMWhat I'd like to know is how these people get stage time, air time, press coverage and are still taking a salary out of this country. We are supposed to pay more money to attract the best and the brightest to govern us and somehow we continually get stuck with this show of intelligence. "Department of Peace" what's next the "Illegal Alien Registration Department" or how about the "Canadian Unsecure and Moronic Service" if that is the mindset of the intelligensia that propose to lead this country, then maybe it's time to roll out Madame Guillotine and have another revolution, God knows we can't wait for these people to nominate themselves for a Darwin Award.
Posted by: Antenor at April 16, 2008 4:35 PMStrangely enough I remember an interview on the Fifth Estate with Ann Coulter. Reporter Bob Mckeown smugly informed Ann that no Canadians had ever served with the US military in Vietnam. Even though Ann said she had proof he still adamantly rebuked her claim. As it was Canadians did serve with the US military in Vietnam. http://www.vwam.com/vets/allies/canadians.html is but one example of the many Canadians who served overseas with the US and many were heroes...but yes of course Liberals and by default the CBC dislike heroes...gives people hope I suppose.
Posted by: Scot at April 16, 2008 4:37 PMThe Department of Peace?
Next the leftards will want to call Environment, 'The Ministry of Climate Change.' Finance, 'The Ministry of Donations.'
Posted by: irwin daisy at April 16, 2008 5:00 PMoff for. man canadians are stupid. we don't need capital letters for this.
Posted by: old white guy at April 16, 2008 5:37 PMi'am not sure what the last post was about. i guess i need more beer. possibly pilsner.
Posted by: old white guy at April 16, 2008 5:40 PMAlex Jones has been for years making puplic large amounts of the misinformation being fed the general public while their rights are being trampled upon. google Matrix of Evil or TerrorStorm by Alex Jones
Posted by: What did Edgar say at April 16, 2008 6:20 PMAs a matter of fact, Canadian Forces personnel on exchange with both US and British forces have served in Iraq, and are serving as I write.
They were serving even as Prime Minister Chrétien was proudly declining to involve Canada in Iraq.
Posted by: JJM at April 16, 2008 6:45 PMWhat I saw and heard were two individuals suffering from cerebral necrosis – one severely (you can decide which one) – and a cheering section, also suffering from this terrible malady.
Posted by: Mike T at April 16, 2008 7:51 PMThe only thing scarier than listening to that Tindal idiot yammering about the "Department of Peace" was hearing the boneheads in the audience clapping for it. In the words of a famous parliamentarian: "I want my Canada back!"
Phantom at 1:54. Social Engineering diploma? Yeah, there's so many of those folks around, there must be a leftard university somewhere that issues them. Oh, wait, they're all leftard universities and there's an infinity of different social engineering diplomas.
Posted by: felis corpulentis at April 16, 2008 10:00 PMDepartment of Transport=Department of Analysis of non-Stationary Options?
Mark
Ottawa
You heard it hear first, Rae will no doubt be the Prime Minister, probably sooner rather than later. He will lead a minority Libtard gov't, with the complete approval and acquiesence of the NDP(Non Democratic Party). He may well end up being the last PM of this country, as we know it, but rock bottom we must hit, and hit it we will.
Posted by: Jim N at April 16, 2008 11:39 PMAs a matter of fact, Canadian Forces personnel on exchange with both US and British forces have served in Iraq, and are serving as I write.
A fact which was highlighted in an SDA post not one week ago.
Posted by: Damian at April 17, 2008 12:00 AM"A fact which was highlighted in an SDA post not one week ago."
Indeed. But I thought it was worth mentioning that our exchange personnel with the Brits are also serving in Iraq too.
Posted by: JJM at April 17, 2008 7:41 AMThat was from the Toronto-Centre by-election.
Anyway, Chris Tindal is also a defendant in an online libel case, where the plaintiff is, once again, Wayne Crookes. The case is Crookes v. Geist et al.
Chris is being sued for libel for writing a piece about the OpenPolitica case called "The Silliness of Suing a Wiki."
I'd link to it, but you know what can happen...
Posted by: Mark Francis at April 19, 2008 5:14 PM